[00:27] <emgent> heya cody-somerville :)
[00:27] <cody-somerville> emgent, hey
[00:39] <pochu> good night
[05:41] <dbmoodb> hi ah just a question regarding the man pages .... why are they less detailed than on debian ?
[05:41] <dbmoodb> like under man shutdown the fsck on reboot information is not there...
[05:44] <persia_> dbmoodb: That'd be accidental.  Probably worth a bug, if it isn't made clear by the changelogs.
[05:45] <dbmoodb> sure but .... it is very irritating
[05:45] <dbmoodb> according to ubuntu fsck on reboot is a bug
[05:45] <dbmoodb> it is an undocumented feature
[05:45] <dbmoodb> persia where do i find the changelog for this man file in particular ?
[05:46] <persia_> dbmoodb: `dpkg -S $(file)` will tell you which package.  Changelogs are by package.
[05:46] <dbmoodb> ok so the file ?
[05:47] <persia_> dbmoodb: Probably somewhere in /usr/share/man/...
[05:47] <dbmoodb> there ia lot ...
[05:47] <persia_> dbmoodb: Which manpage has the issue?  shutdown(1)?
[05:47] <dbmoodb> yeah
[05:48] <StevenK> dbmoodb: man -w shutdown
[05:48] <dbmoodb> ok got it
[05:48] <persia_> So, /usr/share/man/1/shutdown.1.gz (if I remember correctly).  I forget the exact mapping, but it ought be easy to find.
[05:48] <dbmoodb> and now ﻿`dpkg -S $(file)` on that ?
[05:48] <StevenK> /usr/share/man/man8/shutdown.8.gz
[05:48] <dbmoodb> /usr/share/man/man8/shutdown.8.gz
[05:49] <persia_> dbmoodb: Right.
[05:49] <persia_> StevenK: Thanks
[05:49] <dbmoodb> taking some time
[05:49] <dbmoodb> ok so it is upstart-compat-sysv:
[05:50] <StevenK> dbmoodb: dpkg -S reads through the entire file list for the installed system
[05:52] <dbmoodb> still isn't there...
[05:53] <dbmoodb> although it just accept what i put in
[05:53] <StevenK> Sorry?
[05:53] <dbmoodb>  shutdown -k -F 10:00Broadcast message from X@X
[05:53] <dbmoodb> 	(/dev/pts/0) at 14:53 ...
[06:11] <dholbach> good morning
[06:37] <geser> dholbach: good morning
[06:37] <dholbach> hey geser
[06:38] <dholbach> geser: when will you apply for core-dev? :-)
[06:38]  * dholbach grudgingly takes care of bug 230016
[06:38]  * dholbach hugs geser
[06:51] <dholbach> hi warp10
[06:52] <warp10> hey dholbach!
[07:00] <pitti> Good morning
[07:00] <pitti> siretart: cryptsetup> oh, thanks
[07:00] <dholbach> hiya pitti
[07:00] <pitti> Riddell: ok; I just don't understand how the MIRs can be a blocker at this time of intrepid?
[07:00]  * pitti hugs dholbach
[07:01] <geser> Hi pitti
[07:01] <dholbach> pitti: is there anything left to do on bug 202460?
[07:02] <pitti> dholbach: it needs to be fixed in intrepid, too
[07:02] <dholbach> OK
[07:03]  * pitti checks intrepid version
[07:03] <pitti> dholbach: ok, I can copy-package it over, it's the same as in hardy
[07:03] <dholbach> ROCK
[07:03] <dholbach> gracias
[07:06] <pwnguin> aww
[07:06] <pwnguin> asac just left =(
[07:06] <pwnguin> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435712
[07:06] <pwnguin> a patch to fix fsync on ff3
[07:06] <dholbach> pwnguin: it's 8:07 in Germany - not sure asac is up yet
[07:07] <pwnguin> ...
[07:07] <pwnguin> well, his client reset
[07:08] <dholbach> his client is almost always online :)
[07:22] <emgent> morning
[07:24] <dholbach> hiya emgent
[07:24] <emgent> hey dholbach :)
[07:25] <emgent> do you know who can active ubuntu.com mail alias? (seems not work auto)
[07:25] <dholbach> emgent: if you have trouble with that, best ask in #launchpad
[07:26] <Koon> hey emgent + dholbach
[07:26] <emgent> cool
[07:26] <dholbach> hi Koon
[07:26] <emgent> hi Koon
[09:37] <Riddell> pitti: because I can't upload kde until the depends get into main (unless I do the load of changes to kde 4 packages we did in hardy, then undo them again when i can go into main, that would take a long time)
[09:37] <pitti> Riddell: ah, I see
[09:38] <tseliot> pitti: check your mail when you have the time ;)
[09:38] <pitti> tseliot: I saw your upload request
[09:39] <tseliot> ﻿pitti: great
[09:47] <siretart> pitti: I hope I didn't break too much
[09:47] <pitti> siretart: looks fine :)
[09:47] <pitti> siretart: I was just curious about those two things
[09:48]  * pitti hugs siretart, thanks
[09:48]  * siretart hugs pitti  back :)
[09:48] <siretart> there is still quite some bug triaging work to do on cryptsetup. not as  bad as on usplash, but still
[09:49] <siretart> do we have an usplash maintainer atm?
[09:52] <pitti> not really ATM; I fixed a couple of bugs in Hardy, but not extensively
[09:56] <emgent> morning
[10:06] <pitti> desrt: did you ever get any feedback for bug 183411? I'd like to move this to gutsy-updates, but only after I get at least one confirmation that the package still works
[10:24] <pitti> doko: did you get any feedback about sun-java5  1.5.0-15-0ubuntu0.6.06 in dapper-proposed?
[10:30] <norsetto> rockstar pitti?
[10:30] <pitti> ?
[10:30] <pitti> hi norsetto
[10:31] <emgent> lol
[10:31] <emgent> hi norsetto
[10:31] <norsetto> pitti: hey, was good to meet you
[10:31] <pitti> norsetto: likewise!
[10:31] <norsetto> pitti: I was told you were one of the rockstars at the party on Friday night ;-)
[10:31] <pitti> norsetto: I played 'wish you were here', but only one song
[10:32] <norsetto> pitti: ah ... pink floyd ...
[10:32] <pitti> norsetto: you really missed a great party, DJ Holy Holbach was awesome, too
[10:32]  * norsetto sheds a tear
[10:32] <norsetto> pitti: Daniel is unstoppable when it comnes to rocking
[10:33] <norsetto> pitti: do you know if I need to ask for a give back for this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14708212/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.findlib_1.2.1-4build1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[10:34] <norsetto> emgent: are you always here!?
[10:34] <pitti> norsetto: I can try
[10:34] <emgent> norsetto: sure
[10:35] <pitti> norsetto: kicked
[10:35] <norsetto> pitti: thx, I need that to be built before I can upload a bunch of other packages
[10:41] <doko> pitti: sorry, no feedback, I'd suggest accepting it, I didn't see any problems, and the package in debian is ok as well.
[10:41] <pitti> doko: did you test the actual .debs yourself?
[10:41] <pitti> doko: the ones from -proposed, not the locally built ones, I mean
[10:42] <doko> pitti: not much more than starting the runtime
[10:43] <doko> emgent: no idea why you message me; please ask on #ubuntu-motu for general stuff
[10:54] <asac> pitti: langpack update. how to go on?
[10:55] <asac> i am currently QAing a test run
[10:55] <pitti> asac: translations are sorted out on LP now?
[10:55] <asac> pitti: yes. i am currently using the 24-5 update tarball
[10:55] <asac> pitti: the tarballs i have produced are at /tmp/out.trans.rc1a/
[10:55] <asac> pitti: its bug 233922
[10:56] <asac> pitti: riddel agreed that its ok to move them to language-pack-XX
[10:56] <asac> Riddell that is ;)
[10:56] <pitti> asac: I guess that was fixed only recently, i. e. http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-langpack/ubuntu/pool/main/l/language-pack-gnome-de/ is not recent enough?
[10:56] <pitti> asac: oh, heck, that one has May 05 only
[10:56] <asac> pitti: most likely not. i had to tune the blacklist
[10:57] <asac> so do a rerun if possible and move to language-pack-XX from gnome-XX
[10:57] <pitti> the former will be done automatically, the latter requires a lot of manual action
[10:57] <asac> pitti: ? afaict the replaces are in place
[10:58] <asac> language-pack-de => Replaces: language-pack-de-base, language-pack-de-base (<< 1:6.06+20080303), language-pack-gnome-de-base (<< 1:6.06+20080303), language-pack-kde-de-base (<< 1:6.06+20080303), language-pack-de (<< 1:6.06+20080303)
[10:58] <pitti> asac: right, but if someone installs the new gnome-base packages after the new default -base ones, he'll get the old version again
[10:58] <asac> pitti: hmm ... cant we drop them from gnome-XXX ?
[10:59] <pitti> asac: IOW, I recommend to just reupload all the affected -base ones from scratch, instead of just the update ones
[10:59] <pitti> asac: yes, we can
[11:00] <asac> pitti: can we do this reupload through langpack-o-matic?
[11:00] <pitti> asac: yes
[11:00] <asac> what do you need?
[11:00] <pitti> just the list of affected languages
[11:01] <pitti> asac: ok, if/when your local test is working, give me a ping; I'll kick off a PPA build then
[11:01] <pitti> which we can use for testing; if it works, we can copy it to hardy-proposed
[11:01] <asac> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14753/ <= beta 5 locales
[11:02] <asac> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14754/
[11:02] <cprov> pitti: very nice that you are exploring PPA copying ;)
[11:02] <asac> pitti: <= RC1 locales (list will be finalized after my testing)
[11:03] <pitti> cprov: I have done that for months already, but source-only so far
[11:03] <asac> pitti: ok
[11:03] <pitti> asac: ah, it's so many, I think I'll just rebuild them all
[11:03] <pitti> asac: we need to do it in two steps anyway
[11:03] <cprov> pitti: that's fine, saves your time.
[11:03] <asac> pitti: i think there are a few languages that have a mozilla.tar.gz in update packages
[11:04] <pitti> (1) build using the current export delta tarball and test it
[11:04] <asac> pitti: should be es, zh, pt, en
[11:04] <pitti> (2) request a new full export, wait until it's done, rebuild all pacsk from scratch, upload to -proposed
[11:04] <asac> pitti: bug 233922 is the tracker bug. i have uploaded everything except midbrowser and those language packs
[11:04] <asac> pitti: we could punch them in now or all in a batch
[11:05] <cprov> pitti: although, for lang-packs PPA copying the binaries would be harmless since it only contains lang-packs.
[11:05] <asac> (e.g. approve to -proposed)
[11:05] <pitti> cprov: right, I filed a bug about that ages ago, to save a lot of buildd power
[11:05] <pitti> asac: does the new ffox work with the translations from hardy final?
[11:05] <pitti> (that was usually the case with ffox2, but asking to be sure)
[11:06] <asac> pitti: no, but i took measures that it isn't broken in case the user doesn't catch the locales at the same time. but if possible lang packs would go out in sync with xul + ffox
[11:06] <pitti> asac: for 'out' being -proposed, too or -updates?
[11:06] <asac> pitti: this one is the last upload where upstream changed strings
[11:06] <norsetto> hi asac ... got my last email :-)?
[11:07] <asac> pitti: mostly -updates. but to reduce confusion we might wanna wait till the rc1 translations get into -proposed
[11:07] <pitti> asac: right, that's what I figured, too
[11:08] <asac> norsetto: only have the gecko-mediaplayer ones in my inbox :(
[11:08] <asac> norsetto: did you use a different email address?
[11:09] <norsetto> asac: ok, I was spammed again, its about the new contributor
[11:09] <asac> norsetto: what email are you using?
[11:09] <norsetto> asac: asac@ubuntu.com, should I use a different one?
[11:09] <asac> if you disable HTML i should get the mail
[11:09] <asac> norsetto: well you gave me the gmail one only ;)
[11:09] <norsetto> asac: no HTML, I sent it using kmail
[11:09] <asac> norsetto: err ... what From: email did you use
[11:10] <asac> i have whitelisted your gmail thing
[11:10] <norsetto> asac: from: norsetto@ubuntu.com
[11:10] <asac> yeah ... thats a different one ... last email you send also had HTML
[11:10] <norsetto> asac: yes, I never use gmail, that was the first (and hopefully) last time, it wasn't my PC
[11:10] <asac> let me whitelist that too
[11:11] <asac> done
[11:12] <norsetto> asac: should I resend it?
[11:13] <asac> norsetto: hmm ... yeah maybe. wasnt even in my spam folder
[11:13] <asac> lets retry
[11:13] <norsetto> asac: ok, will do. Anyhow, it was good meeting you and the mozilla gang!
[11:14] <asac> norsetto: the pleasure was on my side!
[11:14] <asac> norsetto: gecko-* is in my queue :)
[11:14] <norsetto> asac: take your time, I'm sure you have much better things to do ;-)
[11:15] <asac> hehe
[11:16] <norsetto> asac: btw, I had a look at bug 224611
[11:16] <norsetto> ubottu: I love you neverthless
[11:17] <norsetto> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/224611
[11:18] <asac> norsetto: if you have a patch go ahead ;)
[11:19] <norsetto> asac: well, I wanted to talk with you, because the only solution I found would be to hardcode the correct path in the *.pc.in, which looks ugly
[11:19] <norsetto> asac: so, perhaps symlinks would be better
[11:21] <asac> norsetto: i think hard-coding is better.
[11:21] <asac> there are configure scripts that use that path to set rpath for instance
[11:21] <asac> the firefox-2 thing is a hack anyway, so fixing this in a patch shouldnt be too bad
[11:23] <norsetto> asac: right, hack for hack I will attach a patch then
[11:35] <norsetto> doko: what do you think of bug 224847?
[11:37] <norsetto> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-central/+bug/224847
[11:39] <doko> norsetto: just a rebuild should be fine
[11:40] <norsetto> doko: ah, thx, I'll check it
[11:55] <emgent> hi gaspa
[11:56] <pitti> Riddell: libsoprano4_2.0.98-1_i386.deb is quite broken -- it installs a lot of non-SONAME specific files into /usr/share/soprano and /usr/share/dbus-1; IOW, you cannot install multiple libraries with differnet SONAMEs
[11:56] <pitti> Riddell: also programs in /usr/bin/
[11:59] <Riddell> pitti: you think they should be in a separate package?
[12:00] <pitti> Riddell: filed as bug 234952
[12:00] <pitti> Riddell: yes, if we don't want to completely break upgrades
[12:11] <gaspa> hi emgent.
[12:15] <asac> pitti: test finished (24 may)
[12:16] <asac> pitti: let me know when we have a new tarball. i can take a quick look
[12:16] <pitti> asac: ok, building PPA packages then
[12:48] <norsetto> pitti: could you perhaps sync bug 234833 and bug 234831? Sorry for asking here, but I would like to finish the ocaml transition for cduce (bug 234581) and I need these two asap
[12:50] <pitti> norsetto: I'll do a complete -a run
[12:50] <norsetto> pitti: danke!
[12:51] <pitti> norsetto: (that means, sync everything from Debian which we did not modify)
[12:51] <norsetto> pitti: yes, I got that ;-)
[12:54]  * norsetto -> lunch
[13:17] <siretart> glatzor: around? - You still have my head set! ;)
[13:17] <glatzor> siretart, I know. you disappeared suddently
[13:17] <siretart> glatzor: as said, I had to catch a plane
[13:17] <siretart> glatzor: could you mail it to me perhaps?
[13:17] <glatzor> siretart, would you like to send me your post address in an email?
[13:17] <glatzor> siretart, I will send it to you tomorrow
[13:18] <siretart> see query
[13:19] <glatzor> fine. thanks for sharing.
[13:19] <siretart> aah, you are not authenticated, so I don't see your answer in query
[13:19] <siretart> silly freenode :/.
[13:20] <glatzor> siretart, you made your way back home well?
[13:20] <siretart> yes, it was fine
[13:20] <glatzor> siretart, you really missed something on friday evening!
[13:20] <siretart> I was a bit tired on saturday and overslept badly, but the trip was fine
[13:20] <siretart> how was your trip home? when did you arrive?
[13:21] <glatzor> I extended my stay to sunday since I met with my girlfried there
[13:21] <siretart> ah, nice :)
[13:22] <glatzor> siretart, but the center of the city is really evil in the night
[13:22] <glatzor> siretart, a lot of drunken english men, drugs and professionals
[13:22] <siretart> oh
[13:22] <glatzor> siretart, but we had a nice backyard in our pension :)
[13:23] <siretart> we were on thursday evening in the city, and it was lovely :)
[13:23] <siretart> ah :)
[13:23] <glatzor> luckily all the drunken ones sleep during daylight :)
[14:09] <fabbione> hi guys
[14:11] <Hobbsee> heya
[14:13] <zul> hey fabbione
[14:15] <pitti> hey fabbione!
[14:16]  * fabbione wonders who is the archive admin of the day
[14:17] <fabbione> so how is life guys?
[14:19] <pitti> fabbione: nice to be back home, although the conf, the party, the city, and the beer in Prague were very nice :)
[14:19] <fabbione> pitti: eehhehe
[14:20] <norsetto> asac: patch attached to bug 224611
[14:22]  * fabbione ponders a cluster release....
[14:30] <fabbione> pitti: are you on archive admin duties today?
[14:30] <pitti> fabbione: no, my shift is on Fridays; today is slangasek's
[14:30] <fabbione> ok thanks
[14:30] <pitti> I did an autosync run, though
[14:30] <fabbione> that's ok.. it's not urgent
[14:31] <fabbione> also because next week release/upload will have yet another shared library added
[14:31] <fabbione> new'ing now or next week matters not
[14:32] <fabbione> i am going to name 3.0: "The shared libraries inflated release"
[14:32] <pitti> hehe
[15:03] <pitti> bdmurray: regarding your recent editmoin comment: I just tried "editmoin -t SpecTemplate ubuntu/DesktopTeam/Specs/Intrepid/DevicePermissions", that works fine for me; what was your problem again?
[15:28] <Laney> When calling "apt-get build-dep", is there any reason why one dependency wouldn't be pulled in? I have a package (ygraph) which build-deps on docbook-utils. This then depends on docbook-dsssl which in turn depends on (docbook | docbook-xml). The problem is that neither of the last two are being pulled in by apt-get. Something to do with the alternatives, maybe?
[15:34] <pitti> asac: PPA langpack update complete
[15:34] <pitti> asac: http://launchpad.net/+builds is munching through them full steam
[15:35] <asac> pitti: ok. let me know when they built. I will take a preview look at the most important ones; then push everything to -proposed?
[15:35] <pitti> asac: no, I won't upload those, since they are still in -gnome
[15:36] <asac> hmm
[15:36] <pitti> asac: if they work fine, I request a full export, and rebuild them from scratch
[15:36] <pitti> the full export will happen tomorrow night
[15:36] <asac> pitti: why do you need a full export to do the gnome -> pack move?
[15:36] <pitti> (AFAIR)
[15:36] <asac> the xpis are all in the current update pack
[15:36] <pitti> asac: well, I could also manually merge the last full export and the delta
[15:37] <pitti> but hte current delta is 200 MB, which is 70% of the full export
[15:37] <pitti> with regard to that, a full export and fresh -base packages make sense anyway
[15:37] <asac> no all fine. just wonder why you need a full in order to move those bits. at least i already QAed the 24th may bits
[15:38] <asac> ok. please ping me when the full export is there - before pushing the update. i will pre-QA them so we dont miss a blacklisting or something.
[15:38] <pitti> ok, will do
[15:38] <asac> gratias
[15:40] <Riddell> pitti: debian don't want to change soprano for bug 234952, since it would create a circular dependency, do you still think it worth me changing it in ubuntu?
[15:41] <pitti> Riddell: d'oh; even for Debian it's not a question of whether they want it...
[15:41] <pitti> Riddell: it's equally broken in Debian
[15:41] <pitti> Riddell: why is a circular dependency a problem?
[15:42] <pitti> for a new SONAME, the -bin package would flip dependency from libfoo4 to libfoo5, that's fine on upgrades
[15:43] <Riddell> does a circular dependency create upgrade problems?
[15:43] <pitti> I don't see why?
[15:44] <ScottK> pitti: We've had clamav 0.92.1 and all the rdepends in feisty-/gutsy-backports for ~ 1 month now with no complaints.  We've got some open CVEs in the current versions that I've not had much luck getting someone to develop patches for.  I'd like to push the -backports stuff to -updates like we did for Dapper.  What do you think?
[15:44] <pitti> ScottK: if it was good for dapper, it should be fine for feisty/gutsy IMHO
[15:44] <Riddell> what's the advantage of splitting?  since both binaries and libraries need to have the same version installed
[15:44] <emgent> ScottK: what CVEs ?
[15:44] <pitti> ScottK: however, "no complaints" is just one side of the metric -- how many people use and tested the backports version?
[15:45] <ScottK> pitti: Sounds good to me.  I'll prepare bugs with the details and get back to you.
[15:45] <pitti> Riddell: just think about what happens if the SONAME needs a bump
[15:45] <pitti> Riddell: you can't install version 4 and 5 in parallel, since they conflict
[15:45] <pitti> but with a separate -bin, you can
[15:45] <ScottK> emgent: Just a moment.
[15:45] <pitti> ScottK: great
[15:46] <Riddell> pitti: you can't with a separate bin, since the -bin depends on the same version of the library
[15:46] <pitti> ?
[15:46] <pitti> Riddell: the old version depends on 4, the new on 5; both are installable if the libraries are
[15:47] <pitti> thus the -bin package can be upgraded independently, and without problems?
[15:48] <Riddell> pitti: I can check with upstream, but I think that would be very unreliable
[15:48] <ScottK> emgent: See Bug #217256
[15:48] <pitti> Riddell: why should that be any different than any of the other 1000 source packages which produce libraries and executables?
[15:49] <emgent> ok thanks ScottK
[15:49] <emgent> woow more CVEs, backport sounds good for me
[15:49] <pitti> Riddell: postgresql-client and libpq5, openssl and libssl0.9.8, libtiff4 and libtiff-tools, etc.
[15:51] <pitti> Riddell: if the Debian guys are more comfortable with it, they could make the libsoprano5 Recommends: libsoprano-bin (which would probably be more correct anyway)
[15:51] <pitti> but I still fail to see why a circular dependency would fail to upgrade
[16:06] <mh21> warp10: in launchpad bug #195407, you removed the subscription of ubuntu-universe-sponsors because of the debdiff. What is the problem with it?
[16:10]  * pitti waves to mh21
[16:11]  * mh21 waves back
[16:13] <mh21> warp10: for me it applies cleanly to the latest source package, so I was wondering what needs to be done to get the bug fixed in Intrepid...
[16:15] <persia> mh21: Mostly what you're doing.  If you don't get a response in 6-8 hours, just resubscribe the sponsors with a comment asking for more explanation if it is again removed from the queue.
[16:16] <mh21> persia, thanks
[16:19] <Hobbsee> mh21: looks like warp10 made an error there, and didn't even read the last comment :-\
[16:21] <mh21> Hobbsee, I will just resubscribe u-u-s again tomorrow if nothing happens...
[16:21] <narcarsiss> anybody here linked up with extreme tux racer i'm intrested in helping with the development i'm great in detecting errors in code, or any other program for ubuntu/debian
[16:27] <lamont> meh.  why does ubuntu's rmadison not show ports architectures?
[16:30] <narcarsiss> ask the developers :P
[16:42] <persia> lamont: If you can find a solution, you'd not be the only happy person...
[16:42] <lamont> persia: heh.  it's almost certainly a trivial solution
[16:43] <persia> lamont: Well, assuming access to the right machines, yes :)
[16:43] <lamont> persia: there is access, and there is access... :-)
[16:44] <persia> lamont: So true
[16:52] <soren> lamont: Also, there is trivial, and there is trivial. :)
[17:09] <lamont> soren: I'm told it's pretty trivial - I'll file an RT sometime soonish
[17:45] <ScottK> pitti: I've filed the clamav bugs.  It comes in 3 parts: Bug #235010 backports one rdepend I missed on the first round. Bug #235014 is for feisty-backports -> feisty-updates.  Bug #235021 is for gutsy-backports -> gutsy-updates.
[17:53] <pitti> ScottK: whoops
[17:54] <pitti> ScottK: does clamav need gurlchecker? i. e. do I need to wait with the copying until gurlchecker is built?
[17:54] <ScottK> pitti: Yep.  My thought is do the missing backport and then pick it up later in the week.
[17:54] <ScottK> pitti: No.
[17:54] <pitti> ScottK: (and does gurlchecker need to be copied, too?)
[17:54] <ScottK> pitti: gurlchecker does need to be copied, but it can be done after.
[17:57] <ScottK> pitti: The lowest risk way to do this is to do the gurlchecker backport now and wait on the copying unti after it's built (e.g. tomorrow).
[18:03] <crimsun> ogra: any objections to obsoleting libflashsupport (in favour of libasound2-plugins) for intrepid?
[18:07] <pitti> yay
[18:44] <Nafallo> hmm
[18:44] <Nafallo> how can I use a SOCKS with apt-get?
[18:53] <jdong> Nafallo: I'm guessing tsocks/socat is not the right answer?
[18:55] <Nafallo> jdong: might be. just need to get the thingies to go through my ssh proxy. abusing Internet from a train :-P
[18:57] <jdong> Nafallo: yay :)
[18:57] <jdong> Nafallo: I was doin the same at an airport :)
[18:57] <jdong> (this statement cannot be used as legal evidence against me in a court of law...)
[18:57] <johanbr> Nafallo: openssh can tunnel through socks.
[18:57] <jdong> johanbr: that's what he's doing I presume
[18:57] <jdong> johanbr: he's asking how to get APT to use the tunnel
[18:58] <johanbr> ahh. sorry. :)
[18:58] <jdong> in which case I don't think socat/tsocks is a bad answer :D
[18:58] <Nafallo> hehe
[18:58] <jdong> probably the most utterly hackish answer
[18:58] <jdong> but you guys have learend to expect that out of me :D
[18:59] <Nafallo> proxychains looks kind of interesting :-)
[19:04] <Nafallo> dockesn't do what I want :-/
[19:12] <siretart> Nafallo: yes. use it with tsocks
[19:16] <Nafallo> I only get E302 :-/
[19:16] <Nafallo> W: Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-proposed/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz  302 Moved Temporarily [IP: 91.189.88.46 80]
[19:20] <Nafallo> oh well. works for evolution :-P
[19:20] <Nafallo> I like that they kept my keep-alives running after the 30 minutes ;-)
[19:21] <ScottK> Because apt doesn't know how to follow redirects.  There's an open bug on that.
[19:23] <Nafallo> hmmm
[19:23] <Nafallo> in other news... is something up with scandium?
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[20:48] <N00B> is this good english
[20:49] <jpds> ##english would be the correct place but ......
[21:33]  * lamont wonders what, if anything, he is supposed to understand as a bug report from bug 225608, or if that's just another example of "close the content-free apport bug" class?
[21:38] <mathiaz> lamont: usually I ask the reporter to post the content of the upgrade log files (found in /var/log/dist-upgrade).
[21:42] <lamont> hrm.. bug 228439 should be reassigned to whatever package does the automounting now
[22:24] <emgent> uhm
[22:25] <emgent> why gradm2 is in ubuntu archivie?
[22:25] <emgent> we dont have grsecurity yet.
[22:26] <crimsun> emgent: likely because it was simply synced.
[22:26] <emgent> crimsun: but we reject kernel-patch-grsecurit2
[22:26] <geser> and nobody catched it till now that it's useless
[22:26] <emgent> I'm working to it now
[22:27] <ajmitch> that's because kernel-pacth-* stuff is blacklisted
[22:27] <emgent> oh thank ajmitch
[22:27] <emgent> s/thank/thanks/
[22:27] <emgent> so, i should edit gradm2.
[22:28] <ajmitch> edit it to do what?
[22:29] <emgent> ajmitch: depends
[23:33]  * lamont wonders what the new grand replacement is for xmms, now that he notices that gtkpod is b0rked
[23:33] <pwnguin> rhythmbox?
[23:33] <pwnguin> beep
[23:33] <pwnguin> ?
[23:33] <Robot101> lamont: beep media player is an xmms-alike
[23:33] <lamont> Robot101: rather, what do I tell gtkpod to run
[23:33] <lamont> ?
[23:33] <bigon> infinity: ? are you around?
[23:34] <lamont> and it'd be really nice to figure out why consolekit decided that it doesn't want to start on my desktop...
[23:34] <lamont> not automounting things, but rather just giving a dbus error, isn't exactly nice...
[23:35] <lamont> I suppose I could just reinstall hardy, but one would think that upgrading (via update-manager) would produce a working machine...
[23:35] <lamont> or at least useful error messages.
[23:36]  * lamont wanders off for a while