[08:25] <LivingByPlan> I am in desperate need of assistance.
[08:26] <LivingByPlan> I am in West Africa with a very poor internet connection so I am not able to do all the research I would like on my own.
[08:26] <LivingByPlan> I need some assistance in knowing how to upgrade from Edubuntu 7.04 to Edubuntu 8.04 without reinstalling from the CD.
[08:26] <LivingByPlan> Is there an upgrade path?
[08:27] <LivingByPlan> Sorry if I have posted to the wrong group but finding the right one is difficult from here.
[08:28] <johnny> uhmm.. you should be able to upgrade in the distro itself?
[08:28] <johnny> via the update manager
[08:31] <LivingByPlan> Please, how do I make it look at the CD, or at another location, rather than going to the Internet to find the updates?
[08:32] <bimberi> LivingByPlan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[08:33] <bimberi> LivingByPlan: Note that the strongly recommended upgrade path is from 7.04->7.10 then 7.10->8.04
[08:33] <LivingByPlan> Thanks I will take a look at this site.
[08:35] <LivingByPlan> I would follow that route, but still need to know how to make the upgrades without downloading the same files over and over from the internet on many computers.
[08:35] <LivingByPlan> Thanks for the tip.
[08:36] <johnny> LivingByPlan, you could setup one computer to serve up all the files to others
[08:39] <LivingByPlan> I am new to linux and to Ubuntu so need more information on how to do this.
[08:40] <LivingByPlan> If anyone has available documentation for upgrading and would care to do so, they could email it to me at david.perry.ghana@gmail.com.
[08:40] <LivingByPlan> I would appreciate the assistance very much.
[13:49] <stgraber> ogra_: How was yesterday's discussion with intel guys ?
[13:50] <ogra_> ah, well
[13:50] <ogra_> lots of HW changes ahead
[13:51] <stgraber> so lot of work to make all that working ?
[13:51] <ogra_> indeed
[13:52] <ogra_> i'll be in shanghaithe firts week of july to discuss software stuff
[13:52] <stgraber> then fly to Portland ? busy month :)
[13:53] <ogra_> inbetween there is the distro sprint as well
[13:54] <ogra_> i'm ctually travelling 3 of 4 weeks
[13:54] <stgraber> oh, so one flight to London too :) very busy month
[13:55] <ogra_> well, actually a flight to london and moving on to portland
[14:37] <RichEd> stgraber: was that content server info okay ?
[14:37] <RichEd> i'm about to check your presentation
[14:39] <stgraber> well, I can probably make a slide from that, the main problem is that I never used moodle myself except on their demo website :)
[14:39] <RichEd> stgraber: let me send you a moodle presentation as well ... you will be able to get some high leve info off that
[14:39] <stgraber> cool
[15:38] <RichEd> stgraber: sented the mail
[16:42] <stgraber> RichEd: thanks
[16:43] <RichEd> stgraber: cool ... that is quite a nice presentation ... hope it goes well for youi
[17:18] <monteslu_> ogra, you around?
[17:19] <monteslu_> anyone else ?
[17:19] <monteslu_> my terminals are getting kicked out upon login
[17:19] <monteslu_> just started happening yesterday
[17:20] <stgraber> can you define "kicked out" please ?
[17:20] <stgraber> authentication error ?
[17:20] <monteslu_> dont think so, but its possible
[17:20] <monteslu_> i log in, then black screen, then ¨x¨, then back to login screen
[17:21] <monteslu_> its ubuntu 7.04
[17:21] <monteslu_> edubuntu
[17:21] <monteslu_> i can log into the server without problem
[17:21] <monteslu_> actually 2 servers against an openldap server
[17:22] <stgraber> ok, I was thinking of the recent ssl/ssh security bug, did you do the security update recently ?
[17:22] <monteslu_> no, i havent
[17:22] <stgraber> ok, because that'll likely create new ssh keys and needs a ltsp-update-sshkeys
[17:23] <stgraber> so if you haven't it's probably something else
[17:23] <monteslu_> OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-8ubuntu1.4, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006
[17:23] <monteslu_> thatś the version im on
[17:23] <monteslu_> is there any way to test if thatś out of sync?
[17:24] <stgraber> ok, it's the broken one, so it's not the issue but you should do the security upgrade anyway
[17:25] <stgraber> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-2
[17:26] <monteslu_> i probably dont have time to fix that part this morning, can do the ssh update this evening
[17:26] <monteslu_> any other way to tell why the terminals arent connecting?
[17:27] <stgraber> if it's an issue when starting gnome you may have some debug informations in the .xsession-errors file in the user home dir
[17:28] <monteslu_> just tried the startkde session and got the same result
[17:28] <monteslu_> black screen, x, then back to login
[17:29] <stgraber> ok, you could try to do this :
[17:29] <stgraber> start a standard workstation in a failsafe X session (so only a terminal)
[17:29] <stgraber> start : ssh -X user@server
[17:29] <stgraber> then start : gnome-session or the KDE equivalent
[17:30] <stgraber> that's basically what LDM does so it may helps you debug the issue
[17:32] <monteslu_> whole bunch of pulseaudio errors
[17:33] <monteslu_> and stuff like: ** (nm-applet:6732): WARNING **: <WARNING>       nma_dbus_init (): nma_dbus_init() could not acquire its service.  dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.15" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file'
[17:35] <stgraber> and that makes the session to crash and restart ?
[17:35] <stgraber> it's supposed to be only a warning (the thin clients have pulse correctly set up)
[17:36] <monteslu_> im not sure, was that supposed to fire up another instance of gnome locally?
[17:36] <stgraber> yes
[17:36] <stgraber> that's what ldm does, connect using ssh -X (X redirection) and start gnome-session
[17:39] <monteslu_> could you give me that command again?
[17:39] <monteslu_> trying it from kde to start gnome-session
[17:41] <stgraber> ssh -X user@server
[17:41] <stgraber> then : gnome-session
[17:41] <stgraber> I guess ldm uses /etc/X11/Xsession or something similar but the result is supposed to be the same
[17:42] <monteslu_> that worked
[17:42] <monteslu_> gnome is running on top of kde
[17:42] <monteslu_> kinda wierd
[17:43] <stgraber> ok, so your problem is related to your thin client/ltsp chroot then
[17:44] <monteslu_> any idea how to troublshoot that?
[17:44] <monteslu_> i dont even know where to look
[17:44] <monteslu_> stuff was easier for me to understand in ltsp 4 :)
[17:45] <stgraber> Ubuntu 7.04 is still NFS or already NBD ?
[17:46] <monteslu_> dont know
[17:46] <monteslu_> im using nfs for the homes
[17:46] <monteslu_> but thats on a fedora server
[17:46] <stgraber> ls -lh /opt/ltsp/images/
[17:46] <stgraber> that will fail if it's using nfs
[17:47] <monteslu_> yeah, no such directory
[17:47] <stgraber> ok, can you do : ltsp-update-sshkeys and try again with a client
[17:48] <stgraber> I don't think it'll fix anything as you haven't done the security update but maybe another reason made the ssh keys to be out of sync
[17:48] <monteslu_> that worked!
[17:48] <monteslu_> should i do that from both of my ltsp servers?
[17:48] <stgraber> I think so yes
[17:48] <stgraber> (can't hurt anyway)
[17:50] <monteslu_> hmm, didnt fix the second box, but at least the lab is up now :)
[17:50] <monteslu_> and i can go to work
[17:50] <monteslu_> wish i could be at the school full time
[17:51] <monteslu_> thanks for the help!
[17:52] <stgraber> np
[19:10] <sixty6murph> hi, is edubuntu designed specifically for a teacher/pupil environment or is it suitable for unsupervised, undirected home use?
[19:11] <sixty6murph> i want to set up an old machine for a 6 and 8 year old to use by themselves...
[19:44] <johnny> edubuntu is just an addon cd now
[19:44] <johnny> you can use ubuntu and add the same packages on the internet
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