=== jdavies changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | 8.04 is released: Let's fix any SRU-worthy bugs before the users try the package. | Intrepid open, go wild! https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | QA targets available from http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ [10:34] does anybody can sponsor bug 234463, it is a bit blocking for me right now... [10:34] Launchpad bug 234463 in libxml-libxml-perl "Please sponsor libxml-libxml-perl_1.66-1ubuntu1 (Rebuild Upload) into intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234463 [10:37] huats: rebuilds should get a -xbuildy version (if there are no ubuntu changes) [10:38] and please close your bug in the changelog [10:38] geser: sure geser for the bug [10:38] I'll change that right now [10:44] huhu cody-somerville [10:44] hyea [10:44] :) [10:45] cody-somerville: recieved my mail? [10:45] sebner, yes but I'm not sure what I did, lol [10:45] cody-somerville: nvm ^^ [10:45] * sebner hugs cody-somerville [10:46] * cody-somerville wants to know though :( [10:46] Are you sure you don't mean to thank persia? [10:57] geser: can you have another look at bug 234463 ? [10:57] Launchpad bug 234463 in libxml-libxml-perl "Please sponsor libxml-libxml-perl_1.66-1build1 (Rebuild Upload) into intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234463 [10:57] is it better now ? [10:59] huats: yes, you just need to wait now for a main sponsor [11:00] huats: I collect mine perl rebuild debdiffs for main in bug #230016 [11:00] Launchpad bug 230016 in ossp-uuid "[intrepid] Rebuild with perl 5.10" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230016 [11:00] geser: ok [11:01] geser: do you need any help ? [11:02] * RAOF notes that Fedora's 'Make a live USB image' howto would be more useful if it didn't start "Install livecd-utils in your Fedora system..." [11:03] I thought that too... [11:04] huats: once libreadyonly-{,xs-}perl got synced, one can look again which -perl packages can be given-back (see the FTBFS list) [11:05] ok [11:05] geser: well if you need help for this task, just let me know... [11:06] huats: the main part is to figure in which order the -perl package needs to get build/given-back [11:06] huats: will do [11:09] hey does building pacages requrire programming knowlege like c++ or [11:10] no, more how a Makefile looks like [11:10] ahh that one i know :) [11:11] just wondered if i could be of help [11:12] help is always needed :) [11:13] cool just need a pointer in the rigth direction [11:15] is there a place to get source code or tar.gz/bz2 files and to know where to start [11:16] leifdk1978: you can get the sources of many packages using apt-get source pkgname [11:16] ohhh nice [11:18] do motu hava a wike or [11:18] leifdk1978: have a look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu [11:24] geser: I just put the rebuild for libdbd-sqlite3-perl [11:25] hmm so this thing is just to make deb files and fix any realy easy bugs or [11:29] huats: see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdbd-sqlite3-perl/+bug/230016/comments/24 :) [11:29] Launchpad bug 230016 in libdbd-sqlite3-perl "[intrepid] Rebuild with perl 5.10" [Undecided,Fix committed] [11:30] geser: ok you have a point [11:30] :) [11:31] I've set it back to New so it doesn't get overlooked by a main sponsor [11:31] sure [11:32] I mean remove my [11:32] debdiff and stuffs [11:32] you did it firet ;) [11:32] first [11:38] well I let you do as you planed geser :) [11:38] once again ping/mail me if you need help... [11:39] got to go soon but I might be available to do stuff in the we [11:54] how can I get an updated universe package into hardy? [11:55] thp: what kind of update? [11:56] a new upstream version of a package that fixes lots of bugs in the version that is currently available in hardy (gpodder) [11:58] the best approach would be through a hardy-backport (if the new version is already in intrepid) [12:04] huats: if you interested: rrdtool (main) needs a merge (for the perl 5.10 transition) [12:05] geser: ok I'll have a look [12:06] geser: cannot find it on dad [12:07] sorry I haven't seen it was on main [12:07] .. [12:09] huats: ming (universe) needs also a merge (please check if bug #174956 can be easily fixed) [12:09] Launchpad bug 174956 in ming "pc file non installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174956 [12:14] geser: ok I cannot do it right now, but I keep that on my mind and I let you know soon about... [12:14] thanks [12:19] just a little moan here guys. why is firefox 3 rc1 not released for hardy yet? it's released for intrepid. [12:21] just a little moan here guys. why is firefox 3 rc1 not released for hardy yet? it's released for intrepid. [12:22] *sigh* i guess i'll have to go with the launchpad package instead. === ember_ is now known as ember [13:35] slangasek: Mind if I take the pdns merge? [13:42] <\sh> moins [13:43] <\sh> Ng: I just filed a bug report about terminator segfaulting when no $DISPLAY is set :) [13:56] <\sh> the backport procedure is somehow complicated [14:07] hmm this thing motu seeem ok fun [14:11] <\sh> "this thing motu"? [14:12] to make new versions of deb files a bit complex but fun and help full [14:14] <\sh> nah...generating debian packages is not as hard as playing with rpm source packages where the whole package info and build info and post/pre-inst/rm stuff is inside one file and you need to read weired rpm macros :( [14:15] \sh: pity he left [14:16] <\sh> that's life ;) [14:17] Troll? [14:17] Iulian: think Harry Potter [14:18] * Iulian smiles [15:24] <\sh> uh...my first propose to merge branch .. [15:28] Heya gang [15:29] hihu bddebian === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi [15:37] Hi sebner [15:42] urgh stupid slow airport wifi [15:42] I guess beggars can't be choosers [16:31] smarter, you here? [16:31] yep [16:31] You don't need to use REVU to update packages already submitted to Ubuntu [16:32] File a bug on LP for qdevelop and attach the diff.gz for the new version, and I'll sponsor it [16:32] okay, didn't know that [16:32] thanks [16:33] feel free to nuke the upload then ;) [16:33] okay [16:34] what is the "Updated packages" for in revu? [16:34] archived [16:34] From what I understand, it's a remnant from before this practice was developed [16:35] ok [16:47] LucidFox: bug #234605 [16:47] Launchpad bug 234605 in qdevelop "Please sponsor qdevelop 0.25.2+svn080522-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234605 [16:47] smarter> will do [16:47] thanks [16:48] wait... debdiff? [16:48] I asked for diff.gz [16:48] a debdiff will be huge, it will include all upstream changes [16:50] debdiffs are for changes within the same upstream version, e.g. from -0ubuntu1 to -0ubuntu2 [16:52] oh sorry, didn't realise ^^' [16:53] * smarter uploads the diff.gz and tar.gz right now [16:56] LucidFox: done [16:57] smarter> thanks, will upload [16:58] the orig.tar.gz isn't necessary, by the wa [16:58] y [17:01] LucidFox: why? [17:02] because it can be created with get-orig-source [17:03] yes, but then you will get today snapshot and need to change the version number in debian/changelog [17:30] Is there a problem with the PPA? [17:30] see this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/156872 [17:30] Launchpad bug 156872 in launchpad "PPA: packaged passing from uploaded to published without trying to build" [Undecided,Confirmed] [17:30] Already 10 hours have passed and still no package. I can only see the sources. [18:22] smarter> uploaded [19:24] hello [19:25] <\sh> oh prague is coming home [19:28] hi emgent! [19:43] Yeah \sh :) [19:59] \sh: why weren't you in prague? I think it will never be so near in the near feature [20:00] <\sh> sebner, time contraints [20:00] <\sh> sebner, I have to earn money :) [20:00] \sh: what a pitty [20:00] \sh: bah money ^^. btw, why is gentoo bad on servers? ^^ [20:01] <\sh> oh...I have to repeat my speech from 2006 ;) [20:01] \sh: was using XP at that time :P [20:01] <\sh> sebner, gentoo will never have a real "stable release" as we know it from rh, deb, ubu, suse [20:02] heh, i just cleaned up the office in my mom's house and found a gentoo installer from 2002 [20:02] \sh: this sucks for servers but on the desktop it's the best you can do. Damn ubuntu :P [20:02] <\sh> gentoo is dynamic...which is good for a source based distro... [20:02] <\sh> sebner, no it sucks [20:02] <\sh> sebner, you sit the whole day and compile software but you don't use it [20:02] \sh: argh. only bleeding edge is rue [20:02] \sh: ah gentoo. ok ^^ [20:02] with gentoo, you can't really hold off on updates for very long [20:03] gentoo doesn't need a bugzilla though - if someone reports a bug, just update the package, and say the bug is invalid because it was filed against an old version! [20:03] <\sh> indeed, gentoo is nice for software people who needs the latest software for their development... [20:03] <\sh> but for stability and reliabilty gentoo is wrong [20:04] <\sh> I was blind these days...I'll pray that I'll never do such a mistake again...never ever promised [20:04] <\sh> lol [20:06] oh the other hand, our cluster admin enjoys gentoo [20:06] pwnguin, lies [20:06] lots of CPUs mounted on an NFS boot saves a bit on that whole compile thing [20:07] compiles the kernel in 26 seconds it does [20:07] who in their right mind uses gentoo on a cluster? [20:07] instead of? [20:09] something with some actual support - from both the vendor and the guys making third party apps like abaqus [20:09] na [20:10] its academic [20:10] the whole department's servers run gentoo anyways [20:10] madness :| [20:11] according to the sysadmins, the dept's needs were too demanding for debian [20:11] too many "please install this software i wrote" etc [20:11] still madness! [20:11] probably [20:12] on the other hand, they didnt have to expire two years worth of ssh keys [20:12] <\sh> pwnguin, they don't know it yet ,-) [20:13] directhex: im sure theres a redhat server somewhere running oracle [20:13] but for the most part, the dept supports itself it seems [20:14] <\sh> gentoo has its reasons to be there...and I'm thankful for people who ran and used gentoo...they are known to put away more pain and are not children anymore [20:14] i like vendor support. being able to send them core dumps & say "it breaks, fix it!" is a better situation that feeling around in the dark [20:15] <\sh> directhex, do that with adobe [20:15] define vendor [20:15] adobe? [20:15] dell? [20:15] pwnguin, sgi, dell, people like that [20:15] <\sh> "Dear Adobe, your FMS3 doesn't honour your umask settings...even if it says different" [20:15] well, the company they buy hardware for does that [20:15] for "linux" [20:16] i dont know the details, but i know they've been back and forth about hardware support a few times [20:20] <\sh> anyways...I'm the only one, at least in the company of this customer, who had the experience with gentoo...and I was wrong to believe they could learn the gentoo ways these days...now they know the confixx way of doing things, and I'm fcked, because I have to fix the shit [20:20] <\sh> that's why gentoo was a sin...and I have to be punished for that [20:21] \sh: it's probably a bit different with a campus Computer Science department with a large gentoo user base in the LUG [20:22] <\sh> pwnguin, yes...as I said, gentoo needs to be there...I'm not blaming gentoo for my mistake :) [20:22] <\sh> I blame myself [20:22] <\sh> it cost me again hours of my life... [20:23] <\sh> lucky i've been, two years ago, this company had still 7 gentoo servers of me ;) they replaced 6 of them with centos , because they don't want to pay RHEL money ;) [20:24] <\sh> but this one...the whole mail infrastructure , incoming and outgoing :( they are frightened to replace this server, too...and yesterday somewhat around midday their harddrives were 100% full ;) [20:25] anyways, i think the main campus computing services uses solaris for the paid support [20:45] <\sh> oh guys, terminator is really lovely .. the new release will rock ;) [21:32] \sh: sure! terminator rocks! [21:33] bah. all this advertisment ^^ [21:33] ScottK: big lol! [21:33] emgent: got your question anwered? [21:33] *answered [21:33] no [21:34] http://en.emanuele-gentili.com/index.php/2008/05/24/ubuntu-developers-summit-some-photos/#comments [21:34] hahaha [21:35] emgent: linus torvalds xD hey but that's somehow true =) [21:54] howdy [21:54] hiuhu norsetto [21:56] o/ norsetto [21:56] hey emgent, so, you left the italian community too .... [21:57] norsetto: I didn't left the italian community but also don't want to be ignored :P [21:58] norsetto: yes [21:58] <\sh> oh god...pitti like aseigo [21:58] <\sh> no ways [21:58] hehe [21:59] sebner: do you want me to kiss you wildly in public? [21:59] <\sh> and scottk looks like linus? hell...this john guy doesn't have a clue about age ,-) [21:59] * RoAkSoAx hi yall xD [21:59] <\sh> norsetto, *ROTFLBTC* [21:59] norsetto: public? public IRC yes :P [21:59] norsetto: where do you read the news? [22:00] <\sh> oh damn... [22:00] <\sh> I need to get up at 6 tomorrow...and I need to shave [22:00] \sh: heya man! [22:00] argh [22:00] baba \sh [22:01] emgent: ubuntu-it-dev m.l. [22:01] <\sh> I wonder why people hate my captcha :) [22:02] \sh: is that an article about UDS!? [22:02] <\sh> norsetto, hmm? [22:02] \sh: [22:59] <\sh> and scottk looks like linus? hell...this john guy doesn't have a clue about age ,-) [22:02] <\sh> norsetto, yeah it's a comment on emgents blog [22:02] <\sh> about uds pictures [22:03] yes === ember_ is now known as ember [22:03] \sh: too bad you weren't there, I would have been happy to meet you [22:04] <\sh> norsetto, well...the invitation came too late and I really don't have the time...this coming week the LT fair...it was hard to get holiday from work [22:04] mee to \sh [22:04] s/to/too/ [22:04] <\sh> norsetto, what about next UDS ? ;) [22:05] <\sh> norsetto, we are young enough :) [22:05] \sh: indeed ;-) [22:05] hehehe [22:05] <\sh> norsetto, and at least..italy is not far away .. a short jump over swiss and I'm there ;) [22:05] \sh norsetto emgent : Did you participate at the daniel flashhug? ^^ [22:06] \sh: AUSTRIA ole ole [22:06] sebner: yes! [22:06] see youtube video, I'm in. :) [22:06] sebner: I refrained, another 100 kg could have been too much ... [22:06] hehe [22:07] emgent: well I couldn't recognise anybody except jono and daniel ^^ [22:07] \sh: yeah, I talked with Claire about the next European UDS, I hope we will be able to do that in Rome [22:08] <\sh> norsetto, hmmm?? I thought we will have a nice UDS somewhere in brasilia with nice chicks and hot drinks ;) far away from home so nobody can see us ;) [22:08] <\sh> well...just an idea... [22:09] \sh: Brasil? Hmmmm, I think I like that [22:09] <\sh> guys, I really need to go...shaving and to bed tomorrow morning 4 o'clock UTC the night is over [22:09] <\sh> cu tomorrow :) [22:09] nxvl, wanted to propose Perú for the next UDS [22:10] \sh: good night [22:11] woow Peru` ? [22:12] google is everywhere xD [22:12] google maps/earth xD [22:12] ember, yeah!! Cusco maybe xD [22:13] * norsetto wonders if there is any motu-sru team member around [22:17] emgent, yeah!! Cusco maybe xD (Where macchu picchu is xD) [22:30] * norsetto thinks we should get rid of hit-and-run packages like memaker [22:34] hey guys [22:35] norsetto: hmm? hit and run? [22:36] sebner: call it package-and-forget [22:37] how exactly does pbuilder work [22:37] norsetto: but why? [22:37] sebner: why what? [22:38] !pbuilder | gralco [22:38] norsetto: why package and forget? Have you anything against it? [22:38] gralco: pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [22:38] i know what it is [22:38] sebner: I have everything against it [22:38] norsetto: lol. why? [22:38] its just when i went through the package managing guide i got lost [22:39] sebner: because, what good to the distro is having stuff which is broken and unmaintained? [22:40] norsetto: broken and unmaintained? If that's true and you are right with your package and forget thing [22:43] norsetto: but I thought they were busy developing and getting it into ubuntu as important part [22:44] It's weird that Memaker installs itself into System->Preferences [22:46] Laney: maybe really b0rken [22:46] I turn an application in to Brian Murray for the ubuntu bug control team a week ago and I still haven't had any notice from it. [22:46] Gralco: Try #ubuntu-bugs for that [22:46] sebner: it can be the greatest software on the planet, but if its broken and unmainteined I still think its wrong to have it [22:46] how long does it usually take [22:46] norsetto: and are you sure that it is? [22:47] laney okay [22:48] sebner: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memaker/ [22:49] norsetto: ok bugs but https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memaker/+bug/204595 [22:49] Launchpad bug 204595 in memaker "Upgrade MeMaker package to latest upstream version" [Undecided,In progress] [22:49] sebner: yes, exactly what I mean .... [22:50] norsetto: but it seems that upstream isn't dead so no not what you mean ;) [22:50] sebner: and what good is upstream if nobody takes care of it in the distro? [22:51] norsetto: the MOTUs do :) [22:52] norsetto: But the upgrade bug is "In Progress", so someone is looking at it [23:27] g'night all [23:27] night Cesare === azeem_ is now known as azeem