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| stgraber | RichEd: you around ? | 15:36 |
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| RichEd | stgraber: sort of | 15:36 |
| RichEd | wassup ? | 15:36 |
| stgraber | I just wondered if I can talk a bit about the cmpc in a "things to come" part of the talk ? | 15:36 |
| RichEd | sure ... it is all public knowledge | 15:37 |
| RichEd | check out the cmpc page on the wiki | 15:37 |
| stgraber | looking now. It's not always easy to know what's publicly announced and what's not, for example the UME, the development was public but it wasn't a good idea to speak about it publicly (as people would perhaps expect features that would then be dropped) | 15:38 |
| stgraber | RichEd: oh, Intel releases the cmpc2 specs ? | 16:07 |
| * stgraber wonders why he never saw that announce :) | 16:08 | |
| wima | does anyone know if ldm does something with umask settings? | 16:39 |
| wima | if i log in on an ltsp client, my umask is always 022 | 16:39 |
| wima | but i set it to 002 in /etc/profile and /etc/login.defs | 16:39 |
| stgraber | wima: what's the umask when you ssh to the server ? | 16:40 |
| wima | 002 | 16:40 |
| stgraber | ok, so either something in ldm does (I don't really see how or why) or the Xsession script changes the umask for some weird reason | 16:41 |
| wima | ah Xsession | 16:42 |
| wima | can that be? | 16:42 |
| stgraber | maybe, IIRC ldm calls Xsession to start the gnome session | 16:42 |
| wima | i see no references to umask in the xsession.d files | 16:44 |
| cberlo | Has anyone tried running Edubuntu LTSP through FastHubs? | 19:42 |
| humbolt | Hi all, I have a huge problem with processes left over after logout on my LTSP system! | 20:51 |
| humbolt | As I also see this behavior on my laptop, I am afraid this might be a general Gnome problem! Just that it does not really break things when you basically reboot your laptop after each reboot! | 20:53 |
| johnny | it is a general known problem | 20:53 |
| johnny | err gnome problem | 20:53 |
| humbolt | Do you guys experience this as well. | 20:53 |
| johnny | gnome doesnt' clean up after itself | 20:53 |
| humbolt | johnny: Damn Gnome! | 20:53 |
| johnny | cuz it's usually used on systems that are single user in truth.. so when gnome shuts down, all is ok | 20:53 |
| johnny | but for us.. with processes running on the server.. it's not acting like a normal computer in that when you log out, it's turned off | 20:54 |
| johnny | so not much focus was put into that | 20:54 |
| humbolt | So what should I do on my LTSP system? | 20:54 |
| johnny | it is going to be fixed tho | 20:54 |
| humbolt | It is? | 20:54 |
| johnny | there's something called gnome-watchdog | 20:54 |
| johnny | i don't know if it is compatible with gnome 2.22 which is in hardy | 20:54 |
| johnny | you might want to take a look at it | 20:54 |
| johnny | or a program called xterminator | 20:54 |
| johnny | my clients never logoff, they are all anonymous terminals | 20:55 |
| humbolt | What are these Gnome guys thinking? | 20:55 |
| johnny | so i just run a script | 20:55 |
| humbolt | The have so much crap in their system. | 20:55 |
| johnny | i disagree | 20:55 |
| humbolt | The worst thing ever is freaking evolution! | 20:55 |
| johnny | they have great stuff | 20:55 |
| johnny | it's not as well used as it could be | 20:55 |
| humbolt | The alarm daemon does hardly ever shutdown cleanly | 20:56 |
| johnny | which makes some stuff less useful than it could be | 20:56 |
| johnny | as i said humbolt, their normal use case to be concerned about, are single user systems, which which none of this is a problem | 20:56 |
| humbolt | I am already considering switching my users back to KDE. | 20:56 |
| johnny | you could set /etc/xdg/autostart | 20:56 |
| johnny | look in their and turn off evolution | 20:56 |
| humbolt | johnny: did that already | 20:56 |
| humbolt | johnny: still many unclosed processes | 20:57 |
| johnny | i know , it doenst solve everything | 20:57 |
| johnny | but i won't swich away from gnome for this isssue | 20:57 |
| johnny | and i won't/cant' ever support kde | 20:57 |
| humbolt | the worst are game and firefox processes left over and going mad. | 20:57 |
| johnny | firefox rarely does that to me | 20:57 |
| johnny | since hardy | 20:57 |
| johnny | firefox behaves much better in 3.0 series | 20:58 |
| johnny | games.. that's a problem with them, not gnome | 20:58 |
| humbolt | It sucks so much. I can't watch over this LTSP server 24/7 | 20:58 |
| johnny | then script it | 20:58 |
| johnny | to kill things | 20:58 |
| johnny | like the two things i mentioned | 20:58 |
| humbolt | Would not know where to begin. kill everything that does not belong to anybody who shows up in `users`? | 20:59 |
| johnny | use the scripts i mentioned | 21:00 |
| johnny | go search for em | 21:00 |
| humbolt | on it | 21:00 |
| humbolt | And you say, they are working on fixing that? | 21:01 |
| humbolt | Really? | 21:01 |
| humbolt | Just filed 2 bug reports today. One launchpad one gnome. | 21:01 |
| humbolt | reading up on gnome-watchdog | 21:04 |
| humbolt | hope it does not kill things, when a user is logged in twice and logs out at one terminal | 21:04 |
| johnny | logged in twice is not good for gnome | 21:07 |
| johnny | don't do that | 21:07 |
| johnny | or firefox | 21:07 |
| rv | Hello! Is it possible to set up Edubuntu LTSP server if I have one eth0 interface to connect client, and connected to i-net through USB ADSL-modem (using ubudsl)? How should I configure eth0 interface during installation? | 21:19 |
| humbolt | johnny: Especially the gvfsd procs tend to stay alive. | 21:21 |
| humbolt | johnny: I installed gnome-watchdog now. We will see if it works. Thanks for the tip. | 21:22 |
| lns | humbolt, johnny, Just to add to the conversation and give no actual help/support for it... ;) I really think that the Gnome devs need to get back to the roots of what Linux/*nix is *supposed* to be about - which are things like what LTSP is all about - thin-clients, multiuser systems, network portable environments | 22:02 |
| lns | I think Gnome is an absolutely fantastic environment, but they are straying way too far from *nix roots | 22:02 |
| lns | which is causing big problems when we try to do things like LTSP/multi-user systems | 22:02 |
| lns | not that I can do anything about it but bitch and complain.. ;) (until I have enough money to hire a programmer to help fix these things anyway) | 22:03 |
| lns | I just don't want to see others follow the trend of only caring about single-user systems...because I really do believe (and I'm sure most of the people in here do too) that computing in general is moving back toward server-centric processing (like in the dumb terminal days) | 22:06 |
| lns | only now we can do so much more | 22:07 |
| johnny | gnome is going to make it easier for us to do things supposably | 22:35 |
| johnny | with consolekit/policykit | 22:35 |
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