[00:23] <daskReech> Nightrose: Great shirt!
[00:23] <Nightrose> hehe thanks
[00:24] <daskReech> (He says as they stand in front of a shop selling shirts)
[00:24] <Nightrose> :P
[00:24] <daskReech> Which reminds me.
[00:24]  * daskReech sighs
[00:25] <daskReech>  Man KDE is going to turn me into shirt wearing billboard whore
[00:25] <Nightrose> rofl
[00:25] <daskReech> Akonadi has a great T-Shirt!
[00:25] <Nightrose> ohhh where?
[00:26] <daskReech> Haven't seen it?
[00:26] <Nightrose> nope - i am still catching up after fosscamp
[00:26] <Nightrose> not read planets and stuff yet
[00:26] <Nightrose> i am at emails right now ;-) - rss feeds after that
[00:27] <daskReech> http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2008/05/voodoo-that-we-do.html
[00:27] <Nightrose> thx
[00:27] <Nightrose> sweetness
[00:27] <daskReech> yes it is
[00:28] <daskReech> I just need a Amarok T-Shirt with Glow in the dark wolf to top it now
[00:28] <Nightrose> hehe
[00:32] <daskReech> Man I miss Akregator
[00:33] <Jucato> why not use akregator?
[00:34] <daskReech> hasn't been ported as stable yet
[00:35] <daskReech> I could compile I guess
[00:35] <Jucato> works ok here
[00:35] <daskReech> You are running trunk :-P
[00:36] <Jucato> yeah
[00:41] <daskReech> :-p
[00:43] <daskReech> how is it :(
[00:43] <Jucato> until yesterday, there was a khtml bug that made akregator annoying to use. now it's less annoying (but still some problems)
[00:44] <daskReech> Wht's it?
[00:44] <Jucato> some rendering problem. kinda hard to explain. the thing to know is that it seems to be gone now :)
[00:46] <daskReech> With Forms?
[00:46] <daskReech> Forms have been giving me hell on 4.0.4
[00:46] <Nightrose> daskReech: i am working on that
[00:46] <Nightrose> just had no time due to fosscamp
[00:46] <Nightrose> but it is on my todo list
[00:46] <Jucato> no, plain rendering in the preview pane
[00:46] <daskReech> I know
[00:47] <daskReech> Qt 4.4 regression
[00:47] <Nightrose> ok ;-)
[00:47] <Nightrose> yea
[00:47] <daskReech> hmm
[00:47] <daskReech> what's the name of the Webkit test browser I eep hearing about?
[00:47] <Jucato> Arora?
[00:48] <daskReech> ahok Never heard it called by name
[00:50] <Jucato> well I think that's separate from the QtWebKit demo that comes with Qt 4 (if you compile it with demos)
[00:50] <daskReech> yeah I know
[00:50]  * daskReech still isn't fond of Webkit until it has invoked access keys
[00:51] <Jucato> so what do you "not" know :)
[00:52] <daskReech> oh right
[00:52] <daskReech> seele: ping
[00:52] <daskReech> I don't know if the categorized view in Doplhin has plans to be collapsble
[00:52] <Nightrose> daskReech: i doubt she is awake - she was pretty tired when she arrived
[00:54] <daskReech> aww ok well I'll feel out what the users think then :)
[00:54] <daskReech> Anyonehas thoughts on tabs in System settings ?
[00:55] <daskReech> Jucato: BTW I hear teh keyboard works in it now! Wohoo!!!
[00:55] <Jucato> it does
[00:57] <daskReech> sweet that's one of three things i want to see fixed down
[01:01] <daskReech> Jucato: Don't suppose search eliminates non matches ?
[01:01] <Jucato> of course it does
[01:02] <daskReech> really?
[01:02] <daskReech> not just grey them out ?
[01:02] <Jucato> it doesn't show how many "hits" in General and Advanced though
[01:02] <Jucato> yeah. as in non-matches go poof
[01:02] <daskReech> Serious? that's two :)
[01:02] <daskReech> So the only other thing is to have it merge general and adavnced now
[01:03] <daskReech> Since if you are searching you should have an idea of what you want but not where
[01:03] <daskReech> so it doesn't make sense to have them split like that
[01:04] <Jucato> don't hold your breath
[01:07] <daskReech> people are opposed to that?
[01:16] <daskReech> Jucato: Hey do you know anything about Hardy booting to a black screen intermittenly ?
[01:20] <jjesse> evening
[01:21] <daskReech> hey jjesse
[01:21] <jjesse> hello daskReech
[01:21] <Jucato> daskReech: no I don't know anything
[01:21] <daskReech> How are you?
[01:22] <jjesse> daskReech: doing well, just got back from my wifes first baby shower
[01:22] <jjesse> lots of loot
[01:22] <daskReech> Whoot :)
[01:22] <jjesse> totally
[01:22] <jjesse> morning Jucato
[01:22] <Jucato> good evening jjesse!
[01:23] <jjesse> how are you Jucato
[01:23] <Jucato> good good. and you? :)
[01:23] <Jucato> which country/state are you in right now? :D
[01:23] <jjesse> good, busy getting ready for baby
[01:23] <jjesse> i'm at home, michigan united states
[01:24] <Jucato> ah hehe :)
[01:24] <Jucato> good good :)
[01:24] <jjesse> i have one week in columbus ohio last week of may and then i'm home for 2 months due to baby arriving in june
[01:24] <Jucato> woot!! new kubuntu baby!! :)
[01:24] <jjesse> totally
[01:24] <jjesse> did i not tell everyone?
[01:24] <Jucato> :D
[01:24] <jjesse> sorry bout that
[01:25] <Jucato> well I didn't know. like I said, I know nothing :)
[01:25] <jjesse>  i thought i posted that when i turned down uds-prague
[01:25] <Jucato> the others might have a clue :D
[01:25] <jjesse> wife didn't want me on the other side of th world w/ only 5 weeks to go
[01:25] <daskReech> awwwww that's thoughtful :)
[01:25] <jjesse> hope fully will make it to uds-intrepid+1
[01:25] <Jucato> oh I haven't been reading planet ubuntu much lately
[01:26] <jjesse> Jucato: it was a copule of months ago
[01:26] <daskReech> Jumping jackalope ?
[01:26] <Jucato> oh?
[01:26] <jjesse> daskReech: beat me to it, was just thinking the same
[01:27] <daskReech> jjesse: I'll come up with something better soon But I like jumping jackalope :)
[01:27] <jjesse> +1 for me
[01:27] <Jucato> jjesse: " I did recently receive my nomination to be included as part of UDS-Intrepid, the next Ubuntu Developer Summit in Prague Czech Republic. As I can’t attend due to family reasons, I noticed the link for the next summit is up already."
[01:27] <jjesse> ah i didn't say what family reasons
[01:27] <Jucato> :D
[01:28] <jjesse> are they doing the gobby sessions and ip phone stuff for uds-intrepid?  i've seen no announcemnts on that
[01:29]  * daskReech pulls up his kobby mailing list
[01:29] <daskReech> I should really do some wiking on this
[01:29] <jjesse> kobby?
[01:29] <jjesse> a qt version of gobby?
[01:30] <daskReech> Nope
[01:30] <daskReech> A billion times better
[01:30] <jjesse> yeah?
[01:31] <daskReech> Yeah :-)
[01:31] <daskReech> soon as it's coded
[01:31] <Jucato> a.k.a. doesn't exist yet? :)
[01:31] <Jucato> see? :P
[01:31] <daskReech> Jucato: you are wise beyond your years
[01:32] <Jucato> yes.. beyond my ears
[01:32] <daskReech> jjesse: The idea is it's a framework
[01:32] <daskReech> so any document minded app can enable it
[01:32] <jjesse> cool
[01:32] <daskReech> works with decibel so you can chat in say kate
[01:32]  * Jucato believes he has read a GSoC proposal like that... or something
[01:32] <daskReech> yeah :)
[01:32] <daskReech> andreas is the head
[01:33] <daskReech> jjesse: But you can collaborate with say kate and Kdevlop
[01:33] <daskReech>  Or kwrite and kword
[01:33] <daskReech> or.....
[01:33] <daskReech> between two krita
[01:33] <jjesse> googling right now
[01:33] <daskReech> or two karbon 14
[01:34] <daskReech> KollaborationFrame
[01:34] <jjesse> daskReech: are you a GSoC?
[01:34] <daskReech> no I was working on this from before
[01:34] <Jucato> I doubt he's even pseudocode :)
[01:34] <Jucato> much less summer of code :)
[01:35] <daskReech> but quite a few people submitted to GSoC
[01:35] <daskReech> honestly it happens every year
[01:35] <daskReech> Now there is a much better project for it to fall under
[01:36] <daskReech> and we try and keep all intrested parties involved or at least updated
[01:36] <daskReech> which is how  the krita guys came in
[01:37] <daskReech> I dn't think any of us were thinking about a paint progam for collab
[01:37] <daskReech> And we have Gnome people contributing as well
[01:37] <daskReech> so it's a lot of ideas being thrashed
[01:37] <jjesse> cool, nice to see so much collab
[01:37] <Jucato> make it an FD.o shit
[01:37] <Jucato> er.. s/shit/thing/
[01:37] <daskReech> Exactly
[01:38] <Jucato> sorry
[01:39] <daskReech> i want to have a lightweight server in each app which can be flicked on with a toolbar button
[01:40] <daskReech> as opposed to the Gobby scenario where you must have a heavy server
[01:40] <daskReech> there are very useful scenarios for the heavy server though (persistence, confrences) so that's obvioulsy going to be done as well
[01:41] <jjesse> seems very ambitious
[01:41] <daskReech> that's why we ar starting with kobby :)
[01:41] <daskReech> but keeping all the players in the loop
[01:41] <Jucato> very :)
[01:42] <daskReech> Koffice is very interested
[01:42] <Jucato> hope it works
[01:42] <daskReech> Kdevelop would love this too
[01:42] <daskReech>  they actually have a collaborative framework already in code
[01:42] <Jucato> dude... any app would love it :)
[01:42] <Jucato> (except for klipper...)
[01:42] <daskReech> Jucato: But with  KDE they can all share code :-) and implement it trivially
[01:42] <daskReech> I love KDE :)
[01:43] <daskReech> kgpg ?
[01:43]  * Jucato loves GNOME
[01:43] <Jucato> it's the GNU Network Object Model Environment!! what's not to love about that!
[01:44] <daskReech> the object section
[01:44] <Jucato> huh what?
[01:45] <daskReech> :-)
[01:45] <daskReech> at least you don't like Windows
[01:45] <Jucato> KDE should be KODE, the Kool Object Desktop Environment
[01:45] <Jucato> says who?
[01:45]  * daskReech crowds in a corner and looks at nixternal 
[01:45] <jjesse> what is networkable about GNOME?
[01:45] <Jucato> I'm with nixternal
[01:45] <Jucato> jjesse: the browser
[01:45] <Jucato> :)
[01:45] <daskReech> Gobby! :)
[01:45] <Jucato> Epiphany ftw!!
[01:46] <daskReech> though.. I should stop using gtk = GNOME
[01:46] <Jucato> indeed
[01:46] <daskReech> Oh other ting I was wondering
[01:46] <daskReech> well two things
[01:47] <daskReech> is anyone going to pick up Qtparted?
[01:47] <daskReech> gparted is pretty much dead
[01:47] <jjesse> i've used GNOME, just doesn't do things the way i want it to
[01:47] <jjesse> gparted is dead?  i love gparted
[01:47] <daskReech> lets say stalled
[01:47] <daskReech>  no devs on the project
[01:47] <jjesse> that bootable cd has saved my a$$
[01:47] <daskReech> I know
[01:47]  * Jucato actually uses the Ubuntu CD whenever he needs to partition :)
[01:48] <daskReech> well most bootable CDs focused on some job use Gtk as the basis. Why wouldn't a KDE environment be better for a Live Cd?
[01:48] <daskReech> would it make sense to have some scripts that allowed you to build a KDE live Cd in a failry trivial manner ?
[01:49] <daskReech> that's aside from the qtParted question. I just really think that we should have a fairly robust native Disk management section for System Settigns
[01:49]  * Nightrose pokes jjesse 
[01:50] <daskReech>  and since Gparted is stalled probably a call to move Qtparted up in the visibilty of really cool apps ?
[01:50] <daskReech> Jucato: I went into #compiz-fusion and asked if there was a replacement for Korroa and they told me Ubuntu hardy :0
[01:51] <Jucato> :D
[01:51] <Jucato> I would have thought they would say Sabayon
[01:53] <daskReech> I went into ##apple to ask something about disk management using Leopard and they asked me why would I do that? Get a Ubuntu cd and manage it then reboot into mac OSX
[01:53] <Jucato> lol
[01:53] <Jucato> very Linux-friendly
[01:53] <Jucato> or should I say, "Ubuntu-friendly"
[01:54] <daskReech> I know! It's like the answer to all problems in all channels is well Ubuntu can do that
[01:54] <daskReech> The live CD thing is kinda bugging me though
[01:55] <jjesse> why can i never get my kubuntu vm in windows to never be the right screen size
[01:55] <jjesse> very frustrating
[01:55] <jjesse> the "auto-fit" doesn't seem to work as it does with windows
[01:56]  * Jucato is going to try andLinux one of these days
[01:58] <daskReech> #magiclinux
[01:58] <jjesse> i've been playing with SuSE Enterprise Linux for a bit now
[01:58] <jjesse> pretty nice, but can't get my wireless card to work
[02:05] <daskReech> You know what? I can't get kdesudo to work
[02:05] <daskReech> it will never find the command I pass to it
[02:07] <jjesse> thats a bummer
[02:10] <daskReech> I'll see if it's a general kde4 bug
[02:11] <Jucato> (there's no kdesudo in kde4 ;)
[02:11] <jjesse> what?
[02:11]  * Jucato is hinting that kdesudo is a Kubuntu thing :)
[02:11] <jjesse> ah
[02:11] <Jucato> :D
[02:14] <daskReech> Jucato: I know I meant I don't know if it works in KDE3 on hardy
[02:14] <daskReech> but I seem to have hit a few people in #kubuntu-kde4 who get the same thing
[02:14] <Jucato> gotta love kdesudo :)
[02:15] <jjesse> daskReech: like trying to run kcmshell4 stuff with kdesude
[02:15] <jjesse> kdesudo
[02:16] <daskReech> jjesse: Hmm?
[02:16] <daskReech> kdesudo * fails
[02:16] <jjesse> i've given up configuing network shares through system settings
[02:16] <daskReech> anything you put there will not be found
[02:17] <daskReech> hmm let me try full paths
[02:17] <jjesse> epic fail
[02:18] <jjesse> i've bugged it on bugs.kde.org
[02:18] <jjesse> dont remember the last comment
[02:18] <Jucato> one day I'm going to write an epic.... and title it "Fail"
[02:18] <jjesse> probally was compile it from trunk
[02:18] <daskReech> Ha ha KDE4 apps are not in the path
[02:19] <daskReech> Course that's nearly all the GUI apps I have
[02:19] <Jucato> hm...
[02:19] <Jucato> shouldn't you be feeding it with the *-kde4 counterpart that's in /usr/bin?
[02:20] <jjesse> daskReech: bug 160123 on bugs.kde.org
[02:20] <daskReech> feeding what?
[02:20] <Jucato> feedking kdesudo
[02:20] <jjesse> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160123
[02:20] <daskReech> probably
[02:20] <Jucato> I've been seeing people recommending running the binary direct from the kde4 directory (it's /usr/lib/kde4 right?)
[02:20] <daskReech> Jucato: Yeah that works
[02:21] <daskReech> I tried to think of a non KDE gui app I have
[02:21] <daskReech> \o/ xeyes
[02:21] <daskReech> kdesudo xeyes works
[02:21] <daskReech> kdesudo systemsettings doesn't
[02:21] <Jucato> I think the problem would be that the direct path doesn't set the correct variables that the *-kde4 script in /usr/bin/ does
[02:21] <daskReech> Right
[02:21] <Jucato> kdesudo systemsettings-kde4?
[02:21] <daskReech> so I have the eyes of root following me now
[02:21] <daskReech> Jucato: Nope
[02:21] <daskReech> jsut systemsettings
[02:22] <Jucato> that would run the kde3 systemsettings wouldn't it?
[02:22] <daskReech> I have no KDE3 libs at all on my computer
[02:22] <daskReech> X and KDE4 libs
[02:22] <daskReech>  that is all
[02:22] <jjesse> ok off to walk my dog
[02:22] <Jucato> ah
[02:23] <Jucato> bye jjesse
[02:23] <daskReech> Jucato: remember the Pure KDE4 discussion?
[02:23] <daskReech> and me missing Bsket?
[02:23] <Jucato> yeah
[02:23] <daskReech> Well I do it sucks But I miss akregator as well
[02:23] <daskReech> Mynd helps with basket but ...
[02:45] <seele> daskReech: pong
[02:45] <seele> hmm.. i should try to sleep for a few more hours
[02:46] <Jucato> seele: go!! daskReech is not that important to lose sleep over :)
[02:47] <daskReech> seele: sleep I'll talk to you in the future
[02:51] <daskReech> Jucato: Ah another bug that irritated me. Can Gwenview save now?
[02:51] <Jucato> save?
[02:52] <seele> daskReech: you mean Save As?
[02:52] <Jucato> gwenview has one of the purtiest UI's :)
[02:54] <daskReech> Yeah
[02:54] <daskReech> seele: Sleep! I'll be tempted to talk to you if you hang around here
[02:55] <Jucato> nope. it can't
[02:55] <Jucato> weird :)
[02:55] <daskReech> so whats a pretty thing like you hanging around a place like this for anyway? ;-)
[02:55] <daskReech> grrrr
[03:41] <daskReech> Jucato: Bugging you again :)
[03:41] <daskReech> can you mousewheel in File Selecor dialogs?
[03:42] <Jucato> daskReech: open/save file dialogs?
[03:44] <Jucato> mousewheel in what sense?
[03:47] <daskReech> When I mousewheel in the dialog it doesn't scroll through the contents I have to use the scroll bar
[03:47] <daskReech> nothing else makes it move
[04:13] <nixternal> quit talking about me when I am not around :p
[04:15] <daskReech> Jucato_: You hear someone? sounds like someone was typing
[04:46] <daskReech> Jucato_: Hey loooked who popped up in #kubuntu
[04:47] <Jucato> daskReech: ping
[04:48] <daskReech> Jucato: pong
[04:48] <Jucato> do you mean the selection doesn't move from 1 item to another or the whole view doesn't scroll down/up?
[04:49] <daskReech> Nothing moves when I mouse whell
[04:49] <daskReech> eel
[04:49] <daskReech> wheel
[04:49] <Jucato> eel
[04:50] <Jucato> moves here. I set the view to be detailed view so that I have unseen items, then I mouse wheel to scroll up/down
[04:50] <daskReech> hmm let me try that
[04:51] <daskReech> Jucato: mm I guess looking at it like that it makes sense
[04:51] <daskReech> F6 won't scroll but F7 will
[04:52] <Jucato> it scrolls here (sideways)
[04:52] <daskReech> Hmm
[04:52] <daskReech> doesn't here
[04:52] <Jucato> so might be fixed in trunk
[04:53] <Jucato> if there's nothing else, we can start talking about nixternal while he's not here
[04:53] <nixternal> I am here
[04:53] <Jucato> ok stopping :)
[04:53] <nixternal> talking in another channel about good ol' navy times :p
[04:53] <Jucato> hahah
[04:53] <Jucato> in the navy!!
[04:53] <Jucato> isn't there a song like that? YMCA song?
[04:53] <daskReech> One of those descriptions is a lie!!!
[04:53] <daskReech> Yeah
[04:54] <Jucato> er.. village people I mean
[04:54] <daskReech> nixternal dresses up for it all the time
[04:54] <nixternal> my uniforms wouldn't fit me if I tried
[04:54] <Jucato> I can only imagine :)
[04:54] <Jucato> you must be *very* small back then if that's the case :)
[04:54] <Jucato> er no.. *very* normal (size)
[04:55] <Jucato> btw, tron guy went to UDS?
[04:55] <Jucato> is that the same tron guy you posed with?
[04:55] <daskReech> :-)
[04:55] <Jucato> oh crap this "Restore Session?" dialog box is annoying me!
[04:55] <nixternal> Jucato: yes...jono was at penguicon too
[04:56] <Jucato> but I don't want to disable it because, knowing konq, I won't be able to get it back when I need it
[04:56] <nixternal> we were the drunk crowd
[04:56] <nixternal> me, jorge, jono, and the entire michigan loco were stupid drunk 99.9% of the time
[04:57] <nixternal> I wish I had video of jorge on that friday night....me, jono, and mako laughed so damn hard we about we ourselves
[04:57] <Jucato> :D
[04:57] <Jucato> we about we ourselves? :)
[04:57] <daskReech> wii
[04:57] <Jucato> I thought so :)
[04:57]  * Jucato thinks someone's still drunk :D
[04:57] <nixternal> wet
[04:57] <Jucato> aaaah
[04:57] <Jucato> wee as in pee :)
[04:58] <nixternal> I wish jono would post the pics he has of us at penguicon...I know he has one of me standing up on a barstool with my hat sideways rapping to mc hammer or something
[04:58] <Jucato> hm... I just love these "Don't show again" dialog boxes.. that really have no way of showing again once you set it...
[04:58] <nixternal> and I know he has mako and mika getting rickrolled
[04:59] <Jucato> well I still have that pic of you and jorge on my disk
[04:59] <Jucato> blackmail material
[04:59] <nixternal> hehe, the world has that one
[05:00] <Jucato> not easily accessible/discoverable :)
[05:00]  * Jucato can make it so, by putting it in his sig in every post he makes to the planets or mailing lists or forums :)
[05:04] <daskReech> Ha ha
[05:07] <nixternal> hahahaha
[05:08] <nixternal> I can easily make a gimp'd image of ya and post it for the world to see!
[05:08] <daskReech> give him big Gnome feet :-)
[05:08] <Jucato> nothing beats "the real thing" TM of course :)
[05:08] <nixternal> there are a couple of webcam shots of ya, I can easily gimp that in and put you on some live adult chat website :p
[05:09]  * Jucato doesn't even have a webcam :)
[05:09] <daskReech> Hmm that might give him a side income while he IRCes
[05:09] <Jucato> great idea!! :)
[05:09]  * Jucato amuses himself with Magical Trevor vids in the meantime
[05:22] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[05:23]  * daskReech slowly reads through aseigos' response
[05:24] <nixternal> hehe
[05:24] <nixternal> just finished it myself
[05:35] <nixternal> damn, no UDS VoIP this time around..that stinks
[05:38]  * nixternal beds
[05:49] <daskReech> Nightrose: in bed?
[05:50] <mhb> mornin
[05:51] <mhb> 06:52
[05:51] <mhb> the bad thing about UDS is that it's not really around the corner :o) but still better than somewhere in the U.S. :o)
[06:04] <mhb> good morning ScottK-uds
[06:04] <ScottK-uds> Good morning.
[06:07] <mhb> hmm hmm, finally a schedule up on the wiki.ubuntu.com UDS site
[06:09] <ScottK-uds> Don't get to attached to it.  It changes a lot.
[06:09] <mhb> right.
[06:09] <mhb> so there'll be stuff for us Kubuntu folks to do, contrary to what is says, I hope :o)
[06:10] <mhb> s/ is / it /
[06:11] <mhb> should I wear anything formal-ish or is a t-shirt okay?
[06:12] <mhb> well I guess there's no need for that, but just making sure :o)
[06:12] <ScottK-uds> Just make sure the T-shirt isn't too formal. ;-)
[06:18] <ScottK-uds> mhb: One thing we need to keep in mind for UDS is looking at things Ubuntu is doing that we ought to do to, so we aren't 'behind'.
[06:18] <mhb> that's true.
[06:19]  * mhb is feeling a bit nervous
[06:19] <mhb> this "going into a new environment" always gets me.
[06:19] <ScottK-uds> mhb: It's OK to feel excited.  Don't feel nervous.
[06:20]  * ScottK-uds goes off to get ready ...
[06:23] <mhb> ScottK-uds: it's the shy me :o)
[06:31] <mhb> just in case: this is what I may look like: http://mhb.ath.cx/tmp/me.jpg
[06:31] <mhb> so if you notice me there, please say hello :o)
[06:32] <daskReech> T-shirt is waaay to formal
[06:32] <daskReech> bermuda shorts top
[06:32] <mhb> daskReech: right, but I can't go out there in shorts, it's too cold :o)
[06:32] <yuriy> yuck internet died
[06:32] <mhb> rest in peace
[06:32] <mhb> I'm going to miss it
[06:33] <mhb> but now... UDS time! I have to get there, see you folks there, or in this channel in an hour or so :o)
[06:33] <daskReech> :)
[06:34] <yuriy> Riddell: firefox integration is much of a problem. I think it's one of the most common complaints about kubuntu on forums, there's a spec or two for it, and some bugs. basically gtk dialogs suck and kubuntu users shouldn't have to deal with them
[06:36] <daskReech> firefox-kubuntu package which points to konqueror with a firefox skin ? :0
[06:55] <yuriy> Riddell: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/firefox-kde-support, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/firefox-qt-kubuntu, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-gtk-theme, bugs 43238, 49568, 220798, 138756, 220504, 193538, 222122 and more.  can't find any interesting forum thread right now. this might be useful: http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/05/06/well-isnt-that-qt/
[06:55] <yuriy> sorry for the flood :(
[08:45] <Riddell> ScottK-uds: ccc
[08:49] <ScottK-uds> Riddell: I'm in the server team room for the first roundtable.
[08:50] <Riddell> oh you and your server fettish :)
[08:50] <Riddell> if you see tonio or mhb poke them towards the desktop room at the end of the other corridor
[08:50] <\sh> lol
[08:50] <ScottK-uds> It looks like I should be able to make all the KDE stuff.
[08:51] <ScottK-uds> Riddell: I will.
[08:52] <etretyak> Sigh.. How I wish to be now at UDS... :-\
[08:52] <davmor2> Riddell: have you got any Idea how we can voip in to UDS there's nothing on the wiki at the bottom it just says info to come https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-Intrepid
[08:53] <\sh> davmor2, spads and all sysadmins @uds are setting up the infrastructure still...
[08:54] <davmor2> \sh: that would explain it then
[08:54] <\sh> davmor2, #canonical-sysadmin is mostly the right place to apply for later...when it's setup
[08:55] <Riddell> da	see http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-intrepid/2008-05-19/index.html
[08:55] <Riddell> voip and icecast links at top of each room
[08:55] <Riddell> davmor2:
[08:55] <Riddell> don't know if it works yet
[08:56] <\sh> bah...amarok doesn't like the oggstream yet
[08:57] <davmor2> Thanks guys :)
[08:59] <daskReech> Riddell: should I contact teh jasper guys as regards teh license?
[08:59] <Riddell> daskReech: who? what?
[09:00] <daskReech> Riddell: jasper! license!
[09:00] <Riddell> what's jasper, why does it need a licence
[09:01] <mhb> Riddell: where are you?
[09:01] <daskReech> libjasper-runtime is waht does the jpegsequencing for kopete to show webcams
[09:01] <mhb> Riddell: Tonio and me looked for you, but couldn't find you
[09:01] <Riddell> mhb: Volga, desktop roundtable, end of the corridor that wasn't where the intro was
[09:01] <daskReech> Kopete doesn't depend on it but ya need it for webcam viewing
[09:01] <mhb> Riddell: also, good morning
[09:02] <mhb> hmm
[09:02] <daskReech> Riddell: Issue is that for Kopete-kde4 they code had to be changed to use a jasper executable instead of libjasper due to licensing conflicts
[09:02] <daskReech> Kubuntu doesn't package a jasper package only libjasper
[09:02] <Riddell> what's the libjasper licence?
[09:03] <daskReech> So The choices are eitehr make a jasper executabe or contact them on the license
[09:03] <daskReech> Gpl V2 I think
[09:03] <Riddell> no conflict there
[09:04] <daskReech> http://www.ece.uvic.ca/~mdadams/jasper/LICENSE
[09:04] <mhb> Riddell: ScottK with you there?
[09:04] <daskReech> I"m reading up now
[09:04] <Riddell> 09:01 < Riddell> mhb: Volga, desktop roundtable, end of the corridor that wasn't where the intro was
[09:05] <Riddell> oh, doh
[09:05] <Riddell> mhb: no, he's in server
[09:05] <mhb> ah
[09:05] <ScottK-uds> mhb: I'm here, but in server.
[09:05] <daskReech> Nope
[09:05] <Riddell> daskReech: /usr/share/doc/libjasper1/copyright says BSD
[09:05] <mhb> ScottK-uds: right
[09:05] <daskReech> not GPL :)
[09:05] <seele> daskReech: what are you doing awake?
[09:06] <mhb> hmm, so I guess I have to wait until you end those sessions :o)
[09:06] <daskReech> seele: Who says I'm awake
[09:06] <mhb> eh, those sessions end
[09:06] <daskReech> I just have nice cron jobs
[09:06] <daskReech> Let me go get my dogs
[09:07] <mhb> Riddell: are we planning to do more Kubuntu than is planned today or are you booked full?
[09:08] <mhb> some unplanned sessions would be nice, especially because I have the whole day free
[09:08] <Riddell> mhb: you are encouraged to join us for the roundtable :)
[09:08] <mhb> Riddell: am I?
[09:08] <mhb> Okay then!
[09:09] <Riddell> of course
[09:09] <seele> mhb: bring a sweater.. it's cold in here
[09:09] <mhb> going there.
[09:09] <daskReech> seele: See you later :)
[09:09] <seele> daskReech: *wave*
[09:09] <Riddell> daskReech: no licence problems there then
[09:14] <daskReech> Riddell: seems not :)
[09:16] <mhb> so...
[09:22] <mhb> Riddell: you really think we have nothing to discuss (we = Kubuntu) otherwise than what's planned?
[09:22] <mhb> that makes today a bit empty, I must say.
[09:23] <mhb> (you didn't say that, I just assumed from your facial expression :o)
[09:24] <Riddell> oh I'm sure we have thing
[09:24] <Riddell> things
[09:24] <Riddell> travis behind you there wants to talk about compiz in kubuntu
[09:24] <seele> we could hijack one of the open conference rooms for some kde bonding
[09:25] <mhb> seele: I'd second that
[09:25] <ScottK-uds> Sounds good.
[09:26] <Riddell> I'd like to be in on the start of single sign on
[09:30] <davmor2> \sh: try the icecasts now they should be up
[09:31] <Riddell> mhb: so say 11:30, pick a room, we'll have a Kubuntu Bonding session
[09:32] <seele> maybe we should call it something else.  we wouldnt want people to get the wrong idea ;P
[09:33] <Riddell> Kubuntu Group Hug!
[09:33] <mhb> my idea, too
[09:33]  * mhb hugs Riddell
[09:42] <Riddell> probably in the open area is easiest
[09:51] <seele> KDE Group HUg in Clyde (Suite 1)
[09:51] <mhb> hmm, change of places?
[09:51] <mhb> seele: I'll get there then.
[09:51] <seele> oh?  where was it to begin with?
[09:51] <mhb>           11:30 open area, Kubuntu Group Hug
[09:51] <seele> mhb: i didnt see it on the board
[09:52] <seele> ooh
[09:52] <mhb> not on the board, just here in /topic
[09:53] <Hobbsee> oh, kubuntu release schedule discussions again?
[09:54] <mhb> seele: so, here or there?
[09:59] <Riddell> mhb: open are amight be too noisy
[10:00] <Riddell> mhb: can you find tonio and ken and tell them?
[10:01]  * Riddell finds ken
[10:05] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: ping
[10:26] <mhb> Riddell: Tonio left in the morning, haven't met him afterwards, he said he has some business related stuff
[11:21] <Riddell> mhb: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSPragueSpecs
[11:36] <danimo> has anyone ever tried to build kde4 from scratch using the packages from hardy backports? because kdebase require qt4-opengl-dev and that one conflicts with qt4-dev as it seems
[11:37] <danimo> Riddell: ^^
[11:44] <Riddell> danimo: meh, it's an upgrade issue of some sort, I'm unlikely to be able to fix it this week, just use dpkg --install ... --force-overwrite for now
[11:45] <danimo> ok
[11:54] <danimo> Riddell: on a similar note: do you happen to know why network-manager ist at version 0.6.6 while network-manager-dev is at 0.7 (svn)
[11:54] <danimo> ?
[12:36] <Riddell> danimo: mm, nope, where does apt-cache policy network-manager-dev say that 0.7 is coming from?
[12:36] <Riddell> do you have my ~jr PPA enabled still?
[12:36] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:38] <Riddell> version 0.7~~svn20080121t191418+eni1-0ubuntu0~pre7 is my PPA, you don't want that
[12:47] <danimo> Riddell: yes
[12:47] <danimo> Riddell: right
[12:47] <danimo> Riddell: but how to get back?
[12:47] <danimo> I think I can just remove your archive..
[12:50] <Riddell> remove my archive from sources.list
[12:50] <danimo> done already
[12:50] <Riddell> apt-get remove network-manager-dev; apt-get install network-manager-dev
[12:50] <danimo> the file was just stuck
[12:51] <danimo> Riddell: pitty we can't use the solid 0.7 backend that way
[12:51] <Riddell> danimo: which way?
[12:51] <danimo> Riddell: with 0.6.6
[12:52] <Riddell> well you can try and use my 0.7 package but I suspect it's out of date
[12:53] <Riddell> I see the qt overlapping files issue now, it's not just an upgrade issue the file really is in both packages, how silly of me
[12:54] <danimo> Riddell: no, that breaks the shit out of knetworkmanager
[12:54] <Riddell> right, but you can't have it both ways as far as I know
[12:56] <danimo> *shrug* :)
[12:56] <jussi01> there are no issues with having 2 ssh keys in LP are there?
[12:56] <Tm_T> shouldn't be
[12:58] <jussi01> :) just forgot to get my new one from home :)
[13:01] <Riddell> I wonder if this qt 4 source package will build before my battery runs out
[13:01] <Tm_T> heh
[13:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: only if you apply more gaffer.
[13:02] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'm pulling my hairs off with my cpu, spending now second day building KDE4
[13:02] <mhb> hola!
[13:03] <Tm_T> hola hola mhb
[13:03] <Riddell> Tm_T: if you have hairs in your CPU that will probably slow it down :)
[13:03] <mhb> hey Tm_T
[13:04] <Tm_T> Riddell: indeed, that's what I thought too, but wasn't sure ;)
[13:07]  * jussi01 sighs... I hate it when I try to do things, and it makes me feel like a total #?%%
[13:27] <mhb> ryanakca: ping
[13:28] <nixternal> what's the link to the icecast streams
[13:28] <mhb> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-intrepid/2008-05-19/index.html
[13:28] <mhb> you'll find it all there
[13:28] <nixternal> thank you sir
[13:28] <mhb> you are most welcome, my lord
[13:30] <nixternal> haha
[13:30] <nixternal> anything good go on today?
[13:31] <mhb> nixternal: lunch
[13:31] <nixternal> hehe
[13:31] <mhb> nixternal: there's Firefox KDE integration, you'd love that :o)
[13:31] <mhb> nixternal: nothing for me
[13:33] <mhb> there's the big kubuntu-release-schedule talk
[13:33] <mhb> which I expect will turn into a heated discussion
[13:33] <mhb> (I'm not a big fan of it)
[13:35] <nixternal> me either
[13:35] <nixternal> Firefox KDE integration == sudo apt-get --purge remove firefox*
[13:35] <Lure> mhb: why would kubuntu-release-schedule talk get heated?
[13:36] <mhb> Lure: because I don't like the idea, and you know how heated I can get? :o)
[13:37] <nixternal> actually, there are some good integration points in the forums for firefox...which really amount to having firefox use the KDE downloader and print stuff
[13:37] <mhb> nixternal: I'm checking them as we speak
[13:38] <mhb> nixternal: it doesn't seem to replace the Firefox print dialog.
[13:38] <mhb> Lure: how about you?
[13:38] <mhb> Lure: do you like that idea?
[13:38] <Lure> mhb: still getting to LP page...
[13:39] <jjesse> what session are we talking about?
[13:39] <mhb> Kubuntu Release Schedule
[13:39] <mhb> it's not on yet
[13:39] <mhb> it'll be later in the afternoon
[13:39] <jjesse> oh cool
[13:40] <mhb> VoIP and Icecast is available, so you can all tune in and communicate with us via IRC
[13:40] <jjesse> yay
[13:40] <mhb> usually, IRC channel is broadcast via a projector
[13:41] <mhb> so you can listen in and write, for instance.
[13:41] <jjesse> yay
[13:41]  * Lure does not find kubuntu-release-schedule on LP... :-(
[13:41] <mhb> jjesse: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-intrepid/2008-05-19/index.html
[13:41] <jjesse> mhb: i am
[13:42] <mhb> jjesse: there are links for that.
[13:42] <Lure> mhb: is there any write up of proposal?
[13:42] <mhb> Lure: hmm, I know about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuUDSPragueSpecs
[13:43] <Lure> mhb: ok, I recall seeing that paragraph, but I thought there is already some more info
[13:43] <mhb> Lure: I'll ask Riddell once this talk ends
[13:43] <Lure> mhb: I do not believe that this is at all possible (to go against ubuntu schedule)
[13:44] <Lure> mhb: it will just mean we are more unstable
[13:44] <mhb> Lure: me neither, but someone brought it up
[13:44] <Lure> mhb: in general I do not see a problem being 1-2 month behind kde release
[13:44] <Lure> mhb: this gives us some early feedback (both from beta as well as backports for older release)
[13:45] <mhb> correct.
[13:45] <Lure> mhb: and I think that kde release dates are not carved in stone yet
[13:45] <mhb> Keep your opinions warm for the talk.
[13:45] <mhb> :o)
[13:45] <Lure> mhb: no time to participte during the session
[13:45] <nixternal> hehe, than we shall copy and paste :)
[13:45]  * Lure has almost zero time recently for kubuntu hacking :-(
[13:46] <mhb> too bad.
[13:46] <mhb> :o)
[13:50] <Lure> mhb: yeah, both work and personal life get in trhe way sometime ;-)
[13:54] <mhb> Lure: I know
[13:54] <mhb> Lure: I wish my personal life got in the way :o)
[13:55] <mhb> unfortunately, it's all school now
[13:55] <seele> mhb: how many more semesters do you have?
[13:55] <mhb> close to infinite :o)
[13:55] <mhb> at least 8
[13:55] <mhb> seele: where are you?
[13:56] <seele> mhb: my room charging my laptop
[13:56] <mhb> seele: I've compiled the kgrubeditor and wanted to show it to you, but didn't get the chance
[13:56] <seele> (and maybe take a nap :D
[13:56] <mhb> ah
[13:56] <mhb> good idea.
[13:56] <mhb> see you around.
[13:56] <seele> ok.. show it to me later
[13:56] <mhb> right, no rush...
[13:58] <Lure> mhb: who else is there at uds?
[13:58] <Lure> from kubuntu/kde
[13:58] <Riddell> Lure: there's no specs in launchpad yet
[13:59] <mhb> Lure: me, ScottK, Riddell (obviously), seele, Tonio_
[13:59] <mhb> kwwii, if you still count him :o)
[13:59]  * jdavies failed at coming
[13:59] <Lure> Riddell: regarding kubuntu-community: I am fine to step down from council as recently have ENOTIME, so feel free to fine better candidates with more involvement (should not be hard)
[14:00] <mhb> Lure: hmm, it might be a tad harder than you think :o)
[14:00] <Lure> jdavies: how come?
[14:00] <Hobbsee> Lure: heh, another one
[14:00] <Lure> mhb: why?
[14:00] <mhb> Lure: I'm not much active either these days ... in fact, very few people are.
[14:00] <Lure> Hobbsee: I just do not have time currently to follow what is going on
[14:00] <jdavies> Lure: don't have ~180euros for passport
[14:01] <mhb> jdavies: how come the passport is so freaking expensive?
[14:01] <Hobbsee> Lure: yeah, i can understand.  i already stepped down
[14:01] <Lure> I hope it will get better for this cycle, but cannot see it right now
[14:02] <mhb> jdavies: also, I'm sure we would have figured it somehow, it's money, but not too much.
[14:02] <jdavies> mhb: best ask: http://tinyurl.com/yowj9m
[14:02] <mhb> jdavies: "freaking expensive" for a piece of paper
[14:02] <Lure> mhb: but we have new/old powers in ScottK, apachelogger ...
[14:02] <Lure> jdavies: you cannot travel to Prague with ID card only?
[14:03] <jdavies> Lure: don't have one
[14:03] <Lure> jdavies: you are my hero! true beliver that the only ID he needs is gpg key!
[14:03] <nixternal> lol
[14:03] <mhb> I guess he doesn't have one because of a different reason
[14:04] <mhb> jdavies: but still, you should have come. I feel so young without you
[14:04] <jdavies> There are no British ID cards ;-)
[14:04] <Riddell> ...yet
[14:04] <Lure> mhb: did you need visa this time around? ;-)
[14:04] <mhb> Lure: no :o) they don't check the public transportation for terrorists here.
[14:04]  * jdavies -> class
[14:05] <Lure> jdavies: true that, but you are in spain currently? no id's there?
[14:05] <jdavies> Lure: those are for nationals only, foreigners get "residence cards"
[14:05] <mhb> I've got some time on my hands folks
[14:05] <jdavies> mhb: next time I will ;-)
[14:05] <mhb> jdavies: right, but then I won't be there :o)
[14:05] <mhb> :o(
[14:06] <mhb> most likely.
[14:06] <mhb> anyways.
[14:06] <mhb> I've got an hour or two free now, and I need something to keep myself busy with.
[14:06] <nixternal> I will be at the one in the fall (about time right)
[14:06] <mhb> Give me something to do, please.
[14:07] <mhb> all them Kubuntuers disappeared, so here I am, sitting alone and desiring to do some wild Kubuntu hacking or fixing.
[14:08] <mhb> nobody has a personal favourite bug that they want fixed pretty badly, and it's just an hour of hacking?
[14:09] <Hobbsee> mhb: fix bugs!
[14:09] <mhb> please...
[14:09] <mhb> :o)
[14:09] <mhb> Hobbsee: right, but which ones?
[14:09] <Hobbsee> mhb: implement the qt firefox stuff
[14:09] <mhb> qt firefox stuff?
[14:11] <Hobbsee> mhb: the spec on firefox looking kde-ish still exists, does'nt it?
[14:11] <Hobbsee> it's been rostered on later
[14:13] <mhb> I guess so, it should be discussed today.
[14:14]  * Hobbsee last time thought the discussions ended up in "we want to do this, but have no one to do it, so further discussions are moot"
[14:14] <mhb> I'm predicting that today, too
[14:16] <mhb> argh, the API site is c**ppy
[14:17] <Riddell> mhb: something to do in an hour, find the SRU bugs for kaffeine, kde4libs, kdebase and check the test cases work
[14:20] <mhb> Riddell: are those distinguishable? Fix commited or something?
[14:20] <Riddell> mhb: look in the changelog, or hardy-changes
[14:27] <mhb> Riddell: hmm, checking them.
[14:27] <mhb> Riddell: why did you remove the DVD Codec install?
[14:28] <mhb> no explanation in the bug
[14:28] <Riddell> turns out to be illegal in countries we care about
[14:28] <mhb> like U.S?
[14:28] <Riddell> mm hmm
[14:28] <mhb> I don't care about the guys that won't even let me into their country!
[14:28] <mhb> :o)
[14:29] <mhb> jokes aside...
[14:29] <mhb> I understand, and I really regret that - twas a great thing.
[14:29] <mhb> Riddell: are you absolutely positive that offering to download a thing from a third party is illegal in those countries?
[14:30] <Riddell> through a GUI it is
[14:30] <mhb> it seems kind of absurd to me, like talking about guns would be a crime.
[14:30] <Riddell> yes, it is
[14:31] <mhb> Riddell: so all of the codec installation was deleted, or just the DVD part?
[14:31] <Riddell> no, just the dvdcss bit replaced with a "run this script" dialogue
[14:32] <mhb> hmm, now where do I get a video DVD :o)
[14:33] <Riddell> you can just run the command in /usr/share/services/kaffeine_xine-install-dvdcss.desktop
[14:33] <mhb> Are you sure it should tell me that the DVD is encrypted even though there's no DVD in the drive?
[14:34] <mhb> the message appears alright, only it should actually appear if and only if a DVD is encrypted and present
[14:35] <Riddell> well normally that script is only run by kaffeine if it comes across an encrypted dvd
[14:35] <Riddell> if you run it manually it will lie
[14:36] <mhb> I don't run it manually.
[14:36] <mhb> I just clicked on the "Play DVD" button in Kaffeine.
[14:36] <Riddell> hmm, sounds like you found a bug :)
[14:36] <mhb> seems like it.
[14:37] <Riddell> yes, I confirm
[14:37]  * txwikinger gets out the bugsquasher
[14:37] <nixternal> same here
[14:38] <Riddell> however, that's not related to this paticular SRU
[14:38] <mhb> no, it was there from the start, I guess.
[14:41] <mhb> Riddell: also, during our Kubuntu Group Hug we discovered with seele that there's no kmilo or equivalent in KDE4.
[14:41] <nixternal> kmilo isn't being maintained for kde4
[14:41] <Riddell> yep, needs pondering in the kde4-porting session
[14:41] <mhb> Riddell: is that a bug or a very strange feature, or nobody bothered to port that yet?
[14:42] <mhb> ah.
[14:42] <mhb> just what I thought.
[14:42] <mhb> well, I need a project for the summer
[14:42] <Riddell> kmilo died, it doesn't really solve the problem in the right way
[14:42] <nixternal> Riddell: kmilo was apart of the kde-utils talk recently
[14:42] <mhb> so this might be a candidate.
[14:50] <mhb> hmm, that's the first time Adept Notifier actually correctly told me when to reboot a system
[14:50] <mhb> and I wasn't using Adept for upgrades...
[14:50] <mhb> nice
[14:51] <Riddell> seele: is your new phone nokia by any chance?
[14:52] <mhb> Riddell: hmm, two test cases, two bugs :o)
[14:52] <Riddell> uh oh
[14:52] <mhb> Riddell: I've checked the "Cannot Launch Games" bug
[14:52] <mhb> if you happen to remember it
[14:53] <Riddell> yep
[14:53] <mhb> KDE4, when you launch krunner, and try to start apps like "Atlantik" by typing a few letters and clicking on them, it says "KDEInit: Couldn't launch ..."
[14:54] <mhb> it does exactly that on an unpatched system.
[14:54] <Riddell> mm, that happens with kde 4 krunner and kde 3 apps, I don't know why
[14:54] <mhb> the fix, however, fixes it only partially
[14:54] <mhb> you can launch the application
[14:54] <mhb> but you still get the same message when you close it
[14:54] <Riddell> it's an unrelated problem
[14:54] <Riddell> (I think)
[14:55] <mhb> also, krunner stays open the whole time
[14:55] <Riddell> yep
[14:55] <mhb> OK.
[14:55] <mhb> but the application launches, so it's only half-broken.
[14:55] <mhb> hmm, time for a break!
[14:55] <mhb> afterwards, we do have a session on KDE and Firefox, right?
[14:55] <Riddell> mhb: please add results to those bug reports then
[14:56] <mhb> I will, I already submit that kaffeine bug.
[14:56] <Riddell> mhb: yes, we do seem to, guess we'll see what asac has in mind
[15:00] <mhb> I'll meet you either there or in the lobby then.
[15:04] <Riddell> ScottK-uds: question for you on #kde-devel
[15:04] <Riddell> well, if you know about bulletproof x
[15:05] <seele> Riddell: motorola
[15:08] <Hobbsee> manchicken!
[15:08] <ScottK-uds> Riddell: Joined
[15:08] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Howdy :)
[15:08] <ScottK-uds> Riddell: I'll be glad to share what little I know.
[15:10] <Hobbsee> manchicken: tis the traitor :P
[15:10] <manchicken> Hobbsee: You say that like it's a bad thing :)
[15:10] <Hobbsee> manchicken: well, in this channel it is :P
[15:12] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Are saying I shouldn't join?
[15:15] <Hobbsee> manchicken: no.  but they might want you to help out :P
[15:15]  * Hobbsee is also a traitor, remember
[15:15] <manchicken> heh
[15:15] <Hobbsee> and they haven't thrown me out yet
[15:15] <manchicken> True enough.
[15:37] <jjesse> wow that was a pain to figure out... antivirus corrupted and messed up network settings
[15:38] <Nightrose> hmm the stream for the oder room doesn't seem to be the firefox session... - did it get moved to another room?
[15:38]  * yuriy is wondering the same thing
[15:38] <yuriy> also it's breaking up a lot
[15:38] <Nightrose> yea
[15:38]  * txwikinger can't understand anything on the streams
[15:38] <jjesse> bummer don't have a chance right now to listen in
[15:40] <mhb> Nightrose: nope
[15:40] <mhb> Nightrose: we're in that room
[15:40] <Nightrose> hmmm- the stream is about kernel stuff I'd say
[15:40] <Nightrose> :(
[15:41] <mhb> really?
[15:41] <ScottK-uds> They combined two rooms to make the server room bigger.  Some stuff got moved around.
[15:41] <mhb> hmm
[15:41] <mhb> they can't change room names, can they?
[15:42] <mhb> try some other channel, then :o)
[15:42] <ScottK-uds> I'm not sure what they did with the room that got moved.
[15:42] <Nightrose> well it is hard to say what they are about since the audio is really crappy ;-)
[15:42] <Nightrose> so listening in and figuring out if it is the right room is kinda hard
[15:42] <mhb> they're talking about XDG and how GNOME and KDE figures content type
[15:42] <Nightrose> k will check
[15:43] <mhb> a bit uninteresting, to be honest
[15:43] <yuriy> mhb: what room?
[15:43] <seele> *yawn*
[15:43] <seele> yuriy: Oder in Suite 2
[15:44] <mhb> seele: my thought exactly :o)
[15:44]  * yuriy will try again and see if it doesn't sound like kernel talk this time
[15:46] <jdavies> mhb: aww
[15:46] <Nightrose> hmm neither of them is about firefox as far as i can tell
[15:46] <mhb> jdavies: aww?
[15:46] <Nightrose> but the first two streams sounds like it is the same session
[15:46] <Nightrose> meh
[15:46] <jdavies> mhb: that you won't be there :(
[15:47] <mhb> jdavies: yeah, well, that's the rule..
[15:47] <mhb> Nightrose: believe me, invest your time in something else
[15:47] <Nightrose> hehe
[15:47] <Nightrose> ok
[15:47] <mhb> Nightrose: did you enjoy Fosscamp?
[15:47] <mhb> you should have stayed for uds
[15:47] <Nightrose> i did
[15:47] <Nightrose> yea :(
[15:48] <Nightrose> would have loved to
[15:49] <Nightrose> ah yea - that was pitti talking - so definitely the gues account session on the oder stream
[15:49] <Nightrose> *guest
[15:50] <mhb> pitti?
[15:50] <mhb> hmm, so it's not this one
[15:50] <Nightrose> yea
[15:51] <txwikinger> which stream is anything good going on right now?
[15:52] <Nightrose> txwikinger: rhine might be interesting for you
[15:52] <txwikinger> what are the times anyway? UTC,or local?
[15:52] <mhb> local
[15:53] <txwikinger> Prague is MESZ so UK+1, right
[15:53] <mhb> MESZ?
[15:53] <mhb> we call it CEST
[15:53] <jussi01> where can you get these strams?
[15:53] <Nightrose> jussi01: see topic
[15:53] <Nightrose> there are links
[15:54] <jussi01> Nightrose: ahh... I did look at that, bu thought it was some sort of archive thing :)
[15:54] <txwikinger> mhb: That is confusing for me... EST or CST :D
[15:54] <Nightrose> ;-)
[15:54] <mhb> txwikinger: central european summer time or something
[15:55] <jdavies> txwikinger: CEST
[15:55] <txwikinger> mbh: I know... MESZ = Mitteleuropäische Sommerzeit
[15:55] <nixternal> 09:38:30 [  twitter] rrr0321: 14 tons of double stuffed oreo's spilled on interstate 80 near Morris, IL. Need a milk truck now
[15:55] <jdavies> oops, /reads up
[15:55] <jussi01> sigh... I dont have voip :/
[15:55] <txwikinger> nixternal: Got milk?
[15:55] <nixternal> hahaha, that made me lol
[15:55] <nixternal> almost a rofl
[15:56] <Nightrose> jussi01: then use the stream ;-)
[15:56] <Nightrose> although quality is crappy from time to tim
[15:56] <Nightrose> e
[15:56] <yuriy> mhb: for bug 218138 is it the same error message?
[15:56] <yuriy> what you describe sounds like what happens on my laptop with kate
[15:56] <mhb> KDEInit could not launch '/usr/games/atlantik'.
[15:57] <yuriy> so that's different because it actually has the right path
[15:57] <mhb> it does.
[15:57] <mhb> it launches it.
[15:57] <mhb> but it won't quit and complains eventually.
[15:57] <yuriy> mhb: does that happen to you with other applications?
[15:57] <yuriy> i mean, i think that's a separate problem
[15:57] <mhb> hmm
[15:57] <mhb> it may be
[15:58] <mhb> it happens for every app, as long as you select it from krunner
[15:58] <mhb> it may be separate.
[15:58] <mhb> you can't reproduce it?
[15:58] <mhb> can anyone?
[15:58] <mhb> with your latest patch
[15:59] <yuriy> mhb: did it never happen without the patch?
[15:59] <mhb> not sure now.
[15:59] <mhb> The bug you wrote about was there.
[15:59] <mhb> but I didn't check for this one.
[16:00] <yuriy> hmm I can't reproduce that problem right now either, but I know I've run into it before
[16:03] <Nightrose> yay - now the streams are gone :(
[16:03] <yuriy> bug 225783 could be related
[16:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i told you about the .hidden/...deskt1op showing up in kickoff problem with neon right? I just saw that dragon player has the same problem here
[16:08] <mhb> hmm, now it gets interesting
[16:08] <jjesse> yay?
[16:08] <mhb> some firefox folks talking about Firefox eventually supporting Qt
[16:08] <mhb> so you could build FF with Qt support without the GTK deps.
[16:09] <jjesse> that owould be nice
[16:10] <yuriy> ah yes indeed that would be interesting
[16:11]  * vorian waves
[16:11] <yuriy> plenty of requests for that, and some info here: http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/05/06/well-isnt-that-qt/
[16:11]  * yuriy wishes the stream worked
[16:12] <mhb> the sessions ends now
[16:12] <mhb> next Kubuntu in Desktop
[16:12]  * jjesse wishes he was there
[16:12] <txwikinger> which room?
[16:13] <mhb> check it out for yourself :o)
[16:13] <txwikinger> :p
[16:24]  * yuriy thinks shifting the release schedule away from Ubuntu is a terrible idea. but maybe something good to discuss would be how well our freeze dates fit with the KDE release schedule
[17:41] <fdoving> Riddell: around?
[17:43] <Riddell> hi fdoving
[17:43] <jjesse> afternoon everyone
[17:45] <fdoving> Riddell: hi. about bug 222041 - gentoo have a simpler way to do this. and i think it's the same issue. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186028 - simple patch to /usr/bin/kdeeject which is a bash script. - i belive the change we have in -proposed for hardy should be dropped, and this implemented.
[17:46] <fdoving> and this should probably be pushed upstream too, as it needs to be fixed by everyone.
[17:47] <Riddell> fdoving: we can't change features in -proposed, it's minimal bugfixes only
[17:47] <fdoving> Riddell: ok, this is that. the other "fix" breaks more than it fixes.
[17:48] <Riddell> and we can't push upstream, KDE 3 is long since frozen, else we'd have done it forever
[17:48] <Riddell> s/forever/ages ago/
[17:50] <fdoving> kdebase got a change 5 weeks ago :)
[17:51] <Riddell> I don't know if there is going to be a 3.5.10 anyway
[17:52] <Riddell> what's the advantage of the gentoo script?
[17:52] <Riddell> seele: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UDS-Intrepid/PragueTips
[17:52] <fdoving> it ejects with HAL instead of /usr/bin/eject - which our kdeeject tries to.
[17:52] <fdoving> and that is the proper way, as we mount with HAL and don't give permissions to eject with /usr/bin/eject.-
[18:03] <Riddell> proofreaders: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuReleaseSchedule
[18:04] <Nightrose> Riddell: amarok 1.4.9.1 is not backported to gutsy yet it seems - we had a few requests - any reasons for it not being backported?
[18:04] <Nightrose> (besides time)
[18:05] <ScottK-uds> Nightrose: Is there a gusty-backports bug?
[18:05] <Nightrose> ScottK-uds: have not checked
[18:05] <Riddell> Nightrose: I can't say I care about backporting to releases before the current stable version.  if someone wants to do it or ask the backports team that's fine
[18:05] <Nightrose> ok
[18:06] <Riddell> it would need the media-ipod patch removed I'd imagine
[18:06] <Nightrose> yea
[18:06] <ScottK-uds> Nightrose: If someone will file a bug in gutsy-backports and test that it builds/installs/runs on Gutsy, just ping me with the bug number and I can approve it/upload it with the diff.
[18:06] <Nightrose> ScottK-uds: ok will do
[18:06] <Nightrose> thx
[18:07] <Riddell> kwwii: drinking bof at 7:30 with tonio
[18:07] <Nightrose> *lol* that's waht we call it now?
[18:07] <Riddell> better than a smoking bof
[18:07] <Nightrose> ;-) true
[18:07] <Riddell> most unhealthy
[18:07] <Nightrose> right
[18:09] <Nightrose> Riddell: about the spec "of having our own publicity not lose in the Ubuntu release" sounds strange to me - not sure though
[18:12] <mhb> hello"
[18:12] <mhb> hello!
[18:13] <Nightrose> heya mhb
[18:13] <jjesse> hello :)
[18:13] <mhb> home at last
[18:13] <jjesse> yay for home
[18:13] <mhb> jjesse: not so yay
[18:13] <Nightrose> ScottK-uds: no bug so far - will tell the next one who asks to do it and provide a package
[18:13] <mhb> it was fun at the UDS, but now I have to learn until midnight :o)
[18:14] <jjesse> bummer,but with the amount i travel, being at home is always a yay
[18:14] <mhb> jjesse: that's true
[18:15] <Riddell> mhb: good to meet you mhb, good luck studying
[18:16] <Riddell> mhb: you're not in tomorrow right?
[18:21] <mhb> Riddell: I am
[18:21] <mhb> Riddell: my exam is at 17:40
[18:21] <mhb> so I guess I'm there morning and early afternoon
[18:21] <mhb> wednesday I'm gone
[18:21] <mhb> one exam in the morning and one in the afternoon
[18:21] <ryanakca> mhb: pong?
[18:21] <mhb> ryanakca: early enough :o)
[18:22] <mhb> Riddell: I assume I'll be there for the Kubuntu talks, then lunch, then gone
[18:22] <mhb> Riddell: but it might change.
[18:22] <mhb> Riddell: nice to meet you, too... all of you!
[18:22] <mhb> such great people
[18:23] <mhb> ryanakca: I wanted to ask about the website
[18:23] <Riddell> mhb: groovy
[18:25] <ryanakca> mhb: yes... we're still patiently waiting on the overworked sysadmins...
[18:25] <mhb> ryanakca: ah
[19:14] <apachelogger> Nightrose: question is, where do these files come from anyway
[19:14] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i have no idea
[19:15] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, did you get me a new brain in prague?
[19:15] <apachelogger> I pretty much b0rked the old one today
[19:15] <Nightrose> nope ;-)
[19:15] <Nightrose> oO
[19:15] <apachelogger> 6 hours economics was just too much
[19:15] <apachelogger> I was able to sleep in the afternoon after 6 cups o coffee
[19:15] <apachelogger> horrible
[19:16]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger 
[19:16] <Nightrose> how did it work out?
[19:18] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:19] <apachelogger> there is reason to hope though
[19:19] <Nightrose> :)
[19:19] <apachelogger> I was pretty good in accounting, business economics wasn't that awesome though
[19:19] <Nightrose> bah - I am sure you rocked ;-)
[19:20] <apachelogger> we'll see
[19:20] <apachelogger> gotta continue learning on german and french
[19:20] <apachelogger> cya
[19:21] <Nightrose> good luck
[19:21] <Nightrose> and cya
[19:59] <uga> Riddell: you should always carry a tripod with you to avoid blurry shots ;)
[20:19] <yuriy> ohh 4 months *after* ubuntu
[20:19] <jjesse> yuriy: what are you tlking about?
[20:19] <yuriy> jjesse: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuReleaseSchedule
[20:20] <jjesse> wouldn't it be a pain to change the sync of kubuntu from ubuntu/
[20:20] <yuriy> jjesse: read the bottom part, decided against it
[20:24] <jjesse> yay
[20:24] <jjesse> been swamped w/ confrence calls yet again, wish i could particpate more :(
[23:03] <ScottK-uds> Nightrose: Sounds good.