[02:26] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> I'm having a problem. My fonts are being displayed at 120dpi even when I set it to 96dpi. The only way I can seem to get 96dpi is to force it with startx.
[02:26] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> This has only happened to me in Xubuntu.
[02:36] <xodiak> Maybe a simple question.... Which is lighter on resources, Gnome or KDE?
[02:36] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> Gnome is
[02:36] <xodiak> Thanks
[02:36] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> welcome
[02:37] <godlygeek> xodiak: xfce is lighter still, try xubuntu!  :)
[02:43] <godlygeek> Cheesasaurus_Rex: and, actually, kde is lighter on memory than gnome by most benchmarks i've seen.
[02:44] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> I'll believe that
[02:44] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> but Ubuntu requires less RAM to run than Kubuntu
[02:44] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> although that doesn't necessarily mean that KDE requires more than gnome...
[02:46] <godlygeek> Here, for example: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html  :)
[02:47] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> hm, interesting
[02:47] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> so it uses less resources despite all that bloat, eh?
[02:47] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> would you happen to have an answer to my question above, godlygeek?
[02:47] <godlygeek> i don't know anything about fonts, i'm afraid...
[02:48] <godlygeek> i don't even know how you'd be able to tell that you're getting 120 instead of 96 dpi fonts...  :)
[02:48] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> you'd know
[02:48] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> The fonts would be sort of huge
[02:49] <godlygeek> why would the number of dots per inch affect the number of characters per inch?
[02:49] <godlygeek> if it does, i'd expect larger DPI to mean smaller font sizes...
[02:50] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> it uses more dots to draw the font
[02:50] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> that's why
[02:51] <godlygeek> that only makes sense if dots == pixels...
[02:51] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> they do
[02:52] <godlygeek> but, you can't change the number of pixels per inch...
[02:52] <godlygeek> that's fixed...
[02:52] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> No, but you can change how many pixels they use for fonts
[02:52] <godlygeek> but then that's not dpi...  it's dots per glyph, or something...
[02:53] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> I didn't come up with the terminology
[02:53] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> so you'll have to ask someone else that
[02:56] <mr_sukor> help
[02:56] <godlygeek> Cheesasaurus_Rex: xdpyinfo | grep resolution   ?
[02:57] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> that gives me 121x120 when I don't force it with startx, but that shouldn't matter
[02:58] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> you can set the font DPI in the User Interface in the Settings Manager
[02:58] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> I have it set to 96 there, and it's still giving me 120dpi fonts
[03:00] <godlygeek> are you passing startx any params?
[03:01] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> when I boot normally, no
[03:01] <godlygeek> you said that it works when you use startx, right?
[03:01] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> when I do startx -- -dpi "96x96" yeah
[03:02] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> I think it might be a driver issue since it was fine until I installed the nvidia driver
[03:02] <godlygeek> then the problem is that x isn't using 96 dpi by default - which has nothing to do with the xubuntu settings...
[03:02] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> no
[03:02] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> even if it uses 121x120, it should use 96 dpi
[03:02] <godlygeek> no?
[03:02] <godlygeek> i don't think it can...
[03:02] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> because before I installed this driver
[03:02] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> I would get 96dpi
[03:03] <godlygeek> but that's probably because the nvidia driver install regenerated xorg.conf...
[03:03] <godlygeek> and removed the part that would allow for 96 dpi fonts.
[03:03] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> It shouldn't because it wasn't there to begin with.
[03:03] <godlygeek> what's this do:  grep DisplaySize /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:06] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> nothing, but it was never there to begin with, even in a backup before I installed the driver in Xubuntu
[03:06] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> *not even
[03:08] <godlygeek> Cheesasaurus_Rex: *shrug*... are you against adding it and seeing if it makes things work?
[03:08] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> I already tried that
[03:08] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> I only came here as a last resort :/
[03:10] <godlygeek> well... to me it would make sense that the app can't override settings in the server...
[03:11] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> but to me it doesn't, because it did before, until I got the driver
[03:12] <godlygeek> that's proof, though, that it's a change at the server level that's affecting things.
[03:12] <godlygeek> that might mean that the old driver chose 96 dpi as its default res, and the nvidia one chooses 120...
[03:12] <godlygeek> When you add the DisplaySize setting to the "Monitor" section, does /var/log/Xorg.log report 96 dpi?
[03:14] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> no, it didn't
[03:14] <godlygeek> what did you put for DisplaySize, and what's your monitor's resolution?
[03:15] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> I don't remember, but I know that didn't work.
[03:15] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> It's 1440x900.
[03:17] <godlygeek> if it broke when you changed something at the server level, and you can fix it by changing a server parameter, there's no way you can fix it without changing something at the server level...
[03:18] <godlygeek> that's not font-specific, that's just knowledge of the architecture...
[03:18] <godlygeek> it means that the old driver did something differently from the new driver WRT choosing DPI...
[03:18] <godlygeek> and that you'll need to tell the new driver what to use for the DPI.
[03:18] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> well
[03:19] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> I've used this driver in Ubuntu too
[03:19] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> (as opposed to Xubuntu)
[03:19] <Cheesasaurus_Rex> without this problem
[03:20] <godlygeek> *shrug* - alright, maybe i'm wrong... but everything i'm seeing on the internet says that you need to have the x-server running at the desired DPI before tweaking anything with the fonts.
[03:33] <godlygeek> Cheesasaurus_Rex: btw - the supposed bloat of KDE apps is because of their massive shared libraries...
[03:33] <godlygeek> Cheesasaurus_Rex: but, that means that the cost for running a single KDE app is relatively much greater than running an entire desktop, where the shared libraries are actually being shared.
[04:04] <xodiak> godlygeek: catching up here. I am on xubuntu because this old system can't handle ubuntu too well.  (don't remember where) but I saw an option where I could choose between Gnome and KDE
[04:05] <xodiak> Gnome was selected by default so I thought that I was using it. (total noob here so forgive the stupidity)
[04:54] <lobazo> please help me i can't restart cups in a terminal i wrote sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart it's says ok. but my printer hp 3740 is flinking
[06:01] <___Alex___> is xubuntu 8.04 less buggy than it's gnomish cousin?
[06:03] <___Alex___> how about xubuntu 8.04 vs 7.10?  are they equally stable, or is 7.10 more stable?
[06:10] <zoredache> please define how 'stablility' should be measured?  To me it sounds like a meanlingless word
[06:17] <Yashy> like BSD, break it down to sizes you're comfortable working with...
[06:34] <bloodboy> http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/883/av1894tg1.gif