[06:11] <dholbach> good morning
[13:44] <m14> hello
[13:44] <Keybuk> I don't seem to be having much luck with the current daily
[13:45] <Keybuk> I downloaded /moblin/hardy/mccaslin_samsungq1ultrafull/20080526/*.img, wrote it to a USB key and booted the Q1
[13:45] <Keybuk> it's stuck at "will mount root from /dev/sdb" and not doing anything else
[13:45] <m14> i have old compaq pocket pc 3800, is it posible install ubuntu mobile on it ?
[13:47] <persia> m14: Only lpia is supported for now.  There might be ARM in the future, but the 3800 might be too slow.
[13:47] <m14> persia: i thought so, but was wondering if it is posible. tnx for info m8
[14:36] <lool> Keybuk: Could you try pressing esc during boot?
[14:37] <lool> Keybuk: Check where it boots from the boot menu
[14:37] <lool> Keybuk: My BIOS version says 03ME in the Main BIOS menu
[14:37] <lool> Keybuk: What about yours?
[14:38] <suihkulokki> is the arm meeting doc in wiki yet?
[14:38] <lool> My BIOS boot order is USB CDROM, USB KEY, USB HDD, IDE HDD, ...
[14:38] <lool> suihkulokki: It should
[14:39]  * lool searches
[14:39] <suihkulokki> I tried searching and failed
[14:39] <Keybuk> lool: booting off the USB key doesn't seem to be problem, it does that just fine
[14:40] <Keybuk> it's that the installer on the USB key never appears
[14:41] <lool> suihkulokki: I failed too
[14:42] <lool> suihkulokki: And I failed finding it in gobby as well
[14:42] <lool> Suckage
[14:42] <lool> I think IS have hourly backups
[14:43] <lool> Keybuk: I was hoping that perhaps some BIOS drive mappings might explain why it isn't working on your side
[14:43] <lool> I'm rsyncing the latest image in the mean time
[14:43] <Keybuk> lool: 03ME
[14:43] <lool> Keybuk: How did you write the image BTW?
[14:43] <lool> dd?  image-creator?
[14:43] <Keybuk> my order is USB CDROM, USB HDD, IDE HDD, USB KEY, USB FDC, PCI BEV
[14:43] <Keybuk> with ZIP and LS120 excluded
[14:43] <Keybuk> lool: dd
[14:43] <lool> Keybuk: USB KEY should be higher I guess
[14:44] <Keybuk> lool: usb key is ?
[14:44] <lool> Keybuk: You dded on /dev/sdN, not sdN<digit> I suppose?
[14:44] <Keybuk> lool: no, sdb1
[14:44] <lool> Keybuk: You should be dding on /dev/sdb and booting on USB key
[14:44] <lool> USB key is well, an USB key; I don't understand your question
[14:44] <lool> It's a flash dongle
[14:45] <lool> Dunno whether that's an americanism
[14:45] <Keybuk> ok, let me try to sdb
[14:45] <Keybuk> we call usb storage devices that fit on a keyring "USB keys" 
[14:45] <Keybuk> but the Q1 seems to call those USB HDDs
[14:45] <lool> I also wondered about USB keys versus USB HDDs
[14:46] <lool> Keybuk: What would USB KEY in the Q1's bios then be?
[14:46] <Keybuk> no idea
[14:46] <Keybuk> it just says "Not installed" :)
[14:47] <lool> Perhaps it has heuristics to support some other USB ids which is assigned to USB keys; I thought everything was mass storage
[14:50] <persia> Is the Q1 that different?  The SR8 just boots off any mass-storage, and always mounts the first found mass-storage device as /dev/sdb (assuming no partitioning, as with the images)
[14:51] <Keybuk> lool: ok, trying with image just written to sdb
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[14:52] <Keybuk> this seems to be making filesystems
[14:53] <lool> Keybuk: There's a different image which is called "liverw" which you can get by typing boot=usb in the boot menu, it will probably work from the image you have
[14:53] <lool> the difference is that it boots from USB and only that
[15:01] <Keybuk> ok, all seems to work now
[15:04] <lool> Cool
[18:12] <mesaynaysayer> hello?
[18:12] <mesaynaysayer> can someone help me?
[18:12] <mesaynaysayer> i have a question :)
[18:13] <mesaynaysayer> i want to buy an mid 
[18:13] <mesaynaysayer> but i want to know what kind you reccomend for runnning ubuntu mobile on it 
[18:13] <mesaynaysayer> anyone?
[18:15] <mesaynaysayer> like, what mid has everyone been having the highest level of suceess using ubuntu mobile on?
[18:15] <mesaynaysayer> pleaae excuse my n00bishness im 13 :(
[18:16] <persia> mesaynaysayer: The only device that is commonly available with significant testing of Ubuntu Mobile is the Samsung Q1 Ultra, and I wouldn't recommend it.
[18:17] <mesaynaysayer> hhhmmm.....
[18:17] <persia> You'll do better to either wait for future devices, or be prepared to do your own hacking.
[18:17] <mesaynaysayer> well, i might be able to do a little bit 
[18:17] <mesaynaysayer> what sort of hacking? 
[18:18] <persia> Personally, I've tried it on the Kohjinsha SR8, and know others who have tried it on similar subnotebooks, but it's designed too small for that.  There's not yet a lot of products out there in the 4-6" target screen size.
[18:18] <mesaynaysayer> ah 
[18:18] <persia> Mostly configuration hacks to make it work with your hardware.  X config stuff, running depmod -a to improve boot time, assigning the hardware buttons, etc.
[18:19] <mesaynaysayer> that dosent sound too hard
[18:19] <mesaynaysayer> i mean, im not a total n00b]
[18:19] <mesaynaysayer> i started using linux when i was 9 :
[18:19] <mesaynaysayer> :P*
[18:20] <mesaynaysayer> but, ubuntu mobile does work very well on the samsung q1 ultra?
[18:20] <persia> mesaynaysayer: Well, insofar as the samsung q1 ultra is a useful device, yes.
[18:21] <mesaynaysayer> so why wouldnt you reccomend it?
[18:21] <mesaynaysayer> is it as far as just the device isnt very good? ::p
[18:21] <persia> Mostly, I don't like the keyboard.  It's also too big for my pocket.
[18:23] <mesaynaysayer> ah 
[18:23] <mesaynaysayer> hhhmmm....
[18:23] <mesaynaysayer> i dont like they keyboard either :\
[18:23] <mesaynaysayer> did you say something about the kohjinsha sr8 working ok?
[18:24] <persia> mesaynaysayer: Yep.  I run it on an SR8.  Needs hacks for X and the application buttons, but works otherwise.  On the other hand, I think the SR8 is too large a device to really benefit from Ubuntu-Mobile.
[18:25] <persia> The SR8 also runs stock Ubuntu, and it's just large enough that this is almost bearable.  Ideally, there's something between -desktop and -mobile for that class of devices.
[18:27] <mesaynaysayer> yeah 
[18:27] <mesaynaysayer> i dont suppose anyone has had luck with any nokia mid's have they
[18:28] <persia> ubuntu-mobile is currently lpia only.  Nokia's devices run on ARM.
[18:28] <mesaynaysayer> see, i just got on summer vacation, and i want a little project to have fun with and leave me with a really cool device once school starts back 
[18:28] <mesaynaysayer> ah i see
[18:29] <mesaynaysayer> well, all i want is kind of a little computer to maintain my servers and do other stuff with when im out and about.
[18:29] <mesaynaysayer> hhhhhhmmm...
[18:31] <persia> mesaynaysayer: There are a few preannounced products, just not much shipping.  Take a look at the comparison page at www.umpcportal.com/products for some of the options.  Note that I've yet to find something retail that is both lpia and pocketable.
[18:34] <mesaynaysayer> thanks 
[18:35] <mesaynaysayer> you guys always help me :)
[18:39] <mesaynaysayer> im thinking something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS on a nokia 810
[18:41] <mesaynaysayer> n810*
[18:52] <mesaynaysayer> hey i have one more question 
[18:52] <lool> persia: I'd be curious to know -- if you get your touchscreen to work -- whether the initial flash movie would be more easily scrolled on your device
[18:53] <mesaynaysayer> if i get a mid with gps straight out of the box
[18:53] <lool> On both devices I tried on, it was almost unpossible to trigger the movie's rotation
[18:53] <mesaynaysayer> will gps only work like the map feature if i subscribe to something or does it work unconditionally?
[18:53] <persia> lool: Initial flash movie?  Is this a different image?
[18:53] <lool> mesaynaysayer: We currently don't include gps software, but you can add packages to it
[18:54] <lool> mesaynaysayer: Some are GPS daemons which will record the coordinates or show them on a map
[18:54] <lool> But we don't ship maps as the ones you'd find on proprietary devices
[18:54] <lool> persia: Well you might have seen one at UDS, and there also was one before the "HTML grid view" which was in flash, by Intel
[18:55] <lool> It's still around I think; I'm not sure it still works in UME, but I think MSG people still get it to run
[18:55] <persia> lool: I did see that.  Looked kinda like the interface on my 922SH.
[18:55] <lool> Ah my wife just showed me how my diner plate looked like, and I could also smell how it would taste, so I'm off for diner!
[18:56]  * persia collapses, to return to find out more about this flash thing another day
[19:01] <mesaynaysayer> ah