| daskReech | Nightrose: Great shirt! | 00:23 |
|---|---|---|
| Nightrose | hehe thanks | 00:23 |
| daskReech | (He says as they stand in front of a shop selling shirts) | 00:24 |
| Nightrose | :P | 00:24 |
| daskReech | Which reminds me. | 00:24 |
| * daskReech sighs | 00:24 | |
| daskReech | Man KDE is going to turn me into shirt wearing billboard whore | 00:25 |
| Nightrose | rofl | 00:25 |
| daskReech | Akonadi has a great T-Shirt! | 00:25 |
| Nightrose | ohhh where? | 00:25 |
| daskReech | Haven't seen it? | 00:26 |
| Nightrose | nope - i am still catching up after fosscamp | 00:26 |
| Nightrose | not read planets and stuff yet | 00:26 |
| Nightrose | i am at emails right now ;-) - rss feeds after that | 00:26 |
| daskReech | http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2008/05/voodoo-that-we-do.html | 00:27 |
| Nightrose | thx | 00:27 |
| Nightrose | sweetness | 00:27 |
| daskReech | yes it is | 00:27 |
| daskReech | I just need a Amarok T-Shirt with Glow in the dark wolf to top it now | 00:28 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 00:28 |
| daskReech | Man I miss Akregator | 00:32 |
| Jucato | why not use akregator? | 00:33 |
| daskReech | hasn't been ported as stable yet | 00:34 |
| daskReech | I could compile I guess | 00:35 |
| Jucato | works ok here | 00:35 |
| daskReech | You are running trunk :-P | 00:35 |
| Jucato | yeah | 00:36 |
| daskReech | :-p | 00:41 |
| daskReech | how is it :( | 00:43 |
| Jucato | until yesterday, there was a khtml bug that made akregator annoying to use. now it's less annoying (but still some problems) | 00:43 |
| daskReech | Wht's it? | 00:44 |
| Jucato | some rendering problem. kinda hard to explain. the thing to know is that it seems to be gone now :) | 00:44 |
| daskReech | With Forms? | 00:46 |
| daskReech | Forms have been giving me hell on 4.0.4 | 00:46 |
| Nightrose | daskReech: i am working on that | 00:46 |
| Nightrose | just had no time due to fosscamp | 00:46 |
| Nightrose | but it is on my todo list | 00:46 |
| Jucato | no, plain rendering in the preview pane | 00:46 |
| daskReech | I know | 00:46 |
| daskReech | Qt 4.4 regression | 00:47 |
| Nightrose | ok ;-) | 00:47 |
| Nightrose | yea | 00:47 |
| daskReech | hmm | 00:47 |
| daskReech | what's the name of the Webkit test browser I eep hearing about? | 00:47 |
| Jucato | Arora? | 00:47 |
| daskReech | ahok Never heard it called by name | 00:48 |
| Jucato | well I think that's separate from the QtWebKit demo that comes with Qt 4 (if you compile it with demos) | 00:50 |
| daskReech | yeah I know | 00:50 |
| * daskReech still isn't fond of Webkit until it has invoked access keys | 00:50 | |
| Jucato | so what do you "not" know :) | 00:51 |
| daskReech | oh right | 00:52 |
| daskReech | seele: ping | 00:52 |
| daskReech | I don't know if the categorized view in Doplhin has plans to be collapsble | 00:52 |
| Nightrose | daskReech: i doubt she is awake - she was pretty tired when she arrived | 00:52 |
| daskReech | aww ok well I'll feel out what the users think then :) | 00:54 |
| daskReech | Anyonehas thoughts on tabs in System settings ? | 00:54 |
| daskReech | Jucato: BTW I hear teh keyboard works in it now! Wohoo!!! | 00:55 |
| Jucato | it does | 00:55 |
| daskReech | sweet that's one of three things i want to see fixed down | 00:57 |
| daskReech | Jucato: Don't suppose search eliminates non matches ? | 01:01 |
| Jucato | of course it does | 01:01 |
| daskReech | really? | 01:02 |
| daskReech | not just grey them out ? | 01:02 |
| Jucato | it doesn't show how many "hits" in General and Advanced though | 01:02 |
| Jucato | yeah. as in non-matches go poof | 01:02 |
| daskReech | Serious? that's two :) | 01:02 |
| daskReech | So the only other thing is to have it merge general and adavnced now | 01:02 |
| daskReech | Since if you are searching you should have an idea of what you want but not where | 01:03 |
| daskReech | so it doesn't make sense to have them split like that | 01:03 |
| Jucato | don't hold your breath | 01:04 |
| daskReech | people are opposed to that? | 01:07 |
| daskReech | Jucato: Hey do you know anything about Hardy booting to a black screen intermittenly ? | 01:16 |
| jjesse | evening | 01:20 |
| daskReech | hey jjesse | 01:21 |
| jjesse | hello daskReech | 01:21 |
| Jucato | daskReech: no I don't know anything | 01:21 |
| daskReech | How are you? | 01:21 |
| jjesse | daskReech: doing well, just got back from my wifes first baby shower | 01:22 |
| jjesse | lots of loot | 01:22 |
| daskReech | Whoot :) | 01:22 |
| jjesse | totally | 01:22 |
| jjesse | morning Jucato | 01:22 |
| Jucato | good evening jjesse! | 01:22 |
| jjesse | how are you Jucato | 01:23 |
| Jucato | good good. and you? :) | 01:23 |
| Jucato | which country/state are you in right now? :D | 01:23 |
| jjesse | good, busy getting ready for baby | 01:23 |
| jjesse | i'm at home, michigan united states | 01:23 |
| Jucato | ah hehe :) | 01:24 |
| Jucato | good good :) | 01:24 |
| jjesse | i have one week in columbus ohio last week of may and then i'm home for 2 months due to baby arriving in june | 01:24 |
| Jucato | woot!! new kubuntu baby!! :) | 01:24 |
| jjesse | totally | 01:24 |
| jjesse | did i not tell everyone? | 01:24 |
| Jucato | :D | 01:24 |
| jjesse | sorry bout that | 01:24 |
| Jucato | well I didn't know. like I said, I know nothing :) | 01:25 |
| jjesse | i thought i posted that when i turned down uds-prague | 01:25 |
| Jucato | the others might have a clue :D | 01:25 |
| jjesse | wife didn't want me on the other side of th world w/ only 5 weeks to go | 01:25 |
| daskReech | awwwww that's thoughtful :) | 01:25 |
| jjesse | hope fully will make it to uds-intrepid+1 | 01:25 |
| Jucato | oh I haven't been reading planet ubuntu much lately | 01:25 |
| jjesse | Jucato: it was a copule of months ago | 01:26 |
| daskReech | Jumping jackalope ? | 01:26 |
| Jucato | oh? | 01:26 |
| jjesse | daskReech: beat me to it, was just thinking the same | 01:26 |
| daskReech | jjesse: I'll come up with something better soon But I like jumping jackalope :) | 01:27 |
| jjesse | +1 for me | 01:27 |
| Jucato | jjesse: " I did recently receive my nomination to be included as part of UDS-Intrepid, the next Ubuntu Developer Summit in Prague Czech Republic. As I can’t attend due to family reasons, I noticed the link for the next summit is up already." | 01:27 |
| jjesse | ah i didn't say what family reasons | 01:27 |
| Jucato | :D | 01:27 |
| jjesse | are they doing the gobby sessions and ip phone stuff for uds-intrepid? i've seen no announcemnts on that | 01:28 |
| * daskReech pulls up his kobby mailing list | 01:29 | |
| daskReech | I should really do some wiking on this | 01:29 |
| jjesse | kobby? | 01:29 |
| jjesse | a qt version of gobby? | 01:29 |
| daskReech | Nope | 01:30 |
| daskReech | A billion times better | 01:30 |
| jjesse | yeah? | 01:30 |
| daskReech | Yeah :-) | 01:31 |
| daskReech | soon as it's coded | 01:31 |
| Jucato | a.k.a. doesn't exist yet? :) | 01:31 |
| Jucato | see? :P | 01:31 |
| daskReech | Jucato: you are wise beyond your years | 01:31 |
| Jucato | yes.. beyond my ears | 01:32 |
| daskReech | jjesse: The idea is it's a framework | 01:32 |
| daskReech | so any document minded app can enable it | 01:32 |
| jjesse | cool | 01:32 |
| daskReech | works with decibel so you can chat in say kate | 01:32 |
| * Jucato believes he has read a GSoC proposal like that... or something | 01:32 | |
| daskReech | yeah :) | 01:32 |
| daskReech | andreas is the head | 01:32 |
| daskReech | jjesse: But you can collaborate with say kate and Kdevlop | 01:33 |
| daskReech | Or kwrite and kword | 01:33 |
| daskReech | or..... | 01:33 |
| daskReech | between two krita | 01:33 |
| jjesse | googling right now | 01:33 |
| daskReech | or two karbon 14 | 01:33 |
| daskReech | KollaborationFrame | 01:34 |
| jjesse | daskReech: are you a GSoC? | 01:34 |
| daskReech | no I was working on this from before | 01:34 |
| Jucato | I doubt he's even pseudocode :) | 01:34 |
| Jucato | much less summer of code :) | 01:34 |
| daskReech | but quite a few people submitted to GSoC | 01:35 |
| daskReech | honestly it happens every year | 01:35 |
| daskReech | Now there is a much better project for it to fall under | 01:35 |
| daskReech | and we try and keep all intrested parties involved or at least updated | 01:36 |
| daskReech | which is how the krita guys came in | 01:36 |
| daskReech | I dn't think any of us were thinking about a paint progam for collab | 01:37 |
| daskReech | And we have Gnome people contributing as well | 01:37 |
| daskReech | so it's a lot of ideas being thrashed | 01:37 |
| jjesse | cool, nice to see so much collab | 01:37 |
| Jucato | make it an FD.o shit | 01:37 |
| Jucato | er.. s/shit/thing/ | 01:37 |
| daskReech | Exactly | 01:37 |
| Jucato | sorry | 01:38 |
| daskReech | i want to have a lightweight server in each app which can be flicked on with a toolbar button | 01:39 |
| daskReech | as opposed to the Gobby scenario where you must have a heavy server | 01:40 |
| daskReech | there are very useful scenarios for the heavy server though (persistence, confrences) so that's obvioulsy going to be done as well | 01:40 |
| jjesse | seems very ambitious | 01:41 |
| daskReech | that's why we ar starting with kobby :) | 01:41 |
| daskReech | but keeping all the players in the loop | 01:41 |
| Jucato | very :) | 01:41 |
| daskReech | Koffice is very interested | 01:42 |
| Jucato | hope it works | 01:42 |
| daskReech | Kdevelop would love this too | 01:42 |
| daskReech | they actually have a collaborative framework already in code | 01:42 |
| Jucato | dude... any app would love it :) | 01:42 |
| Jucato | (except for klipper...) | 01:42 |
| daskReech | Jucato: But with KDE they can all share code :-) and implement it trivially | 01:42 |
| daskReech | I love KDE :) | 01:42 |
| daskReech | kgpg ? | 01:43 |
| * Jucato loves GNOME | 01:43 | |
| Jucato | it's the GNU Network Object Model Environment!! what's not to love about that! | 01:43 |
| daskReech | the object section | 01:44 |
| Jucato | huh what? | 01:44 |
| daskReech | :-) | 01:45 |
| daskReech | at least you don't like Windows | 01:45 |
| Jucato | KDE should be KODE, the Kool Object Desktop Environment | 01:45 |
| Jucato | says who? | 01:45 |
| * daskReech crowds in a corner and looks at nixternal | 01:45 | |
| jjesse | what is networkable about GNOME? | 01:45 |
| Jucato | I'm with nixternal | 01:45 |
| Jucato | jjesse: the browser | 01:45 |
| Jucato | :) | 01:45 |
| daskReech | Gobby! :) | 01:45 |
| Jucato | Epiphany ftw!! | 01:45 |
| daskReech | though.. I should stop using gtk = GNOME | 01:46 |
| Jucato | indeed | 01:46 |
| daskReech | Oh other ting I was wondering | 01:46 |
| daskReech | well two things | 01:46 |
| daskReech | is anyone going to pick up Qtparted? | 01:47 |
| daskReech | gparted is pretty much dead | 01:47 |
| jjesse | i've used GNOME, just doesn't do things the way i want it to | 01:47 |
| jjesse | gparted is dead? i love gparted | 01:47 |
| daskReech | lets say stalled | 01:47 |
| daskReech | no devs on the project | 01:47 |
| jjesse | that bootable cd has saved my a$$ | 01:47 |
| daskReech | I know | 01:47 |
| * Jucato actually uses the Ubuntu CD whenever he needs to partition :) | 01:47 | |
| daskReech | well most bootable CDs focused on some job use Gtk as the basis. Why wouldn't a KDE environment be better for a Live Cd? | 01:48 |
| daskReech | would it make sense to have some scripts that allowed you to build a KDE live Cd in a failry trivial manner ? | 01:48 |
| daskReech | that's aside from the qtParted question. I just really think that we should have a fairly robust native Disk management section for System Settigns | 01:49 |
| * Nightrose pokes jjesse | 01:49 | |
| daskReech | and since Gparted is stalled probably a call to move Qtparted up in the visibilty of really cool apps ? | 01:50 |
| daskReech | Jucato: I went into #compiz-fusion and asked if there was a replacement for Korroa and they told me Ubuntu hardy :0 | 01:50 |
| Jucato | :D | 01:51 |
| Jucato | I would have thought they would say Sabayon | 01:51 |
| daskReech | I went into ##apple to ask something about disk management using Leopard and they asked me why would I do that? Get a Ubuntu cd and manage it then reboot into mac OSX | 01:53 |
| Jucato | lol | 01:53 |
| Jucato | very Linux-friendly | 01:53 |
| Jucato | or should I say, "Ubuntu-friendly" | 01:53 |
| daskReech | I know! It's like the answer to all problems in all channels is well Ubuntu can do that | 01:54 |
| daskReech | The live CD thing is kinda bugging me though | 01:54 |
| jjesse | why can i never get my kubuntu vm in windows to never be the right screen size | 01:55 |
| jjesse | very frustrating | 01:55 |
| jjesse | the "auto-fit" doesn't seem to work as it does with windows | 01:55 |
| * Jucato is going to try andLinux one of these days | 01:56 | |
| daskReech | #magiclinux | 01:58 |
| jjesse | i've been playing with SuSE Enterprise Linux for a bit now | 01:58 |
| jjesse | pretty nice, but can't get my wireless card to work | 01:58 |
| daskReech | You know what? I can't get kdesudo to work | 02:05 |
| daskReech | it will never find the command I pass to it | 02:05 |
| jjesse | thats a bummer | 02:07 |
| daskReech | I'll see if it's a general kde4 bug | 02:10 |
| Jucato | (there's no kdesudo in kde4 ;) | 02:11 |
| jjesse | what? | 02:11 |
| * Jucato is hinting that kdesudo is a Kubuntu thing :) | 02:11 | |
| jjesse | ah | 02:11 |
| Jucato | :D | 02:11 |
| daskReech | Jucato: I know I meant I don't know if it works in KDE3 on hardy | 02:14 |
| daskReech | but I seem to have hit a few people in #kubuntu-kde4 who get the same thing | 02:14 |
| Jucato | gotta love kdesudo :) | 02:14 |
| jjesse | daskReech: like trying to run kcmshell4 stuff with kdesude | 02:15 |
| jjesse | kdesudo | 02:15 |
| daskReech | jjesse: Hmm? | 02:16 |
| daskReech | kdesudo * fails | 02:16 |
| jjesse | i've given up configuing network shares through system settings | 02:16 |
| daskReech | anything you put there will not be found | 02:16 |
| daskReech | hmm let me try full paths | 02:17 |
| jjesse | epic fail | 02:17 |
| jjesse | i've bugged it on bugs.kde.org | 02:18 |
| jjesse | dont remember the last comment | 02:18 |
| Jucato | one day I'm going to write an epic.... and title it "Fail" | 02:18 |
| jjesse | probally was compile it from trunk | 02:18 |
| daskReech | Ha ha KDE4 apps are not in the path | 02:18 |
| daskReech | Course that's nearly all the GUI apps I have | 02:19 |
| Jucato | hm... | 02:19 |
| Jucato | shouldn't you be feeding it with the *-kde4 counterpart that's in /usr/bin? | 02:19 |
| jjesse | daskReech: bug 160123 on bugs.kde.org | 02:20 |
| daskReech | feeding what? | 02:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 160123 in compiz "[gutsy] Screen flickering when playing videos" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160123 | 02:20 |
| Jucato | feedking kdesudo | 02:20 |
| jjesse | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160123 | 02:20 |
| daskReech | probably | 02:20 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 160123 in general "In system settings with Samba installed, click on Samba under System section crashes" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 02:20 |
| Jucato | I've been seeing people recommending running the binary direct from the kde4 directory (it's /usr/lib/kde4 right?) | 02:20 |
| daskReech | Jucato: Yeah that works | 02:20 |
| daskReech | I tried to think of a non KDE gui app I have | 02:21 |
| daskReech | \o/ xeyes | 02:21 |
| daskReech | kdesudo xeyes works | 02:21 |
| daskReech | kdesudo systemsettings doesn't | 02:21 |
| Jucato | I think the problem would be that the direct path doesn't set the correct variables that the *-kde4 script in /usr/bin/ does | 02:21 |
| daskReech | Right | 02:21 |
| Jucato | kdesudo systemsettings-kde4? | 02:21 |
| daskReech | so I have the eyes of root following me now | 02:21 |
| daskReech | Jucato: Nope | 02:21 |
| daskReech | jsut systemsettings | 02:21 |
| Jucato | that would run the kde3 systemsettings wouldn't it? | 02:22 |
| daskReech | I have no KDE3 libs at all on my computer | 02:22 |
| daskReech | X and KDE4 libs | 02:22 |
| daskReech | that is all | 02:22 |
| jjesse | ok off to walk my dog | 02:22 |
| Jucato | ah | 02:22 |
| Jucato | bye jjesse | 02:23 |
| daskReech | Jucato: remember the Pure KDE4 discussion? | 02:23 |
| daskReech | and me missing Bsket? | 02:23 |
| Jucato | yeah | 02:23 |
| daskReech | Well I do it sucks But I miss akregator as well | 02:23 |
| daskReech | Mynd helps with basket but ... | 02:23 |
| seele | daskReech: pong | 02:45 |
| seele | hmm.. i should try to sleep for a few more hours | 02:45 |
| Jucato | seele: go!! daskReech is not that important to lose sleep over :) | 02:46 |
| daskReech | seele: sleep I'll talk to you in the future | 02:47 |
| daskReech | Jucato: Ah another bug that irritated me. Can Gwenview save now? | 02:51 |
| Jucato | save? | 02:51 |
| seele | daskReech: you mean Save As? | 02:52 |
| Jucato | gwenview has one of the purtiest UI's :) | 02:52 |
| daskReech | Yeah | 02:54 |
| daskReech | seele: Sleep! I'll be tempted to talk to you if you hang around here | 02:54 |
| Jucato | nope. it can't | 02:55 |
| Jucato | weird :) | 02:55 |
| daskReech | so whats a pretty thing like you hanging around a place like this for anyway? ;-) | 02:55 |
| daskReech | grrrr | 02:55 |
| daskReech | Jucato: Bugging you again :) | 03:41 |
| daskReech | can you mousewheel in File Selecor dialogs? | 03:41 |
| Jucato | daskReech: open/save file dialogs? | 03:42 |
| Jucato | mousewheel in what sense? | 03:44 |
| daskReech | When I mousewheel in the dialog it doesn't scroll through the contents I have to use the scroll bar | 03:47 |
| daskReech | nothing else makes it move | 03:47 |
| === kewark is now known as krawek | ||
| nixternal | quit talking about me when I am not around :p | 04:13 |
| daskReech | Jucato_: You hear someone? sounds like someone was typing | 04:15 |
| daskReech | Jucato_: Hey loooked who popped up in #kubuntu | 04:46 |
| === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato | ||
| Jucato | daskReech: ping | 04:47 |
| daskReech | Jucato: pong | 04:48 |
| Jucato | do you mean the selection doesn't move from 1 item to another or the whole view doesn't scroll down/up? | 04:48 |
| daskReech | Nothing moves when I mouse whell | 04:49 |
| daskReech | eel | 04:49 |
| daskReech | wheel | 04:49 |
| Jucato | eel | 04:49 |
| Jucato | moves here. I set the view to be detailed view so that I have unseen items, then I mouse wheel to scroll up/down | 04:50 |
| daskReech | hmm let me try that | 04:50 |
| daskReech | Jucato: mm I guess looking at it like that it makes sense | 04:51 |
| daskReech | F6 won't scroll but F7 will | 04:51 |
| Jucato | it scrolls here (sideways) | 04:52 |
| daskReech | Hmm | 04:52 |
| daskReech | doesn't here | 04:52 |
| Jucato | so might be fixed in trunk | 04:52 |
| Jucato | if there's nothing else, we can start talking about nixternal while he's not here | 04:53 |
| nixternal | I am here | 04:53 |
| Jucato | ok stopping :) | 04:53 |
| nixternal | talking in another channel about good ol' navy times :p | 04:53 |
| Jucato | hahah | 04:53 |
| Jucato | in the navy!! | 04:53 |
| Jucato | isn't there a song like that? YMCA song? | 04:53 |
| daskReech | One of those descriptions is a lie!!! | 04:53 |
| daskReech | Yeah | 04:53 |
| Jucato | er.. village people I mean | 04:54 |
| daskReech | nixternal dresses up for it all the time | 04:54 |
| nixternal | my uniforms wouldn't fit me if I tried | 04:54 |
| Jucato | I can only imagine :) | 04:54 |
| Jucato | you must be *very* small back then if that's the case :) | 04:54 |
| Jucato | er no.. *very* normal (size) | 04:54 |
| Jucato | btw, tron guy went to UDS? | 04:55 |
| Jucato | is that the same tron guy you posed with? | 04:55 |
| daskReech | :-) | 04:55 |
| Jucato | oh crap this "Restore Session?" dialog box is annoying me! | 04:55 |
| nixternal | Jucato: yes...jono was at penguicon too | 04:55 |
| Jucato | but I don't want to disable it because, knowing konq, I won't be able to get it back when I need it | 04:56 |
| nixternal | we were the drunk crowd | 04:56 |
| nixternal | me, jorge, jono, and the entire michigan loco were stupid drunk 99.9% of the time | 04:56 |
| nixternal | I wish I had video of jorge on that friday night....me, jono, and mako laughed so damn hard we about we ourselves | 04:57 |
| Jucato | :D | 04:57 |
| Jucato | we about we ourselves? :) | 04:57 |
| daskReech | wii | 04:57 |
| Jucato | I thought so :) | 04:57 |
| * Jucato thinks someone's still drunk :D | 04:57 | |
| nixternal | wet | 04:57 |
| Jucato | aaaah | 04:57 |
| Jucato | wee as in pee :) | 04:57 |
| nixternal | I wish jono would post the pics he has of us at penguicon...I know he has one of me standing up on a barstool with my hat sideways rapping to mc hammer or something | 04:58 |
| Jucato | hm... I just love these "Don't show again" dialog boxes.. that really have no way of showing again once you set it... | 04:58 |
| nixternal | and I know he has mako and mika getting rickrolled | 04:58 |
| Jucato | well I still have that pic of you and jorge on my disk | 04:59 |
| Jucato | blackmail material | 04:59 |
| nixternal | hehe, the world has that one | 04:59 |
| Jucato | not easily accessible/discoverable :) | 05:00 |
| * Jucato can make it so, by putting it in his sig in every post he makes to the planets or mailing lists or forums :) | 05:00 | |
| daskReech | Ha ha | 05:04 |
| nixternal | hahahaha | 05:07 |
| nixternal | I can easily make a gimp'd image of ya and post it for the world to see! | 05:08 |
| daskReech | give him big Gnome feet :-) | 05:08 |
| Jucato | nothing beats "the real thing" TM of course :) | 05:08 |
| nixternal | there are a couple of webcam shots of ya, I can easily gimp that in and put you on some live adult chat website :p | 05:08 |
| * Jucato doesn't even have a webcam :) | 05:09 | |
| daskReech | Hmm that might give him a side income while he IRCes | 05:09 |
| Jucato | great idea!! :) | 05:09 |
| * Jucato amuses himself with Magical Trevor vids in the meantime | 05:09 | |
| nixternal | hahahahaha | 05:22 |
| * daskReech slowly reads through aseigos' response | 05:23 | |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:24 |
| nixternal | just finished it myself | 05:24 |
| nixternal | damn, no UDS VoIP this time around..that stinks | 05:35 |
| * nixternal beds | 05:38 | |
| daskReech | Nightrose: in bed? | 05:49 |
| mhb | mornin | 05:50 |
| mhb | 06:52 | 05:51 |
| mhb | the bad thing about UDS is that it's not really around the corner :o) but still better than somewhere in the U.S. :o) | 05:51 |
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| mhb | good morning ScottK-uds | 06:04 |
| ScottK-uds | Good morning. | 06:04 |
| mhb | hmm hmm, finally a schedule up on the wiki.ubuntu.com UDS site | 06:07 |
| ScottK-uds | Don't get to attached to it. It changes a lot. | 06:09 |
| mhb | right. | 06:09 |
| mhb | so there'll be stuff for us Kubuntu folks to do, contrary to what is says, I hope :o) | 06:09 |
| mhb | s/ is / it / | 06:10 |
| mhb | should I wear anything formal-ish or is a t-shirt okay? | 06:11 |
| mhb | well I guess there's no need for that, but just making sure :o) | 06:12 |
| ScottK-uds | Just make sure the T-shirt isn't too formal. ;-) | 06:12 |
| ScottK-uds | mhb: One thing we need to keep in mind for UDS is looking at things Ubuntu is doing that we ought to do to, so we aren't 'behind'. | 06:18 |
| mhb | that's true. | 06:18 |
| * mhb is feeling a bit nervous | 06:19 | |
| mhb | this "going into a new environment" always gets me. | 06:19 |
| ScottK-uds | mhb: It's OK to feel excited. Don't feel nervous. | 06:19 |
| * ScottK-uds goes off to get ready ... | 06:20 | |
| mhb | ScottK-uds: it's the shy me :o) | 06:23 |
| mhb | just in case: this is what I may look like: http://mhb.ath.cx/tmp/me.jpg | 06:31 |
| mhb | so if you notice me there, please say hello :o) | 06:31 |
| daskReech | T-shirt is waaay to formal | 06:32 |
| daskReech | bermuda shorts top | 06:32 |
| mhb | daskReech: right, but I can't go out there in shorts, it's too cold :o) | 06:32 |
| yuriy | yuck internet died | 06:32 |
| mhb | rest in peace | 06:32 |
| mhb | I'm going to miss it | 06:32 |
| mhb | but now... UDS time! I have to get there, see you folks there, or in this channel in an hour or so :o) | 06:33 |
| daskReech | :) | 06:33 |
| yuriy | Riddell: firefox integration is much of a problem. I think it's one of the most common complaints about kubuntu on forums, there's a spec or two for it, and some bugs. basically gtk dialogs suck and kubuntu users shouldn't have to deal with them | 06:34 |
| daskReech | firefox-kubuntu package which points to konqueror with a firefox skin ? :0 | 06:36 |
| yuriy | Riddell: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/firefox-kde-support, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/firefox-qt-kubuntu, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-gtk-theme, bugs 43238, 49568, 220798, 138756, 220504, 193538, 222122 and more. can't find any interesting forum thread right now. this might be useful: http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/05/06/well-isnt-that-qt/ | 06:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 43238 in kubuntu-default-settings "Firefox open / save dialog is a pain for kde users" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43238 | 06:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 49568 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird KDE-integration" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49568 | 06:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 220798 in firefox-3.0 "[KDE] Applications tab in preferences is empty in Firefox-3.0b5 " [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220798 | 06:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 138756 in kubuntu-default-settings "kubuntu firefox should use kde print system" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138756 | 06:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 220504 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox doesn't know what apps to use to open any type of downloaded files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220504 | 06:55 |
| yuriy | sorry for the flood :( | 06:55 |
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| Riddell | ScottK-uds: ccc | 08:45 |
| ScottK-uds | Riddell: I'm in the server team room for the first roundtable. | 08:49 |
| Riddell | oh you and your server fettish :) | 08:50 |
| Riddell | if you see tonio or mhb poke them towards the desktop room at the end of the other corridor | 08:50 |
| \sh | lol | 08:50 |
| ScottK-uds | It looks like I should be able to make all the KDE stuff. | 08:50 |
| ScottK-uds | Riddell: I will. | 08:51 |
| etretyak | Sigh.. How I wish to be now at UDS... :-\ | 08:52 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: have you got any Idea how we can voip in to UDS there's nothing on the wiki at the bottom it just says info to come https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Intrepid | 08:52 |
| \sh | davmor2, spads and all sysadmins @uds are setting up the infrastructure still... | 08:53 |
| davmor2 | \sh: that would explain it then | 08:54 |
| \sh | davmor2, #canonical-sysadmin is mostly the right place to apply for later...when it's setup | 08:54 |
| Riddell | dasee http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-intrepid/2008-05-19/index.html | 08:55 |
| Riddell | voip and icecast links at top of each room | 08:55 |
| Riddell | davmor2: | 08:55 |
| Riddell | don't know if it works yet | 08:55 |
| \sh | bah...amarok doesn't like the oggstream yet | 08:56 |
| davmor2 | Thanks guys :) | 08:57 |
| daskReech | Riddell: should I contact teh jasper guys as regards teh license? | 08:59 |
| Riddell | daskReech: who? what? | 08:59 |
| daskReech | Riddell: jasper! license! | 09:00 |
| Riddell | what's jasper, why does it need a licence | 09:00 |
| mhb | Riddell: where are you? | 09:01 |
| daskReech | libjasper-runtime is waht does the jpegsequencing for kopete to show webcams | 09:01 |
| mhb | Riddell: Tonio and me looked for you, but couldn't find you | 09:01 |
| Riddell | mhb: Volga, desktop roundtable, end of the corridor that wasn't where the intro was | 09:01 |
| daskReech | Kopete doesn't depend on it but ya need it for webcam viewing | 09:01 |
| mhb | Riddell: also, good morning | 09:01 |
| mhb | hmm | 09:02 |
| daskReech | Riddell: Issue is that for Kopete-kde4 they code had to be changed to use a jasper executable instead of libjasper due to licensing conflicts | 09:02 |
| daskReech | Kubuntu doesn't package a jasper package only libjasper | 09:02 |
| Riddell | what's the libjasper licence? | 09:02 |
| daskReech | So The choices are eitehr make a jasper executabe or contact them on the license | 09:03 |
| daskReech | Gpl V2 I think | 09:03 |
| Riddell | no conflict there | 09:03 |
| daskReech | http://www.ece.uvic.ca/~mdadams/jasper/LICENSE | 09:04 |
| mhb | Riddell: ScottK with you there? | 09:04 |
| daskReech | I"m reading up now | 09:04 |
| Riddell | 09:01 < Riddell> mhb: Volga, desktop roundtable, end of the corridor that wasn't where the intro was | 09:04 |
| Riddell | oh, doh | 09:05 |
| Riddell | mhb: no, he's in server | 09:05 |
| mhb | ah | 09:05 |
| ScottK-uds | mhb: I'm here, but in server. | 09:05 |
| daskReech | Nope | 09:05 |
| Riddell | daskReech: /usr/share/doc/libjasper1/copyright says BSD | 09:05 |
| mhb | ScottK-uds: right | 09:05 |
| daskReech | not GPL :) | 09:05 |
| seele | daskReech: what are you doing awake? | 09:05 |
| mhb | hmm, so I guess I have to wait until you end those sessions :o) | 09:06 |
| daskReech | seele: Who says I'm awake | 09:06 |
| mhb | eh, those sessions end | 09:06 |
| daskReech | I just have nice cron jobs | 09:06 |
| daskReech | Let me go get my dogs | 09:06 |
| mhb | Riddell: are we planning to do more Kubuntu than is planned today or are you booked full? | 09:07 |
| mhb | some unplanned sessions would be nice, especially because I have the whole day free | 09:08 |
| Riddell | mhb: you are encouraged to join us for the roundtable :) | 09:08 |
| mhb | Riddell: am I? | 09:08 |
| mhb | Okay then! | 09:08 |
| Riddell | of course | 09:09 |
| seele | mhb: bring a sweater.. it's cold in here | 09:09 |
| mhb | going there. | 09:09 |
| daskReech | seele: See you later :) | 09:09 |
| seele | daskReech: *wave* | 09:09 |
| Riddell | daskReech: no licence problems there then | 09:09 |
| daskReech | Riddell: seems not :) | 09:14 |
| mhb | so... | 09:16 |
| mhb | Riddell: you really think we have nothing to discuss (we = Kubuntu) otherwise than what's planned? | 09:22 |
| mhb | that makes today a bit empty, I must say. | 09:22 |
| mhb | (you didn't say that, I just assumed from your facial expression :o) | 09:23 |
| Riddell | oh I'm sure we have thing | 09:24 |
| Riddell | things | 09:24 |
| Riddell | travis behind you there wants to talk about compiz in kubuntu | 09:24 |
| seele | we could hijack one of the open conference rooms for some kde bonding | 09:24 |
| mhb | seele: I'd second that | 09:25 |
| ScottK-uds | Sounds good. | 09:25 |
| Riddell | I'd like to be in on the start of single sign on | 09:26 |
| davmor2 | \sh: try the icecasts now they should be up | 09:30 |
| Riddell | mhb: so say 11:30, pick a room, we'll have a Kubuntu Bonding session | 09:31 |
| seele | maybe we should call it something else. we wouldnt want people to get the wrong idea ;P | 09:32 |
| Riddell | Kubuntu Group Hug! | 09:33 |
| mhb | my idea, too | 09:33 |
| * mhb hugs Riddell | 09:33 | |
| Riddell | probably in the open area is easiest | 09:42 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-intrepid/ | 11:30 open area, Kubuntu Group Hug | ||
| seele | KDE Group HUg in Clyde (Suite 1) | 09:51 |
| mhb | hmm, change of places? | 09:51 |
| mhb | seele: I'll get there then. | 09:51 |
| seele | oh? where was it to begin with? | 09:51 |
| mhb | 11:30 open area, Kubuntu Group Hug | 09:51 |
| seele | mhb: i didnt see it on the board | 09:51 |
| seele | ooh | 09:52 |
| mhb | not on the board, just here in /topic | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | oh, kubuntu release schedule discussions again? | 09:53 |
| mhb | seele: so, here or there? | 09:54 |
| Riddell | mhb: open are amight be too noisy | 09:59 |
| Riddell | mhb: can you find tonio and ken and tell them? | 10:00 |
| * Riddell finds ken | 10:01 | |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-intrepid/ | 11:30 Clyde, Kubuntu Group Hug | ||
| seele | Artemis_Fowl: ping | 10:05 |
| mhb | Riddell: Tonio left in the morning, haven't met him afterwards, he said he has some business related stuff | 10:26 |
| === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde | ||
| Riddell | mhb: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSPragueSpecs | 11:21 |
| danimo | has anyone ever tried to build kde4 from scratch using the packages from hardy backports? because kdebase require qt4-opengl-dev and that one conflicts with qt4-dev as it seems | 11:36 |
| danimo | Riddell: ^^ | 11:37 |
| Riddell | danimo: meh, it's an upgrade issue of some sort, I'm unlikely to be able to fix it this week, just use dpkg --install ... --force-overwrite for now | 11:44 |
| danimo | ok | 11:45 |
| danimo | Riddell: on a similar note: do you happen to know why network-manager ist at version 0.6.6 while network-manager-dev is at 0.7 (svn) | 11:54 |
| danimo | ? | 11:54 |
| Riddell | danimo: mm, nope, where does apt-cache policy network-manager-dev say that 0.7 is coming from? | 12:36 |
| Riddell | do you have my ~jr PPA enabled still? | 12:36 |
| Tm_T | hmm | 12:36 |
| Riddell | version 0.7~~svn20080121t191418+eni1-0ubuntu0~pre7 is my PPA, you don't want that | 12:38 |
| danimo | Riddell: yes | 12:47 |
| danimo | Riddell: right | 12:47 |
| danimo | Riddell: but how to get back? | 12:47 |
| danimo | I think I can just remove your archive.. | 12:47 |
| Riddell | remove my archive from sources.list | 12:50 |
| danimo | done already | 12:50 |
| Riddell | apt-get remove network-manager-dev; apt-get install network-manager-dev | 12:50 |
| danimo | the file was just stuck | 12:50 |
| danimo | Riddell: pitty we can't use the solid 0.7 backend that way | 12:51 |
| Riddell | danimo: which way? | 12:51 |
| danimo | Riddell: with 0.6.6 | 12:51 |
| Riddell | well you can try and use my 0.7 package but I suspect it's out of date | 12:52 |
| Riddell | I see the qt overlapping files issue now, it's not just an upgrade issue the file really is in both packages, how silly of me | 12:53 |
| danimo | Riddell: no, that breaks the shit out of knetworkmanager | 12:54 |
| Riddell | right, but you can't have it both ways as far as I know | 12:54 |
| danimo | *shrug* :) | 12:56 |
| jussi01 | there are no issues with having 2 ssh keys in LP are there? | 12:56 |
| Tm_T | shouldn't be | 12:56 |
| jussi01 | :) just forgot to get my new one from home :) | 12:58 |
| Riddell | I wonder if this qt 4 source package will build before my battery runs out | 13:01 |
| Tm_T | heh | 13:01 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: only if you apply more gaffer. | 13:01 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I'm pulling my hairs off with my cpu, spending now second day building KDE4 | 13:02 |
| mhb | hola! | 13:02 |
| Tm_T | hola hola mhb | 13:03 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: if you have hairs in your CPU that will probably slow it down :) | 13:03 |
| mhb | hey Tm_T | 13:03 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: indeed, that's what I thought too, but wasn't sure ;) | 13:04 |
| * jussi01 sighs... I hate it when I try to do things, and it makes me feel like a total #?%% | 13:07 | |
| === mhb_ is now known as mhb | ||
| mhb | ryanakca: ping | 13:27 |
| nixternal | what's the link to the icecast streams | 13:28 |
| mhb | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-intrepid/2008-05-19/index.html | 13:28 |
| mhb | you'll find it all there | 13:28 |
| nixternal | thank you sir | 13:28 |
| mhb | you are most welcome, my lord | 13:28 |
| nixternal | haha | 13:30 |
| nixternal | anything good go on today? | 13:30 |
| === hunger_t is now known as hunger | ||
| mhb | nixternal: lunch | 13:31 |
| nixternal | hehe | 13:31 |
| mhb | nixternal: there's Firefox KDE integration, you'd love that :o) | 13:31 |
| mhb | nixternal: nothing for me | 13:31 |
| mhb | there's the big kubuntu-release-schedule talk | 13:33 |
| mhb | which I expect will turn into a heated discussion | 13:33 |
| mhb | (I'm not a big fan of it) | 13:33 |
| nixternal | me either | 13:35 |
| nixternal | Firefox KDE integration == sudo apt-get --purge remove firefox* | 13:35 |
| Lure | mhb: why would kubuntu-release-schedule talk get heated? | 13:35 |
| mhb | Lure: because I don't like the idea, and you know how heated I can get? :o) | 13:36 |
| nixternal | actually, there are some good integration points in the forums for firefox...which really amount to having firefox use the KDE downloader and print stuff | 13:37 |
| mhb | nixternal: I'm checking them as we speak | 13:37 |
| mhb | nixternal: it doesn't seem to replace the Firefox print dialog. | 13:38 |
| mhb | Lure: how about you? | 13:38 |
| mhb | Lure: do you like that idea? | 13:38 |
| Lure | mhb: still getting to LP page... | 13:38 |
| jjesse | what session are we talking about? | 13:39 |
| mhb | Kubuntu Release Schedule | 13:39 |
| mhb | it's not on yet | 13:39 |
| mhb | it'll be later in the afternoon | 13:39 |
| jjesse | oh cool | 13:39 |
| mhb | VoIP and Icecast is available, so you can all tune in and communicate with us via IRC | 13:40 |
| jjesse | yay | 13:40 |
| mhb | usually, IRC channel is broadcast via a projector | 13:40 |
| mhb | so you can listen in and write, for instance. | 13:41 |
| jjesse | yay | 13:41 |
| * Lure does not find kubuntu-release-schedule on LP... :-( | 13:41 | |
| mhb | jjesse: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-intrepid/2008-05-19/index.html | 13:41 |
| jjesse | mhb: i am | 13:41 |
| mhb | jjesse: there are links for that. | 13:42 |
| Lure | mhb: is there any write up of proposal? | 13:42 |
| mhb | Lure: hmm, I know about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuUDSPragueSpecs | 13:42 |
| Lure | mhb: ok, I recall seeing that paragraph, but I thought there is already some more info | 13:43 |
| mhb | Lure: I'll ask Riddell once this talk ends | 13:43 |
| Lure | mhb: I do not believe that this is at all possible (to go against ubuntu schedule) | 13:43 |
| Lure | mhb: it will just mean we are more unstable | 13:44 |
| mhb | Lure: me neither, but someone brought it up | 13:44 |
| Lure | mhb: in general I do not see a problem being 1-2 month behind kde release | 13:44 |
| Lure | mhb: this gives us some early feedback (both from beta as well as backports for older release) | 13:44 |
| mhb | correct. | 13:45 |
| Lure | mhb: and I think that kde release dates are not carved in stone yet | 13:45 |
| mhb | Keep your opinions warm for the talk. | 13:45 |
| mhb | :o) | 13:45 |
| Lure | mhb: no time to participte during the session | 13:45 |
| nixternal | hehe, than we shall copy and paste :) | 13:45 |
| * Lure has almost zero time recently for kubuntu hacking :-( | 13:45 | |
| mhb | too bad. | 13:46 |
| mhb | :o) | 13:46 |
| Lure | mhb: yeah, both work and personal life get in trhe way sometime ;-) | 13:50 |
| mhb | Lure: I know | 13:54 |
| mhb | Lure: I wish my personal life got in the way :o) | 13:54 |
| mhb | unfortunately, it's all school now | 13:55 |
| seele | mhb: how many more semesters do you have? | 13:55 |
| mhb | close to infinite :o) | 13:55 |
| mhb | at least 8 | 13:55 |
| mhb | seele: where are you? | 13:55 |
| seele | mhb: my room charging my laptop | 13:56 |
| mhb | seele: I've compiled the kgrubeditor and wanted to show it to you, but didn't get the chance | 13:56 |
| seele | (and maybe take a nap :D | 13:56 |
| mhb | ah | 13:56 |
| mhb | good idea. | 13:56 |
| mhb | see you around. | 13:56 |
| seele | ok.. show it to me later | 13:56 |
| mhb | right, no rush... | 13:56 |
| Lure | mhb: who else is there at uds? | 13:58 |
| Lure | from kubuntu/kde | 13:58 |
| Riddell | Lure: there's no specs in launchpad yet | 13:58 |
| mhb | Lure: me, ScottK, Riddell (obviously), seele, Tonio_ | 13:59 |
| mhb | kwwii, if you still count him :o) | 13:59 |
| * jdavies failed at coming | 13:59 | |
| Lure | Riddell: regarding kubuntu-community: I am fine to step down from council as recently have ENOTIME, so feel free to fine better candidates with more involvement (should not be hard) | 13:59 |
| mhb | Lure: hmm, it might be a tad harder than you think :o) | 14:00 |
| Lure | jdavies: how come? | 14:00 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: heh, another one | 14:00 |
| Lure | mhb: why? | 14:00 |
| mhb | Lure: I'm not much active either these days ... in fact, very few people are. | 14:00 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: I just do not have time currently to follow what is going on | 14:00 |
| jdavies | Lure: don't have ~180euros for passport | 14:00 |
| mhb | jdavies: how come the passport is so freaking expensive? | 14:01 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: yeah, i can understand. i already stepped down | 14:01 |
| Lure | I hope it will get better for this cycle, but cannot see it right now | 14:01 |
| mhb | jdavies: also, I'm sure we would have figured it somehow, it's money, but not too much. | 14:02 |
| jdavies | mhb: best ask: http://tinyurl.com/yowj9m | 14:02 |
| mhb | jdavies: "freaking expensive" for a piece of paper | 14:02 |
| Lure | mhb: but we have new/old powers in ScottK, apachelogger ... | 14:02 |
| Lure | jdavies: you cannot travel to Prague with ID card only? | 14:02 |
| jdavies | Lure: don't have one | 14:03 |
| Lure | jdavies: you are my hero! true beliver that the only ID he needs is gpg key! | 14:03 |
| nixternal | lol | 14:03 |
| mhb | I guess he doesn't have one because of a different reason | 14:03 |
| mhb | jdavies: but still, you should have come. I feel so young without you | 14:04 |
| jdavies | There are no British ID cards ;-) | 14:04 |
| Riddell | ...yet | 14:04 |
| Lure | mhb: did you need visa this time around? ;-) | 14:04 |
| mhb | Lure: no :o) they don't check the public transportation for terrorists here. | 14:04 |
| * jdavies -> class | 14:04 | |
| Lure | jdavies: true that, but you are in spain currently? no id's there? | 14:05 |
| jdavies | Lure: those are for nationals only, foreigners get "residence cards" | 14:05 |
| mhb | I've got some time on my hands folks | 14:05 |
| jdavies | mhb: next time I will ;-) | 14:05 |
| mhb | jdavies: right, but then I won't be there :o) | 14:05 |
| mhb | :o( | 14:05 |
| mhb | most likely. | 14:06 |
| mhb | anyways. | 14:06 |
| mhb | I've got an hour or two free now, and I need something to keep myself busy with. | 14:06 |
| nixternal | I will be at the one in the fall (about time right) | 14:06 |
| mhb | Give me something to do, please. | 14:06 |
| mhb | all them Kubuntuers disappeared, so here I am, sitting alone and desiring to do some wild Kubuntu hacking or fixing. | 14:07 |
| mhb | nobody has a personal favourite bug that they want fixed pretty badly, and it's just an hour of hacking? | 14:08 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: fix bugs! | 14:09 |
| mhb | please... | 14:09 |
| mhb | :o) | 14:09 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: right, but which ones? | 14:09 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: implement the qt firefox stuff | 14:09 |
| mhb | qt firefox stuff? | 14:09 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: the spec on firefox looking kde-ish still exists, does'nt it? | 14:11 |
| Hobbsee | it's been rostered on later | 14:11 |
| mhb | I guess so, it should be discussed today. | 14:13 |
| * Hobbsee last time thought the discussions ended up in "we want to do this, but have no one to do it, so further discussions are moot" | 14:14 | |
| mhb | I'm predicting that today, too | 14:14 |
| mhb | argh, the API site is c**ppy | 14:16 |
| Riddell | mhb: something to do in an hour, find the SRU bugs for kaffeine, kde4libs, kdebase and check the test cases work | 14:17 |
| mhb | Riddell: are those distinguishable? Fix commited or something? | 14:20 |
| Riddell | mhb: look in the changelog, or hardy-changes | 14:20 |
| mhb | Riddell: hmm, checking them. | 14:27 |
| mhb | Riddell: why did you remove the DVD Codec install? | 14:27 |
| mhb | no explanation in the bug | 14:28 |
| Riddell | turns out to be illegal in countries we care about | 14:28 |
| mhb | like U.S? | 14:28 |
| Riddell | mm hmm | 14:28 |
| mhb | I don't care about the guys that won't even let me into their country! | 14:28 |
| mhb | :o) | 14:28 |
| mhb | jokes aside... | 14:29 |
| mhb | I understand, and I really regret that - twas a great thing. | 14:29 |
| mhb | Riddell: are you absolutely positive that offering to download a thing from a third party is illegal in those countries? | 14:29 |
| Riddell | through a GUI it is | 14:30 |
| mhb | it seems kind of absurd to me, like talking about guns would be a crime. | 14:30 |
| Riddell | yes, it is | 14:30 |
| mhb | Riddell: so all of the codec installation was deleted, or just the DVD part? | 14:31 |
| Riddell | no, just the dvdcss bit replaced with a "run this script" dialogue | 14:31 |
| mhb | hmm, now where do I get a video DVD :o) | 14:32 |
| Riddell | you can just run the command in /usr/share/services/kaffeine_xine-install-dvdcss.desktop | 14:33 |
| mhb | Are you sure it should tell me that the DVD is encrypted even though there's no DVD in the drive? | 14:33 |
| mhb | the message appears alright, only it should actually appear if and only if a DVD is encrypted and present | 14:34 |
| Riddell | well normally that script is only run by kaffeine if it comes across an encrypted dvd | 14:35 |
| Riddell | if you run it manually it will lie | 14:35 |
| mhb | I don't run it manually. | 14:36 |
| mhb | I just clicked on the "Play DVD" button in Kaffeine. | 14:36 |
| Riddell | hmm, sounds like you found a bug :) | 14:36 |
| mhb | seems like it. | 14:36 |
| Riddell | yes, I confirm | 14:37 |
| * txwikinger gets out the bugsquasher | 14:37 | |
| nixternal | same here | 14:37 |
| Riddell | however, that's not related to this paticular SRU | 14:38 |
| mhb | no, it was there from the start, I guess. | 14:38 |
| mhb | Riddell: also, during our Kubuntu Group Hug we discovered with seele that there's no kmilo or equivalent in KDE4. | 14:41 |
| nixternal | kmilo isn't being maintained for kde4 | 14:41 |
| Riddell | yep, needs pondering in the kde4-porting session | 14:41 |
| mhb | Riddell: is that a bug or a very strange feature, or nobody bothered to port that yet? | 14:41 |
| mhb | ah. | 14:42 |
| mhb | just what I thought. | 14:42 |
| mhb | well, I need a project for the summer | 14:42 |
| Riddell | kmilo died, it doesn't really solve the problem in the right way | 14:42 |
| nixternal | Riddell: kmilo was apart of the kde-utils talk recently | 14:42 |
| mhb | so this might be a candidate. | 14:42 |
| mhb | hmm, that's the first time Adept Notifier actually correctly told me when to reboot a system | 14:50 |
| mhb | and I wasn't using Adept for upgrades... | 14:50 |
| mhb | nice | 14:50 |
| Riddell | seele: is your new phone nokia by any chance? | 14:51 |
| mhb | Riddell: hmm, two test cases, two bugs :o) | 14:52 |
| Riddell | uh oh | 14:52 |
| mhb | Riddell: I've checked the "Cannot Launch Games" bug | 14:52 |
| mhb | if you happen to remember it | 14:52 |
| Riddell | yep | 14:53 |
| mhb | KDE4, when you launch krunner, and try to start apps like "Atlantik" by typing a few letters and clicking on them, it says "KDEInit: Couldn't launch ..." | 14:53 |
| mhb | it does exactly that on an unpatched system. | 14:54 |
| Riddell | mm, that happens with kde 4 krunner and kde 3 apps, I don't know why | 14:54 |
| mhb | the fix, however, fixes it only partially | 14:54 |
| mhb | you can launch the application | 14:54 |
| mhb | but you still get the same message when you close it | 14:54 |
| Riddell | it's an unrelated problem | 14:54 |
| Riddell | (I think) | 14:54 |
| mhb | also, krunner stays open the whole time | 14:55 |
| Riddell | yep | 14:55 |
| mhb | OK. | 14:55 |
| mhb | but the application launches, so it's only half-broken. | 14:55 |
| mhb | hmm, time for a break! | 14:55 |
| mhb | afterwards, we do have a session on KDE and Firefox, right? | 14:55 |
| Riddell | mhb: please add results to those bug reports then | 14:55 |
| mhb | I will, I already submit that kaffeine bug. | 14:56 |
| Riddell | mhb: yes, we do seem to, guess we'll see what asac has in mind | 14:56 |
| mhb | I'll meet you either there or in the lobby then. | 15:00 |
| Riddell | ScottK-uds: question for you on #kde-devel | 15:04 |
| Riddell | well, if you know about bulletproof x | 15:04 |
| seele | Riddell: motorola | 15:05 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken! | 15:08 |
| ScottK-uds | Riddell: Joined | 15:08 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: Howdy :) | 15:08 |
| ScottK-uds | Riddell: I'll be glad to share what little I know. | 15:08 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: tis the traitor :P | 15:10 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: You say that like it's a bad thing :) | 15:10 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: well, in this channel it is :P | 15:10 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: Are saying I shouldn't join? | 15:12 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: no. but they might want you to help out :P | 15:15 |
| * Hobbsee is also a traitor, remember | 15:15 | |
| manchicken | heh | 15:15 |
| Hobbsee | and they haven't thrown me out yet | 15:15 |
| manchicken | True enough. | 15:15 |
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| jjesse | wow that was a pain to figure out... antivirus corrupted and messed up network settings | 15:37 |
| Nightrose | hmm the stream for the oder room doesn't seem to be the firefox session... - did it get moved to another room? | 15:38 |
| * yuriy is wondering the same thing | 15:38 | |
| yuriy | also it's breaking up a lot | 15:38 |
| Nightrose | yea | 15:38 |
| * txwikinger can't understand anything on the streams | 15:38 | |
| jjesse | bummer don't have a chance right now to listen in | 15:38 |
| mhb | Nightrose: nope | 15:40 |
| mhb | Nightrose: we're in that room | 15:40 |
| Nightrose | hmmm- the stream is about kernel stuff I'd say | 15:40 |
| Nightrose | :( | 15:40 |
| mhb | really? | 15:41 |
| ScottK-uds | They combined two rooms to make the server room bigger. Some stuff got moved around. | 15:41 |
| mhb | hmm | 15:41 |
| mhb | they can't change room names, can they? | 15:41 |
| mhb | try some other channel, then :o) | 15:42 |
| ScottK-uds | I'm not sure what they did with the room that got moved. | 15:42 |
| Nightrose | well it is hard to say what they are about since the audio is really crappy ;-) | 15:42 |
| Nightrose | so listening in and figuring out if it is the right room is kinda hard | 15:42 |
| mhb | they're talking about XDG and how GNOME and KDE figures content type | 15:42 |
| Nightrose | k will check | 15:42 |
| mhb | a bit uninteresting, to be honest | 15:43 |
| yuriy | mhb: what room? | 15:43 |
| seele | *yawn* | 15:43 |
| seele | yuriy: Oder in Suite 2 | 15:43 |
| mhb | seele: my thought exactly :o) | 15:44 |
| * yuriy will try again and see if it doesn't sound like kernel talk this time | 15:44 | |
| jdavies | mhb: aww | 15:46 |
| Nightrose | hmm neither of them is about firefox as far as i can tell | 15:46 |
| mhb | jdavies: aww? | 15:46 |
| Nightrose | but the first two streams sounds like it is the same session | 15:46 |
| Nightrose | meh | 15:46 |
| jdavies | mhb: that you won't be there :( | 15:46 |
| mhb | jdavies: yeah, well, that's the rule.. | 15:47 |
| mhb | Nightrose: believe me, invest your time in something else | 15:47 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 15:47 |
| Nightrose | ok | 15:47 |
| mhb | Nightrose: did you enjoy Fosscamp? | 15:47 |
| mhb | you should have stayed for uds | 15:47 |
| Nightrose | i did | 15:47 |
| Nightrose | yea :( | 15:47 |
| Nightrose | would have loved to | 15:48 |
| Nightrose | ah yea - that was pitti talking - so definitely the gues account session on the oder stream | 15:49 |
| Nightrose | *guest | 15:49 |
| mhb | pitti? | 15:50 |
| mhb | hmm, so it's not this one | 15:50 |
| Nightrose | yea | 15:50 |
| txwikinger | which stream is anything good going on right now? | 15:51 |
| Nightrose | txwikinger: rhine might be interesting for you | 15:52 |
| txwikinger | what are the times anyway? UTC,or local? | 15:52 |
| mhb | local | 15:52 |
| txwikinger | Prague is MESZ so UK+1, right | 15:53 |
| mhb | MESZ? | 15:53 |
| mhb | we call it CEST | 15:53 |
| jussi01 | where can you get these strams? | 15:53 |
| Nightrose | jussi01: see topic | 15:53 |
| Nightrose | there are links | 15:53 |
| jussi01 | Nightrose: ahh... I did look at that, bu thought it was some sort of archive thing :) | 15:54 |
| txwikinger | mhb: That is confusing for me... EST or CST :D | 15:54 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 15:54 |
| mhb | txwikinger: central european summer time or something | 15:54 |
| jdavies | txwikinger: CEST | 15:55 |
| txwikinger | mbh: I know... MESZ = Mitteleuropäische Sommerzeit | 15:55 |
| nixternal | 09:38:30 [ twitter] rrr0321: 14 tons of double stuffed oreo's spilled on interstate 80 near Morris, IL. Need a milk truck now | 15:55 |
| jdavies | oops, /reads up | 15:55 |
| jussi01 | sigh... I dont have voip :/ | 15:55 |
| txwikinger | nixternal: Got milk? | 15:55 |
| nixternal | hahaha, that made me lol | 15:55 |
| nixternal | almost a rofl | 15:55 |
| Nightrose | jussi01: then use the stream ;-) | 15:56 |
| Nightrose | although quality is crappy from time to tim | 15:56 |
| Nightrose | e | 15:56 |
| yuriy | mhb: for bug 218138 is it the same error message? | 15:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 218138 in kde4libs "unable to launch atlantik in kde4" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218138 | 15:56 |
| yuriy | what you describe sounds like what happens on my laptop with kate | 15:56 |
| mhb | KDEInit could not launch '/usr/games/atlantik'. | 15:56 |
| yuriy | so that's different because it actually has the right path | 15:57 |
| mhb | it does. | 15:57 |
| mhb | it launches it. | 15:57 |
| mhb | but it won't quit and complains eventually. | 15:57 |
| yuriy | mhb: does that happen to you with other applications? | 15:57 |
| yuriy | i mean, i think that's a separate problem | 15:57 |
| mhb | hmm | 15:57 |
| mhb | it may be | 15:57 |
| mhb | it happens for every app, as long as you select it from krunner | 15:58 |
| mhb | it may be separate. | 15:58 |
| mhb | you can't reproduce it? | 15:58 |
| mhb | can anyone? | 15:58 |
| mhb | with your latest patch | 15:58 |
| yuriy | mhb: did it never happen without the patch? | 15:59 |
| mhb | not sure now. | 15:59 |
| mhb | The bug you wrote about was there. | 15:59 |
| mhb | but I didn't check for this one. | 15:59 |
| yuriy | hmm I can't reproduce that problem right now either, but I know I've run into it before | 16:00 |
| Nightrose | yay - now the streams are gone :( | 16:03 |
| yuriy | bug 225783 could be related | 16:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 225783 in kde4libs "launching kate 3.0.3 from plasma icon or konqueror gives a warning message on exit (KDE 4.0.3, Kubuntu 8.04)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/225783 | 16:03 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: i told you about the .hidden/...deskt1op showing up in kickoff problem with neon right? I just saw that dragon player has the same problem here | 16:07 |
| mhb | hmm, now it gets interesting | 16:08 |
| jjesse | yay? | 16:08 |
| mhb | some firefox folks talking about Firefox eventually supporting Qt | 16:08 |
| mhb | so you could build FF with Qt support without the GTK deps. | 16:08 |
| jjesse | that owould be nice | 16:09 |
| yuriy | ah yes indeed that would be interesting | 16:10 |
| * vorian waves | 16:11 | |
| yuriy | plenty of requests for that, and some info here: http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/05/06/well-isnt-that-qt/ | 16:11 |
| * yuriy wishes the stream worked | 16:11 | |
| mhb | the sessions ends now | 16:12 |
| mhb | next Kubuntu in Desktop | 16:12 |
| * jjesse wishes he was there | 16:12 | |
| txwikinger | which room? | 16:12 |
| mhb | check it out for yourself :o) | 16:13 |
| txwikinger | :p | 16:13 |
| * yuriy thinks shifting the release schedule away from Ubuntu is a terrible idea. but maybe something good to discuss would be how well our freeze dates fit with the KDE release schedule | 16:24 | |
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| fdoving | Riddell: around? | 17:41 |
| Riddell | hi fdoving | 17:43 |
| jjesse | afternoon everyone | 17:43 |
| fdoving | Riddell: hi. about bug 222041 - gentoo have a simpler way to do this. and i think it's the same issue. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186028 - simple patch to /usr/bin/kdeeject which is a bash script. - i belive the change we have in -proposed for hardy should be dropped, and this implemented. | 17:45 |
| ubottu | bugs.gentoo.org bug 186028 in KDE "kde (hal) "unmounted but not ejected" error unless in disk group" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 17:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 222041 in kdebase "unmounting a usb stick gives a stupid error" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222041 | 17:45 |
| fdoving | and this should probably be pushed upstream too, as it needs to be fixed by everyone. | 17:46 |
| Riddell | fdoving: we can't change features in -proposed, it's minimal bugfixes only | 17:47 |
| fdoving | Riddell: ok, this is that. the other "fix" breaks more than it fixes. | 17:47 |
| Riddell | and we can't push upstream, KDE 3 is long since frozen, else we'd have done it forever | 17:48 |
| Riddell | s/forever/ages ago/ | 17:48 |
| fdoving | kdebase got a change 5 weeks ago :) | 17:50 |
| Riddell | I don't know if there is going to be a 3.5.10 anyway | 17:51 |
| Riddell | what's the advantage of the gentoo script? | 17:52 |
| Riddell | seele: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UDS-Intrepid/PragueTips | 17:52 |
| fdoving | it ejects with HAL instead of /usr/bin/eject - which our kdeeject tries to. | 17:52 |
| fdoving | and that is the proper way, as we mount with HAL and don't give permissions to eject with /usr/bin/eject.- | 17:52 |
| Riddell | proofreaders: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuReleaseSchedule | 18:03 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: amarok 1.4.9.1 is not backported to gutsy yet it seems - we had a few requests - any reasons for it not being backported? | 18:04 |
| Nightrose | (besides time) | 18:04 |
| ScottK-uds | Nightrose: Is there a gusty-backports bug? | 18:05 |
| Nightrose | ScottK-uds: have not checked | 18:05 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: I can't say I care about backporting to releases before the current stable version. if someone wants to do it or ask the backports team that's fine | 18:05 |
| Nightrose | ok | 18:05 |
| Riddell | it would need the media-ipod patch removed I'd imagine | 18:06 |
| Nightrose | yea | 18:06 |
| ScottK-uds | Nightrose: If someone will file a bug in gutsy-backports and test that it builds/installs/runs on Gutsy, just ping me with the bug number and I can approve it/upload it with the diff. | 18:06 |
| Nightrose | ScottK-uds: ok will do | 18:06 |
| Nightrose | thx | 18:06 |
| Riddell | kwwii: drinking bof at 7:30 with tonio | 18:07 |
| Nightrose | *lol* that's waht we call it now? | 18:07 |
| Riddell | better than a smoking bof | 18:07 |
| Nightrose | ;-) true | 18:07 |
| Riddell | most unhealthy | 18:07 |
| Nightrose | right | 18:07 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: about the spec "of having our own publicity not lose in the Ubuntu release" sounds strange to me - not sure though | 18:09 |
| mhb | hello" | 18:12 |
| mhb | hello! | 18:12 |
| Nightrose | heya mhb | 18:13 |
| jjesse | hello :) | 18:13 |
| mhb | home at last | 18:13 |
| jjesse | yay for home | 18:13 |
| mhb | jjesse: not so yay | 18:13 |
| Nightrose | ScottK-uds: no bug so far - will tell the next one who asks to do it and provide a package | 18:13 |
| mhb | it was fun at the UDS, but now I have to learn until midnight :o) | 18:13 |
| jjesse | bummer,but with the amount i travel, being at home is always a yay | 18:14 |
| mhb | jjesse: that's true | 18:14 |
| Riddell | mhb: good to meet you mhb, good luck studying | 18:15 |
| Riddell | mhb: you're not in tomorrow right? | 18:16 |
| mhb | Riddell: I am | 18:21 |
| mhb | Riddell: my exam is at 17:40 | 18:21 |
| mhb | so I guess I'm there morning and early afternoon | 18:21 |
| mhb | wednesday I'm gone | 18:21 |
| mhb | one exam in the morning and one in the afternoon | 18:21 |
| ryanakca | mhb: pong? | 18:21 |
| mhb | ryanakca: early enough :o) | 18:21 |
| mhb | Riddell: I assume I'll be there for the Kubuntu talks, then lunch, then gone | 18:22 |
| mhb | Riddell: but it might change. | 18:22 |
| mhb | Riddell: nice to meet you, too... all of you! | 18:22 |
| mhb | such great people | 18:22 |
| mhb | ryanakca: I wanted to ask about the website | 18:23 |
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| Riddell | mhb: groovy | 18:23 |
| ryanakca | mhb: yes... we're still patiently waiting on the overworked sysadmins... | 18:25 |
| mhb | ryanakca: ah | 18:25 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: question is, where do these files come from anyway | 19:14 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: i have no idea | 19:14 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: btw, did you get me a new brain in prague? | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | I pretty much b0rked the old one today | 19:15 |
| Nightrose | nope ;-) | 19:15 |
| Nightrose | oO | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | 6 hours economics was just too much | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | I was able to sleep in the afternoon after 6 cups o coffee | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | horrible | 19:15 |
| * Nightrose hugs apachelogger | 19:16 | |
| Nightrose | how did it work out? | 19:16 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 19:18 |
| apachelogger | there is reason to hope though | 19:19 |
| Nightrose | :) | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | I was pretty good in accounting, business economics wasn't that awesome though | 19:19 |
| Nightrose | bah - I am sure you rocked ;-) | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | we'll see | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | gotta continue learning on german and french | 19:20 |
| apachelogger | cya | 19:20 |
| Nightrose | good luck | 19:21 |
| Nightrose | and cya | 19:21 |
| uga | Riddell: you should always carry a tripod with you to avoid blurry shots ;) | 19:59 |
| yuriy | ohh 4 months *after* ubuntu | 20:19 |
| jjesse | yuriy: what are you tlking about? | 20:19 |
| yuriy | jjesse: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuReleaseSchedule | 20:19 |
| jjesse | wouldn't it be a pain to change the sync of kubuntu from ubuntu/ | 20:20 |
| yuriy | jjesse: read the bottom part, decided against it | 20:20 |
| jjesse | yay | 20:24 |
| jjesse | been swamped w/ confrence calls yet again, wish i could particpate more :( | 20:24 |
| ScottK-uds | Nightrose: Sounds good. | 23:03 |
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