[02:29] Hi! May I ask how to fix lintian warning about "debian-changelog-file-is-a-symlink" in multi-binary CDBS package? [02:50] Heya gang [02:53] Howdie bddebian [02:54] Heya RAOF [03:56] Could someone review this perl module that I packaged? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=liblocale-hebrew-perl [04:35] anybody about that happens to use Jabber? [04:35] LaserJock: i do [04:36] artfwo: are you running Hardy? [04:36] As do I. [04:36] yes [04:36] well, I'm having the weirdest situation right now [04:36] I've tried 3 gnome clients and all of them seem to connect but no people show up. I can't seen any contacts [04:36] are these people currently offline? [04:36] but I tried 2 KDE/Qt clients and they both work fine [04:37] I have about 5 online people [04:37] but with the gnome clients I can't even see offline people [04:37] it's just blank [04:37] what gnome clients did you try? [04:37] gajm, pidgin, and gossip [04:38] *gajim [04:38] LaserJock: Tried empathy? That works for me; you'll need the telepathy-gabble package to have a jabber handler. [04:38] * jdong is considering committing a cardinal sin over the summer... [04:38] that is, running opensuse 11 for the summer on my macbook [04:38] jdong: Playing starcraft unto 3 in teh morning? [04:38] jdong: don't do it! [04:38] RAOF: that's just ditching exam studying ;-) [04:38] jdong: maybe try Fedora? [04:38] LaserJock: well... I gave fedora 9 a shot yesterday actually... my initial reactions are not positive [04:39] Fedora looks fairly nice; I've got me a VM image that occasionally gets a run. [04:39] LaserJock: very strange indeed, but did you try "show offline buddies" option? [04:39] LaserJock: I think I will hold off before saying much more in case my judgement changes [04:39] artfwo: yep [04:39] jdong: oh really? I really like Fedora 9 [04:39] but getting an error dialog that says "The relationship trust hierarchy is invalid" on the first set of updates.... [04:39] for me much better than openSUSE [04:39] the re-what? [04:40] it ended with "This dialog is a known bug. Do not report this. This will be fixed in the next UI rollout" [04:40] granted, I found it amusing [04:40] Oooooh, owch. [04:40] and proceeded to use yum from the CLI [04:40] the overall polish and appearance is quite attractive [04:40] Yay stable upgrades? [04:40] RAOF: oh don't GET ME STARTED [04:41] RAOF: it installs a policy kit update. Guess what it does when installing said update? [04:41] RAOF: it forcibly restarts dbus+hal, which actually cascaded into my whole X session crashing. [04:41] Undoes all your configuration? [04:41] Even better! [04:41] whee! [04:41] jdong: serious? [04:41] LaserJock: no joke.... [04:41] I've not had any problems with updates [04:41] At least you get to test how well it recovers from half-configured packages. [04:42] RAOF: that, it seems to do remarkably well [04:42] packagekit? [04:42] RAOF: grrr, empathy does the same thing [04:42] pwnguin: well.. yeah. yum/rpm. [04:42] RAOF: it connects, but there's no contacts [04:43] LaserJock: That's really, really wierd. [04:43] yumex is what I use mostly [04:43] Because it *totally* works here. [04:43] packagekit can only install one package at a time [04:43] i donno. packagekit doesn't seem to offer anything significant versus update-manager [04:43] yeah ultimately I want to diversify my distro collection [04:43] LaserJock: perhaps there's some global gnome option (like proxy), that all gnome client try to use? [04:43] particularly after *unmentioned Debian vulnerability.....* [04:43] RAOF: I have -proposed enabled. I wondered if something there killed it. But it'd be weird that all gnome clients would do it [04:44] FWIW, I'm using finch (libpurple) on hardy-proposed [04:44] and it seems to be fine [04:44] LaserJock: I've got -proposed enabled, too. [04:44] bah [04:44] Proxy craziness? [04:44] I don't have a proxy [04:44] and in the gnome proxy setting it says "Direct Internet Connection" [04:45] it's gotta be something like that though [04:45] I don't think all the gnome clients use the same libraries [04:46] That's an obvious piece of desktop-specific shared config. [04:48] dang it, this is a brand new install, don't tell me I've screwed it up already :-) [04:49] pidgin and gajim have an XMPP console, you can try to trace the problem with it [04:49] does jabber store contacts? [04:50] pwnguin: of course [04:51] artfwo: ok, got the console, but there's nothing going on [04:51] you know how to use the console in pidgin? [04:52] blah, it works only when you're logged in [04:53] but pidgin --debug should do it [04:54] ah, after a while pidgin says it timed out [04:55] ok [04:55] using --debug I see all my contacts getting spit out to the terminal [04:55] but nothing shows up in the UI [04:56] not that's even weirder [04:56] *now [04:57] but now I get :

[04:57] and then a bit later it disconnects [04:58] I've got the same problem with jabber.org server in pidgin in the past [04:58] sometimes it just kicked me off [04:58] hence no contacts visible [04:59] ok [04:59] I know jabber.org just switched servers and they had some downtime [04:59] but I'm not sure how that would explain why the kopete and psi connected no problem [04:59] are they connected now? [05:00] I only do one at a time [05:00] but yes, I just ran psi and it took just a second for all my contacts to come up === RoAk is now known as RoAkSoAx [05:01] i give up then :) [05:03] artfwo: I'm able to talk with Hobbsee via psi right now [05:03] it actually works [05:05] ok, well screw it. I'll just use kopete and try again tomorrow [05:07] i've just logged to my old jabber.org account with pidgin, everything seems to be okay [05:08] I'll try a reboot and see if that possibly does anything, but other than that I'm stuck [05:08] perhaps I should sign up for a different account and try that too [05:30] ok, last ditch try I booted into Fedora and at least the buddy list shows up [05:30] but it says nobody is online which is a bit weird [05:31] oh wait, it just disconnected like on Ubuntu [05:31] lol xD [05:31] well, I'm going to say it's some weird jabber.org problem for now [06:36] heya === LucidFox_ is now known as LucidFox === asac_ is now known as asac === boomer` is now known as boomer === fta2 is now known as fta === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK-uds === kees_ is now known as kees === tb1 is now known as tbf === persia_ is now known as persia === tb1 is now known as tbf [09:33] superm1: TheMuso: could you please tell me your plans about vlc? [09:34] I noticed that the package has seriously diverged from debian (7.5M diff) [09:34] and it needs to be rebuilt against the new ffmpeg === Amaranth is now known as NotAmaranth [09:42] siretart: VLC in Ubuntu has a couple of embedded source packages (real Ubuntu source packages, not bits of upstream source) that shouldn't be embedded. [09:43] wgrant: I didn't look at the package for quite some time, but that's my impression, yes