[00:49] * seele yawns [00:50] ugh.. should go to bed.. but it's only 19:50 home time! [01:53] oi [02:00] oi back! [02:14] hopefully I have a new job! woohoo [02:14] woot! [02:14] * Hobbsee should apply for a new job [02:15] this new job would probably take a ton of my free time away :( [02:15] nixternal: free time to work on Kubuntu? :( [02:16] but it is hacking on Red Hat/CentOS, and possibly Foresight and Ubuntu to create an application/appliance for customers [02:16] Jucato: would be slim, very slim [02:16] * Jucato sobs [02:16] what would Kubuntu do without you? [02:16] be successful :) [02:17] good. just asking :) [02:17] heh, I don't do anything anyways but open my big mouth [02:17] never underestimate the power of an opened big mouth :D [02:18] heh [02:18] specially one that spits out docs and release notes :) [02:23] docs and release notes are easy to do [02:28] so easy no one wants to do them ;) [02:32] hehe, so true [03:53] * vorian waves === kewark is now known as krawek [04:40] seele: If awake i'd be privvie to talk to you [05:26] nixternal: hi [05:26] Bah [05:27] * daskReech doesn't feel like talking about nixternal whiles he be out tonight [05:27] Nightrose: ping === uga is now known as uga|away [07:47] good morning! [07:47] * mhb_uds is the house === mhb_uds is now known as mhb [07:51] hmm, another buggie [07:52] with the latest KDE4 packages, knotify4 seems to often decide to eat 101% of the CPU until you kill it [07:52] anyone experienced that? [07:55] No I've normally just had it die by itself [07:55] Plasma takes up like 25% of the CPU though [07:56] daskReech: have you managed to get rid of that? [08:03] mhb: Not once I start using Firefox [08:03] it pops up right after that [08:04] does it. [08:05] Yeah But I have other stuff I'm more worried about [08:05] Like passwords not working [08:07] I wonder where our incomprehensibly speaking leader is === mhb_ is now known as mhb [08:07] mhb: latest KDE4 packages are version..? [08:07] not sure. [08:08] 4.1 or 4.0.x series? [08:08] 4.0.x [08:08] Riddell: ah, here you are. [08:08] Riddell: good morning, sir [08:08] mhb: ahoy there [08:09] Artemis_Fowl: oh, by the way [08:10] mhb: ? [08:10] Artemis_Fowl: I compiled the kgrubeditor [08:11] Artemis_Fowl: it's not as nice as in the screenshots [08:11] it doesn't have any icons [08:11] at all? [08:11] let me do a screen of my own [08:11] mhb: did you make install it? [08:13] Artemis_Fowl: http://mhb.ath.cx/tmp/kgrubeditor.jpeg [08:13] Artemis_Fowl: no, no make install. [08:13] it's not able to find its data if it's not installed? [08:14] that's pretty common [08:14] mhb: yes [08:14] mhb: it looks for its icons under KStandardDirs, its rc file etc [08:14] mhb: btw ugly screenshot indeed :P [08:15] Artemis_Fowl: ugly as in my fault or yours? it's the latest code [08:16] mhb: ugly as it has no icons/toolbars etc [08:16] Artemis_Fowl: installing it improved that. [08:16] hopefully [08:18] mhb: only the main view is as it ought to be(according to the wireframes) [08:19] Artemis_Fowl: by the way - I don't like the wizard editor much [08:19] Artemis_Fowl: I'm not much fond of wizards [08:20] Artemis_Fowl: if you used it for a 100th time, it gets bothersome [08:20] :| seele has the same opinion. she said it would be ok to release with it and see if anyone at all uses it [08:20] if not then bye-bye [08:21] Artemis_Fowl: if you think people might like it, then ok [08:21] I don't, but you're the author :o) [08:21] actually the reason I keep it is because it is documented [08:22] even if a user doesn't know anything about makeactive let's say, he can quickly understand its use [08:22] but I can't fit such info in the quick editor [08:22] anyway. we will see [08:23] Artemis_Fowl: another suggestion [08:23] Artemis_Fowl: which I might implement later, but no time ATM [08:23] Artemis_Fowl: you might want to consider on startup, creating a "pre-kgrubeditor" backup [08:23] mhb: it does [08:24] oh, does it? [08:24] that's terrific [08:24] Artemis_Fowl: good work then :o) [08:24] mhb: it has the same name with the original file plus a _original suffix [08:24] this backup is created for every file that is accessed for the first time [08:26] mhb: it will be used in the future in the "Defaults" button which appears in the SystemSettings [08:26] at least that's what seele told me [08:26] Artemis_Fowl: hmm, that might be a bit radical [08:27] Artemis_Fowl: because when I set defaults, I really don't mean "forget all my menu.lst changes in the past three years" [08:27] y I know [08:27] I mean - I want my wallpaper reset, but that's all :o) [08:28] you could talk about it with seele === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK-uds [08:31] Riddell: hmm, this single sign on seems like the big thing in ibex [08:32] Riddell: I guess we'd make users happy if we supported it in the same release ubuntu does [08:32] What is it? [08:32] * ScottK-uds is in community this morning. [08:32] Riddell: have you thought about that? [08:33] (I'm sure you have, I just wonder if you got a plan) [08:34] ScottK-uds: it's about having a "ubuntu.net" account, which stores your encrypted password wallet, so you'll be able to easily migrate your user from a freshly installed computer to a new one. [08:34] ScottK-uds: or that's how I understand it [08:34] Interesting. [08:35] Yes. I think we should support that in the same release Ubuntu does. [08:37] at first sight, it doesn't look that impossible to create [08:38] Riddell: ping ? [08:38] You mean an OpenID ? [08:38] daskReech: a bit, but not exactly [08:39] daskReech: I mean having a remote secure place where you can easily store your Jabber account info, Facebook info, Flickr info, Google account info, etc. [08:39] Do we know who is doing the Ubuntu implementation? [08:40] ScottK-uds: I don't think they've discussed the implementation yet [08:40] OK. [08:40] Tonio_: rebonjour [08:40] ScottK-uds: they just talk about the functionality and structure of the data storage [08:40] mhb: I've not had much chance to think about it, and I don't have much of a plan (but then neither does ubuntu have a plan as such) [08:41] Riddell: where are you? [08:41] Tonio_: desktop room [08:41] Riddell: I've been searching for you for 45 nutes [08:41] Riddell: ah oki [08:41] Riddell: no, that's what UDS is about, isn't it? [08:41] Riddell: about devising a plan [08:41] Riddell: I wasn't sure that one was concerning us [08:41] mhb: yep [08:41] Tonio_: it turns out it does [08:41] * mhb is there, too [08:43] I going to go to the distributed development session now just for self-defense so they don't shove bzr down my throat. [08:52] hmm, so it's a good time to check out the kwallet code [08:53] I also remember some Suse patch (who would have guessed?) that allowed to sign on your kwallet if your password to the account was the same as the kwallet password [08:53] Riddell: do you happen to know if that one made it upstream? [08:54] mhb: it has not, I remember it being talked about, although I haven't come across the patch [08:54] mhb: although that does sound like most of the desktop integration with ubuntu.net, otherwise it seems to just be another web site service [08:57] right, the only thing we'd need to implement is the syncing with ubuntu.net [08:57] well, we also need to wait to find out how they are going to offer the ubuntu.net account to the user [08:57] I don't assume it's going to be exported anywhere by default [08:57] and I need to get more familiar with the kwallet structure [08:58] Riddell: how much do you need to do to go from an empty wallet and empty kopete to kopete with your accounts configured correctly? [08:58] that's more or less what the synchronization tool is supposed to do [08:58] mhb: currently or with ubuntu.net? [08:59] it's just a file in ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl [08:59] Riddell: I mean even if you have no Kopete configured, information in that file will get your account(s) signed on? [09:00] mhb: yes [09:00] hmm, that's interesting [09:00] I have to try that. [09:04] Riddell: hmm, I guess there's some misinformation in what I said. [09:04] Riddell: say I have a fresh install. I click "sync with my ubuntu.net account" and I expect kopete to have all my jabber accounts [09:05] which is unfortunately not only the kwallet information at the moment [09:05] hmm, right [09:07] Riddell: perhaps we might want to ask in a KDE mailing list about it, to see if there'd be a chance of changing the position of the data, but I'm afraid that won't be possible [09:07] mhb: which data, and why? [09:07] well, forget it [09:07] at fosscamp lubos did say he'd work on unifying kwallet and gnome keyring, which might be related [09:07] user account data [09:08] user accounts data, I mean from konqueror, kopete, kontact ... currently they're spread throughout all the kde configuration files [09:08] passwords stored in one place, but just those. [09:10] I doubt there'll be a need to move config stuff, if this single sign on gets used for anything other than web data there will need to be a local app which writes the local config files, and that can be adapted for kde [09:10] * Artemis_Fowl just commited the latest changes [09:11] yes, but since all of the user account data is spread throughout the applications, that parser will get really complex [09:12] in the end, it might happen that the app is even writing the same information in multiple files just because the apps aren't told to look in the same place for the same info [09:12] I hope I make *some* sense [09:13] not super complex, it's just text files, Tm_T will be doing something similar for migration assitant [09:13] you certainly do [09:14] no, at this scale it's still simple, however, if duplications happen, we might want to suggest to KDE to store user accounts information in one file, perhaps. Not sure. [09:14] the only downside of that script is our time, and it's not too much time, so I'm totally fine with writing those scripts. [09:15] however, it may get a bit nasty because the script has to both check if the information isn't already there, in a different way perhaps, and then write them [09:16] it has to be pretty smart to avoid duplicate information (say the user forgot to use his ubuntu.net account, so he inserted that information into kopete by hand, then wanted to sync up) [09:18] yep [09:20] I don't know how this would work on the client side (I don't think anyone does), it could be the apps themsevles get patched to talk to ubuntu.net, which would be more tricky [09:20] I would prefer the other way [09:21] reading configuration files gets tricky, but it's still not impossible, and it creates no overhead. [09:21] yep [09:22] if I had a vote in this discussion, I'd go for the configuration file parser and a window in systemsettings for you to select what you want to sync and use [09:22] of course, it gets more complex than that, but I'd avoid patching the apps [09:24] Riddell: are they going to purchase the ubuntu.net service? [09:25] Riddell: I mean - is it going to be free or paid? [09:25] mhb: they being users? [09:25] both I expect [09:25] hmm [09:25] main services for free, others could be revenue generating [09:27] Riddell: hmm, right. I hope stuff like syncing any number of computers won't be paid [09:27] <\sh> ubuntu.net? [09:27] yes [09:27] <\sh> and what should that be? [09:28] mhb: I doubt it [09:28] \sh: oh do keep up :) [09:28] Riddell: too many negatives... you meant that it will be free, or paid? [09:28] mhb: I doubt syncing anything will cost money [09:29] that'd be great [09:29] Apple is offering a similar service called .mac I think [09:29] <\sh> Riddell, in the moment this is difficult...but give me a pointer to read [09:29] but it's paid, so good for those apple lovers, but nothing for me [09:29] \sh: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/oder.ogg.m3u :) [09:30] mhb: I don't think ubuntu.net will provide services itself in the way mac.com does, mostly just a gateway to other people's services, maybe ubuntu branded ones [09:31] Riddell: right, .mac is offering quite a lot more, online backups, web space and stuff. But they also offer the syncing (AFAIK) which got me so interested in ubuntu.net. [09:32] <\sh> Riddell, distributed development? [09:32] heh, the icecasts are mixed yet again [09:32] \sh: hmm, no http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/volga.ogg.m3u [09:32] mhb: just me is mixed up :) [09:32] <\sh> Riddell, grmpf ;I) [09:33] Riddell: ah [09:34] <\sh> oh single signon...my loleby topic during lycos ;) [09:35] <\sh> and we started to think about that, during breezy imho when for the first time the name "telepathy" was mentioned ;) [09:40] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/IM/DesktopIntegrationSIPIM?action=show&redirect=MOTUIM%2FDesktopIntegrationSIPIM that was the first part of it [09:42] Riddell: well, at least I've got a task to do during this week - finding out what apps might be affected by ubuntu.net and what the corresponding config files look like [09:42] finally :o) [09:54] seele: awake? === mhb_ is now known as mhb [10:42] kde4-desktop didn't work very well ... [10:43] and how to roll back the install of all kubuntu-kde4-desktop packages ? [10:43] larsivi: try removing the kde4 libraries, all will go with it [10:44] or at least, how can I have alt+f2 work again in kde3 :P [10:47] the main problem with kde4 (after my 5 min session) is that it totally ignores my X settings, trying to fit the desktop into the size of my laptop (lvds) screen onto my external flat panel [10:47] this is something that is handled out of the box in kde3 [10:47] also system settings in kde4 appear to be able to rectify this, but "apply" is greyed out [10:48] also there were no background for kdm [10:48] *Was [10:53] larsivi: you know what to do (file bugs) [10:53] mhb: do you know if there is a how-to-rollback kde4 page somewhere? [10:54] don't know of one [10:54] * jussi01 would like to add a factoid, as it gets asked often by beginners who think - yeah, lets get te latest and greatest kde! [10:54] mhb: I did - for kde3 ;) back when xorg came with xrandr 1.2 - seems to be the exact same issue [10:54] it might be good, but only for hardy - intrepid probbly won't have a KDE3 desktop anyway [10:55] mhb: true [10:55] larsivi: i will fix the backgroud issue as soon as the new qt4 packages are build [10:55] it is on my lost [10:55] the greyed out apply button is a upstream problem: not yet implemented [10:56] *list [10:56] Nightrose: right [10:58] mhb: would you be able to tell me fairly secifically, what the "recomended" way to remove kde4 would be? I think Ill go write that page - or at least a how to on the forums. [10:58] specifically* [10:59] I did remove the kde4-libraries, and got a slew of other packages with it - seems like about 20+ were not uninstalled by that though [11:00] jussi01: hmm, I haven't done that, but I guess removing the most basic kde4libs would remove all the packages. [11:00] the packagers might know more, I'm just a newbie when it comes to how the packages are named [11:04] mmm... [11:05] Ill corner apachelogger or someone when they come in. (or Riddell ;D ) [11:05] larsivi: if you installed the kubuntu-kde4-desktop metapackage ... just remove that package again and do a apt-get autoremove [11:06] that will remove most of it at least [11:16] Riddell: sorry.. i was up too late working [11:17] seele: indeed :o) [11:18] mhb: hey now.. i really was! [11:18] seele: phew, just so long as you weren't lying in a drunken stupor somewhere :) [11:18] Riddell: hehe, dont worry [11:20] seele: I know you were, it had to be really too late [11:22] mhb: it was only 7PM my time, so it was pretty easy to stay up [11:24] ah [11:27] yuriy: When you get up, could you pull changes in adept and try it out? [11:28] I still don't have visualisation of the .desktop files, but if you run it as ".../adept installer", you'll get a group list like in old installer. [11:29] yuriy: I just use normal package view for now inside. [11:29] yuriy: (The search starts when you hit enter, and it's case sensitive and only looks in short descriptions... that needs fixing, too...) [11:29] yuriy: But would be nice if you could give it a go. [11:41] awen-: ah, thanks [11:50] Artemis_Fowl: ping [11:50] * Artemis_Fowl will pong seele when he finishes his lunch :) [11:58] seele: pong [12:00] Artemis_Fowl: ah damn.. it's lunchtime for us now though :) [12:09] Riddell: printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [13:00] seele: ping [13:01] Artemis_Fowl: pong [13:01] Artemis_Fowl: mhb was interested in seeing your latest version of the GRUB editor, but your ppa hasn't been updated [13:01] ppa? [13:01] there is a grub editor? [13:01] * flaccid would love to check that out [13:02] flaccid: you're quite late [13:02] late at what sorry [13:02] seele: you meant SVN? [13:02] Riddell: where are you now ? [13:02] Artemis_Fowl: personal packaging? i thought that is where he got it but maybe not [13:02] Riddell: anything interesting for us ? [13:03] Tonio_: main talks [13:03] Tonio_: mobile talk now, jockey in 30 mins [13:03] seele: he compiled from SVN. we spoke in the morning and the issue was resolved. he failed to properly install it [13:03] but he fixed it eventually [13:04] ok cool [13:04] flaccid: late at the news :) [13:04] flaccid: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/myfiles?folder_id=87243 take a look at the more recent screenshots [13:04] i always am br0 :) [13:04] flaccid: (recent = higher screenshot number) [13:05] class KGrubEditor : publick QGrubEditor [13:05] >:) [13:05] oh i have to register with hotlink [13:05] flaccid: my mistake [13:05] flaccid: one minute [13:05] Riddell: hum, oki ;) === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_dinner [13:05] jokey's interesting, I'll be there [13:05] oooh Tonio_'s here :) [13:06] hey Jucato [13:06] Tonio_: nice cloak [13:06] Jucato: sorry for not beeing there recently, but I went through hudge personal problems [13:06] ;) [13:06] Tonio_: no problem. I wasn't around much either hahaha :) [13:06] and looks like nixternal won't be around much once he gets his job :( [13:06] jdavies: nice nick [13:07] flaccid: latest screenshots: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/browse/artemisfowl2007/87243_tA4In/page3 [13:07] ah thanks [13:07] seele: did you need anything else? [13:08] hmmmmm nice... if it works then its a milestone! [13:08] flaccid: it does :) [13:08] Jucato: comes with no extra charge [13:10] well full kudos to yourself and/or other devs... [13:10] it truly is something that users have needed for years [13:11] flaccid: it's a "port" of Artemis' QGrubEditor (in kde-apps.org) [13:12] ah rightio [13:12] there are only a few guis for admin that are left that are needed [13:13] i guess the main one is sufficient dual display [13:13] has been working on it for months afaik, then seele helped with the usability aspects :) [13:13] the problem there is not the gui but the other variables [13:13] working on what sorry jucy [13:13] * Jucato finds displays, X, and specially dual/twin head setups very dodgy [13:13] oh.. I meant to say "he has been working..." [13:14] working on grub editor? [13:14] well at least on porting it to KDE 4 [13:14] yeah the restricted drivers support for randr is the main problem i guess [13:14] coolio [13:14] afaik qgrubeditor has been around a bit longer [13:15] ah ok [13:16] true i guess i didn't come across it [13:16] (me too :P) [13:17] ya. like if the file sharing snap in is made sufficient and then dual display. then i reckon most of the desktop wants are covered [13:22] Tonio_: jockey up [13:23] Riddell: oki === neversfelde is now known as neversfelde_ === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === davmor2_dinner is now known as davmor2_away === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/uds-intrepid/ [14:49] * yuriy is curious about the results of the kde4 porting meeting [14:53] yuriy: mostly a list of things that need worked on, I'll write it up later today [14:53] oh, is there another meeting for what to do with kde3? [14:53] who were the people who wanted to work on nightly kde builds? [14:56] mm, don't know if anyone has voluntered for nightly build [14:56] yuriy: that was kubuntu-version, which has a politely retire policy [14:57] Riddell: there were a few pople interested and right now we are talking about using neon to do it [14:57] 2 people are in so far === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [15:54] proofreaders, yuriy: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion [15:58] Riddell: looks good, except for "Our marketing will follow that this release is an upgrade for those who want the latest news release, but may not be suitable for those who do not want to put up with some rough edges." [15:58] that is bad marketing [16:03] nixternal: got a more subtle wording? there will still be regressions with KDE 4.1 [16:09] Riddell: "want the latest news release" s/news/new? [16:10] xerosis: fixed, thanks [16:14] even with "regressions" we shouldn't hilight them in marketing honestly [16:16] ooh, glad I didn't register for Ubuntu Live...looks like it is cancelled === kewark is now known as krawek [16:20] nixternal: where's that announced? [16:20] hasn't been announced, but they sent emails out to the speakers telling them it is cancelled [16:21] nixternal: you were a speaker? [16:21] don't know if you read ubuntu users planet or not...that is where I have seen it thus far..and someone asked just a bit ago in #ubuntu-devel [16:21] Riddell: no [16:27] right [16:27] cancelled? [16:28] hum.. isn't it part of linux world or something? [16:28] oscon [16:28] right [16:28] some talks will be moved to oscon [16:29] maybe oscon didn't have enough talk submissions? [16:29] yes. I expect that'll be it. :) [16:30] weird.. i dont remember a cfp extension or anything === davmor2_away is now known as davmor2 [16:37] seele: seen Tonio? [16:39] Riddell: he went up to his room after the lightening talks :-/ [16:40] ooh la la [16:42] seele: did he look grey? [16:42] (again) [16:42] grey? [16:42] pallid? [16:42] Gnome? [16:42] we found he vanished in sevilla for a while, because he caught the conference flu. [16:42] oh wait, that's brown [16:43] Hobbsee: ah no, but it is something else [16:43] blue maybe, not grey [16:43] ah [16:43] green? [16:44] hi Hobbsee btw :P [16:44] and seele of course :) [16:44] * seele waves. [16:44] heya! [16:45] Hobbsee: shouldn't you be asleep? [16:45] Jucato: er, yes [16:53] Hobbsee: what's that mailman admin script you use? [16:53] Riddell: listadmin. [16:54] seele: going on this tour? [16:54] Riddell: I'm planning on coming. [16:54] Riddell: maybe.. i'll be down in 5 minutes to see if they are still going [16:55] groovy, if this wiki page ever saves I'll be able to go and put my laptop away [16:55] Riddell: where you be? [16:55] seele: the foyer is the meeting area [16:56] is that on 3 or ground? [16:59] ground [16:59] critiques, proofreaders: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidKDE4Porting [17:00] * yuriy reading [17:00] hi yall, [17:01] I have installed adobe reader and have xpdf but none of them have registered with firefox 3 that they can open pdfs [17:01] a) how do I fix [17:01] and b) can you fix [17:02] * seele heads downstairs [17:03] c) is this your problem? [17:04] moope1: #kubuntu for support please [17:04] Riddell: we're using PackageKit AND Adept? [17:04] is Ubuntu moving to PackageKit then? [17:04] ooh that's going to be painful :) [17:05] yuriy: I know, I was just a little annoyed that it didnt do it out of the tin, I was hoping to understand why, hence you guys [17:05] yuriy: Hi. [17:05] yuriy: Howdy? [17:05] hi mornfall. doing well how are you? [17:05] Have you seen my message from (your) early morning? [17:05] i haven't had a chance to try the changes yet, but yes i read the messages [17:05] Ok. [17:05] I'm studying for exams. :). [17:06] mornfall: if you have a minute, I've been meaning to bounce an idea off you [17:13] Riddell: so do we know that pardus's tools are ported to KDE4? [17:16] !info packagekit [17:16] packagekit (source: packagekit): provides a software installation daemon. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.1.6-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 123 kB, installed size 596 kB [17:19] yuriy: Go on. [17:24] mornfall: what do you think of a Strigi based package index? [17:31] with the idea being that you have the package manager application, but then you can also have neat little features like say you search for firefox in kickoff and you don't have it installed, it can show up anyway with the option to install. or something similar with whatever desktop search interface ends up in kde4 [17:40] yuriy: We have tossed that idea at fosscamp, actually. [17:41] yuriy: Jos (of Strigi) promised he'll take a look, IIRC. It should be possible to plug the xapian index into strigi in fact. [17:41] yuriy: So we don't have to go through strigi in adept at all, just those that use strigi could see the data. [17:42] yuriy: And then maybe call adept if they want to do something about it... [17:42] (Through some clever mimeptype hacking.) [17:48] oh good. i'm not crazy [17:48] but I was thinking instead of xapian [17:48] originally I thought of it because it seemed strange to me to use another indexing system for adept when we have strigi in KDE [17:52] can someone breifly explain package kit to me? (if you have min) [17:55] jussi01: http://www.packagekit.org/pk-intro.html [17:57] yuriy: But you see, the xapian index is used by other tools as well and is outside of adept, really. [17:57] yuriy: So in fact, *not* using that one is duplicating effort. [17:58] (We would have two indices of the same data.) [17:58] Reading the xapian one in strigi would really be the best solution, IMHO. [17:58] mornfall: what other tools use the xapian index? [17:58] the package wasn't even in Ubuntu before at all [17:59] At least goplay and ept-cache do. [17:59] !info goplay [17:59]