/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/05/21/#kubuntu-devel.txt

* awen- votes for early death of display-config00:00
awen-ScottK-uds: btw... did you have time for a quick look at the changelog i linked to?00:00
* awen- had a very wobbly internet connection tonight, so might have missed it00:07
ScottK-udsThat was annoying.  Did I miss anything?00:08
awen-ScottK-uds: http://awen.dk/packages/changelog00:08
awen-ScottK-uds: how much more than the kubuntu_32_* patch is SRU material?00:08
awen-ScottK-uds: full debdiff is here if you need it http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu18.debdiff00:09
ScottK-udsawen-: I think the new hardware might go.  Why did you rename i810 to intel?  Aren't those two different things?00:10
ScottK-udsGo = Go into an SRU00:10
ScottK-udsAlso don't forget the target is intrepid, not hardy.00:10
awen-ScottK-uds: from the man-pages intel looks to support the same cards as i810 and some more00:11
ScottK-udsawen-: It does and it's the newer driver, but we still have i810.  Also for now, i810 supports Xinerama, so you have some hope of multiple screens with it.  With Intel you are doomed.00:12
ScottK-udsAlso we parse the list of installed drivers anyway now, so I don't think it needs updating.00:13
* ScottK-uds is running on Intel right now.00:13
awen-ScottK-uds: ahh ... good point00:13
awen-ScottK-uds: so both the added pci-id and the kubuntu_32 patch should be possible for an SRU?00:14
* seele pokes mhb00:14
ScottK-udsI would think.  I'd ask Riddell though.  I'm still new enough at core stuff that I'm not comfortable with deciding.00:14
seeleshouldnt you be sleeping?  you have an exam tomorrow00:14
awen-ScottK-uds: okay ... i'll have a new *ubuntu18 for intrepid ready for you sometime tomorrow; and i'll give an SRU package a go, and adapt it to Riddell's wishes00:16
ScottK-udsOK.00:17
* ScottK-uds better get his port of all the patches to Debian done soon or it'll never be done as patches pile up.00:17
awen-ScottK-uds: did we ever get all the patches into the svn?00:18
ScottK-udsNo.  I've been working on it.  They're rules file is substantially different than ours and they have a couple of patches that we don't that make it all a bit tricky to sort out.00:19
awen-ScottK-uds: ahh ... i see00:20
awen-ScottK-uds: got a list with description for all our patches ... and what could be dropped, if you need it some time00:21
ScottK-udsOK.  If there are patches we don't need (and I shouldn't push to Debian) please let me know (mail me the list).00:21
awen-ScottK-uds: here http://awen.dk/packages/guidance/commit-notes.txt00:22
awen-ScottK-uds: you've got it as a mail, too00:27
ScottK-udsOK.  Thanks.00:28
awen-ScottK-uds: and a new debdiff is ready http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu18.debdiff00:31
ScottK-udsawen-: It's a bit late now.  I'll try and look at it tomorrow, but no promises.00:31
awen-ScottK-uds: no problem ... please concentrate on the UDS while there :)00:32
daskReechBeta 1 :)00:38
awen-goodnight people00:45
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jjesseevening :)02:19
Jucatomorning ;)02:19
jjessehow's it going Jucato?02:20
Jucatodoing great :)02:20
Jucatohow about you? :)02:20
nixternalshh, I am trying to sleep here :p02:20
jjessehelp i'm being forced to watch american idol02:21
Jucatolol02:21
nixternalhaha02:21
Jucatotorture!!02:21
nixternalI am watching "Dancing with the stars"02:21
jjessewife loves it02:21
jjessegagh02:21
Jucato(well at least it wasn't [Bulgarian] Music Idol"02:21
jjessewould raher watch idol02:21
JucatoI saw this dancing competition for kids..02:22
nixternalI can't stand the judges on idol02:22
Jucatothat's disturbing :)02:22
nixternalheh02:22
Jucatoso you're using Dancing with the stars to help you sleep? fascinating02:23
nixternalhehe, I am building KDE 4 trunk/02:23
Jucatooh even more fascinating!02:23
nixternalchanging my laptop from Kubuntu to openSUSE02:23
JucatoHeadlines: Building KDE 4 trunk induces sleep02:24
Jucatohahahaha!02:24
Jucatonow *that* is disturbing :D02:24
nixternalwhat is02:24
Jucato <nixternal> changing my laptop from Kubuntu to openSUSE02:24
nixternalwhy is that?02:24
Jucato:P02:24
Jucatoj/k of course :)02:24
nixternalafter talking to zonker from Novell, I am going to start working on openSUSE02:25
JucatoI was running Fedora 9 on my laptop actually02:25
Jucatoso that makes 3?02:25
nixternalI would like a job in open source and that seems the most likely route02:25
Jucato(Kubby, Foreeye and openSUE?)02:25
nixternalnope, just going to be working on openSUSE now02:25
Jucatooh...02:26
nixternalif you believe that, I own the entire outback in Australia if you would like to purchase it02:26
nixternalbooyah! I had you going didn't I02:26
Jucatonot really :)02:26
nixternalliar!02:26
Jucato(but I wouldn't be surprised if you started working on openSUSE too)02:26
nixternalI might have a job in open source already :)02:26
Jucatobut the  "just going to be working on openSUSE " gave you away02:27
nixternalactually, I will start playing with it more as I am going to have to build some .spec files02:27
* Jucato thinks openSUSE is really our stiffest KDE competition...02:27
nixternaleither will be: a) Linux Packaging and Development Engineer, b) Open Source Manager, or c) both A and B02:28
JucatoFedora has a looooong way to go, and imho their decision to have KDE 4 only did more damage than good02:28
nixternaland when I interviewed yesterday, I met all of the developers, and all but a few are using Ubuntu02:28
Jucatooh...02:29
JucatoI choose option c)02:29
nixternalhehe02:29
Jucato(for you)02:29
Jucatoyou're obviously great at both.. at the same time02:29
Jucato:D02:29
nixternalwell it is a startup, so if they do offer a job, it will probably be c)02:29
jjesseyay for you02:29
nixternalI hope...had my fingers crossed now since yesterday :)02:30
jjessecongrats if it works out nixternal02:30
nixternalthank you sir02:30
jjessemight get cramped?02:30
nixternalalready cramping up02:30
nixternalhehe02:30
JucatoI bet you'll get it :)02:30
nixternalwell, I have 2 friends that work there that got the ball rolling...so I feel somewhat positive :)02:31
nixternalthe one thing they would want me to do though is get Mark to sync Ubuntu releases with our products :p02:31
nixternals/our/their - talking like I work there already :)02:31
Jucatolol02:32
yuriynixternal: hah! i knew all you chicagoans were SUSE people when i saw this! http://people.brandeis.edu/~ykozlov//temp/imgp2708a.jpeg02:34
nixternalhahahaha02:34
nixternaldid you go to Lincoln Park Zoo?02:34
yuriynixternal: no, aquarium02:34
nixternaloh ya, forgot they have lizards and stuff now02:34
* jjesse is downloading opensuse right now02:37
yuriyit must be contageous02:37
JucatoI'm waiting for openSUSE 1102:37
nixternalhehe02:37
Jucatospeaking of suse.. anyone has a 6.9 lying around? :)02:37
nixternalyou guys want to know the best KDE distro out there right now hands down?02:37
jjesselol no02:37
jjessei'm having problems with SLED rigth now and my wireless card02:38
jjessewhat is the best kdE distro?02:38
nixternalKubuntu silly!02:38
Jucatohm.. openSUSE02:38
Jucato:D02:38
nixternalhaha02:38
nixternalgotcha!02:38
jjessedebian?02:38
jjesseslackware?02:38
JucatoDebian's not a KDE distro!!!02:39
jjessemandrake?02:39
Jucato:D02:39
nixternalis slackware?02:39
nixternalmandrake? ok mr. oldypants02:39
jjessegrin02:39
nixternalhehe02:39
jjessei have my slackware 9 cds someplace02:39
Jucatogentoo!!!02:39
nixternallol02:39
nixternalI have Slackware 6 CDs still02:39
nixternalI actually used them to make a CD lamp02:39
nixternalman, I wish this guy would reply to my email about a bike he is selling02:40
Jucatomountain bike or motor bike?02:40
nixternalroad bike02:40
nixternalbicycle02:40
Jucato:D02:41
Jucatowith training wheels? :D02:41
nixternalI am looking to see if I would be interested in riding a bicycle and if I would..so I have been scouring craigslist for a super cheap road bike02:41
jjessenope a tricyle02:41
nixternalheh, my fat arse would get stuck in a tricycle02:42
jjessepaula abdul is such a train wreck02:42
jjesse"you are standing in your truth"02:42
jjessewhat the heck does that mean02:42
nixternaleveryone on idol is a train wreck02:42
jjessei just got a mental of picture of nixternal on a hot wheel02:43
jjessekde4 is only what fedora provides?02:44
Jucatojjesse: yes02:46
jjessethat's interesting02:46
Jucatobut setup so that some kde3 apps can be installed02:46
Jucatobut still... it's 4 point oh for crying out loud!02:46
jjessetell me how you really feel02:46
Jucatohm?02:47
jjessethat was sarcasm in regards to how you really feel in regards to what fedora is doing02:48
Jucatoha hehehe02:48
Jucatosorry multitasking in #kde :P02:48
jjessenot allowed to multitask :)02:51
Jucatoheheh02:52
jjessewow there are a lof bugs in "ubuntu" that reference Kubuntu which are way way old02:53
jjessehrm some packages i don't ever know02:56
jjessehrm bug related question: there is a bug that talks about a translation problem, that should be closed as not a vaild bug correct?02:58
jjessepoint them to the team that does translation?02:58
nixternalme on a hotwheel? now that is just wrong!03:00
nixternaljjesse: I will actually subscribe the translation people and change the bug to one of the translation packages03:01
nixternalif it is a valid bug of course03:01
jjesseits a translation item since pre-dapper03:01
nixternalI love those03:02
jjessepre dapper bugs?03:02
jjessethey are the best03:02
nixternal...a guy in the UK arrested for having more than 16,000 child porn photos is using the unique defense that it's all Google's fault for making it so easy to access the photos.03:03
nixternalthat's it! I am blaming google for everything from now on03:03
jjesselol03:03
jjessethats disgusting btw03:03
nixternaloh, a bug in translations? that is Google's fault03:03
nixternaljjesse: you need to subscribe to Techdirts RSS feeds..they have the best news articles of any tech site I have seen to date03:04
nixternaland their editors are very good at journalism and writing03:04
jjesseintersting will have to check them out03:04
jjessetechdirt.com?03:05
nixternalyes03:05
nixternalSenator Joe Lieberman, who heads the Senate Committee on Homeland Security is upset with Google for letting terrorists post videos on YouTube.03:05
nixternalisn't he the guy that said he would fight for people's freedoms?03:05
jjessedon't remember03:05
JontheEchidnaoh lawd, "if anyone can use youtube, then the terrorists win!"03:06
JontheEchidnaseries of tubes! series of tubes! series of tubes!03:06
nixternallol03:07
JontheEchidnabreaking news: new youtube captcha implemented! Upon every page load, a captcha which involves responding to a voice shouting "ARE YOU A TERRORIST!?" via your microphone. If you have a terrorist-ish accent (hint, arabic) then you fail the captcha03:08
JontheEchidnaSeriously, what do they think they can do about it? Tell youtube to add a clause to their tos forbiding terrorists to use youtube?03:09
JontheEchidnaBecause bloodthirsty killers have a real nice track record of following the rules03:09
nixternallol, so true..and nothing like members of the US government promoting sensorship once again03:10
jjesseJontheEchidna: its the same thing about making people register handguns and other weeapons03:10
nixternalyup yup yup03:10
jjesselike the people who commit murder register all their guns03:10
jjesseor who commit other crimes03:10
JontheEchidnaHeh, it's not like a serial killer worries about registering their guns or following the law in general03:11
jjesseexactly03:11
jjessei felt a little silly taking my handguns to the sherrifs office to register them03:11
nixternalthey will have to rip my guns from my cold dead hands to register them anymore than they already are03:13
nixternalIllinois said I have to register my legally purchases firearms again...I told them to pack sand03:13
yuriyi think having to register guns is useful03:14
yuriyif nothing else, as a deterrent to buying a gun at all03:14
jjessehrmm maybe we need to move to kubuntu-devel-offtopic to continue03:14
yuriywe have that?03:15
yuriynope03:15
yuriythink you mean #kubuntu-offtopic03:15
nixternalwe need to purchase more guns!03:15
nixternalif we don't, the gangbangers do, leaving us defenseless03:15
yuriyor they just take yours, which most people don't know how to wield anyway03:16
nixternalif they take mine, then they can have it...but taking it would be a bit difficult03:16
nixternalI have some locked in a safe that I cannot open for the life of me03:17
jjessethat sucks03:17
jjessehrm there is a lot of ubiquity related bugs that reference kubuntu that need someone to look at03:20
jjessethey are all old03:20
nixternalI should take a look at those03:21
yuriythere are a lot of * related bugs that reference kubuntu that need someone to look at :(03:21
jjessegrin i'm looking at some of them tonight03:21
nixternallook at all of them tonight while you are at it :)03:23
jjessenixternal: nice try buddy its time for bed03:23
nixternalbed is for the weak :p03:23
nixternalnot even 22:30 there03:23
jjesseguess i'm weak then03:23
nixternalhaha03:23
jjessenight talk to you all later03:25
nixternalg'nite03:25
Jucatonight night jjesse03:27
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DaskreecHAnyone recall when they redid the LPI Syllabus?05:15
nixternalprobably a long time agao05:15
nixternalago05:15
nixternalif you are planning on taking it, brush up on RPMs05:16
DaskreecHThey have a Debian section :)05:17
nixternalya, but they also have a RPM section05:19
DaskreecHMandatory?05:19
nixternalyup05:19
DaskreecHIt has changed since I last took it05:19
nixternalif so, not much has changed05:20
nixternalo'reilly hasn't updated their LPIC in a Nutshell in a few years05:20
nixternalwhen that gets updated, then you know there have been some changes05:20
DaskreecH...05:21
DaskreecHWell there was a point when the president left and they went under new management05:21
nixternaleverything has pretty stayed the same..when the ubuntu certification stuff was being created, they had the staff syllabus which was like 4 years old05:22
nixternalstaff? wth did that come from05:22
DaskreecHwho relooked at the syllabus cause it had some silly stuff like the newest kernel was 2.4 and  XFree86 305:22
nixternalhrmm, dunno05:23
DaskreecHWell not really the newest was Xfree86 3. I remember they had Xfree86 4 stuff on the exam but even Redhat was shipping with Xorg by then05:23
nixternalthey still have xfree86 stuff on there05:23
nixternalI need to finish LPIC 205:24
DaskreecHThey redid they syllabus to be more pertinent (This was LPI 1  & 2) then they went on to define LPI 3 which was always on the papers but had never been actually defined05:24
DaskreecHWhich is where Ubuntu certs came in05:24
nixternal2006 was the last edition according to their website05:27
DaskreecHLPI ?05:27
DaskreecHYeah that's about right05:27
DaskreecH the Ubuntu certs were first handed out like feb 200705:27
DaskreecHso like Nov 2006 is about right05:27
DaskreecH'm not seeing updated books after that05:28
DaskreecHHmm05:29
DaskreecHhttp://www.youtube.com/ubuntudevelopers05:29
DaskreecH^_^05:29
DaskreecHnixternal: which page did you see that?05:33
flaccidthere are ubuntu certifications05:36
flaccid?05:36
DaskreecH:-)05:36
DaskreecHFirst one was "won" in south africa05:36
flaccidis there ubuntu certifcation as engineers etc. ?05:37
flaccidlike a ccna05:37
DaskreecHLike I can engineer an Ubuntu for you?05:38
flaccida certification for ubuntu like redhat05:38
DaskreecHYeah essentially05:39
DaskreecHexcept not made by Ubuntu05:39
flaccidno official ones basically?05:39
DaskreecHNo no It's official05:39
DaskreecHjust not run by canonical05:39
flaccidah ok so what is it called, have you got a URI?05:42
DaskreecHgo to LPI.org05:43
DaskreecH they pimp it all over the site05:43
DaskreecH for some reason05:43
flaccidah its with lpi05:43
flaccidthanks DaskreecH05:43
flaccidright so http://lpi.org/eng/certification/ubuntu_certified_professional . except doesn't say if its in australia05:44
DaskreecHWell if you can do LPI in australia then it's in australia05:47
flaccidDaskreecH: http://lpi.org/eng/global_partners/local_lpi_organizations closest appears to be china!05:48
flaccidaustralia is ripped off heh :)05:49
DaskreecH;-)05:49
flaccidi aint getting redhat..maybe there is something debian here in oz05:50
flaccidlinux.conf.au did em in 2005 but i can't seen anything on their current site05:55
DaskreecHExams?06:01
DaskreecHBah most of the LPI books suck06:02
flaccidhmm it linked me through to linux.org.au before hmm06:02
flaccidcan you see exams section on those sites at all?06:03
* DaskreecH shrugs06:05
DaskreecH No idea what you are talking about06:05
nixternalkde4 trunk is umf umf umf beautiful and fun06:05
flaccidlpi exams in australia with linux.conf.au or linux.org.au ..06:07
DaskreecHBeat 1 is next week rigth ?06:07
DaskreecHIf you want to you can make contact with LPI directly06:08
flaccidsorry i don't know what beat1 is06:08
DaskreecHIf you have 6 or 7 guys sitting with you they will work out exam stuff06:08
DaskreecHBeta 106:08
flaccidsitting?06:08
flaccidok06:09
DaskreecHflaccid: It's the newplugin for Amarok - traKmasta06:09
flaccidah ok, im way behind...06:09
flaccidi just installed amarok-nightly from repos and can't start it: /opt/amarok-nightly/bin/amarok: error while loading shared libraries: libQtWebKit.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory06:10
DaskreecHHmm starts for me06:11
DaskreecHStill can't get sound FROM KDE though I can get Sound IN it06:12
flaccidhmm need libqtwebkit-dev and libqt4-dev it seems06:12
DaskreecHFor sound?06:13
DaskreecHoh to get amarok working06:13
flaccidok it loaded with installing libqt4-dev06:14
DaskreecH~What packages do I need for Phonon?06:20
DaskreecHor a better question Do i need to install Phonon to see my sound hardware?06:20
flaccidbrb06:23
DaskreecHrb06:31
flaccidta i think06:36
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DaskreecHnixternal: There is AsterisKnow07:36
yao_ziyua1does anyone notice that kdesu <command> will use a default kde style that differs from yours? how do i change this system default kde style?08:20
larsivihi - after "downgrading" from kde4 yesterday, it wasn't detected that the default login thingy was removed, and now kdm refuse to start - which file do I need to edit for that?08:22
yao_ziyua1i see how now. kdesu systemsettings08:23
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Riddellnixternal: is your nixternal@ShakaDoobie key on ktown still ok?09:27
seelebrr.. 10 and raining today10:25
seelelovely10:25
Riddellmorning seele10:26
Nightroseheya10:27
seelehallo10:28
seelethese grey days dont make it easy to get out of bed10:29
seelebut at least i'm keeping a few hours to my own time zone10:29
ScottK-udsWelcome wolfger10:39
wolfgergood morning!10:39
* Riddell high fives wolfger 10:39
wolfgerlol. OK, why am I suddenly popular?10:39
Riddellyour name just happened to come up at this UDS session when we were discussing motu who are into kde but not on #kubuntu-devel10:40
Riddellwolfger: you do bug work?10:40
wolfgermostly I triage bugs, yes.10:40
Riddelldo you know of yuriy and his kubuntu bug days?10:41
wolfgerI've heard the name, but was not aware that there were regularly scheduled Kubuntu bug days10:41
ScottK-udsyuriy meet wolfger.  wolfger meet yuriy.  You're both interested in Kubuntu bug triage.10:42
wolfgerHi, yuriy10:42
ScottK-udswolfger: It's not yet 0600 where yuriy is, so don't expect a quick response.10:44
wolfgerit's 0545 here. If he's in my time zone, that would be awesome.10:45
ScottK-udsAh.10:45
ScottK-udsYou're up early then.  Where are you located?10:45
wolfgerspeaking of which, I need to leave for work soon...10:45
wolfgerI'm in Michigan, USA10:45
seeleyay another american!10:45
ScottK-udsAh.  I live outside Baltimore, MD.10:45
\shwe are all americans in some ways ,-)10:45
wolfgerhome of Penguicon, where Jono meets The Tron Guy XD10:45
ScottK-udswolfger: You should definitely hang out here so we can coordinate better.10:46
wolfgerI'll make a habit of it10:46
ScottK-udsGreat.10:46
wolfgerI'll drop back in this afternoon/evening to ping yuriy again10:47
\shRiddell, will you visit LT this year? or is it too stressfull after UDS?10:47
wolfgerthanks for dragging me in, guys10:47
Riddell\sh: no, I'll be back off the continent11:14
\shRiddell, sad...hopefully we see you back in bad old germany during FrOScon? :)11:38
Riddelltoo many conferences..11:40
RiddellI hear Akademy is next door to Germany11:40
\shRiddell, where exactly? belgium, austria, swiss area, france, netherlands?11:49
Riddellbelgium11:49
\shRiddell, great...I just see the timeschedule for akademy...you can extend your stay and join froscon on 23+24th of august  ;)11:51
sebas\sh: Will you be at Akademy?11:51
seeleomg sebas is alive in kubuntu-devel?11:51
* seele faints.11:51
\shsebas, mostly, not11:51
\shsebas, I'm not really involved in kde things ;)11:52
sebasseele: yeah, sure I am.11:52
sebasI'm actually often following what's going on here11:52
sebas\sh: Not *yet* you mean11:52
seeleoh, i'll keep that in mind next time i talk about you :)11:52
sebasIt's like a party where you ask your sister to bring all her friends11:52
seeleonly if your sister has hot friends11:52
sebasseele: Ow, nevermind ;-)11:53
sebasRight.11:53
\shsebas, argh...I'm starting again to look into kde python stuff...so I'll put it on my holiday list...eventually :)11:53
sebas\sh: See, belgium has good beer and is close11:53
sebasseele: If you come to akademy don't forget to bring your hot friends eh11:53
seelesebas: i only have hot boy friends.  i dont know any girls11:54
sebas(/me tries and will see if that works)11:54
\shsebas, i have future-relatives in belgium (wife's sister ;)) somewhere near eiffel  area :)11:54
sebasseele: Well, we're certainly open for anything experimental11:54
seelelol11:54
\shbah...sebas went too often to cologne ;)11:54
sebas\sh: Good, bring your hot family! :)11:54
\shsebas, hmmm...they're black...but hot? dunno ;)11:54
seele\sh: i think we've extablished that hotness is the only thing that matters11:55
* sebas nods11:55
\shok..I'll make them hot, and explain: they are soooo hot, that's why their skin is totally burned...yeah that goes11:56
\shsebas, familiy is hot...trying to come :)11:56
sebasGood good11:56
\shI'm still waiting for my new motu shirt for LT:..."MOTU since 2005" as front print, and as back "Sexiest MOTU alive" ;911:56
sebasWay ... there'll be like 3 people that understand it, and one finds it funny11:57
sebas(that one is you yourself then :P)11:57
sebasEnough offending for now, I'll send boring emails now.11:57
\shohyes...boring todos...installing hardy on dual quad cores...:( bbl11:58
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidCouncil12:01
Riddellmore a collection of notes than a spec12:02
sebasWow, the fonts are .... funny12:02
seelesebas: on the webpage?12:03
sebasYes, I'm seeing archaic non-AA here12:03
sebasLooks like the 80s12:03
sebas(or the 90s on Linux :P)12:03
Riddelldoesn't windows still use non-AA?12:04
seeleyay lunchtime12:06
seeleRiddell: ScottK: lunch?12:07
Riddellseele: lets12:10
sebasRiddell: That doesn't mean we can do better :)12:11
seeleRiddell: ok.. i have to get my badge, i forgot it this morning12:11
seelebrt12:12
sebasseele: You're in Europe?12:12
seelesebas: yup, prague with Riddell and ScottK12:12
sebasAre you going to be in Berlin next week?12:13
seelesebas: no, i can't take that much time off of work at once unfortunately :(12:13
sebasBummer :/12:13
seeleit's going to be hard enough with the 3-4 weeks i'm trying to take this summer12:13
sebasI would have loved to meet your hot boy friends ;)12:14
seelelol, i'd only bring one with me :P12:14
seeleok.. off to lunch12:14
sebasSame as last time? :-)12:14
sebashf12:14
seelesebas: yes, same as last time13:04
sebasseele: Good girl13:14
__sourcemakerhow can I install a  Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)... is there a kernel problem?13:14
* sebas leaves the CodeYard office now13:14
__sourcemakerproblem solved.... I will install windows XP for this system...13:15
Hobbsee__sourcemaker: firstly, #kubuntu is the source channel13:16
Hobbseeer, support channel13:17
Hobbsee__sourcemaker: and i'd say, offhand, that you'd have to use ndiswrapper for it, because it doesn't have open drivers.13:18
Hobbseeso, who's the new council?13:29
seelei dont think it was decided yet13:29
Hobbseeaww13:31
\shI thought we agreed to approve only dictator positions for every team? ;)13:32
Hobbseedictator positions?13:34
Hobbseethat might be fun13:34
Hobbsee"YOU WILL FIX ALL BUGS.  BY FRIDAY!"13:34
\shhehe13:35
Hobbseeelse, you will get a Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!â„¢13:36
Hobbseeused on you.13:36
\shna that's too extreme...what about "if you don't make it, you have to write 1000 times: Kubuntu will not rule da world if I don't fix all bugs now"13:37
=== Czessi_ is now known as Czessi
ScottK-udsDo it or else Hobbsee will yell at you does seem to have a history of being effective (also don't do it or else ... seems to work).13:43
HobbseeScottK-uds: yes, the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!â„¢ really does seem to work.13:43
* \sh is not afraid...but I was always some kind of pain lover =:*>13:44
Hobbsee\sh: depends where it goes.13:45
Hobbseeit has a pointy end, and a *very* pointy end.13:45
\shHobbsee, you should talk to my GF13:47
\shHobbsee, but you are allowed to go to vmware labs and hit the people who were invtenting vmware infrastructure client to not be linux compatible13:48
Hobbseehehe13:48
Hobbseegot a ticket?  :)13:48
Hobbseeand a map?13:48
\shHobbsee, follow the smell of burned brain fragments ;-)13:49
Hobbsee\sh: but i've always been terrible at directions!13:50
* Nightrose hands Hobbsee marble with open streetmap support13:50
Nightrose;-)13:50
\shNightrose, sweetheart, I just looked at some pictures of UDS, and you were sitting there without a laptop?13:51
HobbseeNightrose: ahhh, now tha tmight be interesting13:51
nosrednaekimthe ICecast thing isn't working with  amarok13:52
\shnosrednaekim, it works13:52
Nightrose\sh: ;-) yea I really couldn't take my laptop down with me to the conference13:52
Nightroseit is the horror13:52
Nightrosebut I was one of 2 without a laptop there13:52
Nightrosethe other one was Mark :P13:52
\shnosrednaekim, just copy the url of the m3u playlist and File -> "Play media" and enter the url13:52
\shnosrednaekim, -> works13:52
\shNightrose, yes...I saw the picture as well...13:53
NightroseHobbsee: it is - very13:53
Nightrose;-)13:53
\shNightrose, but you were participating, while mark was sitting not directly at the table ;)13:53
nosrednaekim\sh: no suitable input plugin OR network problems13:53
Nightrosehehe yea and he was leaving the room every now and then13:53
Nightroseonly attending about 20 mins of every session13:54
nosrednaekimradio streams work well BTW...13:54
NightroseI hope the EEEPC thing works out13:54
Nightrosethat would be soooo cool13:54
Nightrosebut right now it looks like asus is taking its time13:54
\shnosrednaekim, then the icecast stream is not working :)13:55
nosrednaekimfun........13:56
\shnosrednaekim, #canonical-sysadmin and ask for fixing13:56
nosrednaekimah... sessions haven't started yet so they aren't up yet :)14:00
=== smarter_ is now known as smarter
mhbhi hi hi!14:34
mhbhow did the council talk go? or is it yet to come?14:34
Hobbseeit's gone14:35
seeleit happened.. but there werent any decisions afaik14:35
seelehttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidCouncil14:36
mhbhi seele14:36
mhbI got disconnect, you were saying?14:36
mhbdisconnected14:36
jeroen-should I use https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFutureIdeas to add new ideas or is there a special page for Intrepid wishes?14:36
seele09:35 < seele> it happened.. but there werent any decisions afaik14:36
seele09:36 < seele> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidCouncil14:36
seelemhb: that's all i said14:36
seelemhb: did you have your last exam?  did it go well?14:37
mhbwhat?14:37
mhball those guys, but not me?14:37
mhbwhat did I do?14:37
mhb:-)14:37
seelelol14:37
seeleyell at riddell14:37
mhb(just kidding, just in case you do not get it)14:37
seelethere wasn't a vote.. if you want to run maybe he will put your name on there14:37
* \sh votes for ScottK ...14:38
seele\sh: there are three slots i think14:38
mhbno, because I am totally angry now14:38
seelelol14:38
seelei dont even know how people gt on the council.  do the team members vote at a meeting?14:38
mhbusually14:38
\shseele, hopefully we have a vote via LP14:39
mhbRiddell: soo... why wasn't I named again?14:39
seeleno love14:40
mhbRiddell: I knew you didn't like me :o)14:40
seelemhb: i'll vote for you!14:40
* Hobbsee edits the page.14:40
mhbRiddell: what was it? was it the hair? I hope not the hair14:40
\shmhb, council seats are overrated ;)14:40
seelemhb: you could sabotage him in the hotel pool and take his council spot and canonical job!14:41
mhbright, but when all it takes to go to an exam and suddenly, everyone forgets about you :o)14:41
Hobbseethere we are, fixed.14:41
mhbnah, I'm a nice guy14:41
Hobbseecouncil is overrated, yes :P14:41
mhbat least I see myself that way14:41
mhbor am I too boring?14:41
mhb:o)14:41
Hobbseebut still, it's interesting when it's not just memberships14:41
jdavieshmm14:43
jjessemhb don't you have to attend meetigns to be considered for a council position?14:43
* jdavies feeds Hobbsee http://luiscosio.com/ubuntu-lettuce instead of the wikipage14:43
\shwell, I'm really not the right person to go and apply of a council seat.../me does use kde and gnome and whatever works for a special task14:43
Hobbseejdavies: hah.  nice.14:44
mhb\sh: also, your opinions are a bit extreme once in a while :o)14:44
jdaviesHobbsee: arg, I read s/edits/eats/ instead...14:44
mhbstill, I wonder why you don't like me14:45
mhbRiddell: I'm not going to forget that for a long, long time :o)14:46
\shmhb, regarding development decisions or memberships stuff? I don't think so :)14:46
mhb\sh: nah, just offtopic stuff14:46
\shmhb, everbody needs a hobby..:)14:46
seelemhb: are you coming back for tonight?14:47
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mhbseele: tonight being?14:48
mhbseele: nobody told me14:48
* Hobbsee added mhb on there, anyway.14:48
mhbseele: what's going on?14:49
mhbseele: I mean, I can come14:49
seelemhb: i dunno.. drinking and debauchery i assume14:49
mhbHobbsee: yes, but only because I'm a whiny type14:50
Hobbseemhb: no.  i added you because i expected you to be on there, and you weren't there.14:50
mhbHobbsee: not because I actually come to mind14:50
mhbseele: hmm, hmm14:50
* Hobbsee already told ScottK-uds this, prior to the discussions in here14:50
seelemhb: another KDEer is coming in tonight as well.. scott wheeler14:50
seelemhb: it will be a big kde party!14:50
mhbseele: okay...14:50
seeleplus there will be people to crash with if you dont go back14:50
mhbseele: but when? where?14:51
ScottK-udsseele: I'm going out with Ondrej Certik, so I won't be seeing you tonight I don't think.14:51
seeleScottK-uds: that's ok.  i wont vote for you now though ;P14:51
mhbseele: I'll be at UDS around 17:30, if I go right now14:51
seelemhb: don't let that deterr you.  ScottK isn't nearly as nice in person as people say14:51
mhbheh :o)14:51
seelemhb: ok.. there is a KDE session from 17-18 you can participate in14:52
mhbis there?14:52
mhbokay...14:52
seeleKubuntu File Sharing14:52
mhbhmm, should I change clothes or keep the formal ones?14:52
seelemhb: mmm.. i dunno if anyone dresses up so whatever you are comfortable with14:52
mhbseele: okay14:53
mhbseele: I'm on my way14:53
mhbsee you14:53
seeleyay14:53
\shnobody is voting anybody because of being nice ,-)14:55
nosrednaekimthat audio is hard to hear... from the Icecast15:00
Nightroseyea :(15:01
nosrednaekimanyone know if the VOIP is any better? I might go though the trouble of doing that is so15:03
\shnosrednaekim, just tell them to speak louder...or open up the mic...last time it was possible15:07
nosrednaekimhow do I tell them to do that? the IRC channel?15:08
yuriymorning wolfger15:12
yuriyyep, you're in my timezone15:12
yuriyglad someone dragged the latest top 5-a-dayer in here15:12
awen_hi yuriy ... yeah, you must be somewhat alone over there in your time-zone ;)15:20
ScottK-udsmhb: Are you around?15:24
awen_ScottK-uds: he left to join you at UDS half an hour ago ... per the irc log15:28
ScottK-udsOK.  Thanks.15:29
ScottK-udsIs there anyone here who knows how to find the Czech loco team on Launchpad?15:29
NightroseScottK-uds: there doesn't seem to be one besides https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-l10n-cs15:33
ScottK-udsNightrose: Thanks.15:33
yuriyawen_: only alone among KDE people15:36
yuriyseems only the germans can get their libraries right15:37
awen_that sentence looks to be pulled somewhat out of context, he15:39
yuriyheh15:39
awen_but finally things happen in a sensible time-zone (CET) :)15:40
yuriyyou mean EDT isn't sensible? it's only arbitrarily shifted one hour!15:41
awen_nah ... but end up following it somewhat then doing kubuntu-stuff ;) ... and ends up getting to bed much to late!15:43
=== evalles_ is now known as effie_jayx
Riddellmhb: I can tell you exactly why, your name is written down in my notes but it's included in the list of people already on the council, for some reason I keep making that mistake :)15:50
mhb_udsseele: I made it16:08
NightroseScottK-uds: ^16:08
seelemhb_uds: yay!16:09
ScottK-udsmhb_uds: Great.  Can you come over to the server room for a minute?16:12
ScottK-udsNightrose: Thanks16:12
Nightrose:) no prob16:12
=== mhb is now known as bhm
=== mhb_uds is now known as mhb
nixternalRiddell: no, I sent you an email with the updated key for shakadoobie16:20
nixternalyou can scrape it from https://launchpad.net/~nixternal if you need to16:21
nixternalhrmm16:30
jjesseyas?16:30
nixternal10:25:53              <   nixternal!n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal []16:30
nixternalI don't even know which channel I quit16:31
jjessegrin16:31
jjessenixternal: did you see due date for kde 4.1 documentation ?16:37
mhbScottK-uds: server room? Sorry, must have missed that... what was it about?16:37
jjessewow i love having a sustained transfer rate off a download of 1mb/s16:38
bhmseele: are we meeting in the lobby? nowish? or am I mistaken?17:12
* vorian waves18:23
* Nightrose waves back18:25
jdaviesvorian: you "contributing developer" yet?18:28
voriannope18:29
voriani guess I sux0rz18:29
vorian:P18:29
* jdavies pokes nixternal *psst*18:30
* nixternal runs18:30
vorianor its nixternal's fault18:30
nixternalhehe18:30
vorian:D18:30
nixternalwe need 1 more vote on ya vorian and I just emailed the MC members to give you that vote18:30
jdaviesoh goodie18:30
nixternalvorian: just so you know, you already got it, just need that 1 official vote18:30
vorianexcellent18:30
vorianI'm all ready to start messing stuff up next week!18:31
nixternalmy eyes are crossed from looking through the membership queue18:31
vorianjust think of the number of motu's you'll have at the end of this cycle18:31
jdavies42?18:32
voriannixternal: I suppose I need to planetize our membership meeting18:33
vorianjdavies: yup! :D18:33
nixternalooh yes please do...I forgot to do that18:33
vorianI'm on it now18:33
jdaviesvorian: it's the answer to everything! :D18:33
nixternalI am swamped right now putting together a doc marathon for KDE18:33
vorianeeek18:33
nixternalwow, now the Ubuntu Live website says it has been cancelled18:39
jjessei saw that a post asking for more detail on planet.ubuntu.com i think18:39
nixternalpeople started getting the emails yesterday18:40
* nixternal thinks it may be due to the fact people don't want to pay all of that money for it18:40
jjesseyou mean not all confrences should be sponsored for you?18:40
nixternalwell no, but they shouldn't cost $60018:41
nixternalPyCon didn't even cost that much18:41
jjessethats cheap for some confrences18:41
nixternalhell, CES and NAB, the 2 largest conferences in the world don't even cost that much :)18:41
jjessedo  the techbase instructions for compiling kde still work the saem for 8.04?18:42
jjesseany changes i need to make?18:42
nixternalanother problem I noticed with high priced conferences is that people will reply to a call for papers, get selected for their talk to get in free, only to give the worst presentation I have ever seen18:43
nixternaljjesse: yes, they work18:43
nixternalI have it down now...so I don't even have to look at techbase, except to grab the deps18:43
nixternalanyone else here with a kde4 trunk build?19:08
jjesseargh this is frustrating in suse 10.1 / open suse 10.1 i can't get my intell wireless card to work19:20
nixternalI couldn't get any card to work with openSUSE19:22
jjessei'm actually using the paid version of suse19:23
jjessesled 10.119:23
nixternalhey, for Ohio Linux Fest, I am gonna give a talk, and I think I know what I will give it on19:24
nixternalmy KDE 4 talk is wearing thin, so I am going to do my Kubuntu talks now19:24
jjessewhen and where is ohio linux fest?19:24
jjessenext week i'm in columbus19:24
nixternalKommunity: Standing on the shoulders of Jono BaKon19:24
nixternalhahahahahahahahahaha19:24
nixternaljjesse: in October19:25
jjesseah19:25
nixternalor OKtober19:25
jjessewow Kubuntu 8.04 detects my video better, lets see if it detects my wireless card19:25
* jussi01 sighs... does koffice not open msoffice files (ie. .ppt .doc etc?)19:28
jdaviesnixternal: oKtober fest?19:50
jjessegumble 8.04 doesn't detect my wireless card19:51
jjessethat sucks19:51
nixternaljjesse: what card do you have again?19:52
jjesseintel 3945ABG wireless19:52
nixternalhrmm19:52
nixternalI know it works, probably have to do something funky with it..not sure19:52
jjesseprobablly19:53
jjessei can't get it to work at all under SUSE19:53
jjessemaybe cause I haven't "activated" the computer19:54
jjessei just wanted it to work out of the box19:57
jjessetime to google19:57
Tm_TFYI: I'm now engaged with my lady <320:29
nixternalcongrats!20:29
Tm_Tdanke sehr20:29
jdaviesTm_T: hertzlichen gluckwunsh!20:30
Nightrosewohoooooo Tm_T20:31
Nightrosecongrats20:31
Tm_Tindeed :))20:31
nixternalJucato: I know you know some docbook....time to get working on kde 4.1 docs man! hurry! :) /j #kde-docs20:36
nixternalI almost said /j #kubuntu-docs20:36
nixternalor typed rather20:36
wolfgeryuriy: hey. Same time zone, but evidently not same schedule... ;-)21:41
yuriyheh, yeah. 5:45.. geez21:44
wolfgerI typically am at my desk 5-6 AM, then I go to work. Home around 4:30-5:3021:52
yuriywolfger: anyways, so there were kubuntu hug days coinciding with ubuntu desktop hug days leading up to the Hardy release, but nothing recently21:54
yuriywhat sort of bugs have you been working on?21:54
wolfgermy favorite pass-time is cleaning up old bugs. Unassigned, incomplete for several months. Either mark invalid, or push them along.21:58
wolfgerSomething quick and easy to do in small spans of time. (well, usually they're quick and easy)21:59
wolfgerOf course, I want to get more involved.21:59
nixternalhow about making your favorite pass-time writing KDE 4.1 documentation? :)22:00
wolfgerugh. I really dislike writing docs. :-p22:01
wolfgerwhich is probably why it needs doing... nobody likes it.22:01
Nightroseexcept for nixternal22:01
nixternalmy recent blog post brought in 5 people working simultaneously on KDE 4.1 docs22:01
nixternalhehe22:02
Nightrosebut he also likes vista...22:02
Nightrose:P22:02
nixternalahhh, so Nightrose is in on the jokes now...OK, I will remember that one :)22:02
yuriynixternal: wow, nice!22:02
Nightrose;-)22:02
nixternalNightrose: so, did you make the e.V. or what?22:02
nixternalwhen are you going to recommend me? :)22:02
Nightrosenixternal: of course I did ;-)22:02
Nightroseas soon as you apply22:02
nixternalcongrats chica!22:02
Nightrosethx :)22:02
nixternalyou have to be recommended first I thought22:03
Nightrosewell you have to write your application22:03
nixternalplus you are cooler than I :)22:03
Nightroseand someone has to recommend you with this application22:03
Nightrosehehe22:03
Nightroseam I?22:03
nixternalmost definitely!22:03
nixternalyou get to travel all over and hang out with the kool hacKers22:03
Nightrose;-)22:03
Nightroselet me get you a link about the eV stuff22:03
Nightrosehehe true - but you could do that as well22:04
nixternalya, gotta get all of this money I owe the state taken care of first22:05
Nightrosenixternal: http://ev.kde.org/getinvolved/members.php22:05
nixternalgroovy, I will look into it22:05
Nightrose:) great22:05
Nightrosenixternal: do we have a deal? I recommend you for KDE eV and you me for Kubuntu menbership? :P22:06
Nightrose*membership22:06
Nightrosehmmm just tried suse with gnome in virtual box for the install party in 2 days22:08
NightroseI cannot with a good concious let people install this I think22:08
* Nightrose burns more kubuntu cds22:08
nixternalNightrose: you aren't a Kubuntu member yet?22:09
nixternalconsider it done :)22:09
Nightrosenope22:09
Nightrosehaha22:09
=== jonathan_ is now known as JontheEchidna
apacheloggeruh22:22
apacheloggerNightrose: Oo22:22
apacheloggerI actaully think suse gnome is a perfect desktop22:22
nixternalI think you are high on catnip again22:22
apacheloggerOo22:22
* apachelogger checks the webcam22:22
nixternalhaha22:22
apacheloggersomeone is spying on me22:23
apacheloggerstupid windows22:23
nixternalhaha22:24
Nightrosenixternal: i think you are right about the catnip thing22:24
nixternalwoo, finally I am right about something22:24
Nightrose;-)22:25
apacheloggerI think nixternal is totally underrated22:27
apacheloggerhe could lead kde into new ages if he wanted to22:27
apacheloggerwith pink oxygen themes and stuff22:28
nosrednaekimHEY! that was ME!22:28
nosrednaekimI'd be his artist..... for the teeny-boppers22:28
apacheloggeryeah22:28
nixternalya, that was Mikey! all his fault!22:28
apacheloggerI didn't say he would do it22:28
apacheloggerbut defenitely lead22:28
nixternalman, I had done a apt-get upgrade, finished the upgrade, got to the place I was to give my KDE 4 presentation, booted up, and everyone saw that pink crap22:29
nosrednaekimhe'd have to perform a coop on aaron22:29
nixternaltalk about embarrassed22:29
nosrednaekimhaha... you serious?22:29
nosrednaekimlawl22:29
nixternaldead serious....I blogged right there on the spot about it as a matter of fact22:29
nosrednaekimI'll have to add that to my file of funny results from that one...22:30
Nightroserofl nixternal22:30
Nightrosepriceless22:30
apacheloggerhm22:30
apacheloggerI want such a thing as well for our talk22:31
apacheloggersomething special22:31
Nightroseoh no!22:31
apacheloggeruh22:31
apacheloggerNightrose: can we do the presentation in windows?22:31
Nightroseno way are we going fluffy bunny on stage22:31
Nightroseno no windows either22:31
apacheloggersolaris?22:31
apacheloggerKDE on solaris that is22:31
Nightrosemaybe22:31
apacheloggerand KDE on windows22:31
nosrednaekimnixternal: one guy was doing a presentation in front of his college class.... same result :P22:32
* Nightrose still has no clue what audience she is going to get tomorrow22:32
Nightrosewill be interesting...22:32
nixternalas long as they aren't all naked, then who cares :)22:32
apacheloggerright22:33
Nightrosehehe22:33
apacheloggerusually I wouldn't want that22:33
Nightroseprobably going to girls age 15 to 2522:33
nosrednaekimnixternal: he was freakin mad until someone told him what day it was.22:33
Nightrose+be22:33
nosrednaekimNightrose: oh... want my kubuntu-default-settings?22:33
Nightrose*g*22:33
nosrednaekimpink... and fluffy bunny...22:33
nosrednaekimprobably will still work...22:34
* apachelogger notes that the problem with heterosexuals is that they can't deal with pink22:34
Nightrosei will aks them and send them your way if they are interested ;-)22:34
nosrednaekimNightrose: heha.... thanx :P22:34
Nightrose;-)22:34
apacheloggerhm22:34
Nightroseapachelogger: /me can deal with pink ;-)22:34
apacheloggerthat sounds like Nightrose is providing possible girl firnds Oo22:34
nosrednaekimtell them to send a picture of themselves and their name and address when they do request.22:34
apacheloggerNightrose: men that is22:34
apacheloggerwell22:35
apacheloggerthere nosrednaekim goes22:35
Nightroseapachelogger: girl friends? for whom?22:35
apacheloggerNightrose: me?22:35
apacheloggernosrednaekim?22:35
Nightrosehmmmmm22:35
Nightrosewe will see who shows up22:36
nosrednaekim[17:33] <Nightrose> probably going to girls age 15 to 2522:36
Nightrosemaybe you don't even want them ;-)22:36
Nightrosenosrednaekim: yea might as wel be 40 or older22:36
NightroseI will know about 20 mins before my workshop22:36
Nightroseand 3 hours before the installfest22:36
nosrednaekimok22:36
* Nightrose will prepare different workshops and see which one she does when they show up22:37

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