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| Palintheus | @schedule chicago | 14:48 |
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| ubottu | Palintheus: Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Ubuntu Developer Summit - Day 3 | 21 May 11:00: LoCo Council | 21 May 16:00: Server Team | 22 May 02:00: Ubuntu Developer Summit - Day 4 | 22 May 08:00: Desktop Team | 23 May 04:00: Ubuntu Developer Summit - Day 5 | 14:48 |
| effie_jayx | @now | 15:50 |
| ubottu | effie_jayx: Current time in Etc/UTC: May 21 2008, 14:51:24 - Current meeting: Ubuntu Developer Summit - Day 3 | 15:50 |
| RoAkSoAx | @now | 16:13 |
| ubottu | RoAkSoAx: Current time in Etc/UTC: May 21 2008, 15:14:13 - Current meeting: Ubuntu Developer Summit - Day 3 | 16:13 |
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| juliux | hi | 17:04 |
| juliux | meeting will start after we get some drinks at uds;) | 17:04 |
| JanC | hehe, I just fetched a beer from the fridge (had to run to be home in time) ;) | 17:05 |
| effie_jayx | juliux, you guys are elite :( | 17:05 |
| * effie_jayx settles from a papercup of water | 17:06 | |
| juliux | chairman? | 17:06 |
| effie_jayx | I can do | 17:06 |
| juliux | cool | 17:06 |
| effie_jayx | is anyone here? | 17:06 |
| popey | moo | 17:06 |
| juliux | moo | 17:06 |
| effie_jayx | everyone I ment | 17:06 |
| Syntux | Hey, I'm bit late; | 17:07 |
| juliux | don`t worry | 17:07 |
| effie_jayx | anybody else from the Council? | 17:07 |
| juliux | boredandblogging: ready? | 17:07 |
| effie_jayx | JanC is here | 17:07 |
| boredandblogging | ok | 17:08 |
| boredandblogging | i think the first thing on the agenda was mine | 17:08 |
| juliux | think we should take a look to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda and we should discusee what we are doing today | 17:08 |
| boredandblogging | yeah | 17:08 |
| effie_jayx | boredandblogging, you chairman then | 17:08 |
| Syntux | +1 for discussing legal entities | 17:09 |
| juliux | Syntux: i think we will not doing this today | 17:09 |
| juliux | the cc meetings aid to the denish team that they should work on a provopsal | 17:10 |
| boredandblogging | ok | 17:10 |
| boredandblogging | jjj | 17:10 |
| Syntux | ok | 17:10 |
| JanC | I know that the Dutch team is thinking about legal entities too | 17:11 |
| juliux | yes | 17:11 |
| juliux | i think we should wait untile the cc had made a discussion | 17:11 |
| JanC | juliux: you talked to SWAT I guess? | 17:11 |
| effie_jayx | boredandblogging, shall we begin then? | 17:11 |
| JanC | SWAT = Sebastian | 17:11 |
| juliux | JanC: yes but not about legel entities | 17:12 |
| Syntux | I sent an email including a concept letter to Mark, Alan, Juliux and Nick regarding that issue. | 17:12 |
| juliux | effie_jayx: yes pls | 17:12 |
| huats_ | effie_jayx: boredandblogging has some connection pb | 17:12 |
| juliux | Syntux: wen you sned it? | 17:12 |
| effie_jayx | ok | 17:12 |
| juliux | when | 17:12 |
| Syntux | juliux, 19 May | 17:12 |
| juliux | Syntux: no mail here from you | 17:13 |
| Syntux | actually I have a meeting with HRH Princess Sumaya next week and this is why I'm pushing for discussing legal entities. | 17:13 |
| bandb_uds | this is nick, I'm using popey's eee | 17:13 |
| effie_jayx | juliux, shall we hold on for boredandblogging then? | 17:13 |
| Syntux | juliux, I sent it to jabber@juliux.de | 17:13 |
| bandb_uds | ok, lets do the first thing on the agenda | 17:14 |
| popey | agreed bandb_uds | 17:14 |
| bandb_uds | my idea is that we need to come up with a formal mission statement | 17:14 |
| bandb_uds | basically... | 17:14 |
| bandb_uds | a purpose statement | 17:14 |
| bandb_uds | I've noticed a lot of confusion in the community... | 17:15 |
| bandb_uds | and the press between Ubuntu and Canonical | 17:15 |
| bandb_uds | so lots of new LoCos | 17:15 |
| bandb_uds | think that Canonical should provide us with everything | 17:15 |
| juliux_ | Syntux, that is not a valid email address | 17:15 |
| juliux_ | bandb_uds, good | 17:15 |
| juliux_ | Syntux, pls use jbloch@ubuntu.com | 17:15 |
| popey | Syntux: alanpope@ubuntu.com | 17:15 |
| bandb_uds | While Canonical obviously is Ubuntu's main sponsor | 17:15 |
| juliux_ | yes that is a real issue | 17:15 |
| bandb_uds | we obviously aren't the same thing | 17:15 |
| bandb_uds | I think we need to get into the habit of the LoCos supporting ourselves | 17:16 |
| Syntux | juliux, popey sent. | 17:16 |
| bandb_uds | and not being so dependent on Canonical | 17:16 |
| juliux_ | Syntux, thxs | 17:16 |
| nixternal | GO LOCO! | 17:16 |
| nixternal | or go crazy, whichever fits the best :p | 17:16 |
| bandb_uds | then LoCos know who to contact (other LoCos) | 17:16 |
| bandb_uds | and it takes pressure off Canonical | 17:16 |
| bandb_uds | to support us so much | 17:17 |
| bandb_uds | so thats my main thing | 17:17 |
| bandb_uds | I want LoCos to work together to help ourselves | 17:17 |
| juliux_ | i think that sounds real great idea, to push that "mission" to the locos | 17:17 |
| popey | I agree that there is a lack of perception of LoCo in the community | 17:17 |
| popey | and what LoCos do, and what canonical and the wider Ubuntu project is "obliged" to contribute to those LoCos | 17:17 |
| huats_ | bandb_uds: that is I think the idea that jono want to promotte with loco twinning | 17:18 |
| Nafallo | makes sense | 17:18 |
| popey | yes, with twinning an "approved" loco could "twin" with an unapproved loco to help them build up and get approved | 17:18 |
| juliux_ | i think i we get this statement clear to the loco teams there is a benfit for the locos so they know what support they get from canonical and what not and there is a win for canonical because the locoteams will grow on there own side | 17:18 |
| bandb_uds | huats_: I agree, LoCos helping LoCos | 17:19 |
| effie_jayx | how is twining different from mentoring | 17:19 |
| huats_ | and I think that to push to further it is almost the idea of independency that is on stake | 17:19 |
| bandb_uds | I think twining/mentoring is part of it, but like popey said, there is a perception issue | 17:19 |
| effie_jayx | right | 17:20 |
| effie_jayx | so we are to decide on the mission of the council? or is there a proposal for a mission statement | 17:20 |
| JanC | maybe we'll have to write down some suggestions or rules about sponsoring & cooperation with other companies too? | 17:20 |
| juliux_ | i think we are mixing issues, at first we should spread the mission and then work on the misson;) | 17:20 |
| bandb_uds | the LoCos are not extension of Canonical, we need to support ourselves | 17:20 |
| huats_ | bandb_uds: +1 | 17:21 |
| juliux_ | bandb_uds, +1 | 17:21 |
| doctormo | hello | 17:21 |
| popey | we need to be self sustaining | 17:21 |
| huats_ | I mean we shoudl accept any help from canonical but not depend/wait on it | 17:22 |
| bandb_uds | popey: exactly | 17:22 |
| popey | and not keep asking for it :) | 17:22 |
| bandb_uds | right, we shouldn't have expectations | 17:22 |
| huats_ | popey: definitly | 17:22 |
| bandb_uds | ok, so I think we are agreed in general? | 17:22 |
| popey | well, we shouldn't have _high_ expectations | 17:22 |
| bandb_uds | popey: fair enough :-) | 17:22 |
| effie_jayx | +1 | 17:23 |
| nxvl | that what i was telling you about, in Peru we are having this ways to have our own incomes | 17:23 |
| popey | i think if we're more self sustaining then when we do ask for stuff from Canonical, we may actually get something | 17:23 |
| popey | if we can prove that we can do this stuff on our own | 17:23 |
| doctormo | popey: I think it's more important to work with Canonical and other LoCo teams than to beg from them. | 17:23 |
| popey | prove that we can work without their help | 17:23 |
| popey | doctormo: canonical have a very limited resource for "us" | 17:23 |
| popey | that's why I suggest that we try to help eachother, support eachother | 17:23 |
| doctormo | popey: but we don't, and we're not yet offering somethign in return. | 17:24 |
| doctormo | popey: And I agree about cross support | 17:24 |
| popey | doctormo: "we don't" what? | 17:24 |
| bandb_uds | exactly what popey sai | 17:24 |
| huats_ | and the great side that if we do not depend on canonical we can still have our own word... | 17:24 |
| popey | ask canonical? | 17:24 |
| popey | ok, so we need to come up with a simple mission statement | 17:24 |
| popey | and send to the list for approval?> | 17:24 |
| popey | and the cc? | 17:25 |
| juliux_ | so we will write the mission down then we will send it to the lococontacts liste and will discuss it here;) | 17:25 |
| juliux_ | i think cc is good | 17:25 |
| bandb_uds | i think we can cc the cc into it | 17:25 |
| popey | ok, shall we move on? | 17:25 |
| juliux_ | yes pls;) | 17:25 |
| bandb_uds | but yeah, lets come up with a few suggestions and try them out on the loco-contacts | 17:25 |
| bandb_uds | yes | 17:25 |
| effie_jayx | yep | 17:25 |
| bandb_uds | effie_jayx: you next? | 17:26 |
| effie_jayx | ok | 17:26 |
| doctormo | To advocate and communicate the availability of ubuntu as an alternative in local communities? | 17:26 |
| effie_jayx | we were working on the new approval process for LoCo teams | 17:26 |
| effie_jayx | and one of the elements needed to help us decide if a team is ready or not is a set of rules or guidelines that the CC has used for the longest time | 17:27 |
| effie_jayx | we have all worked together to give some more definition to these guidelines and you can find them here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines | 17:28 |
| effie_jayx | these come from a suggestion from jono and they have some little things I have added | 17:28 |
| effie_jayx | Shall we go through this quickly? | 17:28 |
| effie_jayx | just to see if we all agree on this | 17:29 |
| bandb_uds | effie_jayx: yes | 17:29 |
| effie_jayx | great | 17:29 |
| * popey reads | 17:29 | |
| * juliux_ reads | 17:29 | |
| effie_jayx | These guidelines see that the Team sees the approval not only as a reward but also a commitment to continue participating asactive or even more | 17:30 |
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| popey | is this copy/pasted from what the cc used to use? | 17:30 |
| effie_jayx | popey, I added some elements | 17:30 |
| effie_jayx | and defined a bit | 17:30 |
| popey | I am uneasy about the "trusted with CD" element | 17:31 |
| effie_jayx | Do the council feel this team could be trusted with additional resources such as additional CDs and being sent equipment for use?, Extra resources encourage more participation therefore, Being able to administer their resources is paramount, making sure that the team has what they need to promote ubuntu locally . | 17:31 |
| doctormo | my system76 computer crashed, can you guys recap | 17:32 |
| juliux_ | !log? | 17:32 |
| ubottu | Factoid log? not found | 17:32 |
| effie_jayx | popey, what exactly do you feel is questionable? | 17:33 |
| popey | if a loco passes all the other criteria, then by implication they would be responsible | 17:33 |
| popey | it's an unncessary requirement | 17:33 |
| effie_jayx | popey, right... it looks tacky? | 17:33 |
| popey | a bit, yes | 17:33 |
| juliux_ | i also think it is not a requirement | 17:33 |
| JanC | you mean the word "trusted" can be seen as offending to some people? | 17:33 |
| popey | e.g. if a loco passed all the others, how would you measure that one? | 17:33 |
| effie_jayx | popey, I left it untouched | 17:34 |
| bandb_uds | i agree with popey | 17:34 |
| Syntux | and if I may state my opinion, mailing list activities isn't a good measure for team activities in all cases; in our case Ubuntu-Jo it's easier to call for a meeting by phoning the members and it's easier to meet face-2-face than setting up IRC meeting or discussing anything over the mailing list, this is how we have been doing it and it works like charm here. | 17:34 |
| popey | ok, it's possible people could take CDs and ebay them | 17:34 |
| effie_jayx | I think we must ask what the rationale was behind it | 17:34 |
| juliux_ | popey, yes it is possible but if they sell them localy you didn't get a notification about this | 17:35 |
| effie_jayx | Syntux, sounds good to you, but how do you journalize these meetings? | 17:35 |
| JanC | Syntux: do you make meeting reports afterwards then? | 17:35 |
| juliux_ | so i think that is a point which we can' t "controlled" | 17:35 |
| popey | exactly, so it seems somewhat moot | 17:35 |
| popey | maybe we could get clarification on that from the cc | 17:35 |
| Syntux | effie_jayx, JanC yeah we put MOMs in google DOCs and/or we take the action directly | 17:35 |
| popey | but I am overall happy with the rest of it | 17:35 |
| nxvl | yes, but you can see at the events photos or with some prove about events that their are going to use the right way | 17:36 |
| popey | Syntux: could you paste them into the wiki? | 17:36 |
| nxvl | i think | 17:36 |
| effie_jayx | popey, we could discuss further to try and sencibilize that bit of the guidelines | 17:36 |
| popey | yes effie_jayx | 17:36 |
| nxvl | should not be a hard point to take care about, but an optional one which gives extra point | 17:36 |
| m-c | I find voice communication most effective to determine who is really interested in real-life loco activities. Replies to a mailing list are much less effective indicators. | 17:36 |
| bandb_uds | adding photos or wiki reports would be excellent | 17:36 |
| nxvl | points* | 17:36 |
| popey | but overall, +1 from me for that list | 17:36 |
| effie_jayx | notice the wording to ensure further participation | 17:36 |
| juliux_ | Syntux, in general irc and mailinglist is easier to access for everybody so we recommend that, but i a locoteam is doing it an other thing well, i think we will not have any problems with that | 17:36 |
| Syntux | popey, of course we can do that; but why the MOMs matter? | 17:36 |
| bandb_uds | we need to see some evidence that something is going on | 17:37 |
| effie_jayx | most people see approval as a goal ... a place you reach | 17:37 |
| popey | Syntux: it's a central place for everyone to collaborate | 17:37 |
| juliux_ | this rules are not written on stone so i am happy with that list | 17:37 |
| popey | Syntux: we request team reports to be placed on the wiki | 17:37 |
| effie_jayx | and then it's all downhill from there.. and it is not... It is where the real commintment begins | 17:37 |
| huats_ | effie_jayx: that is why I think tthere is a need for re-approval (which is the next point) | 17:37 |
| effie_jayx | great then | 17:37 |
| effie_jayx | so all in favor let's vote to approve (with comments) | 17:38 |
| popey | +1 | 17:38 |
| JanC | maybe the team leadership shouldn't always be concentrated into 1 person? | 17:38 |
| juliux_ | +1 | 17:38 |
| popey | (with clarification from cc) | 17:38 |
| bandb_uds | +1 for clarification | 17:38 |
| Syntux | popey, we do reports but not MOMs because it's usually (jad call X arrange for Y, Faisal burn the CDs with his gamers friends, Khamis prepare lecture for X and Y) and we don't see any meaning of publishing such thing. | 17:38 |
| doctormo | what are we voting on? I see no statement | 17:38 |
| JanC | (otherwise I'm also +1 on this) | 17:38 |
| popey | Syntux: we could discuss this on the locoteams mailing list if you like? | 17:39 |
| popey | I'm sure others would value this conversation, and getting involved in it | 17:39 |
| JanC | Syntux: the meaning is us seeing you are doing something ;) | 17:39 |
| juliux_ | doctormo about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamApprovalGuidelines | 17:39 |
| Syntux | popey, sure I will move it there. | 17:39 |
| juliux_ | Syntux, thxs | 17:39 |
| popey | cool, thanks Syntux | 17:39 |
| Syntux | JanC, we do report activities after it's done but not meetings. | 17:40 |
| juliux_ | so next point? | 17:40 |
| effie_jayx | JanC, do the guidelines make reference to just one Contact? | 17:40 |
| huats_ | Syntux: I mean, even if you don't do a MOM right now, then you should in the future | 17:40 |
| bandb_uds | re-approval dates | 17:40 |
| JanC | Leadership within the team must be build upon fairness and openess. The team must be in agreement with the fair apointment of a leader. This leader must represent the team in different situations in an efficient and effective manner, so the leader's commitment towards the team is paramount. | 17:40 |
| juliux_ | we have 20minutes left so pls lets move on | 17:40 |
| popey | JanC: again, another one for the list - open discussion IMO | 17:40 |
| bandb_uds | i've added anniversary dates for when some LoCos need to be re-approved | 17:41 |
| JanC | okay ツ | 17:41 |
| popey | I'd like to see the question of leadership discussed, it's an interesting topic I have opinions on | 17:41 |
| popey | but we don't really have time for it here I think | 17:41 |
| bandb_uds | if there is no anniversary date for them, the LoCos were approved more than a year ago | 17:41 |
| bandb_uds | and need to be reapproved anyway | 17:41 |
| juliux_ | popey, we can do that on the next cc meeting | 17:41 |
| effie_jayx | bandb_uds, have we decided on the procedure for this to happen then | 17:41 |
| juliux_ | effie_jayx, the process will be the same like a first approval;) | 17:42 |
| bandb_uds | effie_jayx: for re-approval | 17:42 |
| bandb_uds | we talked about starting with 3 | 17:42 |
| bandb_uds | that already need to go through re-approval | 17:42 |
| juliux_ | bandb_uds, 4;) | 17:42 |
| popey | 4 teams for re-approval in the first meeting | 17:42 |
| bandb_uds | 4, sorry, contacting thenm | 17:43 |
| bandb_uds | and going through the process | 17:43 |
| effie_jayx | I thought we said something less paperwork like | 17:43 |
| popey | giving them warning | 17:43 |
| juliux_ | effie_jayx, there is a loft of this on the community-loco-council document on gobby.ubuntu.com | 17:43 |
| nxvl | why did you re-approve teams? | 17:43 |
| popey | to ensure they continue to do good work | 17:43 |
| popey | and don't go stale | 17:43 |
| popey | or disappear | 17:43 |
| nxvl | or | 17:43 |
| juliux_ | and to see if they needs some help from the council | 17:43 |
| popey | and to motivate them to do more good work | 17:44 |
| nxvl | oh, so is kind of a loco membership expiration? | 17:44 |
| popey | yes agreed juliux_ | 17:44 |
| bandb_uds | being approved isn't the goal, its just a milestone | 17:44 |
| effie_jayx | nxvl, to make sure they live... | 17:44 |
| popey | yes nxvl | 17:44 |
| bandb_uds | so... | 17:44 |
| effie_jayx | ajam | 17:44 |
| juliux_ | when we will start with reapproval? | 17:44 |
| bandb_uds | we will soon be contacting 4 locos that need to approved | 17:44 |
| popey | we need to schedule who is going to be looked at first and let them know as soon as possible | 17:44 |
| juliux_ | and how we will select the 4 teams? | 17:44 |
| popey | juliux_: random | 17:44 |
| bandb_uds | randomly | 17:45 |
| juliux_ | random is good | 17:45 |
| juliux_ | so we will give them 2 month time? or 1month? | 17:45 |
| popey | cat /dev/urandom > juliux_ | 17:45 |
| bandb_uds | and lets see they all need to be reapproved by July | 17:45 |
| popey | where "all" means all 4 | 17:45 |
| bandb_uds | s/see/say | 17:45 |
| effie_jayx | can we have updates on their process to have a clear idea on what they need to do and how they have done it and if they found any problems aloing the way? | 17:45 |
| popey | yes effie_jayx | 17:45 |
| popey | and offer help | 17:45 |
| popey | mentorship | 17:45 |
| bandb_uds | effie_jayx: yeah, thats a good idea | 17:45 |
| effie_jayx | popey, exactly | 17:45 |
| popey | etc, if they are having difficulties | 17:45 |
| juliux_ | so we have to select 4 teams for reapproval in july;) | 17:46 |
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| popey | yes | 17:46 |
| nxvl | and how it will work if the LoCo still works, but the leader has disapear with all the access? | 17:46 |
| juliux_ | who will run the random skript? | 17:46 |
| juliux_ | nxvl, we will work with the loco to find a new leader | 17:46 |
| popey | nxvl: we work that out with the loco | 17:46 |
| effie_jayx | juliux_, bandb_uds has a compehensive list already | 17:46 |
| popey | :) | 17:46 |
| juliux_ | bandb_uds, pls take 4;) | 17:46 |
| nxvl | well, i don't think the problem will be the leadership, but the permissions/access to the mailling lists, irc channels, etc... | 17:47 |
| JanC | yeah, maybe it's a good time for locoteams to check those things ;) | 17:48 |
| juliux_ | ok the council wil select 4 and then inform them privatly | 17:48 |
| popey | ..rather than announce it here so they are under the spotlight | 17:48 |
| juliux_ | nxvl, that are points we can work together withthem;) | 17:48 |
| bandb_uds | ok, so next point? | 17:49 |
| doctormo | Have any of the other LoCo teams considered LoCo specific development projects? Getting some software that helps us organise? | 17:49 |
| popey | nxvl: we have processes in place for fixing things like that with ubuntu ops, forum mods etc | 17:49 |
| popey | doctormo: I'd send that to the loco list if I were you | 17:49 |
| popey | as it's not an agenda item right now | 17:49 |
| JanC | popey: but reapproval can be a good time for teams to think about such things | 17:49 |
| juliux_ | yes lets come to the next point;) | 17:50 |
| doctormo | popey: Oh I thought you'd ran out of items, you seem to be just talking about the same thing over and over. | 17:50 |
| popey | JanC: yes, but we don't want to put them in the spotlight before _they_ know :) | 17:50 |
| effie_jayx | next up: Resource Allocation Process Doc - any progress? | 17:50 |
| viperhoot | with the reapproval, the loco teams again considered new? | 17:50 |
| bandb_uds | who was supposed to do that? | 17:51 |
| JanC | viperhoot: not new, just not dead ;) | 17:51 |
| popey | doctormo: seen the agenda? | 17:52 |
| JanC | bandb_uds: popey? | 17:52 |
| juliux_ | popey, ? | 17:52 |
| popey | hmm? | 17:52 |
| popey | was it me? | 17:52 |
| bandb_uds | hold on | 17:52 |
| juliux_ | Resource Allocation Process Doc | 17:52 |
| juliux_ | ? | 17:52 |
| popey | not done yet | 17:52 |
| bandb_uds | ok | 17:53 |
| popey | postpone to next meeting | 17:53 |
| bandb_uds | next? | 17:53 |
| bandb_uds | conflict resolution | 17:53 |
| bandb_uds | juliux? | 17:53 |
| juliux_ | it is started but not finished | 17:53 |
| juliux_ | i will work on this during this week | 17:53 |
| bandb_uds | next? | 17:54 |
| bandb_uds | legal entities | 17:54 |
| Syntux | JordanTeam ? | 17:54 |
| popey | juliux_: grab us if you need help this week given we're in UDS | 17:54 |
| JanC | legal entities | 17:54 |
| juliux_ | legal entities are up to the community council | 17:54 |
| effie_jayx | sounds fair to me | 17:55 |
| bandb_uds | yeah, the CC discussed it yesterday | 17:55 |
| juliux_ | the denish team has the task to write a proposal for that | 17:55 |
| bandb_uds | please check their logs | 17:55 |
| juliux_ | so lets wait | 17:55 |
| effie_jayx | I suggest we all be there when a final resolve on the issue is given | 17:55 |
| effie_jayx | all the LoCo council | 17:55 |
| popey | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2008-May/002198.html | 17:56 |
| JanC | if possible, yes | 17:56 |
| popey | so we need to talk to the cc and canonical about this? | 17:56 |
| effie_jayx | des the LoCo Council have an assesment for the CC | 17:56 |
| effie_jayx | ? | 17:56 |
| bandb_uds | +1 | 17:56 |
| popey | how about whilst at UDS we get some time with sabdfl and other cc members to get some direction? | 17:56 |
| effie_jayx | we might get asked our opinion on the issue? | 17:57 |
| juliux_ | popey, a good idea | 17:57 |
| effie_jayx | popey, I think that is a good start... | 17:57 |
| JanC | popey: if that's possible, that would be nice | 17:57 |
| popey | Matt East in that thread kind of threw it up in the air to the loco council, cc and canonical | 17:57 |
| * effie_jayx has got to go to USD next time | 17:57 | |
| * effie_jayx sets up ... help.effiejayxgotousd.org | 17:58 | |
| JanC | effie_jayx: just organise it and you must be there... ;) | 17:58 |
| doctormo | We need to talk about how some things we want to do are made difficult by not having any incorperated body. | 17:58 |
| popey | yes doctormo thats something we need to consider | 17:58 |
| juliux_ | doctormo, legal entities is up to the cc and not to the loco council atm | 17:58 |
| popey | but not something we can really decide on now without some input from the cc and canonical | 17:58 |
| JanC | doctormo: you can sometimes use another legal entity as a proxy | 17:59 |
| doctormo | juliux_: it's up to neither, they can advise us as teams but IMO it's up to teams. | 17:59 |
| popey | JanC: I'd rather not get into it now/here | 17:59 |
| popey | all we can do is advise | 17:59 |
| popey | we can't specifically give you a direction based on your local law / regulations | 18:00 |
| doctormo | popey: Indeed, that is why leaving it up to the CC is not good. it seems like passing the buck | 18:00 |
| JanC | we can point to several possible options for teams to consider though | 18:00 |
| popey | we aren't leaving it up to the cc | 18:00 |
| popey | we are discussing with the cc and canoincal | 18:01 |
| juliux_ | doctormo, we will work with them on that but we will not make any decision about it today! | 18:01 |
| effie_jayx | popey, I agree with you | 18:01 |
| JanC | and on the locoteam least ;) | 18:01 |
| JanC | list | 18:01 |
| doctormo | popey: why are the CC and cononical not here to talk about it then? | 18:01 |
| bandb_uds | because they talked about it yesterday | 18:01 |
| bandb_uds | check the CC logs | 18:02 |
| juliux_ | bandb_uds, +1 | 18:02 |
| bandb_uds | and there are action items | 18:02 |
| effie_jayx | doctormo, and this is our meeting, we organize our ideas and we escalate them to CC if needed | 18:02 |
| doctormo | bandb_uds: having every person read every log is a waste of time, is there a summery? | 18:02 |
| popey | doctormo: it's not every log, it's one log | 18:02 |
| juliux_ | the danish team has the task to write a provosal about that | 18:03 |
| juliux_ | and then the cc will review that | 18:03 |
| effie_jayx | time gents | 18:03 |
| juliux_ | and the cc will talk with canonical about trademark issuses about this | 18:03 |
| popey | indeed, beer calling | 18:03 |
| juliux_ | popey, +1 | 18:03 |
| doctormo | -1 | 18:03 |
| Syntux | doctormo, that one is short and sweet http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/05/20/%23ubuntu-meeting.html | 18:03 |
| juliux_ | so when we will have the next meeting? | 18:03 |
| juliux_ | in two weeks? or in four week? | 18:03 |
| popey | 2 | 18:03 |
| juliux_ | ok | 18:03 |
| effie_jayx | ok | 18:04 |
| effie_jayx | set a date for next meeting | 18:04 |
| popey | teams to approve etc | 18:04 |
| effie_jayx | ? | 18:04 |
| m-c | does prague still have great beers available for less than a dollar each? ;) | 18:04 |
| juliux_ | so next meeting is at the 4th of june | 18:04 |
| popey | stuff to do, so it makes sense to get it done soon | 18:04 |
| effie_jayx | next meeting we are doing approvals? | 18:04 |
| juliux_ | m-c, yes | 18:04 |
| popey | m-c: if you go to the right places :) | 18:04 |
| Syntux | no approval for today? | 18:04 |
| juliux_ | Syntux, we are running out of time | 18:04 |
| Syntux | oh God | 18:04 |
| Syntux | ok | 18:04 |
| nxvl | m-c: they cost between 30 and 35 monetary units, which change i don't know | 18:04 |
| effie_jayx | Council, next meeting will be? | 18:04 |
| popey | we are scheduling the next meeting for 2 weeks which is pretty quick, so we can get the approvals done | 18:05 |
| juliux_ | effie_jayx, 4th june | 18:05 |
| effie_jayx | time? | 18:05 |
| JanC | what time? | 18:05 |
| juliux_ | i will check with the edubuntu and server team at which time they have there meetings | 18:05 |
| juliux_ | so we don' t get in conflict with them | 18:05 |
| juliux_ | and then i will let you known | 18:05 |
| Syntux | I wonder if you guys could consider JordanTeam application today as I'm traveling the first two weeks of June. | 18:05 |
| popey | -n | 18:05 |
| m-c | nxvl: and you get to have vistas of castles while you enjoy it. oh, the trials of the free software developer... ;) | 18:05 |
| popey | Syntux: we really dont have time | 18:06 |
| juliux_ | Syntux, i personal had no time yet to ready your application | 18:06 |
| popey | we are going to get kicked out soon | 18:06 |
| bandb_uds | feel free to subscribe to the agenda page | 18:06 |
| nxvl | m-c: :D | 18:06 |
| juliux_ | Syntux, where are all busy with uds and we need now some beer;) | 18:06 |
| Syntux | lol ok | 18:06 |
| juliux_ | so cu in 2 weeks | 18:06 |
| juliux_ | Syntux, we are working sine 9:00 ;) | 18:06 |
| juliux_ | cu later | 18:06 |
| JanC | Syntux: maybe someone else from the team can help? | 18:06 |
| bandb_uds | to get notified of any changes | 18:06 |
| doctormo | I don't think I'll join these meetings again, I don't see the point. | 18:06 |
| popey | we need to check with other teams to fix the time | 18:06 |
| popey | and will add it to locoteam list | 18:07 |
| Syntux | juliux, popey can you confirm if you got the PDF? | 18:07 |
| popey | and fridge | 18:07 |
| popey | Syntux: i did | 18:07 |
| juliux_ | Syntux, i did | 18:07 |
| juliux_ | cu | 18:07 |
| Syntux | JanC, maybe I will check with them. | 18:07 |
| effie_jayx | popey, the minute for the meeting | 18:08 |
| effie_jayx | since you are 3 and are with beers it should come easily... so the USD attendees can do it | 18:08 |
| * effie_jayx runs | 18:08 | |
| bandb_uds | thanks all for coming | 18:08 |
| effie_jayx | bandb_uds, thank you | 18:09 |
| bandb_uds | see ya all later | 18:09 |
| Syntux | yeah, later. | 18:11 |
| Celvin | Aproval never comes :-( | 18:12 |
| effie_jayx | Celvin, it takes time | 18:12 |
| effie_jayx | we are just settling in | 18:13 |
| Celvin | effie_jayx, I guess :-( | 18:13 |
| effie_jayx | making sure we are on the right page | 18:13 |
| effie_jayx | Celvin, are you in any of the teams | 18:13 |
| Celvin | El Salvador LocoTeam | 18:13 |
| effie_jayx | I am currently reviewing El salvador and Peru | 18:13 |
| Celvin | :-O | 18:14 |
| effie_jayx | Celvin, yep | 18:14 |
| Celvin | oooH, good! if I can help just say me | 18:14 |
| effie_jayx | Celvin, well today you saw the guidelines and what we expect | 18:15 |
| Celvin | A little of | 18:15 |
| effie_jayx | Celvin, one thing you need to make sure is that your teams covers a good number of it | 18:15 |
| effie_jayx | Celvin, it'll be another two weeks but it'll give you time to be approval ready | 18:17 |
| Celvin | effie_jayx, Registered members are about 47 | 18:17 |
| Celvin | but this 28, 29 y 30 of this mounth we will have a big meeting with approximately 200 people | 18:20 |
| Celvin | effie_jayx, in the mailling list have 68 members and in the launchpad 45 | 18:21 |
| effie_jayx | Celvin, numbers are good... | 18:22 |
| effie_jayx | I remember ve had something along 74 members when it asked for approval | 18:22 |
| effie_jayx | Celvin, are you in #ubuntu-locoteams | 18:22 |
| effie_jayx | ? | 18:22 |
| Celvin | nop | 18:23 |
| Celvin | effie_jayx, now yes | 18:23 |
| Celvin | :-D | 18:23 |
| MooDoo | hello | 18:30 |
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| Lukehasnoname | hax | 19:01 |
| Lukehasnoname | What time is it GMT? | 19:35 |
| Lukehasnoname | Damnit! CDT is -5, not -6 | 19:36 |
| Seveas | @now | 19:40 |
| ubottu | Seveas: Current time in Etc/UTC: May 21 2008, 18:40:45 - Next meeting: Server Team in 2 hours 19 minutes | 19:40 |
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| Lukehasnoname | ... | 20:24 |
| Lukehasnoname | @now | 20:52 |
| ubottu | Lukehasnoname: Current time in Etc/UTC: May 21 2008, 19:53:02 - Next meeting: Server Team in 1 hour 6 minutes | 20:52 |
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| Lukehasnoname | Hello all | 21:28 |
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| Lukehasnoname | @now | 21:58 |
| ubottu | Lukehasnoname: Current time in Etc/UTC: May 21 2008, 20:59:24 - Current meeting: Server Team | 21:58 |
| Lukehasnoname | There isn't a meeting, is there? | 22:00 |
| Lukehasnoname | UDS | 22:00 |
| Lukehasnoname | damnit | 22:05 |
| juliux | 2 | 23:06 |
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