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jameshis the branch scanner stuck?04:48
jameshor just busy04:48
mwhjamesh: stuck :/04:49
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emgentSteveA, kiko_ : I think that there is a problem with auto mail alias (ubuntu.com) activation. I'm in ubuntumembers launchpad team and alias is not active. Sebner was wait 14 day and dont work too. Some idea?07:55
emgentstub: and you? :)07:55
Hobbseesabdfl: er, how does one access a backport ppa.  Last i knew, that didn't exist.07:57
sabdflevery ppa is a backport ppa ;-)07:57
sabdflemgent: that's something elmo handles07:58
Hobbseesabdfl: okay, so "The Official Backports" as a ppa...07:59
emgentoh ok thanks sabdfl 08:01
sabdflHobbsee: why not?08:01
Hobbseesabdfl: no, this is not a question of why.  this is a question of 'where is it, and how is it accessed from ppa'?08:02
sabdflHobbsee: i don't know how they set it up. it was done before they had ppa's so it's probably not configured as a ppa08:03
Hobbseesabdfl: i'ts a component of the regular archive.08:03
Hobbseesabdfl: so i'm somewhat confused as to your response about how to build against -backports08:03
Hobbsee(is there a way that most people don't know about?  As far as i know, the answer to building against backports is that it's not possible, without rebuilding all the packages that you want from -backports in your ppa)08:04
sabdfloffs08:05
sabdflthere is a standard way to specify dependencies08:05
sabdflyou should ask the soyuz team to make it possible to specify backports08:05
sabdflnicely08:05
* Hobbsee did not intend to piss you off - only to ask for a clarification on your answer08:07
Hobbseesabdfl: i asked about the case now, to check that the generally given answer was correct, seeing as your answer had been contrary to it.  i did not make suggestions about how it should be fixed in future.  I'm unsure why you should be annoyed with me as a result.08:10
Hobbseemorning cprov 08:12
cprovHobbsee: good morning.08:12
stubemgent: I think you need to email rt@admin.canonical.com still to get that looked at. 08:28
sabdflcprov: Hobbsee had a question i could not answer, about specifying backports as a dependency for a PPA08:40
sabdflstub: did you see that db patch?08:41
cprovsabdfl: I see 08:43
cprovHobbsee: how do you see it working ? 08:44
cprovHobbsee: please correct me if I'm wrong, but ubuntu itself never build packages using -backports, unless they are in -backports, right ?08:46
Hobbseecprov: correct.08:46
cprovHobbsee: so, if we allow you to say, this PPA should use -backports to build packages it surely compromise the ordinary packages you normally build08:47
Hobbseecprov: i presume that for ppa, you'd want to allow an option for people to build against !release pockets - which you should be doing anyway.08:47
Hobbseecprov: w.r.t packages that get put in -updates08:47
cprovHobbsee: it already use -updates + -security (as you can see in the build logs)08:48
Hobbseeoh, so it does.08:48
Hobbseecprov: add an option that says "build against backports" or something, and add that line into the sbuild repositories, update, and build the package?08:49
cprovHobbsee: yes, the infrastructure would support it fine, but PPA-wide08:49
Hobbseecprov: you can't specify per ppa?08:50
Hobbseecprov: have a backports-enabled tarball, and a non-backports-enabled tarball, perhaps.08:50
cprovHobbsee: are you sure people would like to build every package using  backported build-deps ?08:50
Hobbseethis is a good question.08:50
cprovHobbsee: yes, I am afraid it's a per-package, not a per-PPA decision.08:51
Hobbseei'd think for the most part, yes they would.  if they specifically didn't, then they could just not enable backports in their ppa, and rebuild packages that are in backports that they wanted to use08:51
cprovHobbsee: yes, as they can do for other archive-dependencies, currently.08:52
Hobbseeyes, of course.08:52
Hobbseehmm08:52
cprovHobbsee: that's my plan for the future, make PRIMARY archive dependencies explicit08:52
* Hobbsee desoyuzifies08:53
Hobbseeer, what?08:53
Hobbseeyou want to make the standard ubuntu archive dependancies explicit....how is that different from what you do now?08:54
cprovHobbsee: so a PPA-owner would be able to specify something else then 'user PRIMARY release + updates + security'08:54
cprovHobbsee: well, now there is not choice, PPA packages always depend on those pockets (and only those)08:54
cprovs/is not/is no/08:55
Hobbseeright, yes, i see.08:55
Hobbseewhich then presumably generalises to building for debian...08:55
cprovHobbsee: wow, hold on ;) that's a looooong path.08:55
Hobbseewell, yes, i know.08:56
cprovHobbsee: but yes, debian PPAs are in our plans. Have you followed the conversations in UDS ?08:56
Hobbseebut as in, the infrastructure will therefore be there that you can build for any debian or debian-based distro08:56
Hobbseecprov: no, how could i have?08:57
cprovHobbsee: irc, I presume08:57
* Hobbsee was not aware of any icecasts.08:57
Hobbseeoh, i didn't see a launchpad specific one.08:57
cprovanyway, there will be news in this area soon.08:57
Hobbseenice08:58
Hobbseeso, in the case of the future plan, that's also per-ppa, not per-package?08:58
Hobbseeoh.08:58
Hobbseeduh.08:58
Hobbseecprov: why not change the upload target field, depending on whether they want to allow backports or not, per package?08:58
cprovHobbsee: so, summing up, do you think there will be valid use-cases for using generalised PRIMARY archive dependencies, right ?08:59
Hobbseethat already ahppens for different ubuntu releasese.08:59
cprovHobbsee: well, that's pretty much like 'enabling pockets in PPAs'08:59
* Hobbsee desoyuzifies again.08:59
Hobbseewell, yeah.08:59
Hobbseeer, yes, i think there would be valid use cases for it08:59
cprovHobbsee: nice, probably there is use cases for both. Let's see what we can do post-2.0. Can you file a bug, please ?09:03
sorenHobbsee: There were icecasts from every room at UDS.09:04
jameshthe use cases for depending on backports seem to be the same use cases for depending on other PPAs09:04
jamesh(unless I'm missing something)09:04
sorenHobbsee: Actually, both icecast and VoIP.09:04
Hobbseesoren: i wasn't aware that included launchpad rooms.  do you know where the launchpad ones were publicised?  i didn't see them on scott's uds schedule09:04
Hobbseejamesh: yeah, i think so09:05
sorenHobbsee: Oh.. I'm not sure about those.09:05
sorenHobbsee: I thought you weren't aware of the general availability of icecast/voip streams.09:05
jameshmost of the LP hacking at the sprint was in the lounge area09:06
jameshrather than explicit sessions09:06
Hobbseesoren: nah :)09:06
Hobbseesoren: i was on some of the icecasts, and the voip wasn't behaving for me.   besides, i hate talking on those things anyway, due to the high pitched voice (in comparison)09:07
jamesh(some of us were involved in relevant UDS sessions though)09:07
sorenHobbsee: Yeah. Phones suck.09:07
jameshHobbsee: clearly we need vocoder support integrated into Ubuntu's VoIP software09:07
Hobbseejamesh: :D09:08
jaromilto compile for multiple series on the PPA, can i specify a comma separated list of ubuntu releases in the debian/changelog?09:20
jameshjaromil: nope.09:22
jameshyou'll need to submit multiple builds09:22
jamesh(preferably with version numbers that'll trigger an upgrade when upgrading OS versions)09:23
jaromiljamesh: is it recommendable that i use the same version number or different version numbers for different series?09:33
jaromilor something like 0.10-hardy 0.10-feisty and so on09:34
jameshjaromil: for the releases in my PPA, I've used the Ubuntu version number as part of the release09:34
jameshsee https://edge.launchpad.net/~jamesh/+archive09:34
jameshI used the numeric version number rather than code name09:35
jaromili see. the ~ is sexy :)09:35
jaromilthanks for the suggestion09:35
jameshwhile they have been lexically sorted since breezy, it probably won't always be09:36
jamesh(what happens after Z?)09:36
jaromilso then the debian/changelog will have multiple entries for multiple series, where i must update the latest between every build09:37
jaromilor can i change the entry directly somewhere outside the debian/build of source package?09:38
jaromili guess it will be a slow process to compile the same package on more series... but ok then, seems worth :)09:39
jameshjaromil: I'm not sure of what the best practice is.  I just changed the version number + release codename in the changelog and generated a second upload10:04
jaromiljamesh: i just found out that the best way to have the same source packaged for different series seems to be copying packages in your PPA10:42
cprovjaromil: you mean, same sources and binaries, right ? because you can't rebuild sources within the same archive.10:44
jameshjaromil: as mentioned above, that is problematic when doing distro upgrades10:44
jameshjaromil: e.g. your package might depend on different shared library versions when built against gutsy and hardy10:45
jameshjaromil: if you publish binaries with the same version number for each release and the user upgrades from gutsy to hardy, then the user won't be prompted to upgrade your package10:45
jaromilcprov: ack. i wanted to rebuild already uploaded sources in my PPA for multiple series10:45
jameshsince they already have the latest version10:45
jaromili see10:45
jaromilyea, i just noticed for instance gutsy hasn't libfftw3 while hardy has10:46
jaromilcan i handle such dependencies making them "recommended" other than required - so that the build doesn't stops? i contemplate the case fftw3 is not present in the configure script, should be no problem10:47
cprovjaromil: you only need to rebuild a source in another suite when it depends on new features, in this case the solution is indeed to upload a new source and ideally with a higher version, so upgrades will work as expected. 10:47
jaromilok. so i'll keep on doing that10:48
cprovjaromil: when you depend on constant features across different suites it's okay to copy source & binaries built in the oldest suite.10:48
jameshwhen in doubt, it is probably better to do separate packages10:49
cprovjamesh: agreed.10:49
* jaromil getting a clearer picture10:50
jaromilany comment about "recommending" dependencies? something i'm missing in the control file?10:50
jaromildebian policy manual lists only build-depend(-indep)10:51
* jaromil feels like an olive in a plate of 'spaghetti a la debian'10:52
lightyeargood morning11:27
lightyearis there an easy way to reassign all the bugs of a certain person to another person?11:27
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aantnHello12:53
aantnI've noticed that launchpad hasn't been sending out commit emails and updating the code pages with the latest revisions12:54
aantnI assume that the issue is already known, but I wanted to make sure12:54
jprieurhey guys13:28
jprieurwhen do you think lp's behavior will be back to normal?13:28
beunojprieur, what specifically?13:29
jprieurbeuno, all the web visualization stuff for branches are out of sync.13:30
jprieurcode browsing is OK but the listing of branches and the online log per branches is out of sync.13:31
beunojprieur, ah, right. Well, I don't know any specifics, just that it's stuck in a "very big branch", and it should unblock soon13:31
beunojml, any ideas con specific?13:31
jprieurbeuno, it's like that since yesterday13:32
jprieurmore than a day, I'd say13:32
beunojprieur, my last branch was scanned ~13 hours ago13:32
beunoand LP admins already know about it, so it shouldn't be long13:32
jprieurhttps://code.launchpad.net/~people-project/people-project/people-trunk shows revision 266 and the branch is actually at revision 28513:33
jprieurwell, ok, thanks for the answer :)13:33
beunosorry I couldn't do better  :)13:34
beunoI'd expect it to be fixed in the following hours, but it's just a hunch13:34
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KleinerPinguinhi15:06
affluxmorning15:11
affluxLP currently sorts the releases of my project in a wrong order: Releases: 0.7.2, 0.7.2.1, 0.7.1, 0.6, 0.7, 0.5, 0.3, 0.2, 0.1  15:12
affluxesp. note that 0.7.2.1 is not the latest15:12
affluxshould I open a bugreport for that?15:12
beunoafflux, there should be a bug open for that already15:17
affluxbeuno: can you point me to it?15:17
beunoafflux, #7309415:18
affluxthanks15:19
beunonp15:19
KleinerPinguinHi.Im a newcomer to launchpad and tried to get started by contributing to the translation of miro-guide. Im looking for a hint  for a work flow. To me it seems the only way translation is done in launchpad is the Web. Am I right ?15:19
kikoKleinerPinguin, well, you can also translate offline and upload the translation files.15:19
KleinerPinguinkiko, yes. i thought there would be a better way 15:20
philni closed a lp bug using bzr commit, but when i pushed my branch, the state of the bug wasn't changed... is that normal?15:20
kikophiln, hmmm, not really -- abentley do you know how the branch scanner checks metadata there?15:22
philnno clue, but i know it worked at least once15:22
KleinerPinguinkiko, i thought it would be possible to just open a branch from miroguide and would be ready to go. but no luck there15:22
kikoKleinerPinguin, yeah, not yet! we'll be working on this after july :)15:23
abentleykiko: The branch scanner is currently tied up dealing with these large branches.15:23
abentleySo whatever it normally does won't be happening.15:24
beunoand, afaik, you can only close bugs with changelogs, not commits15:24
philnbeuno: bzr --fixes lp:123415:25
philn+ci15:25
philnwhere is the syntax to close bugs from changelog explained?15:26
beunohrm, I wonder what that does...15:26
beunophiln, I don't know, but it's only for uploading packaged to main or universe15:26
beunos/packaged/packages15:26
KleinerPinguinkiko, after all its just one file with 120 strings....maybe im im just procastinating :- ) 15:27
philni see... well i want an automatized way to track bugfixes and eventually revisions... and it seems to be lacking in LP15:27
kikophiln, as far as I know we do handle commits -- but as abentley said the branch scanner seems tied up15:27
philnfor a given bug i want to know when and by whom it was fixed, e.g: a link between the bug and the commit15:28
philnok...15:28
abentleyphiln: The changelog bug handling is only done for package uploads, not for branches.15:29
philnis it planned to fix that? it's quite annoying IMO :(15:29
kikoabentley, hang on -- we do support --fixes, though, right?15:30
kikoabentley, I mean, we don't scan changelogs, but we do scan metadata15:30
abentleykiko: That's my understanding.15:30
kikoso what philn is doing should worn15:30
kikowork too :)15:30
abentleywill work, too, once his branch is scanned.15:30
philnwell i remember it worked at least once for me15:30
kikophiln, as abentley and I said before, it will work -- it's just that the scanner process is a bit busy right now.15:31
KleinerPinguinkiko, sorry to bug you again. Do you have a pointer where to track that spefic feature. I assume its somewhere in blueprints but i cant think of a search query right now15:31
philnok so it's just a question of time 15:31
philngood then15:31
kiko(and will need to be optimized, it appears! guess we don't have enough big branches to try it yet :)15:31
kikoKleinerPinguin, best person to ask is jt1, who runs the translations project15:31
abentleyphiln: No, we don't have a plan to support scanning changelogs for branches.  It's a wishlist bug at the moment.15:32
kikoabentley, did philn mention changelogs anywhere?15:32
kikoah15:32
kikoclose bugs from changelogs15:32
kikophiln, that feature is for package upload changelogs :)15:32
philni understood that15:33
philnbut i used to like that feature in Trac15:33
kikophiln, why not use --fixes, which is much more explicit?15:33
abentleytrac uses the commit messages.  I wasn't aware it also used changelogs.15:33
philni find --fixes easy to forget.. i guess i need to get used to it15:34
philnabentley: oops, yes you're right15:34
philnso i do bzr uncommit and commit again when i forget --fixes... anyway, nevermind15:36
cperrin88Hi, I'm trying to put my software into my PPA. Is there a delay in this process or did I do something wrong?15:39
kikocperrin88, if you did something wrong in packaging, you'll get emailed, as long as you signed the package right 15:52
kikocperrin88, there is a delay in building, but upload processing is pretty quick 15:52
cperrin88Thakns15:52
cperrin88about 10 seconds before your answeer i got an e-mail :D15:53
Hobbseedoes this include intrepid now?15:54
cperrin88who did you ask?15:58
Hobbseekiko15:58
emgentuhm16:01
kikoHobbsee, not sure if the chroots are set up -- right people to ask would be infinity or elmo 16:01
emgentwhy launchpad PPA dont show building status?16:01
cprovemgent: it does. Which page are you viewing ?16:02
emgentpmb16:03
cperrin88doesn't the server delete file when the build didn't work?16:06
cperrin88*the files16:07
emgentno16:07
cperrin88can I delete them?16:07
emgentsure16:08
cperrin88how?16:08
emgentcperrin88: https://edge.launchpad.net/~user/+archive/+delete-packages16:11
kikothere's a delete packages link on your PPA page16:11
cperrin88This PPA does not contain any source packages published.16:11
cprovcperrin88: you have never uploaded any sources to https://edge.launchpad.net/~cperrin88/+archive, that's why. Or do you mean another PPA ?16:14
cperrin88i did uplaod sources but they were rejected16:15
kikocperrin88, so there was no build either16:15
cperrin88right16:15
cperrin88but dput tells me that the file is already there16:16
kikocperrin88, if you do succeed in uploading and the build fails, you'll be able to delete packages (sometimes -- read the help text :)16:16
kikocperrin88, that's not possible -- we don't reuse ftp directories16:16
Hobbseecperrin88: use dput -f16:16
cperrin88ah16:16
cperrin88okay16:16
Hobbseekiko: it's whinging about the fact that it's already been uploaded somewhere, from that system.16:16
Hobbseekiko: it's a local error.16:17
kikointeresting -- yeah, dput has no way of knowing if it failed!16:17
Hobbseecperrin88: or remove the .upload file16:17
cperrin88okay :)16:17
cperrin88thanks16:17
cperrin88in which file do I have to set the distribution before using debuild .... just in th changelog file?16:18
Hobbseeyes16:19
emgentcprov: news about building status?16:25
cprovemgent: no, you haven't pointed me to the page that makes you think that there is no build-status, have you ? ;)16:27
Hobbseeemgent: if you're looking for a global build queue for ppa, there isn't one.16:28
cperrin88where can i find the right values for section in the control file16:31
KaZeRhello there16:33
cperrin88hi16:33
KaZeRwhat should i do to request the import of our project's svn?16:34
KaZeRsimply ask the question in the question tracker?16:34
cperrin88the i386 builder seems to be quite busy ^^ 3 hours ... that's some time ^^16:57
bobbocperrin88: heh, Ubuntu has almost 1200 builds queued for all builders :/16:58
cperrin88yeah16:58
cperrin88amd64 and lpia are on idle .... the problem is .. I don't have such a platform :D16:59
geserlooks like the autosync was turned on16:59
geserlooks like someone is building languagepacks, they need some time, so be patient17:02
cperrin88I have time17:02
cperrin88a lot of intrepid builds17:05
cperrin88what is the build score?17:08
bobbois anyone else having problems with Launchpad not updating for new bzr revisions?17:12
kikobobbo, yeah, the branch scanner is tied up apparently - some massive branches are in17:12
bobbokiko: heh, thanks :)17:13
Hobbseecperrin88: what's the location of your ppa, and which package?17:13
cperrin88http://ppa.launchpad.net/cperrin88/ubuntu/ , package bcv4 - 0.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa117:16
cperrin88I thought the service would build for all architectures ... but atm it's just qeued for i368 and is already built for amd64 and lpia ...17:44
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geserPPA build only for i386, amd64 and lpia as only those arch are supported by Xen17:45
kiko-fudright -- it's a security issue, mainly, cperrin88 17:45
cperrin88ahh .. okay :)17:45
cperrin88I need i368 so ... i have to wait ^^17:46
cperrin88But there are builders for the other architectures but they are not virtualized?17:47
geseryes, but only for the "official" uploads to the Ubuntu archive17:47
cperrin88are there plans to virtualize them somhow, too?17:48
geserthe i386 buildd is also responsible for building arch:all packages, so it has more to do then the other buildds17:48
cperrin88I can wait :)17:49
cperrin88I have to wait ^^17:49
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cperrin88the open suse build service was definately faster ....18:22
jaromilopen suse build service?18:25
cperrin88Yeah18:25
cperrin88It can build even Ubunut packages18:25
cperrin88*Ubuntu18:25
jaromilwow. thanks for the tip. never knew about that.18:26
jaromileven doe, launchpad works OK.18:26
cperrin88Yeah18:26
jaromili just finished automating all my scripts to upload new versions and such18:26
jaromilbut well. i need more :)18:26
cperrin88Well18:26
jaromilsorry, gotta go, bbl()18:26
cperrin88bye18:26
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cperrin88is buidl score my current place in the qeue?19:06
nosrednaekimthe PPA's are very very slow...19:06
nosrednaekimdownloading from them that is19:06
kikocperrin88, no, it's a score calculated on attributes of your package itself. it's used to calculate the position you should be in the queue, though there is an ETA you should be able to rely on for the build19:19
* bobbo wishes there was a dedicated PPA builder19:21
kikobobbo, there are dedicated PPA builders. what do you mean?19:21
bobbokiko: so how are the auto-sync'd ubuntu packages slowing down the PPA builds?19:22
kikobobbo, they aren't.19:23
kikoeverything's running a bit slow today, though, it seems.19:23
bobbokiko: ah ok, i though it was the Ubuntu packages slowing the PPA builds19:23
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bobbothanks for clearing that up :)19:24
kikosure thing :)19:24
cperrin88A list for the PPA builds would be great19:25
kikoit's being worked on (by al-maisan, btw)19:26
cperrin88that's good :)19:26
cperrin88wooohoo .. my package is building ^^20:03
bobbocperrin88: mine just built :D properly happy20:04
cperrin88mine is done, too :)20:08
asabil_hi all20:11
cperrin88hi20:11
asabil_seems like LP branch scanning is completely broken these days20:11
asabil_is that a known issue ?20:11
kikoyeah, it's currently blocked on some gigantic branches apparently20:11
kikoabentley might know more20:12
asabil_:/20:12
asabil_I see20:13
asabil_thanks20:13
cperrin88it seems like LP needs more servers ....20:14
abentleykiko, asabil_: AFAIK the last thing that happened was a recommendation to increase the timeout.20:15
asabil_hmm ?20:16
asabil_timeout for what ?20:16
abentleyasabil_: timeout for the script that scans the branches for new revisions.20:22
asabil_oh ok20:24
\shnow I know why you launchpadders don't opensource launchpad...you are not allowed to talk about it...because it's da "Phyt" club... as seen yesterday during a fair in karlsruhe ;) http://www.sourcecode.de/content/phyton-world ;)20:29
kikoheh20:31
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ahasenackdoes launchpad have something like bugzilla's "saved searches"?21:10
\shahasenack, browser bookmarks 21:11
ahasenackok, thanks21:11
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