[15:36] <stgraber> RichEd: you around ?
[15:36] <RichEd> stgraber: sort of
[15:36] <RichEd> wassup ?
[15:36] <stgraber> I just wondered if I can talk a bit about the cmpc in a "things to come" part of the talk ?
[15:37] <RichEd> sure ... it is all public knowledge
[15:37] <RichEd> check out the cmpc page on the wiki
[15:38] <stgraber> looking now. It's not always easy to know what's publicly announced and what's not, for example the UME, the development was public but it wasn't a good idea to speak about it publicly (as people would perhaps expect features that would then be dropped)
[16:07] <stgraber> RichEd: oh, Intel releases the cmpc2 specs ?
[16:08]  * stgraber wonders why he never saw that announce :)
[16:39] <wima> does anyone know if ldm does something with umask settings?
[16:39] <wima> if i log in on an ltsp client, my umask is always 022
[16:39] <wima> but i set it to 002 in /etc/profile and /etc/login.defs
[16:40] <stgraber> wima: what's the umask when you ssh to the server ?
[16:40] <wima> 002
[16:41] <stgraber> ok, so either something in ldm does (I don't really see how or why) or the Xsession script changes the umask for some weird reason
[16:42] <wima> ah Xsession
[16:42] <wima> can that be?
[16:42] <stgraber> maybe, IIRC ldm calls Xsession to start the gnome session
[16:44] <wima> i see no references to umask in the xsession.d files
[19:42] <cberlo> Has anyone tried running Edubuntu LTSP through FastHubs?
[20:51] <humbolt> Hi all, I have a huge problem with processes left over after logout on my LTSP system!
[20:53] <humbolt> As I also see this behavior on my laptop, I am afraid this might be a general Gnome problem! Just that it does not really break things when you basically reboot your laptop after each reboot!
[20:53] <johnny> it is a general known problem
[20:53] <johnny> err gnome problem
[20:53] <humbolt> Do you guys experience this as well.
[20:53] <johnny> gnome doesnt' clean up after itself
[20:53] <humbolt> johnny: Damn Gnome!
[20:53] <johnny> cuz it's usually used on systems that are single user in truth.. so when gnome shuts down, all is ok
[20:54] <johnny> but for us.. with processes running on the server.. it's not acting like a normal computer in that when you log out, it's turned off
[20:54] <johnny> so not much focus was put into that
[20:54] <humbolt> So what should I do on my LTSP system?
[20:54] <johnny> it is going to be fixed tho
[20:54] <humbolt> It is?
[20:54] <johnny> there's something called gnome-watchdog
[20:54] <johnny> i don't know if it is compatible with gnome 2.22 which is in hardy
[20:54] <johnny> you might want to take a look at it
[20:54] <johnny> or a program called xterminator
[20:55] <johnny> my clients never logoff, they are all anonymous terminals
[20:55] <humbolt> What are these Gnome guys thinking?
[20:55] <johnny> so i just run a script
[20:55] <humbolt> The have so much crap in their system.
[20:55] <johnny> i disagree
[20:55] <humbolt> The worst thing ever is freaking evolution!
[20:55] <johnny> they have great stuff
[20:55] <johnny> it's not as well used as it could be
[20:56] <humbolt> The alarm daemon does hardly ever shutdown cleanly
[20:56] <johnny> which makes some stuff less useful than it could be
[20:56] <johnny> as i said humbolt, their normal use case to be concerned about, are single user systems, which which none of this is a problem
[20:56] <humbolt> I am already considering switching my users back to KDE.
[20:56] <johnny> you could set /etc/xdg/autostart
[20:56] <johnny> look in their and turn off evolution
[20:56] <humbolt> johnny: did that already
[20:57] <humbolt> johnny: still many unclosed processes
[20:57] <johnny> i know , it doenst solve everything
[20:57] <johnny> but i won't swich away from gnome for this isssue
[20:57] <johnny> and i won't/cant' ever support kde
[20:57] <humbolt> the worst are game and firefox processes left over and going mad.
[20:57] <johnny> firefox rarely does that to me
[20:57] <johnny> since hardy
[20:58] <johnny> firefox behaves much better in 3.0 series
[20:58] <johnny> games.. that's a problem with them, not gnome
[20:58] <humbolt> It sucks so much. I can't watch over this LTSP server 24/7
[20:58] <johnny> then script it
[20:58] <johnny> to kill things
[20:58] <johnny> like the two things i mentioned
[20:59] <humbolt> Would not know where to begin. kill everything that does not belong to anybody who shows up in `users`?
[21:00] <johnny> use the scripts i mentioned
[21:00] <johnny> go search for em
[21:00] <humbolt> on it
[21:01] <humbolt> And you say, they are working on fixing that?
[21:01] <humbolt> Really?
[21:01] <humbolt> Just filed 2 bug reports today. One launchpad one gnome.
[21:04] <humbolt> reading up on gnome-watchdog
[21:04] <humbolt> hope it does not kill things, when a user is logged in twice and logs out at one terminal
[21:07] <johnny> logged in twice is not good for gnome
[21:07] <johnny> don't do that
[21:07] <johnny> or firefox
[21:19] <rv> Hello! Is it possible to set up Edubuntu LTSP server if I have one eth0 interface to connect client, and connected to i-net through USB ADSL-modem (using ubudsl)? How should I configure eth0 interface during installation?
[21:21] <humbolt> johnny: Especially the gvfsd procs tend to stay alive.
[21:22] <humbolt> johnny: I installed gnome-watchdog now. We will see if it works. Thanks for the tip.
[22:02] <lns> humbolt, johnny, Just to add to the conversation and give no actual help/support for it... ;) I really think that the Gnome devs need to get back to the roots of what Linux/*nix is *supposed* to be about - which are things like what LTSP is all about - thin-clients, multiuser systems, network portable environments
[22:02] <lns> I think Gnome is an absolutely fantastic environment, but they are straying way too far from *nix roots
[22:02] <lns> which is causing big problems when we try to do things like LTSP/multi-user systems
[22:03] <lns> not that I can do anything about it but bitch and complain.. ;) (until I have enough money to hire a programmer to help fix these things anyway)
[22:06] <lns> I just don't want to see others follow the trend of only caring about single-user systems...because I really do believe (and I'm sure most of the people in here do too) that computing in general is moving back toward server-centric processing (like in the dumb terminal days)
[22:07] <lns> only now we can do so much more
[22:35] <johnny> gnome is going to make it easier for us to do things supposably
[22:35] <johnny> with consolekit/policykit