[00:00] <Nikke2> gah will take forever to open that window :P
[00:00] <Nikke2> but thanks
[00:00] <Walzmyn> I think you should have kept gnome until you were sure everything KDE was working
[00:00] <Walzmyn> Anybody here familiar with the game crossfire? i've just installed it, but can't figure out how to start it
[00:01] <Nikke2> Walzmyn: it worked for 2 days
[00:01] <Nikke2> then i remove gnome
[00:01] <Nikke2> isn't there another iso file less than 650 mb's ?
[00:02] <Walzmyn> Nikke2, have you tried undoing whatever change you made?
[00:02] <Nikke2> Walzmyn: yes
[00:02] <Nikke2> and my nvidia driver is working to
[00:03] <Walzmyn> Nikke2, I don't know what to tell you.
[00:04] <Nikke2> please tell me that it is a kubuntu iso less than 650 mb's :)
[00:08] <Walzmyn> Nikke2, looks like 690 is the smallest I see
[00:08] <Nikke2> gah
[00:09] <Nikke2> thats bad
[00:10] <Nikke2> maybe i can try to reconfigure xorg
[00:10] <Nikke2> but i dont remember the command
[00:10] <genii> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[00:11] <genii> If only doing resolution change add a -phigh in the middle there
[00:11] <Awsoonn> I have a strange strange thing happening, in my terminal, that is not running any program, I keep getting this error over and over about every 3-5 minutes http://pastebin.com/m33ab692a
[00:12] <Awsoonn> what the heck is causing an error to be sent to this terminal? and how does it know I'm looking ta it? my current suspission is black magic.
[00:13] <nosrednaekim> heh.... you probably ran an application from the same virtual terminal
[00:13] <Walzmyn> Awsoonn, did you forget to do your sacrifices for this month?
[00:14] <Awsoonn> XD nope I threw gnome in the Volcano just as requested by the Torvolds-sama
[00:14] <nosrednaekim> :)
[00:15] <nosrednaekim> Awsoonn: try opening a nother terminal and see if they aren't there too
[00:15] <nosrednaekim> *are
[00:15] <Awsoonn> they indeed do not follow me.
[00:15] <Awsoonn> they stay in the one terminal
[00:15] <nosrednaekim> you have evaded the demons for now :P
[00:16] <nosrednaekim> we demand your sacrifice of all your MP3's
[00:17] <Awsoonn> nooooooooooooooooo not the mp3ses!
[00:17] <Walzmyn> nosrednaekim, that's no problem, i'm sure all his music is in .ogg  :)
[00:17] <nosrednaekim> I doubt it....
[00:17] <Rochvellon> hi, does somebody knows wine and mail.ru agent?
[00:17] <NickPresta> All my music is midi. I love that techno beat ;)
[00:17]  * Awsoonn is an ipod adoptee
[00:18] <nosrednaekim> you must burn that on your propane stove as well Awsoonn....
[00:18] <nosrednaekim> Rochvellon: wine is probably best in #winehq
[00:18] <Rochvellon> nosrednaekim: thx
[00:21] <Walzmyn> Anybody here familiar with the game crossfire? i've just installed it, but can't figure out how to start it
[00:22] <nosrednaekim> how did you install it?
[00:22] <Walzmyn> adept
[00:22] <nosrednaekim> Walzmyn: the deb/package name was crossfire?
[00:22] <Walzmyn> there's a server and a client - $crossfire tries to start one of them, but i'm not sure which
[00:22] <nosrednaekim> isn't there a help or anything?
[00:23] <Walzmyn> no, hang on
[00:23] <Walzmyn> there's crossfire-client, crossfire-server, etc
[00:23] <genii> nosrednaekim: Yes, crossfire is in the repos
[00:24] <Walzmyn> i looked at their website, but there's nothing there on starting the game
[00:24] <genii> Walzmyn: You want the client if connecting to some remote box as server. Other wise you run the server and then the client to connect to it
[00:24] <nosrednaekim> Walzmyn: ok, run "dpkg -L crossfire-client" and see what the executable in /usr/bin is called
[00:26] <genii> Their wiki at http://wiki.metalforge.net/doku.php/faq says crossclient is the binary
[00:28] <Walzmyn> Sorry, supper got ready about the same time the 4 month-old exploded - i'm back
[00:29] <Walzmyn> nosrednaekim, that dosen't list anything in /usr/bin
[00:31] <genii> Walzmyn: Perhaps see thir wiki at http://wiki.metalforge.net/doku.php/faq
[00:31] <Walzmyn> genii, allready there, but haven't found anything
[00:32] <genii> Walzmyn: Try issuing: crossclient -h
[00:33] <Walzmyn> ok, i've got the client working in the konsole
[00:33] <genii> Walzmyn: Looks like you need to specify a server to connect to unless you are running also the server locally
[00:34] <Walzmyn> genii, well, that was my plan
[00:34] <Walzmyn> so far all i can get the client to do is tell me i'm giving it the wrong input. going to read up on their wiki now
[00:35] <genii> Walzmyn: crossfire -server -detach            then         crossclient -server "yourcomputername"
[00:35] <Walzmyn> thanks
[00:38] <hulk> ciao a tutti
[00:39] <shane_> hello,i just installed a game with sudo the comand was sudo apt-get smc  it found and installed it with no errors.my ? is where did it put it lol i cant find it
[00:39] <nosrednaekim> shane_: try "smc"
[00:39] <shane_> nosrednaekim: what do u meen by use it i cant find it
[00:40] <ForzaPalermo> hey guys is there a fuseiso or AcetoneISO for kde4?
[00:40] <shane_> nosrednaekim: and im not sure how to search it
[00:40] <nosrednaekim> shane_: try running "smc" from a konsole or run dialog...
[00:40] <shane_> ok
[00:41] <nosrednaekim> if that doesn't work... try "dpkg -L smc | grep /usr/bin"
[00:42] <nosrednaekim> and then run the last part of each line that returns...
[00:47] <Dr_Bidoof> What's the command to install the kubuntu KDE4 remix?
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[00:48] <Dr_Bidoof> thanks
[00:48] <hulk> list
[00:49] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> nosrednaekim: excuse me, what' the command to installa kde 4 on hardy without kdm becouse I already installed kde3?
[00:49] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> *install
[00:49] <nosrednaekim> without kdm-kde4?
[00:50] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> yes
[00:50] <nosrednaekim> well, just run that command and when it asks you to choose between kdm and kdm-kde4, choose kdm
[00:51] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> nosrednaekim: oh yes very thanks, I forgot it :)
[00:54] <ForzaPalermo> how do remove icons from the kmenu that you have already uninstalled in kde4?
[00:56] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> ForzaPalermo: we conterraneo (io provincia Enna) mi spiace ma non so aiutarti :D
[00:56] <ForzaPalermo> Joshua_^_Dunamis, anche io sona d' Enna
[00:57] <ForzaPalermo> pero abito in America
[00:57] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> da enna? auhuhuhauhua pazzesco
[00:57] <ForzaPalermo> si
[00:57] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> wow
[00:57] <ForzaPalermo> ho parenti in Enna
[00:57] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> ancora più conterranei :)
[00:57] <ForzaPalermo> e anche Calasciabetta
[00:57] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> no io Aidone
[00:58] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> conosci questo piccolo paese?
[00:58] <ForzaPalermo> parle pure inglese?
[00:58] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> oh yes of course but not very well
[00:58] <nikke> hey is it possible for me to go to kubuntu from xubuntu ?
[00:58] <nosrednaekim> sure...
[00:58] <nikke> without install with kubuntu cd?
[00:58] <nosrednaekim> "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[00:58] <ForzaPalermo> haha ok, alore non mi poi autare?
[00:59] <nosrednaekim> oh... no, you'll have to install first
[00:59] <nikke> i only have 1 cd available and its a 650 mb and kubuntu is 690
[00:59] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> ForzaPalermo: no purtroppo ancora non uso molto kde 4
[01:00] <nosrednaekim> nikke: just trun on overburn... it should be fine..
[01:00] <nosrednaekim> *turn
[01:00] <ForzaPalermo> Joshua_^_Dunamis, io lo sto usando, pero non posso vedere il giorno quando esci 4.1
[01:00] <nikke> are you sure because i only got 1 cd left >P
[01:00] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> ForzaPalermo: si anche io infatti :)
[01:01] <nikke> and my install i got now is to much problem... played to much
[01:01] <ForzaPalermo> ma perche non stai dormendo
[01:01] <ForzaPalermo> gli sonno i 2
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> nikke: i'm 99% sure
[01:01] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> ForzaPalermo: lol si infatti :) beh amo la notte I love the night :)
[01:02] <nikke> nosrednaekim: i hope you right
[01:02] <nikke> hehe
[01:02] <ForzaPalermo> ma che sai un cane lupo
[01:02] <ForzaPalermo> owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[01:02] <nikke> i want to play with kubuntu tonight hehe
[01:02] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> ForzaPalermo: uhuhuhuahuahuahua
[01:02] <nikke> and this installation i got is just ***** hehe
[01:02] <nikke> whats overturn?
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> *overburn
[01:03] <nikke> overburn
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> almost all CD's have more than their "rated" capacity
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> so overburn burns onto that space
[01:03] <nikke> recomend a program?
[01:03] <nikke> i got k3b here
[01:03] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> nosrednaekim: wow, I didn't know it
[01:03] <ForzaPalermo> ma quante anni tiene?
[01:03] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> ForzaPalermo: 30 e tu?
[01:03] <Jucato> !it | ForzaPalermo
[01:04] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> ops
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> nikke: K3b can do it, yes
[01:04] <ForzaPalermo> anyone know if kde 4.1 alpha debs have been released
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> ForzaPalermo: they have not
[01:04] <ForzaPalermo> 24
[01:04] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> ubottu: you're right: Excuse me
[01:04] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> auhuahuahua
[01:04] <ForzaPalermo> darn, think they will release it before the final release?
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. they should
[01:05] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> ForzaPalermo: I read about june or july
[01:05] <nikke> nosrednaekim: where do i setup overburn?
[01:05] <nikke> where do i choose it
[01:06] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> nikke: I think you have just to burn your image
[01:06] <ForzaPalermo> thank you joshua
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> nikke: I don't think you choose it... it does it automatically if you put a ISO larger than the CD
[01:07] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> ForzaPalermo: Now I send you a link with the roadmap
[01:08] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> ForzaPalermo: http://mimo.netsons.org/index.php/2008/03/05/kde-402-rilasciata/
[01:08] <ForzaPalermo> thank you joshua
[01:09] <ForzaPalermo> ah il 29 di julio
[01:10] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> già
[01:10] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> ForzaPalermo: How many time do you live in America?
[01:11] <ForzaPalermo> 24 years
[01:11] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> auhuahuahu ok
[01:11] <Jucato> !offtopic
[01:11] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> ops
[01:11] <ForzaPalermo> miencha
[01:11] <ForzaPalermo> ma va fanguo ubottu
[01:11] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> auhuahuhauhau
[01:12] <PovAddict> halp
[01:12] <PovAddict> I have an EPSON Stylus C65
[01:13] <PovAddict> it was ready to print as soon as I plugged it in, didn't have to configure anything manually (<3)
[01:13] <PovAddict> but... the extra tools don't work
[01:13] <PovAddict> like to see ink levels
[01:14] <PovAddict> I get:
[01:14] <PovAddict> Cannot open /Stylus C65 read/write: No such file or directory
[01:14] <albuntu> can anyone tell me how to solve the problem that dolphin has with html files ?
[01:14] <albuntu> The desktop entry file
[01:14] <albuntu> /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop
[01:14] <albuntu> has an invalid menu entry
[01:14] <albuntu> addAsPodcast.
[01:15] <PovAddict> :o I get the same albuntu
[01:16] <albuntu> i saw a temporary way to solve this but i dont want to get problems so i thought if there is a permanent way
[01:16] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> albuntu: I think dolphin is not a html broseer
[01:16] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> *browser
[01:16] <PovAddict> Joshua_^_Dunamis: nope, it's a file browser, and .html are files too
[01:16] <albuntu> Joshua_^_Dunamis: than dont you think that a short message can tell that ?
[01:16] <PovAddict> you right click an html file and it gives that error
[01:17] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> mmm I did not try it
[01:17] <albuntu> Joshua_^_Dunamis: you cant even put the mouse to a html file
[01:17] <albuntu> lol
[01:17] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> really?
[01:17] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> mmm
[01:17] <lmartin92isAFK> what's kubuntu super user password default? it didn't let me change this at installation.........
[01:18] <PovAddict> lmartin92isAFK: there isn't one
[01:18] <PovAddict> use sudo
[01:18] <albuntu> lmartin92isAFK: there is no super user pass
[01:18] <lmartin92isAFK> great
[01:18] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> lmartin92isAFK: there is no super user password
[01:18] <Jucato> !root | lmartin92isAFK
[01:18] <lmartin92isAFK> so how should I set it.............
[01:18] <PovAddict> lmartin92isAFK: you don't
[01:18] <Jucato> sudo | lmartin92isAFK
[01:18] <Jucato> !sudo | lmartin92isAFK
[01:18] <PovAddict> as in, shouldn't; use sudo instead
[01:18] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> lmartin92isAFK: you have to choose a super user passwaord
[01:19] <lmartin92isAFK> I know, but I won't do finish making super user stuff finished
[01:19] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> when you install kubuntu
[01:19] <lmartin92isAFK> I don't get to choose the super user password in newest kubuntu
[01:19]  * Jucato thinks that sentence didn't make any sense...
[01:19] <Jucato> lmartin92isAFK: there is *NO* root password in Kubuntu
[01:19] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> lmartin92isAFK: I got it
[01:20] <PovAddict> lmartin92isAFK: try your previous sentence again with some real grammar
[01:20] <Jucato> root user is disabled. use "sudo"
[01:20] <lmartin92isAFK> ok........... one person says there is none and the other says I set it
[01:20] <MachinTrucChose> can someone recommend a tool like Daemon Tools or Alcohol 120% on Windows, in order to load cd images in a virtual cd drive?
[01:20] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> lmartin92isAFK: when you ave to choose the user, the password user is the that used with all sudo actions
[01:20] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> *have
[01:20] <albuntu> !iso | MachinTrucChose
[01:20] <PovAddict> MachinTrucChose: you use 'mount' for that
[01:21] <PovAddict> lmartin92isAFK: use 'sudo', which will ask you for your USER password
[01:21] <lmartin92isAFK> ok.........
[01:21] <MachinTrucChose> albuntu: I don't want to convert the image, I want to load it in a virtual drive.
[01:21] <MachinTrucChose> oh
[01:22] <lmartin92isAFK> I need to set some screen settings and I enter in my password, no password, "user", "root", "admin", and it all fails
[01:22] <Jucato> lmartin92isAFK: please read first the links that the bot pointed out to you (twice)
[01:22] <albuntu> MachinTrucChose: use mount. read the begining
[01:22] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> lmartin92isAFK: yes
[01:22] <albuntu> !sudo | lmartin92isAFK
[01:22] <PovAddict> lmartin92isAFK: your user password should have worked
[01:23] <albuntu> lol
[01:23] <lmartin92isAFK> I'll read the link
[01:23] <MachinTrucChose> "mount: /home/mimo/aptoncd-20080525-CD1.iso is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?)"   what does this mean?
[01:23] <PovAddict> MachinTrucChose: it means you didn't do exactly what the bot said
[01:23] <albuntu> !iso | MachinTrucChose
[01:24] <albuntu> MachinTrucChose: READ CAREFULLY
[01:24] <MachinTrucChose> you're right, I'm sorry
[01:24] <PovAddict> any idea why the printer extra tools don't work?
[01:24] <genii> MachinTrucChose: Means use syntax like:   sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /isoplace/isoname.iso /place/to/mount
[01:24] <lmartin92isAFK> ok, I just mistyped my password.................
[01:25] <genii> If it's a dvd iso use udf and not iso9660
[01:25] <PovAddict> system settings -> printers -> right click printer -> printer tools -> EPSON Inkjet -> dialog opens and all buttons give the same error
[01:25] <PovAddict> Cannot open /Stylus C65 read/write: No such file or directory
[01:26] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> lmartin92isAFK: excuse me for my english, I'm italian: I try to explain you. If you used Debian or other linux distro, there was a root password: Now with sudo, the password you choosed at the installation is that you have to use in all the administration actions and everywhere is requested super user privileges
[01:26] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> lmartin92isAFK: It's the same password you use to login into kde
[01:26] <lmartin92isAFK> ok thanks Joshua_^_Dunamis
[01:27] <PovAddict> Joshua_^_Dunamis: yeah he already said the problem was he mistyped it :P
[01:27] <MachinTrucChose> albuntu: Adept won't let me add the cdimage folder as a source repo. It's looking for a real CDrom, I get a "please insert a CDrom in the drive" message before I can even enter anything. Looks like I need a proper virtual CDrom after all.
[01:27] <lmartin92isAFK> and your english isn't all that bad........... I can understand you perfectly
[01:27] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> lmartin92isAFK: ah ok thanks :)
[01:27] <PovAddict> MachinTrucChose: if you mount it, you don't tell adept you're adding a CD
[01:27] <lmartin92isAFK> Joshua_^_Dunamis: np :-)
[01:27] <albuntu> MachinTrucChose: you have to mount it before
[01:28] <PovAddict> MachinTrucChose: you just tell it it's a local folder
[01:28] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> :)
[01:28] <albuntu> Joshua_^_Dunamis: i am italian too. lol
[01:28] <MachinTrucChose> I mounted it, and can see the contents of the image in my /fakecd/ folder
[01:28] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> albuntu: lol :D
[01:28] <PovAddict> MachinTrucChose: hold on, I never used adept for that
[01:29] <PovAddict> I always fiddled with sources.list by hand :P
[01:29] <MachinTrucChose> PovAddict: I didn't know I could use a local folder as a repo. I googled a lot and all the people on Ubuntuforums said the only way was to use AptOnCD
[01:29] <PovAddict> MachinTrucChose: I have file:/ URLs on my sources.list
[01:29] <MachinTrucChose> can you paste me one example?
[01:29] <PovAddict> so yeah
[01:30] <PovAddict> file:/home/nicolas/ubuntu-dvd harty main restricted
[01:30] <PovAddict> hardy* :P
[01:31]  * PovAddict notes the Software Sources dialog is half-translated, and doesn't support unicode correctly - shameful
[01:31] <albuntu> MachinTrucChose: try sudo apt-get install gmountiso. and use gmountiso to mount isos
[01:31] <albuntu> or http://www.acetoneteam.org
[01:31] <crs> Is anyone playing wesnoth? How can i change game language? I changed it but nothing happens. ;/ Do i need to do something special?
[01:32] <albuntu> crs: try restarting the game
[01:32] <albuntu> i am not sure anyway
[01:32] <MachinTrucChose> albuntu: thanks, I had actually used Acetone before, but forgot the name. You can't find it in Kubuntu's "Add/Remove" list, although you can in Ubuntu's.
[01:32] <PovAddict> crs: there is a #wesnoth
[01:32] <MachinTrucChose> I'll give that a try if PovAddict's local repo idea doesn't work
[01:33] <PovAddict> I used the mount -o loop thingy to mount the iso
[01:33] <PovAddict> then added file:/path/to/mountpoint  to the repo source list
[01:33] <PovAddict> even more: the .iso is on my Windows (NTFS) partition :)
[01:34] <albuntu> MachinTrucChose: i am not understading why do you want to use a cd to add as a source list ? cant you update from internet ?
[01:34] <PovAddict> albuntu: why waste bandwidth updating from internet if he already has a whole iso downloaded?
[01:34] <MachinTrucChose> albuntu: I have tons of packages from before I formatted/reinstalled, I don't want to download them again. I backed them up before the format.
[01:34] <crs> albuntu: thanks :)
[01:35] <albuntu> crs: np
[01:35] <nikke> nosrednaekim: didnt work
[01:35] <nikke> goood
[01:35] <PovAddict> MachinTrucChose: oh you backed up the .debs yourself? not an "official" installation disc?
[01:35] <albuntu> MachinTrucChose: then consider acetone ISO
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> errr! sorry
[01:36] <nikke> dont worry, i run to my friend and get one more
[01:36] <nikke> hehe
[01:36] <MachinTrucChose> I added this line to sources.list: file:/home/machin/fakecd hardy main restricted            . Now whenever adept is opened I get a "the database could not be opened, this could be due to misconfiguration etc" error. PoV, can you paste me your sources.list on paste.ubuntu.com?
[01:36] <nikke> nosrednaekim: but it is possible to get to kubuntu from xubuntu to kubuntu??
[01:36] <MachinTrucChose> nikke: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:37] <PovAddict> nikke: install 'kubuntu-desktop' package
[01:37] <PovAddict> MachinTrucChose: if you manually backed up .debs into a CD, that CD won't work as an APT source
[01:37] <albuntu> nikke: yes. sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:37] <nikke> okey
[01:37] <nikke> and then remove all xubuntu things?
[01:37] <PovAddict> you need the package list and all
[01:37] <PovAddict> nikke: if you want to...
[01:37] <albuntu> nikke: you can leave them if you want
[01:37] <nikke> i dont want.. i want a pure kubuntu
[01:38] <Jucato> !purekde
[01:38] <nikke> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[01:38] <nikke> nice
[01:38] <MachinTrucChose> PoV: didn't AptOnCD do that? My /fakecd folder has a folder called Packages and a Packages.gz file and a Packages.bz2 file.
[01:38] <PovAddict> MachinTrucChose: I don't know what AptOnCD is :)
[01:39] <MachinTrucChose> ok then...should I point sources.list DIRECTLY to the folder with the debs? Or is there something else I need to do?
[01:39] <nikke> thanks for the help anyway nosrednaekim
[01:39] <nikke> brb going for a new cd, hehe
[01:39] <genii> MachinTrucChose: PErhaps put all instead of main restricted, etc
[01:39] <PovAddict> pasting sources.list
[01:39] <PovAddict> http://pastebin.ca/1029416
[01:40] <MachinTrucChose> that's pretty much what I did, directory name excluded.
[01:41] <Joshua_^_Dunamis> Goodby peaple, I'm going away! 'Night to everybody, Here in Italy is 2.21 a.m. :)
[01:41] <PovAddict> partial list of files on my disc: http://pastebin.ca/1029418
[01:41] <MachinTrucChose> how did you create that disc?
[01:42] <MachinTrucChose> is that the official DVD?
[01:42] <PovAddict> MachinTrucChose: I didn't; it's the official DVD
[01:42] <MachinTrucChose> ok
[01:42] <PovAddict> http://pastebin.ca/1029421 longer list
[01:44] <MachinTrucChose> there has to be something special about your folder that mine doesn't. I'm going to try AcetoneISO for now, see if tricking Adept into thinking I inserted a real CDrom will work.
[01:44] <crs> How can I install extra locales?
[01:45] <MachinTrucChose> crs: it's somewhere in System Settings > Regional
[01:49] <crs> adept batch crashes while attempt to install new locale ;/
[01:49] <crs> MachinTrucChose: Do you know what is package name?
[01:51] <MachinTrucChose> there may be more than one. I know that language-support-xx (where xx is the lang) is one of them. But you might need to get one more.
[01:52] <PovAddict> I can't believe I'll have to boot into Windows just to check which ink cartridge is the empty one
[01:54] <matthew> How can I turn down my sound?
[01:54] <matthew> My laptop speakers... in kde.. it's just loud and everybody hears everything i do in the coffee shop
[01:55] <MachinTrucChose> you should see a speaker icon in your system tray (bottom right)
[01:55] <corsair_> damn...false alarm..
[01:55] <corsair_> i heard shop, and thought it was break time :)
[01:55] <matthew> MachinTrucChose: yes.. that's all the way at the bottom.. still, it's loud.. seems to make no difference..
[01:55] <matthew> very loud
[01:56] <MachinTrucChose> start by stopping the sound. Go to System Settings > Sound and uncheck the "Enable" box
[01:56] <MachinTrucChose> then you can take it from there
[01:56] <MachinTrucChose> That wasn't a troubleshooting step, I have no idea what you need to do, but at least people won't give you dirty looks.
[01:57] <matthew> MachinTrucChose: did that.. still, sound is there and loud--no diff again
[01:57] <MachinTrucChose> what sound?
[01:58] <matthew> I am testing by trying to play, "Globulation 2" and the music just starts right away.
[01:58] <MachinTrucChose> not sure what you can do. Sounds like there's a problem
[01:59] <matthew> MachinTrucChose: Um.. yea...  I am just doomed, I guess?
[01:59] <MachinTrucChose> looks like it :P
[02:00] <MachinTrucChose> did you ever have this problem before?
[02:00] <matthew> MachinTrucChose: I had it ever since this version of kubuntu..
[02:00] <matthew> 7.04 I think..
[02:00] <matthew> How can I check what version of kubuntu I have?
[02:01] <MachinTrucChose> good question
[02:02] <MachinTrucChose> no idea
[02:02] <MachinTrucChose> it's nowhere to be seen
[02:03] <daskreech> Hey
[02:03] <daskreech> I'm trying to change the ownership of a file and I'm not allowed to
[02:03] <daskreech> what gives?
[02:04] <MachinTrucChose> just root up
[02:04] <daskreech> sudo chown -R skreech:skreech CD/backup/Dir1/
[02:04] <MachinTrucChose> ah
[02:04] <daskreech> chown: changing ownership of `CD/backup/Dir1/': Operation not permitted
[02:04] <daskreech> Root es denied
[02:05] <genii> CD implies readonly filesystem
[02:05] <daskreech> What would cause that?
[02:05] <daskreech> genii: Naw it's just an Empty DIR I keep in my home folder
[02:05] <genii> Even root can't make a CD writeable....
[02:06] <daskreech> Normally I mount CDs to it but it's a hard drive
[02:06] <daskreech> I can change that if it makes you feel better
[02:06] <genii> hehe
[02:06] <MachinTrucChose> "notcd"
[02:06] <daskreech> or spit you the output of df so I can sell you a 250GB Cd
[02:06] <daskreech> See? it says CD right there
[02:07] <genii> bah
[02:07] <daskreech> Now paypal me
[02:07] <genii> daskreech: Spelling correct?
[02:07] <daskreech> genii: Hmm actually didn't check if the Dir1 got created
[02:07] <daskreech> Nope it's all there
[02:08] <daskreech> COuld the Filesystem be mounted a readonly?
[02:08] <PovAddict> Operation not permitted != Permission denied?
[02:08] <daskreech> No that makes no sense I just made that dir
[02:08] <genii> daskreech: Maybe remove that trailing / after Dir1
[02:08] <daskreech> genii: Duh!
[02:08] <daskreech> Oh wait no doesn't work :(
[02:09] <daskreech> PovAddict: Fine. I justneed to know what is not permitting it
[02:09] <PovAddict> daskreech: is the error literally "Operation not permitted" or did you paraphrase/translate back to English?
[02:09] <daskreech> Literally
[02:09] <PovAddict> what is in CD/backup/Dir1? mounted drive? what filesystem?
[02:09] <daskreech> PovAddict: In that Dir? Nothing
[02:09] <genii> daskreech: Hangon. Is Dir1 the mountpoint of some partition?
[02:10] <MachinTrucChose> ok, it doesn't seem like AcetoneISO lets me trick Kubuntu into thinking I inserted a real CDrom. It's not like Windows again. So the question is, how can I use .deb package backups I have in a local folder as a source for apt-get/adept/etc?
[02:10] <daskreech>  I just need write access to it from sftp
[02:10] <crs_> MachinTrucChose: Thanks for pointing at #wesnoth it works now :)
[02:10] <daskreech> genii: no CD is the mount point
[02:10] <MachinTrucChose> crs: wasn't me, but no problem
[02:10] <PovAddict> daskreech: well whatever, what filesystem is in the mounted drive?
[02:10] <daskreech> ext  I think
[02:10] <crs_> MachinTrucChose: thanks anyway :)
[02:10] <daskreech> let me check
[02:11] <daskreech> 0_o
[02:11] <daskreech> it;s vfat
[02:11] <daskreech> that might explain some stuff
[02:11] <genii> daskreech: Yup
[02:11] <daskreech>  who formatted this drive as Vfat?
[02:11] <daskreech> and why am I keeping my backups on it?
[02:11]  * genii rolls eyes
[02:11] <PovAddict> vfat has no such thing as "owner"
[02:11] <PovAddict> so there you go
[02:11] <daskreech> Yeah
[02:11] <daskreech> well
[02:12] <daskreech> it's mounted as rw
[02:12] <daskreech> hmm do I need a -o users to get rw for everyone?
[02:13] <daskreech> crs_: Wesnoth!!!!!
[02:15] <genii> daskreech: Maybe uid= gid= options
[02:15] <crs_> daskreech: ?
[02:15] <daskreech> genii: hmmm guess that's worth a shot
[02:15] <daskreech> crs_: Sorry. I'm still attending WA
[02:16] <daskreech> genii: no love. mode=666 ?
[02:20] <genii> daskreech: Maybe -o rw,users,uid=0,gid=0
[02:20] <genii> daskreech: Who does it say owns stuff there right now?
[02:20] <daskreech> genii: Got it I just had to clean unmount it and remount
[02:20] <daskreech> the -o remount didn't work
[02:21] <genii> daskreech: Ah, good then
[02:40] <nikke> nosrednaekim: its good now
[02:40] <nikke> thank you
[02:41] <Tann> hello everyone
[02:43] <Steve-cal> Greetings
[02:44] <Tann> system sounds (kde 3.5.9) and sounds for kopete aren't working, but the sound for things like amarok and firefox works fine. I've looked at all the configurations in kcontrol but that didn't work.
[02:44] <Tann> anyone think they can help?
[02:53] <Steve-cal> Tann: just out of curiosity, which audio device are you using? ALSA? OSS? or is it set to default?
[02:54] <Tann> its set to default, but i did try alsa
[02:54] <Tann> or, atleast setting it to alsa
[02:56] <Steve-cal> Tann: If you open a konsole, if you do a "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*" does it play the sounds OK?
[02:57] <Tann> oh. i think i found my problem hold on.
[02:58] <Tann> Steve-cal: what command would i use to view all of the available devices
[02:59] <nohelphere> what si the name fo the kaffeine codec installer proccess?
[02:59] <Steve-cal> Tann: Go into System Settings from the k menu, click on sound, click on hardware, and you can specify the sound device.
[02:59] <genii> !codecs
[02:59] <Tann> ok
[03:00] <Tann> k. i think i got it.
[03:02] <Steve-cal> Tann: So is sound working OK in all you programs?
[03:04] <yurimxpxman> I'm trying to install moinmoin, but I keep getting this error -> http://www.yurimxpxman.com/mywiki/
[03:05] <daskreech> yurimxpxman: #moinmoin
[03:06] <daskreech> yurimxpxman: Also you may want to find that error log before you go asking stuff
[03:06] <genii> daskreech: Iwas going to point that out also
[03:06] <Tann> I got it to work. Alsa was set for the wrong device.
[03:08] <yurimxpxman> daskreech: it says python couldn't open moin.cgi.. permision denied. How could I figure out what permissions it needs?
[03:08] <daskreech> yurimxpxman: Dunno :) #moinmoin would help a lot
[03:08] <Steve-cal> Tann: Glad it works now.
[03:08] <yurimxpxman> daskreech: they're silent :(
[03:09] <nikke> how can i get the area where trays are placed in 1 row instead of 2 rows
[03:09] <yurimxpxman> nikke: change the size of the taskbar
[03:11] <genii> yurimxpxman: You should probably have something like /usr/lib/cgi-bin in which all the cgi scripts for it should be.
[03:11] <yurimxpxman> daskreech: I got it!! :D I just had to chown the dir recursively.. haha
[03:12] <yurimxpxman> now I just have to figure out how to login as the admin :P
[03:14] <nikke> yurimxpxman: where? dont fint it...
[03:16] <daskreech> yurimxpxman: :-)
[03:17] <yurimxpxman> daskreech: have you ever used moinmoin before?
[03:20] <daskreech> yurimxpxman: No I'm going to set it up in a month or so
[03:21] <daskreech> But lots of folks in #moinmoin have ;-)
[03:21] <yurimxpxman> daskreech: I can't figure out if I'm supposed to be able to login as an admin or not :P
[03:21] <yurimxpxman> daskreech: lol.. no one's speaking in there
[03:21] <daskreech> I would hesitate to say you can't
[03:21] <daskreech> yurimxpxman: Well the topic should have a link to the docs
[03:21] <daskreech> that should help a lot as well
[03:21] <yurimxpxman> !moinmoin
[03:21] <yurimxpxman> !moin
[03:21] <daskreech> !info moinmoin
[03:22] <daskreech> ha
[03:22] <Jucato> !msgthebot | daskreech
[03:22] <Jucato> >:)
[03:22] <daskreech> !botsnack | Here Jucato I need feeding
[03:22] <asobi> anyone use guarddog?
[03:23] <dthacker> !anyone
[03:23] <daskreech> Ha ha
[03:23] <daskreech> Oh right now I remember why I came here
[03:23] <asobi> i can't dcc with guarddog
[03:25] <daskreech> genii: \o/
[03:25] <genii> daskreech: ?
[03:25] <genii> yurimxpxman: Incidentally I added a page to your wiki
[03:26] <daskreech> genii: just hought you might like an overly enthusiatic welcome back
[03:26] <yurimxpxman> genii: lol.. what is it?
[03:26] <genii> daskreech: Ah, thanks :) My wireless cut out, battery got too low
[03:26] <yurimxpxman> genii: ah, irc?
[03:26] <genii> yurimxpxman: Just a line plugging this channel. I think I filed it under IRC at the site
[03:27] <genii> Yup
[03:27] <yurimxpxman> genii: um.. okay. haha
[03:27] <yurimxpxman> genii: I need to figure out how to use this.. like controlling edits
[03:28] <genii> yurimxpxman: Their own wiki is pretty comprehensive
[03:28] <yurimxpxman> genii: yeah, I need to go check it out
[03:34] <o_> how is using a hp presario v6000 ??
[03:35] <daskreech> o_: Well it has keys and a monitor
[03:35] <daskreech> you press one and it affects the other
[03:36] <o_> nop is my wireless
[03:39] <nikke> why cant i install flash in firefox?
[03:39] <nikke> "Firefox could not install this item because "install-kjt..rdf" (provided by the item) is not well-formed or does not exist. Please contact the author about this problem."
[03:40] <daskreech> nikke: install the flashplugin-nonfree pacakage
[03:40] <nikke> thanks
[03:42] <sparr> how can i forcibly break a process' file lock?  in the same way as removing the volume containing the file, but without doing that.
[03:42] <o_> how is using a hp presario v6000 ?? I can use my wireless some one can help me?
[03:43] <o_> how is using a hp presario v6000 ?? I cann't use my wireless some one can help me?
[03:43] <genii> sparr: Find the lockfile in /var/run and remove it
[03:44] <eduard510> hi.... someone have Google earth..... appear a error, whit my google earthe where said the  googleearth-bin is blocked
[03:44] <sparr> genii: not that kind of lock, i mean a real filesystem "you get an error if you try to write to this file" lock
[03:44] <eduard510> said the problem begin whit the google earth firewall
[03:46] <genii> sparr: Make sure you have the place where you want to write to mounted with options that allow writing. (options depend on filesystem). Also if supports ownership etc, make sure the user trying to wrie there is allowed to
[03:47] <daskreech> o_: I have no idea what you are asking
[03:49] <daskreech> !wireless | o_
[03:49] <o_> that don't help
[03:50] <daskreech> o_: how come?
[03:51] <o_> I'm suppoust to get wlan0 and I can get
[03:52] <o_> so that mean my wireless card is not configure
[03:53] <daskreech> o_: type in sudo lshw > hardware in a konsole
[03:53] <daskreech> pastebin the contents of the file hardware
[03:53] <daskreech> !paste | o_
[03:54] <o_> ok
[03:55] <daskreech> !tab > sparky
[03:57] <genii> o_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281990 post number 5. Your hp has same broadcom4311
[03:59] <daskreech> !laptop
[03:59] <daskreech> I wonder if that still gets updated
[03:59] <sparr> genii: the file is locked by another process, so it cant be opened for writing
[04:00] <Agent_bob> what's the largest base one number that can be writen ?
[04:00] <genii> sparr: lsof | grep <filename> will tell you whats using it
[04:01] <genii> Agent_bob: I suspect 1
[04:01] <Agent_bob> :)    0
[04:02]  * genii sends Agent_bob on a quest for the square root of zero
[04:02] <genii> ;)
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> PFFFT!
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> BOOM!
[04:02]  * Agent_bob works diligently on the equation
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> BANG
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> sorry.... thats like asking a computer "why"
[04:03] <MachinTrucChose> hi again :)
[04:03] <MachinTrucChose> I figured out the local repository
[04:03] <MachinTrucChose> FYI: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Personal?action=show&redirect=PersonalRepositories
[04:04] <genii> MachinTrucChose: Good :)
[04:04] <MachinTrucChose> anyway...does anyone here use Keep for backups? Or is there something better? there doesn't seem to be documentation for Keep, their website was last updated in 2006
[04:05] <MachinTrucChose> genii, you certainly are very dedicated to Kubuntu...I've been here all day, but so have you. Are you part of the Kubuntu team by any chance?
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> genii: yeah... are you a member yet?
[04:10] <daskreech> MachinTrucChose: Hmm backups
[04:11] <Agent_bob> you guys ran genii off   ;/
[04:11]  * Agent_bob goes and gets his own coffee and back to work on the problem...
[04:11] <genii> back
[04:11] <genii> Had to get a coffee :)
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[04:12] <MachinTrucChose> I know powerusers probably do cron jobs or whatever, dask
[04:12] <MachinTrucChose> Maybe I should use SyncBack Freeware through Wine...that program was awesome
[04:12] <genii> MachinTrucChose: To answer your Q, no I'm not an official ubuntu/kubuntu member
[04:12] <Agent_bob> genii they are asking about your status as reguarding ubuntu team
[04:12] <genii> Agent_bob: See above :)
[04:12] <Agent_bob> ah you saw.
[04:13] <genii> I'd have to start doing 5 a day or something
[04:13]  * se7en___ uses rsync for backups ...
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> genii: nah... I got in without any stuff like that.... course that was almost 6 months ago
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> and now they have changed the whole process
[04:14] <TeslaTony> MachinTrucChose: I'm using Simple Backup. It's pretty simple. Has a number of annoyances (such as going ahead with a backup when there wasn't an external hard drive attached), but overall it lives up to its name
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> later guys....
[04:18] <MachinTrucChose> I'll check it out, Tony
[04:18] <Agent_bob> one thing i don't like about having seperate home fs  you can't hard link anything in the system to your home.
[04:19]  * Agent_bob also wonders why you can't hardlink a dir...
[04:20] <genii> Agent_bob: Probably to do with order partitons get mounted
[04:21] <Agent_bob> umm you do understand what a hard link is don't you ?
[04:23] <genii> Agent_bob: Basically it acts as the actual file.
[04:24] <Agent_bob> basically it is the actualy file.  it's a second name for the same file/inode
[04:25] <MachinTrucChose> aaaahh, Wine...dulls the pain :P
[04:26] <MachinTrucChose> Linux really needs a WhereIsIt equivalent (that was updated in the last 5 years)
[04:26] <genii> Agent_bob: Ah. So if correct: It finds where the actual file begins then makes a duplicate entry for the contents on hd sectors etc (as opposed to being a pointer tho the original name which links there)
[04:27] <Agent_bob> example;   echo boo > t1 ;ln t1 t2 ;ln t2 t3      <<< you will have three names in the same dir for one inode.  if you edit that inode via any of it's names it changes the inode.   you can delete any of the names without changing the inode at all... as long as one name for the inode exist the inode is still accessable.
[04:27] <betus> !yorugua
[04:27] <betus> ;)
[04:28] <Agent_bob> literally all three files are the same file.
[04:28] <genii> Agent_bob: Like duplicate names in a file listing that point to the same file beginning place on hd
[04:28] <Agent_bob> yep
[04:28] <genii> Agent_bob: So since on separate fs it relatively would want to point to beginning of it's own fs?
[04:29] <Agent_bob> but it puzzels me that you can't have hardlinked directories
[04:29] <Agent_bob> genii correct.  the hardlink has to be on the fs the inode is on.
[04:29] <daskreech> since the fs keeps the inode
[04:30] <daskreech> Agent_bob: Dirs are already doubly linked
[04:30] <genii> There should be some equiv of long-call ln
[04:30] <Agent_bob> a symlink on the other hand doesn't have to be.  and can point to anything.
[04:30] <daskreech> But if you delete the target the data is gone
[04:30] <Agent_bob> daskreech for symlink  correct
[04:30]  * daskreech sighs
[04:30] <daskreech> I'm teaching this tomorrow
[04:31] <Agent_bob> :)))
[04:31] <daskreech> I should really go and iron some professor looking clothes
[04:32] <Agent_bob> daskreech "Dirs are already doubly linked"   ?    explain.
[04:32] <Agent_bob> you can have as many hardlinks to a given inode as you want.
[04:35] <DeepThought> everytime I start up KDE for some reason two folders always get opened on the desktop; what could cause this ?
[04:35] <Agent_bob> you shut it down with them opend
[04:35] <Agent_bob> chose start with empty session....
[04:35] <Agent_bob> oo
[04:35] <DeepThought> nope, thatś why I'm asking
[04:36] <DeepThought> just choose start new session in the desktop menu ?
[04:37] <Agent_bob> i don't remember where it's at.       anyone else ?
[04:37] <Agent_bob> kcontrol should have it.   look for key word session in kcontrol
[04:37] <DeepThought> will do
[04:38] <DeepThought> eemmm, where do I find Kcontrol ?
[04:39] <Agent_bob> system settings    maybe ?      or alt+f2 type in kcontrol
[04:39] <DeepThought> kcontrol;
[04:39] <DeepThought> hehehe, wrong window ;-)
[04:39] <DeepThought> not on my system
[04:40] <Agent_bob> kde4 ?
[04:40] <DeepThought> 3
[04:41] <genii> System Settings ...Advanced...Session Manager
[04:41] <DeepThought> of corpse...
[04:42] <genii> Then you can start with an empty session next time, change it back to restore session after when things aren't opening automatically, etc
[04:42] <DeepThought> yep, gottit; thanx !
[04:43] <DeepThought> donit, will try reset now, see what givez
[04:43] <Agent_bob> DeepThought just a thought.   all commands are case sensitive in linux    "kcontrol != Kcontrol"
[04:47] <genii> Agent_bob: I think it would be kcmshell kcmsmserver
[04:47] <DeepThought> wrked like a charm    !   tey'z gone fergood
[04:50] <DeepThought> new question: how do I get konversation to auto identify my nick ?   I filled in the password at identities, but ubuntu IRC page still sez my nick is in use by someone else and I have to IDENtify manually to get recognized; what gives ?
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> in use by someone else?
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> as in, someone is using it right now
[04:51] <DeepThought> wqell, itś not, because I registered it, and when I identify with my password I get in
[04:51] <DeepThought> but I would like to do that automagicly
[04:52] <DeepThought> no, not using right now
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[04:52] <DeepThought> just mine, still mine
[04:52] <genii> DeepThought: File...Server List..Edit...Default Identity..Edit... at bottom put nickserv and your password
[04:52] <genii> In the Auto Identify section
[04:53] <DeepThought> nickserv; that was the missing link; goes in service, right ?   I thought I should put in freenode, but thatś wrong, right ?
[04:54] <genii> DeepThought: nickserv is what you want for service to identify to
[04:54] <DeepThought> goood... will log off & on, see if itś ok now
[04:55] <DeepThought> bingo !
[04:59] <SJrX> How do I get Konqueror back as the default File Manager, instead of Dolphin?
[05:01] <nikke> iam trying to install a window decoration.. but got this when i configure it
[05:01] <nikke> "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"
[05:03]  * genii notes for further reference not to run   startkde -- :1 in terminal 6 but rather something more sane like startx -- :1 & startkde &
[05:08] <Jucato> !d3lphin | SJrX
[05:12] <SJrX> thanks buddies
[05:20] <daskreech> Jucato: Strange
[05:20] <daskreech> I understand your hesitation for D3lphin since Dolphin is much much nicer
[05:20] <daskreech> I still find myself using Konqueror though
[05:21] <dwidmann> konqueror 3.5.9 > konqueror 4.0.4
[05:21] <SJrX> That's right
[05:21]  * SJrX gives dwidmann the HI-V
[05:21] <dwidmann> :)
[05:23] <daskreech> dwidmann: Few 3.5.x are highly inferior in everyway to the 4.0 offerings
[05:23] <dwidmann> True enough
[05:23] <daskreech> but the 4.0 have some nice features  to polish up the nice regressions :)
[05:24] <dwidmann> Pretty much
[05:24] <daskreech> go KDE 4.2 :-)
[05:25] <dwidmann> daskreech: getting a little ahead of yourself?? What about 4.1 ... surely it will patch up at least some of the issues ...
[05:27] <daskreech> dwidmann: I'm looking for 4.2 to be the "what possible reason can you give to still be using KDE3?" release
[05:28] <daskreech> dwidmann: And 4.6 for the "In my days people didn't even use KDE! Wow Grandpa how did they manage?" release
[05:28] <dwidmann> daskreech: probably ..... that's what I was thinking months ago really, hold out for 4.1 (slash that) ... 4.2.
[05:28] <daskreech> dwidmann: I think 4.1 is going to be generally presentable
[05:29] <dwidmann> We can hope :)
[05:29] <daskreech> but 4.2 is where the ideas stop being well it worked like this in KDE3 to wow Imagine if we combined this and this with this new feature!!!
[05:30] <daskreech> All the frameworks _should_ be there for 4.1
[05:30] <daskreech> 4.2 is where First and Thrid party KDE apps start throwing them around and wrangling new paradigms
[05:30] <daskreech> Which reminds me I should get back to bugging Kmymoney and Krecipe
[05:44] <Fercho> i'm on ubuntu 8.04 with firefox3 and when I open a file from a webpage, firefox3 tries to open it with kpdf
[05:47] <se7en___> well you might be lucky and it is a .pdf file :)
[05:50] <Fercho> jaja, yea, it's the only case it is useful
[05:50] <Fercho> apart from that, when I rigth click and select "open containing folder" it also tries to open the file with kpdf
[05:51] <Fercho> and if i go to preferences "Applications Options" the list is empty
[05:51] <se7en___> open folder on the web ... with firefox
[06:06] <mr-t> fercho try the channel #firefox
[06:16] <chipbuddy> hey, i have a computer hardware question. and... yeah it has nothing to do with kubuntu... but as long as no other questions are being asked, i figured why not... right?
[06:18] <comodo> can someone help me out i'm trying to install themes from kdelook.org but i cant figure out how to get them to install
[06:18] <Dr_willis> You could of allready asked it by now chipbuddy  :)  heh heh
[06:18] <Dr_willis> comodo,  depenind on what they are. they need to be compiled and installed like other programs.
[06:18] <chipbuddy> i wasn't sure if anyone was in the room. damn... there i go wasting some more time
[06:18] <daskreech> comodo: They probably have a README or an INSTALL file
[06:19] <chipbuddy>  i have a dell motherboard that is rated for a certain speed of ram, and some ram sticks that are definitely not the speed the mobo wants. is there any chance i can use the ram anyway? or is it 100% not going to work?
[06:19] <daskreech> chipbuddy: can they physically fit?
[06:19] <comodo> yes i click on the theme and it says install kde theme but it wont open anything?
[06:19] <comodo> just bounces for a second and gos away
[06:19] <Dr_willis> chipbuddy,  depends - in theory the mb should 'slow down' to accept them. but ive seen where that dident happen and you ended up with a flakey system.
[06:20] <chipbuddy> yeah, the socket is fine. there are enough slots, and using the ram won't put it over the mobo maximum
[06:20] <Dr_willis> comodo,  yoyu dont just 'click' on them . You most likelyt must use the shell and command line. and compile/install them as one would other programs from source.
[06:20] <chipbuddy> so, if the system is flakey, is there a chance i'll fry something? or can i just swap out the ram and fix everything
[06:20] <daskreech> chipbuddy: they will work then
[06:20] <Dr_willis> comodo,  themes 'parts' for kde - are a bit more complex then just packages of image files.
[06:21] <daskreech> chipbuddy: In your interest to not depend on that for a long term solution
[06:21] <chipbuddy> wohoo! that's exciting. yeah the dell support person didn't bother telling met hat at all.
[06:21] <se7en___> start kcontrol and go to theme or icon theme or whatever theme you want to install and klick on the install new theme button comodo
[06:21] <chipbuddy> darkreech why wouldn't it be a long term solution?
[06:22] <rishad> hi is there a way by which i can replace my existing kubuntu kde4 setup with the kde4 from subversion. i am fully aware that kde4 is not stable etc etc and i know how to compile kde 4 from source. i already have some binaries with svn metadata ready to extract. so how do i safely remove everything but some dependencies?
[06:22] <comodo> thank you se7en and dr_willis
[06:23] <daskreech> chipbuddy: cause a good Mobo maker will allow it but the power usage etc will be optimized for speeds the board advertises. And if you have paid for better performance then persue it
[06:23] <se7en___> np
[06:23] <Dr_willis> icon themes you can just drag/drop - color schemes also drag/drop.. window decor and widgets are not as simple.
[06:24] <daskreech> chipbuddy: Bad mobo manufacturers will have it work but it will be flaky and you probably can't trust that the data won't be corrupted from time to time causing at best crashouts and at worst long periods of really bad data being fed to you and your programs
[06:24] <chipbuddy> darkreech, i really didn't pay for anything. this is my fiance's computer, and i had some extra sticks of ram lying around. i'll be quadrupling her memory b making this upgrade
[06:24] <rishad> anybody?
[06:24] <chipbuddy> ah... ok that would be bad.
[06:24] <daskreech> chipbuddy: having said that Dell has not really been known for good mobos
[06:24] <daskreech> chipbuddy: Woah woah
[06:24] <daskreech> chipbuddy: You are mixing memory modules?
[06:25] <chipbuddy> no. i'll be removing what is there, and replacing it with 2 matching sticks
[06:25] <daskreech> like a pair of 400 Mhz with 33 Mhz ?
[06:25] <daskreech> 333 Mhz ?
[06:25] <daskreech> Oh ok
[06:25] <daskreech> Yeah I would say jump back and forth a little bit
[06:25] <chipbuddy> jump back and forth?
[06:26] <daskreech> try it with two weeks of gobs of slow RAM and two weeks with smaller amounts of Fast RAM
[06:26] <daskreech> see which fits your usage patterns better
[06:26] <daskreech> for some folks having Fast RAM is all that matters
[06:26] <daskreech> for some it will be having loads of it available
[06:26] <daskreech> Course most people like have Loads of Fast RAM :)
[06:27] <Dr_willis> once you hit SWAP - the fastest ram in the world will not help much. :)
[06:27] <chipbuddy> the sticks i'm putting in have more RAM and are faster... the mobo will step it down, but it wouldn't get any slower than what is already there, right?
[06:27] <Dr_willis> chipbuddy,  in theory. :)
[06:28] <daskreech> Dr_willis: Yeah but some people won't hit swap but can really feel the slower memory
[06:28] <chipbuddy> well... i'll just be cautiously optimistic at this point. is there any way i can run some kind of test to see if i'm getting any corruption problems?
[06:28] <daskreech> chipbuddy: an Kubuntu Live Cd running Memorty test overnight :)
[06:29] <daskreech> if that keeps up with no failures then you should be good
[06:29] <chipbuddy> does it have to be kubuntu? i still have my hardy cd lying around
[06:29] <aclowe|work> rishad: try #kubuntu-kde4 channel
[06:29] <daskreech> YES IT DOES
[06:29]  * daskreech whips chipbuddy 
[06:29] <chipbuddy> ack i'm sorry
[06:29] <daskreech> Haha :)
[06:29] <romunov> everything works laggy and slow, but when i turn on eye candy and special effects, everything works smooth
[06:29] <daskreech> all *buntu CDs are built the same
[06:30] <chipbuddy> bah... i'm so torn. i really like the convince of ubuntu, but the kubuntu chatroom and look is so much better
[06:30] <daskreech> so they should be interchangeable except for the packages
[06:30] <chipbuddy> convenience
[06:30] <daskreech> chipbuddy: Come and join the blue side
[06:30] <romunov> chipbuddy: on the average, kubuntu users are more handsome
[06:30] <Dr_willis> install ubuntu and kubuntu both..  i mixx/match gnome/kde apps all the time.
[06:30] <rishad> aclowe|work: thanks
[06:30] <Dr_willis> I cont see  how ubuntuis that more convenient.
[06:30] <daskreech> chipbuddy: And just to ensure we keep that up using kubuntu makes you more attractive
[06:30] <chipbuddy> i'm so anal. it bothers me when i run amarok on gnome
[06:31] <romunov> running u/k apps along side each other didn't work for me
[06:31] <Dr_willis> i cant recall any issues with any Kde/Gnome apps at all. mixed together.. even drag and drop often works between them now
[06:31] <Dr_willis> now years ago.. thee were MAJOR issues
[06:31] <daskreech> Dr_willis: Yeah
[06:32] <daskreech> People behind you hitting you with papers asking what you were thinking
[06:32] <Helios> I am getting a problem to download the updates... the connection is very slow (~0-7KB/s)... but i am able to browse well and the speed is ok when i browse... :s
[06:32] <daskreech> Trails in Prague for treason
[06:32] <TeslaTony> The last time I had any issues with mixing and matching is any time I install xubuntu-desktop on my system. KDE4, KDE3 and Gnome all work together rather well
[06:32] <chipbuddy> daskreech: sorry if i missed your answer, but how can i get the memtest to run overnight? won't it just run once and be done?
[06:32] <daskreech> Helios: which server do you get updates from?
[06:32] <romunov> oh yeah, i still need to upgrade to 8.04
[06:32] <romunov> brb
[06:33] <Helios> Server for Mauritius since i am in Mauritius right now... :)
[06:33] <daskreech> chipbuddy: Nope runs from now till the Oil wells run dry and the sun burns out
[06:33] <romunov> Helios: hopefully you're not on your honeymoon :)
[06:33] <Helios> LOL not yet married... :P
[06:33] <Helios> i am mauritian itself... :P
[06:33] <Helios> :D
[06:33] <romunov> ah
[06:34] <romunov> ok
[06:34] <chipbuddy> ah. good to know. great. this is exciting
[06:34] <daskreech> romunov: So that uplifts your hope
[06:34] <romunov> did you know that if an earthquake dislodges u and i, you're suddenly martian?
[06:34] <Helios> got to restart my computer...
[06:34] <Helios> be right back
[06:35] <daskreech> romunov: Pheonix is hunting him now
[06:35] <daskreech> Helios: ok :)
[06:41] <se7en> 2.6.25-4.slh.3-sidux-686
[06:43] <Helios> i am downloading from http://mu.archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main and the speed is less that 2 KB/s can anyone please check that for me? :)
[06:43] <romunov> oh man, kubuntu install is 10 gb heavy
[06:43] <romunov> bloatware :(
[06:43] <daskreech> romunov: Doubtful
[06:43] <daskreech> I have a 7 GB / partion which I have never filled
[06:44] <daskreech>  and I install Lotsa crap
[06:44] <romunov> what is taking up space then?
[06:44] <daskreech> ducks
[06:44] <romunov> hum, i think i know
[06:44] <Dr_willis> i got vmware images larger then 10gb :)
[06:45] <calcmandan> hi channel
[06:46] <romunov> re
[06:48] <Helios> I am not getting sound from my Kubuntu
[06:48] <Helios> can anyone please help me out??? :)
[06:49] <calcmandan> check out kmix and see if the volume is not down to 0.
[06:50] <calcmandan> anyone know the site where the ubottu commands are?
[06:50] <calcmandan> !ubottu
[06:50] <se7en> !factoids
[06:50] <daskreech> Helios: KDE3 or KDE4 ?
[06:50] <Helios> i have increased all the volumes...
[06:51] <Helios> i am using kde 3 for 8.04
[06:51] <daskreech> calcmandan: the commands are basically ! :)
[06:51] <daskreech> calcmandan: try /msg ubottu help
[06:51] <daskreech> !sound
[06:51] <calcmandan> daskreech: yeah i am in session with it, but i want to help add some commands.
[06:51] <calcmandan> daskreech: i've seen the site before but didn't bookmark it
[06:52] <daskreech> calcmandan: What kind of commands ?
[06:52] <se7en> !bot
[06:52] <se7en> !factoid
[06:52] <calcmandan> daskreech: like if i type !ln, it links me to a command line page. if i type k3b, it'll explain what it is and give a link. but it's missing factgoids on other common apps too like kmix or klipper...
[06:53] <daskreech> calcmandan: just say !kmix is my explanation of kmix
[06:53] <calcmandan> !kmix
[06:53] <daskreech> calcmandan: Those aren't commands those are factoids. Anyone can add them
[06:54] <daskreech> calcmandan: !kmix is something
[06:54] <calcmandan> daskreech: \that's what i meant.
[06:54] <daskreech> calcmandan: And please do it in the session with ubottu :) thanks a lot
[06:54] <daskreech>  ubottu will walk you through the rest
[06:54] <daskreech> I know I know :-P
[06:55] <calcmandan> daskreech: i was showing you what i meant. i do keep my inquiries in session. how does one add factoids?
[06:55] <daskreech> calcmandan: I just told you
[06:55] <calcmandan> ok
[06:56] <calcmandan> sorry, didn't see it the first time.  got it, thanks.
[07:05] <viperserv1> hmm whats the easiest way to install pure ftp?
[07:06] <daskreech> viperserv1: Is that a server?
[07:06] <Dr_willis> !find pureftp
[07:06] <Dr_willis> !find ftpd
[07:06] <daskreech> How do you get to see the others?
[07:06] <daskreech> I've never understood that
[07:07] <Dr_willis> use the actual package manager :)
[07:07] <viperserv1> yeah
[07:07] <viperserv1> i have proftp but it doesn't support fxp
[07:07] <Dr_willis> Now we will have a channel debate over why its best to stop using ftp. :) but we dont want that...
[07:09] <Dr_willis> !find pure-ftp
[07:09] <Dr_willis> !find pureamin
[07:10] <Dr_willis> oopd.. thers even a gui admin tool in the repos for it. :)
[07:10] <viperserv1> hmm
[07:10] <viperserv1> ubuntu doesn't come with pure i guess
[07:11] <Dr_willis> viperserv1,  err - its right there in the repos.. the bot just showed the package names
[07:11] <Dr_willis> !info pure-ftpd
[07:11] <viperserv1> so ape get pure-ftpd-common
[07:11] <se7en_> ape get :)
[07:12] <Dr_willis> i would fire up the package manager and read the descriptions.  looks to me like thers a lot of options/veriants.. and i dont use any of them
[07:12] <Dr_willis> i imagine the -common package is need by all the variants
[07:13] <daskreech> Dr_willis: That's almost logical naming!!
[07:14] <Dr_willis> Almost! so it has to be wrong!
[07:14] <daskreech> Night all :)
[07:19] <dwidmann> That's interesting ... i have several processes with a nice of 99 .. I thought it didn't go past 19
[07:22] <Helios> !sound
[07:29] <navetz> hey, is frostwire not working for hardy yet?
[07:31] <Dr_willis> ive not heard of it not working...
[07:32] <Dr_willis> not tried it lately. If thers an issue..id bet its with the java versions/package installed.
[07:32] <Dr_willis> It used to require the offical sun java.
[08:03] <noaXess> good morning all.
[08:03] <noaXess> a little problem with the document print status window, app.. if i print something the document print status app won't delet/refresh the print queue..
[08:04] <noaXess> i need to do that manually to close the sysicon of it
[08:04] <inteliwasp> i have the kubuntu restricted extras installed, but i am unable to play DVDs... what am i missing?
[08:04] <noaXess> any other have the same problem?
[08:04] <noaXess> inteliwasp: try vlc
[08:05] <Ekushey> In both Gutsy/Hardy 32/64bit version, kacpid is always eating up more than 80% CPU resource in my Intel Core 2 duo Desktop
[08:05] <jussi01> !dvd < inteliwasp
[08:05] <inteliwasp> !dvd
[08:05] <Ekushey> any help?
[08:06] <inteliwasp> noaXess:  i have tried vlc(much loved app...) but it says i can't play encrypted DVDs
[08:07] <inteliwasp> libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
[08:07] <noaXess> h,..
[08:07] <jussi01> inteliwasp: Id say you need the libdvd2css package
[08:08] <inteliwasp> ... i don't see that package in my 8.10
[08:09] <dwidmann> !medibuntu | inteliwasp
[08:09] <jussi01> !medibuntu | inteliwasp
[08:09] <jussi01> heh
[08:09] <dwidmann> I win
[08:10] <inteliwasp> now, now, lets not fight over who helps me... :P
[08:10] <jussi01> :)
[08:10] <jussi01> inteliwasp: better that way then the other extreme ;)
[08:10] <inteliwasp> true... true...
[08:11] <dwidmann> Especially with how common the other extreme is
[08:11] <Dr_willis> http://lifehacker.com/350015/enable-dvd-playback-in-ubuntu-in-two-commands
[08:11] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:11]  * inteliwasp is anoyed at the sad fact that his laptop is limited to 1024x768...
[08:12]  * dwidmann decides not to take his laptops display forgranted anymore
[08:13] <beautykiller> hello is anybody here
[08:13] <inteliwasp> thankfully i like using the tty modes alot
[08:13] <isa268[FAN]> hello somehow i lost my whole panel along the bottom of the screen and it won't even come back up after a reboot is there anyway to get it back??  thanks
[08:14] <dwidmann> I'm definitely not here, in fact, I'm not even sure where I am, I bet I'm lost.
[08:14] <dwidmann> isa268[FAN]: try hitting alt+f2, then typing kicker
[08:14] <inteliwasp> !!!!! i just noticed that i have over 51,000 email mesages in my inbox...
[08:14] <Dr_willis> this is kde4 or kde3 isa268[FAN] ?
[08:14] <dwidmann> inteliwasp: I'm guessing you don't check it often
[08:15] <inteliwasp> i do... but i never delete
[08:15]  * inteliwasp is a bit of a digital pack rat
[08:16] <dwidmann> I've only got 1300, then again, I just started this whole never deleting thing a few months ago, whenever gmail switched over to imap
[08:16] <dwidmann> or rather, gave the option
[08:23] <inteliwasp> ... the medibuntu wont take...
[08:24] <dwidmann> if it's just GPG key errors, they can be ignored
[08:24] <izzyb_> anyone know why my sound would be broken on boot after upgrading to kubuntu hardy.  It works again after running alsa force-reload
[08:35] <inteliwasp> if i ssh a x program, will all network data use the server side connection or remote side?
[08:35] <dwidmann> inteliwasp: server
[08:36] <inteliwasp> oh good
[08:36] <inteliwasp> now... if i can only get a remote desktop viewer running...
[08:38] <dwidmann> inteliwasp: if you only need a full desktop instead of viewing an active session, you could just ssh -X xinit ... then run something like startkde
[08:38] <inteliwasp> ... my laptop would die if i did that... but i need the session to be able to detach
[08:42] <dwidmann> Why would it die?
[08:47] <inteliwasp> dwidmann:  well i only have like 400MB ram and 300 of it is used all the time
[08:47] <inteliwasp> i suppose i could stop the local session...
[08:47] <dwidmann> Sounds like time for an upgrade :)
[08:48] <inteliwasp> er.... my income is diverted elseware...
[08:48] <dwidmann> Understandable ...
[08:48] <inteliwasp> i canlive with my 2 desktops, 1 laptop, and a n800
[08:48] <Dr_willis> I noticed my KDM sessions menu has a 'secure ssh session' entry. Not sure where that came from. I think it just launched a xterm, and no window manager, letting me ssh to a remote box and starting a X session
[08:49] <Dr_willis> I tend to use XDMCP on my local lan however
[08:49] <inteliwasp> :D
[08:49] <inteliwasp> Dr_willis:  0_o
[08:49] <inteliwasp> what is xdmcp?
[08:50] <Dr_willis> its a remote login feature of X. been around for years.
[08:50] <Dr_willis> You can scan/browse all machines on the network that will alow you to connect. and have a remote X session appear locally
[08:50] <izzyb> anyone know how to get xen working with an nvidia video card under hardy?
[08:50] <Dr_willis> !xdmcp
[08:51] <Dr_willis> xming - under windows let you have your X session in a window/full screened  on a windows box even.
[08:52] <calcmandan> Yay, my first factoid and doc page.  check out klipper on ubottu!
[08:52] <dwidmann> inteliwasp: another note, the X session won't take much RAM, probably won't make you swap out anyway, but if you want a full gui there are of course many other options than kde, fluxbox for example :)
[08:55] <combo> can't open RMVB movies in kaffeine. there is something about codec called cook.so - can someone help?
[08:55] <inteliwasp> what other gui are there like fluxbox that is lightweight?
[08:55] <dwidmann> inteliwasp: loads of them
[08:55] <dwidmann> maybe
[08:55] <dwidmann> !wm
[08:55] <dwidmann> darn
[08:56] <inteliwasp> any in the packege manager?
[08:56] <dwidmann> !desktop
[08:56] <dwidmann> blackbox, enlightenment, ratpoison ....
[08:57] <dwidmann> list goes on
[08:57] <inteliwasp> and if i keep the kde components installed, i can use the kde apps right?
[08:58] <dwidmann> inteliwasp: yup
[08:58]  * inteliwasp 's gears start spinning verry fast........
[08:59] <inteliwasp> well i need to call it a night... 0400 here
[08:59] <dwidmann> Same here
[08:59] <dwidmann> I'm headed to bed also
[09:00] <inteliwasp> don't you just love the night shift :)
[09:00] <inteliwasp> now if i can only get another $400... i would have fun on a radio...
[09:00] <dwidmann> It's crazy that I'm practically nocturnal, because I work from 4am - 3pm .... .... but I do it anyway
[09:01] <inteliwasp> i got one more odd, i am nocturnal as well, but i am night blind
[09:01] <dwidmann> lol
[09:01] <inteliwasp> and no i dont compare to a bat... i am also deaf
[09:02] <dwidmann> Fortunately if we discard my lack of distance vision, my senses are actually very, very good :)
[09:02] <inteliwasp> which is an oddity also b/c i love music
[09:03] <dwidmann> That's not an oddity, I'm betting your hearing issues were caused by speakers or headphones :)
[09:03] <inteliwasp> nope, genetic
[09:03] <dwidmann> shoot, that sucks
[09:04] <inteliwasp> that is not the half of my "issues".... :P
[09:04] <dwidmann> ah well, good night
[09:04] <inteliwasp> well i best be hitting the hay
[09:05] <inteliwasp> night all
[09:13] <ds187> http://blog.zugschlus.de/archives/693-Meldungen,-die-Sie-vor-neun-Uhr-morgens-nicht-lesen-wollen.html
[09:19] <ds187> hups....absolutely the wrong channel......sorry :-/
[09:28] <maxmaxmax> I need to see the ip (lan) of my pc... where I can see that in linux? there are some command?
[09:29] <izzyb> maxmaxmax, ifconfig
[09:29] <maxmaxmax> thanks!! :-)
[09:29] <izzyb> np
[09:44] <lekter> hello
[09:44] <lekter> Anyone knows a repos for kde4.1 alpha1 for kubuntu?
[09:44] <david4> http://rafb.net/p/mlzVyG32.html <-- any ideas on how to fix this?
[09:49] <david4> bummer guess not... Time to go to bed
[09:51] <jessejazza> some of us have only just got up!
[10:14]  * soundman kubuntu rocks!
[10:15]  * Helios says hello to everybody... :)
[10:42] <TRSohbet-231> hi guys
[10:42] <TRSohbet-231> is there an italian channel ?
[10:43] <Dad__> I tried to modify an icon on the start menu, and now the start menu will not pop up. How can I fix it?
[10:43] <TRSohbet-231> about perl or kubuntu
[10:43] <c1|freaky> if I installed kubuntu and additionally installed ubuntu-desktop and would now like to remove all kubuntu applications, KDE and everything from kubuntu so i get a vanilla ubuntu-desktop - is that possible?
[10:44] <flaccid_> c1|freaky, yes it is
[10:44] <Dr_willis> and its a pain in the backside. :)
[10:49] <Dad__> I'm using grep -r to search my hard drive for a file. Unfortunately it get caught in the .wine directory and can go no further. How can I make it skip the .wine directory?
[10:50] <Dr_willis> Dad__,  you may be better off using locate or find to find files
[10:50] <Dr_willis> sudo updatedb
[10:50] <Dr_willis> locate filetofind
[10:50] <Dad__> Dr_willis, I'm looking for text in the files.
[10:51] <Dr_willis> Ok. thats not exactly what you stated.. :)  but grep is the proper tool for that.
[10:51] <viperserv1> i have a problem
[10:52] <Dr_willis> Dad__,  you cant narrow down the file any closer then 'the hard drive' :)
[10:52] <viperserv1> a user deleted alot of items on my server but there still taking up alot of space
[10:52] <Dr_willis> you are going to be grepping a lot of things.
[10:52] <viperserv1> i looked in the recycle bin but there not there
[10:52] <Dr_willis> viperserv1,  theres some tools that can graphically display files/sizes of dirs and so forth
[10:53] <se7en_> filelight is one of them
[10:54] <Dad__> Dr_willis, that is what I was afraid of. But my real problem is that I messed up my start menu, and now when I minimize a file, the start menu will not pop up so I can access it again.
[10:54] <PhilRod> Dad__: find / -type -f | xargs -n 1 grep foo
[10:55] <Dr_willis> Dad__,  Hmm.. could delete the various .kde* settings/files and reset your kde configs back to default.
[10:55] <PhilRod> whoa, don't delete ~/.kde - it contains your addressbook and possibly also your mail
[10:55] <PhilRod> rename it and start kde instead
[10:56] <PhilRod> Dad__: what do you mean by "minimize a file"?
[10:56] <anarki>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY anarki1337
[10:56] <anarki> sorry
[10:56] <Dr_willis> thats why i said setting files. :)
[10:57] <Dr_willis> I imagine im the only one that dosent have 10000000+ emails   in their .kde email client.
[10:57] <Dad__> PhilRod, I meant minimize a window.
[10:57] <jussi01> anarki: best to do that in server window - and id change that password quicksmart ;)
[10:57] <TimS> SSJ_GZ: Hows the kde4.1 virtual machine coming along?
[10:58] <viperserv1> filelight come with gnome?
[10:58] <SSJ_GZ> TimS: http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=peers&id=fca82fe83c23df68613d4c20f42fbc6c42bb9bda :)
[10:58] <SSJ_GZ> TimS: I've submitted the Dot article (I think), so hopefully that will appear soon
[10:59] <TimS> Awesome. I may have to get qemu working!
[10:59] <se7en_> apt-get install filelight ... yes i guess it;s a gnome program viperserv1
[10:59] <PhilRod> Dad__: sounds like your panel settings have gone wonky. In a konsole, type "ps auxww | grep kicker" - does it produce any output?
[11:00] <TimS> SSJ_GZ: After a couple of my other downloads are done, Ill give it a shot. I hate being stuck on 2mb broadband
[11:00] <TimS> I downloaded 1.6gig of updates for my virtual machines yesterday alone!
[11:00] <PhilRod> Dr_willis: my email's all in ~/Mail or on IMAP, but I think ~/.kde is the default place to put mail these days, so better safe than sorry :-)
[11:00] <SSJ_GZ> TimS: Cool - yeah, I have a really sucky upload, here :/
[11:01] <viperserv1> ah where would it be located at after install?
[11:01] <TimS> SSJ_GZ: You live in the states?
[11:01] <SSJ_GZ> TimS: UK
[11:01] <TimS> Ah, same, what ISP?
[11:02] <SSJ_GZ> TimS: Bulldog
[11:02] <se7en_> viperserv1: filelight ... ? utilities
[11:02] <Dad__> PhilRod, here it is: Dad       6793  0.1  0.5 187508 12004 ?        S    May25   2:55 kicker [kdeinit]
[11:02] <TimS> SSJ_GZ: Can't be worse than Virgin Media :|
[11:02] <SSJ_GZ> TimS: Ouch :/
[11:03] <PhilRod> Dad__: ok, so it's running fine. Try "dcop kicker kicker restart" - the panel should pop up (and maybe disappear again soon after)
[11:03] <PhilRod> s/fine//
[11:03] <TimS> I'm trying to swtich to sky as soon as possible, but I doubt that will be any better
[11:05] <Dad__> PhilRod, it popped up, and then disappeared as you predicted.
[11:07] <PhilRod> ok, it's probably just set to autohide. Open kcontrol (Alt+F2, "kcontrol", Enter), then go to desktop -> panels -> hiding
[11:08] <PhilRod> change "hide mode" to "only hide when a panel-hiding button is clicked"
[11:08] <scruffy_> ciao
[11:08] <PhilRod> hi scruffy_
[11:08] <scruffy_> hi
[11:08] <scruffy_> i have a big problem
[11:08] <scruffy_> with
[11:08] <scruffy_> ubuntu
[11:09] <scruffy_> and the ati xpress 1100
[11:09] <jussi01> scruffy_:  ask!
[11:10] <oranger> hi
[11:10] <scruffy_> ok
[11:10] <oranger> what can i say in there;
[11:11] <Dad__> PhilRod, that fixed it! Many thanks!
[11:11] <PhilRod> np
[11:11] <scruffy_> but i don't speak english very well
[11:11] <PhilRod> oranger: anything that's fit to print, and related to kubuntu
[11:11] <oranger> 应该没关系的，
[11:12] <oranger> 你看，这不是可以打汉字。
[11:12] <PhilRod> scruffy_: there are kubuntu channels for other languages too
[11:12] <PhilRod> !it
[11:12] <PhilRod> !cn
[11:12] <scruffy_> tnx
[11:12] <scruffy_> bye
[11:12] <oranger> it's my first time to use ubuntu.
[11:13] <Dr_willis> Wee!
[11:13] <Dr_willis> !welcome | oranger
[11:14] <oranger> i like the KDE,but now i install two desktop.one is KDE and another is gnome.
[11:14] <flaccid_> oranger, install the package ubuntu-desktop
[11:14] <flaccid_> !gnome
[11:15] <Dr_willis> http://fosswire.com/2008/04/22/ubuntu-cheat-sheet/
[11:15] <Dr_willis> check out that URL oranger  it has some neat tips on installing the other desktops and  a cool referance sheet. :)
[11:16] <oranger> thank your.
[11:17] <oranger> is there anybody use ubuntu to develop java.
[11:17] <TRSohbet-231> ubottu that channel does not exist
[11:18] <TRSohbet-231> voglio parlare in italiano
[11:18] <TRSohbet-231> mi piace che c'e un bot che parla italiano almeno :)
[11:18] <se7en_> !it
[11:18] <TRSohbet-231> capisco :)
[11:19] <TRSohbet-231> non ha bisogno di repetere
[11:19] <PhilRod> TRSohbet-231: stick to english please - there are plenty of people in #ubuntu-it
[11:22] <TRSohbet-231> ubuntu-it That channel doesn't exist
[11:23] <se7en_>  /j #ubuntu-it
[11:23] <stdin> TRSohbet-231: make sure you put "#ubuntu-it", not "ubuntu-it"
[11:27] <_21h_> 2.6.25 in 8.04 repo now?
[11:28] <stdin> _21h_: no
[11:28] <_21h_> :(
[11:28] <_21h_> my wifi sucks :(
[11:28] <stdin> the only updates to a kernel after release are security ones
[11:28] <aidan_> I have a moderately serious problem with my computer. Its not exclusive to any OS, but when I try and boot the machine (i.e. press the power button), it doesn't turn on.
[11:29] <_21h_> check power supply
[11:29] <aidan_> I have to constantly hit this power button until it does. This is taking longer and longer to do each time I boot. What the hell could the problem be?
[11:29] <aidan_> _21h_: how do I check?
[11:29] <_21h_> i.e. power cable :)
[11:29] <Dr_willis> could be a bad switch/spring also
[11:29] <aidan_> _21h_: I've used 2 different power cables across 2 different OS's on two different power sockets
[11:30] <aidan_> Dr_willis: I also have problems going into 'standby' with xp and linux
[11:30] <_21h_> forget about OS. its ferrum problem
[11:30] <aidan_> so could that be a switch or bad PSU?
[11:30] <aidan_> _21h_: ferrum?
[11:30] <_21h_> hardware )
[11:30] <aidan_> yay
[11:30] <Dr_willis> standby is a problem. :)
[11:30] <aidan_> Dr_willis: :D
[11:31] <aidan_> so its either PSU or connections?
[11:31] <Dr_willis> or the switch in the case
[11:31] <aidan_> could the switch be stopping the computer going on standby though?
[11:31] <Dr_willis> hibernate/standby has always been a gamble.
[11:31] <viperserv1> is there away to get back some reserved space?
[11:32] <Dr_willis>  thats more of apci power bios issue.
[11:32] <aidan_> Dr_willis: It always used to work
[11:32] <aidan_> and it still does sometimes
[11:32] <aidan_> as randomly as me pressing the button though
[11:32] <Dr_willis> sometimes = that sounds like deeper hardware issues.
[11:32] <Dr_willis> viperserv1,  the tune2fs command can set reserved space
[11:32] <aidan_> ok so can I assume PSU?
[11:32] <se7en_> you could starting to role out the hdd if you boot a live cd ... aidan_
[11:32]  * _21h_ downloading 2.6.25 kernel sources
[11:32] <Dr_willis> viperserv1,  it wont see the changes till the system reboots I think.
[11:33] <aidan_> se7en_: so stop power to hdds?
[11:33] <Kifer> www.sonygsm.nmj.pl zapraszam do rejestracji
[11:34] <se7en_> no just check if every thing is fine on a live cd ... if everything works fine you have a problem with the hdd ...
[11:35] <_21h_> miha, qq )
[11:36] <_21h_> ti iz kakoy oblasti?
[11:36] <stdin> is that russian?
[11:36] <_21h_> yes. in translit.
[11:37] <stdin> ah, well #ubuntu-ru is the Russian language channel ;)
[11:37] <_21h_> :)))))
[11:38] <viperserv1> well there researved blocks
[11:38] <viperserv1> how many blocks does it take ot make 1 gb
[11:40] <ctpelok> всем привет
[11:40] <RuyalarPrensi> ctpelok:  hi
[11:40] <RuyalarPrensi> !russian
[11:42] <stdin> viperserv1: depends on the block size, if one block is 4K, then 256 blocks is 1GB
[11:42] <_21h_> ctpelok, :)
[11:42] <_21h_> ку, засранчег )
[11:42] <viperserv1> if the drive is bigger the block r too?
[11:43] <stdin> viperserv1: not necessarily, with ext2/3 use "sudo tune2fs -l /dev/<partition>|grep 'Block size'" to get the block size
[11:44] <stdin> it'll be printed in bytes, so if it's 4096 then it's 4K
[11:47] <viperserv1> tune2fs -r 4000 doesn't seem to work
[11:48] <Dr_willis> does one want to change the blocksize on a drive with data on it?
[11:48] <Dr_willis> I was thinking that was a bad idea
[11:48] <stdin> -r is the reserved block count iirc
[11:50] <Dr_willis> Ok.. :)  thats safe.. I belive. :) but the new count i do NOT think is noticed untill the drive is  remounted.
[11:50] <Dr_willis> I thouhg one gives a %# for the reserve amount.
[11:51]  * Dr_willis checks the man pages
[11:51] <stdin> apparently not, from the man page
[11:51] <grub> hey i need kubuntu which can run on 256mb ram {not xubuntu}
[11:51] <Dr_willis> i always use -m 1  :) for 1%
[11:51] <stdin> and I would suggest only editing this stuff from an unmounted partition
[11:51] <Dr_willis> Yea. good idea.
[11:52] <Dr_willis> You can change the label on a mounted filesystem. but it dident seem to take effect till i rebooted.
[11:52] <grub> can i run kubuntu on a 256mb ram machine? (i do not want xubuntu)
[11:54] <Dr_willis> i ran older kubuntu on a laptop with that much ram I think..
[11:54] <Dr_willis> might of been less..
[11:54] <Dr_willis> whats the rest of the specs for the box?
[11:54] <stdin> the live install may be painful though, I'd use the alternate install disk
[12:01] <Helios> How can i change my splash screen on Kubuntu 8.04?
[12:01] <stdin> !usplash
[12:03] <stdin> or System Settings -> Splash Screen for the KDE start up splash image
[12:06] <Helios> i do not find the splash screen icon... :S
[12:06] <Helios> i will restart my pc and be right back...
[12:12] <crs> Hi. I cant login via kdm. When i type in my password and press enter kdm starts to load kde but after a second or two it comes back to login screen. I have found out in .xsession-errors: permission danied: /dev/null. And yes, my user dont have perms to it. When I change them by root it works fine, but after reboot is still the same. Yesterday restarting dbus helps, but today didnt. What might be wrong? How can I fix it?
[12:13] <Dr_willis> thats... weird.
[12:13] <crs> Dr_willis: yes, that is indeed. ;-)
[12:14] <crs> I must say that i have add dbus to be started in cotrol panel in kde.
[12:15] <crs> Any ideas anyone? ;/
[12:18] <PhilRod> crs: take a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules - does it have an entry like:
[12:19] <TimS> SSJ_GZ: Do you know if the Qemu package for 8.04 works?
[12:19] <PhilRod> KERNEL=="null",                            MODE="0666"
[12:19] <TimS> Your site said it was broken for 7.10.
[12:19] <SSJ_GZ> TimS: Yep - I use it on my desktop :)
[12:19] <NikLP> ls -l
[12:19] <NikLP> HA!
[12:19] <NikLP> d'oh
[12:20] <TimS> SSJ_GZ: Do you use kqemu as well?
[12:20] <SSJ_GZ> TimS: Yep
[12:20] <TimS> Any of the guis reccomended or just CLI?
[12:21] <NikLP> hm I'm running Ku8.04 inside virtual box, I'm a little confused by the network stuff... I can connect to websites, but not ping them - VB and the network card are set up to run thru NAT
[12:21] <NikLP> any clues as to how to sort that out?
[12:21] <Dr_willis> a lot of web sutes may not reply to pings
[12:21] <NikLP> well, specifically my own site, and google do not reply
[12:21] <crs> PhilRod: No, I have few KENRLE== lines, but not with NULL ;/
[12:22] <NikLP> these both definitely normally do :)
[12:22] <Dr_willis> NikLP,  looks like somthing ot do with VirtualBox. PuppyLinux here inside Vbox is not gettting Pings back from google.com
[12:22] <flaccid_> well icmp echo has to be passed down the line
[12:23] <crs> PhilRod: ok, i have fount it in 40-basic-perrmision.rules. And there is: KERNEL=="null"     MODE="0666" which seems to be good. ;/
[12:23] <NikLP> Dr_willis: any idea why? do you have VB/card set up to run thru NAT?
[12:23] <crs> found*
[12:23] <crs> PhilRod: and this is onsly one entry like that in this file
[12:24] <Dr_willis> NikLP,  no idea why.
[12:24] <Dr_willis> I would guess its to do with the way NAT is working
[12:24] <NikLP> :/
[12:24] <NikLP> yeah...
[12:26] <doktoreas> hello folks
[12:26] <doktoreas> can I stop a shell running when an error happen?
[12:26] <Odd-rationale> doktoreas: try ctrl+c ?
[12:27] <doktoreas> Odd-rationale: Hi! I mean automatically..like when it plays a sound
[12:28] <flaccid_> doktoreas, nope
[12:28]  * Dr_willis is still confused..
[12:28] <Odd-rationale> doktoreas: i dunno about that... :/
[12:28] <flaccid_> don't know why you would need/want to anyway
[12:28] <flaccid_> technically its possible but you would have to mod konsole or another console emulator
[12:29] <Dr_willis> Im not sure even what hes trying to do.
[12:30] <doktoreas> thanks for all the info..
[12:30] <flaccid_> np
[12:30] <doktoreas> I was just trying to find a way to stop the bash script for running when the system bell plays
[12:31] <flaccid_> the question is why you would need to do that. that should be the responsibility of the script
[12:31] <Dr_willis> doktoreas,  what if some other app plays the bell?  in another shell.. or anotehr user.
[12:31] <eagles0513875> !sendmail
[12:31] <eagles0513875> hey flaccid
[12:31] <eagles0513875> does anyone have any good online manuals for bind and sendmail
[12:31] <doktoreas> Dr_willis: when doing this computetion nothing else runs
[12:32] <Dr_willis> doktoreas,  that still dosent mean the OS is now a 'single tasking Os'
[12:32] <Dr_willis> Unless you are doing soem very deep programing.
[12:32] <flaccid_> eagles0513875, i just use google and wiki i guess
[12:32] <Dr_willis> If thats the case.. then whats going to ring the bell anyway?
[12:32] <flaccid_> doktoreas, what does that mean?
[12:32]  * Dr_willis is just gettting more and more confused.
[12:32] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:32] <eagles0513875> whats the issue u getting confused with doc
[12:33] <flaccid_> people want to do some out there stuff sometimes
[12:33] <eagles0513875> lol whats the issue
[12:33] <Dr_willis> thats what im wondering.... whats the actual issue... :)
[12:33] <ubuntu> buongiorno
[12:34] <eagles0513875> !it
[12:34] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: lol
[12:34] <Dr_willis> the script runs till it exits, or gets sent a signal.
[12:34] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:34] <eagles0513875> i need to figure out how to script
[12:34] <eagles0513875> cuz i want to write one which will query my other laptop and upate all my music on here
[12:34] <eagles0513875> !webmin
[12:35] <eagles0513875> wtf
[12:35] <eagles0513875> why is a debian pkg available for webmin
[12:35] <eagles0513875> !ebox
[12:35] <Dr_willis> webmin has been dead for ages.
[12:35] <Dr_willis> under ubuntu and debian
[12:35] <eagles0513875> Dr_willis: on the site they have a pkg for debian available
[12:35] <Dr_willis> You can easially install the source.
[12:35] <jussi01> eagles0513875: just because there is one there, doent mean its supported
[12:35] <Dr_willis> the fact they have a deb for it.. dosent mean much. :)
[12:36] <eagles0513875> jussi01: gotcha
[12:36] <eagles0513875> so u saying i should uninstall it
[12:36] <Dr_willis> If you like it.. use it..
[12:36] <Dr_willis> we dont care. :P
[12:36] <jussi01> !u > eagles0513875
[12:36] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:36] <GSiTurbo> :)
[12:36]  * eagles0513875 bangs head on desk
[12:36] <Dr_willis> I would be sure to confogure it to ONLY allow access from localhost.
[12:36] <eagles0513875> so dont us it on a server server
[12:37] <eagles0513875> im going to take a look at ebox
[12:37] <Dr_willis> I would NOt use it on an imporntant machine. :)
[12:37] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:37] <eagles0513875> this is a dev test machine
[12:37] <eagles0513875> might end up turning it into some sorta server lol
[12:37] <Dr_willis> Theres a reason that for years   that  webmin has been considered a security issue. :)
[12:37] <eagles0513875> well i have to tell other people i know who use it that its a security issue on debian based machines
[12:38] <Dr_willis> all the disrtos have been getting 'firmer' on security lately.
[12:38] <flaccid_> there is no need for webmin in kubuntu anyway.
[12:38] <Dr_willis> In any case. I  would be SURE to  restrict it to localhost ONLY for connections if you are using it.
[12:38] <eagles0513875> flaccid_: O_o
[12:44] <eagles0513875> now to figure out how to run ebox now that its installed
[12:48] <eagles0513875> now with ebox how do i admin a mysql server from the web interface or a bind or apache or samba server
[12:49] <eagles0513875> !ebox
[12:53] <crs> Hmm. What is at boot: kernel event manager? Because it fails to start. ;/
[12:55] <cef> does the upgrade tool (from gutsy to hard) pull files from your local (currently configured) mirror, or the main one?
[12:55] <cef> err.. gutsy to hardy even
[12:56] <larsivi> cef: currently configured
[12:56] <cef> larsivi: ahh good. local mirror is free traffic. :D
[12:57] <larsivi> cef: you will see pretty soon though - as it downloads quite a few bits prior to the actual upgrade
[12:58] <cef> larsivi: cool. any idea what happens if the files don't download properly?
[12:59] <larsivi> cef: if it happens in the start, the upgrade is aborted
[12:59] <eagles0513875> cef: it will tell u it might break something and stop the installation
[13:00] <cef> good.. been there befoer and had it fail (straight ubuntu, a while ago mind you) and yeah.. trashed things
[13:00] <eagles0513875> lol did that bout a week ago
[13:01] <eagles0513875> i installed a pkg and i dont remember which and it trashed my network
[13:02] <cef> might leave it to the weekend tho.. 10pm now.. it'd be like 2am before it finished if it's the same speed as last time I upgraded ubuntu
[13:02] <crs> Hmm. I get udev out of the starting at boot services, and now loging into x works. But networking stops ;/ I had tu run dhclient by a hand. ;/
[13:03] <cef> <-- only just got my dsl fixed - hence why I never did it back when it was released
[13:03] <eagles0513875> cef: u upgrading from gutsy
[13:03] <cef> eagles0513875: yup
[13:04] <eagles0513875> i dunno what the new upgrade routine is like but i used to end up more problems then it was worth
[13:04] <eagles0513875> i recomut thats just memend a clean install b
[13:04] <eagles0513875> *i recommend a clean install but that is just me
[13:04] <cef> unlikely to happen .. too much stuff
[13:05] <cef> anyway thanks all
[13:08] <dawa> plop les gens
[13:24] <crs> Hmm, guys, I really need help now. I have broken something with init scripts. Hal is not starting, network is starting but is not making eth0 interface so i have no network. I need to run dhclient by myself. dbus is probably not starting as well. udev is either not starting or not working. ;/
[13:24] <crs> How can I restore init scripts to default state?
[13:24] <crs> as it was before I touched it ;/
[13:28] <ahmed> hallo
[13:28] <ahmed> im admed from iraq
[13:28] <advanced_> !flash
[13:29] <advanced_> Hi ppl i need help with flash
[13:29] <advanced_> Is here anyone who can me help ?
[13:30] <ahmed_> hi i have VGA nvidia tnt/tnt2 model 64 i want to  install its driver i downloaded NVIDIA-Linux-x86-71.86.04-pkg1.run then i press ctrl+Alt+F7 and log in and use the command sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-71.86.04-pkg1.run it says you have to exit X server first how i do that??
[13:31] <ahmed_> sorry i press trl_Alt+F1
[13:31] <advanced_> who can me help ?
[13:32] <GSiTurbo> thats wrong?
[13:32] <ahmed_> * i have VGA nvidia tnt/tnt2 model 64 i want to  install its driver i downloaded NVIDIA-Linux-x86-71.86.04-pkg1.run then i press ctrl+Alt+F1 and log in and use the command sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-71.86.04-pkg1.run it says you have to exit X server first how i do that??
[13:35] <GSiTurbo> type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[13:36] <ahmed_> ok thanks man  i'll try
[13:36] <br0ken`> this just a help channel or general chat as well?
[13:37] <stdin> br0ken`: just support, general chat is in #kubuntu-offtopic
[13:38] <PhilRod> before I spend forever googling, is there a generic "help! my sound doesn't work in hardy!" page somewhere?
[13:38] <crs> Nobody knows how can I restore system services to default? ;/
[13:38] <br0ken`> k well i do need a little help... id like to make a little script to run something whenever my system is booted
[13:38] <br0ken`> not just when a certain user logs in
[13:39] <br0ken`> the BOINC manager for worldcommunitygrid
[13:45] <BluesKaj> hmm,  error in commiting packages...well why does the notifier not warn me first. I thought the upgrades were package specific and would account for some apps not working or not being required for a particlular setup beforehand.
[13:46] <BluesKaj> I guess the dev guys aren't perfect :)
[14:07] <s_> hello, on my kubuntu desktop  - using partly kde4 there are no coloured icons and no related pathes to the programm that should start  files or archives for exaxample - what can i do?
[14:08] <s_> for example, there is a folder on the desktop, but it wont be recognized aw a folder.
[14:08] <s_> and there is a questionmark on all of those.
[14:11] <crs> hmm, Im getting error while udev is trying to start. How can I check exactly why?
[14:13] <crimsun> crs: what's the error?
[14:13] <crs> crimsun: that is a thing. I dont know. ;/
[14:14] <crs> crimsun: Do you know how can I restore initscripts state do distro default?
[14:14] <crimsun> crs: sure, revert all the changes you made.
[14:14] <crs> crimsun: imposible. ;/ I hyave tried to many combination after it stops working ;/
[14:15] <crimsun> crs: hint: see /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst for the packages that own /etc/init.d/* files.
[14:15] <crimsun> it is most definitely possible.
[14:15] <crimsun> crs: it'd be helpful to narrow down where udev is complaining.
[14:16] <crimsun> crs: i.e., pre-mount?
[14:16] <crs> crimsun: all what i know is that it fails while booting ;/
[14:16] <crs> crimsun: pre-boot?
[14:17] <crimsun> no, I mean specific points.
[14:17] <crimsun> i.e., see /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/ if you aren't familiar.
[14:17] <crimsun> (don't modify /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/ ; just look there for the points I'm referring to)
[14:18] <crs> crimsun: I have got there only couple empty dirs ;/
[14:18] <crimsun> ok, sanity-check:  is this a Kubuntu install?
[14:19] <crs> crimsun: Yes. Quite new, only couple days old.
[14:19] <crimsun> of 6.06? 7.04? 7.10? 8.04?
[14:22] <crs> crimsun: Yesterday I looked at system services in kde control. I have realized that udev is not starting at boot so i chacked it to be starting. Then after reboot i could not login into x, reseach I have done told me yhat I have no right to /dev/null. And yes, only root had. While I restart udev it starts working (change perms). Today story was the same, but restarting udev didnt help. I had to change perm by the hand. But then i didnt have networking and hal p
[14:22] <crs> crimsun: 8.04
[14:23] <crs> crimsun: What I'd like to do it restore all scripts as they were after installation and purge and reinstall udev... ;/
[14:23] <crs> bot i have no idea how, cos apt-get purge udev wants to remove many other packages...
[14:24] <crimsun> dpkg --force-depends
[14:24] <crimsun> and, please don't mess with udev again.
[14:24] <crimsun> if you're not comfortable with dpkg --force-depends -r, you may wish to reconsider reinstalling 8.04.
[14:25] <crimsun> (it's not complicated, but it's fragile and fairly dangerous)
[14:25] <crs> crimsun: I'm quite literate with linux, I have been using gentoo for number of years. But i feel completly lost in kubuntu and .deb things. :)
[14:26] <crs> crimsun: I have nothing to lose. I just want to have a fresgh, celan installation of udev and start scripts at the default stage. They must sit in some package... ;/
[14:27] <crimsun> crs: many packages provide files in /etc/init.d/
[14:27] <crs> crimsun: Yeah, but I mean basic system...
[14:27] <crimsun> what does "basic" mean?
[14:27] <crs> But ok, it cant be very difficult to make a list of them and reinstall...
[14:28] <crs> crimsun: base system i mean
[14:28] <crimsun> so you'd be looking at ubuntu-minimal (and ubuntu-standard, if you wish)
[14:29] <crimsun> there are multiple ways of achieving what you want, but the easiest by far is a simple reinstall.
[14:30] <crs> crimsun: and I will lost packages which i have installed after kubuntu installation?
[14:31] <crs> ok, i have purge udev, deleted /etc/udev and installed it again
[14:32] <crs> ok, udev seems to be working
[14:32] <crimsun> crs: please realise that additional packages install into /etc/udev
[14:32] <crs> ups, you are right ;/
[14:33] <crs> I should have been copy them somewhere ;/
[14:33] <crimsun> dpkg -S /etc/udev
[14:33] <crimsun> then make sure you reinstall those packages.
[14:33] <eagles0513875> lol this sound like me when i dont know what im doing i start doing stuff and breaking things
[14:34] <crs> eagles0513875: ;-)
[14:34]  * RuyalarPrensi ben gider hacı bye
[14:34] <eagles0513875> crs: you new to linux
[14:34] <crs> crimsun: Can i use apt-get to reinstall all packages currently installed in system?
[14:35] <crs> eagles0513875: No, I'm new to debian based systems. ;-)
[14:35] <eagles0513875> crs: this should help you out its my website which is still a work in progress http://howtokubuntu.x10hosting.com
[14:35] <crs> eagles0513875: what is there? ;-)
[14:36] <eagles0513875> right now just a forum
[14:36] <eagles0513875> working on putting up simplified how to's
[14:36] <crs> ok, let me check if it is working now
[14:36] <crs> I'll be right back :)
[14:36] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:36] <eagles0513875> crs: u have to signup for both the site and forum
[14:36] <crs> Please don't laught at me while I'm absent :)
[14:42] <ccy> zenmehanhua
[14:42] <crs> Hello again. ;-)
[14:42] <crs> Victory!  ;-)
[14:42] <crs> me vs kubuntu: 1:0 ;-)
[14:43] <crs> done it works now. I knew it was something with udev. ;-)
[14:44] <crs> crimsun: Thank you very much for your help. ;-) Another one thing is.. how can I reinstall every package which puts something in udevs dirs?
[14:45] <crimsun> crs: look at the output from `dpkg -S /etc/udev'
[14:45] <crimsun> those are the packages that are registered as touching /etc/udev
[14:46] <crs> only udev is there ;/
[14:46] <crimsun> libpisock9, brltty, mdadm, dmsetup, alsa-utils, libgphoto2-2, fuse-utils, udev, util-linux, hplip, libnjb5, libsane, lvm2, libmtp7, xserver-xorg-input-wacom, ifupdown, foo2zjs, hal, pcmciautils, hdparm: /etc/udev
[14:46] <KingOfDos|lap> great. i've got 5 kubuntu 8.04 CD's and 2 64bit versions. :D
[14:46] <KingOfDos|lap> deliverd on my birthday (today :) )
[14:46] <KingOfDos|lap> :D
[14:47] <crs> crimsun:
[14:47] <crs> # dpkg -S /etc/udev
[14:47] <crs> udev: /etc/udev
[14:47] <crs> thas is it ;/
[14:48] <eagles0513875> crs: u like the site
[14:50] <crs> eagles0513875: May I have a link once again, please? I've been using irssi in console before...
[14:52] <eagles0513875> crs:  http://howtokubuntu.x10hosting.com be aware its a site still in development
[14:52] <eagles0513875> crs: plz spread the word about the site to your fellow kubuntu users
[14:53] <crs> eagles0513875: it is suspended...
[14:53] <eagles0513875> no its not
[14:54] <eagles0513875> crs: ill work on inserting ad's
[14:54] <eagles0513875> thats the reason my account is an ad hosting
[14:54] <eagles0513875> account
[14:54] <crs> all what i see is ads ant i;ve been redirected to: http://staff.x10hosting.com/suspended.page/
[14:54] <eagles0513875> same here
[14:55] <eagles0513875> its cuz my webpg doesnt have any ad's and mine is ad hosting pkg
[14:55] <eagles0513875> crs: ill work on it and get back to you on it
[14:55] <kamui> Anyone using kde4?  I need to know where to put autostarting scripts for KDM4.  Im trying to get the synergy server to launch at boot after X and kdm start, but before a user logs in
[14:56] <crs> eagles0513875: ok
[14:57] <eagles0513875> crs: just got it unsuspended
[14:57] <genii> kamui: PErhaps they'll have a better idea in #kubuntu-kde4
[15:00] <eagles0513875> crs: the site should be back up
[15:02] <crs> eagles0513875: Yes it is, but it is empty ;/
[15:03] <eagles0513875> crs: u have to sign up
[15:03] <rophy> hello folks
[15:04] <crs> eagles0513875: aa, ok :)
[15:04] <crs> crimsun: Have you got an idea why my dpkg -S list is so empty? ;/
[15:04] <eagles0513875> crs: security measures
[15:05] <eagles0513875> dont want no bots spamming my site
[15:05] <rophy> no heelo back?
[15:05] <crs> rophy: Hi :)
[15:06] <rophy> question abt apollo,anyone?
[15:07] <crs> ater apt-get update i have got with upgrade: The following packages have been kept back:
[15:07] <crs>   kmplayer kmplayer-base kmplayer-konq-plugins linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[15:07] <crs>   linux-restricted-modules-generic
[15:07] <eagles0513875> crs: run the same command but with dist-upgrade
[15:08] <rophy> QUESTION ABOUT APOLLO ANYONE?
[15:08] <crs> ups, sorry for multiline ;/ The first three of them are keep by me. i want them in this version, but why there are some new as well?
[15:08] <eagles0513875> crs: dunno
[15:08] <eagles0513875> crs: is ur nick registered
[15:09] <crs> eagles0513875: yy, should be...
[15:09] <crs> yes.
[15:09] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:09] <rophy> eagles .pigons.owes ...anyone knows abt Apollo?
[15:10] <crs> rophy: sorry, but if nobody responds that means something... ;/
[15:10] <eagles0513875> rophy: ?
[15:10] <eagles0513875> rophy: you talking about pidgin
[15:10] <rophy> means what :'(
[15:10] <rophy> no apollo the file sharing p2p program
[15:11] <eagles0513875> never used it
[15:11] <eagles0513875> !patience | rophy
[15:11] <eagles0513875> i havent tried apollo but what issue you having with it
[15:11] <crs> rophy: it is dc client, isnt it?
[15:12] <rophy> it keeps on CONNECTING to the networks (like ares) and never connects
[15:12] <eagles0513875> rophy: is this on hardy or an upgrade from gutsy to hardy
[15:12] <crs> I have tried that app long time ago. didnt work as well
[15:12] <eagles0513875> !p2p
[15:12] <eagles0513875> !p2p | rophy
[15:13] <eagles0513875> try one of those other ones
[15:13] <rophy> but i love ares
[15:13] <eross> ﻿after the update, my awn- install finally broke and now i'm at 640x480. After removing awn- and trying to update, I'm still at 640x480, how can i fix that
[15:13] <rophy> and apollon is the one who can use ares
[15:13] <eagles0513875> rophy: u can get ares to run using wine on her ei have done it and it works
[15:14] <rophy> what the ei?
[15:14] <eagles0513875> !wine | rophy
[15:15] <eagles0513875> rophy: i have used the program above to get utorrent to work on here as well as ares
[15:15] <rophy> i know wine
[15:15] <rophy> am askin abt her ei that u mentioned
 rophy: u can get ares to run using wine on her ei have done it and it works
[15:15] <eagles0513875> *here i
[15:16] <eross> the linux-header-2.6.24.16 restricted won't work on 2.6.24.17?
[15:16] <rophy> lol okai thank u
[15:16] <rophy> i am on it
[15:16] <eross> I'm in process of installing .17 restricted drivers
[15:16] <crs> how can I reinstall package using apt?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> crs, if you've uninsalled it first
[15:17] <llutz> crs: apt-get install --reinstall package
[15:17] <crs> llutz: thanks
[15:19] <BluesKaj> I've found reinstalling is sometimes messy with a package that's been upgraded
[15:19] <BluesKaj> if at first you don't remove the installed one
[15:19] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: wouldnt the pkg that you will be installin be the updated package thats in the repos
[15:20] <crs> ok, it still didnt solve my problem /
[15:20] <crs> cp: cannot stat `/etc/udev/rules.d/65-dmsetup.rules': No such file or directory
[15:20] <crs> its from # dpkg-reconfigure udev
[15:20] <llutz>  dpkg-reconfigure dmsetup
[15:21] <crs> llutz: the same ;/
[15:21] <eagles0513875> dpkg is a mess to work with in regards to dependencies
[15:24] <genii> crs: http://pastebin.com/m23afae93 has the contents of that file on my system
[15:24] <crs> genii: oh, thanks ;-)
[15:24] <crs> but i will try first purge it and install once again
[15:25] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, there are broken depencies in some cases , so the right ones aren't fetched from the repos , hence a broken pkg.
[15:25] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: got it
[15:25] <BluesKaj> dependencies
[15:25] <crs> Ok, it works now. :)
[15:26] <eagles0513875> :) so purging and reinstalling fixed it
[15:26] <crs> yes
[15:26] <genii> Good
[15:26] <eagles0513875> :)
[15:27] <crs> genii: thanks anyway
[15:27] <genii> crs: np
[15:27] <BluesKaj> crs eagles0513875 , it isn't always the case , but I've found a few here and there that needed to be removed or purged before reinstallation, but not many.
[15:28] <crs> weird a bit :)
[15:29] <joshuafr> hi all
[15:29] <joshuafr> Is there someone who can tell me how to have servicemenus activated under dolphin-kde4, I've copied all .desktop from the old konqueror directory to ~/.kde4/share/kde4/services/ServiceMenus but not result :-(
[15:29] <kamui> so no way to autostart anything in KDE4's KDM?
[15:29] <kamui> the only solution is to downgrade and use KDM3?
[15:30] <genii> kamui: Did you ask yet in #kubuntu-kde4 channel?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> joshuafr, thatsounds like a question for  #kubuntu-kde4
[15:30] <kamui> no, didn't know about that channel
[15:30] <kamui> thanks
[15:31] <joshuafr> BluesKaj: ok thanks
[15:32] <eagles0513875> !ebox | crs
[15:32] <genii> /msg ubottu cipux
[15:32] <genii> hmm
[15:32] <eagles0513875> ?
[15:32] <kamui> thanks, they told me the same
[15:32] <eagles0513875> genii: what u trying to do
[15:32] <kamui> no big deal
[15:33] <genii> eagles0513875: Start a session with the bot beginning with a query about the server admin tool called cipux. But I put an extra slash by mistake
[15:34] <eagles0513875> genii: lol
[15:35] <rophy> eagles ..ares worked with wine thanxxxxxxxxxxx a lot
[15:35] <eagles0513875> genii: random question do you like the idea of an irc chat tailored specifically for the ubuntu distro
[15:35] <eagles0513875> rophy: no problem hit me up if you need any more help
[15:35] <genii> eagles0513875: Of course :)
[15:35] <rophy> thanx ;)
[15:35] <eagles0513875> rophy: no problem
[15:36] <eagles0513875> genii: what language do you think it should be programmed in
[15:36] <genii> eagles0513875: C
[15:37] <eagles0513875> c++
[15:37] <nosrednaekim> why a new IRC client?
[15:37] <nosrednaekim> konversation is perfect..
[15:37] <eagles0513875> nosrednaekim: lol
[15:40] <eagles0513875> what program can i use to create iso's
[15:40] <eagles0513875> !iso
[15:40] <llutz> eagles0513875: from cd/dvd? cat
[15:40] <eagles0513875> llutz: its a dl
[15:40] <eagles0513875> llutz: wait
[15:40] <eagles0513875> llutz: its going to be from another cd
[15:43] <crs> eagles0513875: you can use dd to create iso file from cd/dvd-rom
[15:44] <genii> eg: sudo dd if=/dev/dvd of=~/Desktop/mysiofile.iso
[15:44] <crs> llutz: Do you know how can i check which packages puts wheirs files intu /etc/udev? dpkg -S /etc/udev shows only udev. ;/
[15:44] <llutz> data-cd: cat /dev/cdrom >file.iso faster than dd
[15:46] <genii> llutz: If you use bs=2048 with dd it speeds up considerably on doing cds/dvds
[15:47] <llutz> genii: sure but i prefer cat, less to type
[15:47] <llutz> crs dlocate /etc/udev
[15:48] <nosrednaekim> hey.... I have a vob file... what do you guys reccomend I use to burn it to a DVD?
[15:48] <nosrednaekim> !dvd
[15:48] <philsf> hello, I can't get kmail to recognize my ~/Mail/inbox (maildir format). The inbox does not appear at all in the local folders list, and if I make a symlink inbox2 -> inbox, both appear, but the messages therein only appear in inbox2. any hints on how can I debug to see what's going on?
[15:49] <crs> llutz: command not found. But what i mean is i have purge udev, deleted /etc/udev dir and install udev again. But then crimsun told me that there was more files not only from udev. How can i check what to reinmstall them?
[15:49] <nosrednaekim> philsf: are you importing them?
[15:50] <nosrednaekim> philsf: otherwise you need a symlink between .kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/inbox  and that DIR
[15:52] <llutz> crs maybe you can use the output of dlocate (install package "dlocate") to find all those packages, i'm not sure if that will work
[15:52] <philsf> nosrednaekim: strange, I always used ~/Mail as the foldersdir (since kde 3.2, I think). is .kde/share/apps/kmail/mail/ a "new" default?
[15:53] <nosrednaekim> in kubuntu, its the default
[15:53] <nosrednaekim> I symlinked it to ~/mail since I hate having things in .kde that are valuable
[15:54] <philsf> nosrednaekim: that explains why it disappeared, since I just erased my old confs. It appears now, but still looks empty. any ideas why?
[15:55] <ahmed> i was trying to install new driver for nvidia tnt/tnt2 model 64 how to know i installed it fine??? cause i had some troubles while i install it
[15:55] <philsf> nosrednaekim: I should also add that the inbox is a symlink to ~/Maildir, which in turn is being used by a local imap server
[15:56] <nosrednaekim> :P
[15:56] <llutz> crs "sudo apt-get install dlocate && sudo apt-get install --reinstall $(dlocate /etc/udev|cut -f 1 -d:|sort -u) "
[15:56] <philsf> nosrednaekim: do you think this could be a lock issue?
[15:56] <nosrednaekim> ahmed: use the legacy driver
[15:56] <nosrednaekim> philsf: IDK... I use POP
[15:56] <ahmed> nosrednaekim: how is that|??
[15:57] <crs> llutz: /usr/bin/locate.findutils: /var/lib/dlocate/dlocatedb: No such file or directory but i have just done updatedb.findutils ;/
[15:57] <llutz> crs sudo update-dlocatedb
[15:58] <nosrednaekim> ahmed: nvidia-glx-legacy
[15:58] <crs> llutz: got it! thanks. ;-)
[15:59] <ahmed> nosrednaekim: where is that?? i typed in consle get error
[16:01] <dor0> how can i scroll up the boot messages?
[16:01] <dor0> i need to check one failure
[16:02] <nosrednaekim> !nvidia | ahmed
[16:02] <nosrednaekim> dor0: they should all be in /var/log/messages
[16:02] <dor0> cant find them
[16:02] <dor0> :(
[16:02] <crs> llutz, crimsun and the other who helped me: Thanks guys for you help. My system is working perfectly again. Thanks a lot. :)
[16:03] <aditya> @anyone, i`m new to kubuntu. i`ve installed it with file system ext3. i saw other options. which one is the best?
[16:03] <llutz> only messages occured after syslogd start are logged into /var/log
[16:03] <Steve-cal> aditya: ext3 was the best choice. :)
[16:03] <crs> aditya: it depends. If you are asking that question tha means that ext3 is the best for you.
[16:03] <llutz> dor0: enable bootlogd if you need all
[16:04] <aditya> thanks steve, crs
[16:04] <dor0> i have one [FAIL] between all the [OK] but i cant see it, the messages are scrolling down so fast
[16:05] <aditya> anyone from india? or is there any seperate channel for discussion bcoz i need help regarding DATAONE broadband.. pls help
[16:06] <ahmed> thsank i'll check
[16:06] <szakulec> did it happen in around messages about the firewall?
[16:11] <nosrednaekim> !in
[16:12] <nzk> Liferea won't start for me. It is about to start, but then it quits.
[16:29] <ubuntu> hello
[16:32] <aditya> which one`s the best deownload manager for kub? someone pls help
[16:32] <aditya> *download
[16:33] <genii> aditya: I prefer the Firefox extension of GetThemAll which is very good
[16:33] <genii> nzk: Does it give any informative error messages?
[16:34] <Helios> Can anyone please tell me how can i host a file in linux?
[16:34] <crs> Helios: You can use ftp server for example
[16:34] <Tm_T> kpf!
[16:34] <Helios> ok
[16:34] <genii> Helios: Please define more clearly "hosting a file"
[16:35] <genii> file to ftp, a torrent, webpages...?
[16:35] <Helios> i want to make my pc into a file server for some time... just like there is the http file sharing...
[16:36] <melkart> there is a file server mini applet for the task bar
[16:36] <drif> is nvidia 7600gs safe bet under ubuntu?
[16:39] <Helios> better take an nvidia 8800GT :)
[16:40] <BluesKaj> do you guys have a browser that will play the videos on this site ? http://tinyurl.com/4ygmlo
[16:40] <drif> Helios: bad answer I'm afraid :D just needed to know if there's any problems I should know about
[16:40] <Helios> well no problems...
[16:41] <Helios> i use 7300GT
[16:41] <Dragnslcr> drif- I have a 7900, and it works fine
[16:41] <Helios> yeah... Kubuntu recognises it and installs it's new driver...
[16:42] <drif> just wanted to replace my integrated GPU with something cheap (2nd hand) and stop that noise :-\
[16:42] <drif> god I hate Asus boards
[16:43] <Helios> in fact ASUS boards are known to be the best ones... :S
[16:43] <Helios> isn't it???
[16:43] <drif> well, they are the noisiest son of the b*tches I've ever heard :(
[16:44] <Helios> well guys what u all use as mainboards??? :S
[16:44] <drif> practically breaks the sonic barrier when cpu operates at 100% power scheme - and I don't mean noise from the fans
[16:45] <drif> re Helios
[16:45] <Pramod> lol
[16:46] <Pramod> seems some1 took my nick :(
[16:46] <drif> better register yours then..
[16:46] <Pramod> yeah... guys where can i foind out abt the best mainboards????
[16:46] <Pramod> how i register?
[16:46] <drif> Pramod: /msg nickserv help
[16:47] <antoranz> Hi, guys!
[16:47] <antoranz> Can anybody help me out here?
[16:47] <drif> antoranz: just ask the question
[16:48] <antoranz> i upgraded from hardy on a presario V3000 and X has no keyboard nor mouse input
[16:48] <drif> antoranz: if someone knows the answer - you'll most likely get it
[16:48] <ubuntu> could someone write me the commands to mount my disk on the live-cd please ?
[16:49] <Pramod> REGISTER
[16:49] <antoranz> at least I can switch to the virtual terminals, but X receives no input (can't even kill it with alt+ctrl+backspace)
[16:49] <drif> Pramod: do not talk to the channel, talk to nickserv instead
[16:49] <Pramod> ok thanks :D
[16:49] <antoranz> ubuntu: plain old mount
[16:49] <ubuntu> antoraz: ??
[16:50] <ubuntu> antoranz *
[16:50] <antoranz> antoraNz
[16:50] <ubuntu> ^^
[16:50] <antoranz> so... nobody knows how to go on the X problem?
[16:53] <lars_> What's the best way to switch from Kubuntu to Xubuntu? Clean install or apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
[16:57] <Pramod_Helios> u can install xubuntu-desktop...
[16:57] <chipbuddy> i just asked this last night, but i want to ask a different batch of people to make sure i'm not doing anything incredibly stupid. i installed some RAM that is faster than my mobo can support. will my mobo just step down the speed and everything will be fine? i'm running memtest on that computer now. if i do'nt see any errors after a while can i assume everything is working fine?
[16:58] <llutz> chipbuddy: yes, yes
[16:58] <chipbuddy> great.
[16:59] <TimS> !info simutrans
[17:04] <phoenixz> Hi there, is there anything known about kontact being *extremely* instable on kubuntu (either KDE3 or KDE4) ??  On average, kontact can crash after 2 seconds or 5 minutes, usually there is no real indication how or why.. it just crashes all the time, easily some 20 times a day.. :(
[17:04] <phoenixz> Asked in the kontact channel, and they told me it should run without problems, at least, it does so with them, so maybe its the OS..
[17:07] <PhilRod_> phoenixz: any unusual conditions? large folders, intermittent network, many filters, ...?
[17:08] <PhilRod_> (just guessing)
[17:13] <phoenixz> PhilRod_> Got some larger folders yeah, a server that is not available sometimes.. but its different all the time.. sometimes it also crashes wihtout any of htat
[17:14] <PhilRod_> phoenixz: perhaps you have one rogue message somewhere that's causing the crash. Can you get backtraces from the crashes? Are they all the same?
[17:16] <PhilRod_> phoenixz: (you'll need kdepim-dbg and kdelibs-dbg installed to get useful backtraces)
[17:16] <phoenixz> PhilRod_> don't think so... got different crashes for different reasons.. sometimes I just start kontact and don't look at it.. Im working in anohter program and BOOM, there it goes
[17:17] <phoenixz> PhilRod_> I'll happily send backtraces :) just say how
[17:17] <MurielGodoi> Hi,  Anyone knows if Firefox 3 rc1 will be available in Ubuntu repositories?
[17:17] <PhilRod_> phoenixz: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports#Preparing_your_KDE_packages
[17:21] <Krooks> How is the 8.04 ?Is it ok ?
[17:21] <Krooks> will it run  on a Pentium 3 ?
[17:22] <phoenixz> PhilRod_> I'll read it, thanks!
[17:22] <genii> MurielGodoi: No new answer on that since you asked yesterday
[17:24] <MurielGodoi> genil: Sorry but I didn't understand you. I did not ask it before
[17:25] <aidan_> best freeware webiste design program?
[17:25] <llutz> !best | aidan_
[17:26] <aidan_> ok, A website design tool?
[17:26] <llutz> vi, kate, quanta, lots other
[17:26] <ScorpKing> does anyone know how to zoom into the timeline with openmovieeditor?
[17:29] <corinth> How do I change my default from gdm to kdm?
[17:32] <phoenixz> PhilRod_> in any case, kontact has lots more weird errors.. spam filter does not filter spam.. it does, however, make 20 copies of every message in my inbox, effectively making it even worse :)
[17:32] <phoenixz> or another nice one.. sorting on date.. and even then I'll still find messages of today halfway in the list..
[17:32] <PhilRod_> hm, I don't have that problem, although I think I set up the spam filtering manually
[17:33] <PhilRod_> ok, problems with sorting on date I've seen. It was never bad enough to really bother me though (usually works fine)
[17:33] <PhilRod_> I wonder if you have some corrupted index files lying around
[17:34] <phoenixz> PhilRod_> the date thing is more like anoying..
[17:34] <PhilRod_> is your mail on imap or stored locally?
[17:34] <phoenixz> PhilRod_> thing is.. I've re-setup everything like 5 times already and its always the same..
[17:34] <phoenixz> PhilRod_> so cant really be corrupted index, since I dumped everythign before I restarted
[17:40] <PhilRod_> phoenixz: I guess your best bet is to collect a few backtraces and see if you can see any pattern then
[17:42] <genii> corinth: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm                 then choose kdm (assuming it's installed)
[17:42] <phoenixz> PhilRod_> okay, thanks lots!
[17:42] <genii> Bah. Thats what happens when I start typing an answer then get called away, return and finish typing the line
[17:42]  * genii sips more coffee
[17:44]  * Pramod is exploring the new Kubuntu :)
[17:52] <antoranz_> Guys! I want to complain about a word that is incorrectly used in KDE (es)
[17:52] <antoranz_> who do I have to bother on it?
[17:53] <genii> The maintainer of the spanish translation of KDE.
[17:54] <antoranz_> ok... who's he/she?
[17:54] <llutz> i think "Martin Pitt <martin.pitt@ubuntu.com>" according to "aptitude show language-pack-kde-es"
[17:55] <llutz> antoranz_: ^^
[17:55] <antoranz_> OK... let me mail him
[17:56] <genii> antoranz_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/language-pack-kde-es-base shows ubuntu core developers as the maintainers and no upstream is given
[18:01] <antoranz_> nevermind.... the word is OK for the "Real Academia"... so I have no say.:-)
[18:01] <antoranz_> thanks anyway, guys!
[18:01] <antoranz_> one other thing
[18:01] <antoranz_> I enabled the 3d desktops efects (basic)
[18:02] <antoranz_> I have 4 desktops, and if I swicvh between the first two I can see the animted switching of the desktops
[18:02] <antoranz_> but it doesn't happen with desktops 3 and 4
[18:02] <antoranz_> as a matter of fact, I can select them but the desktop won't switch at all
[18:03] <DreadKnight_> i installed kubuntu on my lenovo laptop and i got no sound xD im doomed!!!1 please help... im googling for hours Y_Y
[18:03] <antoranz_> any idea how I can solve this?
[18:03] <crimsun> DreadKnight_: 8.04?  what's the output from `lspci -nv|grep -A1 040[13]'?
[18:04] <antoranz_> is there a module loaded for it?
[18:04] <antoranz_> lshw could help
[18:04] <DreadKnight_> crimsun: yes hardy; wait a sec
[18:05] <DreadKnight_> crimsun: look--->
[18:05] <DreadKnight_> 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 03)
[18:05] <DreadKnight_>         Subsystem: 17aa:384e
[18:05] <sigma_1234> are there any kde 4.1 packages anywhere for kubuntu? im in desperation:)
[18:05] <eagles05> O_o
[18:06] <DreadKnight_> anyone that had laptop sound problems? xD
[18:06] <crimsun> DreadKnight_: sec, looking.
[18:06] <DreadKnight_> crimsun: ok :-)
[18:07] <sigma_1234> kubuntu-kde4
[18:09] <crimsun> DreadKnight_: our sound driver is too old.  You need to compile http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/snapshot/alsa-driver-20080526.tar.bz2
[18:09] <eagles05> im having stream issues with amarok i have lame libxine1 installed libxine1-ffmpeg flac ffmpeg
[18:09] <eagles05> installed and it doesnt wanna work for me
[18:10] <DreadKnight_> crimsun: alsa is 1.0.16.. latest one as far as i can see xD
[18:10] <crimsun> DreadKnight_: it's the latest /stable/, yes.  However, your hardware is only supported in the development versions.
[18:10] <DreadKnight_> crimsun: oh, cool i see :-)
[18:10] <crimsun> DreadKnight_: thus, you need a very recent snapshot (to which I pointed).
[18:13] <eagles05> what codec pkg am i missing to be able to listen to an mp3 stream
[18:13] <DreadKnight_> crimsun: i'm rather noobish at compile; will try to compile it in a bit :-) thanks
[18:13] <DreadKnight_> eagles05: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:14] <spykedtomato> hey all i need HELP - is there any way to recover recently deleted files? I deleted the wrong directory in krusader........
[18:14] <spykedtomato> huge directory, btw
[18:14] <spykedtomato> my music collection :(
[18:14] <eagles05> DreadKnight_: fixed it the port was messed up
[18:15] <DreadKnight_> eagles05: cool xD
[18:15] <llutz> spykedtomato: time to use your backup
[18:15] <spykedtomato> ...
[18:15] <spykedtomato> yuck, the backup's old :(
[18:16] <spykedtomato> no handy little "oops" command? :)
[18:17] <llutz> spykedtomato: umount partition and try one of those undelete-tools (recover, magicrescue) and pray
[18:18] <spykedtomato> i'll try - thanks llutz
[18:23] <MarcoPau> hello, is there any language package for firefox 3?
[18:23] <llutz> language-pack-gnome-XX   XX your language
[18:30] <dkkong> is there some log i can check to see if the system shut down due to a temp issue?
[18:34] <Blastur> hello. if I want to support > 4 GB of ram, will i386 release of kubuntu work?
[18:34] <Blastur> or should i pick amd64?
[18:36] <genii> Blastur: If you have a 32 bit platform then you need server kernel in 32bit. If you have 64 bit system just use 64 bit install.
[18:36] <Blastur> i have a core2duo system, thats 64-bit right?
[18:37] <phoenixz> Blastur> should have 64 extensions yeahg
[18:37] <genii> Yup
[18:37] <Blastur> great
[18:37] <Blastur> thanks a bunch
[18:39] <hopf> what's happenin' all.
[18:42] <alexey> русские есть?
[18:42] <nzk> alexey: я
[18:43] <alexey> можешь помочь с ip r?
[18:43] <alexey> а то мозг взрывается =(
[18:43] <genii> !ru | alexey
[18:43] <nzk> немагу
[18:44] <nzk> декыу понос :(
[18:44] <alexey> спс
[18:47]  * genii thinks about exploding brain diarrhea 
[18:47] <erikw> hi
[18:48] <erikw> how do I check what version of KDE I ahve?
[18:48] <erikw> have*
[18:48] <genii> rightclick Kmenu...Panel Menu...Help...About KDE
[18:53] <erikw> genii: Ok thanks
[18:53] <erikw> I have version 3.5. What is the easiets way to upgrade to 4.0xx?
[18:54] <romunov> how unfortunate
[18:54] <romunov> my second hard drive is "empty" after the upgrade to 8.04
[18:55] <blekos> did anybody had problem with the new nvidia drivers?/
[18:56] <Helios> What does this message mean?
[18:56] <Helios> "Could not load XPCOM"?
[18:56] <romunov> who in christ's name uses fax utilities in kubuntu?!?!
[18:57] <Helios> !xpcom
[18:59] <romunov> hum, i've enabled the restricted drivers... how do i make them work?
[19:02] <Helios> How do i change the splash screen in Kubuntu 8.04??? it's the KDE 3.5.9 version and i do not find that option in the system settings... :S
[19:05] <genii> romunov: alt-f2   kdesu jockey-kde
[19:06] <Helios> How do i change the splash screen in Kubuntu 8.04??? it's the KDE 3.5.9 version and i do not find that option in the system settings... :S
[19:07] <nosrednaekim> !splash
[19:07] <nosrednaekim> 1usplash
[19:07] <nosrednaekim> !usplash
[19:07] <navetz> can someone help me, I installed KDE on ubuntu server edition
[19:07] <nosrednaekim> navetz: and?
[19:07] <navetz> when I try to log in I get this error
[19:07] <navetz> could not read network connection list.
[19:07] <navetz> /home/pds/.DCOPserver_pds_0
[19:07] <navetz> please check that the "dcopserver" program is running.
[19:07] <nosrednaekim> navetz: how did you install kde?
[19:08] <navetz> nosrednaekim: I think I installed apt-get kubuntu-desktop.
[19:08] <rysiek> guys, I am having a serious issue here - my X session does NOT start, in .xsession-errors I get: Xsession: X session started for username at <some_date>\nopen: Permission denied
[19:08] <rysiek> any ideas?
[19:08] <navetz> nosrednaekim: It was working before
[19:08] <nosrednaekim> rysiek: could you pastebin the whole error file?
[19:09] <rysiek> I don't even know where to look for info what exactly is causing the problem (what file/dev/pipe/...)
[19:09] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: .xsession-errors?
[19:09] <Ubt-> vao dr as budas
[19:09] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: I just did
[19:09] <nosrednaekim> rysiek: thats the whole thing?
[19:09] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: that's the whole file, two lines
[19:09] <nosrednaekim> wow
[19:09] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: yup
[19:09] <rysiek> yeah
[19:09] <rysiek> I checked Xorg.0.log, nothing
[19:09] <rysiek> dmesg says - AOK
[19:09] <nosrednaekim> so kdm comes up?
[19:10] <rysiek> jyup
[19:10] <rysiek> I enter my username/pw
[19:10] <rysiek> X poders a whiel
[19:10] <rysiek> *while
[19:10] <rysiek> and I am back in kdm
[19:10] <MachinatorSyver> how do you undo a typo you made in vim
[19:10] <nosrednaekim> navetz: run this.... "rm -r ~/.DCOP*"
[19:10] <MachinatorSyver> I accidently replaced an entire line in visudo with the letter C
[19:11] <hopf> MachinatorSyver, press 'u' in command mode
[19:11] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: I have been fighting with a custom-made kdm theme, but that would b0rk kdm, not kde after logging in
[19:11] <nosrednaekim> MachinatorSyver: or do "esc, :q!, enter" to exit without saving
[19:11] <MachinatorSyver> thank you
[19:11] <navetz> nosrednaekim: ok
[19:12] <Ballena> How do I make KDe not start when i turn on the computer?
[19:12] <navetz> nosrednaekim: trying to log in again now. If this doesn't work, should I re-install KDE?
[19:13] <nosrednaekim> uhh, yeah, run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" again
[19:13] <genii> hmm
[19:13] <navetz> nosrednaekim: I have a lot of config files, will this delete them?
[19:13] <genii> Nallena
[19:13] <genii> Bah
[19:13] <genii> Plus she just left
[19:13] <nosrednaekim> navetz: nope
[19:14] <navetz> nosrednaekim: ok should apt-get install kubuntu-desktop or apt-get reinstall
[19:14] <nosrednaekim> just install
[19:14] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: I did unpack kdm deb package in /tmp
[19:14] <nosrednaekim> rysiek: ohhhh...... maybe you screwed up your /tmp
[19:14] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: but I seem to recall having some kdesu-related problems a few minutes earlier
[19:15] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: I have just cleared my /tmp
[19:15] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: rebooted
[19:15] <hopf> weird question - why did kubuntu not install vim-runtime by default -- aptitude said that vim was not installed but it was there, and ive been using it all morning
[19:15] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: deleted .ICEauth... and .Xauth... files
[19:15] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: to no vail
[19:15] <genii> navetz: sudo /usr/bin/dcopserver_shutdown; sudo /usr/bin/dcopserver
[19:15] <nosrednaekim> rysiek: right right..... did you check the permissions on your home DIR?
[19:16] <nosrednaekim> hopf: it install vim-tiny instead
[19:16] <hopf> ah, my answer must lie in vim=tiny
[19:16] <navetz> genii: thanks, ill try it.
[19:16] <hopf> *- yeah! thanks
[19:16] <pvandewyngaerde> my kde4 is broken, i can only open  1 window and
[19:16] <hopf> i just noticed that when it started replacing vim-tiny. thanks nosrednaekim
[19:16] <hopf> i want it all! :)
[19:16] <genii> pvandewyngaerde: #kubuntu-kde4 please
[19:16] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: I got a hunch! could you paste me what perms do you have on /tmp
[19:17] <navetz> genii: shutdown worked, but starting it failed with this message.
[19:17] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: in any format - dXXXXXXXXX or NNN  will do ;)
[19:17] <genii> navetz: Please pastebin error if more than a couple lines
[19:17] <navetz> genii: /usr/bin/iceauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/pds/.ICEauthority
[19:18] <navetz> genii: this is on my server, I am talking to you through my laptop so I can't really pastebin
[19:18] <nosrednaekim> rysiek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14849/
[19:18] <genii> navetz: Good.   rm /home/pds/.ICEauthority                      then try run it again
[19:18] <rysiek> eh
[19:19] <navetz> genii: this is probably important to note, the first error I was getting was saying that I could not access /home/pds/.ICEauthority so I did a chown so I could
[19:19] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: ls -l / | grep tmp
[19:19] <navetz> genii: ok
[19:19] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: ON /tmp, not ON /tmp/* ;)
[19:19] <nosrednaekim> navetz: and /tmp itself is --- drwxrwxrwt  13 root root  4096 2008-05-26 13:33 tmp
[19:19] <rysiek> ok, thanks
[19:19] <nosrednaekim> yeah I figured I'd give you both
[19:19] <rysiek> :)
[19:19] <rysiek> I said I just cleared the damn thing ;)
[19:19] <nosrednaekim> oh... tru tru :P
[19:19] <nosrednaekim> lol
[19:19] <nosrednaekim> forgot about that
[19:21] <navetz> genii: I get the same error after i rm /home/pds/.ICEauthority
[19:21] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: w00t! and - once more - chmod a+w,o+t /tmp saves the day!
[19:21] <rysiek> :)
[19:21] <nosrednaekim> :P
[19:21] <rysiek> nosrednaekim: thanks a bunch
[19:23] <navetz> genii: any ideas on what I can do?
[19:23] <Areinu> What is good ocaML IDE for kubuntu? I tried OcaIDE for eclipse, but it doesn't work for me, and Cameleon is something I have no idea how to use. Ah, and I like code completition in my IDEs >.>
[19:25] <genii> navetz: Do the          rm /home/pds/.ICEauthority         again. But after that try to login gui   so if kdm not running start that, if it is running, go there and attempt login
[19:25] <navetz> genii: wait, that doesn't start my stuff, but it works.
[19:27] <MachinatorSyver> what is the System -> Preferences -> Sessions new startup programs equivalent in kubuntu
[19:28] <ManiacHgh> hello everybody
[19:29] <ManiacHgh> I have an issue with Kubuntu
[19:29] <ManiacHgh> evey time aftet automatic updates
[19:30] <ManiacHgh> I get unresolved link simbols
[19:30] <ManiacHgh> experimentally I found that "sudo aptitude reinstall libqt3-mt kdelibs4c2a" helps to get system back to normal
[19:30] <ManiacHgh> this time I had missing sybmos in  libqt3-mt with link C++ mangled name
[19:30] <ManiacHgh> any ideas?
[19:33] <navetz> genii: thanks a lot for the help.
[19:33] <genii> navetz: You're welcome
[19:33] <genii> ManiacHgh: They may have some better idea in #kubuntu-devel
[19:34] <genii> You could also search for a bug report of this on Launchad
[19:34] <ManiacHgh> I tried. seems that I am the only one with such issues
[19:37] <navetz> does anyone here know how to mount a computer on the same network?
[19:38] <navetz> or how I can even see the computers on my network?
[19:38] <pvandewyngaerde> a windows or a linux ?
[19:38] <navetz> pvandewyngaerde: linux
[19:39] <Helios> how can i change the Kicker Icon?
[19:39] <Helios> !kicker
[19:39] <Helios> !kiker
[19:39] <Helios> how can i change the Kicker Icon?
[19:40] <hopf> By chance, does anyone know if EyeTV Hybrid can work on (K)Ubuntu?
[19:40] <deamon3> #kubuntu-es
[19:41] <ManiacHgh> Helios: you meen the left button that is "K" ?
[19:41] <Helios> yeah :)
[19:41] <Helios> that left button
[19:42] <ManiacHgh> Helios: I changed that by installing different icon pack
[19:43] <Helios> lol even i installed another icon pack... and it changed to the ubuntu symbol... :s
[19:43] <[Relic]> command line way of showing hardware is...?
[19:43] <genii> lshw or lspci or lsus
[19:43] <genii> *lsusb
[19:43] <deamon3> hey
[19:44] <deamon3> i have install ubuntu and kubuntu ... and mi kubuntu Go to terminal .... no graffic ??¡
[19:45] <genii> deamon3: How did you install kubuntu ?
[19:45] <ManiacHgh> deamon3: I also have both kubntu-desctop and ubuntu-desctop, and GUI works fine.
[19:46]  * RuyalarPrensi selamunaleykum linux severler :)
[19:46] <MachinatorSyver> is there a way to make dolphin folder icons show a preview of whats in them like in windows XP?
[19:46] <genii> If one works the other usually works, since they both rely on the xorg.conf file
[19:46] <deamon3> lolz
[19:46] <deamon3> i have two operative sistem
[19:46] <deamon3> XD
[19:46] <[Relic]> anyway to tell the version of a .ko file?
[19:46] <deamon3> i make a partition  and i install both
[19:46] <Helios> can i individally change the icin of the kicker?
[19:48] <tolonuga> hi. I have a problem with vi (vim.tiny): as user cursor keys for navigation work. but after su or sudo the cursor keys generate binary chars ending in the file. TERM=xterm in both cases, any idea what could be wrong?
[19:48] <tolonuga> hmm, konsole is fine, the problem is only in xterm.
[19:49] <ManiacHgh> tolonuga: check your locale and encoding settings for both users
[19:49] <Helios> !usplash
[19:49] <tolonuga> locale is de_DE.UTF-8 both times
[19:50] <tolonuga> also does someone know a tool to find binary chars in a text file? I guess something strange is in there, that isn't show to me with kate or vi, but causes the script to fail
[19:54] <genii> deamon3: So copy the /etc/X11/xorg.conf from the gnome install to the /etc/X11/xorg.conf of the kde install
[19:55] <bdizzle> hi
[19:55] <bdizzle> quick question that I hope someone can answer
[19:56] <benpicco> Hi, is there some tool to use amarok's libvisual visualisations for real time Line In/Mic input?
[19:56] <deamon3> I CAN-T See the another partition XD
[19:57] <bdizzle> deamon, are you dual booting?
[19:57] <bdizzle> meh, he's gone
[19:57] <bdizzle> okay, quesiton. Does anyone know why the sound cuts out if the screensaver pops up or it goes into Locked Mode?
[20:05] <[Relic]> can't figure out why coretemp won't load, but can only guess one thing;  ksysguard is locked to an outdated libsensors while I still have the other avialable it isn't compiled into the kernel only the outdated one;  does this sound like a reasonable analysis?
[20:07] <marcreichelt> hi there
[20:07] <marcreichelt> does anybody know how I can get the UUID of a partition?
[20:09] <benpicco> marcreichelt, sudo blkid /dev/sda1
[20:09] <marcreichelt> thanks
[20:11] <marcreichelt> hmm, it doesn't output anything :-/
[20:11] <marcreichelt> maybe because it is encrypted?
[20:12] <marcreichelt> it's an encrypted partition
[20:15] <genii> marcreichelt: Is is a Windows or Linux encrypted partition?
[20:15] <marcreichelt> Linux
[20:15] <marcreichelt> with loop-aes
[20:16] <marcreichelt> not possible then?
[20:16] <marcreichelt> it seems so
[20:17] <genii> marcreichelt: Encrypted partitions should still be able to have an uuid
[20:18] <marcreichelt> k
[20:20] <slow-motion> hi
[20:21] <genii> marcreichelt: cryptsetup luksDump /dev/<the partition name>   should likely have some UUID info on it
[20:22] <marcreichelt> it says that it is no Luks partition
[20:22] <marcreichelt> (of course it is not, I'm using loop-aes)
[20:24] <genii> marcreichelt: Ah, my mistake. if blkid is not reporting, try instead: sudo vol_id -u /dev/<devname>
[20:25] <marcreichelt> "unknown volume type"
[20:25] <marcreichelt> it seems there is no UUID for it
[20:27] <genii> marcreichelt: Yes, looks so
[20:28] <marcreichelt> thanks anyway :)
[20:33] <tim__> hi. KDE 4, how do I move kicker bar applets around
[20:34] <tim__> i.e. I wanna pull the K menu to the other side of the bar
[20:34] <tim__> er, but there is no right click move...
[20:36] <genii> tim__: Please visit #kubuntu-kde4
[20:36] <tim__> kktnks
[20:37] <genii> tim__: To get my Kmenu to the left side I had to remove all widgets then re-add them beginning with the kmenu
[20:37] <tim__> seriusly?
[20:37] <genii> Yup
[20:37] <tim__> *reads three times
[20:37] <genii> Including at least a systray
[20:38] <tim__> there has to be a better way
[20:38] <genii> tim__: KDE4 is in it's infancy still.
[20:38] <genii> tim__: If a better answer exists they may know in the channel I directed you to however
[20:39] <tim__> kk
[20:41] <navetz> can someone help me use samba to find a computer on my network
[20:43] <Soelen> well hello there
[20:44] <Soelen> is there a room for help?
[20:45] <Soelen> seems not...
[20:45] <KRF> !ask | Soelen
[20:45] <Soelen> ah ok!
[20:45] <tim__> shoot
[20:46] <tim__> *as in "go for it" rather than "oot dang"
[20:47] <Soelen> I'm a fresh kubuntu user and have a lots of questions so here I go... first question: I like the instellation program, but after installing and trying to opening it won't open for some reasons... where is the log file for that?
[20:48] <tim__> your meaning "adept" the add remove programs thing?
[20:48] <Soelen> like for QtParted, where is the log file for QtParted or Wine?
[20:48] <Soelen> the log file for programs
[20:49] <Soelen> like... example: I want to start msn on wine but msn won't start so I have to read in the log file what's the problem... but I can't find the log file! O_O
[20:49] <tim__> 1: sugest dont use msn, use another client, like amsn, keopt, etc
[20:49] <Soelen> does amsn support camera?
[20:50] <tim__> yeah
[20:50] <tim__> so does keopt I think
[20:50] <tim__> 2: you know about the folders and files starting with a dot ( . )
[20:50] <tim__> like .bash
[20:50] <Soelen> oh
[20:51] <Soelen> do they? XD
[20:51] <Soelen> but I saw it sometimes yah
[20:51] <francesco_> davive capisci dinternet?
[20:51] <tim__> those are like the files windows puts in "local settings" and "application data" folders, under your users folder (so the path might be /home/myUserName/.cat)
[20:52] <tim__> they are per user logs and settings
[20:52] <Soelen> oh awesome! Let me check thank you buddy!
[20:52] <tim__> but like in windows they are kinda hidden in modern GUI desktops like thisone, cos they get in the way of real work
[20:52] <tim__> er, someone say how to make them visible, I havent used KDE in yonks
[20:53] <Soelen> ah so .cat is invisible for me
[20:53] <bascule> view -> show hidden files and folders
[20:53] <navetz> can someone help me with samba, when I go to a network computer the address is smb://somestuff, how would I get there through a terminal?
[20:53] <Soelen> thanks you bascule! :D
[20:54] <tim__> btw .cat doesnt exist, its an example, :p
[20:54] <Soelen> lol, oki mate
[20:54] <francesco_> c'e' qualcuno che ne capisce?????
[20:54] <bascule> navetz: smbclient
[20:54] <Soelen> holy makaroni so much hidden files!
[20:54] <bascule> one for each app usually
[20:54] <tim__> yeps, that why they hidden
[20:55] <tim__> but there should be a .wine
[20:55] <PhilTrunk> !it | francesco_
[20:55] <tim__> that has the wine logs, settings, etc, in text format in it.
[20:55] <Soelen> thanks again, I'll take a look
[20:55] <francesco_> grazie
[20:55] <navetz> bascule: ok thanks
[20:55] <bascule> welcome
[20:55] <tim__> for wine specific stuff say, go ask #wine
[20:56] <Soelen> you mean in terminal?
[20:56] <tim__> aye?
[20:56] <Soelen> sorry I'm new
[20:57] <Soelen> well if I enter #wine, nothing happens
[20:57] <tim__> no I mean there will be a file at say /home/you/.wine/log, which is in plain text format, so you can just open it in "kate" the text ed
[20:57] <tim__> no I mean the wine channel here :p
[20:58] <tim__> er, like type "/join #wine" on the message line
[20:58] <Soelen> hehe XD
[20:58] <Soelen> I love this ubuntu community pretty much!
[20:58] <Soelen> everyone so helpful T_T
[20:58] <mm_202> Quick question.  I used Kooka to scan a few pages, is there a way to bind the jpeg
[20:59] <FM-2030>  http://pastebin.ca/1030311
[20:59] <mm_202> grr.  jpeg's* into a single pdf or even tiff?
[20:59] <Soelen> oh and yah you're right, amsn support cam yaaaaaaaay
[20:59] <tim__> wine is hard, btw, or was last time I tried it...
[21:00] <Soelen> yeah I read in wikipedia the program code is over 2 million lines long
[21:00] <Soelen> I mean the program code of wine
[21:00] <Soelen> soon version 1.0 will be available after 10, 20 years XD
[21:02] <tim__> *goes back to trying to figure out kde 4... arg.
[21:03] <navetz> can someone help me with smbclient, how do I connect to a network computer with it?
[21:03] <tim__> !smbclient
[21:03] <tim__> was worth a try
[21:04] <Soelen> thanks again and again tim, I go back to study XD
[21:04] <Soelen> I really have to study, tomrow is exam time! O_O;
[21:04] <Soelen> so... take care my friend! :D
[21:09] <Dragonath> I'm on a fresh install of hardy, some fonts look weird in firefox - was there some nonfree fonts package you could download to fix this?
[21:10] <tim__> navetz: smbclient... I remember that ugly little program...
[21:11] <tim__> in all seriusness I recommend mounting the remote share, and accessing it that way
[21:12] <navetz> tim__: I didn't know that was possible, how do you mount it?
[21:12] <genii> navetz: In your file browser put    smb:/ as the first part.
[21:13] <genii> Sorry for much lag, work is requiring me from time to time here
[21:13] <navetz> genii: do you mean put smb:// as my folder name?
[21:14] <genii> navetz: Wait.
[21:14] <genii> navetz: I needed to scroll back and see your question, which was how to use smblient from command line
[21:14] <navetz> genii: ok, np. My main goal is to backup data on this remote computer
[21:15] <navetz> genii: so if I could just mount it on my server, that would be great
[21:16] <genii> navetz: So rathedr than browsing the winwos host from command line, you want to mount a directory there in the fstab?
[21:16] <BluesKaj> well genii, I think I found the problem...now I'm looking for a fix on launchpad. The nspluginviewer crashes in the background on some websites and it's not acknowledged everytime.
[21:17] <genii> BluesKaj: Looks like some headway finally then
[21:17] <navetz> genii: yea
[21:18] <ludo56> francais
[21:19] <ludo56> hello
[21:19] <genii> navetz: There is a lot of info on this at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/mounting-an-smbfs-using-fstab-461202/
[21:20] <navetz> genii: thanks
[21:26] <holycow> hey guys, how do i find out what /dev/node my cdrom is at?
[21:27] <poseidon> Whats the hotkey for switching between desktops on kde?
[21:27] <holycow> things have changed a bit under the hood it seems
[21:27] <holycow> poseidon: just so that someone answers i don't know
[21:31] <genii> poseidon: crtl-tab
[21:31] <genii> *ctrl-tab
[21:31] <sparr> CRITICAL TAB!
[21:31] <kmorrissey> hi everyone.
[21:31] <genii> sparr: heh :)
[21:31] <mhz128> hahah
[21:31] <poseidon> genii, I guess it must not be on by defualt.  I have to find out where to set it up
[21:32] <kmorrissey> I have a question but its a little off topic from kubuntu, more general linux so if anyone would prefer me to take it else where thats ok just say.
[21:33] <NickPresta> kmorrissey, shoot
[21:33] <kmorrissey> I have compiled my own kernel and want to no how would I go about installing a distro with no x window
[21:33] <genii> poseidon: I think some apps hog it like Konv for tab switching and firefox for same thing
[21:34] <kmorrissey> I want to try and build my own for my own specific need, basically from the command and then install everything on top of it
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[21:34] <holycow> kmorrissey: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[21:34] <kmorrissey> Im trying to keep it very small and only install what I need
[21:34] <holycow> thats a very fun way to do exactly what yous ay
[21:34] <holycow> and they have step by step instructions
[21:35] <holycow> bbiab
[21:35] <kmorrissey> ok thank you. one more question
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> is the server ubuntu server all command line based? I'm redoing my file server and am trying to keep it cli. I need samba and sshd only. can anyone please make any suggestions
[21:35] <kmorrissey> do I start with a pc with only the bootloader and kernel on
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> kmorrissey: you could always install the system then uninstall what you dont want
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> kmorrissey: the other option is to check gentoo wherre you will build the system from the bottom up with what you need
[21:36] <kmorrissey> I thought of that but theres so much on each distro, I guess they have to coz everyone wants something different.
[21:37] <kmorrissey> plus I thought it would be a good learning experience
[21:37] <genii> poseidon: Looks like ctrl-f1 thru ctrl-fX works although it seems not to keep your apps in the state they are in on each desktop but to minimize them
[21:37] <kmorrissey> gentoo ok thanks
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> kmorrissey: exactly, I find a vanilla kubuntu to be far too bloated but its easy to remove what you dont need
[21:37] <ActionParsnip> kmorrissey: with gentoo you can start from a command line and download a stage image
[21:38] <kmorrissey> also I need to be able to either design my own or scale the windows etc, coz its going on my eeepc only 800x480
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> kmorrissey: or there is a cd with binarys for your architecture
[21:38] <kmorrissey> what is a stage name, and where do I get the cd with binarys
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> kmorrissey: excellent system, as long as your xorg.conf is correct it will be fine
[21:38] <ActionParsnip> kmorrissey: you not see eeeXUbuntu?
[21:39] <ActionParsnip> kmorrissey: you need to websearch gentoo dude, its a big subject, much more than i can detail here
[21:39] <kmorrissey> yes, I think thats ok, but I really want to try and learn this stuff
[21:39] <kmorrissey> ok thank you
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> kmorrissey: gentoo will teach you much but its a bit of heartache
[21:40] <snmateen> Hi Guys
[21:40] <kmorrissey> I am guessing it will be very hard to get right
[21:40] <snmateen> can anyone tell me how to use mail command
[21:40] <snmateen> inthe shell ?
[21:40] <snmateen> please ?
[21:41] <kmorrissey> thanks ActionParsnip, i'm off to study now!!
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> kmorrissey: read the handbook while you install it, it guides you. It'll take a while to install as you'll be compiling everything with emerge which is like kubuntu's apt-get but it downloads source and compiles it for you
[21:42] <kmorrissey> should i install it on a different system, or the eeepc itself
[21:42] <deamon3> hey i need help
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> kmorrissey: install anything you want dude :D
[21:42] <deamon3> i cant use my printer CANON PIXMA IP 1000
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> sup deamon3
[21:42] <sursum> hola
[21:42] <kmorrissey> thanks
[21:43] <genii> snmateen: First make sure mailutils is installed. Then you can email something like:            mail -s "Hello this is spam" someone@somewhere                            then you type in the message and end it with a period on a line by itself
[21:43] <sursum> anybody know how can i connect spanish irc?
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> deamon3: http://forums.megagames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52090
[21:43] <deamon3> thanks
[21:43] <deamon3> #kubuntu-es
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> !sp | sursum
[21:43] <deamon3> for spanish orc
[21:43] <deamon3> irc
[21:43] <deamon3> #kubuntu-es
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> !es | sursum
[21:43] <Freddy2> hi
[21:43] <genii> deamon3:   /j #kubuntu-es
[21:44] <sursum> thx daemon3
[21:44] <ActionParsnip> hi Freddy2
[21:44] <Freddy2> how can i change the app that will be used when you "open window" at usb drives plug time?
[21:45] <RuyalarPrensi> hi
[21:45] <Freddy2> right now it's using dolphin, but i'd like to use konqueror
[21:45] <Freddy2> (well, maybe "d3lphin")
[21:45] <snmateen> genii: thanks for reply
[21:45] <snmateen> i have installed mailutils
[21:45] <genii> snmateen: You're welcome
[21:46] <snmateen> and i have message in a file say messages in current dir
[21:46] <snmateen> then I tried like
[21:46] <ActionParsnip> Freddy2: do you use dolphin?
[21:46] <snmateen> cat messages | mail -s "message" someone@somewhere.com
[21:46] <snmateen> will this work ?
[21:46] <genii> snmateen: That doesn't work well
[21:46] <Freddy2> it was set by default.. i'd like to change this
[21:47] <snmateen> why
[21:47] <snmateen> >
[21:47] <snmateen> ?
[21:47] <ActionParsnip> Freddy2: if you uninstall dolphin (as you dont use it) it will save space
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> Freddy2: plus it will ask you to define the app
[21:48] <genii> snmateen: Because "messages" become first argument into mail command
[21:48]  * ActionParsnip does not use dolphin either
[21:48] <snmateen> oh ok
[21:48] <Freddy2> space is not a problem, but this second side-effect is interesting
[21:48] <Freddy2> thx
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> i like to conserve maximum space
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> :D
[21:49] <snmateen> genii : can it be like   mail -s "message" someone@somewhere.com < ./message
[21:49] <Freddy2> basically i was expecting to have a treeview at dolphin, and i think it will be at kde4 version, but right now it's not, so..
[21:49] <snmateen> where message is the file which has the actual message
[21:50] <genii> snmateen: Yes :)
[21:50] <snmateen> genii : oh thank you soo much genii
[21:51] <genii> snmateen: np
[21:51] <Freddy2> and tab support + multisplitview (not single split) is pretty cool too in konqueror :)
[21:51] <snmateen> genii : i have one more question
[21:51] <snmateen> what would be the from address in this case >
[21:51] <snmateen> ?
[21:53] <navetz> can someone please help me, I am trying to write a backup script, all I have to do is backup a local file on a network drive, the problem is I don't know how to mount the network drive or how to use smbclient through the command line.
[21:53] <genii> snmateen: If for instance you logged on as "joe" and the hostname of the computer was set to "yadda"    then it will try to send as from joe@yadda
[21:55] <snmateen> genii: the mail failed
[21:55] <snmateen> it shows the message
[21:55] <snmateen> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
[21:55] <snmateen> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
[21:55] <snmateen> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
[21:56] <snmateen> genii : what could be the problem ?
[21:58] <genii> snmateen: Many mail servers will not accept mail delivered by a machine that does not ahve what is called RARP
[21:59] <snmateen> oh
[21:59] <slow-motion> n8
[21:59] <snmateen> do how should check if my machine has it or not ?
[22:01] <genii> snmateen: For your machine to have it, there needs to be a DNS server on the internet that can authenticate that the machine called for instance:           mymachine.net            belongs to IP (whatever that is)  and that it is running a bind server and responding back on that IP and name when called from the internet at large
[22:02] <snmateen> oh ok
[22:02] <snmateen> but <genii> when I normally connected to net i will be know with n ip address
[22:03] <snmateen> right ?
[22:04] <snmateen> alrite <genii> i think i understood what you said
[22:04] <snmateen> well my machine is not established on the dns server.
[22:04] <snmateen> for a mail server to accept mails from me
[22:05] <snmateen> so is there any way out to get rid of this ?
[22:05] <genii> snmateen: Work is requiring me so I'll try to be brief. If you call your computer George, and the user sending mail is Fred.  You email say hotmail. Hotmail says: does IP address of the computer sending me mail resond to domain name of George?   If not then it will bounce
[22:05] <jussi01> hey QQ - need a latex editor - any recomendations?
[22:06] <genii> snmateen: Also it may ask: Does ping George     say the IP of the machine sending this email or does this domain even exist? etc
[22:07] <snmateen> oh ok thanks for that info genii
[22:09] <tsaikimon> <---- complete linux noob.  Could someone offer a hand as to how to add programs I've installed through adept to the K menu?
[22:10] <sursumcorda> hola
[22:11] <tsaikimon> I can find and run them through alt-f2 but can't add them to the K menu
[22:11] <tsaikimon> hola amigo
[22:12] <Dragnslcr> tsaikimon- right-click the KMenu and go to Edit Menu
[22:14] <blekos> hi, i've set a combination to switch between my desktops. The problem is that when i press the combination i c the least of the desktops
[22:14] <blekos> and then i have to press enter..
[22:14] <blekos> any suggestions?
[22:14] <tsaikimon> dragnslcr - guess I should clarify that I'm using kubuntu 4.0.4 and when I right click the K menu the only options are application settings, panel settings, add widget, remove widget
[22:16] <tsaikimon> I mean kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4.0.4
[22:17] <Daisuke-Laptop> tsaikimon: you may want to seek out #kubuntu-kde4 for more specialized support
[22:18] <alexey> где русский канал?
[22:18] <Daisuke-Laptop> !ru | alexey
[22:18] <alexey> спасибо!
[22:19] <tsaikimon> thank you sir I will do that. Thanks for your help too Dragnslcr
[22:21] <Alex135> erm when kdesudo is run one of my CPU's max out and it just sits there, i can still function because all other jobs go to my second CPU but i wish i knew why...
[22:22] <Alex135> i run kdesudo is run in console i get a message that reads ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt3/include/qvaluelist.h (376)
[22:22] <Alex135> and it hangs there...
[22:22] <Alex135> i just upgraded from gutsy to hardy useing upgrade distro so i wouldn't need to redo all my work
[22:24] <Alex135> any help?
[22:24] <obf213> abattoir
[22:24] <Alex135> hm?
[22:32] <navetz> someone please please help me mount a network drive onto my computer, I can't get it working with samba
[22:33] <Alex135> samba is a pain... x.x
[22:34] <navetz> Alex135: I have noticed
[23:09] <tzanger> good evening everyone
[23:09] <tzanger> I have a strange problem
[23:10] <tzanger> 7.10 system, wifi/lan work
[23:10] <tzanger> I have an hsdpa (cell) modem that uses pppd that connects just fine (i'm using it right now)... everything but konqueror works
[23:10] <tzanger> telnet to port 80 works, lynx works... it's not a proxy/dns issue
[23:10] <tzanger> and it's just konqueror (or the ioslaves, not sure)
[23:11] <HH29Sepp> Hallo
[23:13] <[Relic]> Any way to get rid of libsensors3 and still have ksysguard work with libsensors4?
[23:15] <demonhunter> anyone knows why some of my programs don't show any characters at all.. they show a square instead of letters..
[23:15] <nainef> key kernel, update, woot
[23:15] <nainef> oops
[23:15] <nainef> new kernel update
[23:16] <TimS> Whats the command to decompress a bz2 archive?
[23:16] <nainef> bzip2
[23:17] <nainef> bzip2 -d
[23:17] <TimS> Thanks
[23:17] <nainef> no prob
[23:17] <valentin_> hi ppl
[23:19] <demonhunter> does anyone knows to solve encoding problems?
[23:20] <TimS> Blimey, bz2 is well compressed
[23:22] <demonhunter> is there a way to restore default env. variables?
[23:23] <bascule> source /etc/profile
[23:24]  * RuyalarPrensi ii geceler cümleten
[23:33] <davsmi6211> !gnome
[23:37] <crs> !kde
[23:37] <Nyad> Hi, how do I install gnome?
[23:37] <Nyad> !gnome
[23:37] <crs> Nyad: apt-get install gnome?
[23:37] <k1z3r> hi all
[23:37] <Nyad> gnome desktop
[23:37] <Nyad> with the apps and all
[23:38] <valentin_> hi ppl
[23:38] <k1z3r> valentin ti rus?
[23:38] <avihayb> !freevo
[23:38] <valentin_> what
[23:38] <Nyad> !gnome-desktop
[23:38] <k1z3r> nothing-)
[23:38] <Nyad> !ubuntu-desktop
[23:38] <valentin_> cool
[23:39] <valentin_> how can i change the channel?
[23:39] <k1z3r> people anyone could help me installing drivers for U3S?
[23:39] <avihayb> type /join name_of_channle
[23:39] <valentin_> thx!
[23:40] <k1z3r> people anyone could help me installing drivers for U3S?
[23:40] <valentin_> sorry i don know
[23:40] <avihayb>  does any one have an expirience with a linux based media center?
[23:41] <Steve-cal> Can someone clarify for me about the /etc/network/interfaces file? If my wireless card (wlan0) is not listed in there, I can't use "ifup" or "ifdown" to bring my network up/down. But I've seen info that says if I put wlan0 in that file, then I can't use the KNetworkManager to manage the connection. Can someone clarify please?
[23:41] <k1z3r> why dont you istall wine
[23:42] <avihayb> Steve-cal: do you use a command called ifup and ifdown?
[23:42] <bascule> !network
[23:42] <bascule> not that one
[23:43] <Steve-cal> avihayb: Yes, that's what I said... am I misunderstanding you?
[23:43] <avihayb> no, kust wanted to make shure
[23:44] <avihayb> try "ifconfig wlan0 up"
[23:46] <Steve-cal> avihayb: That does not work. I need to have ifup/ifdown working while at the same time being able to manage my connection with KNetworkManager. That's why I need to understand the /etc/network/interfaces file.
[23:47] <avihayb> Knetwork manager didn't work for me until i did an ifconfig interface up
[23:48] <avihayb> I've used kubuntu, and I never manualy edited that file
[23:51] <shane2peru> hey my scroller just all of the sudden quit working, do I suppose this is a software issue??
[23:52] <[Relic]> !kernel
[23:52] <shane2peru> I mean, because I'm using Linux, I tend to assume it is software related. lol