[10:15] <Riot777> can somebody tell me how cleanly kill and then restart xfce4-panel without loosing xfce session ?:P
[10:15] <Riot777> it's for Wine in Fullscreen (I see toolbars) issue
[12:08] <TheClansman> hello all
[12:20] <TheClansman> Im having some trouble trying to install xubuntu, can someone help me pls? trying to find answers on wiki but no luck so far
[12:22] <TheSheep> !ask
[12:23] <TheClansman> oh kk
[12:25] <TheClansman> im trying to install xubuntu 8.04 on a old laptop with 200mb ram, but the installation gets really slow, even the mouse pointer keeps bumping. It eventually freezes and i have to reboot. i was told i should run the text-based installation, but i cant find it
[12:25] <TheSheep> !alternate
[12:25] <TheSheep> sorry, that's for ubuntu
[12:26] <TheClansman> hum i guess gnome or kde would take too many resources for this comp, thats why i want xubuntu
[12:26] <TheSheep> TheClansman: http://ftp.dei.uc.pt/pub/linux/xubuntu/releases/8.04/release/
[12:26] <TheClansman> !alternate
[12:27] <TheClansman> oops hehe
[12:27] <TheSheep> TheClansman: here you have all the iso images, icluding alternate cd both for amd64 and i386
[12:30] <TheClansman> ok, thank you very much :)
[12:37] <TheClansman> this computer runs xp, although slowly. it should handle xubuntu with Xfce right?
[12:40] <TheSheep> TheClansman: no idea, I don't use widnows
[12:40] <TheClansman> hehe ok
[13:52] <insomninja> anybody sucsessfully using a hp laserjet 4 plus with xubuntu, my test pages are all white
[15:17] <saibot834> Hi, I want to download xubuntu for my (old) laptop. When browsing the FTP server, I have to choose between desktop and "alternate". Is alternate for notebooks or what exactly is the difference?
[15:19] <TheSheep> !alternate
[15:20] <saibot834> oh, thank you very much, TheSheep
[15:20] <saibot834> And also you, ubottu :-)
[15:20] <TheSheep> !botsnack
[15:20] <saibot834> I think I'll go for the normal desktop version
[15:20] <saibot834> haha!
[15:21] <saibot834> k, cya! :)
[15:40] <fidodido> need help in PR  just a click http://www.alaskan.ro  thanks!  sorry about message
[16:33] <MrNaz> how do i get the command for an item in the xfce menu? i want to make a launcher for the terminal in my panel, but i dont know what binary the menu link points to
[16:36] <insomninja> MrNaz, the terminal menu entry probably points to the program xfce4-terminal
[16:37] <MrNaz> yeap "locate terminal" helped me find it
[16:37] <MrNaz> thanks
[16:38] <biabia> does ubuntu/xubuntu come standard with C compiler?
[16:38] <biabia> i want to dl the source for apache
[17:07] <Stroganoff> biabia you need the package: build-essential
[17:09] <Stroganoff> biabia https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[17:21] <o7andrew> hoy malloy" just as many people in here too
[18:06] <MrNaz> i seem to recall seeing that the AMD64 iso of xubuntu is also suitable for 64bit intel cpus... is that the case? can i use the amd64 xubuntu iso on my core2duo laptop (thiknpad t61p)
[18:08] <kam0084> try to ask @ubuntu channel
[18:11] <MrNaz> i seem to recall seeing that the AMD64 iso of xubuntu is also suitable for 64bit intel cpus... is that the case? can i use the amd64 xubuntu iso on my core2duo laptop (thiknpad t61p)  ok
[18:11] <MrNaz> also... how big is a clean full install of xubuntu?
[18:11] <MrNaz> i deliberately chose xubuntu over the other ubuntu variants due to Xfce being lighter and faster than gnome or kde
[18:12] <kam0084> it is not much faster on new computers (core due with >1gb ram)
[18:14] <kam0084> but xfce is more stable than gnome
[18:14] <kam0084> and clean, of course
[18:40] <Jay_1> Stroganoff - you still reading?  You helped me yesterday with a Xubuntu install using Unetbootin.  (I don't have a CD drive.)  Although Unetbootin is supposed to allow a local install using an ISO file, as the install progresses it insists on finding a CD drive and then stalls.
[18:45] <wolfwalker> Where the (censored) (deleted) (expurgated) (redacted) is volume control?
[18:46] <Jay_1> Stroganoff instructed me on how to open the sources.list file in the middle of the install for editing.  He told me to edit out the cdrom line, but what I've found is that the sources.list file is empty.  Should I just add a line to the file pointing to the ISO?  If so, can anyone tell me the format?  Thanks.
[18:48] <wolfwalker> Can someone please tell me how to turn the sound down in Xubuntu?  This interface is NOTHING like Ubuntu.
[19:04] <wolfwalker> Not_A_Noob I'm a noob who needs some help.
[19:04] <wolfwalker> Where is volume control in Xubuntu?
[19:05] <Not_A_Noob> ﻿Hi all, having a strange bug.  As of last night all of a few apps take FOREVER to open even though 100% cpu usage only last for a few moments.  After the apps do open (FF, Gedit, Totem) they are unusable (everything freezes). Using Hardy under XFCE. Please advise!!
[19:05] <Not_A_Noob> wolfwalker: what's the issue?
[19:06] <wolfwalker> Issue is I don't know much and I can't find the sound mixer.
[19:06] <Not_A_Noob> its an addon for the panel
[19:06] <wolfwalker> Okay, how do you add it on?
[19:06] <Not_A_Noob> when you right click the panel + click "add item" it should be listed
[19:07] <Not_A_Noob> if not you can use apt-get , synaptic or some other tool to install it
[19:07] <wolfwalker> Where's the panel?
[19:07] <wolfwalker> Desktop?
[19:07] <Not_A_Noob> it is the bar with the buttons on it
[19:07] <Not_A_Noob> or button, either way
[19:07] <wolfwalker> Oh, the taskbar
[19:08] <Not_A_Noob> yes
[19:08] <wolfwalker> I need a whole new lexicon here.........
[19:08] <Not_A_Noob> Haha
[19:08] <Not_A_Noob> Not really, we just need to be able to relate our information
[19:09] <Not_A_Noob> right click the taskbar and click add item
[19:09] <wolfwalker> Found it
[19:09] <wolfwalker> Thanks
[19:09] <Not_A_Noob> no problem
[19:09] <Not_A_Noob> are you new to linux?
[19:09] <wolfwalker> Yea, verily
[19:09] <Not_A_Noob> enjoy! you'll have lots of questions
[19:09] <wolfwalker> Running Xubuntu because Ubuntu won't run from my flash drive.
[19:09] <wolfwalker> Hangs up after login.
[19:10] <Not_A_Noob> google and google.com/linux are extremely helpful if you know the right words to search for
[19:10] <wolfwalker> Have Windoze on the hard drive, Xubuntu on the flash drive
[19:10] <Not_A_Noob> sometimes most of the struggle is just finding the proper search term
[19:10] <wolfwalker> I ran google six ways from Sunday.  I couldn't understand what "Panel" meant, so no help there.
[19:10] <Not_A_Noob> ya
[19:10] <Not_A_Noob> lots of that going on in linux!
[19:10] <wolfwalker> Why does Capture not drag up in sound mixer?
[19:11] <raziel420> if your gonna run a version of linux from a flash drive, you should try out DSL
[19:11] <wolfwalker> DSL runs, but can't do much
[19:11] <Not_A_Noob> who knows
[19:11] <wolfwalker> Speed versus ability
[19:11] <raziel420> DSL is designed to be run from flash/usb drives
[19:11] <Not_A_Noob> Puppy is good also, but not a complete version of linux.
[19:11] <wolfwalker> Yes, but DSL doesn't DO anything.
[19:11] <wolfwalker> Feather was good, but needs an update.
[19:11] <raziel420> i actually have dsl on a pentium 1 in my room, lol
[19:12] <raziel420> yeah dsl does, it has everything debian has if you know how to do it
[19:12] <MrNaz> does anyone know how big a standard clean xubuntu install is?
[19:12] <wolfwalker> Less than 2 gig
[19:12] <wolfwalker> Mine isn't clean any more or I'd check for you
[19:13] <wolfwalker> You can install it on a 2 gig flash drive though, if you don't want to install much else on it.
[19:13] <MrNaz> cool... coz i picked xubuntu coz xfce is light.... and i have some seriously slow hardware i want to put linux on
[19:13] <wolfwalker> Xubuntu is a good choice.
[19:13] <wolfwalker> How slow are we talking here?
[19:13] <MrNaz> like p2/256mb ram/8gb hdd machines
[19:13] <wolfwalker> P........... two?
[19:13] <MrNaz> i also want to get a eeepc and put xubuntu on it... it'd be SWEET having the exact same desktop on a eeepc as i have on my main workstation
[19:14] <wolfwalker> Wow, didn't know any survived the great splinter.
[19:14] <MrNaz> wolfwalker yes, its been gathering dust for years hehe
[19:14] <MrNaz> this is my 5th day with xubuntu
[19:14] <MrNaz> after leaving windows
[19:14] <raziel420> i've got ubuntu running on my p3 500 mhz, with 256 mb ram, and DSL running on a pen one with 64mb ram, debian with XFCE4 is your best choice for light and fully featured though
[19:15] <wolfwalker> Starting with Xubuntu, good.  Leaving Windows, bad.  You might find something you can't do on Xubuntu.
[19:15] <wolfwalker> Dual boot is really good for me.
[19:15] <MrNaz> wolfwalker i did find something
[19:16] <MrNaz> my favorite dev text editor
[19:16] <MrNaz> uestudio
[19:16] <MrNaz> but it works fine under wine
[19:16] <wolfwalker> Wine is cool
[19:16] <MrNaz> i was thinking of dual booting, but i've tried that many times... all i find is that i never boot linux
[19:16] <MrNaz> i decided to bite the bullet and ban windows for a month
[19:17] <MrNaz> well... there are still 4 windows pcs in the house including my other laptop heh
[19:17] <raziel420> i had that same problem naz
[19:17] <MrNaz> but my main pc (thinkpad t61p) has been banned from windows for 30 days
[19:17] <MrNaz> its been 5 and i'm already doing everything with xubuntu that i did in windows bar a few minor things
[19:17] <raziel420> except my windowz had a virus that coulden't be removed took about a week of dual booting before i finnaly got sick of windowz entirely
[19:18] <MrNaz> raziel420 the problem is i'm too good at fixing windows... plus i keep boot disk images of clean windows installs for each box, so a fully clean properly configured win install is just a 5 minute boot drive restore away
[19:19] <raziel420> yeah i'm great with wondows, but my lack of a burner restricts my ability to make images, the virus had lodged itself in services.exe making it immune to everything but a clean install
[19:19] <MrNaz> ouch
[19:20] <MrNaz> yea first thing i do with a new machine is make a DVD image with bartpe+driveimage plugin and an image of a clean, fully patched, fully configured windows install... that way i only ever have to do it once per machine
[19:20] <MrNaz> but XP is getting long in the tooth, and there is NO WAY i was using vista, ever
[19:21] <raziel420> it didn't really hurt my computer much, but my isp kept cutting of my net cause services was spamming mail to half the world at something like 300 messages a second
[19:23] <raziel420> but since i switched, i've tried 3 debian based distros (DSL, Debian, and ubuntu) and xfce kde and gnome on both debian and ubuntu, and fluxbox (the default on DSL) and on ubuntu
[19:23] <b1z4rr0> where can i look for th copiz settings on 8.04??
[19:24] <raziel420> you have to install compiz-config b1z4rr0
[19:25] <daskreecH> Hello
[19:25] <b1z4rr0> mmmm... but in 7.06 there was an option on windows manager tweaks
[19:25] <daskreecH> what window manager does XFCE use?
[19:26] <Stroganoff> Jay_1 no i dont think its supposed to work that way
[19:26] <Stroganoff> are u sure you looked at the right path? :D
[19:27] <b1z4rr0> raziel420: mmmm... but in 7.06 there was an option on windows manager tweaks
[19:28] <raziel420> yeah you can turn on compiz in 8.04 in the same place, but the configuration is done via a seperate applet (compiz-config)
[19:29] <raziel420> cause well compiz has ALOT of toys in it now somewhere near 40 effects or so
[19:29] <daskreecH> what window manager does XFCE use?
[19:30] <daskreecH> and is it any different in xubuntu ?
[19:30] <raziel420> daskreecH: i'm not sure but i think it uses it's own
[19:30] <raziel420> xubuntu is basicall XFCE4 with a few extra ubuntu packages for added functionality
[19:32] <MrNaz> raziel420 : http://www.mrnaz.com/?s=publish-blog&entryid=186   <-- i blogged the experience hehe
[19:32] <daskreecH> raziel420: Right but Ubuntu ships with compiz by default now doesn't it?
[19:33] <daskreecH> Xubuntu may be doing something like that
[19:33] <raziel420> yeah it's shipped by default, but i think it's off by default, with only basic stuff available without installing compiz-config
[19:34] <raziel420> i know by default it's off on my computer, but my computer is nearly antique
[19:34] <MrNaz> does compiz actually add anything productive to your computer or is it all eye candy ?
[19:35] <raziel420> it's all eye candy
[19:35] <daskreecH> It adds productivity
[19:35] <daskreecH> but in small doses
[19:35] <MrNaz> two people, two opinions
[19:35] <raziel420> windows vista style eye candy at that
[19:36] <MrNaz> is it actually good?
[19:36] <raziel420> like all you desktops on a 3d cube you can spin, that kinda ting
[19:36] <daskreecH> MrNaz: there are things in it that save time that you can't do otherwise
[19:36] <MrNaz> daskreecH like?
[19:36] <daskreecH> but a lot of it is jut testing cool stuff
[19:36] <daskreecH> MrNaz: Thumbnailed taskbar tooltips
[19:37] <daskreecH> You can minimize a window full screen one and do work on it
[19:37] <daskreecH> mouse over the minimized one and get a live view of the window
[19:37] <daskreecH> so if it starts doing something or stops doing something you can react
[19:37] <daskreecH> without checking it every 10 minutes
[19:38] <daskreecH> and still have full screen real estate
[19:38] <raziel420> well you still check it every 10 minutes, just you can do it by just hovering over it, lol
[19:38] <daskreecH> You can make notes directly on the screen for thing
[19:38] <daskreecH> raziel420: Much faster and you can just have the live thumbail up
[19:38] <daskreecH> so there are stuff that can give you productive boosts
[19:39] <daskreecH> but rubbish like having rain fall on your windows or painting multi coloured fire just impress people who were impressed with Vista
[19:39] <MrNaz> hmm
[19:39] <MrNaz> well i do need to impress lusers with this
[19:39] <daskreecH> in any case compiz is not intended to be shipping code. It's a experiment lab
[19:40] <daskreecH> MrNaz: No lusers thanks!!
[19:40] <raziel420> i'd say at least 75% of it is useless eye candy
[19:40] <daskreecH> We don't need em :)
[19:40] <daskreecH> raziel420: fully agreed
[19:40] <MrNaz> ok well i'll stick with vanilla xfce for now
[19:40] <daskreecH> but it's selling it short to say it's not useful
[19:40] <MrNaz> its certainly good enough
[19:40] <daskreecH> MrNaz: You do know that you can swap it in and out? :)
[19:41] <daskreecH> So someone can step in and you swap it in to get oooooooohs then swap it back out
[19:41] <raziel420> i get bored with desktops so i switch around between gnome kde and xfce
[19:41]  * daskreecH still wants to know XFCE's default window manager and what Xubuntu ships with
[19:41] <daskreecH> raziel420: E!
[19:41] <daskreecH> #fluxbuntu
[19:42] <raziel420> i've heard of it, but i don't much like fluxbox
[19:42] <raziel420> it's TOO vanilla for my taste (although i like the DSL version of fluxbox
[19:42] <daskreecH> E is sexy
[19:43] <MrNaz> daskreecH i do
[19:44] <MrNaz> i'm too busy to notice the desktop heh
[19:44] <MrNaz> once i get into the swing of working on the computer, the tools and looks become as noticable as the dashboard of my car while i'm driving
[19:44] <daskreecH> MrNaz: excellent :)
[19:46] <MrNaz> daskreecH heh... although i cant seem to filter out my surroundings
[19:46] <MrNaz> i think that's partly because i've managed to set up a nie road worker set up with i can travel
[19:47] <MrNaz> and i do lots of work from deck chairs on the beach while sipping fruit juice and eating coconuts
[19:47] <MrNaz> heh
[19:48] <b1z4rr0> where can i activate compiz?
[19:52] <daskreecH> MrNaz: get a triple screen laptop to block off your periphal vision ;-)
[19:52] <MrNaz> haha
[19:53] <MrNaz> if only they made those.... i'd buy one tomorrow
[19:53] <MrNaz> the biggest problem i had in getting used to life on the road was having to learn to live without multi monitor
[19:53] <daskreecH> Matrox has them as far as I know
[19:54] <daskreecH>  they have an attachment to laptops to make them triple monitor
[19:54] <daskreecH> TripleHead2Go I think it was called
[19:55]  * MrNaz googles
[19:55] <MrNaz> oh
[19:55] <MrNaz> its just an attachment to allow you to connect 3 monitors
[19:56] <MrNaz> i was hoping it was a 3 panel fold out thing that was actually the screens as well
[19:56] <MrNaz> but alas
[19:56] <daskreecH> MrNaz: Yeah You couldn't find an insurance comapny worldwide that would cover a setup like that :)
[19:57] <MrNaz> sure you could... the question is would you be willing to pay the unreasonable premiums on it? heh
[20:01] <raziel420> see people like naz are why i wanna make my ir tracking mouse
[20:03] <raziel420> well i guess it would be more appropriate to call it an eye tracking mouse with headset monitor, think HUD in an eyepeice with eye tracker to manuver the mouse (and blinking = clicks)
[20:05] <daskreecH> raziel420: so you want to get into a staring competition with a computer?
[20:06] <raziel420> no i wanna use my computer whith only moving my hands across the keyboard
[20:11] <raziel420> i bet steven hawking would like one
[20:11] <TheSheep> can he even move his hands?
[20:11] <raziel420> put dasher on it, so people who can only move their eyes can just look around thruough dasher to make words
[20:12] <TheSheep> I think he already uses something like that
[20:12] <raziel420> sentances, phrases, even write books with only being able to move their eyes and blink
[20:14] <daskreecH> raziel420: dasher is insanely fast once you get used to it
[20:14] <raziel420> yeah it is
[20:15] <raziel420> i can write with it faster then i can type sometimes, just the whole copy/paste thing makes it not worth it
[20:19] <daskreecH> raziel420: Used xkbd?
[20:21] <raziel420> no i haven't
[20:22] <daskreecH> raziel420: used any virtual keyboard
[20:22] <daskreecH> dasher doesn't count :-P
[20:24] <raziel420> nope, just dasher
[20:26] <daskreecH> well they have an option to bind the Virtual keyboard to a window
[20:26] <daskreecH> anything that you press on it then gets sent directly into the focused form on the window
[20:26] <daskreecH> Pressing tab tabs out of it as expected
[20:26] <daskreecH> and things like global shortcuts also work
[20:27] <raziel420> hmmm
[20:27] <daskreecH> dasher could have something like that
[20:27] <daskreecH> I forget if it has a plugin structure
[20:27] <raziel420> they need that option in dasher, lol
[20:27] <daskreecH> but it's something to raise with them
[20:27] <daskreecH> jump in and ask them
[20:30] <daskreecH> now!!
[20:30]  * daskreecH prods raziel420  :-)
[20:31] <raziel420> what?
[20:32] <raziel420> i'm talking in like 5 channels, i don't want to add another one, lol
[20:32] <TheSheep> pftt, five
[20:32] <TheSheep> gui folks are soft :)
[20:33] <raziel420> nahh it's just been a long time since i've been active in multiple chats, haven't done it since msn still had free chat (so like 10 years almost)
[20:43] <daskreecH> raziel420: try typing /whois mez
[20:43] <daskreecH> and admit you are weak :)
[20:53] <daftpun1> Hi Could anybody recommend a good tool for PHP something like Zend Studio
[20:55]  * TheSheep has no idea what Zend Studio is
[21:06] <daftpun1> sorry this was a question for php channel
[21:06] <daftpun1> but thanks sheep
[21:07] <TheSheep> daftpun1: np, try python sometimes ;)
[21:08] <daskreecH> Ha ha
[21:08] <daskreecH> Pimp
[22:04] <b1z4rr0> what can i do to see youtube videos??
[22:04] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[22:04] <TheSheep> !flash | b1z4rr0
[22:05] <b1z4rr0> theSheep : on AMD64??
[22:06] <TheSheep> b1z4rr0: works, it installs some 32 bit libs
[22:06] <TheSheep> b1z4rr0: and uses a wrapper
[22:06] <b1z4rr0> ok
[22:06] <b1z4rr0> wrapper?
[22:06] <b1z4rr0> what's that?
[22:06] <TheSheep> yeah, to run 32 bit code in 64bit firefox
[22:07] <TheSheep> you can see it as a separate process when some flash is running
[22:07] <b1z4rr0> how can i do taht?? i mean use "a wrapper"
[22:07] <TheSheep> sometimes, rarely, it will hang and you will have to kill it
[22:07] <TheSheep> it's set up automatically, you just have to install it
[22:08] <b1z4rr0> and the wrapper name is?? if i wnat to kill it
[22:09] <TheSheep> can't remember the exact name
[22:09] <b1z4rr0> mmm... ok
[22:09] <TheSheep> you will recognize it in the process list
[22:09] <b1z4rr0> but it run but it self?? or do i have to call it?
[22:09] <TheSheep> it's all automatic
[22:09] <TheSheep> firefox starts it
[22:10] <b1z4rr0> ok thank... installing
[22:19] <Oak_> I have ubuntu on this computer and xubuntu on my laptop and I copied the network settings from this one to that, they are both using the same router and I can not load web pages... anyone have any idea why this may  be happening?
[22:21] <Oak_> I cannot access anything from the web (on the laptop)
[22:22] <Oak_> no ideas?
[22:24] <raziel420> your router might not be giving it an ip address
[22:25] <raziel420> or both machines are trying to use the same ip and your having collisions
[22:26] <Oak_> how would I fix that?
[22:28] <raziel420> check to see if both computers are using the same ip address, if they are log into your router and check to see if it is set as a dhcp server and it's detecting both computers, if you can't set it as a dhcp server contact your isp
[22:29] <Oak_> it is set as dhcp
[22:29] <Oak_> hmm
[22:30] <Oak_> checking my router now
[22:33] <Oak_> I don't see the desktop on the list
[22:33] <Oak_> I mean the laptop
[22:34] <Oak_> how do I assign it an ip?
[22:34] <TheSheep> it should ask for one automatically
[22:34] <TheSheep> as long as it's not set up to use static ip
[22:35] <Oak_> I have it set to dhcp
[22:35] <TheSheep> you might need to add the MAC number to your router
[22:35] <TheSheep> if it has any such list
[22:35] <Oak_> it does have a MAC number list
[22:36] <TheSheep> you can display your mac with 'ifconfig -a'
[22:41] <Oak_> hmm I do not see the MAC address and I can not add one it seems anyway. They are just lised along side the IPs from the different users on the router
[22:48] <Oak_> Man is this frustrating...
[22:48] <Oak_> I tried static address and assigning it a different IP
[22:48] <Oak_> that did not work either
[22:50] <Oak_> also tried roaming mode
[22:50] <Oak_> might dynamic routing help?
[22:55] <Oak_> maybe dhcp renew?
[23:03] <xenos_> anyone try kde4?
[23:03] <aanderse> yup
[23:04] <xenos_> how did you install it? I tried looking for it using the pkg mngr
[23:04] <nick_> I'm trying to install add-ons with ff2
[23:04] <nick_> and I keep getting errors
[23:04] <nick_> *add-ons for ff2
[23:05] <nick_> can someone explain a possible solution, would it help if I removed and re-installed ff2
[23:05] <aanderse> xenos_: search in synaptic for kde4 and you'll find it
[23:05] <aanderse> nick_: what errors?
[23:05] <aanderse> and what addons
[23:05] <nick_> adblock plus
[23:06] <nick_> del.icio.us, downthemall
[23:06] <xenos_> i've googled "xubunut kde4" but instructions arent too clear says to add a "deb http:...." line to my /etc/atp/source.list but it just gives me an error.
[23:06] <nick_> anything I've tried to add
[23:06] <nick_> zotero,e tc
[23:06] <aanderse> xenos_: what version of xubuntu are you running?
[23:06] <xenos_> aanderse: no luck w synaptic
[23:06] <xenos_> version is 6
[23:06] <aanderse> oh... yeah you should update, sorry
[23:06] <aanderse> i assumed you were running the latest
[23:06] <aanderse> and are you sure your computer has good enough specs to run kde4?
[23:07] <xenos_> aanderse: i will run it again.
[23:08] <xenos_> aanderse: YEA ...its grabbing diff. pkgs.
[23:10] <nick_> What's the difference between Ubuntu and Xubuntu
[23:11] <aanderse> xubuntu has a different desktop environment (basically what your desktop looks like)
[23:11] <nick_> Different in what sense
[23:12] <aanderse> ubuntu uses a desktop environment called "gnome" and xubuntu uses a desktop environment called "xfce"
[23:12] <xenos_> xubuntu = light & ubuntu = heavy
[23:16] <xenos_> aanderse: my repositories are all checked but no luck finding kde4
[23:16] <xenos_> aanderse: systems is up to date
[23:16] <aanderse_> you have to update your ubuntu to the latest version... like version 8.04
[23:16] <aanderse_> well, that's the easiest way (i think)
[23:19] <nick_> firefox could not install the file at
[23:19] <nick_> url
[23:19] <nick_> because: unexpected installation error
[23:19] <nick_> review the error console log for more details
[23:19] <nick_> -203
[23:19] <nick_> where url = the actual url
[23:19] <nick_> is the error I get for everything I try to get
[23:21] <raziel420> no, xfce = light gnome =lightish (not really) kde = heavy
[23:22] <nick_> And why is it when I go to add/remove, remove firefox
[23:22] <nick_> it doesn't actually remove firefox
[23:22] <nick_> I hit apply, it says it's doing its shit, and then it does nothing.
[23:22] <raziel420> you removing ff 2 or ff3 beta?
[23:23] <nick_> I thought I removed ff3 beta
[23:23] <nick_> then I installed ff2
[23:23] <nick_> Then I got some crap when I went to add the extensions I wanted
[23:23] <nick_> so I'm trying to uninstall ff2 now
[23:23] <nick_> but I'd like to know why I can't install extensions
[23:23] <raziel420> you might want to purge it
[23:23] <nick_> Define
[23:23] <nick_> or rather elaborate
[23:24] <raziel420> run synaptic
[23:24] <nick_> Then what
[23:24] <raziel420> clic status
[23:24] <raziel420> *click
[23:25] <raziel420> then select Not Installed (residual config)
[23:25] <nick_> And then what?
[23:25] <nick_> mark for complete removal -> apply?
[23:25] <raziel420> then sllect all the list, right click and select remove completely
[23:26] <raziel420> yeah complete removal of that (and i usually do everything in the list to keep things neat)
[23:26] <nick_> ok so firefox 3 is completely removed
[23:27] <nick_> I still get the same error
[23:27] <nick_> zzz
[23:28] <Oak_> so I changed my network settings trying to get my conncetion to work and now the ui bars on the top and bottom of the screen are gone
[23:28] <nick_> I completely removed firefox2
[23:28] <nick_> now when I go back to reinstall it
[23:28] <nick_> it says an error occured
[23:29] <nick_> following details:
[23:29] <nick_> E: firefox-2: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[23:30] <nick_> wtf it says it couldn't install
[23:30] <nick_> yet firefox is back all over again, still has my bookmarks and I still get the retarded error that I can't install the add-ons I want
[23:32] <nick_> this is a complete headache
[23:35] <xenos_> the display manager won't let me choose 1600x1200 its not an option. How do I get it to recognize that resolution?
[23:38] <Oak_> why would my desktop ui disappear and how can I get it back?
[23:40] <Oak_> is there anyone good with configuring networks that can take a little time to help me out? I have been trying to figure this our for like12 hours and am not getting much of anywhere
[23:43] <Oak_> I tried three different installations cause I thought it might be something with the os and none of them worked
[23:43] <Oak_> xbuntu ubuntu and debian
[23:48] <nick_> for an turion64 laptop
[23:48] <nick_> I'd want the amd64 install right