[00:00] <zyx386> hi
[00:00] <zyx386> why ubuntu just with gnome is LTS?
[00:02] <zyx386> :)
[00:02] <Nafallo> zyx386: huh?
[00:03] <zyx386> Nafallo, !
[00:06] <zyx386> wb ALL
[00:09] <sharms> zyx386 -  Ask in #ubuntu this is the wrong channel
[00:09] <zyx386> ok sorry
[02:57] <ls3> hi
[02:57] <ls3> one question, my laptop got wifi, but lspci shows no wifi device, whats went wrong?
[02:57] <ls3> using xubuntu here
[03:02] <pwnguin> is the kill switch on?
[03:03] <ls3> kill ?
[03:03] <ls3> how to check?
[03:03] <pwnguin> its a physical switch on the laptop
[03:03] <ls3> the wifi switch is on, the FN + F2
[03:03] <pwnguin> but this is really not the right place for a support conversation
[03:04] <ls3> oh yeah, i forgot, i should go to #ubuntu instead of #ubuntut-devel
[03:10]  * cody-somerville wonders how many developer channels ls3 will visit in his attempt to get his question answered.
[07:08] <pwnguin> anyone know of a more modern frontend to graphviz than dotty?
[07:54] <Keybuk> !
[07:54] <fabbione> morning guys
[08:47] <lifeless> cjwatson: imp.find_module supports __path__ correctly
[08:48] <StevenK> lifeless: What do you think about bug 230294?
[08:49] <lifeless> I think its fixed upstream and should have a new package done for hardy
[08:50] <StevenK> lifeless: Well, I'm happy to sort out the SRU process, is it possible to have a small patch to 1.3.1?
[08:50] <lifeless> StevenK: I don't know
[08:51] <StevenK> lifeless: I'm just not sure about pushing bzr 1.4 into hardy-proposed
[08:52] <lifeless> StevenK: 1.4 is tested; 1.3.1 with a patch is not
[08:53] <StevenK> slangasek: Could you also poke at bug 230294?
[08:54] <sbeattie> kees: ping
[09:05] <mantiena> hi all
[09:33] <elmo> evand/hobbsee: ping?
[09:36] <evand> elmo: pong
[09:41] <mantiena> evand: hi, I've noticed your name in oem-config changelog, I've found, that there are no possibility to translate oem-config launcher (.desktop file) in translations.ubuntu.com, against which package I should report this bug ?
[09:42] <evand> mantiena: oem-config
[09:42] <mantiena> evand: thanks
[09:42] <StevenK> Keybuk: Are you aware of a bug in Hardy that sets group to 'disk' for USB keys rather than plugdev?
[09:43] <Keybuk> StevenK: err?
[09:43] <StevenK> If you say "Use Firefox 3" like you did for the schedule, I'll be cranky. :-P
[09:43] <Keybuk> I'm aware of the fact that disks are in the disk subsystem like they should be
[09:43] <Keybuk> and that the plugdev group is not used
[09:43] <Keybuk> I wouldn't use the term "bug"
[09:43] <Keybuk> I'd use the term "ding-dong, plugdev is dead"
[09:45] <StevenK> Keybuk: In Gutsy, USB key devices had a group of plugdev, which means normal users could deal with the block device. Now in Hardy, only root can.
[09:46] <Keybuk> StevenK: assertion error
[09:46] <Keybuk> In gutsy, USB storage devices were in the plugdev group
[09:47] <Keybuk> "desktop" users were also in the plugdev group
[09:47] <Keybuk> which meant that desktop users could fiddle with the disk
[09:47] <Keybuk> In hardy, USB storage devices are in the disk group
[09:47] <Keybuk> and ACLs are added for users on the foreground console
[09:47] <Keybuk> which means that users who can actually plug in USB keys can fiddle with the disk
[09:47] <Keybuk> regardless of their profile
[09:48] <mantiena> evand: I've noticed line "X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=oem-config" in oem-config-prepare-gtk.desktop file, isn't this line enough to appear in translations.ubuntu.com ?
[09:59] <mantiena> cjwatson: hi
[10:00] <mantiena> cjwatson: what you think about fixing bug 233949 before Ubuntu 8.04.1 LTS ?
[10:01] <mantiena> it's safe to fix bug - just add one string to translations.ubuntu.com and regenerate new language-packs :)
[10:04] <slangasek> StevenK: poke at it how?
[10:05] <StevenK> slangasek: So, I'd like to fix it. Do you think bzr 1.4 is suitable at all, or I should beat lifeless for a patch?
[10:06] <slangasek> StevenK: if resolving requires me to make a determination of whether 1.4 is suitable, it'll miss 8.04.1; best to hang lifeless upside-down by his feet and shake out a patch
[10:07]  * StevenK grins
[10:09] <mjr> so is ks the recommended way of doing automated installs nowadays, ie. should I just battle with that instead of preseeding?
[10:13] <mantiena> mjr: sorry for disturbing, but could you tell me what is ks ?
[10:13] <mantiena> I'm also interesting in automated installs
[10:14] <mjr> kickstart, apparently there is hacked-up kickstart support in hardy
[10:14] <mjr> ks has been previously used with redhat installs
[10:14] <pwnguin> is that the pxe thing?
[10:15] <mjr> pxe is just network boot
[10:15] <mjr> but kickstart/preseeding are at their most useful with a network boto
[10:15] <mjr> boot
[10:16] <pwnguin> i had set up a few servers with a disc and a kernel option
[10:16] <pwnguin> but its not automated =(
[10:17] <mantiena> mjr: maybe some info about using kickstart for automated hardy installs could be found somewhere ?
[10:29] <mjr> mantiena, in the wiki
[10:29]  * mjr likes preseeding better but seems to be having trouble in hardy with that
[10:36] <mjr>  more precise question: how do I preseed everything the installer wants; is there documentation?
[10:53] <lool> soren: Hey, which branch of ubuntu-jeos is the one I should look at to get things in tip?  There's a trunk marked as "Mature" and an intrepid branch marked as "Development"; the later has the youngest commits
[10:59] <soren> lool: Intrepid's the one you want.
[11:07] <lool> soren: Could you have a look at the change in lp:~lool/ubuntu-jeos/intrepid?
[11:07] <lool> soren: Ideally, I'd love to upload and use this now
[11:23] <ivoks> http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/
[11:23] <ivoks> ups... :)
[11:24] <\sh> ivoks: lol
[11:41] <sivang> hmm, colin watson seems not to be around
[11:41] <sivang> cjwatson: ah, actually there you are?
[11:47] <\sh> hey sivang long time no see
[11:51] <sivang> hey \sh how are you doing ?
[11:52] <\sh> sivang: fine :) getting older, more sarcastic, so everything is in good shape :)
[11:53] <sivang> \sh: as long as health is preserved, i guess so :)
[11:54] <sivang> \sh: do you know whom I need to contact to renew my ubuntu-dev membership ?
[11:55] <\sh> sivang: motu thing? the MOTU Council (motu-council@lists.ubuntu.com)
[12:10] <sivang> \sh: ubuntu-dev is motu right, as opposed to ubuntu-dev-core which is main developers ?
[12:10] <\sh> sivang: correct :)
[12:11] <cody-somerville> not really
[12:11] <cody-somerville> ubuntu-dev is ubuntu-dev-core AND ubuntu motu
[12:12] <\sh> oh damn..yes
[12:12] <sivang> huh ?
[12:12] <sivang> when did this happen ?
[12:12] <\sh> ubuntu-dev is now all
[12:12] <sivang> aggregations of teams? :)
[12:12] <sivang> okay, so if I were approved for universe, whom do i need to contact ?
[12:15] <cody-somerville> simira, contact to do what?
[12:15] <simira> cody-somerville: get your tab-completion right ;)
[12:16] <cody-somerville> pfft ;p
[12:16] <cody-somerville> sorry
[12:16] <\sh> sivang: motu-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[12:17]  * \sh goes and have some rest...
[12:18] <sivang> \sh: k, thanks
[12:44] <Hobbsee> elmo: pong
[12:44] <Hobbsee> elmo: (what have i done?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> )
[13:38] <slangasek> pitti: is the "general case" of bug #210379 an SRU target for glib2.0?
[13:41] <guysoft42> hey all, did any of you get a bug report gksu doesnt work after hardy update?
[13:41] <pitti> slangasek: I'd like it to be, at least; it's annoying and confusing
[13:41] <guysoft42> because the irony is that you can't use the update manger to update the packages.. becasue gksu doesnt work!
[13:42] <pitti> slangasek: you get weird error messages popped into your face whenever someone else mounts something
[13:42] <slangasek> pitti: ok, leaving the hardy bug state alone then
[13:42] <pitti> slangasek: that's why I left it open, yeah
[13:44] <emgent> heya
[14:26] <lool> nijaba: ubuntu-vm-builder is broken for me because of set -e; could you check the latest revs (well or all revs) in lp:~lool/ubuntu-jeos/intrepid?
[14:26] <lool> nijaba: TIA
[14:27] <nijaba> lool: sure, thanks
[14:33] <lool> nijaba: Blah, it's really broken /usr/bin/ubuntu-vm-builder: line 565: DESTINATION: unbound variable
[14:33] <nijaba> lool: this is why the branch is experimental
[14:35] <lool> So you don't run the experimental branch, just commit to it?
[14:35] <lool> Anyway, fix pushed at same location
[14:35] <lool> Actually runs debootstrap now
[14:39] <nijaba> lool: yes I do, but apparently not with the same params you are, or I would have fixed it ;)
[14:43] <lool> nijaba: Well ubuntu-vm-builder kvm hardy didn't work :)
[14:50] <nijaba> lool: :/ really?
[14:53] <lool> nijaba: really!
[14:53]  * nijaba hides
[14:57] <lool> Hmm I can't test full UME vms, I don't have enought space in /tmp
[14:57] <lool> Now I really have to fix that using /tmp thing
[14:57] <liw> lool, $TMPDIR isn't obeyed?
[15:20] <lool> Urgh, ubuntu-vm-builder writes to a tmpfs
[15:21] <lool> liw: Actually I thought my /tmp was full, but the tmpfs in /tmp was full, it defaults to half of my memory to 1.5GB
[15:22] <ogra> lool, its a script, no ? you should be able to tweak paths
[15:22] <lool> Naturally
[15:23] <lool> ogra: What strikes me is that it probably means you can't run the script on 512 MB machines to bootstrap ubuntu
[15:23] <asac> pitti: doko: could you give back xulrunner-1.9 for all archs in intrepid?
[15:25] <asac> pitti: doko: sorry ... nevermind.
[15:25] <ogra> lool, well, adding a switch to use the disk instead should be possible i suppose
[15:25] <ogra> not sure how that affects speed then though
[15:27] <lool> Would be cool to be able to disable journal and bump the commit interval for a bind mount
[15:28] <lool> Well for a subdir rather
[15:40] <tmmoyer> is there any method (short of unplugging the network cable) of forcing the installer (using preseeding) to prefer the packages on the CD, and only to retrieve packages from somewhere other than the CD only when the CD doesn't provide the package needed? I want to create an installer that has some custom packages and prefers these to what it can get from the repository
[15:43] <Keybuk> lifeless: you know how bzr pull, push, merge, etc. have a --remember ?
[15:44] <StevenK> Keybuk: You want --forget? :-)
[15:47] <lifeless> Keybuk: yes?
[15:47] <Keybuk> StevenK: yup
[15:47] <Keybuk> lifeless: ^
[15:47] <lifeless> Keybuk: patches etc
[15:47] <Keybuk> lifeless: write one ;)
[15:48] <lifeless> Keybuk: know where ted/mpt are?
[15:49] <Keybuk> not in here
[16:49] <evand> mneptok: http://technalign.blogspot.com/2008/04/where-we-are-and-where-were-going.html
[17:25] <Foxandxss> hi
[18:15] <scriptdevil> I read somewhere in the ubuntu wiki about a site where users upload their own packages, can anybody point that site to me?
[18:20] <\sh> http://revu.tauware.de
[18:21] <\sh> or you think about LaunchPAD personal package archives...
[18:41] <lifeless> pitti: ping
[19:01] <CarlFK> http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/May21/a/hardy_install_error1.png  I think it should be able to give something better than ﻿"failed for unknown reasons" - what package should I bug?
[19:25] <ceekay> does 7.04 have the ability to write kernel crash dumps?
[19:26] <ceekay> can't seem to find any hard evidence of when/if something like LKCD was integrated into ubuntu
[19:43] <lifeless> pitti: bug 234101 and bug 234105
[19:43] <lifeless> pitti: for your consideration :)
[19:44] <lifeless> CarlFK: ubuiquity I think offhand
[19:44] <lifeless> CarlFK: oh, sorry, alt installer -
[19:44] <lifeless> CarlFK: debian-installer is the root package
[19:44] <CarlFK> lifeless: thanks
[19:58] <emgent> heya
[20:50] <jharr> I figured I'd poke someone in here about the gdm welcome message not being displayed in the Human theme.
[20:50] <jharr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/177745 - I posted a patch
[20:53] <emgent> someone can active my ubuntu.com mail alias?
[20:55] <stgraber> emgent: should be done automatically after a day or so, your main e-mail on LP will be where mails for your @ubuntu.com will end up
[21:02] <emgent> stgraber: yeah, i know but alias now dont work
[21:03] <emgent> i will wait :)