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zyx386hi00:00
zyx386why ubuntu just with gnome is LTS?00:00
zyx386:)00:02
Nafallozyx386: huh?00:02
zyx386Nafallo, !00:03
zyx386wb ALL00:06
sharmszyx386 -  Ask in #ubuntu this is the wrong channel00:09
zyx386ok sorry00:09
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ls3hi02:57
ls3one question, my laptop got wifi, but lspci shows no wifi device, whats went wrong?02:57
ls3using xubuntu here02:57
pwnguinis the kill switch on?03:02
ls3kill ?03:03
ls3how to check?03:03
pwnguinits a physical switch on the laptop03:03
ls3the wifi switch is on, the FN + F203:03
pwnguinbut this is really not the right place for a support conversation03:03
ls3oh yeah, i forgot, i should go to #ubuntu instead of #ubuntut-devel03:04
* cody-somerville wonders how many developer channels ls3 will visit in his attempt to get his question answered.03:10
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pwnguinanyone know of a more modern frontend to graphviz than dotty?07:08
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Keybuk!07:54
fabbionemorning guys07:54
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lifelesscjwatson: imp.find_module supports __path__ correctly08:47
StevenKlifeless: What do you think about bug 230294?08:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 230294 in bzr "ERROR: bzrlib.errors.KnitCorrupt: Knit <bzrlib.knit.KnitGraphIndex object at 0x86e1e2c> corrupt: attempt to add line-delta in non-delta knit" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23029408:48
lifelessI think its fixed upstream and should have a new package done for hardy08:49
StevenKlifeless: Well, I'm happy to sort out the SRU process, is it possible to have a small patch to 1.3.1?08:50
lifelessStevenK: I don't know08:50
StevenKlifeless: I'm just not sure about pushing bzr 1.4 into hardy-proposed08:51
lifelessStevenK: 1.4 is tested; 1.3.1 with a patch is not08:52
StevenKslangasek: Could you also poke at bug 230294?08:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 230294 in bzr "ERROR: bzrlib.errors.KnitCorrupt: Knit <bzrlib.knit.KnitGraphIndex object at 0x86e1e2c> corrupt: attempt to add line-delta in non-delta knit" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23029408:53
sbeattiekees: ping08:54
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mantienahi all09:05
elmoevand/hobbsee: ping?09:33
evandelmo: pong09:36
mantienaevand: hi, I've noticed your name in oem-config changelog, I've found, that there are no possibility to translate oem-config launcher (.desktop file) in translations.ubuntu.com, against which package I should report this bug ?09:41
evandmantiena: oem-config09:42
mantienaevand: thanks09:42
StevenKKeybuk: Are you aware of a bug in Hardy that sets group to 'disk' for USB keys rather than plugdev?09:42
KeybukStevenK: err?09:43
StevenKIf you say "Use Firefox 3" like you did for the schedule, I'll be cranky. :-P09:43
KeybukI'm aware of the fact that disks are in the disk subsystem like they should be09:43
Keybukand that the plugdev group is not used09:43
KeybukI wouldn't use the term "bug"09:43
KeybukI'd use the term "ding-dong, plugdev is dead"09:43
StevenKKeybuk: In Gutsy, USB key devices had a group of plugdev, which means normal users could deal with the block device. Now in Hardy, only root can.09:45
KeybukStevenK: assertion error09:46
KeybukIn gutsy, USB storage devices were in the plugdev group09:46
Keybuk"desktop" users were also in the plugdev group09:47
Keybukwhich meant that desktop users could fiddle with the disk09:47
KeybukIn hardy, USB storage devices are in the disk group09:47
Keybukand ACLs are added for users on the foreground console09:47
Keybukwhich means that users who can actually plug in USB keys can fiddle with the disk09:47
Keybukregardless of their profile09:47
mantienaevand: I've noticed line "X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=oem-config" in oem-config-prepare-gtk.desktop file, isn't this line enough to appear in translations.ubuntu.com ?09:48
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mantienacjwatson: hi09:59
mantienacjwatson: what you think about fixing bug 233949 before Ubuntu 8.04.1 LTS ?10:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 233949 in oem-config "Can't translate launcher (.desktop) file at http://translations.ubuntu.com" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23394910:00
mantienait's safe to fix bug - just add one string to translations.ubuntu.com and regenerate new language-packs :)10:01
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slangasekStevenK: poke at it how?10:04
StevenKslangasek: So, I'd like to fix it. Do you think bzr 1.4 is suitable at all, or I should beat lifeless for a patch?10:05
slangasekStevenK: if resolving requires me to make a determination of whether 1.4 is suitable, it'll miss 8.04.1; best to hang lifeless upside-down by his feet and shake out a patch10:06
* StevenK grins10:07
mjrso is ks the recommended way of doing automated installs nowadays, ie. should I just battle with that instead of preseeding?10:09
mantienamjr: sorry for disturbing, but could you tell me what is ks ?10:13
mantienaI'm also interesting in automated installs10:13
mjrkickstart, apparently there is hacked-up kickstart support in hardy10:14
mjrks has been previously used with redhat installs10:14
pwnguinis that the pxe thing?10:14
mjrpxe is just network boot10:15
mjrbut kickstart/preseeding are at their most useful with a network boto10:15
mjrboot10:15
pwnguini had set up a few servers with a disc and a kernel option10:16
pwnguinbut its not automated =(10:16
mantienamjr: maybe some info about using kickstart for automated hardy installs could be found somewhere ?10:17
mjrmantiena, in the wiki10:29
* mjr likes preseeding better but seems to be having trouble in hardy with that10:29
mjr more precise question: how do I preseed everything the installer wants; is there documentation?10:36
loolsoren: Hey, which branch of ubuntu-jeos is the one I should look at to get things in tip?  There's a trunk marked as "Mature" and an intrepid branch marked as "Development"; the later has the youngest commits10:53
sorenlool: Intrepid's the one you want.10:59
loolsoren: Could you have a look at the change in lp:~lool/ubuntu-jeos/intrepid?11:07
loolsoren: Ideally, I'd love to upload and use this now11:07
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ivokshttp://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/11:23
ivoksups... :)11:23
\shivoks: lol11:24
sivanghmm, colin watson seems not to be around11:41
sivangcjwatson: ah, actually there you are?11:41
\shhey sivang long time no see11:47
sivanghey \sh how are you doing ?11:51
\shsivang: fine :) getting older, more sarcastic, so everything is in good shape :)11:52
sivang\sh: as long as health is preserved, i guess so :)11:53
sivang\sh: do you know whom I need to contact to renew my ubuntu-dev membership ?11:54
\shsivang: motu thing? the MOTU Council (motu-council@lists.ubuntu.com)11:55
sivang\sh: ubuntu-dev is motu right, as opposed to ubuntu-dev-core which is main developers ?12:10
\shsivang: correct :)12:10
cody-somervillenot really12:11
cody-somervilleubuntu-dev is ubuntu-dev-core AND ubuntu motu12:11
\shoh damn..yes12:12
sivanghuh ?12:12
sivangwhen did this happen ?12:12
\shubuntu-dev is now all12:12
sivangaggregations of teams? :)12:12
sivangokay, so if I were approved for universe, whom do i need to contact ?12:12
cody-somervillesimira, contact to do what?12:15
simiracody-somerville: get your tab-completion right ;)12:15
cody-somervillepfft ;p12:16
cody-somervillesorry12:16
\shsivang: motu-council@lists.ubuntu.com12:16
* \sh goes and have some rest...12:17
sivang\sh: k, thanks12:18
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Hobbseeelmo: pong12:44
Hobbseeelmo: (what have i done?12:44
Hobbsee)12:44
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slangasekpitti: is the "general case" of bug #210379 an SRU target for glib2.0?13:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 210379 in glib2.0 "should not list mounts that the user doesn't have permission to use" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21037913:38
guysoft42hey all, did any of you get a bug report gksu doesnt work after hardy update?13:41
pittislangasek: I'd like it to be, at least; it's annoying and confusing13:41
guysoft42because the irony is that you can't use the update manger to update the packages.. becasue gksu doesnt work!13:41
pittislangasek: you get weird error messages popped into your face whenever someone else mounts something13:42
slangasekpitti: ok, leaving the hardy bug state alone then13:42
pittislangasek: that's why I left it open, yeah13:42
emgentheya13:44
loolnijaba: ubuntu-vm-builder is broken for me because of set -e; could you check the latest revs (well or all revs) in lp:~lool/ubuntu-jeos/intrepid?14:26
loolnijaba: TIA14:26
nijabalool: sure, thanks14:27
loolnijaba: Blah, it's really broken /usr/bin/ubuntu-vm-builder: line 565: DESTINATION: unbound variable14:33
nijabalool: this is why the branch is experimental14:33
loolSo you don't run the experimental branch, just commit to it?14:35
loolAnyway, fix pushed at same location14:35
loolActually runs debootstrap now14:35
nijabalool: yes I do, but apparently not with the same params you are, or I would have fixed it ;)14:39
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loolnijaba: Well ubuntu-vm-builder kvm hardy didn't work :)14:43
nijabalool: :/ really?14:50
loolnijaba: really!14:53
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loolHmm I can't test full UME vms, I don't have enought space in /tmp14:57
loolNow I really have to fix that using /tmp thing14:57
liwlool, $TMPDIR isn't obeyed?14:57
loolUrgh, ubuntu-vm-builder writes to a tmpfs15:20
loolliw: Actually I thought my /tmp was full, but the tmpfs in /tmp was full, it defaults to half of my memory to 1.5GB15:21
ogralool, its a script, no ? you should be able to tweak paths15:22
loolNaturally15:22
loologra: What strikes me is that it probably means you can't run the script on 512 MB machines to bootstrap ubuntu15:23
asacpitti: doko: could you give back xulrunner-1.9 for all archs in intrepid?15:23
asacpitti: doko: sorry ... nevermind.15:25
ogralool, well, adding a switch to use the disk instead should be possible i suppose15:25
ogranot sure how that affects speed then though15:25
loolWould be cool to be able to disable journal and bump the commit interval for a bind mount15:27
loolWell for a subdir rather15:28
tmmoyeris there any method (short of unplugging the network cable) of forcing the installer (using preseeding) to prefer the packages on the CD, and only to retrieve packages from somewhere other than the CD only when the CD doesn't provide the package needed? I want to create an installer that has some custom packages and prefers these to what it can get from the repository15:40
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Keybuklifeless: you know how bzr pull, push, merge, etc. have a --remember ?15:43
StevenKKeybuk: You want --forget? :-)15:44
lifelessKeybuk: yes?15:47
KeybukStevenK: yup15:47
Keybuklifeless: ^15:47
lifelessKeybuk: patches etc15:47
Keybuklifeless: write one ;)15:47
lifelessKeybuk: know where ted/mpt are?15:48
Keybuknot in here15:49
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evandmneptok: http://technalign.blogspot.com/2008/04/where-we-are-and-where-were-going.html16:49
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Foxandxsshi17:25
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scriptdevilI read somewhere in the ubuntu wiki about a site where users upload their own packages, can anybody point that site to me?18:15
\shhttp://revu.tauware.de18:20
\shor you think about LaunchPAD personal package archives...18:21
lifelesspitti: ping18:41
CarlFKhttp://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/May21/a/hardy_install_error1.png  I think it should be able to give something better than "failed for unknown reasons" - what package should I bug?19:01
ceekaydoes 7.04 have the ability to write kernel crash dumps?19:25
ceekaycan't seem to find any hard evidence of when/if something like LKCD was integrated into ubuntu19:26
lifelesspitti: bug 234101 and bug 23410519:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 234101 in gdm "Support latin locale" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23410119:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 234105 in langpack-locales "Support latin locale" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23410519:43
lifelesspitti: for your consideration :)19:43
lifelessCarlFK: ubuiquity I think offhand19:44
lifelessCarlFK: oh, sorry, alt installer -19:44
lifelessCarlFK: debian-installer is the root package19:44
CarlFKlifeless: thanks19:44
emgentheya19:58
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jharrI figured I'd poke someone in here about the gdm welcome message not being displayed in the Human theme.20:50
jharrhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/177745 - I posted a patch20:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 177745 in gdm "Login Window Preferences: custom welcome message does not take effect." [Undecided,New]20:50
emgentsomeone can active my ubuntu.com mail alias?20:53
stgraberemgent: should be done automatically after a day or so, your main e-mail on LP will be where mails for your @ubuntu.com will end up20:55
emgentstgraber: yeah, i know but alias now dont work21:02
emgenti will wait :)21:03
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