[00:23] Nightrose: Great shirt! [00:23] hehe thanks [00:24] (He says as they stand in front of a shop selling shirts) [00:24] :P [00:24] Which reminds me. [00:24] * daskReech sighs [00:25] Man KDE is going to turn me into shirt wearing billboard whore [00:25] rofl [00:25] Akonadi has a great T-Shirt! [00:25] ohhh where? [00:26] Haven't seen it? [00:26] nope - i am still catching up after fosscamp [00:26] not read planets and stuff yet [00:26] i am at emails right now ;-) - rss feeds after that [00:27] http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2008/05/voodoo-that-we-do.html [00:27] thx [00:27] sweetness [00:27] yes it is [00:28] I just need a Amarok T-Shirt with Glow in the dark wolf to top it now [00:28] hehe [00:32] Man I miss Akregator [00:33] why not use akregator? [00:34] hasn't been ported as stable yet [00:35] I could compile I guess [00:35] works ok here [00:35] You are running trunk :-P [00:36] yeah [00:41] :-p [00:43] how is it :( [00:43] until yesterday, there was a khtml bug that made akregator annoying to use. now it's less annoying (but still some problems) [00:44] Wht's it? [00:44] some rendering problem. kinda hard to explain. the thing to know is that it seems to be gone now :) [00:46] With Forms? [00:46] Forms have been giving me hell on 4.0.4 [00:46] daskReech: i am working on that [00:46] just had no time due to fosscamp [00:46] but it is on my todo list [00:46] no, plain rendering in the preview pane [00:46] I know [00:47] Qt 4.4 regression [00:47] ok ;-) [00:47] yea [00:47] hmm [00:47] what's the name of the Webkit test browser I eep hearing about? [00:47] Arora? [00:48] ahok Never heard it called by name [00:50] well I think that's separate from the QtWebKit demo that comes with Qt 4 (if you compile it with demos) [00:50] yeah I know [00:50] * daskReech still isn't fond of Webkit until it has invoked access keys [00:51] so what do you "not" know :) [00:52] oh right [00:52] seele: ping [00:52] I don't know if the categorized view in Doplhin has plans to be collapsble [00:52] daskReech: i doubt she is awake - she was pretty tired when she arrived [00:54] aww ok well I'll feel out what the users think then :) [00:54] Anyonehas thoughts on tabs in System settings ? [00:55] Jucato: BTW I hear teh keyboard works in it now! Wohoo!!! [00:55] it does [00:57] sweet that's one of three things i want to see fixed down [01:01] Jucato: Don't suppose search eliminates non matches ? [01:01] of course it does [01:02] really? [01:02] not just grey them out ? [01:02] it doesn't show how many "hits" in General and Advanced though [01:02] yeah. as in non-matches go poof [01:02] Serious? that's two :) [01:02] So the only other thing is to have it merge general and adavnced now [01:03] Since if you are searching you should have an idea of what you want but not where [01:03] so it doesn't make sense to have them split like that [01:04] don't hold your breath [01:07] people are opposed to that? [01:16] Jucato: Hey do you know anything about Hardy booting to a black screen intermittenly ? [01:20] evening [01:21] hey jjesse [01:21] hello daskReech [01:21] daskReech: no I don't know anything [01:21] How are you? [01:22] daskReech: doing well, just got back from my wifes first baby shower [01:22] lots of loot [01:22] Whoot :) [01:22] totally [01:22] morning Jucato [01:22] good evening jjesse! [01:23] how are you Jucato [01:23] good good. and you? :) [01:23] which country/state are you in right now? :D [01:23] good, busy getting ready for baby [01:23] i'm at home, michigan united states [01:24] ah hehe :) [01:24] good good :) [01:24] i have one week in columbus ohio last week of may and then i'm home for 2 months due to baby arriving in june [01:24] woot!! new kubuntu baby!! :) [01:24] totally [01:24] did i not tell everyone? [01:24] :D [01:24] sorry bout that [01:25] well I didn't know. like I said, I know nothing :) [01:25] i thought i posted that when i turned down uds-prague [01:25] the others might have a clue :D [01:25] wife didn't want me on the other side of th world w/ only 5 weeks to go [01:25] awwwww that's thoughtful :) [01:25] hope fully will make it to uds-intrepid+1 [01:25] oh I haven't been reading planet ubuntu much lately [01:26] Jucato: it was a copule of months ago [01:26] Jumping jackalope ? [01:26] oh? [01:26] daskReech: beat me to it, was just thinking the same [01:27] jjesse: I'll come up with something better soon But I like jumping jackalope :) [01:27] +1 for me [01:27] jjesse: " I did recently receive my nomination to be included as part of UDS-Intrepid, the next Ubuntu Developer Summit in Prague Czech Republic. As I can’t attend due to family reasons, I noticed the link for the next summit is up already." [01:27] ah i didn't say what family reasons [01:27] :D [01:28] are they doing the gobby sessions and ip phone stuff for uds-intrepid? i've seen no announcemnts on that [01:29] * daskReech pulls up his kobby mailing list [01:29] I should really do some wiking on this [01:29] kobby? [01:29] a qt version of gobby? [01:30] Nope [01:30] A billion times better [01:30] yeah? [01:31] Yeah :-) [01:31] soon as it's coded [01:31] a.k.a. doesn't exist yet? :) [01:31] see? :P [01:31] Jucato: you are wise beyond your years [01:32] yes.. beyond my ears [01:32] jjesse: The idea is it's a framework [01:32] so any document minded app can enable it [01:32] cool [01:32] works with decibel so you can chat in say kate [01:32] * Jucato believes he has read a GSoC proposal like that... or something [01:32] yeah :) [01:32] andreas is the head [01:33] jjesse: But you can collaborate with say kate and Kdevlop [01:33] Or kwrite and kword [01:33] or..... [01:33] between two krita [01:33] googling right now [01:33] or two karbon 14 [01:34] KollaborationFrame [01:34] daskReech: are you a GSoC? [01:34] no I was working on this from before [01:34] I doubt he's even pseudocode :) [01:34] much less summer of code :) [01:35] but quite a few people submitted to GSoC [01:35] honestly it happens every year [01:35] Now there is a much better project for it to fall under [01:36] and we try and keep all intrested parties involved or at least updated [01:36] which is how the krita guys came in [01:37] I dn't think any of us were thinking about a paint progam for collab [01:37] And we have Gnome people contributing as well [01:37] so it's a lot of ideas being thrashed [01:37] cool, nice to see so much collab [01:37] make it an FD.o shit [01:37] er.. s/shit/thing/ [01:37] Exactly [01:38] sorry [01:39] i want to have a lightweight server in each app which can be flicked on with a toolbar button [01:40] as opposed to the Gobby scenario where you must have a heavy server [01:40] there are very useful scenarios for the heavy server though (persistence, confrences) so that's obvioulsy going to be done as well [01:41] seems very ambitious [01:41] that's why we ar starting with kobby :) [01:41] but keeping all the players in the loop [01:41] very :) [01:42] Koffice is very interested [01:42] hope it works [01:42] Kdevelop would love this too [01:42] they actually have a collaborative framework already in code [01:42] dude... any app would love it :) [01:42] (except for klipper...) [01:42] Jucato: But with KDE they can all share code :-) and implement it trivially [01:42] I love KDE :) [01:43] kgpg ? [01:43] * Jucato loves GNOME [01:43] it's the GNU Network Object Model Environment!! what's not to love about that! [01:44] the object section [01:44] huh what? [01:45] :-) [01:45] at least you don't like Windows [01:45] KDE should be KODE, the Kool Object Desktop Environment [01:45] says who? [01:45] * daskReech crowds in a corner and looks at nixternal [01:45] what is networkable about GNOME? [01:45] I'm with nixternal [01:45] jjesse: the browser [01:45] :) [01:45] Gobby! :) [01:45] Epiphany ftw!! [01:46] though.. I should stop using gtk = GNOME [01:46] indeed [01:46] Oh other ting I was wondering [01:46] well two things [01:47] is anyone going to pick up Qtparted? [01:47] gparted is pretty much dead [01:47] i've used GNOME, just doesn't do things the way i want it to [01:47] gparted is dead? i love gparted [01:47] lets say stalled [01:47] no devs on the project [01:47] that bootable cd has saved my a$$ [01:47] I know [01:47] * Jucato actually uses the Ubuntu CD whenever he needs to partition :) [01:48] well most bootable CDs focused on some job use Gtk as the basis. Why wouldn't a KDE environment be better for a Live Cd? [01:48] would it make sense to have some scripts that allowed you to build a KDE live Cd in a failry trivial manner ? [01:49] that's aside from the qtParted question. I just really think that we should have a fairly robust native Disk management section for System Settigns [01:49] * Nightrose pokes jjesse [01:50] and since Gparted is stalled probably a call to move Qtparted up in the visibilty of really cool apps ? [01:50] Jucato: I went into #compiz-fusion and asked if there was a replacement for Korroa and they told me Ubuntu hardy :0 [01:51] :D [01:51] I would have thought they would say Sabayon [01:53] I went into ##apple to ask something about disk management using Leopard and they asked me why would I do that? Get a Ubuntu cd and manage it then reboot into mac OSX [01:53] lol [01:53] very Linux-friendly [01:53] or should I say, "Ubuntu-friendly" [01:54] I know! It's like the answer to all problems in all channels is well Ubuntu can do that [01:54] The live CD thing is kinda bugging me though [01:55] why can i never get my kubuntu vm in windows to never be the right screen size [01:55] very frustrating [01:55] the "auto-fit" doesn't seem to work as it does with windows [01:56] * Jucato is going to try andLinux one of these days [01:58] #magiclinux [01:58] i've been playing with SuSE Enterprise Linux for a bit now [01:58] pretty nice, but can't get my wireless card to work [02:05] You know what? I can't get kdesudo to work [02:05] it will never find the command I pass to it [02:07] thats a bummer [02:10] I'll see if it's a general kde4 bug [02:11] (there's no kdesudo in kde4 ;) [02:11] what? [02:11] * Jucato is hinting that kdesudo is a Kubuntu thing :) [02:11] ah [02:11] :D [02:14] Jucato: I know I meant I don't know if it works in KDE3 on hardy [02:14] but I seem to have hit a few people in #kubuntu-kde4 who get the same thing [02:14] gotta love kdesudo :) [02:15] daskReech: like trying to run kcmshell4 stuff with kdesude [02:15] kdesudo [02:16] jjesse: Hmm? [02:16] kdesudo * fails [02:16] i've given up configuing network shares through system settings [02:16] anything you put there will not be found [02:17] hmm let me try full paths [02:17] epic fail [02:18] i've bugged it on bugs.kde.org [02:18] dont remember the last comment [02:18] one day I'm going to write an epic.... and title it "Fail" [02:18] probally was compile it from trunk [02:18] Ha ha KDE4 apps are not in the path [02:19] Course that's nearly all the GUI apps I have [02:19] hm... [02:19] shouldn't you be feeding it with the *-kde4 counterpart that's in /usr/bin? [02:20] daskReech: bug 160123 on bugs.kde.org [02:20] feeding what? [02:20] Launchpad bug 160123 in compiz "[gutsy] Screen flickering when playing videos" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160123 [02:20] feedking kdesudo [02:20] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160123 [02:20] probably [02:20] KDE bug 160123 in general "In system settings with Samba installed, click on Samba under System section crashes" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [02:20] I've been seeing people recommending running the binary direct from the kde4 directory (it's /usr/lib/kde4 right?) [02:20] Jucato: Yeah that works [02:21] I tried to think of a non KDE gui app I have [02:21] \o/ xeyes [02:21] kdesudo xeyes works [02:21] kdesudo systemsettings doesn't [02:21] I think the problem would be that the direct path doesn't set the correct variables that the *-kde4 script in /usr/bin/ does [02:21] Right [02:21] kdesudo systemsettings-kde4? [02:21] so I have the eyes of root following me now [02:21] Jucato: Nope [02:21] jsut systemsettings [02:22] that would run the kde3 systemsettings wouldn't it? [02:22] I have no KDE3 libs at all on my computer [02:22] X and KDE4 libs [02:22] that is all [02:22] ok off to walk my dog [02:22] ah [02:23] bye jjesse [02:23] Jucato: remember the Pure KDE4 discussion? [02:23] and me missing Bsket? [02:23] yeah [02:23] Well I do it sucks But I miss akregator as well [02:23] Mynd helps with basket but ... [02:45] daskReech: pong [02:45] hmm.. i should try to sleep for a few more hours [02:46] seele: go!! daskReech is not that important to lose sleep over :) [02:47] seele: sleep I'll talk to you in the future [02:51] Jucato: Ah another bug that irritated me. Can Gwenview save now? [02:51] save? [02:52] daskReech: you mean Save As? [02:52] gwenview has one of the purtiest UI's :) [02:54] Yeah [02:54] seele: Sleep! I'll be tempted to talk to you if you hang around here [02:55] nope. it can't [02:55] weird :) [02:55] so whats a pretty thing like you hanging around a place like this for anyway? ;-) [02:55] grrrr [03:41] Jucato: Bugging you again :) [03:41] can you mousewheel in File Selecor dialogs? [03:42] daskReech: open/save file dialogs? [03:44] mousewheel in what sense? [03:47] When I mousewheel in the dialog it doesn't scroll through the contents I have to use the scroll bar [03:47] nothing else makes it move === kewark is now known as krawek [04:13] quit talking about me when I am not around :p [04:15] Jucato_: You hear someone? sounds like someone was typing [04:46] Jucato_: Hey loooked who popped up in #kubuntu === Jucato_ is now known as Jucato [04:47] daskReech: ping [04:48] Jucato: pong [04:48] do you mean the selection doesn't move from 1 item to another or the whole view doesn't scroll down/up? [04:49] Nothing moves when I mouse whell [04:49] eel [04:49] wheel [04:49] eel [04:50] moves here. I set the view to be detailed view so that I have unseen items, then I mouse wheel to scroll up/down [04:50] hmm let me try that [04:51] Jucato: mm I guess looking at it like that it makes sense [04:51] F6 won't scroll but F7 will [04:52] it scrolls here (sideways) [04:52] Hmm [04:52] doesn't here [04:52] so might be fixed in trunk [04:53] if there's nothing else, we can start talking about nixternal while he's not here [04:53] I am here [04:53] ok stopping :) [04:53] talking in another channel about good ol' navy times :p [04:53] hahah [04:53] in the navy!! [04:53] isn't there a song like that? YMCA song? [04:53] One of those descriptions is a lie!!! [04:53] Yeah [04:54] er.. village people I mean [04:54] nixternal dresses up for it all the time [04:54] my uniforms wouldn't fit me if I tried [04:54] I can only imagine :) [04:54] you must be *very* small back then if that's the case :) [04:54] er no.. *very* normal (size) [04:55] btw, tron guy went to UDS? [04:55] is that the same tron guy you posed with? [04:55] :-) [04:55] oh crap this "Restore Session?" dialog box is annoying me! [04:55] Jucato: yes...jono was at penguicon too [04:56] but I don't want to disable it because, knowing konq, I won't be able to get it back when I need it [04:56] we were the drunk crowd [04:56] me, jorge, jono, and the entire michigan loco were stupid drunk 99.9% of the time [04:57] I wish I had video of jorge on that friday night....me, jono, and mako laughed so damn hard we about we ourselves [04:57] :D [04:57] we about we ourselves? :) [04:57] wii [04:57] I thought so :) [04:57] * Jucato thinks someone's still drunk :D [04:57] wet [04:57] aaaah [04:57] wee as in pee :) [04:58] I wish jono would post the pics he has of us at penguicon...I know he has one of me standing up on a barstool with my hat sideways rapping to mc hammer or something [04:58] hm... I just love these "Don't show again" dialog boxes.. that really have no way of showing again once you set it... [04:58] and I know he has mako and mika getting rickrolled [04:59] well I still have that pic of you and jorge on my disk [04:59] blackmail material [04:59] hehe, the world has that one [05:00] not easily accessible/discoverable :) [05:00] * Jucato can make it so, by putting it in his sig in every post he makes to the planets or mailing lists or forums :) [05:04] Ha ha [05:07] hahahaha [05:08] I can easily make a gimp'd image of ya and post it for the world to see! [05:08] give him big Gnome feet :-) [05:08] nothing beats "the real thing" TM of course :) [05:08] there are a couple of webcam shots of ya, I can easily gimp that in and put you on some live adult chat website :p [05:09] * Jucato doesn't even have a webcam :) [05:09] Hmm that might give him a side income while he IRCes [05:09] great idea!! :) [05:09] * Jucato amuses himself with Magical Trevor vids in the meantime [05:22] hahahahaha [05:23] * daskReech slowly reads through aseigos' response [05:24] hehe [05:24] just finished it myself [05:35] damn, no UDS VoIP this time around..that stinks [05:38] * nixternal beds [05:49] Nightrose: in bed? [05:50] mornin [05:51] 06:52 [05:51] the bad thing about UDS is that it's not really around the corner :o) but still better than somewhere in the U.S. :o) === kewark is now known as krawek [06:04] good morning ScottK-uds [06:04] Good morning. [06:07] hmm hmm, finally a schedule up on the wiki.ubuntu.com UDS site [06:09] Don't get to attached to it. It changes a lot. [06:09] right. [06:09] so there'll be stuff for us Kubuntu folks to do, contrary to what is says, I hope :o) [06:10] s/ is / it / [06:11] should I wear anything formal-ish or is a t-shirt okay? [06:12] well I guess there's no need for that, but just making sure :o) [06:12] Just make sure the T-shirt isn't too formal. ;-) [06:18] mhb: One thing we need to keep in mind for UDS is looking at things Ubuntu is doing that we ought to do to, so we aren't 'behind'. [06:18] that's true. [06:19] * mhb is feeling a bit nervous [06:19] this "going into a new environment" always gets me. [06:19] mhb: It's OK to feel excited. Don't feel nervous. [06:20] * ScottK-uds goes off to get ready ... [06:23] ScottK-uds: it's the shy me :o) [06:31] just in case: this is what I may look like: http://mhb.ath.cx/tmp/me.jpg [06:31] so if you notice me there, please say hello :o) [06:32] T-shirt is waaay to formal [06:32] bermuda shorts top [06:32] daskReech: right, but I can't go out there in shorts, it's too cold :o) [06:32] yuck internet died [06:32] rest in peace [06:32] I'm going to miss it [06:33] but now... UDS time! I have to get there, see you folks there, or in this channel in an hour or so :o) [06:33] :) [06:34] Riddell: firefox integration is much of a problem. I think it's one of the most common complaints about kubuntu on forums, there's a spec or two for it, and some bugs. basically gtk dialogs suck and kubuntu users shouldn't have to deal with them [06:36] firefox-kubuntu package which points to konqueror with a firefox skin ? :0 [06:55] Riddell: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/firefox-kde-support, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/firefox-qt-kubuntu, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-gtk-theme, bugs 43238, 49568, 220798, 138756, 220504, 193538, 222122 and more. can't find any interesting forum thread right now. this might be useful: http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/05/06/well-isnt-that-qt/ [06:55] Launchpad bug 43238 in kubuntu-default-settings "Firefox open / save dialog is a pain for kde users" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43238 [06:55] Launchpad bug 49568 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird KDE-integration" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49568 [06:55] Launchpad bug 220798 in firefox-3.0 "[KDE] Applications tab in preferences is empty in Firefox-3.0b5 " [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220798 [06:55] Launchpad bug 138756 in kubuntu-default-settings "kubuntu firefox should use kde print system" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138756 [06:55] Launchpad bug 220504 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox doesn't know what apps to use to open any type of downloaded files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/220504 [06:55] sorry for the flood :( === kewark is now known as krawek [08:45] ScottK-uds: ccc [08:49] Riddell: I'm in the server team room for the first roundtable. [08:50] oh you and your server fettish :) [08:50]