| === jdavies changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | 8.04 is released: Let's fix any SRU-worthy bugs before the users try the package. | Intrepid open, go wild! https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | QA targets available from http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ | ||
| huats | does anybody can sponsor bug 234463, it is a bit blocking for me right now... | 10:34 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 234463 in libxml-libxml-perl "Please sponsor libxml-libxml-perl_1.66-1ubuntu1 (Rebuild Upload) into intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234463 | 10:34 |
| geser | huats: rebuilds should get a -xbuildy version (if there are no ubuntu changes) | 10:37 |
| geser | and please close your bug in the changelog | 10:38 |
| huats | geser: sure geser for the bug | 10:38 |
| huats | I'll change that right now | 10:38 |
| sebner | huhu cody-somerville | 10:44 |
| cody-somerville | hyea | 10:44 |
| cody-somerville | :) | 10:44 |
| sebner | cody-somerville: recieved my mail? | 10:45 |
| cody-somerville | sebner, yes but I'm not sure what I did, lol | 10:45 |
| sebner | cody-somerville: nvm ^^ | 10:45 |
| * sebner hugs cody-somerville | 10:45 | |
| * cody-somerville wants to know though :( | 10:46 | |
| cody-somerville | Are you sure you don't mean to thank persia? | 10:46 |
| huats | geser: can you have another look at bug 234463 ? | 10:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 234463 in libxml-libxml-perl "Please sponsor libxml-libxml-perl_1.66-1build1 (Rebuild Upload) into intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234463 | 10:57 |
| huats | is it better now ? | 10:57 |
| geser | huats: yes, you just need to wait now for a main sponsor | 10:59 |
| geser | huats: I collect mine perl rebuild debdiffs for main in bug #230016 | 11:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 230016 in ossp-uuid "[intrepid] Rebuild with perl 5.10" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230016 | 11:00 |
| huats | geser: ok | 11:00 |
| huats | geser: do you need any help ? | 11:01 |
| * RAOF notes that Fedora's 'Make a live USB image' howto would be more useful if it didn't start "Install livecd-utils in your Fedora system..." | 11:02 | |
| Laney | I thought that too... | 11:03 |
| geser | huats: once libreadyonly-{,xs-}perl got synced, one can look again which -perl packages can be given-back (see the FTBFS list) | 11:04 |
| huats | ok | 11:05 |
| huats | geser: well if you need help for this task, just let me know... | 11:05 |
| geser | huats: the main part is to figure in which order the -perl package needs to get build/given-back | 11:06 |
| geser | huats: will do | 11:06 |
| leifdk1978 | hey does building pacages requrire programming knowlege like c++ or | 11:09 |
| geser | no, more how a Makefile looks like | 11:10 |
| leifdk1978 | ahh that one i know :) | 11:10 |
| leifdk1978 | just wondered if i could be of help | 11:11 |
| geser | help is always needed :) | 11:12 |
| leifdk1978 | cool just need a pointer in the rigth direction | 11:13 |
| leifdk1978 | is there a place to get source code or tar.gz/bz2 files and to know where to start | 11:15 |
| ruiboon_ | leifdk1978: you can get the sources of many packages using apt-get source pkgname | 11:16 |
| leifdk1978 | ohhh nice | 11:16 |
| leifdk1978 | do motu hava a wike or | 11:18 |
| huats | leifdk1978: have a look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu | 11:18 |
| huats | geser: I just put the rebuild for libdbd-sqlite3-perl | 11:24 |
| leifdk1978 | hmm so this thing is just to make deb files and fix any realy easy bugs or | 11:25 |
| geser | huats: see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdbd-sqlite3-perl/+bug/230016/comments/24 :) | 11:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 230016 in libdbd-sqlite3-perl "[intrepid] Rebuild with perl 5.10" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 11:29 |
| huats | geser: ok you have a point | 11:30 |
| huats | :) | 11:30 |
| geser | I've set it back to New so it doesn't get overlooked by a main sponsor | 11:31 |
| huats | sure | 11:31 |
| huats | I mean remove my | 11:32 |
| huats | debdiff and stuffs | 11:32 |
| huats | you did it firet ;) | 11:32 |
| huats | first | 11:32 |
| huats | well I let you do as you planed geser :) | 11:38 |
| huats | once again ping/mail me if you need help... | 11:38 |
| huats | got to go soon but I might be available to do stuff in the we | 11:39 |
| thp | how can I get an updated universe package into hardy? | 11:54 |
| geser | thp: what kind of update? | 11:55 |
| thp | a new upstream version of a package that fixes lots of bugs in the version that is currently available in hardy (gpodder) | 11:56 |
| geser | the best approach would be through a hardy-backport (if the new version is already in intrepid) | 11:58 |
| geser | huats: if you interested: rrdtool (main) needs a merge (for the perl 5.10 transition) | 12:04 |
| huats | geser: ok I'll have a look | 12:05 |
| huats | geser: cannot find it on dad | 12:06 |
| huats | sorry I haven't seen it was on main | 12:07 |
| huats | .. | 12:07 |
| geser | huats: ming (universe) needs also a merge (please check if bug #174956 can be easily fixed) | 12:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 174956 in ming "pc file non installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174956 | 12:09 |
| huats | geser: ok I cannot do it right now, but I keep that on my mind and I let you know soon about... | 12:14 |
| huats | thanks | 12:14 |
| pwang | just a little moan here guys. why is firefox 3 rc1 not released for hardy yet? it's released for intrepid. | 12:19 |
| pwang | just a little moan here guys. why is firefox 3 rc1 not released for hardy yet? it's released for intrepid. | 12:21 |
| pwang | *sigh* i guess i'll have to go with the launchpad package instead. | 12:22 |
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| Laney | slangasek: Mind if I take the pdns merge? | 13:35 |
| \sh | moins | 13:42 |
| \sh | Ng: I just filed a bug report about terminator segfaulting when no $DISPLAY is set :) | 13:43 |
| \sh | the backport procedure is somehow complicated | 13:56 |
| leifdk1978 | hmm this thing motu seeem ok fun | 14:07 |
| \sh | "this thing motu"? | 14:11 |
| leifdk1978 | to make new versions of deb files a bit complex but fun and help full | 14:12 |
| \sh | nah...generating debian packages is not as hard as playing with rpm source packages where the whole package info and build info and post/pre-inst/rm stuff is inside one file and you need to read weired rpm macros :( | 14:14 |
| jdavies | \sh: pity he left | 14:15 |
| \sh | that's life ;) | 14:16 |
| Iulian | Troll? | 14:17 |
| jdavies | Iulian: think Harry Potter | 14:17 |
| * Iulian smiles | 14:18 | |
| \sh | uh...my first propose to merge branch .. | 15:24 |
| bddebian | Heya gang | 15:28 |
| sebner | hihu bddebian | 15:29 |
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| bddebian | Hi sebner | 15:37 |
| jdong | urgh stupid slow airport wifi | 15:42 |
| jdong | I guess beggars can't be choosers | 15:42 |
| LucidFox | smarter, you here? | 16:31 |
| smarter | yep | 16:31 |
| LucidFox | You don't need to use REVU to update packages already submitted to Ubuntu | 16:31 |
| LucidFox | File a bug on LP for qdevelop and attach the diff.gz for the new version, and I'll sponsor it | 16:32 |
| smarter | okay, didn't know that | 16:32 |
| smarter | thanks | 16:32 |
| smarter | feel free to nuke the upload then ;) | 16:33 |
| LucidFox | okay | 16:33 |
| smarter | what is the "Updated packages" for in revu? | 16:34 |
| LucidFox | archived | 16:34 |
| LucidFox | From what I understand, it's a remnant from before this practice was developed | 16:34 |
| smarter | ok | 16:35 |
| smarter | LucidFox: bug #234605 | 16:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 234605 in qdevelop "Please sponsor qdevelop 0.25.2+svn080522-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234605 | 16:47 |
| LucidFox | smarter> will do | 16:47 |
| smarter | thanks | 16:47 |
| LucidFox | wait... debdiff? | 16:48 |
| LucidFox | I asked for diff.gz | 16:48 |
| LucidFox | a debdiff will be huge, it will include all upstream changes | 16:48 |
| LucidFox | debdiffs are for changes within the same upstream version, e.g. from -0ubuntu1 to -0ubuntu2 | 16:50 |
| smarter | oh sorry, didn't realise ^^' | 16:52 |
| * smarter uploads the diff.gz and tar.gz right now | 16:53 | |
| smarter | LucidFox: done | 16:56 |
| LucidFox | smarter> thanks, will upload | 16:57 |
| LucidFox | the orig.tar.gz isn't necessary, by the wa | 16:58 |
| LucidFox | y | 16:58 |
| smarter | LucidFox: why? | 17:01 |
| LucidFox | because it can be created with get-orig-source | 17:02 |
| smarter | yes, but then you will get today snapshot and need to change the version number in debian/changelog | 17:03 |
| Festor | Is there a problem with the PPA? | 17:30 |
| Festor | see this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/156872 | 17:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 156872 in launchpad "PPA: packaged passing from uploaded to published without trying to build" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:30 |
| Festor | Already 10 hours have passed and still no package. I can only see the sources. | 17:30 |
| LucidFox | smarter> uploaded | 18:22 |
| emgent | hello | 19:24 |
| \sh | oh prague is coming home | 19:25 |
| devfil | hi emgent! | 19:28 |
| emgent | Yeah \sh :) | 19:43 |
| sebner | \sh: why weren't you in prague? I think it will never be so near in the near feature | 19:59 |
| \sh | sebner, time contraints | 20:00 |
| \sh | sebner, I have to earn money :) | 20:00 |
| sebner | \sh: what a pitty | 20:00 |
| sebner | \sh: bah money ^^. btw, why is gentoo bad on servers? ^^ | 20:00 |
| \sh | oh...I have to repeat my speech from 2006 ;) | 20:01 |
| sebner | \sh: was using XP at that time :P | 20:01 |
| \sh | sebner, gentoo will never have a real "stable release" as we know it from rh, deb, ubu, suse | 20:01 |
| pwnguin | heh, i just cleaned up the office in my mom's house and found a gentoo installer from 2002 | 20:02 |
| sebner | \sh: this sucks for servers but on the desktop it's the best you can do. Damn ubuntu :P | 20:02 |
| \sh | gentoo is dynamic...which is good for a source based distro... | 20:02 |
| \sh | sebner, no it sucks | 20:02 |
| \sh | sebner, you sit the whole day and compile software but you don't use it | 20:02 |
| sebner | \sh: argh. only bleeding edge is rue | 20:02 |
| sebner | \sh: ah gentoo. ok ^^ | 20:02 |
| pwnguin | with gentoo, you can't really hold off on updates for very long | 20:02 |
| directhex | gentoo doesn't need a bugzilla though - if someone reports a bug, just update the package, and say the bug is invalid because it was filed against an old version! | 20:03 |
| \sh | indeed, gentoo is nice for software people who needs the latest software for their development... | 20:03 |
| \sh | but for stability and reliabilty gentoo is wrong | 20:03 |
| \sh | I was blind these days...I'll pray that I'll never do such a mistake again...never ever promised | 20:04 |
| \sh | lol | 20:04 |
| pwnguin | oh the other hand, our cluster admin enjoys gentoo | 20:06 |
| directhex | pwnguin, lies | 20:06 |
| pwnguin | lots of CPUs mounted on an NFS boot saves a bit on that whole compile thing | 20:06 |
| pwnguin | compiles the kernel in 26 seconds it does | 20:07 |
| directhex | who in their right mind uses gentoo on a cluster? | 20:07 |
| pwnguin | instead of? | 20:07 |
| directhex | something with some actual support - from both the vendor and the guys making third party apps like abaqus | 20:09 |
| pwnguin | na | 20:09 |
| pwnguin | its academic | 20:10 |
| pwnguin | the whole department's servers run gentoo anyways | 20:10 |
| directhex | madness :| | 20:10 |
| pwnguin | according to the sysadmins, the dept's needs were too demanding for debian | 20:11 |
| pwnguin | too many "please install this software i wrote" etc | 20:11 |
| directhex | still madness! | 20:11 |
| pwnguin | probably | 20:11 |
| pwnguin | on the other hand, they didnt have to expire two years worth of ssh keys | 20:12 |
| \sh | pwnguin, they don't know it yet ,-) | 20:12 |
| pwnguin | directhex: im sure theres a redhat server somewhere running oracle | 20:13 |
| pwnguin | but for the most part, the dept supports itself it seems | 20:13 |
| \sh | gentoo has its reasons to be there...and I'm thankful for people who ran and used gentoo...they are known to put away more pain and are not children anymore | 20:14 |
| directhex | i like vendor support. being able to send them core dumps & say "it breaks, fix it!" is a better situation that feeling around in the dark | 20:14 |
| \sh | directhex, do that with adobe | 20:15 |
| pwnguin | define vendor | 20:15 |
| pwnguin | adobe? | 20:15 |
| pwnguin | dell? | 20:15 |
| directhex | pwnguin, sgi, dell, people like that | 20:15 |
| \sh | "Dear Adobe, your FMS3 doesn't honour your umask settings...even if it says different" | 20:15 |
| pwnguin | well, the company they buy hardware for does that | 20:15 |
| pwnguin | for "linux" | 20:15 |
| pwnguin | i dont know the details, but i know they've been back and forth about hardware support a few times | 20:16 |
| \sh | anyways...I'm the only one, at least in the company of this customer, who had the experience with gentoo...and I was wrong to believe they could learn the gentoo ways these days...now they know the confixx way of doing things, and I'm fcked, because I have to fix the shit | 20:20 |
| \sh | that's why gentoo was a sin...and I have to be punished for that | 20:20 |
| pwnguin | \sh: it's probably a bit different with a campus Computer Science department with a large gentoo user base in the LUG | 20:21 |
| \sh | pwnguin, yes...as I said, gentoo needs to be there...I'm not blaming gentoo for my mistake :) | 20:22 |
| \sh | I blame myself | 20:22 |
| \sh | it cost me again hours of my life... | 20:22 |
| \sh | lucky i've been, two years ago, this company had still 7 gentoo servers of me ;) they replaced 6 of them with centos , because they don't want to pay RHEL money ;) | 20:23 |
| \sh | but this one...the whole mail infrastructure , incoming and outgoing :( they are frightened to replace this server, too...and yesterday somewhat around midday their harddrives were 100% full ;) | 20:24 |
| pwnguin | anyways, i think the main campus computing services uses solaris for the paid support | 20:25 |
| \sh | oh guys, terminator is really lovely .. the new release will rock ;) | 20:45 |
| emgent | \sh: sure! terminator rocks! | 21:32 |
| sebner | bah. all this advertisment ^^ | 21:33 |
| emgent | ScottK: big lol! | 21:33 |
| sebner | emgent: got your question anwered? | 21:33 |
| sebner | *answered | 21:33 |
| emgent | no | 21:33 |
| emgent | http://en.emanuele-gentili.com/index.php/2008/05/24/ubuntu-developers-summit-some-photos/#comments | 21:34 |
| emgent | hahaha | 21:34 |
| sebner | emgent: linus torvalds xD hey but that's somehow true =) | 21:35 |
| norsetto | howdy | 21:54 |
| sebner | hiuhu norsetto | 21:54 |
| emgent | o/ norsetto | 21:56 |
| norsetto | hey emgent, so, you left the italian community too .... | 21:56 |
| sebner | norsetto: I didn't left the italian community but also don't want to be ignored :P | 21:57 |
| emgent | norsetto: yes | 21:58 |
| \sh | oh god...pitti like aseigo | 21:58 |
| \sh | no ways | 21:58 |
| emgent | hehe | 21:58 |
| norsetto | sebner: do you want me to kiss you wildly in public? | 21:59 |
| \sh | and scottk looks like linus? hell...this john guy doesn't have a clue about age ,-) | 21:59 |
| * RoAkSoAx hi yall xD | 21:59 | |
| \sh | norsetto, *ROTFLBTC* | 21:59 |
| sebner | norsetto: public? public IRC yes :P | 21:59 |
| emgent | norsetto: where do you read the news? | 21:59 |
| \sh | oh damn... | 22:00 |
| \sh | I need to get up at 6 tomorrow...and I need to shave | 22:00 |
| emgent | \sh: heya man! | 22:00 |
| emgent | argh | 22:00 |
| sebner | baba \sh | 22:00 |
| norsetto | emgent: ubuntu-it-dev m.l. | 22:01 |
| \sh | I wonder why people hate my captcha :) | 22:01 |
| norsetto | \sh: is that an article about UDS!? | 22:02 |
| \sh | norsetto, hmm? | 22:02 |
| norsetto | \sh: [22:59] <\sh> and scottk looks like linus? hell...this john guy doesn't have a clue about age ,-) | 22:02 |
| \sh | norsetto, yeah it's a comment on emgents blog | 22:02 |
| \sh | about uds pictures | 22:02 |
| emgent | yes | 22:03 |
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| norsetto | \sh: too bad you weren't there, I would have been happy to meet you | 22:03 |
| \sh | norsetto, well...the invitation came too late and I really don't have the time...this coming week the LT fair...it was hard to get holiday from work | 22:04 |
| emgent | mee to \sh | 22:04 |
| emgent | s/to/too/ | 22:04 |
| \sh | norsetto, what about next UDS ? ;) | 22:04 |
| \sh | norsetto, we are young enough :) | 22:05 |
| norsetto | \sh: indeed ;-) | 22:05 |
| emgent | hehehe | 22:05 |
| \sh | norsetto, and at least..italy is not far away .. a short jump over swiss and I'm there ;) | 22:05 |
| sebner | \sh norsetto emgent : Did you participate at the daniel flashhug? ^^ | 22:05 |
| sebner | \sh: AUSTRIA ole ole | 22:06 |
| emgent | sebner: yes! | 22:06 |
| emgent | see youtube video, I'm in. :) | 22:06 |
| norsetto | sebner: I refrained, another 100 kg could have been too much ... | 22:06 |
| sebner | hehe | 22:06 |
| sebner | emgent: well I couldn't recognise anybody except jono and daniel ^^ | 22:07 |
| norsetto | \sh: yeah, I talked with Claire about the next European UDS, I hope we will be able to do that in Rome | 22:07 |
| \sh | norsetto, hmmm?? I thought we will have a nice UDS somewhere in brasilia with nice chicks and hot drinks ;) far away from home so nobody can see us ;) | 22:08 |
| \sh | well...just an idea... | 22:08 |
| norsetto | \sh: Brasil? Hmmmm, I think I like that | 22:09 |
| \sh | guys, I really need to go...shaving and to bed tomorrow morning 4 o'clock UTC the night is over | 22:09 |
| \sh | cu tomorrow :) | 22:09 |
| RoAkSoAx | nxvl, wanted to propose Perú for the next UDS | 22:09 |
| norsetto | \sh: good night | 22:10 |
| emgent | woow Peru` ? | 22:11 |
| sebner | google is everywhere xD | 22:12 |
| sebner | google maps/earth xD | 22:12 |
| RoAkSoAx | ember, yeah!! Cusco maybe xD | 22:12 |
| * norsetto wonders if there is any motu-sru team member around | 22:13 | |
| RoAkSoAx | emgent, yeah!! Cusco maybe xD (Where macchu picchu is xD) | 22:17 |
| * norsetto thinks we should get rid of hit-and-run packages like memaker | 22:30 | |
| Gralco | hey guys | 22:34 |
| sebner | norsetto: hmm? hit and run? | 22:35 |
| norsetto | sebner: call it package-and-forget | 22:36 |
| Gralco | how exactly does pbuilder work | 22:37 |
| sebner | norsetto: but why? | 22:37 |
| norsetto | sebner: why what? | 22:37 |
| norsetto | !pbuilder | gralco | 22:38 |
| sebner | norsetto: why package and forget? Have you anything against it? | 22:38 |
| ubottu | gralco: pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 22:38 |
| Gralco | i know what it is | 22:38 |
| norsetto | sebner: I have everything against it | 22:38 |
| sebner | norsetto: lol. why? | 22:38 |
| Gralco | its just when i went through the package managing guide i got lost | 22:38 |
| norsetto | sebner: because, what good to the distro is having stuff which is broken and unmaintained? | 22:39 |
| sebner | norsetto: broken and unmaintained? If that's true and you are right with your package and forget thing | 22:40 |
| sebner | norsetto: but I thought they were busy developing and getting it into ubuntu as important part | 22:43 |
| Laney | It's weird that Memaker installs itself into System->Preferences | 22:44 |
| sebner | Laney: maybe really b0rken | 22:46 |
| Gralco | I turn an application in to Brian Murray for the ubuntu bug control team a week ago and I still haven't had any notice from it. | 22:46 |
| Laney | Gralco: Try #ubuntu-bugs for that | 22:46 |
| norsetto | sebner: it can be the greatest software on the planet, but if its broken and unmainteined I still think its wrong to have it | 22:46 |
| Gralco | how long does it usually take | 22:46 |
| sebner | norsetto: and are you sure that it is? | 22:46 |
| Gralco | laney okay | 22:47 |
| norsetto | sebner: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memaker/ | 22:48 |
| sebner | norsetto: ok bugs but https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memaker/+bug/204595 | 22:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 204595 in memaker "Upgrade MeMaker package to latest upstream version" [Undecided,In progress] | 22:49 |
| norsetto | sebner: yes, exactly what I mean .... | 22:49 |
| sebner | norsetto: but it seems that upstream isn't dead so no not what you mean ;) | 22:50 |
| norsetto | sebner: and what good is upstream if nobody takes care of it in the distro? | 22:50 |
| sebner | norsetto: the MOTUs do :) | 22:51 |
| Laney | norsetto: But the upgrade bug is "In Progress", so someone is looking at it | 22:52 |
| norsetto | g'night all | 23:27 |
| emgent | night Cesare | 23:27 |
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