| Cheesasaurus_Rex | I'm having a problem. My fonts are being displayed at 120dpi even when I set it to 96dpi. The only way I can seem to get 96dpi is to force it with startx. | 02:26 |
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| Cheesasaurus_Rex | This has only happened to me in Xubuntu. | 02:26 |
| xodiak | Maybe a simple question.... Which is lighter on resources, Gnome or KDE? | 02:36 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | Gnome is | 02:36 |
| xodiak | Thanks | 02:36 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | welcome | 02:36 |
| godlygeek | xodiak: xfce is lighter still, try xubuntu! :) | 02:37 |
| godlygeek | Cheesasaurus_Rex: and, actually, kde is lighter on memory than gnome by most benchmarks i've seen. | 02:43 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | I'll believe that | 02:44 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | but Ubuntu requires less RAM to run than Kubuntu | 02:44 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | although that doesn't necessarily mean that KDE requires more than gnome... | 02:44 |
| godlygeek | Here, for example: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html :) | 02:46 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | hm, interesting | 02:47 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | so it uses less resources despite all that bloat, eh? | 02:47 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | would you happen to have an answer to my question above, godlygeek? | 02:47 |
| godlygeek | i don't know anything about fonts, i'm afraid... | 02:47 |
| godlygeek | i don't even know how you'd be able to tell that you're getting 120 instead of 96 dpi fonts... :) | 02:48 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | you'd know | 02:48 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | The fonts would be sort of huge | 02:48 |
| godlygeek | why would the number of dots per inch affect the number of characters per inch? | 02:49 |
| godlygeek | if it does, i'd expect larger DPI to mean smaller font sizes... | 02:49 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | it uses more dots to draw the font | 02:50 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | that's why | 02:50 |
| godlygeek | that only makes sense if dots == pixels... | 02:51 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | they do | 02:51 |
| godlygeek | but, you can't change the number of pixels per inch... | 02:52 |
| godlygeek | that's fixed... | 02:52 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | No, but you can change how many pixels they use for fonts | 02:52 |
| godlygeek | but then that's not dpi... it's dots per glyph, or something... | 02:52 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | I didn't come up with the terminology | 02:53 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | so you'll have to ask someone else that | 02:53 |
| mr_sukor | help | 02:56 |
| godlygeek | Cheesasaurus_Rex: xdpyinfo | grep resolution ? | 02:56 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | that gives me 121x120 when I don't force it with startx, but that shouldn't matter | 02:57 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | you can set the font DPI in the User Interface in the Settings Manager | 02:58 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | I have it set to 96 there, and it's still giving me 120dpi fonts | 02:58 |
| godlygeek | are you passing startx any params? | 03:00 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | when I boot normally, no | 03:01 |
| godlygeek | you said that it works when you use startx, right? | 03:01 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | when I do startx -- -dpi "96x96" yeah | 03:01 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | I think it might be a driver issue since it was fine until I installed the nvidia driver | 03:02 |
| godlygeek | then the problem is that x isn't using 96 dpi by default - which has nothing to do with the xubuntu settings... | 03:02 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | no | 03:02 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | even if it uses 121x120, it should use 96 dpi | 03:02 |
| godlygeek | no? | 03:02 |
| godlygeek | i don't think it can... | 03:02 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | because before I installed this driver | 03:02 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | I would get 96dpi | 03:02 |
| godlygeek | but that's probably because the nvidia driver install regenerated xorg.conf... | 03:03 |
| godlygeek | and removed the part that would allow for 96 dpi fonts. | 03:03 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | It shouldn't because it wasn't there to begin with. | 03:03 |
| godlygeek | what's this do: grep DisplaySize /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 03:03 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | nothing, but it was never there to begin with, even in a backup before I installed the driver in Xubuntu | 03:06 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | *not even | 03:06 |
| godlygeek | Cheesasaurus_Rex: *shrug*... are you against adding it and seeing if it makes things work? | 03:08 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | I already tried that | 03:08 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | I only came here as a last resort :/ | 03:08 |
| godlygeek | well... to me it would make sense that the app can't override settings in the server... | 03:10 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | but to me it doesn't, because it did before, until I got the driver | 03:11 |
| godlygeek | that's proof, though, that it's a change at the server level that's affecting things. | 03:12 |
| godlygeek | that might mean that the old driver chose 96 dpi as its default res, and the nvidia one chooses 120... | 03:12 |
| godlygeek | When you add the DisplaySize setting to the "Monitor" section, does /var/log/Xorg.log report 96 dpi? | 03:12 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | no, it didn't | 03:14 |
| godlygeek | what did you put for DisplaySize, and what's your monitor's resolution? | 03:14 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | I don't remember, but I know that didn't work. | 03:15 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | It's 1440x900. | 03:15 |
| godlygeek | if it broke when you changed something at the server level, and you can fix it by changing a server parameter, there's no way you can fix it without changing something at the server level... | 03:17 |
| godlygeek | that's not font-specific, that's just knowledge of the architecture... | 03:18 |
| godlygeek | it means that the old driver did something differently from the new driver WRT choosing DPI... | 03:18 |
| godlygeek | and that you'll need to tell the new driver what to use for the DPI. | 03:18 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | well | 03:18 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | I've used this driver in Ubuntu too | 03:19 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | (as opposed to Xubuntu) | 03:19 |
| Cheesasaurus_Rex | without this problem | 03:19 |
| godlygeek | *shrug* - alright, maybe i'm wrong... but everything i'm seeing on the internet says that you need to have the x-server running at the desired DPI before tweaking anything with the fonts. | 03:20 |
| godlygeek | Cheesasaurus_Rex: btw - the supposed bloat of KDE apps is because of their massive shared libraries... | 03:33 |
| godlygeek | Cheesasaurus_Rex: but, that means that the cost for running a single KDE app is relatively much greater than running an entire desktop, where the shared libraries are actually being shared. | 03:33 |
| xodiak | godlygeek: catching up here. I am on xubuntu because this old system can't handle ubuntu too well. (don't remember where) but I saw an option where I could choose between Gnome and KDE | 04:04 |
| xodiak | Gnome was selected by default so I thought that I was using it. (total noob here so forgive the stupidity) | 04:05 |
| lobazo | please help me i can't restart cups in a terminal i wrote sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart it's says ok. but my printer hp 3740 is flinking | 04:54 |
| ___Alex___ | is xubuntu 8.04 less buggy than it's gnomish cousin? | 06:01 |
| ___Alex___ | how about xubuntu 8.04 vs 7.10? are they equally stable, or is 7.10 more stable? | 06:03 |
| zoredache | please define how 'stablility' should be measured? To me it sounds like a meanlingless word | 06:10 |
| Yashy | like BSD, break it down to sizes you're comfortable working with... | 06:17 |
| bloodboy | http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/883/av1894tg1.gif | 06:34 |
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