[00:09] <christian> Wazzup?
[00:18] <reese> if I upgrade to kubuntu hardy with kde4, all packages on my current kde 3.5.9 will continue to work?
[00:19] <kgx> reese: you can select which kde to log into, so yes
[00:20] <kgx> it'll act like a completely different window manager
[00:20] <kgx> is anyone using kubuntu on sony vaio? any problems with it? my boss wants to give me a vaio (except i hate reflective screens) so im thinking whether to get it or not
[00:21] <reese> kgx: so if I log in with kde4, I won't be able use the packages installed on kde3?
[00:21] <Dragnslcr> reese- you don't have to upgrade anything, just install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[00:21] <Dragnslcr> reese- KDE4 shouldn't have any trouble running anything that works in KDE3
[00:36] <Itaku> wb!
[00:36] <stdin> Itaku: I think icecast is a shoutcast server, if that's what you're looking for
[00:38] <Itaku> i got the server...
[00:38] <Itaku> looking for a program to broadcast to it
[00:39] <genii> oddcast or so
[00:43] <NikLP> vlc any good on linux? :/
[00:43] <BluesKaj> yup
[00:43] <NikLP> glad to hear, I'm installing my first kU  right now
[00:44] <NikLP> inside VirtualPC, yuk (sorry!)
[00:44] <BluesKaj> plays most media files without any probs
[00:44] <NikLP> gotta love it :)
[00:44] <NikLP> and streams, of course ;)
[00:45] <NikLP> just hope it installs this time
[00:45] <NikLP> kU that is
[00:45] <BluesKaj> amarok plays streams well , actaually easier to use than VLC in my experience
[00:45] <lukasz> i must choose in KDE default display manager :gdm or kdm?
[00:45] <BluesKaj> kdm
[00:46] <NikLP> if I ain't seen it, it's new to me! :)
[00:47]  * genii sips
[00:47] <lukasz> it not works ;/
[00:47] <lukasz>                                                                         ↑
[00:47] <lukasz>   │  No configuration:                                                      ▒
[00:47] <lukasz>   │   Should be chosen to leave the current configuration unchanged.        ▒
[00:47] <lukasz>   │  Internet site:
[00:48] <BluesKaj> NikLP, VLC has a streaming wizard , but I haven't used it much
[00:50] <NikLP> I just set it up to stream something the other day and received it in WMP, it took me like 2mins to set up, what a dream :)
[00:50] <kgx> what do you guys use for laptop power management? guidance is too simple
[00:52] <NikLP> keep it plugged in :)
[00:56] <dac_> how do you get your email and passwords encryped?
[01:03] <dac_> ?msg dac_ now _a61_
[01:04] <dac_> dac_/msg now _a61_
[01:15] <[Relic]> where can I find when the next kernel version is coming out or estimated?
[01:17] <Hechicera1973> hi everyone
[01:20] <Hechicera1973> can anyone help me with sound configuration in ubuntu?
[01:21] <billyd> What kind of sound card or chip is it?
[01:22] <Hechicera1973> well, actually i have 2
[01:22] <Hechicera1973> one install on the board
[01:22] <Hechicera1973> and the other, a pc C-media
[01:22] <Hechicera1973> C-mdia IEC958
[01:23] <billyd> There is a Sound configuration/Troublleshooting  space in Ubuntu website
[01:23] <billyd> Just one minute
[01:23] <Hechicera1973> would you please tell me the link?
[01:24] <billyd> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[01:25] <billyd> I had trouble with ALC chip - Intel-HDA and it has caused lots of problems
[01:25] <billyd> Going to 8.04 seemed to cure the problems
[01:25] <Dragnslcr> Anyone know why'd I get an error from Adept that it can't install package, but there's nothing showing up in /var/log/dpkg.log
[01:27] <Hechicera1973> yes i have th 9.04
[01:27] <Hechicera1973> 8.04 i mean
[01:27] <Hechicera1973> well, i am going to read the troubleshooting
[01:27] <Hechicera1973> thanks for your help
[01:27] <billyd> That URL has a step by step trouble shooting procedure on it
[01:28] <Dragnslcr> apt-get install says that the package can't be authenticated
[01:28] <nathan__> After I have downloaded a compressed file of a program, how do I turn it into a program? If that makes sense...
[01:28] <[Relic]> Hechicera1973, are you trying to use both sound cards at once?
[01:29] <nathan__> I am trying to get GnuPG from here http://www.gnupg.org/download/
[01:29] <Dragnslcr> Okay, never mind that issue. New question: how can I get the DNS servers that I enter in the manual network configuration to not be lost on boot?
[01:30] <Dragnslcr> (stupid Comcast)
[01:31] <Dragnslcr> And has anyone else gotten QtParted to work? It won't even start for me
[01:32] <nathan__> I know how to extract it, I just don't know what to do after that.
[01:33] <[Relic]> go into the dir and read the instructions normally in README or similar spelled file
[01:34] <nathan__> Do I also need the "Signature and SHA-1 checksum"
[01:35] <[Relic]> did you search the gnupg site for installation or compiling instructions?
[01:35] <Hechicera1973> thank you billyd
[01:35] <Hechicera1973> i have to reboot
[01:35] <Hechicera1973> bye
[01:38] <nathan__> What does "Unpack the tarball." mean?
[01:39] <nathan__> do I type "tar xzvf gnupg-x.y.z.tar.gz" into the command line?
[01:44] <Dragnslcr> GParted is so ugly compared to QtParted
[01:44] <Dragnslcr> If only QtParted actually worked...
[01:47] <BluesKaj> well, ugly maybe , but after it works , it looks so much better :)
[01:49] <adude> i just install 8.04 server where can i get info how to use it?
[01:49] <Dragnslcr> When it comes to partition disks, working will always beat pretty
[01:55] <NikLP> Dragnslcr: just this second got my login screen up in colour, under VPC2k7 :) it needed more disk :p
[01:56] <NikLP> I was burning stuff off and deleting it while the installer was running, it was pretty damn close :p
[01:58] <Dragnslcr> Nice
[02:04] <psyco> can anyone help me install cedega on kubuntu
[02:04] <Bidoof> They offer a .deb on their site
[02:05] <psyco> I run it but Gdebi just closes after a while...
[02:05] <psyco> and then there is no update on my menu (KDE3)
[02:07] <Bidoof> you try installing it through the terminal?
[02:07] <psyco> nope, Bidoof, what is the command?
[02:08] <Bidoof> sudo dpkg -i cedegadebfile
[02:08] <psyco> ty
[02:10] <psyco> Yay
[02:10] <Bidoof> it worked?
[02:10] <psyco> Yup
[02:10] <psyco> thanks
[02:10] <Bidoof> anytime
[02:10] <rysiek|pl> guys, if I want to install kde4 on my hardy so that I can choose the session (KDE3/KDE4) in KDM during logging-in, do I install kde4 or kubuntu-kde4-desktop package?
[02:11] <Dragnslcr> kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[02:12] <ElecNinja> Oh, what should I use to encrypt a partition that will be used for both windows and linux?
[02:12] <rysiek|pl> Dragnslcr: kthx
[02:13] <Bidoof> TrueCrypt
[02:13] <Bidoof> I've been having issues with bsods in XP though
[02:13] <Bidoof> so YMMV
[02:14] <ForzaPalermo> hey anywhere i can download packages for kde 4.1 alpha?
[02:14] <ElecNinja> And from the respositories, what do I install for truecrypt in kubuntu?
[02:15] <Bidoof> I don't think it's in the repos
[02:15] <Bidoof> I just checked online
[02:15] <Bidoof> http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php\
[02:16] <Bidoof> There's an option there for a .deb
[02:16] <dwidmann_laptop> What in the world is up with the Xine engine in H.H.??
[02:17] <BluesKaj> dwidmann_laptop, what do you mean ?
[02:18] <ForzaPalermo> hey anywhere i can download packages for kde 4.1 alpha?
[02:19] <Bidoof> I don't think kubuntu has a repo for it
[02:19] <Bidoof> you'd have to download and compile it
[02:19] <ElecNinja> Yeah, but when I install it, it says that "I might experience low performance" with "a bugh in some linux kernals"
[02:19] <ElecNinja> bug*
[02:20] <ElecNinja> But, I don't know if that's a relevent warning message or not, as I have upgraded to the lasts linux kernal that the repos give me.
[02:20] <BluesKaj> kde4.1 is not available cuz it's not ready , even as an alpha :)
[02:20] <ForzaPalermo> i thought someone may have created packages
[02:20] <Bidoof> Truecrypt needs a 2.6.5 kernel (or higher/compatible) with both device mapper and loop device enabled. Make sure that the kernel is configured as follows:
[02:21] <Bidoof> I think you should be set
[02:21] <Bidoof> wait
[02:22] <Bidoof> are you running 8.04 or 7.10
[02:22] <ElecNinja> I updated from a clean install of 7.10 to 8.04
[02:24] <NikLP> sooo I have no network connectivity under VPC... any thoughts?
[02:25] <dwidmann_laptop> BluesKaj: doesn't seem to like working for me in H.H. ... makes me want to kick it.
[02:26] <Bidoof> I don't know
[02:26] <Bidoof> It may or may not be slow
[02:26] <Bidoof> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766731&page=2
[02:27] <Bidoof> I think that's the only cross platform drive encryption
[02:27] <Bidoof> But you could use KGPG and PGP
[02:29] <ElecNinja> I'll try truecrypt. Thanks.
[02:29] <Bidoof> No problem
[02:30] <ElecNinja> Oh, I'm just curious, what is this message? "QSettings: failed to open file '/etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc'" It never seems to affect anything, but it appears quite a lot.
[02:31] <Jucato> BluesKaj: btw, in case you didn't see what I said earlier (apparently my IRC weirded out on me), KDE 4.1 alpha 1 was released a while back
[02:32] <BluesKaj> Jucato, too bad , more damage to the unsuspecting early adopters setups :)
[02:33] <Jucato> no packages for Kubuntu though. so no worries there :)
[02:33] <Dragnslcr> Maybe 4.1 will have the functionality back from 3.5...
[02:34] <NikLP> uh, where is the "administrator mode" button, that I'm being pointed to...??
[02:34] <Bidoof> That's what it's supposed to add
[02:35] <Jucato> Dragnslcr: Plasma is the only one with that problem to face. almost everything else works great and is adding features, not adding "back" features :)
[02:35] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[02:35] <Dragnslcr> Last time I tried 4.0, I don't think the taskbar had a context menu yet
[02:36] <Bidoof> Yeah
[02:36] <Jucato> taskbar = Plasma
[02:36] <Dragnslcr> Which makes it a bit tough to configure
[02:36] <Bidoof> You still can't change its size
[02:36] <Jucato> um. actually you can now (4.1)
[02:36] <Jucato> it's weird how to do it, but kinda amusing too
[02:36] <Dragnslcr> Please tell me that the hideous new KMenu isn't the default
[02:36] <Jucato> (what's missing is moving widgets on the panel around...)
[02:37] <Jucato> Dragnslcr: still the default. right-click to change
[02:37] <BluesKaj> widget - schmidgets ...what a silly concept
[02:37] <Dragnslcr> Is it worth trying 4.0.4, or should I just wait for 4.1 at this point?
[02:37] <Bidoof> yeah
[02:37] <Jucato> imho, wait for 4.1
[02:37] <Bidoof> Wait for 4.1
[02:37]  * genii ponders plasmatosis
[02:38] <Dragnslcr> 4.1 is due in July?
[02:38] <Bidoof> I think so
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> Dragnslcr: yes, kickoff is the default, depressing as it is
[02:38] <Bidoof> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080430-first-look-kde-4-1-alpha-1-very-promising.html
[02:39] <Jucato> BluesKaj: it's not really that silly. consider gnome-panel and kicker... everything there are just applets. what plasma "tries" (whether they succeed or not is another question) is make those "applets" common to both the "desktop" and the "panel"... instead of having separate and totally different ones like in KDE 3
[02:40] <BluesKaj> Jucato, I have to admit that concept still confuses me and I don't understand how to move them around between the panel and the desktop
[02:41] <Jucato> BluesKaj: hence the "tries" in my sentence :)
[02:41] <Dragnslcr> What do I need to set for my normal user account to have write permission to a mounted disk?
[02:41] <Jucato> **hat plasma "tries" (whether they succeed or not is another question)**
[02:41] <BluesKaj> :)
[02:41] <Jucato> s/hat/that/
[02:42] <Jucato> in any case, Plasma is almost a start from scratch and revolutionary (not evolutionary) implementation, so it will really need time to mature... **I hope** :D
[02:43] <Jucato> "widgets" is really just a fancy/Web 2.0 way of calling applets... blame OS X and Opera :)
[02:43] <Dragnslcr> I remember the days when "widget" actually meant something...
[02:43] <Jucato> it still does... at least for us GUI programmers :P
[02:44] <Jucato> now it's just overloaded
[02:44] <Jucato> aaaanyway... I guess the conv should have been in #kubuntu-kde4 :P
[02:44] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[02:45] <Dragnslcr> Copying old Windows files to a new hard drive so I can turn the old one into a RAID mirror is so much fun
[02:53] <gwp> Is there a linux version of Katia and Autocad?
[02:53] <Jucato> !info qcad
[02:54] <gwp> sweet
[02:54] <psyco> Anyone installed Warcraft III frozen throne on cedega?
[02:55] <Jucato> you'll probably want to ask in a cedega channel
[02:56] <gwp> WoW is better
[02:56] <Bidoof> give me a second
[02:56] <psyco> gwp: Pft got bored of WoW
[02:56] <Bidoof> they have a little list
[02:56] <psyco> Bidoof: List of what?
[02:57] <Bidoof> compatable games
[02:57] <psyco> Bidoof: I know its compatible
[02:57] <Bidoof> Okay
[02:58] <psyco> Bidoof: I just want to know if anyone got my problem, It gets stuck on the frozen throne loading screen.
[02:58] <Bidoof> Ok
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> psyco- I've run it on vanilla Wine without any trouble, other than the sound being a bit out of sync
[03:00] <NikLP_> quickstart?
[03:00] <NikLP_> oh you don't have bots on here I suppose (d'oh)
[03:00] <psyco> Dragnslcr: Vanilla wine?
[03:01] <Jucato> NikLP_: hm?
[03:01] <Dragnslcr> As in plain Wine with nothing else (e.g. Cedega)
[03:01] <psyco> Oh
[03:01] <Dragnslcr> !quickstart | NikLP_
[03:01] <NikLP_> I'm looking for a quickstart video or something, I'm WAY out of touch...
[03:01] <NikLP_> Dragnslcr: gotcha
[03:01] <psyco> Dragnslcr: I tried wine but it wans't working to well. I couldn't get past installing TFT
[03:02] <racquad> hi there.
[03:02] <racquad> I have just installed kubuntu-desktop on my regular ubuntu installation
[03:02] <Dragnslcr> psyco- it's been a while, but I got it working at one point
[03:02] <Dragnslcr> I don't remember if I had to do anything weird
[03:02] <racquad> but the kde has a strange behaviour.
[03:02] <Bidoof> What does it do?
[03:02] <racquad> it takes a little to draw the K-menu, for instance.
[03:02] <psyco> Dragnslcr: lol ok, I'll try wine again tomorrow.
[03:03] <racquad> when i pass the mouse over a drop down menu, it flicks a lot before I can click on it
[03:03] <Bidoof> Graphical acceleration issues?
[03:03] <racquad> Bidoof: maybe
[03:04] <racquad> do you know how can I disable it?
[03:04] <racquad> I mean, I was using compiz on my gnome desktop. Does it has anything to do with this kde issue?
[03:04] <gwp> how come when I install programs in KDE4 they dont install to the kicker, I have to search for them to run them?
[03:04] <mhz128> yo yo yo
[03:04] <Bidoof> It might
[03:05] <Bidoof> What version of KDE
[03:05] <Bidoof> 3 or 4
[03:05] <racquad> 3
[03:06] <Bidoof> I don't know, I have KDE 4 and occaisionally have an issue like that
[03:07] <racquad> The strange thing is that this happens only at my laptop. on my desktop, kde runs smooth
[03:08] <NikLP_> hm I'm getting a lot of key skipping (virtual pc) - is that something simple I can change
[03:09] <epimeth> what up peeps?
[03:09] <NikLP_> I think a lot of these apparently stupid Qs would be sorted if I could get the damn screen size big enough :p
[03:09] <epimeth> anybody know where I can find a seem editor for my motorola v3m?
[03:11] <mhz128> I've got nvidia-settings manager installed and changed my refresh rate to 60 hz. Is there a manual way of detecting what it's actually set at? I dont think its really running at 60hz... =p
[03:13] <lonran> hi all
[03:14] <lonran> is there an oxygen style/theme for kde3?
[03:17] <EmC> how do you partition and install an encrypted home directory
[03:21] <genii> EmC: I've used this method before from livecd with alterations to step 2 for partitioning scheme and other minor stuff. It's for the whole thing though not just /home  http://www.cs278.org/blog/ubuntu-configuration/feisty-debootstrap-encrypted-install/
[03:21] <genii> You can adapt to suit
[03:21] <EmC> ok, i just finished downloading the alternate cd
[03:23] <EmC> is that after you install kubuntu?
[03:24] <genii> EmC: No, it's another way to install.
[03:24] <EmC> ok
[03:25] <Armagguedes> hello
[03:25] <EmC> has anyone installed kubuntu on am xps m1330? successfuly
[03:25] <nate_> HELLO ALL, i am having a hell of a time tring to figure out how to get my wireless mouse to work with GRUB.  it works fine to get into bios,,,,
[03:25] <genii> EmC: You install the debootstrap into the livecd then go from there with the instructions, modifying as needed. I used the livecd partioner for instance instead of the manual way he has, etc etc
[03:25] <Armagguedes> can i have a suggestion for a SIP client (for use with voipbuster)=
[03:26] <NikLP_> thanks for your help guys :)
[03:26] <NikLP_> ciao
[03:28] <genii> nate_: grub doesn't have some mouse-enabled interface
[03:30] <nate_> genii:i meant the wireless keyboard
[03:31] <epimeth> anybody know where I can find a seem editor for my motorola v3m?
[03:31] <nathan__> im trying to install this program, I extracted it, then went to the command line and cd to the folder just like the readme said. Then the readme says to type "make" so I did. It said "No targets specified and no makefile found. What do I do?
[03:32] <genii> nate
[03:32] <genii> bah
[03:33] <Jucato> are you still trying to compile gnupg?
[03:33] <nathan__> yes
[03:33] <genii> nate_: Check bios to make sure usb keyboard is enabled or ps2 keyboard emulation enabled, etc
[03:33] <Jucato> nathan__: is there something wrong with our gnupg packages?
[03:34] <nate_> genii: i will try that, thanks
[03:34] <nathan__> well the website said not to use the ubuntu one. That it was old and wasn't updated regularly or something. I don't know if they know what they're talking about or not.
[03:35] <Jucato> !compile | nathan__
[03:35] <nzk> Hmm, apt isn't updating Firefox to RC1.
[03:38] <genii> nzk: The firefox update lock setting is in /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b5/firefox.cfg
[03:40] <Dragnslcr> nzk- I don't think there's a package for RC1 in the repository yet
[03:41] <MachinTrucChose> hi
[03:41] <epimeth> MachinTrucChose: hi :-)
[03:41] <Armagguedes> nzk,  no it's still at b5 in the repos
[03:42] <MachinTrucChose> haven't used Kubuntu since KDE 3.5...can someone tell me if the Options are less..."overwhelming" in KDE4? I don't mean the amount, I mean the organization in the K Panel or whatever it wsa called.
[03:48] <genii> MachinTrucChose: Currently they are using a Vista-like kmenu system
[03:49] <genii> Some like it some don't
[03:49] <epimeth> MachinTrucChose: also, kde4 isn't exactly ready for public consumption... at least afaik
[03:49] <Jucato> genii: "vista-like"? O.o
[03:50] <Jucato> (that's kinda unfair considering it was developed before vista's menu afaik)
[03:50] <labud> hi
[03:50] <Jucato> kickoff has been in KDE 3.5 openSUSE way before KDE 4 adopted it
[03:51] <labud> can anyone direct me to a channel for help on ubuntu
[03:51] <genii> Jucato: Well, thats the simplest way to explain it without arguing chicken-egg stuff
[03:51] <labud> ubuntu/kubuntu
[03:51] <Jucato> labud: this is #kubuntu
[03:52] <Jucato> #ubuntu is for Ubuntu (GNOME). this one's for the KDE version
[03:52] <labud> i need some help in finding out where to look for my dvd device and how it is listed
[03:52] <labud> i am using kde
[03:53] <o_> what is those combinetion of button to let you do like window vista ?alt +tab?
[03:54] <labud> when i go to system settings/advanced/disk and file systems   i see my dvd burner  listed as /dev/fdo
[03:55] <labud> but it says it is disabled
[03:56] <genii> labud: Do you have a floppy disk drive at all?
[03:56] <labud> i can play dvd files  [.avi and .vob]  but i cannot burn a dvd
[03:56] <labud> on my machine  yes
[03:57] <genii> labud: Does the file dev/scd0 exist on your computer?
[03:57] <labud> there is none listed in my disk and file systems window
[03:57] <genii> labud: Does the file /dev/scd0 exist on your computer?            (missed a / before dev there)
[03:58] <labud> not in the disk and file systems window    shud i look elsewhere?
[03:58] <genii> labud: in Konsole, what does command:       ls -l /dev/dvd                     report?
[03:59] <labud> no such file or directory
[03:59] <genii> labud: how about: ls -l /dev/cd
[04:00] <genii> labud: If no there either, then fd0 which it currently thinks it is
[04:00] <labud> same thing   no such file or directory
[04:02] <nflava_> anyone know of a good package that will let my use my tv capture card?
[04:37] <NickPresta> !away > word|away
[04:37] <word|away> NickPresta: tsk, someone is using my nick so i had to switch to an already identified one so it'd be easier to ghost it
[04:39] <godkas> this is my config.log from running ./configure for libmirage http://pastebin.ca/1025560
[04:40] <godkas> i noticed some errors anyone think they can lend a guess?
[04:40] <thev> Does TOP report usage on a per core basis?
[04:40] <thev> IE %95 percent is acutally %95 of one core
[04:41] <thev> I just saw it report %199 so I'm thinking that's what's up
[04:43] <sparr> whats the name of that program that can find music track information by actually "listening" to the audio?
[04:44] <Jucato> musicbrainz or something?
[04:44] <Jucato> nah..
[04:45] <genii> thev: That seems to be how mine works. When I hit 1 to show both cores #1 is at some high number and #2 a low number til #1 tops out then it kicks in
[04:48] <thev> genii - I'm just wondering what's up with UFRAW.  Seems like it's only using one core on my C2D, but on my X2 it routinely spikes over %100
[04:48] <genii> thev: I have no immediate explanation or theory
[04:48] <thev> I'm converting thousands (literally) of images, so I want to squeeze the most out of it
[04:48] <p_quarles> sparr, Jucato: yes, MusicBrainz is the one
[05:00] <byonix_> hi, my sound doesn't work how do i resolve it?
[05:01] <byonix_> hi, my sound doesn't work how do i resolve it?
[05:05] <genii> byonix_: Perhaps consult !sound factoid of the bot. If you have an intel HDA card you may need to also look up !intelhda factoid
[05:07] <byonix_> genii:excuse me?you mean, i type !intelhda factoid, indeed i use intel card
[05:07] <genii> !intelhda
[05:07] <genii> eg
[05:07] <dthacker> sparr: picard attempt to match tracks to known profiles
[05:07] <byonix_> !intelhda
[05:08] <genii> byonix_: Apologies for brevity. Long day
[05:08] <byonix_> thanks
[05:10] <navetz__> can somebody tell me how to reinstall apache2, including the config files and everything.
[05:12] <dthacker> navetz_: why do you want to do that?
[05:14] <navetz__> dthacker: because I can't connect to localhost offline
[05:15] <dthacker> navetz__: what do the apache error logs say?
[05:16] <navetz__> dthacker: I have tried a lot of different things but I think my only option is to completly reinstlaled
[05:16] <navetz__> dthacker: error logs don't say anything except favicon errors
[05:18] <dthacker> navetz__: is apache running?  "ps -ef | grep apache2
[05:18] <dthacker> " will tell you.
[05:18] <dthacker> ps -ef | grep apache2
[05:20] <navetz__> dthacker: yes it is, localhost works when I am online, just not offline
[05:21] <dthacker> navetz__: what do you consider "offline"?
[05:21] <navetz__> dthacker: no internet connection
[05:21] <navetz__> dthacker: I am on wireless and when I turn of my wireless card
[05:21] <navetz__> dthacker: I can no longer go on locahost
[05:22] <dthacker> navetz__: can you ping localhost when your wireless is off?
[05:23] <navetz__> dthacker: I don't think so, I just reinstalled apache so I'll try it again
[05:23] <dthacker> navetz__: if you can't resolve localhost properly, no service will respond to it.
[05:25] <navetz__> dthacker: Hi, yea I can ping localhost when I am offline
[05:25] <navetz__> dthacker: when I try to access it thorugh a browser though, it wont work.
[05:26] <dthacker> navetz__: what are you putting in your browser?
[05:27] <frybye> !kde4
[05:27] <navetz__> dthacker: ok, when I restart apache it goes to address 127.0.1.1
[05:27] <navetz__> but both 127.0.1.1 and 127.0.0.1 work
[05:28] <navetz__> also I noticed that there is a new ip address under eth0 for me
[05:28] <navetz__> and that ip is 169.254.6.150
[05:28] <navetz__> and that also works to go to my root directory in apache
[05:29] <dthacker> navetz__: 169.254.x.x is a default address assigned when the OS can't find a network.
[05:29] <navetz__> dthacker: oh, ok
[05:29] <navetz__> dthacker: well do you have any idea how I can fix this
[05:29] <navetz__> dthacker: I have tried so much, and nothing has worked yet
[05:30] <dthacker> so what doesn't work?  http://localhost ?
[05:30] <navetz__> dthacker: right now it does, but when my internet is off, nothing does
[05:32] <dthacker> navetz__: please verify.  If you are not connected to the network.  http://localhost does not work.
[05:33] <navetz__> dthacker: yes that is correct, http://localhost does not work, 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.1.1 don't work either
[05:34] <dthacker> hmmmm
[05:36] <Eaude> Hello
[05:36] <navetz__> dthacker: no ideas?
[05:36] <Eaude> I need help installing Widgits and theme in Kubuntu
[05:37] <dthacker> If you can ping them when you are offline, but you can't connect to them with apache, then you need to check your apache config files to make sure they are listening
[05:37] <navetz__> dthacker: Yea, I tried that but I am not to sure what I am doing.
[05:38] <dthacker> navetz__: take the apache config down to the default file, make sure that works, and build back out from there.
[05:39] <navetz__> dthacker: thats what I am trying to do by removeing apache and installing it again, but it doesn't seem to be working.
[05:39] <dthacker> look at /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[05:39] <navetz__> dthacker: alright
[05:40] <navetz__> dthacker: what am I looking for?
[05:42] <dthacker> navetz__: what I mean is disable all your virtual hosts except for the default.
[05:42] <navetz__> dthacker: ah ok
[05:43] <navetz__> dthacker: I think the default file for me only has virtual hosts
[05:44] <dthacker> then navetz__: have you configured any other virtual hosts except for the default?
[05:44] <navetz__> dthacker: not on purpose (I found this online and think it might be a good way to go)
[05:44] <navetz__> dpkg -P apache2-common apache2
[05:44] <navetz__> apt-get install apache2-common apache2
[05:45] <dthacker> ok, try that. then check if apache is started or not.
[05:47] <fenix> Hola a todos
[05:47] <fenix> alguien puede ayudarme con la instalacion de una webcam
[05:47] <flaccid> !webcam | fenix
[05:48] <flaccid> !english
[05:49] <navetz__> dthacker: If i request reinstall through adept, will it also purge then reinstall?
[05:49] <antonio_> hi guys
[05:49] <fenix> hi
[05:49] <dthacker> don't know, never tried re-install through adept
[05:49] <antonio_> can I ask something about konqueror?
[05:50] <antonio_> it's first time in irc
[05:50] <antonio_> not sure how it works!
[05:50] <se7en_> !ask
[05:50] <flaccid> !apache
[05:51] <antonio_> i'm using hardy 8.04 (kde 3.5.9), but i'm unable to use konqueror and flash
[05:51] <se7en_> !flash
[05:52] <p_quarles> antonio_, have you installed konqueror-nsplugins ?
[05:52] <antonio_> yes
[05:52] <antonio_> nsplugins installed
[05:53] <antonio_> even pointed konqueror to the right flash folder
[05:53] <antonio_> in fact i "have" flash in the plugin
[05:53]  * dthacker signs off
[05:53] <flaccid> antonio_: what actually happens
[05:53] <antonio_> just nothing
[05:53] <antonio_> i cannot see any flash image or video
[05:53] <p_quarles> wow -- some aggressive netsplits going on there . . .
[05:54] <p_quarles> antonio_, is there anything in place of where the video ought to be?
[05:55] <antonio_> yes
[05:55] <antonio_> blank space
[05:55] <p_quarles> have you tested it in other browsers (firefox, e.g.)
[05:55] <flaccid> antonio_: kubuntu version?
[05:55] <antonio_> or some red symbol (a circle with a stripe)
[05:55] <antonio_> yes
[05:55] <antonio_> it works fine in firefox
[05:56] <fenix> i'm programing on PHP, but i do this on windows, then i want change for linux, but i dont know how begin whit this step of migration
[05:56] <antonio_> it seems as if konqueror sees the plugins
[05:56] <flaccid> fenix: migrating what exactly?
[05:56] <antonio_> but it does not use it
[05:56] <p_quarles> antonio_, you scanned for plugins in the konqueror settings?
[05:56] <flaccid> antonio_: is flashplugin-nonfree installed?
[05:56] <antonio_> yes
[05:56] <antonio_> yes
[05:56] <antonio_> is there
[05:57] <p_quarles> antonio_, 32-bit or 64-bit?
[05:57] <flaccid> antonio_: ls -l /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so please
[05:57] <antonio_> 32-bit
[05:58] <antonio_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8115888 2008-05-19 01:40 /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[05:58] <fenix> flaccid: of the tools for develoment
[05:58] <flaccid> !lamp | fenix
[05:58] <antonio_> i had a similar problem in gutsy
[05:58] <flaccid> antonio_: that seems fine. run konqueror from konsole then goto a flash page, then observer stdout in konsole when it loads
[06:01] <antonio_> Improper call to JPEG library in state 202
[06:01] <antonio_> Unable to read JPEG data
[06:01] <antonio_> that's what i have
[06:01] <antonio_> but what about file association in konqueror?
[06:02] <fenix> mmm, not about of the services, more focus to desing, for example on windows exist dreamweaver that is wonderful, but on linux which can i use?
[06:02] <flaccid> antonio_: pastebin lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | grep flashplugin please
[06:02] <fenix> i dont speak english, i'm terrible:S, excuse me
[06:02] <p_quarles> antonio_, file association shouldn't have anything to do with it, so long as you have plugins loaded on demand
[06:02] <antonio_> i have for x-shockwave-flash, embedding=netscape plugin viewer
[06:02] <flaccid> fenix: quanta
[06:03] <antonio_> i don't have plugin loaded on demand
[06:03] <p_quarles> antonio_, try that?
[06:03] <antonio_> but i can try
[06:03] <flaccid> antonio_: also locate libflashplayer.so
[06:04] <antonio_> No LSB modules are available.
[06:04] <antonio_> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[06:04] <antonio_> Description:    Ubuntu 8.04
[06:04] <antonio_> Release:        8.04
[06:04] <antonio_> Codename:       hardy
[06:04] <antonio_> Linux antonio 2.6.24-17-generic #1 SMP Thu May 1 14:31:33 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:04] <antonio_> ii  flashplugin-nonfree                        9.0.124.0ubuntu2                                   Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[06:04] <flaccid> !pastebin | antonio_
[06:05] <flaccid> kde3 or kde4 and which version of konqueror?
[06:05] <antonio_> sorry
[06:05] <p_quarles> flaccid, he already said -- scroll back
[06:06] <flaccid> rightio
[06:06] <antonio_> locate result is /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[06:06] <flaccid> well in my version of that i get crash w/ signal 11. flash doesn't work because of that
[06:07] <p_quarles> antonio_, sorry, "on-demand" I was confusing with something else -- I meant "enable plugins globally" -- you have that on?
[06:07] <antonio_> yes
[06:07] <p_quarles> antonio_, well, sounds like you've done all the obvious stuff, so umm . . .
[06:07] <antonio_> in gutsy, for a long time i was unable to effectively load plugins, that was solved by an update
[06:08] <p_quarles> maybe install the tarball from the Flash web site?
[06:08] <fenix> flaccid: quanta have support for PHP
[06:08] <antonio_> it seems like konqueror does not "really" load my plugins
[06:08] <p_quarles> fenix, Quanta has support for more languages than you shake a stick at
[06:08] <flaccid> antonio_: i think we need to remove the netscape in plugins settings and just use the nonfree
[06:09] <flaccid> fenix: not sure. use eclipse for an IDE..
[06:09] <antonio_> what do you mean?
[06:09] <p_quarles> antonio_, similar things happen with Sun Java?
[06:09] <antonio_> not really
[06:09] <antonio_> that works good
[06:09] <flaccid> antonio_: i changed it, but same result
[06:10] <p_quarles> so it works with Java, just not with Flash? if that's right, then at least one NS plugin is working
[06:10] <antonio_> i use a website for uni that use java
[06:10] <antonio_> so i think it works
[06:11] <flaccid> antonio_: i tried everything, could not get it to work in konqueror 3, but it works in konqueror 4.0.3. i can successfully load http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/
[06:12] <p_quarles> antonio_, and you're not getting the "this site requires the latest version of flash" message?
[06:12] <antonio_> trying now on a java website
[06:12] <flaccid> nspluginviewer crashes with signal 11 in konq 3
[06:12] <antonio_> not working at all!
[06:12] <antonio_> but konqueror does not crash
[06:12] <p_quarles> hmm, well I've been using Flash and Konqueror 3.5.x for some time now, so it definitely works
[06:13] <antonio_> so is a problem of ns_plugins?
[06:13] <romunov> grrr ,kpdf won't stop printing two pages on one side, even though i selected one page per sheet
[06:14] <flaccid> antonio_: im on the same versions as you..
[06:14] <p_quarles> antonio_, I would give the Adobe installer a try -- uninstall the Ubuntu package and give that a try
[06:15] <p_quarles> the main difference is that it will install the Flash player for only the current user -- might make a difference
[06:15] <antonio_> ok
[06:15] <antonio_> i'll try later
[06:15] <flaccid> p_quarles: he could just copy the file
[06:15] <antonio_> copy the file?
[06:15] <flaccid> yes
[06:15] <p_quarles> or that, but the installer puts it in the right place automatically
[06:15] <flaccid> but no need
[06:16] <flaccid> goto configure konqueror | plugins
[06:16] <flaccid> under netscape plugins goto Plugins tab
[06:16] <antonio_> ok
[06:16] <flaccid> in the value colum see what the path is for the plugin library
[06:18] <antonio_> i have seven paths
[06:18] <antonio_> one is for flashplugin-nonfree
[06:18] <flaccid> you want to add /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree to the top of the directories and re-scan
[06:18] <antonio_> is already there
[06:19] <antonio_> on top
[06:19] <antonio_> just scanned
[06:19] <antonio_> no changes
[06:19] <flaccid> ok well flash only works in konqueror 4 in my hardy. you could submit a bug..
[06:20] <antonio_> just to be sure, but should i have some plugin related to netscape?
[06:20] <flaccid> nspluginviewer is the wrapper that loads the plugin
[06:20] <flaccid> for flash
[06:21] <antonio_> because i only have flashplugin-nonfree, libflash-mozplugin, libvlcplugin and 4 mplayerplugin
[06:21] <flaccid> flash plugin is essentially just libflashplayer.so
[06:21] <flaccid> i have only  flashplugin-nonfree
[06:21] <flaccid> thats all you need
[06:21] <flaccid> !flash | antonio_
[06:22] <antonio_> ok guys
[06:22] <antonio_> maybe i'll just wait for intrepid
[06:22] <antonio_> i cannot upgrade to kde4 for now
[06:22] <flaccid> you do not need kde4 desktop installed to run konq4
[06:23] <flaccid> !info konqueror-kde4 | antonio_
[06:23] <antonio_> i'll give it a try then
[06:23] <antonio_> let see
[06:24] <antonio_> anyway, many thank for your great support
[06:24] <flaccid> it should just depend on kde4 and qt4 libs but not the whole desktop
[06:24] <flaccid> np
[06:24] <antonio_> just a last thing
[06:24] <antonio_> this chat should work with kopete too right?
[06:24] <flaccid> yep
[06:24] <antonio_> any particular step to do?
[06:25] <antonio_> i'm pretty new to irc
[06:27] <flaccid> um i can't remember sorry, try #kopete . i can't find an irc account in kopete-kde4
[06:28] <antonio_> thanks
[06:28] <flaccid> np
[06:34] <romunov> what pdf viewer would you guys recommend, excluding kpdf?
[06:34] <ubunturos> if you are on KDE 4.x, okular could be good
[06:35] <romunov> no, i'm still on KDE3
[06:35] <ubunturos> hmm, I guess, Kpdf doesn't exist for KDE 4.x ;
[06:35] <romunov> i'll have to try kghostview again
[06:35] <ubunturos> romunov: then there's xpdf, if you want to
[06:36] <romunov> ugh
[06:36] <romunov> it's ugly and doesn't support printing
[06:36] <romunov> (neither does epdfview)
[06:36] <ubunturos> I assume, it might have improved by now
[06:36] <romunov> i just installed it 5 mintues ago
[06:36] <romunov> and i couldn't find a print function
[07:13] <dwidmann_> I wonder why I can't use both of my DVD drives at the same time.
[07:13] <dwidmann_> Been trying to watch something on one screen while burning something in the other and it just doesn't want to happen :(
[07:15] <MDCore> hey all... I've got a little problem. My keyboard has frozen, in the gui
[07:15] <MDCore> Ctrl-f# works and caps lock works but no other keys!??!
[07:15] <MDCore> sorry, Ctrl-Alt-F# works. I logged into the console, installed console IRC and now I'm here. Any ideas how to restore my keyboard?
[07:16] <frybye> MDCore: I am no kubuntu expert.. but I guess you did try re-booting and it has stayed the same or...?
[07:16] <MDCore> frybye: I don't want to reboot. ,
[07:17] <frybye> so the keyboard just dosent work within the gui.. eh - is there a way to delete it and re-install there???
[07:17] <MDCore> delete and re-install!?
[07:17] <frybye> MDCore: - again i dont know much about kubuntu!!
[07:17] <MDCore> okay, it just froze suddenly
[07:17] <MDCore> I don't want to reboot because I don't want to lose all my work
[07:17] <MDCore> plus this has happened before and I want to try and find out how to fix it if it happens again
[07:18] <frybye> so the mouse -and- k-board are not working in gui or..?
[07:18] <frybye> otherwise use the mouse to save all your stuff and...?
[07:18] <dwidmann_> MDCore: maybe it's a problem with the section of the X configuration pertaining to your keyboard
[07:18] <MDCore> it's just sudden. I've been using this setup for weeks
[07:18] <MDCore> and all of a sudden it froze
[07:19] <frybye> - ill take a back seat cos of my relative cluelessness... :)
[07:19] <MDCore> It's happened before, on older versions of kubuntu, and I normally just restart
[07:19] <MDCore> frybye: Thanks for trying! I do appreciate it
[07:19] <frybye> MDCore: you got a wireless or similar k-board or just regular ps2??
[07:19] <MDCore> I tried Alt-SysReq-R which didn't help but did pop something into my syslog so I know it is responding
[07:19] <MDCore> oh I should have mentioned, this is a laptop
[07:20] <frybye> MDCore: -that helps hehehe
[07:20] <dwidmann_> MDCore: perhaps x in general is hanging frozen, then again, it could be one app in particular that's causing the problem, if you have any ideas .... if you can think of a culprit, send it the kill signal (ie: kill - 9 `pidof processname`)
[07:20] <MDCore> hmm. I've got so many programs running... but let me check out the ps lists
[07:21] <MDCore> you have GOT to be kidding me... I just went back to the gui, right clicked on the desktop... and now my keyboard is responding!
[07:21] <MDCore> _so_ weird
[07:21] <frybye> MDCore:  see how good the #kubuntu support # is!!! ;=)
[07:22] <MDCore> frybye: Totally! I think I just needed moral support :)
[07:22] <MDCore> Thanks for helping me get through this, guys *snif*
[07:22] <MDCore> :)
[07:22] <dwidmann_> haha hahaha ... Well, there's definitely a problem somewhere in there ..... are there any hints in your logs (syslog, dmesg, Xorg.0.log, kern.log, messages, etc)
[07:22] <dwidmann_> lol
[07:22] <frybye> but i have a thought or two.. not kubuntu specific.. generally you mentioned runningloads of apps..
[07:22] <frybye> do you have sufficient ram for that???
[07:23] <MDCore> dwidmann no syslog was devoid of anything useful.
[07:23] <MDCore> didn't check Xorg log though
[07:23] <frybye> stuff tends generally to screw a bit if one is constantly doing more than the ram can properly cope with or...?
[07:23] <MDCore> js I have been pushing it.
[07:24] <MDCore> I'm thinking that some dialog opened up that was sucking in all the keypresses
[07:24] <MDCore> I did minimize windows trying to find it but didnt
[07:24] <frybye> i am sort-of assuming that kubuntu uses some system of "swap-file" writting stuff to the hd if the ram is full or...?
[07:24] <MDCore> Perhaps right-clicking on the desktop cleared the dialog
[07:24] <MDCore> frybye: ja. It's called "swap" :)
[07:24] <frybye> figures.. hehehe
[07:25] <MDCore> I'm just going to go with the key-slurping-dialog theory and try right-clicking on the desktop in future
[07:25] <frybye> so I am just going by general experiance that if one pushes the ram capacity too much all sorts of f-ups happen -especially stuff freezing...
[07:25] <frybye> good...
[07:26] <MDCore> Time lost if I had rebooted: 3 minutes. Time lost trying to fix it 35 minutes. The feeling of winning... priceless
[07:26] <frybye> md cool... heheh
[07:26] <frybye> how much ram have you got (u notice i am not letting go of this theory before I am forced too... heh)
[07:26] <MDCore> ok, thanks guys (and/or gals.) I'm going to get back to work. Have a nice day/night!
[07:26] <frybye> bye then...
[07:27] <MDCore> frybye: Not enough :)
[07:27] <frybye> its cheap right now - how long nowone knows...
[07:27] <MDCore> frybye: Not cheak enough plus my 5 year old lappy doesn't have any more slots
[07:27] <MDCore> cheak == cheap
[07:27] <frybye> k
[07:35] <godkas> Anyone know how I should go about installing cdemu 1.0 on gutsy? Theres a ubuntu package but its missing libmirage and when i tried to build that it doesnt registeer that its been installed or perhaps its incorrectly installed
[07:35] <godkas> this is my config.log from running ./configure for libmirage http://pastebin.ca/1025560
[07:47] <dwidmann_> ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/171.05/
[07:47] <dwidmann_> and you probably want this one - NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-171.05-pkg2.run
[07:50] <dwidmann_> so, dfrey, let me know when you get that far
[07:51] <dfrey> dwidmann: I'm not quite ready to give up on the kubuntu packages yet, because this did work previously, but I had to nuke that install....long story
[07:52] <dfrey> I'll save those lines so that I can refer back to them if I don't have any luck
[07:52] <dfrey> thanks
[07:53] <dwidmann_> hmm, really?
[07:54] <dfrey> yeah, but I can't recall what combination of packages and configuration made it work
[07:55] <godkas>  Has anyone here installed CDemu?
[07:57] <dwidmann_> dfrey may be gone now ... but the 169.12 driver doesn't support the GeForce 9's...., according to NVidia.
[07:57] <dfrey> I think it's all sorted out now.  2850fps in glxgears
[07:57] <dwidmann_> wait, now gone, must have misread ...
[07:58] <dwidmann_> all I know is this -- http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/169.12/README/appendix-a.html
[07:58] <dwidmann_> noticing that it's not there ...
[07:59] <oilinki> is there a way to enable wlan (wpa2) when the kubuntu8 laptop starts? now it's started by knetworkmanager after the user login.
[07:59] <dfrey> It's not on the list, but it seems to work.
[08:00] <dwidmann_> dfrey: with minimal performance though
[08:01] <dfrey> dwidmann_: you would expect better performance?
[08:01] <dwidmann_> well, I wouldn't call glxgears a measure of performance, however, that number is quite low compared to that of other cards ... I'd imagine that you'd be getting quite a few more fps out of glxgears.
[08:04] <dwidmann_> dfrey: at its default size, I'm seeing something like 6000 with my 8600gt
[08:05] <dwidmann_> and it's busy outputting to other screens and such, so it could probably do better.
[08:07] <dwidmann_> Oh well, so long as things are working
[08:09] <dwidmann_> In my old rig with an nvidia 7900gtx I think I saw significantly higher than that even, so it's hard to tell what's going on performance wise. could probalby use some real benchmarks, I think I'll go look around.
[08:39] <tanner_t40> i have both gnome and kde on my system, however, im in my KDE now, and a lot of my things are "gnome" like, for example, the window title bar is the gnome style, and desktop switching is gnome style. how can i get my kde back?
[08:41] <stdin> tanner_t40: it's probably running compiz, try (either from the run dialog or a terminal): kwin --replace
[08:41] <tanner_t40> stdin: wonderful, thought i removed it but guess not. thank you :)
[08:42] <stdin> it's default for ubuntu (gnome), but I don't know why it'd start in kde
[08:42] <stdin> but I don't have gnome installed so I can't test ;)
[08:42] <tanner_t40> probably some junk from playing with settings.
[08:42] <tanner_t40> well, i only had a ubuntu cd, so.. :)
[08:43] <tanner_t40> i dont much care for gnome, but the last time i tried kubuntu i was fairly unimpressed (7.04) but it has improved greatly :)
[08:44] <tanner_t40> brb.
[08:46] <tanner_t40> much better :)
[08:46] <tanner_t40> it was the desktop settings thing
[08:48] <tanner_t40> how can i add to my panel a k-menu like menu to add my favorite apps and stuff?
[08:55] <tanner_t40> anyone?
[08:56] <intelikey> question ?
[08:56] <eyemon> how do i enable "Monitor mode" on my wlan0 card??
[08:56] <tanner_t40> i want to add a k menu like menu to the panel, with my own applications
[08:56] <intelikey> add custom menu ?
[08:57] <tanner_t40> basically
[08:58] <intelikey> kde 3 or 4 ?
[08:58] <tanner_t40> 3
[08:58] <intelikey> i thought you could just right click the pannel and get an option to add a custom menu in kde3
[08:59] <intelikey> has to be a blank part of the pannel
[08:59] <tanner_t40> afraid not
[09:00] <tanner_t40> however it seems, if you make a menu under kmenu it seems you can add that to the panel, which may be what i end up doing
[09:00] <eyemon> how do i enable "Monitor mode" on my wlan0 card?
[09:02] <eyemon> plz
[09:02] <foormea> hi
[09:02] <marius> Hi there
[09:02] <kgx> anyone using hardy on sony vaio here? any issues i should be aware of before getting a sony vaio myself?
[09:02] <foormea> i've got a problem under kde: i want avi files to be played automatically with vlc. problem is, when i set vlc to be the default player for .avi files (2nd button, open with, other, vlc, remember choice), it will still play files with kaffeine...
[09:02] <intelikey> tanner_t40 i guess i was thinking about the "add this menu" option in some of the add application options of the right click.
[09:03] <marius> Can someone help me running compiz cube?
[09:04] <marius> I installed compi...but I don't have a clue how to use it
[09:07] <marius> no one?
[09:07] <tanner_t40> can anyone recommend some software to help organize (and catalog?) files? I mainly just want to have an easy way to look up documents i've downloaded
[09:08] <marius> Compiz really gives me headaches
[09:09] <tanner_t40> indeed
[09:10] <marius> In fact I'm a newby to Linux
[09:10] <intelikey> !patience
[09:15] <m0ns0on> Hello
[09:15] <marius> hello there
[09:15]  * tanner_t40 is very satisfied :)
[09:15] <m0ns0on> marius, You have any knowledge on cron scripts?
[09:16] <marius> sorry,I'm really new to linux...I'm here for help too...
[09:17] <intelikey> !ask | m0ns0on
[09:17] <Jucato> !cron
[09:18] <marius> so...how do I start the cube...do I need a compi theme for that? I really don't get the thing
[09:18] <marius> Help pls
[09:21] <intelikey> !compiz
[09:21] <marius> Thanks
[09:22] <TheFuzzball> does anyone know how to change the PATH to Strigi?
[09:22] <tanner_t40> anyone know of a good program to organize documents?
[09:22] <intelikey> TheFuzzball umm move it ?
[09:22] <TheFuzzball> intelikey, what?
[09:23] <intelikey> tanner_t40 that's vague enough to be all but unanswerable
[09:23] <TheFuzzball> intelikey, I want to change the path of strigi because KDE4 is finding it in /usr and I want it to find it in /opt
[09:24] <tanner_t40> intelikey: well, i just want to have a semi-convenient way of looking up information in documents, organizing, search, noting which document details what, et c
[09:24] <TheFuzzball> but export STRIGI_DIR=/opt/kde4/kde doesn't work
[09:24] <intelikey> TheFuzzball grep the configs to find the one that holds that info and edit it.
[09:25] <intelikey> TheFuzzball example;  grep -HRe STRIGI_DIR /etc
[09:25] <TheFuzzball> thanks
[09:25] <intelikey> TheFuzzball might also look in  ~/.kde  it could have a referance there.
[09:26] <TheFuzzball> cool
[09:26] <intelikey> grep -HRe STRIGI_DIR ~/.kde
[09:26] <TheFuzzball> I guessed :p
[09:27] <TheFuzzball> ok, done it, thanks intelikey
[09:28] <intelikey> tanner_t40 some database program like oodb maybe    or some cli tools like grep find and/or slocate
[09:30]  * intelikey likse things like "find /base/path -iname *blah* | file /base/path/dir/filename | grep string /base/path/dir/filename"
[09:31] <intelikey> and no that's not supposed to be a pipeline ^ just seperated with |
[09:33] <intelikey> oh left out   " less /base/path/dir/filename "  ^    :)
[09:34] <intelikey> of course you will probably want to use filters like "cut" and "fold" also if you do very much that way.
[09:35] <intelikey> and maybe "sort"
[09:36] <stdin> nothing like writing a command to search for a string that takes up 3 lines in a term :)
[09:36] <intelikey> stdin :)
[09:37] <intelikey> stdin long time no C++
[09:37] <stdin> heh
[09:37] <stdin> recently learnt Python
[09:38] <stdin> easier when you don't have to edit->compile->re edit->recompile...
[09:38] <intelikey> so now that you've been snake bit, what are you up to ?
[09:38] <stdin> mostly working on ubottu actually
[09:38] <intelikey> stdin ah   good   it needs it   ;/
[09:40] <stdin> I've committed 22 revisions in the last 17 days :p
[09:40] <intelikey> stdin so tell me,   is python hard/easy to learn ?
[09:41] <stdin> actually it's surprisingly easy
[09:41] <stdin> especially if you "think" in scripts
[09:41] <intelikey> stdin and where would you sujest one start ?
[09:41]  * intelikey wonders if he thinks in scripts....
[09:42] <stdin> intelikey: well, http://docs.python.org/tut/tut.html :)
[09:42] <intelikey> && should try to learn py || should leave it alone...
[09:44] <stdin> the only new "concepts" you need to learn for python are objects and classes (which are custom objects)
[09:44] <stdin> but it's not difficult to get
[09:45] <stdin> and can save you a lot of writing code when you get used to it
[09:50] <intelikey> stdin k   i'll peer into it
[09:51] <stdin> I still make some shell scripts and some c++ apps, it's the whole "right tool for the job" thing :)
[09:51] <intelikey> right
[09:52] <intelikey> shell script is always the right tool for the job,  except when it's not, of course.
[09:52] <stdin> heh, exactly
[09:53] <bhuey> I'm having a problem with kde packages in hardy
[09:53] <bhuey> The installation blows out in a script saying that basename arguments are bogus
[09:53] <intelikey> bhuey awh.  i hate to hear that.
[09:53] <bhuey> Is this a known problem ?
[09:54] <intelikey> bhuey not known by me.   maybe if you paste the exact error message
[09:54] <intelikey> bhuey and what command/app are you getting this from ?
[09:55] <bhuey> aptitude
[09:55] <bhuey> paste it where ?
[09:55] <stdin> !paste
[09:55]  * bhuey see it
[09:55] <bhuey> thanks
[09:55] <intelikey> one line ?    here.   more than one  use the pastebin
[09:56] <bhuey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13801/
[09:57] <bhuey> intelikey: that link
[09:57] <bhuey> it's rather bizarre
[09:57] <intelikey> ah a postinst script error.
[09:58] <bhuey> It f-s up other packages that use it as a dependency which is a good portion of kde4
[09:58] <intelikey> nothing bizarre about that.  first check the script to see if it's a bashism error    first line of the script say #!/bin/sh   or  #!/bin/bash
[09:58] <bhuey> hmm
[09:59] <intelikey> the script location is  /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdm-kde4.postinst
[09:59] <intelikey> you can pastebin the script if you want.
[10:00] <stdin> I can't find any instance of 'basename' in any kdm-kde4 {pre,post}{inst,rm} script
[10:00] <intelikey> stdin lets see his,  his package may be different ?
[10:00] <stdin> same version
[10:00] <bhuey> yeah, same here
[10:00] <intelikey> and it could be a recurring "ucf" bug
[10:01] <bhuey> ucf ?
[10:01] <intelikey> yeah  /usr/bin/ucf
[10:01] <intelikey> it's been bugged sense before dapper
[10:01] <bhuey> sense=since ?
[10:02] <intelikey> yeah
[10:02] <bhuey> ok
[10:02] <bhuey> well, how do I fix it ?
[10:03] <intelikey> well first lets try to find the exact problem.    edit the postinst script and change the set -e to set -x   then run it like this    sudo /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdm-kde4.postinst > error.txt 2>&1
[10:04] <intelikey> and pastebin  error.txt for us
[10:04] <bhuey> eh ?
[10:05] <intelikey> stdin err does it requite an  install  argument ?
[10:05] <intelikey> require even
[10:05] <stdin> shouldn't do
[10:06] <bhuey> reload
[10:06] <bhuey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13802/
[10:07] <intelikey> ok  looks like   /usr/share/debconf/frontend   is where the problem is
[10:07] <stdin> perl script, eww
[10:08] <intelikey> yeah.  i'm bailin' on that one.  you can fix if you want.
[10:09] <stdin> bhuey: have you tried purging and reinstalling it?
[10:09] <bhuey> purging using what ?
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> !register
[10:09] <stdin> intelikey: only the truly insane understand perl, and I'm not one of those yet ;)
[10:09]  * intelikey is the gut that purged all perl from his system on basic principle
[10:09] <intelikey> guy even
[10:10] <stdin> bhuey: "sudo aptitude purge kdm-kde4" then "sudo aptitude install kdm-kde4"
[10:10] <bhuey> I did a remove --purge
[10:10] <stdin> with apt-get?
[10:11] <bhuey> aptitude
[10:11] <intelikey> bhuey you said that several packages were depending on kdm-kde4 ?
[10:11] <stdin> aptitude has a purge command
[10:11] <bhuey> yes
[10:11] <bhuey> well, it's done
[10:12]  * intelikey wonders what would depend on  kdm-kde4 ...
[10:12] <bhuey> now I'm downloading a couple of packages at about 30k/s
[10:12] <bhuey> which is very slow, have ubuntu servers gotten very slow recently ?
[10:12] <stdin> intelikey: it's needed for some things in kde4 to work properly
[10:13] <stdin> bhuey: depends which servers you are using
[10:13] <intelikey> stdin really ?
[10:13] <bhuey> archive.ubuntu.com
[10:13] <stdin> intelikey: yep, like switching users and the like
[10:13] <stdin> bhuey: try using a local mirror
[10:14] <bhuey> what's a local mirrow in san diego ca ?
[10:14] <intelikey> stdin you saying that gdm is not a usable replacement there ?
[10:14] <bhuey> sometimes I get wicked speeds
[10:14] <intelikey> bhuey   us.
[10:15] <bhuey> like nearly 18000k/second
[10:15] <stdin> intelikey: in 4.0 at least, not really
[10:15] <bhuey> 1.7Mbytes/sec
[10:15] <bhuey> cable modem is smoking
[10:15] <bhuey> sorry
[10:15] <intelikey> bhuey us.archive.ubuntu.com should be about as local as you'll get
[10:16] <stdin> if you still can't install the package file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+filebug
[10:16] <bhuey> same problem
[10:17] <intelikey> heh  purge debconf   ;/    you probably wont want to it will take tons with it
[10:19] <stdin> $ apt-cache rdepends debconf|wc -l
[10:19] <stdin> 938
[10:19] <stdin> and that's just direct deps
[10:19] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=df70f227
[10:19] <intelikey> even better   can't be done dirrectly
[10:19] <bhuey> just filed the bug
[10:20] <bhuey> thanks for the help anyways
[10:20] <Choreboy> I'm having the hardest time with S-Video out :-( Can anyone help?
[10:20] <Choreboy> the only literature I can find is for Edgy
[10:20] <intelikey> bhuey welcome.    and one might tweek the postinst script and get the package installed anyway   but it'd be a dirty hack
[10:21] <bhuey> no, I don't want to screw with that, too much of a waste of time
[10:21] <bhuey> this kind of thing needs to be reported anyways
[10:22] <intelikey> of course. report it.   heh then hack away  :)))
[10:22] <bhuey> it's a bit surprising since Ubuntu is so good about stuff like this most of the time
[10:22] <bhuey> yeah, I've got kernel development to deal with so.... :)
[10:22] <bhuey> and folks are paying me to do it
[10:23] <bhuey> got to get my priorities straight
[10:25] <Z_God> the extra volume, calculator, etc. keys suddenly do not work anymore in my hardy installation, anyone know which application is responsible for this?
[10:27] <miloko>  8-)
[10:28] <Choreboy> does anyone know how to kick my output to S-video so I can see my screen on TV?
[10:29] <Choreboy> I've tried to read up on it, tried to fiddle with it, and I am not having any luck.
[10:31] <Choreboy> maybe someone could take a peek at my xorg.conf file and tell me if there's something I'm missing?  http://pastebin.com/d6bce5913
[10:31] <intelikey> !tvout
[10:32] <Choreboy> :-\ I've already looked at the ATI wiki, some of it doesn't appear applicable and wasn't too helpful
[10:34] <intelikey> need guome to kde translation ?
[10:40] <Nyad> !kubuntu
[10:40] <Nyad> !kde4
[10:42] <Choreboy> intelikey: was that directed to me?
[10:46] <intelikey> yeah just asking.
[10:47] <intelikey> i.e.  in place of gksudo it's kdesu   and in place of gedit it's kate    that kind of thing.
[10:48] <Nyad> Hi. is it possible to install other wm's in kubuntu? like fluxbox and blackbox and use those instead?
[10:48] <Jucato> Nyad: sure
[10:48] <intelikey> those are not wm's they are DE's  but yes
[10:48] <Jucato> splitting hairs, their WM's :P
[10:49] <Jucato> gtg :D
[10:49] <Nyad> kde is a DE, fluxbox and blackbox are WM's
[10:49] <intelikey> kwin is a wm too
[10:50] <Jucato> KWin is the WM used by KDE. KDE is the DE, KWin is the WM :)
[10:50] <Tm_T> kids...
[10:50] <Jucato> like I said, splitting hairs. )
[10:50] <Jucato> :)
[10:53] <Nyad> when I install them, will it be the same way of logging into them? where kde login manager will let me pick them from the session list?
[10:54] <Choreboy> intelikey: Yeah I've got that part, just some of the info is outdated and doesn't apply, which makes it hard for me to workaround since I know zilch about linux
[10:55] <Choreboy> packages that have gone poof, etc.
[10:56] <intelikey> Nyad yes.
[10:57] <intelikey> Choreboy ah  ok   well if i had such hardware i might be able to help expressly  but alas i can not.
[10:58] <Choreboy> intelikey: It's OK. I think I'm being punished for having ATI instead of NVidia
[10:58] <hector> Hi. I've troubles to install scripst using greasemonky in firefox 3 beta 5, under kubuntu 8.04 (kde 3)
[10:58] <hector> Any idea ?
[11:02] <mhb> hi folks
[11:04] <mhb> I'm using Kubuntu and KDE4 (hardy) and I'm currentlly installing Pardus in a virtual machine. Even though top shows only 29-80% CPU activity on my one core, the computer is still so sloow that you can't even type int othe console fluently
[11:04] <mhb> any ideas?
[11:04] <mhb> I've got a dual core machine, so ideally the other core should be able to manage the terminal "load"
[11:06] <tzd> if i don't use compiz, am I suppose to have any compiz files in my system? E.g. i find a lot of compiz files on my system during: locate compiz
[11:14] <smeril> after i brought my laptop in the airplane xray i had problem staring it it says that is cant start gnome effects and frezes i have to log in in failsafemode
[11:14] <smeril> is there anything i can do
[11:14] <smeril> ?
[11:15] <Choreboy> buy a new laptop. I kid, I kid.
[11:15] <smeril> :(
[11:16] <smeril> I have heard that the xray can destroy the computer
[11:16] <Choreboy> nah
[11:16] <Choreboy> xray didn't hurt it
[11:17] <Choreboy> xray can hurt photo film and magnetic storage things (like floppy disks)
[11:17] <smeril> but why does it freaze every time i start it?
[11:17] <smeril> I cant start it without failsafe
[11:18] <Choreboy> I couldn't tell you but I had the same problem without going through any xray machine. It just randomly happened one day
[11:18] <Choreboy> can you disable effects?
[11:18] <Choreboy> in failsafe
[11:18] <smeril> no it cant make any changes with desktop apperance
[11:18] <Choreboy> you're using Gnome, not KDE?
[11:19] <smeril> I am not sure now i belive its gnome
[11:20] <Choreboy> have you done extensive configuration changes? Are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[11:20] <Choreboy> U comes with gnome out of the box, K comes with KDE out of the box
[11:20] <smeril> ubunty hardy heron from a cd
[11:20] <smeril> ubuntu
[11:21] <smeril> everything worked before my trip
[11:21] <smeril> no configurations
[11:21] <Choreboy> I really don't know enough about Ubuntu to help, but you may find better help in #ubuntu or ##gnome
[11:22] <Choreboy> try #ubuntu first
[11:22] <smeril> thanks i will try
[11:23] <Choreboy> you are in Kubuntu which uses KDE. Not to say people in here don't know Gnome, but you're more likely to get the help in #ubuntu instead of here.
[11:24] <Choreboy> smeril: do you know how to change channels?
[11:24] <viperserv1> i need some help with ubuntu and permissions
[11:24] <smeril> yes
[11:25] <Choreboy> just checking
[11:25] <viperserv1> well gnome actually
[11:25] <viperserv1> i made a new account and it can't use wine in gnome
[11:25] <Choreboy> viperserv1: I just mentioned to smeril, for gnome help you might be better off in #ubuntu or ##gnome instead of in here.
[11:25] <viperserv1> oh
[11:26] <viperserv1> how many r in gnome?
[11:27] <azet_> i like KDE
[11:31] <Choreboy>  video driver patch for xorg 7.1 won't work for xorg 7.3, or will it?
[11:32] <kuroryuu> Choreboy: it's unlikely
[11:33] <viperserv1> anyone use freenx here?
[11:34] <viperserv1> it wont let me set group permissions in gnome even with root
[11:39] <Choreboy> There's no ATI tv-out driver patch for xorg 7.3! Very disappointing. TV-out is really the only reason I boot to windows anymore.
[11:41] <viperserv1> aright
[11:46] <viperserv1> hmm does rtorrent or ltorrent work from ubuntu?
[11:46] <kuroryuu> Choreboy: are you sure they didn't build the patch into 7.3?
[11:47] <petgrill> hi i am about to install SoundMAX Audio Driver and alsa driver because my mic doesn't work and i don't know if suround works too, any guidance??? which one should i install 1st?
[11:47] <Choreboy> kuroryuu: no, I'm not sure. How would I find that out? I see no mention anywhere
[11:48] <kuroryuu> Choreboy: have you tried just using the tv out or looking for a guide to use it with 7.3?
[11:49] <Choreboy> I'm really not having any luck with any venue
[11:49] <petgrill> anyone an opinion?
[11:50] <kuroryuu> Choreboy: using open source ati driver or fglrx?
[11:51] <viperserv1> hmm does rtorrent or ltorrent work from ubuntu?
[11:53] <kuroryuu> Choreboy: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_TV-Out#X_configuration seems to have a lot of info on editing xorg.conf for tv-out
[11:53] <Choreboy> kuroryuu: I am not using the open source yet, I'm trying to find a patch for it before I do.
[11:54] <Choreboy> kuroryuu: yeah so does http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout but alot of it is outdated
[11:55] <kuroryuu> Choreboy: from what I've read, 7.3 includes support for ati tv out
[11:56]  * mjponce is away: zzz zzz zzz
[11:56] <Choreboy> kuroryuu: so I can use the latest opensource driver and not need to patch it?
[11:57] <kuroryuu> by the look of it, yes, just a matter of putting the right lines in xorg.conf
[11:58] <Choreboy> kuroryuu: I don't know how to do that, but I'm sure I'll figure it out as long as the driver can get 'er done
[11:58] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[11:59] <rysiek|pl> I am having problems with adding a SMB/Windows printer
[11:59] <rysiek|pl> the "Add printer assistant" does not find the printer, although it's visible AOK on windoze
[12:00] <kristian__> Hi. I'm wondering about what is best practice when downloading a program manually. I mean: If it is just a zipped archive, where is the best place to put the files, where should I run the executable from?
[12:00] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: what kind of program
[12:00] <kristian__> Like the Danish version of Firefox.
[12:00] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: is it a windows *.exe?
[12:00] <kristian__> No, it is the Linux version.
[12:01] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: hmmm, who won't you just install a Danish locale on your machine?
[12:01] <rysiek|pl> *why
[12:01] <kristian__> With apt-get the program files are sort of distributed between /usr/bin (symlinks) and /usr/lib (the "real" program folder).
[12:02] <kuroryuu> kristian_: you can install in your home dir and just create shortcuts in the menu and on the desktop to it
[12:03] <viperserv1> hey does rtorrent or ltorrent work from ubuntu?
[12:03] <kristian__> The thing is, I don't want to put it in my home-folder (e.g. as a hidden folder), cause I want to seperate settings and executables so that I can do a nice clean reformat of my root but keep settings intact.
[12:03] <Choreboy> oooh I was just about to ask the same question kristian just asked!
[12:04] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: if you want to just keep your firefox settings, then just copy/backup your ~/.mozilla folder
[12:04] <Choreboy> I am going to download a tar.gz file, it's an open source video driver, I don't know how to umm.. install? it.
[12:04] <kristian__> I know I could simply create a new folder called "apps" or something under /usr - but I think this would be a bad way to muddle up the standard system.
[12:04] <kuroryuu> kristian_: then install in /usr/local or /opt, that's usually the standard for custom installs
[12:04] <Choreboy> extracting is the easy part, but I don't know where to extract to or what to do after that.
[12:04] <kristian__> Great, what does "opt" stand for?
[12:05] <kuroryuu> Choreboy: for a source tar ball there's usually a README or INSTALL with instructions
[12:05] <kuroryuu> kristian_: couldn't tell you, lol
[12:05] <Choreboy> kuroryuu: included inside the gzip?
[12:06] <Choreboy> I'm getting my driver from here  http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/driver
[12:06] <kristian__> Isn't it odd, by the way, that Firefox creates files under /etc/firefox[...] like bookmarks and stuff like that??
[12:06] <kristian__> ... I mean, shouldn't they be placed under ~/
[12:06] <kristian__> ?
[12:06] <kuroryuu> kristian_: not really, /etc is where apps put system wide configuration files
[12:06] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: they are
[12:06] <kristian__> Yeah, but not bookmarks, I would suppose?
[12:07] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: you have your own, user-specific config in ~/.mozilla/firefox
[12:07] <kristian__> Oh, okay, so I suppose. they're just templates or defaults.
[12:07] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: yup.
[12:07] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: those are the ones you'll get when you delete ~/.mozilla/firefox
[12:08] <kuroryuu> Choreboy: after using tar -xvf blah.tar.gz, you get a folder, in the folder will be everything you need including instructions
[12:08] <kristian__> Okay, thanks a lot. Now, only problem is that under /usr/local the same structure with directories like bin and lib is repeated. Should I just ignore this structure and make a directory called /usr/local/Firefox, for example?
[12:09] <Choreboy> kuroryuu: I don't know what any of that is, I think you're telling me after I unzip the file I'll have a folder that contains various files including instructions?
[12:09] <Choreboy> whoops not to quote you verbatim ;-)
[12:09] <kuroryuu> kristian_: better to use the bin that's there, it should be on your path and makes it easier to run the program
[12:10] <kuroryuu> Choreboy: yes, you do know how tar works, right?
[12:10] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: wait, why again do you want to download a zipped version of Firefox from Mozilla and not use the one from repos?
[12:11] <Choreboy> kuroryuu: not if my life depended on it.
[12:11] <kristian__> Wouldn't it be a mess just dropping all the files from every program I want to install in the same folder...? Or are subdirectories also in the path, so I could just use /usr/local/bin/Firefox?
[12:11] <kristian__> Cause the repo doesn't have a version in my language.
[12:11] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: is it danish?
[12:11] <kristian__> This more like a fundamental question, though :)
[12:11] <kristian__> Yep.
[12:12] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: what's the two-letter-code for danich
[12:12] <rysiek|pl> *danish
[12:12] <kristian__> DA
[12:12] <prateek> i have kubuntu 7.10 and wanna upgrade to 8.04..i have hardy live cd. how can i do it **without internet** directly from cd
[12:12] <prateek> ubouto
[12:12] <kuroryuu> kristian_: it dumps everything into several folders actually, makes everything a bit easier in some ways, contrary to what you might think
[12:12] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: mozilla-firefox-locale-da-dk
[12:12] <prateek> ?
[12:12] <kristian__> Oh, great :)
[12:13] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: you can also make your whole system use the Danish locale
[12:13] <kuroryuu> Choreboy: what did you do with the .tar.gz file so far?
[12:14] <Choreboy> well, I downloaded it right smack to my desktop
[12:14] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: kdesu qt-language-selector --mode install
[12:14] <Choreboy> tried to extract it with Ark, but that was nothing-doing.
[12:14] <kristian__> I would think this could be an advantage. But isn't it a bending of the guidelines just placing symlinks in /usr/bin and then everything else in /usr/lib? I mean, I'm sure there are things in /usr/lib/gimp, for example, that aren't exactly libraries...! Yet it seems to be pretty standard?
[12:14] <prateek> i  have kubuntu 7.10 and wanna upgrade to 8.04..i have hardy live cd. how can i do it **without internet** directly from cd?
[12:14] <prateek> ?
[12:15] <kristian__> Can I make the whole system use the Danish locale without changing the system language? The Danish translation is terrible, way too literal.
[12:15] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: you want the danish locale only for firefox?
[12:15] <rysiek|pl> hmmm
[12:16] <kuroryuu> Choreboy: did it give you an error?
[12:16] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: no idea, actually, never tried somthing like that. the package I gave you should do the trick, though
[12:16] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: and I believe there are language packs for Firefox, distributed by mozilla separately as add-ons, so that you don't have to download the whole installatioon
[12:16] <kristian__> No, would be great if it were system wide for apps from repo, but with the OS still in English
[12:17] <kuroryuu> kristian_: you could try: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox-locale-da-dk
[12:17] <kristian__> I would have thought so, too...
[12:17]  * mjponce is away: Gone away for now.
[12:17] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: you will have to fiddle with *l10n* and *i18n* packages
[12:17] <kristian__> Thanks, I will.
[12:17] <kristian__> What does that mean?
[12:17] <[ex]p|0s10n> привет КУТЭфилы :((
[12:18] <kuroryuu> kristian_: sorry, so used to the command line, lol, open up adept and install the mozilla-firefox-locale-da-dk package
[12:19] <Choreboy> kuroryuu: I lost connection, did I miss anything from you?
[12:19] <kristian__> Yeah, thanks. The above suggestion of changing some setting in Qt, would that make apt-get always try to find localized versions, or was I just misunderstanding something?
[12:19] <kuroryuu> Choreboy: just asked if Ark gave you an error
[12:19] <Choreboy> kuroryuu: I just ran that command you said on the file. It did all sorts of things :-)
[12:20] <Choreboy> kuroryuu: It did, and I don't recall what it was, but it doesn't matter anymore because I did that command in Konsole you gave me
[12:20] <kuroryuu> Choreboy: yes, it should have printed out a list of everything it found in the tar.gz file and there should be a new folder on your desktop
[12:20] <prateek> '
[12:20] <prateek> d
[12:20] <kristian__> Is the mozilla-firefox-locale-da-dk package the latest version of Firefox 2, or is it version 3 - and how can I tell?
[12:21] <Choreboy> Konsole has issues anytime I try to CD to the desktop so I moved the file, let me check.
[12:21] <kuroryuu> kristian_: unfortunately I think it's firefox 2, it should say in the package description in adept
[12:21] <Choreboy> kuroryuu: yes it extracted it to a folder in the same directory. No I suppose I'll have a look-see for instructions in there.
[12:21] <kristian__> Oh, I see, it is simply an add-on.
[12:23] <viperserv1> what rtorrent do i need to ubuntu?
[12:23] <kuroryuu> kristian_: yeah, it's 2.0.0.7
[12:24] <kristian__> Yeah, and I remember now. For some reason this package doesn't change anything at all. Menus and everything else still in English. Strange...
[12:25] <vlt> Hello. I'm trying to put some media files on an iPhone using Amarok. I installed "ipod-convenience", made ssh key login possible and setup the media player device in Amarok Settings. When trying to connect I get error "No ipod found". Any idea what's missing?
[12:26] <kuroryuu> kristian_: it won't be automatic, you need to change the settings somehow to get the danish menus
[12:26] <Choreboy> kuroryuu: Thanks for your help. This is quite an undertaking for me since I'm spankin' new to Linux.
[12:26] <kristian__> I also remember now, that I have tried downloading addons from the web to localize Firefox - but I haven't been able to find any option anywhere to set this.
[12:26] <kuroryuu> Choreboy: I'm glad I could be of assistance, linux ain't easy, but it's worth it, and it's tons easier than when I was learning, lol
[12:27] <Choreboy> kuroryuu: I have learned a lot in a short time. I dual boot XP and Kubuntu on my laptop, and I find Kubuntu to be faster and cleaner. Video-out is really the only thing I boot XP for anymore.
[12:27] <kristian__> That is, I am able to "use" the language under Extensions -> Languages [or something like that], but it doesn't change nothin'.
[12:28] <kuroryuu> kristian_: pretty sure your only option is to install the danish version from the site then
[12:29] <Choreboy> Alright boys and girls I should have gone to bed about 8 hours ago. Good... morning? and thanks again.
[12:29] <kuroryuu> Choreboy: good luck
[12:29] <Choreboy> kuroryuu: thanks, you've definitely put me on the right path.
[12:30] <kristian__> Yeah, thanks anyway. Oh, what conclusion did we reach regarding the placing of manually installed programs? /usr/local/bin/Firefox[for example]? :)
[12:30] <rysiek|pl> kristian__: /usr/local/bin or /opt/
[12:31] <kuroryuu> for firefox I'd go with /opt, makes more sense for an /opt/firefox folder that contains everything
[12:31] <kuroryuu> unless you want to split it all up manually ;)
[12:31] <kristian__> That's a good advise.
[12:32]  * rysiek|pl brb
[12:32] <kuroryuu> then just point your shortcuts to /opt/firefox/firefox and you're good to go
[12:32] <kristian__> In any case I couldn't bring myself to just dump 20 files and 10 folders from Firefox in the root of /usr/local/bin. Would be too messy if some other app came along...!
[12:36] <kuroryuu> usually /opt is for binaries since everythings in one folder while /usr/local is for compiled apps since "make install" splits everything up into wherever they need to go
[12:36] <kristian__> Yeah, great. Do you have a sense about wether this is a widely accepted practice...?
[12:37] <kuroryuu> what I've been describing is pretty much a unix standard
[12:37] <kristian__> I mean, using /opt with subfolders.
[12:37] <kristian__> ... and not just for executables.
[12:37] <kuroryuu> yup, opt is for whole folders of stuff jumbled together
[12:38] <kristian__> Great. Firefox is a compiled app too, though, not so?
[12:38] <kuroryuu> well you download the binary from the site, but you could get the source if you wanted
[12:39] <kristian__> Oh, right. But "make install" doesn't distribute the compiled files in the standard hierarchy, does it? More like distributes the compiled files within the compilation folder, right?
[12:40] <kuroryuu> make install distributes using the standard heirarchy, basically ./bin ./lib etc wherever you set the prefix in the ./configure step
[12:41] <kuroryuu> default is /usr/local, but if you used ./configure --prefix=/usr it would put executables in /usr/bin libraries in /usr/lib etc
[12:43] <kuroryuu> make install just moves the compiled files from the compilation directory to the standard heirarchy
[12:43] <kristian__> Oh, right. I will be more careful compiling stuff in the future, then. I thought I could just delete the folder in which I did "make install" if I wanted to get rid of the program again. Now I understand, that I would have to keep track of the files made by "make install" in order to uninstall them in the future. Doesn't the standard folders get extremely messy over time, if people don't know which files are in use and which aren't??
[12:44] <kuroryuu> sometimes, but there are a few ways of making it cleaner, for ubuntu you might want to look into "checkinstall"
[12:44] <kristian__> That's very interesting...!
[12:44] <kuroryuu> using checkinstall does the usual make install plus it logs the install in apt so you can apt-get remove it
[12:45] <kristian__> So there isn't something like "make uninstall" that could be run, for example in the same folder as I compiled it in?
[12:45] <kuroryuu> and it'll go through all the folders and delete everything that was installed for that program
[12:46] <kuroryuu> actually there is a make uninstall, never knew that before, lol
[12:46] <kristian__> Sounds like a really good solution. In the regular how-to for compiling and installing programs, should I just substitute the line "make install" with "checkinstall" or with "make checkinstall"??
[12:46] <kuroryuu> but with checkinstall you can delete the source directory
[12:46] <kuroryuu> i forget exactly how checkinstall works, but you first have to install it, should just be called checkinstall in apt
[12:47] <kuroryuu> there's a guide on the ubuntu wiki I think
[12:47] <kristian__> Okay, I can always look into it online.
[12:47] <kuroryuu> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall
[12:47] <kuroryuu> there you go
[12:47] <kristian__> Thanks so much! I've learned a lot today :)
[12:48] <kuroryuu> no problem, glad I could help
[12:48] <kristian__> !!
[12:58] <ubuntu> ciao a tutti
[13:03] <viperserv1> dr willis
[13:03] <viperserv1> anyone know how to add premissions in gnome?
[13:06] <kristian__> Add permissions to what?
[13:06] <viperserv1> users
[13:07] <kristian__> Permissions to files? Folders? Programs?
[13:07] <xt828> i seem to have borked an install of msttcorefonts, because whenever i go to add or remove a package it gives me an error about all the .exes it's trying to download from 127.0.0.1:8118, which doesn't exist on my network
[13:07] <viperserv1> wine
[13:08] <ubuntu> raga ho un paio di domande chi potrebbe aiutarmiiiiiiiiiii
[13:08] <ubuntu> please...................
[13:09] <xt828> ubuntu: try #kubuntu-it
[13:09] <kristian__> viperserv1: Tell me what doesn't work.
[13:10] <ubuntu> ooooooooooooooooooo ma nn risponde nessuno??????????????
[13:10] <jdavies> !en | ubuntu
[13:10] <viperserv1> well
[13:11] <viperserv1> i made a new user and it won't work for her
[13:11] <viperserv1> wine wont load
[13:11] <kristian__> Oh.
[13:11] <viperserv1> but it will load for the admin user i have
[13:12] <kristian__> That's strange, I would've thought Wine would be installed for all users. Or maybe that you could add your new user to some "wine"-group. But I'm afraid I will have to pass this one on. I'm not exactly a pro myself...
[13:13] <viperserv1> well it's installed
[13:13] <viperserv1> but doesn't want ot load
[13:13] <kristian__> Can you run the Notepad program that is installed by default?
[13:13] <viperserv1> nope
[13:13] <kristian__> What does it say if you try?
[13:14] <ubuntu> c'è qualche italiano connessooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[13:14] <viperserv1> no errors
[13:14] <ubuntu> ?
[13:14] <jdavies> !it | ubuntu
[13:14] <kristian__> Just silence? That sucks...
[13:16] <kristian__> Well, sorry, can't help you | viperserv1
[13:19] <kristian_> hi kristian_
[13:20] <viperserv1> i think i know what was wrong
[13:21] <viperserv1> the gnome dir was missing wine
[13:44] <Dragonath> I installed hardy on my sata drive, however my motherboard can't boot it, how do I install grub on my usb stick so that I can use it to boot the hardy installation?
[13:54] <jhutchins> Dragonath: What device is your usb?
[13:54] <jhutchins> Dragonath: Why can't your motherboard boot to sata though?
[13:54] <pfabregat> hi all
[13:54] <Dragonath> it's too old, and the only way I can update the bios is with a floppy disk drive, which I don't have
[13:55] <pfabregat> where i can change the tty's resolutions ?
[13:55] <Dragonath> I have a 1GB usb stick
[13:55] <pfabregat> (using hardy)
[13:55] <Dragonath> I've booted DSL off it so booting from that works with my motherboard
[13:55] <Dragonath> now I only need to install grub on it
[13:56] <jhutchins> Dragonath: Well, if you get around to answering my question, maybe I can help you after my shower.
[13:57] <Dragonath> mm what did question did I not answer? :P
[14:00] <Dragonath> my usb stick is currently /dev/sdb
[14:02] <southernc> anyone have a problem where they logout and the screen turns black and you cant do anything ?
[14:03] <southernc> anyone know how to correct this problem ?
[14:03] <jonah> hey guys how can you set cd drives to eject when you press the button
[14:04] <southernc> (:0/
[14:04] <southernc> as long as there not mounted then theyll eject when you press the button
[14:04] <Dragonath> southernc: once the screen turns black, what does it say when you press ctrl+alt+f1?
[14:05] <southernc> no commands work
[14:05] <pfabregat> jonah: you can bind a key to the eject command
[14:05] <southernc> ive tried ctrl alt del ctrl alt f1 f2 f3 f4 etc
[14:05] <southernc> and nothing happens
[14:05] <pfabregat> jonah: and eject -t closes the tray
[14:05] <tmk_> the uuid of my external usb harddrive is not always assigned at boot.  if the uuid is not assigned at boot I have to turn off then turn on the harddrive for it to be assigned.  is there some way to have the uuid assigned to this harddrive at boot all the time?
[14:05] <pfabregat> jonah: so you can bind a key to open, and a key to close ;)
[14:06] <jonah> pfabregat: but is there a way so when i press the cd tray button it opens?
[14:06] <southernc> it should anyway unless you have it mounted for some weird reason
[14:08] <southernc> ok good answer
[14:08] <rysiek|pl> guys, after moving a harddive with kubuntu from comp A to comp B everything works honky-dory BUT the right ALT doesn't work as a char modifier (so that I could type-in  my Polish ąść ;) )
[14:08] <rysiek|pl> any ideas where to change it?
[14:08] <Jucato> tmk_: UUID's are assigned to partitions when they are created, not when they are booted
[14:08] <pfabregat> jonah: it's not the button function itself ?
[14:09] <Jucato> tmk_: if it gets a consistent /dev file, why not try using that? or give it a LABEL? (Not sure how to do that one though)
[14:11] <jhutchins> Dragonath: Boot in rescue mode from the cd, chroot to the drive you installed to, mount the USB, and grub-install /dev/sdb
[14:11] <jonah> pfabregat: no the button on the pysical hardware, the eject button on the drive. how do you make it work.
[14:12] <Dragonath> ok, thanks jhutchins
[14:12] <Dragonath> will try that
[14:12] <jhutchins> jonah: You must unmount the disk first.
[14:13] <tmk_> jucato: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid when i boot sometimes there isn't a uuid to external usb harddrive link.  i have to manually turn off then turn on the drive for a link in /dev/disk/by-uuid to be created.
[14:13] <pfabregat> jhutchins: eject command does the umount trick too
[14:14] <southernc> i told him it cant be mounted three times already
[14:14] <crs> Hello.
[14:14] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> hi
[14:15] <pfabregat> jonah: if is not the physical button in the cd/dvd drive, what button're you talking about ??
[14:15] <crs> Is it a hdparm thing, that hddrive seems to work more quitly than on gentoo?
[14:16] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> somebody can talk me how can I change my ubunto language?
[14:16] <jonah> pfabregat: it is the the physical button i'm talking about. but if there is a cd in it won't eject. i know you can unmount it first or whatever but can't you just make the button eject without having to do that. there is a setting in gnome to allow so i figured there would be an alternative in kde also??
[14:16] <pfabregat> Rodrigo_de_Olive: you have to install the proper language pack
[14:17] <crs> and what is that: HDIO_GET_UNMASKINTR failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device ? Its from hdparm ;/
[14:17] <pfabregat> jonah: what kubuntu version ?
[14:17] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> pfabregat where do I get download files?
[14:18] <jonah> pfabregat: gutsy
[14:18] <pfabregat> Rodrigo_de_Olive: kmenu->add and remove programs and then you search the language pack and install
[14:18] <pfabregat> jonah: odd, i use gutsy at home and the button just works
[14:18] <pfabregat> (even if is it a cd in it)
[14:19] <jonah> pfabregat: yeah that's the thing, it works ok until there is a cd in and mounted. then it won't work until i unmount.
[14:19] <pfabregat> jonah: check for dmesg errors when you push the button
[14:20] <crs> How to uninstall package (like kde4) with all dependencies? I mean with all packages it installs?
[14:20] <pfabregat> crs: in add and remove programs, look for the dummy package
[14:20] <pfabregat> crs: what're you triyng to uninstall ?
[14:21] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:21] <crs> pfabregat: kde4
[14:21] <crs> pfabregat: but this installation now is just to learn system. I want to migrate to kubuntu but i need first learn how to use it. Im a gentoo user so far. :)
[14:22] <pfabregat> ok
[14:22] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> isn't there a site where I get the file changer language?
[14:22] <pfabregat> i think the dummy package is called kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[14:22] <crs> pfabregat: yes it is, that what i installed.
[14:23] <crs> Rodrigo_de_Olive: use your package manager, You will find this in menu
[14:23] <pfabregat> Rodrigo_de_Olive: why do you want a site when you have the add and remove app ?
[14:23] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> I'm at add/remove files...
[14:24] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> here there's: development, edutainment, games, graphics, internet....... excuse-me but, where I chage the currently language to portuguese language?
[14:26] <pfabregat> Rodrigo_de_Olive: in the Settings category you'll find a program called Language Support
[14:27] <crs> pfabregat: find and install package called: language-pack-kde-pt-base
[14:28] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> oh... in my Settings category there's not none "language support" oh my god!
[14:29] <pfabregat> no problem, look for adept or synaptic in your menu
[14:30] <pfabregat> then do as crs said, install language-pack-pt*
[14:30] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> in adept there's just the word "quit"
[14:32] <pfabregat> then do "    sudo apt-get install language-pack-pt*    "
[14:33] <crs> pfabregat: Can you use wildcard in package names? ;-)
[14:33] <pfabregat> crs: of course ;)
[14:33] <crs> Nice. ;-)
[14:33] <unrealex> alguem me pode dar uma ajuda
[14:33] <unrealex> ???
[14:34] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> qual é seu problema cara?
[14:34] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> também tou pedindo ajuda eles
[14:34] <pfabregat> unrealex: english or spanish only for me :P
[14:34] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> mas meu ubunto não tem a opção que eu quero
[14:34] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> sorry
[14:34] <unrealex> eu uso o ubuntu a +- 1h
[14:34] <unrealex> e tentei instalar verias vezes o enemy territiry
[14:34] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> aqui vc pode falar só inglês ou espanhol (I'm helping this user)
[14:34] <crs> I think he just said that he has kubuntu for about one hour only :P
[14:35] <pfabregat> yes and he wants to install a game
[14:35] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> you're right crs
[14:35] <pfabregat> tipical :P
[14:35] <unrealex> e aparacece uma mensagem a dizer que eu nao tenho privilegios suficientes para tal +-
[14:35] <crs> ;-)
[14:35] <unrealex> e nao sei o que fazer
[14:35] <unrealex> :p
[14:36] <crs> Hmm,. I have got a problem with flash. Doesn't work ;/
[14:36] <pfabregat> Rodrigo_de_Olive: tell him that he needs to execute the installer with sudo
[14:36] <pfabregat> crs: where? firefox ?
[14:36] <crs> konqueror
[14:36] <unrealex> i tried that already
[14:36] <unrealex> whit the sudo
[14:36] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> he's talking the following: "I try to install several times the 'enemy territiry'" and, appears a message that he doesn't have possibility to do that
[14:36] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> vou tentar te ajudar cara
[14:36] <crs> pfabregat: I can gray area in place ehere player should be. ;/
[14:36] <crs> pfabregat: I can see*
[14:37] <unrealex> but the program keps saying that can find the file
[14:37] <pfabregat> crs: in the preferences window of konqueror you have a plugins tab, and in there there's a button called "search for plugins", it searchs in mozilla's folders for differents plugins, included flash
[14:38] <ForgeAus> !works for me
[14:38] <crs> pfabregat: the same in opera, doesnt work ;/
[14:38] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> unrealex, o cara disse que você precisa executar o instalador c/ sudo
[14:38] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> sei lá o que é isso
[14:38] <ForgeAus> thanx ubottu
[14:38] <unrealex> isso da direitos de super administrador acho eu
[14:38] <ForgeAus> wiat ubottu? gained some weight I see
[14:38] <ForgeAus> with an extra t :)
[14:38] <Pici> !pt | unrealex
[14:38] <Fyl0n> I have two soundcards installed on Kubuntu 8.04
[14:38] <Fyl0n> With the Redmond OS it's possible to go to Start/Configuration Screen/Sound and set one of the cards as default soundcard.
[14:38] <Fyl0n> Is this also possible with Kubuntu?
[14:39] <ForgeAus> RedmondOS?
[14:39] <Fyl0n> WINDOWS
[14:39] <ForgeAus> oh I tend to call it Vista or XP
[14:39] <Fyl0n> hate to say/type that word..
[14:39] <ForgeAus> I think there used to be a Redmond Linux
[14:39] <Fyl0n> really?? haha
[14:39] <ForgeAus> yes
[14:39] <Fyl0n> lol
[14:39] <ForgeAus> I'm almost sure of it
[14:39] <Fyl0n> omg
[14:39] <jussi01> Fyl0n: "asoundconf list" then "asoundconf set-default-card <card from list>"
[14:39] <ForgeAus> also Xenix was a Unix from Microsoft
[14:39] <crs> pfabregat: the same. not working after looking for a plugins.
[14:40] <ForgeAus> its very outdated now however
[14:40] <unrealex> 'No write permission to /usr/local/games
[14:40] <BluesKaj> Fyl0n, asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[14:40] <unrealex> '
[14:40] <Fyl0n> jussi01: thanx! will try it out! :)
[14:40] <ForgeAus> (although parts of it were used for Interix/SFU/SUA)
[14:40] <jussi01> :)
[14:40] <Fyl0n> BluesKaj: also thanx :O)
[14:40] <Fyl0n> Xenix was in 83 right? :)
[14:40] <Fyl0n> long time ago
[14:40] <ForgeAus> in fact I wouldn't be suprised if parts of Xenix were built into Windows originally
[14:40] <pfabregat> crs: 32 or 64 bit ?
[14:40] <ForgeAus> yes Fyl0n something like that
[14:41] <ForgeAus> I don't know the exact date
[14:41] <ForgeAus> I'm not going to pretend o
[14:41] <ForgeAus> grr pretend to
[14:41] <Fyl0n> ForgeAus: well I've got some original documents here of Xenix :)
[14:41] <ForgeAus> (this laptop is dropping keys)
[14:41] <BluesKaj> oh jussi01 is on the job, good ...
[14:41] <crs> pfabregat: 32. In  about:plugins i have got multiple Shockwave Flash entries ;/
[14:41] <ForgeAus> Fyl0n ahh fellow oldskooler :)
[14:41] <pfabregat> ForgeAus, Fyl0n; you talk like bots =/
[14:41] <Fyl0n> pfabregat: we do??
[14:42] <Rodrigo_de_Olive> hey... now, help me again please... how can I change my screen? the resolution currently is 1024x768 but the windows_xp resolution is 1280x1024 and at ubunto this last resolution isn't appear...
[14:42] <ForgeAus> unfortunately I'm not a PC user from as far aback as 8086, I come into the game at the 286 era...
[14:42] <ForgeAus> DOS3.3 as I recall
[14:42] <Fyl0n> ForgeAus: same here hehe kewl
[14:42] <ForgeAus> back when you'd NEVER fill 2 20MB hard drives
[14:42] <jussi01> !ot
[14:42] <Fyl0n> ForgeAus: you around 30 of age? ;)
[14:42] <ForgeAus> good point Jussi :)
[14:43] <ForgeAus> 33 in fact
[14:43] <Fyl0n> hahaha
[14:43] <pfabregat> crs: odd... how did you install the flash player ?
[14:43] <crs> pfabregat: via adept i think...
[14:44] <pfabregat> crs: i think i never installed that way... you could try to install the player from the adobe web
[14:44]  * genii sneaks jussi01 a coffee
[14:44] <ForgeAus> can I join a second server on X-Chat?
[14:44] <jussi01> ForgeAus: of course!
[14:44] <ForgeAus> whast the command /server (newserver) disconnected me
[14:44] <pfabregat> crs: although via adept should be ok =/
[14:46] <ForgeAus> I know in mIRC its server -m
[14:46] <ForgeAus> but in X-
[14:46] <Fyl0n> guys it was a pleasure.. I will be back!
[14:46] <Fyl0n> and thanx for the support :)
[14:46] <ForgeAus> chat its different
[14:46] <ForgeAus> cya Fly0n
[14:46] <ForgeAus> hav fun
[14:46] <Fyl0n> thanx! ;)
[14:46] <ForgeAus> oops Fyl0n if I can type it right
[14:50] <Dragonath> hmm I booted into recovery mode, mounted my sata drive (mount /dev/sda1 /media/sata), chrooted (chroot /media/sata), but then mount didn't show my usb stick anymore
[14:50] <Dragonath> fdisk -l gave me an error about accessing /proc/partitions
[14:51] <Dragonath> I think this might have something to do with the fact that my sata drive is in some kind of raid array
[14:52]  * Dragonath is trying to install grub on his usb stick so he can boot into the hardy he installed on his sata drive which can't be booted by his motherboard
[14:59] <Dragonath> "/dev/sdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." <-- what does this mean?
[15:00] <Dragonath> came after "grub-install /dev/sdb"
[15:00] <nosrednaekim> did you do this within a chroot?
[15:01] <shane_2_peru> Dragonath: did you find /boot/stage1 first?
[15:01] <Dragonath> nosrednaekim: no, I just tried it out in konsole right now
[15:02] <Dragonath> shane_2_peru: I'm afraid that I don't know what you're talking about :)
[15:02] <nosrednaekim> Dragonath: where are you doing this from?
[15:02] <shane_2_peru> Dragonath: you are trying to install grub correct, to a usb stick?
[15:02] <Dragonath> yes, shane_2_peru
[15:03] <Dragonath> so I could boot from the usb stick and have grub load the linux on my sata drive
[15:03] <shane_2_peru> Dragonath: here is a good guide I just dug up:  http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm#How_to_add_Grub_to_your_USB_thumb_drive.
[15:03] <Dragonath> aha
[15:04] <shane_2_peru> Dragonath: I have installed grub many times, and it isn't too hard, installing it to a USB stick should in theory be the same.
[15:04] <Dragonath> I got some very simple instructions from here too, yes but they didn't work out
[15:04] <Dragonath> I hope that this tutorial will work
[15:05] <shane_2_peru> Dragonath: that guide looks like it should work, it has all the steps for setting up grub
[15:05] <shane_2_peru> Dragonath: I have used similar guide to reinstall grub many times, and it works like a charm.
[15:06] <Dragonath> it's just that the linux installation I'm doing this all from is different from the one I want it to boot to
[15:06] <Dragonath> but as long as I get grub installed I can change the configuration once I boot the thumb drive, right?
[15:13] <dhq> i need help i get internet via a modem and i want to broadcast it over my Wirelesscard
[15:20] <Dr_willis> dhq - thats ip masquerading,  theres some guides/wiki pages on internet conection shareing. I aint dont it in ages.
[15:20] <Dr_willis> !share
[15:21] <Dr_willis> !ics
[15:25]  * genii slides Dr_willis a coffee
[15:26] <Dr_willis> im about ready to go to bed. :)
[15:27] <genii> Dr_willis: Ah, Ok. <switches it for cocoa>
[15:35] <crs>  HDIO_GET_UNMASKINTR failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[15:35] <crs> ;/
[15:35] <crs> hdparm...
[15:38] <crs> iny ideas how to check which controller (?) isnt inappriopriate?
[15:40] <genii> crs: What parameter did you use hdparm with?
[15:41] <crs> genii: That is the thing. I didnt change anything. This is after default installation. And this is result just of hdparm /dev/sda
[15:41] <crs> I have got three lines like that.
[15:41] <crs> another are: HDIO_GET_DMA and HDIO_GET_KEEPSETTINGS
[15:43] <Dr_willis> i dident think one used hdparm on sata type disks.
[15:43] <crs> Dr_willis: This is not a sata drive. This is PATA (?).
[15:43] <genii> crs: Thats fine and normal. It's probing to see what drive capabilities are, 3 of which don't work for that drive
[15:44] <crs> genii: This is not normal, cos it works in gentoo. ;/
[15:44] <Dr_willis> PATA disks are using the new scsi subystem now a days with that libata stuff
[15:44] <Dr_willis> !libata
[15:44] <crs> Dr_willis: exactly...
[15:44] <Dr_willis> !ata
[15:44] <crs> !libsata
[15:44] <Dr_willis> so hdparm is no longer used to tweak them. I dont know what replaces it however.
[15:44] <llutz> sdparm
[15:45] <crs> llutz: lovely, thanks a lot. ;-)
[15:45] <crs> Thanks guys. So i dont have to worry anymore. ;-)
[15:46] <crs> Oh, have another quiastion. LAst one, i promise. ;)
[15:47] <crs> Where can I find howto how to make a package? I have got a program I am using. I have been updating it quite often. Lets say that i will compile it successfully, how to turn make install into package building?
[15:48] <Jucato> !packaging | crs
[15:48] <Jucato> !checkinstall | crs
[15:48] <crs> checkinstall sounds greate ;-)
[15:48] <crs> great*
[15:48] <crs> hanks Jucato ;-)
[15:48] <crs> Ok, that is. I promise. :)
[15:49] <jussi01> crs: checkinstall packages are _not_ for redistribution
[15:49] <crs> that's it*
[15:49] <crs> jussi01: Can imagine. ;-)
[15:49] <crs> Is just for myself.
[15:49] <crs> ok, lets try to build this. ;-)
[15:52] <crs> so many develope packages missing ;)
[15:52] <crs> its fun now :)
[15:53] <crs> Can i find out somehow which package contains named binnary?
[15:55] <IppatsuMan> crs: dpkg -S <binary> if it is already installed, else apt-file search <filename>
[15:55] <llutz> crs: bind9
[15:55] <crs> IppatsuMan: Thanks. ;-)
[15:55] <crs> llutz: ? ;-)
[15:56] <IppatsuMan> crs: you're welcome
[15:57] <crs> This is so quick and easy to use binary distros. :-)
[15:58] <crs> I dont have to wait hours again. ;>
[15:58] <tzd> where can i find out which nvidia driver i need for my geforce fx5200 please?
[15:58] <crs> tzd: normal nvidia driver (I have the same card)
[15:59] <llutz> should be nvidia-glx
[15:59] <tzd> ok thanks! Then I'll leave out the appropriate driver config tool since that one will install the nvidia-glx-new package
[16:01] <wayne> hi
[16:05] <simi> hi, i installed kubuntu 8.04 kde4  and i can't change the resolution, i can select my resolution but the Aplly button is disabled, how can i change the screen resolution?
[16:05] <Jucato> simi: #kubuntu-kde4
[16:05] <crs> simi: vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf. There you can change resolution for X system.
[16:06] <wayne> just start with kubuntu
[16:06] <wayne> so this is where i come with my problems
[16:07] <ubunturos> if a software is available in the repos of kubuntu, community support here is available for that ?
[16:07] <simi> crs:  if i know well you can't change anymore the resolon  from xorg.conf
[16:08] <crs> simi: really? Why?
[16:08] <wayne> tried ubuntu and xubuntu so giving kubuntu a whirl
[16:09] <simi> crs: ok it is posible but the file  has now a configured video device(in ubuntu)
[16:09] <crs> Ok. ;-)
[16:09] <crs> It is time for cooking. See you later chaps.
[16:16] <wayne> any ladies
[16:23] <franck> bonjour
[16:24] <franck> y a t-il quelqu'un ici
[16:26] <Pici> !fr | franck
[16:26] <drain> hello, i need some  help, i set up pure-ftpd and installed pureadmin, i have a users and can log into server, but now how do i share stuff? how to share a partition mounted to /media/multimedi? thanks...
[16:27] <franck> pour des renseignements en français ou aller
[16:28] <uygar> hi
[16:31] <fildo_> hi guys
[16:31] <fildo_> i have seem to booted into hardy
[16:31] <fildo_> and i cannot type
[16:32] <fildo_> i can move the mouse, to check applications
[16:32] <crs> fildo_: How did you type whis msg? ;-)
[16:32] <fildo_> im on my laptop
[16:32] <crs> this*
[16:32] <fildo_> everything operates find. i just have no ketstrokes what so ever
[16:33] <fildo_> find = fine
[16:36] <Dragonath> I create a bootable fat32 partition on my usb stick with fdisk
[16:36] <Dragonath> then I follow instructions from here - http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm#How_to_add_Grub_to_your_USB_thumb_drive.
[16:36] <Dragonath> yet still grub loads from my HD instead of the usb stick
[16:36] <Dragonath> however damn small linux managed to boot off of the stick earlier today
[16:36] <erythrocyte> anyone knows how to turn on 'java' in Tools>HTML settings in Konqueror?
[16:36] <Dragonath> so what's wrong?
[16:36] <erythrocyte> for good i mean
[16:38] <erythrocyte> i check/enable 'java' in Tools>HTML Settings, but somehow it reverts back to disabled once konq is restarted or opened a second time
[16:43] <erythrocyte> anyone: is there a way for me to enable the 'java' option under Tools>HTML Settings, in Konqueror permanently? it reverts back to disabled, when i restart konqueror
[16:46] <erythrocyte> jabba: hi! i dunno if you recall, yesterday you tried helping me with my slow bootup problem; thanks for your help...i reinstalled kubuntu today and everything is back to normal!
[16:49] <anirudh0> hi...does anyone know when proxy support will work in kde4
[16:50] <anirudh0> in konqueror and plasma applets
[16:57] <erythrocyte>  anyone: is there a way for me to enable the 'java' option under Tools>HTML Settings, in Konqueror permanently? it reverts back to disabled, when i restart konqueror
[17:11] <jabba> yarg, i hate reorganizing my office
[17:11] <jabba> is there a way to play apple's drm music on leenucks? or crack it?
[17:19] <erythrocyte> anybody, can you please tell me how to turn on java permanently in konqueror?
[17:21] <jmmartins> buenas tardes!!! Donde se pueden ver los procesos que se estan ejecutando?
[17:24] <rdiazr> hola
[17:24] <rdiazr> ya llegue
[17:25] <rdiazr> si
[17:25] <rdiazr> ?
[17:25] <rdiazr> que paso
[17:25] <rdiazr> hay alguien ahi
[17:25] <rdiazr> ?
[17:25] <rdiazr> hi everyone
[17:25] <erythrocyte> hello rdiazr
[17:26] <rdiazr> hi ya http://www.sre.gob.mx/pasaportes/canje/ordi_mayor_edad.htm
[17:26] <rdiazr> how ya thee
[17:26] <rdiazr> there?
[17:26] <rdiazr> u there?
[17:26] <erythrocyte> rdiazr: yes
[17:26] <rdiazr> kim ya
[17:27] <rdiazr> as?
[17:27] <rdiazr> asl?
[17:28] <erythrocyte> rdiazr: sorry i'm having a little trouble following you
[17:28] <erythrocyte> rdiazr: is there something i can help you with?
[17:28] <rdiazr> oui
[17:28] <rdiazr> i'm hew here
[17:29] <rdiazr> and i need to know about linux
[17:29] <erythrocyte> rdiazr: i'm rather neonatal myself :) ...shoot
[17:29] <rdiazr> ok
[17:29] <rdiazr> i get it
[17:30] <rdiazr> how can i to update my kubuntu
[17:30] <rdiazr> ?
[17:30] <erythrocyte> ridiazr: i think you do it via adept
[17:30] <rdiazr> u there?
[17:31] <rdiazr> ok, but i don't understand that tool
[17:31] <rdiazr> is not easy
[17:31] <erythrocyte> rdiazr: in a terminal you could just type,  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:32] <rdiazr> this in command line
[17:32] <erythrocyte> rdiazr: yea, it's a little confusing for me too
[17:32] <erythrocyte> rdiazr: yes
[17:32] <rdiazr> ok
[17:32] <rdiazr> i get it
[17:32] <rdiazr> and that order upate my system
[17:33] <rdiazr> is it correct?
[17:33] <erythrocyte> rdiazr: yea...take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[17:33] <rdiazr> ok
[17:33] <erythrocyte> rdiazr: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[17:33] <rdiazr> i dont know
[17:33] <rdiazr> how can i to know ?
[17:34] <erythrocyte> rdiazr: ok, in order to find out type, lsb_release -a
[17:34] <rdiazr> ok  Description:    Ubuntu 7.04
[17:35] <rdiazr> Release:        7.04
[17:35] <erythrocyte> ok
[17:35] <rdiazr> Codename:       feisty
[17:35] <rdiazr> cool u r a guru linux
[17:36] <erythrocyte> rdiazr: so the way ubuntu handles upgrades with releases like feisty is that it each upgrade takes you incrementally from one version to another....if you want to upgrade to the current 8.04 release, you need to first upgrade to 7.10 and then from there to 8.04
[17:36] <erythrocyte> erythrocyte: lol...hardly dude :)
[17:36] <erythrocyte> rdiazr: i'm a noob myself
[17:37] <erythrocyte> anybody, can you please tell me how to turn on java in Tools>HTML Settings permanently in konqueror?
[17:42] <Armagguedes> does Kub.8-04 support a 2nd monitor out of the VGA port?
[17:43] <Armagguedes> (laptop)
[17:49] <jabba> erythrocyte: ever get your init thing figured out?
[17:50] <erythrocyte> jabba: actually i reinstalled kubuntu and everything's come back to normal...and as for init...i just learned yesterday that runlevels 2-5 are all the same in ubuntu
[17:50] <jabba> eeks, reinstalled
[17:50] <jabba> i had no idea that was the case.
[17:50] <erythrocyte> jabba: yea :( ...it was painful
[17:51] <jabba> i wonder what they were thinking. usually 2, 3, and 5 are different, and very importantly so
[17:51] <erythrocyte> jabba: yea, there is a nice LQ thread somewhere
[17:51] <jabba> (and 1 and 6)
[17:51] <jabba> although a long time ago i took a redhat box and added a runlevel 8 to it :)
[17:52] <erythrocyte> jabba: actually, ubuntu uses something called upstart...they've eliminated /etc/inittab by design
[17:52] <erythrocyte> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/since-we-have-no-etcinittab-506281/
[17:53] <jabba> hrms
[17:53] <jabba> i kinda dislike this brave new world :/
[17:55] <erythrocyte> jabba: tell me about it :) ...hey i need some help with another problem
[17:55] <jabba> i has an answer
[17:55] <erythrocyte> is there a way for me to turn on the 'java' option under Tools>HTML Settings in Konqueror permanently?
[17:56] <erythrocyte> at the moment i need to keep re-enabling it everytime a new instance of konqueror opens up
[17:56] <jabba> i dunno about java, i'm a perl programmer :)
[17:56] <erythrocyte> jabba: ok :)
[17:57] <jabba> !yaquake
[17:57] <jabba> hm
[17:58] <anirudh0> hi..does anyone know when proxy support will work in konqueror kde4?
[18:03] <Chrysalis> hey, everywhere i read about konqueror and java it says that all i need to do is install java and restart konqueror (possibly scan for plugins too), but in the plugins options i only see flash and no java
[18:03] <Chrysalis> am i missing something?
[18:03] <tanderson> erythrocyte--tools/configure konqueror/java & java script/ uncheck use security manager
[18:04] <erythrocyte> tanderson: lemme give that a try..
[18:06] <erythrocyte> tanderson: wow! that did it! i'm guessing having it on all the time is a security vulnerability?
[18:07] <erythrocyte> tanderson: thanks :)
[18:08] <jabba> !amarok
[18:08] <tanderson> No problem. I hope it is not a security risk. I guess if you are worried you can turn off global and fill in trusted sites.
[18:08] <erythrocyte> tanderson: something weird just happened, i re-enabled security manager, and the java option still stays on!
[18:08] <erythrocyte> tanderson: you think this could be a bug?
[18:09] <tanderson> No! there is no bugs. He He. Haven't played with it again.
[18:10] <nighthawk> Ein hallo in die runde
[18:21] <plut0nash> hi
[18:21] <plut0nash> can anyone help me with an issue with USB / Mouse keyboard?
[18:24] <vlt> Hello. For loading audio tracks to an iPhone I use Amarok. Any idea how to get video files there?
[18:24] <vlt> !ask > plut0nash
[18:25] <plut0nash> I see... Well, I have a problem, when I press key combinations the mouse freezes up. When i release my keys It stops doing so. How do I stop that.
[18:26] <dwidmann_> plut0nash: try plugging the mouse in elsewhere maybe?
[18:26] <plut0nash> dwidmann_: changed port a few times
[18:26] <dwidmann_> plut0nash: something that would be on a different controller if possible ...
[18:26] <plut0nash> hmm
[18:26] <plut0nash> i figured it's a controller issue
[18:27] <plut0nash> i still have a front usb port connector somewhere
[18:27]  * plut0nash goes to look
[18:29] <azzco> Kubuntu hardy uses pulseaudio right?
[18:29] <plut0nash> dwidmann_: no other possible solution?
[18:30] <dwidmann_> plut0nash: I don't know, I just that would be an easy one if you could
[18:30] <dwidmann_> only thing I could think of anyhow
[18:31] <plut0nash> hmmm
[18:31] <plut0nash> heard there was a xorg.conf issue that I could fix
[18:31] <plut0nash> let me google
[18:31] <dwidmann_> plut0nash: pastebin it and we'll take a look if you want
[18:31] <azzco> I get some scratchy noises from my webcam mic and I dug out a normal microphone, plugged it into the back of my computer but I don't know how to set it up with pulseaudio =/
[18:32] <plut0nash> 10-4
[18:40] <plut0nash> dwidmann_: pastebin of my xorg.conf?
[18:40] <dwidmann_> !paste
[18:41] <egork> Hello there, anybody has experience connecting a bluetooth a2dp headset?
[18:42] <plut0nash> dwidmann_: i know what it is, but what is it you need me to pastebin? :P
[18:42] <egork> It seem I just can not get it pair with my dongle. It is visible though.
[18:42] <dwidmann_> your wording confused me ... like you mentioned, your xorg.conf, yes.
[18:42] <plut0nash> ahh
[18:42] <plut0nash> sorry :)
[18:43] <plut0nash> http://pastebin.com/m4d00bb5
[18:44] <ubunturos> does Kubuntu 8.04 DVD work as a LIVE DVD?
[18:46] <plut0nash> ubunturos: pretty sure it does
[18:47] <ubunturos> plut0nash: ok, thanks.
[18:54]  * dwidmann_ is back
[18:56] <thierry> bonsoir
[18:57] <plut0nash> dwidmann_: let me know when you've gone through my conf
[18:58] <austin_> Hi.
[18:58] <dwidmann_> plut0nash: certainly nothing broke, but I have an experiment for you.
[18:59] <plut0nash> ok
[18:59] <plut0nash> sure
[19:01] <dwidmann_> plut0nash: try using evdev. You can get a mostly copy+pastable bit to use as a base for using it from the evdev manpage. On top of that, however, it's useful to use the ``Option "Device" "/dev/input/by-id/[insert device id here]"``
[19:03] <plut0nash> mmm
[19:03] <plut0nash> ok
[19:04] <dwidmann_> Don't delete the original keyboard/mouse sections though. Comment them out by placing a # at the beginning of the line in case something goes awry.
[19:06] <plut0nash> yeah
[19:06] <plut0nash> i was going to say
[19:06] <plut0nash> :p
[19:06] <plut0nash> i want xorg killing my mouse
[19:06] <plut0nash> :p
[19:07] <dwidmann_> lol
[19:08] <plut0nash> eheh
[19:08] <plut0nash> well
[19:08] <plut0nash> we'll see if works
[19:10] <plut0nash> http://pastebin.com/m3f4c4805
[19:10] <plut0nash> mmm
[19:10] <plut0nash> ok so
[19:10] <plut0nash> 3 different mouses
[19:14] <n6vkz4jesus> Dual boot trouble, can any on help me?
[19:14] <dwidmann_> n6vkz4jesus: what sort
[19:15] <dwidmann_> plut0nash: go into the "by-id" folder in /dev/input, like I showed above :)
[19:15] <n6vkz4jesus> I have trouble with a dual boot on a p4 dell.
[19:15] <n6vkz4jesus> the other OS is Vista
[19:15] <n6vkz4jesus> For the rest of the world in my home I have left this on the other hard drive.
[19:15] <n6vkz4jesus> the other trouble is ... I used as the second drive a Seagate backup usb drive FreeAgent Go for Kubuntu
[19:15] <n6vkz4jesus> After loading it , It went write protect ????
[19:15] <plut0nash> ahh
[19:15] <plut0nash> yeah
[19:15] <plut0nash> ok
[19:16] <n6vkz4jesus> After loading it , It went write protect ????
[19:16] <n6vkz4jesus> Even after setting it as the HD1 primary boot I still have the trouble.
[19:16] <n6vkz4jesus> The first drive SATA Seagate also with Vista is not able to independent boot with out the usb drive plugin
[19:16] <n6vkz4jesus> The Grub is not on the drive with Kubuntu FreeAgent drive.
[19:16] <n6vkz4jesus> Some how it's on Vista drive and can not any longer boot independent
[19:16] <n6vkz4jesus> How dow I get Grub off Vista and what is the file name and it seem to be a hidden file name
[19:16] <n6vkz4jesus> What a mess I have made
[19:16] <RuyalarPrensi> ping me plz
[19:17] <n6vkz4jesus> dwiddmann are you able to help
[19:18] <austin_> Could someone please tell me how to bring up the graphics card installer thing that is usually on the toolbar?
[19:18] <RuyalarPrensi> ping send me plssss
[19:18] <dwidmann_> n6vkz4jesus: the grub may not be on that drive, but grub probably wrote to the MBR of that drive, which would explain it not booting without that drive.
[19:18] <dwidmann_> n6vkz4jesus: the fix should be to install grub to the MBR of the main drive.
[19:19] <n6vkz4jesus> I tried that already but still has it on the other drive
[19:19] <dwidmann_> austin_: I think it's in System -> Hardware Drivers Manager maybe
[19:20] <n6vkz4jesus> I did a whole new install of K....
[19:20] <austin_> Thanks, that's it. I feel like an idiot. :( Hopefully once I enable  that, I can use the ATI control center.
[19:20] <austin_> Darn, I can't. I really need that to work so I can turn up my brightness,gamma and contrast.
[19:21] <dwidmann_> n6vkz4jesus: Well, there's no easy way to remove it from the externals drive ... and to install it to the internals drive you'll need to boot a live cd, then pull up konsole, then run "grub", "root (hd0,0)" (or whichever partition contains your /boot folder), then "setup (hd0)" assuming you want to install it to hd0's MBR.
[19:21] <austin_> Maybe I need to reboot first or something.
[19:21] <plut0nash> dwidmann_:
[19:21] <nith3> Hello is there anybody who can help me with Kubuntu?
[19:21] <plut0nash> no such luck
[19:21] <plut0nash> with the evdev driver
[19:21] <plut0nash> it's still locking up
[19:21] <austin_> Be right back, going to go reboot.
[19:21] <plut0nash> i'm going to check bios settings
[19:22] <dwidmann_> fglrx-control-envy - Control panel for the ATI graphics accelerators
[19:22] <nith3> Plz
[19:22] <dwidmann_> plut0nash: kay ... shame that the experiment failed :(
[19:22] <plut0nash> eheh
[19:22] <plut0nash> its ok
[19:22] <plut0nash> i see posts all over
[19:22] <dwidmann_> nith3: just ask your question.
[19:22] <plut0nash> saying legacy USB support is an issue
[19:22] <plut0nash> so
[19:22] <plut0nash> :/
[19:22] <plut0nash> yeah
[19:22] <nith3> Nice thx
[19:22] <plut0nash> i have to see if i lilo will see the kb if i disable legacy support
[19:23] <dwidmann_> plut0nash: problem being the keyboard and mouse tend to be legacy usb devices
[19:23] <plut0nash> yip
[19:23] <plut0nash> well
[19:23] <nith3> I have a problem with the adept manager
[19:23] <plut0nash> like i said
[19:23] <plut0nash> i'll see
[19:23] <plut0nash> :P
[19:23] <n6vkz4jesus> This may true HD1,1 2nd drive is the one I want it on and not the primary one
[19:23] <plut0nash> if it works
[19:23] <plut0nash> it works
[19:23] <austin_> Do I bring that up in the um.
[19:23] <austin_> Terminal?
[19:23] <dwidmann_> nith3: details please
[19:23] <nith3> It says another application is in action
[19:23] <dwidmann_> austin_: "sudo apt-get install fglrx-control-envy" should work, in konsole
[19:23] <n6vkz4jesus> the usb drive is where want the K on
[19:24] <n6vkz4jesus> and the boot
[19:24] <dwidmann_> austin_: afterwards it may or may not add it to your menu, but you'd probably be able to launch it with a command with a similar name to that
[19:24] <RuyalarPrensi> dwidmann_: ping for thanx ;)
[19:24] <austin_> Thank you, I just started using Linux afew days ago, but it already seems like the Linux community is far more helpful than windows.
[19:24] <dwidmann_> n6vkz4jesus: ahh, I see.
[19:24] <nith3> when I try to remove or add a program it says the database i busy
[19:25] <dwidmann_> n6vkz4jesus: with regards to grub the procedure should be the same though.
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[19:25] <dwidmann_> nith3: do you have another program accessing it (like another instance of apt-get, aptitude, dselect, dpkg, adept, synaptic, etc)
[19:25] <n6vkz4jesus> why does it go in write protect on the usb drive that has K ?
[19:26] <jussi01> !tab | nith3
[19:26] <austin_> Okay, I think it's done. What would I type in to open it?
[19:26] <nith3> I tried to run JAVA 6 but it would not install it
[19:26] <dwidmann_> austin_: I would try typing "fglrx" and then pressing tab to see if it autocompletes to something
[19:26] <n6vkz4jesus> I use the Live K... CD to install this all
[19:27] <dwidmann_> nith3: depending on the version of kubuntu, installing that can be troublesome, because it requires you to okay something with regards to the license for it (ie: you have to agree to it, but you may or may not get a message telling you to, depending on the version of kubuntu)
[19:28] <austin_> Be right back.
[19:28] <dwidmann_> n6vkz4jesus: dunno ... are you sure that the filesystems aren't just being mounted read only?
[19:29] <nith3> dwidmann_ i found out, but it seems that it made some trouble so i can't upgrade now... 7.04
[19:29] <n6vkz4jesus> that is not normal because when I do it on a PIII chat on currently the install to the sysem went fine but the P4 remote usb drive is the one with the trouble
[19:29] <dwidmann_> nith3: what sort of trouble?
[19:30] <dwidmann_> !aptfix | nith3
[19:30] <dwidmann_> that may help
[19:31] <n6vkz4jesus> Where is grub on the Vista machine so I can allow it to boot narmal as before
[19:31] <nith3> ub okay, call me a noob :) i just installed Kubuntu... So what is a terminal ;)
[19:31] <axel> Hello! I got some serious trouble with Kontact. The most "harmful" one is the loss of E-Mails while syncing the local e-mails with the e-mails stored on the SMTP-Server. In such one incident E-Mails of several months were lost. Can someone tell me what the reason is and how to avoid it?
[19:31] <n6vkz4jesus> normal as before
[19:32] <nith3> ubottu: ;)
[19:32] <dwidmann_> n6vkz4jesus: if you want to restore the mbr to let vista boot directly instead of being chainloaded by grub, you probalby need to use the vista cd to do a recovery, if that's what you mean
[19:33] <axel> nith3: a terminal is a command-line. In Windows-terms: DOS-Box or promt
[19:33] <n6vkz4jesus> yes any way with out the recover to find Grub or did it imbed the MBR
[19:33] <nith3> axel: ahh, so the commando prompt or what?
[19:34] <axel> nith3: something very similar. Yes.
[19:34] <nith3> I got it, thx
[19:34] <austin_> Aww damn. :( Even with the Control Center it only increases Gamma..
[19:34] <dwidmann_> axel: I don't know what the reason is or how to avoid it, but I do know you need to be filing some bug reports on https://bugs.launchpad.net and http://bugs.kde.org
[19:34] <nith3> everyone
[19:34] <austin_> WHy can't I find anything that will increase gamma,brightness, and contrast?
[19:35] <dwidmann_> austin_: try going to systemsettings (or kcontrol) and going to the "monitor and display" module
[19:36] <n6vkz4jesus> dwidmann Where is Grub mbr on Vista, or simple to do recovery instead
[19:37] <austin_> Nope, it's still only gamma. :(
[19:37] <dwidmann_> n6vkz4jesus: the MBR is the master boot record, IIRC this is the very first sector on the hard disk.
[19:39] <axel> dwidmann_: As it happened with several IMAP-Servers I thought some would have had the same experiences than me. THe problem is that I can not give the concrete context the bug occures.
[19:39] <n6vkz4jesus> dwidmann_ ahhhhh so no way to take off or find the file
[19:40] <dwidmann_> axel: then give the vague one? I've made it a point to avoid kmail + IMAP ... just doesn't seem like it works spectacularly in general.
[19:42] <axel> dwidmann_: In My Opinion it would be the perfect solution for KDE as it is highly integrated in KDE3 an will be even more integrated in KDE4. Basically Kontact is OK, but just some bugs are really annoying.
[19:43] <dwidmann_> axel: I agree and like the integration, but seeing as it was slow and seemedly buggy I looked for other alternatives after switching to IMAP.
[19:44] <axel> dwidmann_: What would be the alternative: Thunderbird lacks of proper calendar functions, Evolution is the GNOME way (on a KDE-mashine I try to choose the KDE-apps if somehow possible), and OpenOffice.org 3.0 with its PIM hasn't been released jet.
[19:45] <dwidmann_> axel: first thing I looked at was mailody, but it was buggy and not complete enough yet, I'd like to see it in the future. I've settled for Thunderbird for now ... I've never been one to use calendar functions  though, but assides from that it seems to handle things fine. I haven't had any trouble yet.
[19:46] <axel> dwidmann_: It seems that bug reports are the best thing I can do so far. I hoped there was a better solution.
[19:46] <axel> dwidmann_: Thunderbird would be the first choice but I need the calendar functionality.
[19:47] <austin_> Do any of you guys know of a program I can get that will allow me to change more than just gamma? The default Kubuntu programs only allow Gamma, same with the Catalyst control center. :(
[19:48] <axel> dwidmann_: Thanks for the conversation. I'll leave and hack some bug reports.
[19:48] <jussi01> austin_: what are you trying to change?
[19:48] <jussi01> austin_: specifically?
[19:48] <austin_> Basically Contrast,Brightness, and Gamma.
[19:48] <dwidmann_> it can probably be altered manually with the xorg.conf, though that's probably a touch more complicated
[19:49] <dwidmann_> hmm, I'm not seeing contrast in the xorg.conf man page though, bummer
[19:49] <austin_> I have a dark monitor, but I cannot afford to buy another one. So when I used windows I just used the control center for my video card. But, it's not the same on Linux. :(
[19:49] <austin_> I think Brightness and gamma would work..I think. But just gamma alone isn't enough since it really messes up colors and so on.
[19:51] <n6vkz4jesus> dwidmann I will try to recovery and set usb drive to HD1,1 K... drive and keep the othe independent with MBR on usb drive
[19:52] <n6vkz4jesus> I never had the K .... to go write protect till I tried this new P4
[19:55] <n6vkz4jesus> dwidmann_ thank you for the help today, I will let you know the results
[19:56] <dwidmann_> kay then
[19:57] <austin_> Think if I posted on some forums someone might know of a program I could get?
[19:59] <f00f> austin_: program for what?
[19:59] <farchord> man virtualbox rocks, it does about the same thing as vmware in OSX, works in seamless mode :D
[20:00] <f00f> farchord: virtualbox is the FOSS one right?
[20:00] <farchord> FOSS?
[20:00] <f00f> Free Open Source (Software)
[20:00] <farchord> yeah
[20:00] <austin_> Program for increasing brightness,gamma and contrast. All I can find on Kubuntu so far is for gamma.
[20:01] <f00f> austin_: hmm.. you can't do that on your monitor's panel?
[20:02] <austin_> It doesn't get bright enough.
[20:02] <austin_> This monitor is kind of messed up, but I can't afford to buy a new one.
[20:02] <austin_> When I used windows, I'd use programs to make it brighter.
[20:03] <f00f> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-149539.html <-- there's a post by jjordan that might help you
[20:03] <simon> hey guys
[20:03] <jussi01> hi simon
[20:03] <austin_> Thank you, but sadly I have a crt.. :(
[20:04] <jussi01> austin_: have a look into the powermanagement stuff - I know laptops can adjust brightness
[20:04] <austin_> I'm using a desktop.
[20:05] <simon> grrr... what problems could there be that my monitor won't let me change the 640x480 resolution?
[20:06] <jussi01> austin_: I understand that - but I dont see a reason why it shouldnt work fr a desktop as well as a laptop
[20:06] <jussi01> simon: which gfx card you have?
[20:06] <jussi01> !fixres | simon
[20:07] <simon> i've got an ATI Radeon
[20:07] <simon> the strange thing is
[20:07] <austin_> Just gives me the option to turn the monitor off after a certain amount of time.
[20:07] <jussi01> !ati | simon
[20:08] <jussi01> simon: that guide is for 9500 and newer iirc
[20:08] <simon> it worked after i install kubuntu (hardy kde3 btw) and i didn't change the drivers, but after first reboot it wouldn't let me change to a higher res
[20:09] <simon> if i change to the restricted drivers via the restricted drivers manager it will let me change res, but only 640x480 or less
[20:22] <azzco> I can't install libqt4-dev (trying to compile something), it breaks..
[20:22] <rootsnatch> how does it break?
[20:23] <afeijo> hi, I installed Freeciv thru adept, how can I find his folder?
[20:24] <azzco> rootsnatch: dunno adept just says it breaks when I mark it for install
[20:24] <afeijo> I try konsole find command
[20:25] <azzco> Oh apt-get gave more info..
[20:26] <azzco> But it shouldn't break? o.O It's just that it depends on some other packages that has a too high version..
[20:29] <dekans> maybe all the upgraded package have not benn oploaded on repos yet
[20:29] <crs> re
[20:30] <crs> Ok, it is time to move kubuntu to fastest hard drive. ;-)
[20:30] <crs> replace gentoo. ;p
[20:33] <simi> hi, i belive i found a bug, i changed my time zone and now i get this error :sudo: timestamp too far in the future: May 23 05:15:45 2008, i need a way to reset the sudo actions to not check the last time it was used
[20:33] <simi> or maybe is not the probem?
[20:34] <simi> i wil try to restart, hope it will work, pease answer after i will rejoin
[20:34] <genii> simi: Without sudo action is difficult to set. I'd just wait til the time your files were created passes
[20:37] <austin> Have any of you guys used "gddccontrol" before?
[20:38] <squirrel_> Hi guys, I hope this IRC is a bit slower and not like the running matrix code (#ubuntu)
[20:39] <austin> Hello,Mr.Anderson.
[20:40] <vlt> Hello. How can I add a cover image to a video file in Amarok?
[20:41] <crs> Hmm, why there is no wheel group by default in kubuntu? ;-)
[20:42] <rootsnatch> vlt I don't think it is possible
[20:43] <squirrel_> Does anybody know when TOMCAT 6 get packaged for 8.04 SERVER? I installed it manually but now TOMCAT 6 runs with root privileges and I really don't like that...
[20:43] <gekkoo> i want to use my s-video out port to connect my laptop with a tv...has anybody got it working?
[20:43] <simi> restart worked :-)
[20:44] <vlt> rootsnatch: Ok, thank you.
[20:44] <rootsnatch> vlt: I am not sure so keep googling, but I don't think so
[20:44] <vlt> rootsnatch: I need it now or never ;)
[20:46] <Steve-cal> Can someone just quickly clarify for me what is the kubuntu "alternate" LiveCD and the "desktop" CD?
[20:46] <rootsnatch> the alternative is just the text based installer
[20:46] <Strick^9> Hmmm anyone know where the 'Breezy' updates disappeared to?
[20:46] <rootsnatch> the desktop includes a graphical live cd as well as graphical installer
[20:47] <genii> Strick^9: No longer supported and went past End Of Life support
[20:47] <athlon1> Hallo. I use kdetv for watching TV, but i'm trying to record. But unable with mythtv. So trying with freevo. But also with problems. Anyone uses freevo? What do i have to do to record?
[20:47] <Steve-cal> rootsnatch: OK, thanks much. :)
[20:48] <Strick^9> genii: TY .... which alternatives would be best?
[20:51] <malik^^^> hi all
[20:52] <malik^^^> can any one let me know the correct tutorial of installing nvidia drivers on kubuntu 8,04
[20:53] <squirrel_> I have this: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/10/27/how-to-install-nvidia-video-card-drivers-in-debian-lenny/
[20:53] <Strick^9> malik^^^: I was able to use Apps, System, Hardware Drivers Manager .... in Ubuntu
[20:54] <malik^^^> i tried that and it isntalled the drivers but asked for a reboot and when rebooted it waits for ever at running bootup scripts rc.local
[20:56] <genii> Strick^9: I'd suggest Gutsy (7.10) or Hardy (8.04)
[20:57] <Strick^9> genii: TY ... I think I'll try Hardy as I'm running ubuntu 8.04 with KDE added after the fact ...
[21:00] <austin> Hey.
[21:00] <austin> Do you know what codec I need to listen to radio stations on amarok?
[21:01] <austin> It says no available decoder or something.
[21:06] <crs> Ok, at first we have to backup previous distro
[21:07] <crs> austin: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ
[21:07] <crs> austin: find there about mp3 support.
[21:14] <athlon1> Please, anyone can tell me how  can I record tv?
[21:23] <bin4ry> hi together
[21:23] <saapad> I woke up today and Eclipse started acting up all of a sudden. It won't start...is it just me?
[21:23] <bin4ry> how can one logout from kde via shell?
[21:23] <clau30> bin4ry: try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[21:23] <bascule> that will kill x too though, but it will work
[21:24] <bin4ry> clau: der window manager soll aktiv bleiben
[21:24] <bin4ry> clau: the window manager should stay active
[21:24] <clau30> you mean X?
[21:24] <bin4ry> x as well as kdm shall stay active
[21:24] <clau30> hmm..
[21:24] <clau30> dunno then :)
[21:26] <ForgeAus> why not just use logout ?
[21:26] <ForgeAus> the command logout ?
[21:26] <ForgeAus> wouldn't that log out kde/kdm too ?
[21:27] <ForgeAus> or is the shell login an independant  process? (assuming your not using the shell via konsole or some such app)
[21:27] <blekos> hi kubuntu does not automount my ntfs drives despite the fact that i have enabled the automount option
[21:28] <blekos> when i click on moun i get a message "system policy prevents.." and asks for psswd
[21:28] <blekos> after i enter the psswd drive(s) are connected ok
[21:32] <etretyak> blekos: whey should automount if you have them in your /etc/fstab
[21:40] <artur__> Hi folks, i have 2 computers, one running de linux ( that will be the server - 2 LAN cards eth0 and eth1) and the other with the MS Win. The one with Linux will receives the internet (will be connected with a cable modem) the other Eth will be connected to another pc (MS Win) with cross-over cable. What should i do to make the other PC access the internet the 'arrives' in the PC (server) running Linux?
[21:41] <clau30> artur__: iptables is your friend :)
[21:41] <clau30> although not that trivial to configure
[21:42] <athlon1> artur, and configure a proxy (squid?).
[21:45] <artur__> =/ oic!
[21:46] <clau30> artur__: try googleing..
[21:48] <artur__> clau30: i will!  Thanks v much!
[21:48] <clau30> no probs & good luc
[21:48] <clau30> k
[21:51] <crs> is there any way to make output of apt-* more readable?
[21:52] <clau30> crs: what do you mean more readable... it is quite readable imho
[21:52] <leftbas> i agree
[21:52] <clau30> use aptitude/adept :)
[21:53] <leftbas> better than make
[21:56] <crs> I mean more colorful and stuff, like paludis or emerge has a brilliant output, showing dependencies trees and stuff
[21:57] <leftbas> afaik, there are no options to change the color of the output
[21:58] <clau30> well apt is not emerge..
[21:59] <leftbas> yeah, but you don't have to wait a package to compile, either
[21:59] <leftbas> so it's a trade-off, i guess
[21:59] <crs> i know, but long list of dependencies is highly unreadable for me. ;/
[22:00] <crs> leftbas: I know. Im not saying about way it works, but output readibility :)
[22:01] <leftbas> crs: gotcha
[22:01] <clau30> crs: maybe use aptitude?
[22:01] <clau30> it actually shows a nice list of dependencies
[22:01] <leftbas> clau30: is that the gtk one?
[22:01] <crs> thats a thing, i prefere to use cmdline one...
[22:01] <clau30> no, console based
[22:02] <crs> oo...
[22:02] <clau30> aptitude is ncurses
[22:02] <clau30> :)
[22:02] <leftbas> oh, it's it's a full screen command-like interface
[22:02] <leftbas> neat-o
[22:02] <leftbas> lol
[22:02] <leftbas> like pine or lynx
[22:02] <clau30> it's actually very cool, a little hard to get used at first, but good at the end
[22:03] <clau30> yea sort of :)
[22:03] <farchord> maaan I wonder, should I take out a small loan to buy a laptop....
[22:03] <farchord> I'm thinking of getting me a Dell
[22:03] <leftbas> you can get good ones for about $500
[22:03] <leftbas> certainly models that'll run linux
[22:03] <farchord> leftbas: Actually the one I was aiming for is about 1200$
[22:04] <leftbas> farchord: that's a bit more - lol
[22:04] <clau30> farchord: do you really need one? can you pay the money back w/o huge .. taxes (or however it's called)
[22:04] <farchord> clau30: interest? well 1200$ is (According to their site) about $32 a month
[22:04] <farchord> altho I'd probably pay closer to 70-100$ myself
[22:04] <leftbas> hey, aptitude is mouse-aware, too...nifty ;)
[22:04] <clau30> that sucks
[22:04] <farchord> considering I can pay it in advance and the faster it is, the best it is
[22:05] <clau30> better put some money aside and then buy one
[22:05] <leftbas> i'm lucky, i "inherited" a nice hp nx9020 from my company ;)
[22:05] <farchord> yeah I'm just really itchin' for one
[22:05] <clau30> leftbas: lol
[22:06] <crs> Hmm, I hate flash. I really do!
[22:06] <crs> It is not working again. ;/
[22:07] <Armagguedes> i have no probs with flash
[22:07] <crs> lucky you :)
[22:07] <Armagguedes> but then again i installed the stuff that's on the Medibuntu's repos
[22:07] <crs> Medibuntu?
[22:07] <Armagguedes> instead of that gnash crap
[22:07] <Armagguedes> yes
[22:07] <Armagguedes> look it up
[22:07] <Armagguedes> very useful
[22:07] <Armagguedes> it's the only 3rd party repository worth having
[22:07] <crs> Armagguedes: Where can i find more info?
[22:07] <Armagguedes> www.medibuntu.com methinks
[22:07] <leftbas> flash works really well for me with firefox, about 90% with konqy
[22:08] <crs> leftbas: konqy here.
[22:08] <Armagguedes> yeah flash in konqueror "works"
[22:08] <clau30> Armagguedes: a little hard to call it "gnash crap".. you have to admire what they're doing
[22:08] <Armagguedes> i didn't say i didn't admire it
[22:08] <leftbas> Armagguedes: it does on my machine at home
[22:08] <navetz> can someone please help me. I have a LAMP server installed but I cannot access localhost when I am offline (I can when I am offline). Can someone please help me fix this
[22:08] <Armagguedes> i could use it, when it works
[22:08] <farchord> leftbas: I had a problem where a flash video would crash firefox (youtube for example) but I think I fixed it
[22:09] <leftbas> farchord: if you're using a version of ubuntu other than the x86 version, it's a tough nut to crack
[22:09] <clau30> navetz: hmm
[22:09] <leftbas> farchord: it never worked for me with the amd version of kubuntu, for instance
[22:09] <clau30> navetz: how do you try to access it?
[22:10] <Armagguedes> actually i think that flash has loads of problems with 64bit processors
[22:10] <navetz> clau30: i have tried 127.0.0.1 and http://localhost
[22:10] <farchord> leftbas: maybe you should try to download the x86 firefox? Just a thought?
[22:10] <clau30> navetz: funny.. that should work regardless if you are online or not
[22:10] <leftbas> farchord: i would if i still had that version on my hard drive. i gave it up and went back to the x86 version
[22:10] <farchord> ahh
[22:11] <navetz> clau30: yea I know, its actually really annoying
[22:11] <leftbas> farchord: besides, i like konqy better, and there was too much tweaking to do
[22:11] <clau30> navetz: I would actually need more detail on that but don't really know what :)
[22:11] <farchord> leftbas: I find konqueror buggy and screws up websites
[22:12] <navetz> clau30: I tried a lot of things, even purging apache and reinstalling it but that didn't work.
[22:12] <leftbas> farchord: it's pretty consistently good for me, but there are sites that don't load right. there are sites, though, that konqy will open that ff won't. pretty weird
[22:12] <crs> Armagguedes: but medibuntu doesn't contain flash as I can see now. ;/
[22:13] <farchord> leftbas: yeah.... idk right now I have a pretty comfortable setup.... Kubuntu with most of the apps that I want and need and works, and Virtualbox with XP working in seamless mode for the rest
[22:13] <Armagguedes> not the site itself
[22:13] <Armagguedes> they package Adobe's for ubuntu
[22:13] <farchord> leftbas: that and I play Linux in WoW ;) heard that AoC will also work in Wine :D
[22:13] <Armagguedes> the most recent version too
[22:13] <clau30> navetz: have you tried pinging 127.0.0.1 when offline?
[22:13] <farchord> leftbas: errr wow in linux
[22:13] <leftbas> farchord: good going. i'm lucky that i don't need windows anymore. i just got my treo 680 to sync to kontact
[22:14] <leftbas> farchord: what's wow?
[22:14] <farchord> leftbas: yeah im not as lucky with my ipod touch, linux is detecting it as a digital camera <.< World of Warcraft
[22:14] <trypsin> leftbas: I think he's referring to World of Warcraft.
[22:14] <farchord> leftbas: If you don't know world of warcraft, you must be living under a rock
[22:14] <leftbas> farchord: oh! i love that episode of southpark
[22:14] <farchord> lawl
[22:14] <leftbas> just didn't know it by its initials :p
[22:14] <trypsin> Suuure. :P
[22:15] <navetz> clau30: yes and it works
[22:15] <navetz> clau30: however i cannot view it through any browser
[22:15] <leftbas> farchord: there are still a couple of quirks with my treo, but it's managable. it's the first time i've ever gotten it to work at all
[22:15] <clau30> navetz: is the port open?
[22:15] <farchord> leftbas: fact is, WoW is a Windows game. And in OGL mode, it runs faster than in Windows for me
[22:15] <leftbas> farchord: nice
[22:15] <navetz> clau30: what port? I am not sure what you mean.
[22:16] <farchord> leftbas: altho, granted, my Windows is Windows Vista :P
[22:16] <leftbas> farchord: eek!
[22:16] <leftbas> lol
[22:16] <clau30> navetz: well normally port 80 should be open
[22:16] <clau30> navetz: "normally" for apache
[22:16] <navetz> clau30: how can I check?
[22:17] <clau30> navetz: good question :D
[22:17] <leftbas> that's a great question...how do you get a list of all the udp ports and their states?
[22:17] <crs> netstat?
[22:17] <simi> hi, i am new to kubuntu, i was using ubuntu, i do not understend why konversation and pidgin start automaticaly when i log in?
[22:18] <clau30> navetz: google is a good friend :) http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/security-guide/s1-server-ports.html
[22:18] <crs> simi: session saving.
[22:18] <simi> where can i change the atart up applications?
[22:18] <crs> flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version.
[22:18] <crs> and is still not working ;/
[22:18] <leftbas> you have to set them indiviually
[22:19] <simi> crs: i killed the apps before restarting
[22:19] <simi> where can i find the sesion manager>
[22:19] <simi> ?
[22:19] <crs> kcontrol
[22:19] <crs> simi: ^^
[22:20] <crs> or in menu, cos i think has been changed.
[22:20] <crs> System settings
[22:20] <leftbas> simi: do you mean the services manager?
[22:20] <navetz> clau30:  thanks I am trying it out right now
[22:21] <simi> leftbas: no i mean the applet that manage the sesion and the  programs that start at log in
[22:21] <crs> damn flash ;/
[22:21] <ObsidianX> hey folks, for some reason whenever i login it switches my resolution down to 640x480
[22:22] <ObsidianX> i can xrandr it back up to 1280x800 but then all my apps are loaded at the wrong resolution and it looks all messed up
[22:22] <navetz> clau30: yes the ports are open now, let me see if they will be when I turn off my internet
[22:22] <clau30> navetz: ok, look :)
[22:23] <leftbas> simi: sounds like the system services, which is in the control center
[22:23] <leftbas> simi: sorry, system settings
[22:30] <crs> ok, i have installed gnash, works fine, but w/o sound ;/
[22:30] <crs> ok, doesnt work fine ;/
[22:31] <trypsin> Alright, I'm in need of a little help. I've installed Ubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04 on my laptop. I'm not particularly fond of GNOME, though and want to go to KDE.
[22:31] <trypsin> Unfortunately, I've got a lot of data and a few programs I'm attached to in this system.
[22:32] <trypsin> So, is there a way to remove GNOME and install KDE some way short of a fresh install?
[22:33] <clau30> trypsin: you can start by removing gnome-desktop-environment
[22:33] <crs> Ok, once again. What should i install to get flash working?
[22:34] <clau30> although I dunno if it's only a metapackage
[22:34] <kuroryuu> trypsin: install kubuntu-desktop to get the basic kde stuff
[22:34] <clau30> crs: set your browser to use flash-nonfree
[22:34] <trypsin> Aye, I know that, kuroryuu. I don't want to be stuck with both GNOME and KDE, though. The combined updates will be murder.
[22:36] <trypsin> So simply installing kubuntu-desktop and removing gnome-desktop-environment will do the trick?
[22:36] <clau30> I dunno if it's only a metapackage
[22:36] <clau30> maybe the #ubuntu guys know how to remove gnome :D
[22:37] <crs> It is only metapackage, he has to do apt-get autoremove as well
[22:37] <kuroryuu> trypsin: try removing libgnome-2.0, that should remove most gnome packages
[22:38] <trypsin> OK, I'll ask them. On a related note, would Remastersys be a wise choice for backing up my present system?
[22:38] <trypsin> Thanks, kuroryuu. I'll try that.
[22:40] <kuroryuu> trypsin: sorry, libgnome2-0
[22:40] <uga> kuroryuu: find / -name g* -exec rm -rf {} \;
[22:40] <uga> dont' forget sudoing it ;)
[22:41] <trypsin> Oh, lovely. :P
[22:42] <kuroryuu> uga: I don't think that would solve the problem, lol
[22:42] <clau30> uga: g* ??
[22:43] <uga> clau30: yups, die g* die ;)
[22:43] <uga> actually that should have been 'g*'
[22:43] <clau30> hehe
[22:43] <clau30> die g*ome :)
[22:45] <crs> Hmm, what options kubuntu installer uses to make reiserfs partition?
[22:46] <uga> crs: you mean sector size etc?
[22:46] <crs> uga: exactly. I have install my kubuntu now and want to move it to other disc. Want to have exactly the same partition. ;-)
[22:47] <crs> uga: I can just run mkfs.reiserfs, but... :)
[22:47] <uga> crs: I really don't know but you should be able to check what partition it created before
[22:48] <crs> uga: Do you know how?
[22:48] <dare> ﻿what is like /home/user/.themes in kde? kubuntu? ﻿﻿/home/user/.themes is folder where are GTK themes
[22:48] <dare> in gnome
[22:49] <uga> crs: I was trying to figure out myself. reiserfsck doesn't seem to do that. MAybe it will display the params when it checks
[22:49] <uga> crs: but Id' suggest you do that with the partition umounted
[22:49] <crs> uga: Why? what is the difference?
[22:49] <fenix> hi
[22:50] <fenix> sombody help me?
[22:50] <kuroryuu> fenix: what's the problem?
[22:50] <uga> crs: it's not suggested doing file system checks when the partition can be writing and reading
[22:50] <clau30> dare: I guess /usr/share/apps/kthememanager/themes
[22:50] <fenix> how to install a webcan of the laptop HP dv2625la in kubuntu8
[22:51] <dru> whats a rar tool for kubuntu
[22:51] <uga> dru: apt-get install unrar
[22:51] <dru> thanks
[22:51] <uga> it'll only extract them
[22:51] <kuroryuu> dru: sudo apt-get install rar unrar
[22:51] <dru> thats better thanks
[22:51] <jhutchins_wk> !webcam | fenix
[22:52] <Ukonpoika> Hi all. Having a problem with Noatun and Juk, neither will start. Konsole doesn't say _anything_ while trying to start from there, and reinstalling doesn't help either. I recently installed the Octoshape plugin from http://www.octoshape.com/plugin/linux.asp, the problems appeared after that, but I can't be sure of any connection between that and the problem. Help, anyone? :)
[22:52] <crs> uga: Oh, you meant checking.. Ok, i have done it already. ;-) Now, how to copy running system?
[22:52] <fenix> my webcam i know not is suported
[22:52] <dare> ﻿clau30: thanks thats it
[22:53] <uga> crs: I mean, when doing the filesystem check, possibly it will show the parameters at the beginning
[22:53] <uga> blocksize etd
[22:53] <uga> etc
[22:53] <crs> uga: yes, thanks. ;-)
[22:54] <uga> crs: if the disks were both same size, maybe you could just dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb?
[22:54] <uga> but I'm guessing not
[22:54] <clau30> dare: cool :)
[22:54] <crs> uga: no, they are not.
[22:54] <crs> uga: will cp -a do the job?
[22:55] <uga> crs: uhm... maybe, but not sure. Whenever I needed serious backups I used tarballs
[22:55] <crs> uga: yeah, but it is not a backup :)
[22:55] <uga> crs: it somewhat is
[22:55] <uga> since you need to keep timestamps etc
[22:56] <uga> also links and symlinks
[22:56] <crs> uga: yeah, would be lovely to have it... ;/
[23:01] <leftbas> anyone home?
[23:02] <SlimeyPete> nah
[23:02] <leftbas> lol
[23:02] <leftbas> lots of folks in here not saying much
[23:03] <leftbas> do you know anything about kpilot, pete?
[23:03] <clau30> :d
[23:03] <SlimeyPete> sorry, no
[23:03] <leftbas> hey clau30
[23:03] <leftbas> thanks anyway
[23:03] <clau30> sry, wrong window leftbas
[23:03] <leftbas> been trying to get a question answered today on several channels, and no one seems to know
[23:04] <leftbas> clau30: i tried #kpilot, but no one in there is talking
[23:04] <clau30> yea I can imagine..
[23:04] <leftbas> clau30: oh, i don't think i knew what you mean till just now. no worries
[23:04] <clau30> haha
[23:04] <azzco> leftbas: tried #kde ? I think that there's a kde-pim channel aswell..
[23:05] <leftbas> azzco: i haven't, but i will. thanks
[23:05] <azzco> I'm getting utterly ignored in ubuntu and even in my native language channel =/
[23:05] <azzco> Anyone used pulseaudio and recordmydesktop and got it working?
[23:05] <leftbas> it's a quiet day all around, isn't it?
[23:05] <leftbas> azzco: never tried
[23:05] <leftbas> sorry
[23:07] <clau30> azzco: I did but I won't tell you :P
[23:07] <tabris> :O
[23:08] <leftbas> lol
[23:08]  * azzco goes and bangs head into wall
[23:08] <leftbas> azzco: that should clear your head right up ;)
[23:08] <Israphel> :O
[23:08] <duane> if I want to scan a book with linux what would be the best app ? I used abby finereader in windows and it was nice cause you do a page and then it have option to do next page and keep compiling it into a pdf wondering if there was a linux app can do same
[23:09] <Israphel> i need help with the Atheros wireless card
[23:09] <leftbas> duane: kooka should do the trick
[23:10] <izzyb> Is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-17-xen the correct package to get the nvidia kernel module?
[23:10] <Israphel> apt-get instal envyng-core for the nvidia driver
[23:10] <nosrednaekim> noooo
[23:10] <duane> thanks leftbas
[23:10] <leftbas> duane: yw
[23:11] <dwidmann> Is there any program around with a CD printing template? (My printer lets me print to CDs/DVDs, but without a usable template for printing with I can't really do it)
[23:11] <izzyb> Israphel, nope, didn't fix my probllem :(
[23:11] <leftbas> never tried
[23:11] <leftbas> cd printing, that is
[23:12] <adude> i need a program to record the line in.
[23:12] <viperserv1> anyone good with gnome here?
[23:12] <leftbas> try audacity
[23:12] <adude> ok
[23:12] <dwidmann> viperserv1: plenty of people good with gnome in #ubuntu I'm sure
[23:12] <leftbas> i would try #ubuntu, viper
[23:13] <viperserv1> what is the diff between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[23:13] <leftbas> adude: audacity is quite a nice cross-platform multi-track recorder
[23:13] <leftbas> ubuntu uses gnome by default
[23:13] <dwidmann> viperserv1: kubuntu uses KDE
[23:13] <leftbas> kubuntu uses kde
[23:13] <leftbas> oops
[23:13] <Israphel> izzyb, first sudo apt-get install envyng-core, then envyng -t, option 1 "install nvidia driver"
[23:16] <izzyb> Israphel, sadly that failed with an error saying the driver can't be installed with my current kernel.  it suggests pretty much every kernel except the -xen one
[23:16] <izzyb> does nvidia driver not work with the xen kernel?
[23:16] <Israphel> why dont you use the generic kernel?
[23:17] <dwidmann> izzyb: try installing manually?
[23:17] <izzyb> I have itt working in the generic kernel, but I want to run xen also on this box
[23:17] <izzyb> it was working with tthe ati radeon driver, but I had to replace the ati card because it was crashing my system
[23:17] <izzyb> not sure if it was the card or the driver, but suspect the driver
[23:18] <izzyb> dwidmann, do you have a howto?
[23:18] <izzyb> I tried manually loading the nvidiafb module, but it gives an error
[23:19] <dwidmann> izzyb: basically it amounts to download the thing from nvidia.com, install build-essential and linux-headers-`uname -r`, exit out of X and run the file ... you'll also need to add a line in /etc/defaults/linux-restricted-modules or some for file (I'll dig it up)
[23:21] <izzyb> hmm, interesting, I was going to post the error I was getting when I did a modprobe nvidiafb, but that error is now gone
[23:21] <izzyb> but still I get an error running startx
[23:21] <dwidmann> izzyb: /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common - the line is DISABLED_MODULES="nv"
[23:22] <izzyb> dwidmann, thanks, trying that now
[23:23] <jereme> anyone know if FF3RC1 is hitting the standard repositories anytime soon?
[23:23] <junezraulston> hi
[23:23] <leftbas> that was fast
[23:23] <leftbas> wb clau30
[23:24] <jereme> I'm a bit worn out on 3b5's busted form capabilities
[23:24] <clau30> thanks leftbas ;)
[23:24] <leftbas> clau30: yw
[23:26] <leftbas> i have the nv driver running with 2.6.24-16 with only one small resolution glitch on the logon screen
[23:26] <leftbas> works great other than that
[23:28] <clau30> anyone have experience with ati xpress cards?
[23:29] <leftbas> 'fraid not
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> clau30: yes! I do
[23:29] <clau30> nosrednaekim: how much does it suck? :)
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> clau30: not good ones though :) I have one
[23:29] <clau30> nosrednaekim: it's onboard on my lappy
[23:30] <nosrednaekim> clau30: they have terrible performance... a geforce4 can wipe it out...
[23:30] <clau30> nosrednaekim: well I would be happy if they's work at full potential here under linux
[23:30] <nosrednaekim> you can try intalling the ATI driver.
[23:31] <clau30> nosrednaekim: I did.. but sometimes a problem here, another time there..
[23:31] <nosrednaekim> yea.. I know...i'm running the opensource driver ATM
[23:31] <clau30> quite sick of it.. on my desktop I have an older nvidia onboard and it's waaay better
[23:31] <nosrednaekim> no 3d, but this things 3d sucks anyway
[23:31] <clau30> :)
[23:32] <clau30> maybe I should try that too..
[23:35] <clau30> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8974022075.html
[23:35] <clau30> 1,500 frkkin bucks!
[23:35] <izzyb> dwidmann, that didn't work for me either.  It can't find precompiled kernel interface that matches the kernel.  Told it to attempt a download which fails and tells me it'll need to build one, but that fails also
[23:36] <izzyb> no obvious reason why it fails.  it  points to a log, but it doesn't say anything meaningful
[23:37] <izzyb> does the nvidia driver work with a xen kernel?
[23:38] <leftbas> clau30: that's a bit pricey :O
[23:39]  * jhutchins_wk doesn't get "lappy".  It's one less letter than 'laptop', and looks a lot dumber.
[23:39] <clau30> leftbas: yea, but it's for developers anyway
[23:40] <nosrednaekim> clau30: go get a ubuntu Dell
[23:40] <leftbas> true enough
[23:40] <clau30> jhutchins_wk: haha
[23:40] <clau30> I have a dell, although not a ubuntu one
[23:41] <clau30> jhutchins_wk: "lappy" sounds sweeter
[23:42] <leftbas> kinda like the british 'telly'
[23:42] <Ashex> hey guys
[23:42]  * izzyb just discoverd that nvidia and xen are not compatabile out of the box but there is a patch.  following a howto now...
[23:42] <leftbas> or 'nappy' for diaper
[23:42] <Ashex> what's the name of the failsafe video mode on the live disc?
[23:42] <clau30> tally ho, with a bing and a bong and a buzz-buzz-buzz
[23:42] <leftbas> what the heck is the xen kernel anyway?
[23:42] <Ashex> When you startup you can select a failsafe video mode, but can't remember the name of it
[23:42] <nosrednaekim> leftbas: virtualization
[23:43] <labud> hi
[23:43] <leftbas> nosrednaekim: you mean you need a special kernel to run in a virtual machine?
[23:43] <leftbas> hi labud
[23:43] <nosrednaekim> leftbas: if you use xen, yes
[23:43] <labud> how r u
[23:43] <Ashex> anyone?
[23:43] <leftbas> which brings me back to my original question...what's xen?
[23:43] <nosrednaekim> a virtualization hypervisor
[23:43] <nosrednaekim> !xen
[23:43] <leftbas> labud: fine, and you?
[23:44] <jhutchins_wk> leftbas: Either Novell's Zero Effort Networking or a virtualization service.
[23:44] <labud> good     i am going to be installing kubuntu 8.04
[23:44] <leftbas> got it...but it's way over my head - lol
[23:44] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[23:44] <labud> onto a brand new sata ii hd   and was wondering if there might be any issues?
[23:44] <leftbas> not that i know of
[23:44] <Ashex> bugger
[23:44] <labud> good
[23:44] <Ashex> then is an easy question
[23:44] <leftbas> should be pretty straightforward
[23:45] <Ashex> !nox
[23:45] <Ashex> !noxserver
[23:45] <Ashex> !novideo > me
[23:45] <labud> i have burned the iso cd  so when i connect my new hd in i shud just boot from cd?
[23:45] <leftbas> Ashex: it should just say failsafe. i've never seen it labeled anything else
[23:46] <leftbas> labud: exactly
[23:46] <labud> gr8
[23:46] <Ashex> leftbas: hit F4 and failsafe?
[23:46] <leftbas> Ashex: that sounds about right, though i'd have to reboot the machine i'm on to confirm
[23:46] <Ashex> okay
[23:46] <Ashex> leftbas: works for me
[23:46] <Ashex> If it doesn't work for my friend, he'll have to wait until I get off work
[23:47] <leftbas> Ashex: it's more obvious when booting from the live cd, tho
[23:49] <clau30> nighty night
[23:49] <leftbas> see ya clau30
[23:50] <leftbas> getting late in europe ;)
[23:51] <labud> while i am here   the machine i am installing it on is  an Asus P5KC 3.0gHZ with Intel core 2 duo  4.0mb ram and nVidia GeForce 8500  and a Dlink nic card  with a linksys router
[23:51] <labud> see any issues there?
[23:51] <word|away> Don't get mad, i'm not using it as an away message, someone is 'borrowing' my nick so it defaulted to this one >.>
[23:51] <leftbas> labud: i see no problems with any of that gear
[23:52] <labud> ok   then i can come and c u when it blows up   lol
[23:52] <leftbas> sure...i live at 123 sesame street. i share an apartment with big bird
[23:52] <leftbas> ;)
[23:53] <leftbas> wb fadonnn
[23:53] <labud> hehe   ok
[23:53] <labud> ty leftbas
[23:53] <leftbas> labud: seriously, all those components are very mainstream, and have been shown to work with various distros
[23:53] <leftbas> labud: yw
[23:54] <labud> jk  leftbas  i thank you for your info   but am nervous  of course    have just startes with kubuntu     have 7.10  on this machine
[23:55] <labud> anyways  time to get on with it  thanks again
[23:55] <leftbas> labud: understandable, but it'll be fine. you might even consider upgrading to 8.04 yourself. it's a big improvement, imo
[23:55] <leftbas> no prob
[23:55] <leftbas> see ya