[00:43] <Randall> I have a request
[00:43] <Randall> make your damn users less arrogant
[00:46] <Lightkey> try #debian
[00:48] <Randall> Genesis 1
[00:48] <Randall> The Beginning
[00:48] <Randall>  1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
[00:48] <Randall>  2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
[00:48] <Randall>  3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
[00:48] <Randall>  6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
[00:48] <Randall>  9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.
[00:48] <Randall>  11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
[00:48] <Randall>  14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give lig
[00:48] <Randall>  20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let th
[00:48] <Randall>  24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
[00:48] <ion_> You fail at paste.
[00:48] <Randall>  26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
[00:49] <Randall>  27 So God created man in his own image,
[00:49] <Randall>        in the image of God he created him;
[00:49] <Randall>        male and female he created them.
[00:49] <Randall>  28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
[00:49] <Randall>  29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
[00:49] <Randall>  31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
[00:49] <Randall> Genesis 2 (New International Version)
[00:49] <Randall> New International Version (NIV)
[00:49] <Randall> Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
[00:49] <Randall> [NIV at IBS] [International Bible Society] [NIV at Zondervan] [Zondervan]
[00:49] <Randall> Genesis 2
[00:49] <Randall>  1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
[00:49] <Randall>  2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested [a] from all his work. 3 And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
[00:49] <Randall> Adam and Eve
[00:49] <ion_> !ops
[00:49] <Randall>  4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.
[00:49] <Randall>       When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth [b] and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth [c] and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams [d] came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- the LORD God formed the man The Hebrew for man (adam) sounds like and may be related to the Hebrew for gr
[00:49] <Randall>  8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
[00:50] <Randall>  10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. 11 The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin [e] and onyx are also there.) 13 The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. [f] 14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east 
[00:50] <Randall>  15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
[00:50] <Randall>  18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."
[00:50] <Randall>  19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
[00:50] <Randall>       But for Adam [g] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs [h] and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [i] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
[00:50] <Randall>  23 The man said,
[00:50] <Randall>        "This is now bone of my bones
[00:50] <Randall>        and flesh of my flesh;
[00:50] <Randall>        she shall be called 'woman, [j] '
[00:50] <Randall>        for she was taken out of man."
[00:50] <Randall>  24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
[00:50]  * Pici goes to look for people on the access list
[00:50] <Randall>  25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
[00:50] <Randall> Genesis 3
[00:50] <Randall> The Fall of Man
[00:50] <Randall>  1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
[00:50] <Randall>  2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
[00:50] <Randall>  4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
[00:51] <Randall>  6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
[00:51] <Randall>  8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
[00:51] <Randall>  10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
[00:51] <Randall>  11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"
[00:51] <Randall>  12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."
[00:51] <Randall>  13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"
[00:51] <Randall>       The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."
[00:51] <Randall>  14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
[00:51] <Randall>        "Cursed are you above all the livestock
[00:51] <Randall>        and all the wild animals!
[00:51] <Randall>        You will crawl on your belly
[00:51] <Randall>        and you will eat dust
[00:51] <Randall>        all the days of your life.
[00:51] <Randall>  15 And I will put enmity
[00:51] <Randall>        between you and the woman,
[00:51] <Randall>        and between your offspring [a] and hers;
[00:51] <Randall>        he will crush [b] your head,
[00:51] <Randall>        and you will strike his heel."
[00:51] <Randall>  16 To the woman he said,
[00:51] <Randall>        "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
[00:51] <Randall>        with pain you will give birth to children.
[00:52] <tormod> someone had too much drugs at the uds parties?
[00:53] <tormod> he started so well with that arrogant user thing, I was waiting for the point
[01:13] <asdfg> Genesis 42
[01:13] <asdfg> Joseph's Brothers Go to Egypt
[01:13] <asdfg>  1 When Jacob learned that there was grain in Egypt, he said to his sons, "Why do you just keep looking at each other?" 2 He continued, "I have heard that there is grain in Egypt. Go down there and buy some for us, so that we may live and not die."
[01:13] <asdfg>  3 Then ten of Joseph's brothers went down to buy grain from Egypt. 4 But Jacob did not send Benjamin, Joseph's brother, with the others, because he was afraid that harm might come to him. 5 So Israel's sons were among those who went to buy grain, for the famine was in the land of Canaan also.
[01:13] <asdfg>  6 Now Joseph was the governor of the land, the one who sold grain to all its people. So when Joseph's brothers arrived, they bowed down to him with their faces to the ground. 7 As soon as Joseph saw his brothers, he recognized them, but he pretended to be a stranger and spoke harshly to them. "Where do you come from?" he asked.
[01:13] <asdfg>       "From the land of Canaan," they replied, "to buy food."
[01:13] <asdfg>  8 Although Joseph recognized his brothers, they did not recognize him. 9 Then he remembered his dreams about them and said to them, "You are spies! You have come to see where our land is unprotected."
[01:13] <asdfg>  10 "No, my lord," they answered. "Your servants have come to buy food. 11 We are all the sons of one man. Your servants are honest men, not spies."
[01:13] <asdfg>  12 "No!" he said to them. "You have come to see where our land is unprotected."
[01:13] <soren> stfu
[01:13] <asdfg>  13 But they replied, "Your servants were twelve brothers, the sons of one man, who lives in the land of Canaan. The youngest is now with our father, and one is no more."
[01:13] <asdfg>  14 Joseph said to them, "It is just as I told you: You are spies! 15 And this is how you will be tested: As surely as Pharaoh lives, you will not leave this place unless your youngest brother comes here. 16 Send one of your number to get your brother; the rest of you will be kept in prison, so that your words may be tested to see if you are telling the truth. If you are not, then as surely as Pharaoh lives, you are spies!" 17 And he put them
[01:13] <soren> !op
[01:13] <asdfg>  18 On the third day, Joseph said to them, "Do this and you will live, for I fear God: 19 If you are honest men, let one of your brothers stay here in prison, while the rest of you go and take grain back for your starving households. 20 But you must bring your youngest brother to me, so that your words may be verified and that you may not die." This they proceeded to do.
[01:13] <asdfg>  21 They said to one another, "Surely we are being punished because of our brother. We saw how distressed he was when he pleaded with us for his life, but we would not listen; that's why this distress has come upon us."
[01:13] <asdfg>  22 Reuben replied, "Didn't I tell you not to sin against the boy? But you wouldn't listen! Now we must give an accounting for his blood." 23 They did not realize that Joseph could understand them, since he was using an interpreter.
[01:13] <asdfg>  24 He turned away from them and began to weep, but then turned back and spoke to them again. He had Simeon taken from them and bound before their eyes.
[01:14] <asdfg>  25 Joseph gave orders to fill their bags with grain, to put each man's silver back in his sack, and to give them provisions for their journey. After this was done for them, 26 they loaded their grain on their donkeys and left.
[01:14] <asdfg>  27 At the place where they stopped for the night one of them opened his sack to get feed for his donkey, and he saw his silver in the mouth of his sack. 28 "My silver has been returned," he said to his brothers. "Here it is in my sack."
[01:14] <asdfg>       Their hearts sank and they turned to each other trembling and said, "What is this that God has done to us?"
[01:14] <asdfg>  29 When they came to their father Jacob in the land of Canaan, they told him all that had happened to them. They said, 30 "The man who is lord over the land spoke harshly to us and treated us as though we were spying on the land. 31 But we said to him, 'We are honest men; we are not spies. 32 We were twelve brothers, sons of one father. One is no more, and the youngest is now with our father in Canaan.'
[01:14] <asdfg>  33 "Then the man who is lord over the land said to us, 'This is how I will know whether you are honest men: Leave one of your brothers here with me, and take food for your starving households and go. 34 But bring your youngest brother to me so I will know that you are not spies but honest men. Then I will give your brother back to you, and you can trade [a] in the land.' "
[01:14]  * Yvonne_ pokes PriceChild 
[01:14] <asdfg>  35 As they were emptying their sacks, there in each man's sack was his pouch of silver! When they and their father saw the money pouches, they were frightened. 36 Their father Jacob said to them, "You have deprived me of my children. Joseph is no more and Simeon is no more, and now you want to take Benjamin. Everything is against me!"
[01:14] <asdfg>  37 Then Reuben said to his father, "You may put both of my sons to death if I do not bring him back to you. Entrust him to my care, and I will bring him back."
[01:14] <j-dizzle> it's soothing.
[01:14] <asdfg>  38 But Jacob said, "My son will not go down there with you; his brother is dead and he is the only one left. If harm comes to him on the journey you are taking, you will bring my gray head down to the grave [b] in sorrow."
[01:14] <asdfg> Genesis 43
[01:14] <j-dizzle> in the lobotomy way.
[01:14] <asdfg> The Second Journey to Egypt 1 Now the famine was still severe in the land. 2 So when they had eaten all the grain they had brought from Egypt, their father said to them, "Go back and buy us a little more food."
[01:14] <asdfg> 3 But Judah said to him, "The man warned us solemnly, 'You will not see my face again unless your brother is with you.' 4 If you will send our brother along with us, we will go down and buy food for you. 5 But if you will not send him, we will not go down, because the man said to us, 'You will not see my face again unless your brother is with you.' "
[01:16] <soren> PriceChild: Thanks.
[01:16] <PriceChild> Haven't read up much on how ipv6 works yet so hope that works :)
[01:17] <j-dizzle> PriceChild: oh you might've banned like 2^32 IP's but good enough ;-)
[01:17] <Lightkey> requested? O.o
[01:17] <j-dizzle> Lightkey: minitrue approve plusgood terminology.
[01:18] <PriceChild> j-dizzle: oh yeah i know that's a lot i banned, just wasn't sure how dynamic stuff behaves, which bits change, whether its the same kind of idea as ipv4.
[01:18] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:18] <j-dizzle> I personally think it's a FloodBot job :)
[01:18] <Nafallo> banned a /64 is looks like...
[01:19] <j-dizzle> Nafallo: bleh ther'es plenty of bits to go around
[01:19] <Nafallo> he.net's broker supplies /48s
[01:21] <j-dizzle> !ops
[01:21] <j-dizzle> that's probably another one?
[01:22] <Nafallo> hmmm
[01:22] <Pici> Its muted anyway.
[01:22] <j-dizzle> if we just mute every channel....
[01:22]  * j-dizzle files a patent
[01:23] <Nafallo> so ban allows users to join then?
[01:23] <Seeker`> yes
[01:23] <Seeker`> well, a ban with a % in the front does
[01:23] <Seeker`> but they cant talk
[01:23] <Nafallo> ah. it's one of the special bans.
[01:24] <Seeker`> I think PriceChild banned 2^64 IPs
[01:24] <j-dizzle> lol probably banned a few ISP's
[01:25] <Nafallo> no
[01:25] <Nafallo> probably didn't ban enough.
[01:25] <Seeker`> Nafallo: ?
[01:25] <Nafallo> it's hurricane electric. they supply users with /48s on their tunnel broker.
[01:26] <Nafallo> /64 is banned.
[01:29]  * nalioth calls the j-dizzle in #ubuntu-devel 
[01:30] <j-dizzle> nalioth: yes sir?
[01:32] <ScottK-uds> Nafallo: /64 in IPv6 is the same (sort of) as banning a single IP in IPv4.
[01:32] <nalioth> just paraphrasing the bot, j-dizzle
[01:32] <Seeker`> Quite an interesting story asdfg was posting. I wonder how it ends
[01:32] <j-dizzle> nalioth: ah :)
[01:32] <Nafallo> ScottK-uds: yes. my point is the user is likely to have the /48 on the tunnel :-)
[01:34] <ScottK-uds> Nafallo: Right.  I'd tend to guess that /48 is to a sub provider and he should have just he /64 as an individual user (in theory anyway - that's how it was designed)
[01:35] <Nafallo> ScottK-uds: http://tunnelbroker.net/index.php
[01:36] <\sh> is it still so slow?
[01:37] <ScottK-uds> Dunno.  I'm not actually running it.  I just know about IPv6 cidr math because of an app I was writing that had to get cidr matches right in both IPv4 and IPv6.
[01:38] <\sh> the last time I used a ipv4 <-> ipv6 tunnel...it was slow like hell...
[01:38] <\sh> (for private stuff)
[01:40]  * Nafallo should get IPv6 deployed now that he has a fast enough server to act as router.
[01:40] <ScottK-uds> Why bother unless you don't have enough IP addresses?
[01:40] <Nafallo> because I like new technology
[01:40] <\sh> Nafallo: use a bloody ipv6 enabled router ;) not a server as router ;)
[01:40] <ScottK-uds> OK.
[01:40] <Nafallo> I'm pretty sure I have enough IPv4 :-P
[01:41] <Nafallo> \sh: buy it for me and pay for the colo :-P
[01:41] <\sh> Nafallo: gnarf...
[01:42] <\sh> as long you don't do it for company business you can stay with RIPE private addresses ;)
[01:42] <Nafallo> anyway. one of my transits are a sixxs endpoint :-)
[01:42] <\sh> 192.168.x.y
[01:42] <\sh> that's enough for you ;)
[01:42] <Nafallo> \sh: have enough IPv4 as I said :-)
[01:42] <Nafallo> both PI and PA
[01:42] <Seeker`> IPv6 addresses are a pain to remember
[01:43] <\sh> Seeker`: that's why the great internet god invented the DNS
[01:43] <\sh> holy DNS
[01:43] <Nafallo> also... dead:beef
[01:43] <ScottK-uds> Nafallo and \sh: Did you know whe have a python extension that adds a special data type for CIDR and does all the CIDR math for you in the archive?
[01:44] <Nafallo> ScottK-uds: nope :-)
[01:44] <Seeker`> \sh: It is still useful to be able to remember IP addresses
[01:44] <Nafallo> Seeker`: I remembered my linknets :-)
[01:45] <\sh> Seeker`: yes..for this I always have my notepad (I mean the real one...paper) or my visio topo map
[01:45]  * Nafallo shows Tomboy to \sh  ;-)
[01:45] <\sh> Nafallo: nah....computer dead...tomboy dead too
[01:45] <\sh> Nafallo: we have a database for this...
[01:45] <ScottK-uds> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pysubnettree
[01:46] <Nafallo> for Tomboy notes?
[01:46] <\sh> Nafallo: but all of us are using notepads
[01:46] <\sh> Nafallo: no...ip address mappings to interfaces, machines etc.
[01:46] <Nafallo> ah
[01:46] <Nafallo> DNS ;-)
[01:46] <ScottK-uds> It's a thin Python wrapper on some C, so it's pretty fast.
[01:47] <\sh> Nafallo: asset management via ldap which could create also DNS records, if we have time to improve it...
[01:47] <Nafallo> ya
[01:47] <\sh> but now for something totally different
[01:47]  * \sh wants to test powerdns
[01:48] <\sh> so as I understand: recursor version is the resolver part for outside dns querying?
[01:49] <Nafallo> \sh: what we would call a caching nameserver normally.
[01:50] <Nafallo> whereas the server part is authoritive nameserver
[01:51] <\sh> Nafallo: well, it should cache when I say so it should cache...;)
[01:52] <\sh> damn...we are old
[01:52] <Nafallo> ?
[01:52] <\sh> Nafallo: the version in hardy is already old
[01:53] <Nafallo> ah
[01:53]  * Nafallo prefers bind anyway
[01:54] <\sh> Nafallo: me too...but I want to see if the webfrontend to powerdns is actually useable
[01:55] <Nafallo> not really
[01:55] <Nafallo> but then again... I tend to dislike web frontends
[02:02] <\sh> yeah..forget pdns..
[02:38] <sladen> soren: http://www.paul.sladen.org/ubuntu/upload/ubuntu-vm-builder_0.4-0ubuntu0.1-sladen1.debdiff
[04:22] <mluser-home> How do I upgrade hardy to the new development version?
[04:33] <gnomefreak> mluser-home: update-manager -d  and this should be asked in #ubuntu+1 and its not advised you upgrade yet as it will most likely give you alot of issues since gcc-4.2 adn perl are broken atm if you do a dist upgrade it likely to remove everything that needs perl or gcc4.2
[04:35] <mluser-home> gnomefreak: thanks, I have an extra partition that I'll be using for this.. I dont really care if it breaks.  Just want to keep an eye on the latest development efforts.  Thanks :)
[04:36] <gnomefreak> mluser-home: you might want ot wait until perl is worked out upgrading them causes something like 50 packages for me to be removed one being most important is irssi for me
[04:37] <mluser-home> gnomefreak: thanks for the advice, I'll probably wait a week or two then
[04:38] <gnomefreak> anyone have a bug or status on perl hold backs? im sure its just something that needs a respin but im guessing since that wasnt done that there is a problem with it?
[04:39]  * gnomefreak didnt relize zchat was dependant on perl
[04:39] <gnomefreak> realize even
[04:50]  * cody-somerville wonders how long we should keep the security notice re: SSH pinned at the top of the fridge's front page.
[06:49] <geser> gnomefreak: I'm helping with the perl transition, it's primarily to figure out in which order the *-perl packages needs to get build. But I got slowed down a little bit as I'm waiting for some -perl packages to get synced which blocks a large part
[06:49] <gnomefreak> geser: ah ok thanks
[08:12] <pitti> Good morning
[08:14] <pitti> lifeless: pong
[08:14] <lifeless> pitti: yo
[08:14] <pitti> lifeless: argh latin locales argh? that sounds like a WONTFIX
[08:14] <lifeless> pitti: patches attached
[08:15]  * pitti looks at the bugs
[08:15] <lifeless> pitti: gdm and locales have esperanto, latin is no stranger
[08:15] <pitti> lifeless: ah, *this* Latin :)
[08:16] <pitti> lifeless: I thought it was about providing latin* encoded locales
[08:16] <pitti> lifeless: that's great, thanks!
[08:16] <Keybuk> cody-somerville:
[08:16] <Keybuk> +       // FIXME: potential mem-leak?
[08:16] <Keybuk> +       GtkStyle *style = gtk_style_copy(gtk_widget_get_style(fake));
[08:16] <Keybuk> so, someone got as far as realising that they were leaking memory
[08:16] <Keybuk> BUT NOT AS FAR AS FIXING IT! :)
[08:16] <slangasek> MD5_Update(buf, style);
[08:17] <pitti> lifeless: they need to be converted to a proper debian/patches/ patch and sent upstream, but I can deal with that (unless you beat me to it)
[08:17]  * cody-somerville was just about to download the source.
[08:18] <Keybuk> cody-somerville: see if you can fix it ;)
[08:21] <Keybuk> cody-somerville: if you install notification-daemon-dbgsym from ddebs.ubuntu.com and run notification-daemon under massif again, you'll get the actual relevant function names rather than just "in ubuntu.so"
[08:24] <cody-somerville> Keybuk, aye.
[08:25] <geser> Hi pitti
[08:27] <pitti> hey geser
[08:28] <lifeless> pitti: if you could, that would be cool
[08:28] <lifeless> pitti: I was entirely cargo culting here, my irst time fiddling with locale stuff
[08:29] <pitti> lifeless: sure; I assigned the bug to me, I'll get to it soon
[08:29] <lifeless> thanks!
[08:29] <lifeless> pitti: bugs surely ? :)
[08:29] <pitti> lifeless: right
[08:45]  * soren sighs
[08:46]  * cody-somerville pokes soren in the tummy.
[08:46] <soren> Could an archive admin please REJECT ubuntu-vm-builder 0.4-0ubuntu0.2?
[08:46]  * soren stomps on cody-somerville's foot
[08:47] <StevenK> soren: To hardy-proposed?
[08:48] <StevenK> Keybuk: So, I get permission denied reading from /dev/sdb
[08:48] <StevenK> Keybuk: How can I check this ACL?
[08:49] <Keybuk> getfacl
[08:49] <soren> StevenK: Yup.
[08:49] <pitti> soren: *flush*
[08:50] <StevenK> Keybuk: No ACL on /dev/sdb
[08:51] <slangasek> StevenK: what is /dev/sdb?
[08:51] <StevenK> slangasek: A 1GB USB key
[08:51] <slangasek> and you're logged in to a GNOME desktop on this system?
[08:52] <StevenK> I am
[08:53] <slangasek> want to bring me the USB key, so I can confirm it's not an issue with the USB detection?
[08:53] <StevenK> Sure. You're next door in Oder?
[08:53] <slangasek> platform, yes
[09:01] <ogra> Keybuk_, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/hardy-20080523-1.png
[09:01] <ogra> 19secs
[09:01] <ogra> (fiddling with the depmod)
[10:49] <StevenK> pitti: So, the issue with USB keys is the ACL isn't getting added. PolicyKit screwing up?
[10:53] <pitti> StevenK: do you have a ConsoleKit session? (ck-list-sessions)
[10:53] <StevenK> Yup
[10:55] <StevenK> pitti: Happy to dig, just need some pointers of where to start with the shovel
[10:56] <pitti> StevenK: ck-list-sessions is a good start
[10:57] <pitti> StevenK: but frankly, I'm not even sure whether we currently assign ACLs to USB block devices
[10:57] <pitti> StevenK: I'm just certain for scanners and cameras (PtP, not mass-storage)
[10:57] <slangasek> pitti: evidently not, I'm able to reproduce the issue here
[10:57] <slangasek> pitti: I think they just get magically auto-mounted without bothering to set an ACL
[10:57] <pitti> right, so it seems we just don't do it
[10:57] <slangasek> (which is, after all, the common use case)
[10:57] <pitti> (right)
[11:05] <Hobbsee> ffs.  stupid trolls.
[11:06] <lifeless> ?
[11:18] <Hobbsee> lifeless: people deciding to put in a whole bunch of genesis, pasted into this channel.
[11:18] <lifeless> oh, I didn't see it, muste be someone I have ignored
[11:28] <Q-FUNK> is there any page on e.g. LP where we can see the queue order for the hardy-proposed buildd?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> Q-FUNK: yes buildfarm i just cant remember the links to them (atleast there used to be)
[11:30] <lifeless> james_w: ping; sabdfl is looking to chat
[11:43] <Q-FUNK> gnomefreak: found it. seems the package was done 3 hours ago. I'm just wondeirng when it will be installed.
[11:43] <gnomefreak> what package?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> please dont say firefox
[11:43] <Q-FUNK> xserver-xorg-video-geode
[11:43] <Q-FUNK> fire...sucks
[11:43] <gnomefreak> ah good :)
[11:44] <Q-FUNK> :)
[11:44] <Q-FUNK> bryce, ogra and I are just waiting for this to be installed to be able to debug with real hardware.
[12:03] <Q-FUNK> ogra: package built successfully 3 hours ago, but still not installed.
[14:05] <asac> crimsun: ping
[14:05] <anujalabot> hi
[14:06] <asac> crimsun: can you give me a brief update on the idea of the resurrection of libflashsupport
[14:06] <anuj4ubuntu> I am new bee and I really want to clear my fundamentals for Ubuntu/Linux as I am training to become admin for ubuntu servers
[14:06] <anuj4ubuntu> Pl advice if there free books /Guides on net which i can go through
[14:07] <bryce_> slangasek: when you get a break, timo and I would like to chat with you about the xserver version in hardy
[14:13] <andrew_sayers> anuj4ubuntu: I'm sure there must be.  You'd probably have more luck asking in #ubuntu though.
[14:15] <asac> crimsun: point is i tried flash 10 like 5 days ago with libflashsupport => crash
[14:16] <asac> so please clarify
[14:17] <slangasek> bryce_: madness, I say
[14:17] <bryce_> slangasek: but it's a thin minty stability xserver release :-)
[14:36] <anuj4ubuntu> hi please suggest me free online books of ubuntu/linux as i am new in this
[14:37] <anuj4ubuntu> i am really interested for leaRNING LINUX
[14:37] <anuj4ubuntu> PLZ SUGGEST ME SOME GOOD BOOKS
[14:39] <sads> Joshua 3
[14:39] <sads> Israel Crosses the Jordan
[14:39] <sads>  1 Then Joshua rose early in the morning; and they set out from Acacia Grove[a] and came to th Jordan, he and all the children of Israel, and lodged there before they crossed over. 2 So it was, after three days, that the officers went through the camp; 3 and they commanded the people, saying, .When you see the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, and the priests, thee Levites, bearing it, then you shall set out from your place 
[14:39] <sads> 5 And Joshua said to the people, .Sanctify yourselves, for tomorrow the LORD will do wonders among you.. 6 Then Joshua spoke to the priests, saying, .Take up the ark of the covenant and cross over before the people..
[14:39] <sads> So they took up the ark of the covenant and went before the people.
[14:39] <sads> 7 And the LORD said to Joshua, .This day I will begin to exalt you in the sight of all Israel, that they may know that, as I was with Moses, so I will be with you. 8 You shall command the priests who bear the ark of the covenant, saying, .When you have come to the edge of the water of the Jordan, you shall stand in the Jordan...
[14:39] <sads> 9 So Joshua said to the children of Israel, .Come here, and hear the words of the LORD your God.. 10 And Joshua said, .By this you shall know that the living God is among you, and that He will without fail drive out from before you the Canaanites and the Hittites and the Hivites and the Perizzites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Jebusites: 11 Behold, the ark of the covenant of the Lord of all the earth is crossing over 
[14:39] <sads> 14 So it was, when the people set out from their camp to cross over the Jordan, with the priests bearing the ark of the covenant before the people, 15 and as those who bore the ark came to the Jordan, and the feet of the priests who bore the ark dipped in the edge of the water (for the Jordan overflows all its banks during the whole time of harvest), 16 that the waters which came down from upstream stood still, and rose in a heap ve
[14:39] <cpufreak> thanks
[14:40] <[reed]> thanks
[14:40] <infinity> Keybuk: Too slow. :P
[14:40] <[reed]> team effort, woo!
[14:40] <Pici> again...
[14:40] <StevenK> Twitch
[14:40] <StevenK> Interesting how it's IPv6
[14:41] <Keybuk> well, someone has to use it
[14:41] <infinity> Only Christians, apparently.
[14:41] <StevenK> Haha
[14:41] <Keybuk> IPv6 is the protocol of GOD
[14:41] <StevenK> Who are driven to paste bible quotes into -devel
[14:42] <tjaalton> anuj4ubuntu: maybe no-one knows about free online books here.. try #ubuntu
[14:42] <[reed]> well, we've had the same thing happen on moznet, but the quotes eventually turn into GNAA propaganda
[14:44] <infinity> The sabdfl suffereth no propaganda in Ubuntu channels, save it be that of Free Software.
[14:44] <infinity> Amen.
[14:45] <Keybuk> ITYM Open Source
[14:48] <sabdfl> YOU CALLED?
[14:48] <Darklock> hey \[reed\] :-)
[14:49] <[reed]> Darklock: Hi.
[14:50] <infinity> sabdfl: I think that needed a puff of smoke or something to be more impressive.
[14:52] <sabdfl> infinity: a puff of smoke came out of my caps-lock key, does that count?
[14:52] <infinity> sabdfl: I suppose it'll have to do.
[14:53] <infinity> sabdfl: As dieties go, this seems somewhat ghetto.  I'll buy you a robe or something next conference.
[14:53] <infinity> deities, too.
[15:04] <sabdfl> i'd love to meet the dietie deity, and the tie-die deity too
[15:04] <sabdfl> +1 on the mo' bling front, too
[15:07] <sladen> more bling.  You want *mooore* bling.
[15:07] <sladen> I don't know want to suggest, sprinkling the CDs with gunpowder and magnesium so that the use is user is treated to fireworks on first use
[15:08] <tjaalton> just pop them in a microwave oven, that's blingy ;)
[15:09] <davmor2> sladen: Only on the condition that we perfect the firework art on your machines ;)
[15:10] <j-dizzle> exec kinit -R
[15:10] <j-dizzle> grr not you.
[15:11] <j-dizzle> crap. 3hrs too late.
[15:11] <davmor2> How about a gold leaf "Powered by Ubuntu" sticker for your pc's
[15:24] <thom> sabdfl: is bdale not the tie-die deity?
[15:38] <sabdfl> thom: you have a point there
[15:38] <sabdfl> that might make keithp the diet-y deity
[16:35]  * Hobbsee waits for the lunatic to come bakc.
[16:35] <Hobbsee> (when he does, please ban on sight)
[16:35] <jdavies> Hobbsee: to bad I can do naught
[16:36] <Hobbsee> jdavies: poke thom
[16:36] <jdavies> I think you just did
[17:46] <thom> Hobbsee: eh?
[18:49] <yao_ziyuan> ﻿i suggest that ubuntu set firefox's default sans, serif and mono fonts as bitstream vera ones
[18:50] <ion_> No, better use the fontconfig aliases.
[19:50] <Festor> #461774
[19:57] <foka> Hi!  Is there a way to "Unsubscribe someone else" whom I accidentally subscribed to a bug report?  Thanks!
[20:08] <sistpoty> foka: no, cf. bug #633
[20:09] <foka> sistpoty, Many thanks!
[20:09] <sistpoty> foka: you're welcome ;)
[20:35] <minterior> I'm having problems with recent ubuntu-server upgrade (from 6.06 to 8.04). My system hangs on reboot after init-bottom init script. Anyone knows how to fix it?
[20:37] <minterior> I've read that this is a bug, but I don't know how to fix it
[20:57] <pwnguin> how big is an ubuntu mirror in disk space these days?
[20:57] <pwnguin> 170GB?
[21:28] <jdavies> pwnguin: more, lots more (by what elmo says)
[21:28] <jdavies> pwnguin: you may wish to try asking in #ubuntu-mirrors
[21:28] <pwnguin> jdavies: ah, well the mirrors page says 170
[21:29] <CarlFK> jdavies: why do you ask?
[21:29] <CarlFK> er, not you.... pwnguin
[21:29] <jdavies> CarlFK: I think you mean pwnguin :)
[21:29] <CarlFK> yeah yeah - iz confused
[21:30] <pwnguin> CarlFK: well, some RTpatch idiot wrote me to say apt-rsync would be fine if i just un ar'd the deb, decompressed the tarballs and then untarred that
[21:30] <pwnguin> even at "only" 170GB, that's gotta be massive
[21:31] <CarlFK> im pretty sure I don't want to know any more :)
[21:34] <CarlFK> is there a way to tell the alt installer to use 'basic 80x25 text' and not whatever graphics based text thing it seems to do?
[23:03] <minterior> I'm having problems with recent ubuntu-server upgrade (from 6.06 to 8.04). My system hangs on reboot after init-bottom init script. Anyone knows how to fix it?
[23:04] <minterior> I've read that this is a bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/116727), but I don't know how to fix it
[23:15] <ScottK-uds> minterior_: This is a channel for development only (see /topic).  Help for Ubuntu server is in #ubuntu-server although this is not a particularly good time of day for it.
[23:19] <[reed]> is there a way to search bzr branches for text?
[23:19] <[reed]> like, I have a phrase I want to find where it's located in (a) branch(es)
[23:19] <[reed]> is there a way?
[23:19] <ScottK-uds> I think there is a #bzr channel that would be a good place for such a question.
[23:22] <[reed]> well, it's not a bzr-specific question... it's more of a launchpad question
[23:22] <[reed]> but I can try there...
[23:23] <ScottK-uds> Then #launchpad
[23:23] <[reed]> Thanks.