[00:35]  * flyback sticks a bunch of corroded nicd cells into hcl acid and yells "you go to hell and you die"
[00:36]  * flyback waits for them to get cleaned or go boom
[00:56]  * delcoyote hi
[07:39] <hotmonkeyluv> if I have a 32bit server platform, and I use ubuntu with pae, can one application access over 3gb of ram?
[09:28] <egoleo> hello
[09:28] <egoleo> is there a way to check for the integrity of CPAN on ubuntu
[15:18] <nicolab80> Hi, I can't install hardy as a guest on virtualbox. The installation hangs and virtualox take 100% of cpu.
[15:18] <nicolab80> Any idea? There useful log file that I can use to fill a bug report?
[16:15] <bip> anybody around using vmware-server ?
[16:19] <nicolab80> bip: yes
[16:20] <nicolab80> but not with ubuntu
[16:20] <nicolab80> do you need help?
[16:35] <bip> fixed it
[16:35] <bip> after googling
[16:35] <bip> the 64bit version has a PAM bug
[16:36] <\sh> hmm?
[16:37] <\sh> vmware-server has a 64bit version?
[16:37] <\sh> (I mean not running 64bit os guests)
[16:37] <\sh> the whole crap is mostly i386 code ;)
[16:38] <bip> it has
[16:38] <bip> i m running it right now
[16:39] <bip> on a quad core xeonn server
[16:39] <\sh> bip, yes..with a whole lot of i386 packages on amd64 ;)
[16:39] <bip> well ...
[16:39] <bip> i just need it as virtualization host
[16:39] <\sh> bip, if you can afford a quad...why bother with vmware-server and not directly go to esx? it's much better in resource management
[16:40] <bip> well
[16:40] <bip> because i broke the piggy bank to buy the server
[16:40] <bip> and now i dont have any pig left tto buy a esx licence
[16:41] <\sh> hehe
[16:44] <gcleric> bip: on a lighter note you can port vm's created on the free vmware-server to esx using the free vmware converter.
[16:44] <gcleric> at a later date...
[16:45] <bip> i know i wont throw away when i will find the piggies gcleric ;-)
[16:45] <bip> i have been using vmware since workstation 2 o 3
[16:45] <bip> I have forgot when exactly ;-)
[16:47] <gcleric> if an when you do go esx budget for 2 to 3 server lic.  load balancing resources with DRS clustering is a must.
[16:47] <gcleric> ...and shared storage too.. =)
[16:47] <\sh> shared storage...
[16:48] <\sh> hp bl35c center + netapp == platin
[16:48] <bip> i know i was doin some readin about SAN
[16:48] <bip> and blade servers
[16:49] <gcleric> yup... a NFS, iSCSI, FCP storage that can be shared between the ESX servers...where the VM's will be stored.
[16:49] <bip> i wonder if my next empoyer will buy me trhat stuff
[16:49] <bip> right now
[16:49] <\sh> for only some 2 or 3 servers, some up2date raid 5/6 sata storage boxes with iscsi on board can be enough for the first step
[16:49] <bip> i have to uuse 2 dell 1800 with dual xeon for lan and dmz server
[16:49] <bip> but we r a low traffic network
[16:50] <bip> more a testing network then a real network
[16:50] <\sh> gig ethernet doesn't cost the world anymore
[16:50] <gcleric> for the vmware esx cluster you only need servers that have the same cpu family.
[16:50] <bip> so  I mnot sure we really need the big miscle required to run virtualized srvers
[16:50] <bip> gig nics will be bought
[16:51] <bip> what i highly doubt is getting shared storage soon
[16:51] <\sh> bip, believe me, when you run several vmware-server guests, and your systime on the guests is running out of sync ... then it's time, really
[16:51] <bip> u mean time out of sync is  a i/o issue ?
[16:52] <bip> well as I said no one of my guest boxes is really under heavy usage ...
[16:52] <\sh> you never tried to run an oracle db server under sles9 on vmware-server  ;)
[16:52] <bip> i have to balance a bit between hardware resouces my boss wont buy and the sort of network I need to run
[16:53] <bip> no
[16:53] <bip> and I don t plan to
[16:53] <bip> i have a few mysql server backing web apps
[16:53] <bip> but hey mu network serves 16 users
[16:54] <bip> so I don t think there is much justification for overspending on hardware
[16:54] <gcleric> bip you can build an esx -- sort -of -- using the free version vmware-server 3 servers.
[16:54] <bip> we have 3 vmware server already running
[16:54] <gcleric> one server as a shared storage via NFS.
[16:54] <bip> one is hosts our lan boxes
[16:54] <bip> the other one ha the dmz machines
[16:54] <gcleric> two servers running vmware-server mounting the vm's via the NFS share.
[16:55] <bip> then w e have an old crappy pc for testing
[16:57] <gcleric> the shared storage PC dose not need to be beefy....just a lot of storage and a good nic or two...GigE.
[16:58] <bip> i know i have been thinkin about settin up some sort of home made NAS
[16:58] <gcleric> bip that would do...
[16:58] <bip> do u think that one of those contemporary mobo with 6 sata slots will be enuff for runnin about ten low usage vms ?
[16:59] <bip> i mean 6 disks maybe setup as riad 5
[16:59] <bip> raid 5
[16:59] <bip> sata 2 disks ?
[16:59] <gcleric> what flavor of raid?
[16:59] <bip> raid 5 i think
[16:59] <gcleric> ya...
[16:59] <bip> to optimize storage
[16:59] <\sh> 16 500g sata drives, a fast raid controller which can support 16 sata channels...(e.g. areca or whatever) and push some openisci linux on it..voila best storage ever...cheap
[16:59] <bip> i could prolly do 10
[16:59] <bip> they wont buy me those toys \sh sorry
[17:00] <bip> i have to survive with what i can scrap
[17:00] <\sh> bip, http://www.ccsstore.de/shop/article_IServ000001/Industrie-Server-2x-AMD-Opteron-2,2-GHZ,-3HE,-16x-500GB-HDD.html?shop_param=cid%3D49%26aid%3DIServ000001%26
[17:00] <\sh> sorry only german
[17:00] <gcleric> raid 5 should work  using something like freeNAS.
[17:01] <bip> yeah my colleague will love that
[17:01] <bip> even if it appears like developent on freenas has stopped
[17:02] <gcleric> the vmware-server front end servers will not require much storage locally if you have a shared storage backend that the front end servers mount the storage from.
[17:02] <gcleric> also if one of the frontend servers dies you can remount the vm's on the remaining running server.
[17:03] <bip> \sh, I ahve an idea u go an ask my boss for Preis EUR 2.796,50
[17:03] <bip> if i says yes ...
[17:03] <bip> I come in too ;-)
[17:04] <bip> I know the theory gcleric , just money is the issue
[17:04] <gcleric> sorry...I'll shut now...
[17:04] <bip> it s ok
[17:05] <\sh> bip, check this out: http://www.presseportal.de/pm/60208/866278/combots_ag/ <- my former DC :)
[17:05] <bip> maybe my next employer will be less cheap ;-)
[17:05] <\sh> 638 of those servers you could buy there...16x 638 500GB Sata Drives :) a lot of storage..
[17:07] <bip> listen I backup only the bare minimum because they wont give more the 2 36GB dat tapes for week
[17:08] <bip> our work is saved on a raid file server rsynced every hour to an othere raid server, while I hope the y dont break ;-)
[17:10] <gcleric> I would get an email from your bosses stating why they won't covert the butts in the event of disaster... to cover you butt.
[17:10] <bip> my butt and the whole company seem to be pretty gone
[17:11] <bip> last monday a colleague told me that the company will be sold or go belly up ...
[17:11] <bip> :(
[17:13] <\sh> sysadmins are always to blame if something goes wrong
[17:13] <bip> right now I mworking on my home server, just to keep my skills sharp since sounds like I gonna be job hunting pretty soon
[17:13] <bip> we r always to blame
[17:13] <bip> so i sorta ignore em until they start kickin me ;-)
[17:14] <\sh> "You were at fault..that's why our company lost and died" "But Boss, you didn't give me the money to buy...." "Don't come with this money shit..." "But..." "NO But, you're fired, cowhead"
[17:14] <bip> they can t fire me
[17:14] <bip> since they never hired me ...
[17:15] <bip> I m a self employed contractor formally ;-)
[17:15] <gcleric> with luck they can't sue you either...
[17:15] <bip> no they cannot ...
[17:15] <bip> but they r nice bastards ...
[17:15] <bip> I know they wont ;-)
[17:17] <\sh> last words of a dead man;)
[17:18] <bip> what do u know about mailserver working with dydndns ?
[17:18] <bip> do they work ?
[17:18] <bip> they dont ?
[17:18] <bip> they do but are a pain in the ass ?
[17:18] <\sh> dyndns is hobby..no serious company is relying on this
[17:19] <bip> I m not talkin about a company \sh
[17:19] <bip> I m talkin about runnin a server of my own mainly for testing purposes
[17:20] <\sh> bip, it works...
[17:20] <bip> I know that is noy something to be used for production server
[17:20] <bip> ok
[17:22] <bip> somebody told me then some smtp server wont accept mail comin from dynamic ip
[17:33] <\sh> bip, yes..from dynamic ips it's mostly not working (sending mail) .. I was more talking about receiving
[17:40] <freeflying> \sh: some dynamic dns provider may make it work
[17:40] <bip> u mean it is not the same with every dynamic dns provider freeflying ?
[17:40] <freeflying> bip: maybe
[17:47] <\sh> freeflying, how, when you directly send out your mails from your own server on a dsl line with dynamic ip? you need a relay
[17:48] <freeflying> \sh: they will provider ur dns resolve
[17:50] <\sh> freeflying, resolving is not the problem...most likely they make a reverse lookup (in-addr.arpa lookup) and they you are stuck
[17:50] <bip> well the reversse lookup is screwed with loto of staic ip too
[17:51] <bip> but they might blacklist known dynamic ip ranges
[17:51] <bip> we discovered this yesterday one reverse lookup resolves to our isp name
[17:52] <bip> even if we own a block of 8 public ip
[18:11] <stiv2k> anyone here good at configuring sendmail?  Hotmail denies all the emails I send to them from my server....
[18:11] <bip> are u using dynamic ip stiv2k ?
[18:12] <stiv2k> bip: no
[18:12] <bip> or your ip reverse lookup doesnt resolve to your ip for some reason stiv2k ?
[18:12] <stiv2k> bip: its hosted on a dedicated server
[18:12] <stiv2k> bip: its at rickb.net
[18:12] <stiv2k> you can test the DNS for yourself
[18:13] <bip> oh well ...
[18:13] <stiv2k> i can send email to anywhre but hotmail
[18:13] <bip> i can
[18:13] <bip> ok
[18:14] <stiv2k> it says this
[18:14] <stiv2k> May 24 12:53:15 x2 sendmail[30557]: m4OGrDRT030557: to=neoturbine@hotmail.com, ctladdr=apache (48/48), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=relay, pri=32716, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (m4OGrDfv030558 Message accepted for delivery)
[18:14] <stiv2k> May 24 12:53:16 x2 sendmail[30560]: m4OGrDfv030558: to=<neoturbine@hotmail.com>, ctladdr=<apache@gline.org> (48/48), delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=122929, relay=mx3.hotmail.com. [65.54.245.72], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent ( <200805241653.m4OGrDRT030557@gline.org> Queued mail for delivery)
[18:19] <stickystyle> anyone know off the top of there heads what version of debian Dapper pulled its upstream packages from?
[18:19] <stiv2k> any ideas?
[18:20] <Deeps> whatever was testing at the time, i'd guess
[18:21] <Deeps> lenny
[18:22] <Deeps> no, i lie
[18:22] <Deeps> at a guess, was etch when it was in testing
[18:22] <stickystyle> yeah, looking at the timeline now..looks like it would have been etch.
[19:24] <emgent> hello
[20:07] <TechieDragon> I have a script issue that I can't seem to resolve.  The line that seems to be at issue is ls -l %1.  If I pass in no params it works fine.  If I pass in z* I get one file listed.  If I pass in 'z*' I get all the files starting with z - any ideas?
[20:14] <Deeps> yes, the * is being evaulated by your shell
[20:14] <Deeps> pass '*' or \*
[20:14] <Deeps> to avoid it happening
[20:14] <Deeps> maybe
[20:20] <TechieDragon1> Ok.. lost my connection
[22:31]  * flyback going outside for a bit, bbl