[17:33] <berent> i see 3 letters of 'u'  and one letter of 'n' which look like porn chat symbols on the ubuntu sticker. even the sticker is shaped like a 'u' when seen horizontally. who has designed this way of writing our ubuntu
[17:34] <berent> i did not want to make it serious but when i recieved some cd's today of hardy( one more "hard" name!!) i was like. why is it so obvious everywhere? and the sticker is quite big. i would love something which is compact and beautiful like asus, amd or even marketman windows!!
[17:35] <berent> anyone alive here?
[17:35] <pep> yes
[17:36] <pep> you know f you have a serious criticism, proposal, or idea in general for marketing... you better write to the mailing list. the channel is mostly used for intra-marketing team coordination
[17:37] <pep> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[17:41] <berent> pep: why cant be irc a place of effective communication instead of mailing list.
[17:42] <pep> because people are at work or doing other things than hanging around on the internet waiting for someone to enter the channel most of the time.
[17:42] <pep> so it is a place like that but when there are meetings, announced in advance.
[17:42] <pep> else you must see the more active channels like #ubuntu
[17:43] <pep> if you absolutely want a debate, you can write to different mailing lists and invite people to join you here at a given date/time.
[17:44] <pep> in the meantime, I still have a 5cm pile of paper to work myself through :)
[17:46] <berent> pep: great. but still can you take this to higher ups since this is a very important thing. hope u understand.
[17:48] <pep> berent: ubuntu is a community-driven project, if you write your exact way of thinking and thoughts to the marketing mailing list, trust me, the "higher ups" will see it too... if it comes to a real debate and several people think like you, then it will have its effect.
[17:50] <berent> pep: that's what can u just copy and paste this somewhere there. i am a bit lazy with signing up since i mostly chat on irc.
[17:52] <pep> you can try writing to the list without signing up and specifing to send you a copy, but it's kind of a risk... else you just write a single mail, saying that you are not on the list so any responses must go back to your personal email, and calling for a debate about this... you know... some ubunteros I know absolutely don't agree with me but one of my great principles is "Love it, change it, or leave it." Personally I love ubuntu as it is, I
[17:52] <pep> actually *like* it... so if you don't, find people who think the same as you, and get your voice heard!
[17:54] <pep> right, I'm off, I've got to go now... If really you don't want to write to the list, I can write it, but it will have absolutely no effect if I'm correct, because I'l jsut be copy/pasting someone else's thoughts, without even being of the same opinion...
[17:54] <pep> I'll just*
[17:56] <pep> I'm off... see you later tonight if you want to talk