[00:41] <Mike_Feravolo> Maybe some one can tell me how to find out what email address that i signed up for the marketing list is
[00:41] <Mike_Feravolo> i keep getting my messages bounced back
[14:26] <smallfoot-> hey can you make a page that teaches users how to market ubuntu
[14:26] <smallfoot-> if i say "hey get ubuntu", people say "why?" and im like shit, i dont know
[14:27] <smallfoot-> sometimes people say untrue thing like "ubuntu is faster than window" then i try it, and its slower than windows
[14:27] <smallfoot-> they say "ubuntu is more easy than windows", i try, and its difficult to use and crash and many things dont works
[14:27] <smallfoot-> they say "ubuntu is more stable than window" and it crash
[14:28] <smallfoot-> they say "ubuntu is more secure than windows", but it doesnt have disk encryption like Vista has
[14:29] <smallfoot-> they say "ubuntu dont get virus", but its because nothing works in ubuntu, so virus cant work too
[14:30] <pep> [15:28] <smallfoot-> th?ey say "ubuntu is more secure than windows", but it doesnt have disk encryption like Vista has
[14:30] <pep> [15:29] <smallfoot-> they say "ubuntu dont get virus", but its because nothing works in ubuntu, so virus cant work too
[14:30] <pep> I don't want to hurt your feelings
[14:30] <pep> but learn a little more about the funciotning of an operating system... inform yourself before saying wrong things
[14:31] <pep> ever heard of truecrypt?
[14:31] <smallfoot-> yes, and ubuntu dont have truecrypt
[14:31] <smallfoot-> go look in repository, it dont have it
[14:31] <smallfoot-> and Vista has BitLocker Drive Encryption, you can encrypt WHOLE disk, in Ubuntu you cant even protect your home directory
[14:31] <pep> it does
[14:32] <pep> sudo apt-get isntall truecrypt
[14:32] <pep> oh my god
[14:32] <pep> don't say things like that
[14:32] <pep> you know what an alternate cd is?
[14:32] <pep> take a look at how "bad" ubuntu is: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Encrypted-Ubuntu-7-10-68383.shtml
[14:33] <smallfoot-> Package truecrypt is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[14:33] <smallfoot-> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[14:33] <smallfoot-> is only available from another source
[14:33] <smallfoot-> E: Package truecrypt has no installation candidate
[14:33] <smallfoot-> apt-get say no truecrypt
[14:33] <smallfoot-> $ dpkg -l "*truecrypt*"
[14:33] <smallfoot-> No packages found matching *truecrypt*.
[14:33] <pep> which version of ubuntu do you have?
[14:33] <smallfoot-> 8.04
[14:34] <pep> ok
[14:34] <pep> I just checked
[14:34] <pep> it used to be there
[14:34] <pep> we took it out
[14:34] <smallfoot-> yeah but its not
[14:34] <pep> http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php
[14:34] <smallfoot-> install from outside repository is difficult
[14:34] <smallfoot-> and i want full disk encryption, not just a little encrypted file or volume, i want ALL encrypted
[14:34] <pep> it is what you have been doing all the time on windows... we're not talking about compiling here...
[14:35] <smallfoot-> and i want use normal cd, not have to use a alternative cd that i dont have, which has text install instead of graphics
[14:35] <pep> it is a precompiled .deb
[14:35] <pep> well you can, then use truecrypt
[14:35] <smallfoot-> oh good
[14:35] <pep> now listen
[14:36] <pep> if you're here to troll and say how bad it is and how you're too lazy to figure out how a new OS works, you may as well leave. We're not here to satisfy your need of complaining about Ubuntu.
[14:37] <smallfoot-> oh ok
[14:37] <pep> needless to say that it was not at all constructive what you said
[14:38] <smallfoot-> but can you make a webpage that teaches ubuntu users how promote ubuntu to other people, i say "get ubuntu its free!!!! FREEDOM!!!" and they get scared of me, or they say widnows came free with their computer
[14:38] <pep> ^^
[14:38] <smallfoot-> and if say "get ubuntu its open source!!", they say "open sauce?? what is this, i dont care"
[14:38] <pep> hang on I'll look, I think this existed... there is a "marketing-guide" or similar prepared or already out...
[14:39] <pep> smallfoot-: well then you have to explain why they should care... just take soem time to explain it all... like we all do :)
[14:39] <pep> I wouldn't care too if I had never heard of it :)
[14:39] <smallfoot-> and sometimes i see other people post in forum "Ubuntu is the absolutely best operating system ever, its much faster and stable than Windows and much easier, and its 100% secure, its impossibel get virus, and you get more FSP in CS!" then ppl are like "wow, this must be good" and they get it, then their hardware dont work like Wi-Fi and they say "hey, this ubuntu sucks! you tricked me!"
[14:40] <smallfoot-> the ubuntu marketing guys need to make a marketing-guide webpage maybe on ubuntu wiki that teaches users how to correctly promote it
[14:40] <pep> and? id you explain to them that it was a community based project also? that if their wifi bugs, they should try and get help, nd if it is a real bug they can report and we'll fix it?
[14:40] <pep> yeah I'll check on that page.. hang on
[14:42] <pep> smallfoot-: https://launchpad.net/spreadubuntu
[14:42] <pep> smallfoot-: http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/spreadubuntu/
[14:43] <pep> the best is still to read an re-read the official descriptions why Ubuntu is good. and most of all: understand them thouroughly!
[14:46] <pep> the more you use ubuntu yourself, the more you will be able to talk about it and convince people.
[14:50] <smallfoot-> yeah maybe someone have different need, like if i promote to susy14 who likes to chat on msn or to csboy16 who like play game, or if i promote to Mr. John Applegate 43 who is the CEO of Applegate Solutions Inc, or if i promote to school or library
[14:51] <pep> yes, got to think about that when you talk to soemone about ubuntu
[14:52] <smallfoot-> yeah should be a guide
[14:54] <smallfoot-> why is no spreadubuntu.com?
[15:00] <pep> it is planned
[15:01] <pep> you can participate if you want to see it standing :)
[15:01] <smallfoot-> i dont knows how
[15:05] <pep> learn website making... html/css/php... or easier... just participate to the wiki, no great skills neede for that...
[15:06] <pep> it wil be done when somebody takes the time to do it.
[15:06] <smallfoot-> well i can download Drupal, it is what spreadfirefox.com uses
[15:06] <smallfoot-> then install that
[15:07] <pep> if you want to make  a standalone .com site maybe use drupal, yes... see https://launchpad.net/spreadubuntu for info...
[15:29] <smallfoot-> i dont want make standalone .com, i want put on spreadubuntu.com
[15:30] <pep> spreadubuntu.com is a domain name... and it doesn't exist...
[15:30] <pep> I was talking about a standalonde website, as in "not in the ubuntu wiki"
[15:31] <smallfoot-> spreadubuntu.com does exist
[15:31] <smallfoot-> but it redirect to ubuntu.com
[15:31] <pep> ah
[15:31] <pep> cool
[15:32] <smallfoot-> yeah so we must put drupal on it, and make it same like spreadfirefox.com
[15:32] <smallfoot-> cuz that is what they use
[15:32] <smallfoot-> and their site is successful
[15:33] <pep> yes... actually a site needs tobe made, then the domain name will be linked to it....
[15:34] <pep> but if you're serious to participate in this, mail the list...
[15:34] <smallfoot-> there is a mailing lists?
[15:34] <pep> yes
[15:34] <pep> this is ubuntu-markting :)
[15:34] <pep> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=213606 there has already been a lot of talk about this project..
[15:35] <pep> and the list is in the topic
[15:35] <pep>  /topic
[15:36] <smallfoot-> oh