[00:00] * awen- votes for early death of display-config [00:00] ScottK-uds: btw... did you have time for a quick look at the changelog i linked to? [00:07] * awen- had a very wobbly internet connection tonight, so might have missed it [00:08] That was annoying. Did I miss anything? [00:08] ScottK-uds: http://awen.dk/packages/changelog [00:08] ScottK-uds: how much more than the kubuntu_32_* patch is SRU material? [00:09] ScottK-uds: full debdiff is here if you need it http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu18.debdiff [00:10] awen-: I think the new hardware might go. Why did you rename i810 to intel? Aren't those two different things? [00:10] Go = Go into an SRU [00:10] Also don't forget the target is intrepid, not hardy. [00:11] ScottK-uds: from the man-pages intel looks to support the same cards as i810 and some more [00:12] awen-: It does and it's the newer driver, but we still have i810. Also for now, i810 supports Xinerama, so you have some hope of multiple screens with it. With Intel you are doomed. [00:13] Also we parse the list of installed drivers anyway now, so I don't think it needs updating. [00:13] * ScottK-uds is running on Intel right now. [00:13] ScottK-uds: ahh ... good point [00:14] ScottK-uds: so both the added pci-id and the kubuntu_32 patch should be possible for an SRU? [00:14] * seele pokes mhb [00:14] I would think. I'd ask Riddell though. I'm still new enough at core stuff that I'm not comfortable with deciding. [00:14] shouldnt you be sleeping? you have an exam tomorrow [00:16] ScottK-uds: okay ... i'll have a new *ubuntu18 for intrepid ready for you sometime tomorrow; and i'll give an SRU package a go, and adapt it to Riddell's wishes [00:17] OK. [00:17] * ScottK-uds better get his port of all the patches to Debian done soon or it'll never be done as patches pile up. [00:18] ScottK-uds: did we ever get all the patches into the svn? [00:19] No. I've been working on it. They're rules file is substantially different than ours and they have a couple of patches that we don't that make it all a bit tricky to sort out. [00:20] ScottK-uds: ahh ... i see [00:21] ScottK-uds: got a list with description for all our patches ... and what could be dropped, if you need it some time [00:21] OK. If there are patches we don't need (and I shouldn't push to Debian) please let me know (mail me the list). [00:22] ScottK-uds: here http://awen.dk/packages/guidance/commit-notes.txt [00:27] ScottK-uds: you've got it as a mail, too [00:28] OK. Thanks. [00:31] ScottK-uds: and a new debdiff is ready http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu18.debdiff [00:31] awen-: It's a bit late now. I'll try and look at it tomorrow, but no promises. [00:32] ScottK-uds: no problem ... please concentrate on the UDS while there :) [00:38] Beta 1 :) [00:45] goodnight people === _krawek_ is now known as krawek [02:19] evening :) [02:19] morning ;) [02:20] how's it going Jucato? [02:20] doing great :) [02:20] how about you? :) [02:20] shh, I am trying to sleep here :p [02:21] help i'm being forced to watch american idol [02:21] lol [02:21] haha [02:21] torture!! [02:21] I am watching "Dancing with the stars" [02:21] wife loves it [02:21] gagh [02:21] (well at least it wasn't [Bulgarian] Music Idol" [02:21] would raher watch idol [02:22] I saw this dancing competition for kids.. [02:22] I can't stand the judges on idol [02:22] that's disturbing :) [02:22] heh [02:23] so you're using Dancing with the stars to help you sleep? fascinating [02:23] hehe, I am building KDE 4 trunk/ [02:23] oh even more fascinating! [02:23] changing my laptop from Kubuntu to openSUSE [02:24] Headlines: Building KDE 4 trunk induces sleep [02:24] hahahaha! [02:24] now *that* is disturbing :D [02:24] what is [02:24] changing my laptop from Kubuntu to openSUSE [02:24] why is that? [02:24] :P [02:24] j/k of course :) [02:25] after talking to zonker from Novell, I am going to start working on openSUSE [02:25] I was running Fedora 9 on my laptop actually [02:25] so that makes 3? [02:25] I would like a job in open source and that seems the most likely route [02:25] (Kubby, Foreeye and openSUE?) [02:25] nope, just going to be working on openSUSE now [02:26] oh... [02:26] if you believe that, I own the entire outback in Australia if you would like to purchase it [02:26] booyah! I had you going didn't I [02:26] not really :) [02:26] liar! [02:26] (but I wouldn't be surprised if you started working on openSUSE too) [02:26] I might have a job in open source already :) [02:27] but the "just going to be working on openSUSE " gave you away [02:27] actually, I will start playing with it more as I am going to have to build some .spec files [02:27] * Jucato thinks openSUSE is really our stiffest KDE competition... [02:28] either will be: a) Linux Packaging and Development Engineer, b) Open Source Manager, or c) both A and B [02:28] Fedora has a looooong way to go, and imho their decision to have KDE 4 only did more damage than good [02:28] and when I interviewed yesterday, I met all of the developers, and all but a few are using Ubuntu [02:29] oh... [02:29] I choose option c) [02:29] hehe [02:29] (for you) [02:29] you're obviously great at both.. at the same time [02:29] :D [02:29] well it is a startup, so if they do offer a job, it will probably be c) [02:29] yay for you [02:30] I hope...had my fingers crossed now since yesterday :) [02:30] congrats if it works out nixternal [02:30] thank you sir [02:30] might get cramped? [02:30] already cramping up [02:30] hehe [02:30] I bet you'll get it :) [02:31] well, I have 2 friends that work there that got the ball rolling...so I feel somewhat positive :) [02:31] the one thing they would want me to do though is get Mark to sync Ubuntu releases with our products :p [02:31] s/our/their - talking like I work there already :) [02:32] lol [02:34] nixternal: hah! i knew all you chicagoans were SUSE people when i saw this! http://people.brandeis.edu/~ykozlov//temp/imgp2708a.jpeg [02:34] hahahaha [02:34] did you go to Lincoln Park Zoo? [02:34] nixternal: no, aquarium [02:34] oh ya, forgot they have lizards and stuff now [02:37] * jjesse is downloading opensuse right now [02:37] it must be contageous [02:37] I'm waiting for openSUSE 11 [02:37] hehe [02:37] speaking of suse.. anyone has a 6.9 lying around? :) [02:37] you guys want to know the best KDE distro out there right now hands down? [02:37] lol no [02:38] i'm having problems with SLED rigth now and my wireless card [02:38] what is the best kdE distro? [02:38] Kubuntu silly! [02:38] hm.. openSUSE [02:38] :D [02:38] haha [02:38] gotcha! [02:38] debian? [02:38] slackware? [02:39] Debian's not a KDE distro!!! [02:39] mandrake? [02:39] :D [02:39] is slackware? [02:39] mandrake? ok mr. oldypants [02:39] grin [02:39] hehe [02:39] i have my slackware 9 cds someplace [02:39] gentoo!!! [02:39] lol [02:39] I have Slackware 6 CDs still [02:39] I actually used them to make a CD lamp [02:40] man, I wish this guy would reply to my email about a bike he is selling [02:40] mountain bike or motor bike? [02:40] road bike [02:40] bicycle [02:41] :D [02:41] with training wheels? :D [02:41] I am looking to see if I would be interested in riding a bicycle and if I would..so I have been scouring craigslist for a super cheap road bike [02:41] nope a tricyle [02:42] heh, my fat arse would get stuck in a tricycle [02:42] paula abdul is such a train wreck [02:42] "you are standing in your truth" [02:42] what the heck does that mean [02:42] everyone on idol is a train wreck [02:43] i just got a mental of picture of nixternal on a hot wheel [02:44] kde4 is only what fedora provides? [02:46] jjesse: yes [02:46] that's interesting [02:46] but setup so that some kde3 apps can be installed [02:46] but still... it's 4 point oh for crying out loud! [02:46] tell me how you really feel [02:47] hm? [02:48] that was sarcasm in regards to how you really feel in regards to what fedora is doing [02:48] ha hehehe [02:48] sorry multitasking in #kde :P [02:51] not allowed to multitask :) [02:52] heheh [02:53] wow there are a lof bugs in "ubuntu" that reference Kubuntu which are way way old [02:56] hrm some packages i don't ever know [02:58] hrm bug related question: there is a bug that talks about a translation problem, that should be closed as not a vaild bug correct? [02:58] point them to the team that does translation? [03:00] me on a hotwheel? now that is just wrong! [03:01] jjesse: I will actually subscribe the translation people and change the bug to one of the translation packages [03:01] if it is a valid bug of course [03:01] its a translation item since pre-dapper [03:02] I love those [03:02] pre dapper bugs? [03:02] they are the best [03:03] ...a guy in the UK arrested for having more than 16,000 child porn photos is using the unique defense that it's all Google's fault for making it so easy to access the photos. [03:03] that's it! I am blaming google for everything from now on [03:03] lol [03:03] thats disgusting btw [03:03] oh, a bug in translations? that is Google's fault [03:04] jjesse: you need to subscribe to Techdirts RSS feeds..they have the best news articles of any tech site I have seen to date [03:04] and their editors are very good at journalism and writing [03:04] intersting will have to check them out [03:05] techdirt.com? [03:05] yes [03:05] Senator Joe Lieberman, who heads the Senate Committee on Homeland Security is upset with Google for letting terrorists post videos on YouTube. [03:05] isn't he the guy that said he would fight for people's freedoms? [03:05] don't remember [03:06] oh lawd, "if anyone can use youtube, then the terrorists win!" [03:06] series of tubes! series of tubes! series of tubes! [03:07] lol [03:08] breaking news: new youtube captcha implemented! Upon every page load, a captcha which involves responding to a voice shouting "ARE YOU A TERRORIST!?" via your microphone. If you have a terrorist-ish accent (hint, arabic) then you fail the captcha [03:09] Seriously, what do they think they can do about it? Tell youtube to add a clause to their tos forbiding terrorists to use youtube? [03:09] Because bloodthirsty killers have a real nice track record of following the rules [03:10] lol, so true..and nothing like members of the US government promoting sensorship once again [03:10] JontheEchidna: its the same thing about making people register handguns and other weeapons [03:10] yup yup yup [03:10] like the people who commit murder register all their guns [03:10] or who commit other crimes [03:11] Heh, it's not like a serial killer worries about registering their guns or following the law in general [03:11] exactly [03:11] i felt a little silly taking my handguns to the sherrifs office to register them [03:13] they will have to rip my guns from my cold dead hands to register them anymore than they already are [03:13] Illinois said I have to register my legally purchases firearms again...I told them to pack sand [03:14] i think having to register guns is useful [03:14] if nothing else, as a deterrent to buying a gun at all [03:14] hrmm maybe we need to move to kubuntu-devel-offtopic to continue [03:15] we have that? [03:15] nope [03:15] think you mean #kubuntu-offtopic [03:15] we need to purchase more guns! [03:15] if we don't, the gangbangers do, leaving us defenseless [03:16] or they just take yours, which most people don't know how to wield anyway [03:16] if they take mine, then they can have it...but taking it would be a bit difficult [03:17] I have some locked in a safe that I cannot open for the life of me [03:17] that sucks [03:20] hrm there is a lot of ubiquity related bugs that reference kubuntu that need someone to look at [03:20] they are all old [03:21] I should take a look at those [03:21] there are a lot of * related bugs that reference kubuntu that need someone to look at :( [03:21] grin i'm looking at some of them tonight [03:23] look at all of them tonight while you are at it :) [03:23] nixternal: nice try buddy its time for bed [03:23] bed is for the weak :p [03:23] not even 22:30 there [03:23] guess i'm weak then [03:23] haha [03:25] night talk to you all later [03:25] g'nite [03:27] night night jjesse === kewark is now known as krawek [05:15] Anyone recall when they redid the LPI Syllabus? [05:15] probably a long time agao [05:15] ago [05:16] if you are planning on taking it, brush up on RPMs [05:17] They have a Debian section :) [05:19] ya, but they also have a RPM section [05:19] Mandatory? [05:19] yup [05:19] It has changed since I last took it [05:20] if so, not much has changed [05:20] o'reilly hasn't updated their LPIC in a Nutshell in a few years [05:20] when that gets updated, then you know there have been some changes [05:21] ... [05:21] Well there was a point when the president left and they went under new management [05:22] everything has pretty stayed the same..when the ubuntu certification stuff was being created, they had the staff syllabus which was like 4 years old [05:22] staff? wth did that come from [05:22] who relooked at the syllabus cause it had some silly stuff like the newest kernel was 2.4 and XFree86 3 [05:23] hrmm, dunno [05:23] Well not really the newest was Xfree86 3. I remember they had Xfree86 4 stuff on the exam but even Redhat was shipping with Xorg by then [05:23] they still have xfree86 stuff on there [05:24] I need to finish LPIC 2 [05:24] They redid they syllabus to be more pertinent (This was LPI 1 & 2) then they went on to define LPI 3 which was always on the papers but had never been actually defined [05:24] Which is where Ubuntu certs came in [05:27] 2006 was the last edition according to their website [05:27] LPI ? [05:27] Yeah that's about right [05:27] the Ubuntu certs were first handed out like feb 2007 [05:27] so like Nov 2006 is about right [05:28] 'm not seeing updated books after that [05:29] Hmm [05:29] http://www.youtube.com/ubuntudevelopers [05:29] ^_^ [05:33] nixternal: which page did you see that? [05:36] there are ubuntu certifications [05:36] ? [05:36] :-) [05:36] First one was "won" in south africa [05:37] is there ubuntu certifcation as engineers etc. ? [05:37] like a ccna [05:38] Like I can engineer an Ubuntu for you? [05:38] a certification for ubuntu like redhat [05:39] Yeah essentially [05:39] except not made by Ubuntu [05:39] no official ones basically? [05:39] No no It's official [05:39] just not run by canonical [05:42] ah ok so what is it called, have you got a URI? [05:43] go to LPI.org [05:43] they pimp it all over the site [05:43] for some reason [05:43] ah its with lpi [05:43] thanks DaskreecH [05:44] right so http://lpi.org/eng/certification/ubuntu_certified_professional . except doesn't say if its in australia [05:47] Well if you can do LPI in australia then it's in australia [05:48] DaskreecH: http://lpi.org/eng/global_partners/local_lpi_organizations closest appears to be china! [05:49] australia is ripped off heh :) [05:49] ;-) [05:50] i aint getting redhat..maybe there is something debian here in oz [05:55] linux.conf.au did em in 2005 but i can't seen anything on their current site [06:01] Exams? [06:02] Bah most of the LPI books suck [06:02] hmm it linked me through to linux.org.au before hmm [06:03] can you see exams section on those sites at all? [06:05] * DaskreecH shrugs [06:05] No idea what you are talking about [06:05] kde4 trunk is umf umf umf beautiful and fun [06:07] lpi exams in australia with linux.conf.au or linux.org.au .. [06:07] Beat 1 is next week rigth ? [06:08] If you want to you can make contact with LPI directly [06:08] sorry i don't know what beat1 is [06:08] If you have 6 or 7 guys sitting with you they will work out exam stuff [06:08] Beta 1 [06:08] sitting? [06:09] ok [06:09] flaccid: It's the newplugin for Amarok - traKmasta [06:09] ah ok, im way behind... [06:10] i just installed amarok-nightly from repos and can't start it: /opt/amarok-nightly/bin/amarok: error while loading shared libraries: libQtWebKit.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [06:11] Hmm starts for me [06:12] Still can't get sound FROM KDE though I can get Sound IN it [06:12] hmm need libqtwebkit-dev and libqt4-dev it seems [06:13] For sound? [06:13] oh to get amarok working [06:14] ok it loaded with installing libqt4-dev [06:20] ~What packages do I need for Phonon? [06:20] or a better question Do i need to install Phonon to see my sound hardware? [06:23] brb [06:31] rb [06:36] ta i think === uga_ is now known as uga [07:36] nixternal: There is AsterisKnow [08:20] does anyone notice that kdesu will use a default kde style that differs from yours? how do i change this system default kde style? [08:22] hi - after "downgrading" from kde4 yesterday, it wasn't detected that the default login thingy was removed, and now kdm refuse to start - which file do I need to edit for that? [08:23] i see how now. kdesu systemsettings === hunger_t is now known as hunger [09:27] nixternal: is your nixternal@ShakaDoobie key on ktown still ok? [10:25] brr.. 10 and raining today [10:25] lovely [10:26] morning seele [10:27] heya [10:28] hallo [10:29] these grey days dont make it easy to get out of bed [10:29] but at least i'm keeping a few hours to my own time zone [10:39] Welcome wolfger [10:39] good morning! [10:39] * Riddell high fives wolfger [10:39] lol. OK, why am I suddenly popular? [10:40] your name just happened to come up at this UDS session when we were discussing motu who are into kde but not on #kubuntu-devel [10:40] wolfger: you do bug work? [10:40] mostly I triage bugs, yes. [10:41] do you know of yuriy and his kubuntu bug days? [10:41] I've heard the name, but was not aware that there were regularly scheduled Kubuntu bug days [10:42] yuriy meet wolfger. wolfger meet yuriy. You're both interested in Kubuntu bug triage. [10:42] Hi, yuriy [10:44] wolfger: It's not yet 0600 where yuriy is, so don't expect a quick response. [10:45] it's 0545 here. If he's in my time zone, that would be awesome. [10:45] Ah. [10:45] You're up early then. Where are you located? [10:45] speaking of which, I need to leave for work soon... [10:45] I'm in Michigan, USA [10:45] yay another american! [10:45] Ah. I live outside Baltimore, MD. [10:45] <\sh> we are all americans in some ways ,-) [10:45] home of Penguicon, where Jono meets The Tron Guy XD [10:46] wolfger: You should definitely hang out here so we can coordinate better. [10:46] I'll make a habit of it [10:46] Great. [10:47] I'll drop back in this afternoon/evening to ping yuriy again [10:47] <\sh> Riddell, will you visit LT this year? or is it too stressfull after UDS? [10:47] thanks for dragging me in, guys [11:14] \sh: no, I'll be back off the continent [11:38] <\sh> Riddell, sad...hopefully we see you back in bad old germany during FrOScon? :) [11:40] too many conferences.. [11:40] I hear Akademy is next door to Germany [11:49] <\sh> Riddell, where exactly? belgium, austria, swiss area, france, netherlands? [11:49] belgium [11:51] <\sh> Riddell, great...I just see the timeschedule for akademy...you can extend your stay and join froscon on 23+24th of august ;) [11:51] \sh: Will you be at Akademy? [11:51] omg sebas is alive in kubuntu-devel? [11:51] * seele faints. [11:51] <\sh> sebas, mostly, not [11:52] <\sh> sebas, I'm not really involved in kde things ;) [11:52] seele: yeah, sure I am. [11:52] I'm actually often following what's going on here [11:52] \sh: Not *yet* you mean [11:52] oh, i'll keep that in mind next time i talk about you :) [11:52] It's like a party where you ask your sister to bring all her friends [11:52] only if your sister has hot friends [11:53] seele: Ow, nevermind ;-) [11:53] Right. [11:53] <\sh> sebas, argh...I'm starting again to look into kde python stuff...so I'll put it on my holiday list...eventually :) [11:53] \sh: See, belgium has good beer and is close [11:53] seele: If you come to akademy don't forget to bring your hot friends eh [11:54] sebas: i only have hot boy friends. i dont know any girls [11:54] (/me tries and will see if that works) [11:54] <\sh> sebas, i have future-relatives in belgium (wife's sister ;)) somewhere near eiffel area :) [11:54] seele: Well, we're certainly open for anything experimental [11:54] lol [11:54] <\sh> bah...sebas went too often to cologne ;) [11:54] \sh: Good, bring your hot family! :) [11:54] <\sh> sebas, hmmm...they're black...but hot? dunno ;) [11:55] \sh: i think we've extablished that hotness is the only thing that matters [11:55] * sebas nods [11:56] <\sh> ok..I'll make them hot, and explain: they are soooo hot, that's why their skin is totally burned...yeah that goes [11:56] <\sh> sebas, familiy is hot...trying to come :) [11:56] Good good [11:56] <\sh> I'm still waiting for my new motu shirt for LT:..."MOTU since 2005" as front print, and as back "Sexiest MOTU alive" ;9 [11:57] Way ... there'll be like 3 people that understand it, and one finds it funny [11:57] (that one is you yourself then :P) [11:57] Enough offending for now, I'll send boring emails now. [11:58] <\sh> ohyes...boring todos...installing hardy on dual quad cores...:( bbl [12:01] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidCouncil [12:02] more a collection of notes than a spec [12:02] Wow, the fonts are .... funny [12:03] sebas: on the webpage? [12:03] Yes, I'm seeing archaic non-AA here [12:03] Looks like the 80s [12:03] (or the 90s on Linux :P) [12:04] doesn't windows still use non-AA? [12:06] yay lunchtime [12:07] Riddell: ScottK: lunch? [12:10] seele: lets [12:11] Riddell: That doesn't mean we can do better :) [12:11] Riddell: ok.. i have to get my badge, i forgot it this morning [12:12] brt [12:12] seele: You're in Europe? [12:12] sebas: yup, prague with Riddell and ScottK [12:13] Are you going to be in Berlin next week? [12:13] sebas: no, i can't take that much time off of work at once unfortunately :( [12:13] Bummer :/ [12:13] it's going to be hard enough with the 3-4 weeks i'm trying to take this summer [12:14] I would have loved to meet your hot boy friends ;) [12:14] lol, i'd only bring one with me :P [12:14] ok.. off to lunch [12:14] Same as last time? :-) [12:14] hf [13:04] sebas: yes, same as last time [13:14] seele: Good girl [13:14] <__sourcemaker> how can I install a Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)... is there a kernel problem? [13:14] * sebas leaves the CodeYard office now [13:15] <__sourcemaker> problem solved.... I will install windows XP for this system... [13:16]