=== gnomefre1k is now known as gnomeffreak === gnomeffreak is now known as gnomefreak [15:36] RichEd: you around ? [15:36] stgraber: sort of [15:36] wassup ? [15:36] I just wondered if I can talk a bit about the cmpc in a "things to come" part of the talk ? [15:37] sure ... it is all public knowledge [15:37] check out the cmpc page on the wiki [15:38] looking now. It's not always easy to know what's publicly announced and what's not, for example the UME, the development was public but it wasn't a good idea to speak about it publicly (as people would perhaps expect features that would then be dropped) [16:07] RichEd: oh, Intel releases the cmpc2 specs ? [16:08] * stgraber wonders why he never saw that announce :) [16:39] does anyone know if ldm does something with umask settings? [16:39] if i log in on an ltsp client, my umask is always 022 [16:39] but i set it to 002 in /etc/profile and /etc/login.defs [16:40] wima: what's the umask when you ssh to the server ? [16:40] 002 [16:41] ok, so either something in ldm does (I don't really see how or why) or the Xsession script changes the umask for some weird reason [16:42] ah Xsession [16:42] can that be? [16:42] maybe, IIRC ldm calls Xsession to start the gnome session [16:44] i see no references to umask in the xsession.d files [19:42] Has anyone tried running Edubuntu LTSP through FastHubs? [20:51] Hi all, I have a huge problem with processes left over after logout on my LTSP system! [20:53] As I also see this behavior on my laptop, I am afraid this might be a general Gnome problem! Just that it does not really break things when you basically reboot your laptop after each reboot! [20:53] it is a general known problem [20:53] err gnome problem [20:53] Do you guys experience this as well. [20:53] gnome doesnt' clean up after itself [20:53] johnny: Damn Gnome! [20:53] cuz it's usually used on systems that are single user in truth.. so when gnome shuts down, all is ok [20:54] but for us.. with processes running on the server.. it's not acting like a normal computer in that when you log out, it's turned off [20:54] so not much focus was put into that [20:54] So what should I do on my LTSP system? [20:54] it is going to be fixed tho [20:54] It is? [20:54] there's something called gnome-watchdog [20:54] i don't know if it is compatible with gnome 2.22 which is in hardy [20:54] you might want to take a look at it [20:54] or a program called xterminator [20:55] my clients never logoff, they are all anonymous terminals [20:55] What are these Gnome guys thinking? [20:55] so i just run a script [20:55] The have so much crap in their system. [20:55] i disagree [20:55] The worst thing ever is freaking evolution! [20:55] they have great stuff [20:55] it's not as well used as it could be [20:56] The alarm daemon does hardly ever shutdown cleanly [20:56] which makes some stuff less useful than it could be [20:56] as i said humbolt, their normal use case to be concerned about, are single user systems, which which none of this is a problem [20:56] I am already considering switching my users back to KDE. [20:56] you could set /etc/xdg/autostart [20:56] look in their and turn off evolution [20:56] johnny: did that already [20:57] johnny: still many unclosed processes [20:57] i know , it doenst solve everything [20:57] but i won't swich away from gnome for this isssue [20:57] and i won't/cant' ever support kde [20:57] the worst are game and firefox processes left over and going mad. [20:57] firefox rarely does that to me [20:57] since hardy [20:58] firefox behaves much better in 3.0 series [20:58] games.. that's a problem with them, not gnome [20:58] It sucks so much. I can't watch over this LTSP server 24/7 [20:58] then script it [20:58] to kill things [20:58] like the two things i mentioned [20:59] Would not know where to begin. kill everything that does not belong to anybody who shows up in `users`? [21:00] use the scripts i mentioned [21:00] go search for em [21:00] on it [21:01] And you say, they are working on fixing that? [21:01] Really? [21:01] Just filed 2 bug reports today. One launchpad one gnome. [21:04] reading up on gnome-watchdog [21:04] hope it does not kill things, when a user is logged in twice and logs out at one terminal [21:07] logged in twice is not good for gnome [21:07] don't do that [21:07] or firefox [21:19] Hello! Is it possible to set up Edubuntu LTSP server if I have one eth0 interface to connect client, and connected to i-net through USB ADSL-modem (using ubudsl)? How should I configure eth0 interface during installation? [21:21] johnny: Especially the gvfsd procs tend to stay alive. [21:22] johnny: I installed gnome-watchdog now. We will see if it works. Thanks for the tip. [22:02] humbolt, johnny, Just to add to the conversation and give no actual help/support for it... ;) I really think that the Gnome devs need to get back to the roots of what Linux/*nix is *supposed* to be about - which are things like what LTSP is all about - thin-clients, multiuser systems, network portable environments [22:02] I think Gnome is an absolutely fantastic environment, but they are straying way too far from *nix roots [22:02] which is causing big problems when we try to do things like LTSP/multi-user systems [22:03] not that I can do anything about it but bitch and complain.. ;) (until I have enough money to hire a programmer to help fix these things anyway) [22:06] I just don't want to see others follow the trend of only caring about single-user systems...because I really do believe (and I'm sure most of the people in here do too) that computing in general is moving back toward server-centric processing (like in the dumb terminal days) [22:07] only now we can do so much more [22:35] gnome is going to make it easier for us to do things supposably [22:35] with consolekit/policykit