[06:33] <shirish> does anybody know how can I install gnash on icecat?
[07:57] <asac> hi
[08:31] <MechtiIde> asac, ping
[08:47] <asac> MechtiIde: hi
[08:47] <MechtiIde> hello Alexander
[08:48] <MechtiIde> do you speak German? asac
[08:49] <asac> MechtiIde: yeah, but not in this channel :) and these things are good for publ
[08:49] <asac> ic
[08:50] <asac> iirc it is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~saivann/ who prepared the last update of sunbird locales
[08:51] <asac> he regularly pops in this channel
[08:51] <MechtiIde> My question is how can we integrate the locales in the iceowl-extension in Debian
[08:51] <asac> yes, i know :-D
[08:51] <MechtiIde> I saw that in ubuntu there is version 0.7 and in dEbian/sid 0.8
[08:51] <asac> i think the sunbird-locales package does that
[08:52] <fta> hi
[08:52] <asac> did someone upload a broken package to debian
[08:52] <asac> ?
[08:52] <fta> asac, http://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Road_Map_To_XULRunner
[08:52] <asac> hi fta
[08:52] <MechtiIde> My Intension is: many user of OpenOffice.org want something like Outlook
[08:52] <MechtiIde> And we prefer to use Thunderbird/Lightning
[08:52] <asac> MechtiIde: prefer over what?
[08:53] <MechtiIde> asac, the sunbird-locales depends on sunbird (For Debian: iceowl-locales depends on iceowl and doesn't except iceowl-extension
[08:54] <asac> hmm
[08:54] <MechtiIde> I think this must be possible also when someone use Debian
[08:55] <MechtiIde> I don't want that the Debian user must install the upstream to use the whole functionality
[08:55] <asac> MechtiIde: i agree
[08:55] <MechtiIde> I try to describe it in english. I know it is very difficult for me to describe such a complex theme
[08:56] <asac> actually i thought that that was done already
[08:56] <MechtiIde> if I look on packages.debian.org for iceowl
[08:57] <MechtiIde> I find the l10n-packages (lenny/sid) for iceowl and not for the iceowl-extension
[08:57] <asac> MechtiIde: try to ln -s /usr/lib/sunbird/extensions/langpack-de@sunbird.mozilla.org /usr/lib/thunderbird/extensions/
[08:58] <asac> and add thunderbird with the proper versioning as  a target app to /usr/lib/sunbird/extensions/langpack-de@sunbird.mozilla.org
[08:58] <MechtiIde> then I must also install iceowl beside iceowl-extension?
[08:58] <asac>  /install.rdf
[08:58] <asac> no
[08:59] <asac> first see if you can use them for iceowl-extension
[08:59] <asac> if that works we have to fix the packaging
[08:59] <asac> aka link it properly
[08:59] <asac> add proper target application
[08:59] <asac> fix Depends so it doesnt require you to install iceowl
[08:59] <MechtiIde> If I want to install  iceowl-l10n-de I must also install iceowl
[08:59] <asac> yeah for now
[08:59] <asac> try what i said above
[09:00] <MechtiIde> I'm not a developer, only a user
[09:00] <asac> then you cannot help ;)
[09:00] <asac> file a bug
[09:00] <MechtiIde> I don't understand why you have a "@" in a path
[09:00] <asac> against iceowl-locales
[09:01] <asac> and sunbird-locales
[09:01] <asac> e.g. "please support iceowl-extension"
[09:01] <asac> saivaan will probably take care
[09:01] <MechtiIde> ok I will do it
[09:01] <asac> thanks
[09:04] <MechtiIde> I saw there is already a Bugreport
[09:04] <MechtiIde> #436297
[09:06] <MechtiIde> The other extension I described was enigmail. There it is possible to use the locales from the upstream extension
[09:13] <MechtiIde> asac
[09:13] <MechtiIde> I miss my comment from yesterday to this issue
[09:14] <MechtiIde> The mail you have aswer with the hint to this channel
[09:14] <asac> MechtiIde: enigmail was discussed with others as well
[09:14] <asac> most likely we will drop locale packages completely
[09:14] <asac> and just ship translations in-package
[09:14] <asac> fta: why did you test the .head patch in hardy? hardy is not affected
[09:14] <asac> e.g. hunspell is 1.1
[09:15] <asac> anyway thanks
[09:16] <MechtiIde> How must I address the comment that it is published under the Number #436297
[09:17] <MechtiIde> or do you have the mail adress of saivaan then I can send him a copy
[09:21] <MechtiIde> asac, so what can I do to push it a bit
[09:22] <asac> MechtiIde: as a user there is not much you can do
[09:22] <asac> filing bug and prodding the folks regularly is pretty much what you can do
[09:22] <asac> which you are already doing
[09:22] <MechtiIde> My comment from yesterday I can't see in the Bug description
[09:22] <MechtiIde> so what is wrong
[09:22] <asac> the mail has to go to BUGID@bugs.debian.org
[09:22] <asac> thats all
[09:23] <MechtiIde> and what must I do?
[09:23] <asac> send a mail
[09:23] <MechtiIde> to??
[09:23] <asac> include proper subject (e.g. bug title)
[09:23] <asac> the email address above
[09:23] <asac>  BUGID@bugs.debian.org
[09:24] <MechtiIde> that's what I did
[09:24] <fta_> asac, well, if we can use the .head branch for both a little longer, why not.
[09:25] <asac> MechtiIde: then maybe you got spam filtered ... no idea
[09:26] <asac> fta_: no idea. dont feel good about it. most likely it will be applied for 3.0.1 anyway. so its not really diverged
[09:28] <fta_> here, it doesn't hurt, there's no code change
[09:28] <asac> ill think about it
[09:29] <asac> i already uploaded .hardy 122 to hardy-proposed ... so if we resync then for final
[09:29] <asac> fta_: can you merge .head to .dev?
[09:29] <asac> please rebump time so we get a clear RELEASE commit on dev
[09:30] <asac> or release on .dev and merge that commit to .head
[09:30] <asac> let me know so i can upload xul 1.9 to intrepid :)
[09:31] <asac> i think everything is blocked on that there atm
[09:34] <asac> fta_: ah ... and please cherry pick the Breaks: commit from .hardy branch to .head
[09:35] <asac> fta_: that should be 121
[09:36] <asac> if you find any other app that needs a respin let me know. miro worked here without respinning
[09:40] <asac> liferea works too
[09:52] <asac> darn ... xul 1.9 hardy branch doesnt update on code.launchpad.net
[09:52] <asac> should be 122 not 120
[09:52] <asac> fta_: if you need it, cherry pick 121 through bzr+ssh
[09:52] <asac> i definitly pushed it
[10:12] <armin76> where's rc1!1!1! :D
[10:17] <asac> uploaded :)
  uploaded :) <= what ? where ?
[10:22] <asac> to proposed
[10:22] <asac> intrepid was technically already uploaded ;)
[10:23] <asac> fta_: wanna cherry pick the Breaks commit and merge that as RELEASE to .dev ?
[10:24] <fta2> yep
[10:24] <asac> let me know
[10:24] <asac> fta_: you can rename the last changelog as it was never build
[10:24] <asac> otherwise i have to remember to include the previous one in .changes
[10:24] <asac> :)
[10:26] <asac> fta_: according to launchpad folks the commit is also on http ... the website sync is just broken
[10:26] <asac> cherry pick 122 from .hardy
[10:27] <asac> jimmy_: cwong1: wake up ;)
[10:27] <fta2> i know, code.lp was already broken yesterday. but bazaar.lp is ok, even on ssh
[10:27] <asac> i need to release midbrowser :-P
[10:27] <asac> yep
[10:27] <asac> well ... ssh is naturally ok because that accesses the non-mirrored place
[10:37] <asac> fta_: btw, did you ever come back to the party?
[10:37] <asac> or did you go home right after dinner?
[10:43] <fta2> i've been there for a while. we went to dinner and after that we've visited the TV tower with the babies
[10:53] <asac> fta_: he? you went to dinner right when we arrived, didn't you?
[10:54] <asac> at least reed did iirc
[10:54] <fta2> i shoud have said little while, i'm not fond of that kind of places anymore
[10:55] <fta2> but i understand people like that :)
[10:56] <fta2> saturday, the weather was great, at last
[11:15] <asac> fta_: well... the band was cool
[13:06] <asac> bug #231410
[13:14] <fta2> asac, xul.head already has Breaks: epiphany-gecko (<< 2.22.1.1-0ubuntu1.8.04.1)
[13:15] <asac> fta2: yes, but 122 adds more
[13:15] <asac> just try merge -c 122
[13:16] <asac> bug 215728
[13:19] <fta2> hm, it's already merged.
[13:19] <fta2> xul.head #263 => 263: Alexander Sack 2008-05-22 * pull 'RELEASE 1.9~rc1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 to ubuntu/intrepid' from
[13:23] <asac> fta2: its merged yes.
[13:23] <asac> fta2: the idea is that you add a new release
[13:23] <asac> ubuntu2
[13:23] <fta2> but i already have thatr
[13:24] <fta2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14769/
[13:25] <fta2> should I just close ubuntu2 and merge into .dev ?
[13:25] <fta2> unless you have something to add
[13:26] <asac> fta2: you dont have the Breaks: ?
[13:26] <asac> from .hardy
[13:26] <asac> thats what i asked for
[13:26] <asac> thats 122 on .hardy branch
[13:26] <asac> lunch now
[13:35] <fta2> oh, from *.hardy ! I checked from *.dev
[13:45] <fta2> bug 233922
[13:51] <fta2> asac, done. xul dev and head
[13:51] <fta2> feel free to push xul.dev (124) to intrepid
[14:26] <asac> yup
[14:28] <asac> fta2: you dropped the breaks changelog changes?
[14:28] <asac> wanna readd them in rc1?
[14:28] <asac>   * 1.9b5 to 1.9rc1 upgrade Breaks: epiphany-gecko (<< 2.22.1.1-0ubuntu1.8.04.1)
[14:28] <asac>     - update debian/control
[14:28] <asac> thats the line i added it too on .hardy
[14:29] <fta2> did i ? i don't think so. epiphany-gecko is in rc1 ubuntu1, yelp and the rest in ubuntu2
[14:30] <asac> ok
[14:30] <asac> keep the credits :-P
[14:30] <asac> jk
[14:30] <fta2> oh, sorry, i mentioned cherry pick
[14:31] <fta2> for once i used dch
[14:31] <asac> yeah ... one can still give credits in cherry pick changelog entries ;)
[14:31] <asac> i dont mind though
[14:32] <asac> building
[14:35] <asac> ok uploaded
[14:40] <asac> fta2: is bug 209607 reproducible for you?
[14:45] <asac> Bug 223357
[14:46] <asac> bug 220504
[15:04] <asac> fta2: do we have the right cairo hardy-proposed?
[15:12] <armin76> bumb cairo!
[15:16] <asac> armin76: you obviously have too much time ... wait
[15:16] <asac> you are using gentoo :-P
[15:27] <fta2> i've merged cairo 2 weeks ago for intrepid, without the band-aid
[15:28] <fta2> but i need to work a bit more to fix ftbfs for some arches
[15:28] <asac> ok
[15:28] <fta2> why do you want cairo hardy-proposed? 1.6.0 is not good enough ?
[15:28] <asac> i talked about hardy though
[15:28] <asac> fta2: we should use the version mozilla ships for final
[15:28] <asac> otherwise we will see rendering bugs that upstream doesnt see
[15:29] <asac> at least we should look what bugs were fixed since 1.6.0
[15:29] <fta2> changes are minimal
[15:30] <asac> yeah. we should review them to be sure
[15:31] <asac> bug #215016
[15:47] <armin76> fails on hppa :P
[15:47] <fta2> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14717619/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-hppa.xulrunner-1.9_1.9~rc1%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:48] <fta2> armin76, do you have a fix ?
[15:48]  * armin76 blames asac 
[15:48] <armin76> nope
[15:48] <asac> fta2: look at mikes package
[15:48] <asac> he might have a patch
[15:48] <asac> though not in a patch system
[15:48] <armin76> its the same error as always, warnings being treated as errors :)
[15:49] <asac> but most you can probably diff the appropriate hppa xpcom files
[15:49] <asac> armin76: yeah right
[15:49] <asac> but why is that only on hppa? is that 64 bit?
[15:50] <armin76> because hppa is picky like sparc
[15:50] <armin76> sparc will fail on the same way
[15:50] <asac> good
[15:50] <asac> well if its an alignment issue its good to fail i'd say
[15:51] <armin76> gimme a patch and i'll test, i have no clue how to fix that :P
[15:57] <asac>   // The internal storage
[15:57] <asac>   char mAutoBuf[sizeof(Impl) + (kAutoBufSize - 1) * sizeof(void*)];
[15:57] <asac> i dont understand why this is calced that way
[16:02] <armin76> hrm...
[16:03] <armin76> it could be related that you're using -Os?
[16:03] <armin76> because i wasn't able to reproduce it, but i'll try again
[16:03] <fta2> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-firefox-3-rc1-in-ubuntu-hardy.html
[16:04] <armin76> woot, sparc compiled :D
[16:10] <asac> fta2: does he patch our package?
[16:11] <asac> fta2: If so we have to ask him to remove his packages immediately. He is certainly not allowed to distribute that with official marks
[16:12] <fta2> no, he just explains how to add my ppa to sources.list
[16:13] <asac> thats not good either
[16:13] <asac> he tells them to add the ~adnarim thing
[16:14] <fta2> hm, i guess adnarim has nothing to do with that, it seems to me it's there for other purposes (unrelated to the post)
[16:14] <fta2> yep: https://edge.launchpad.net/~adnarim/+archive
[16:15] <asac> still he appears to trick the users to use that archive
[16:24] <fta2> done
[16:27] <asac> huh?
[16:28] <asac> whats done?
[16:28] <armin76> bumbed!
[16:28] <fta2> i've asked that guy to either hide/blur adnarim or to redo the screenshots
[16:29] <asac> fta2: he should use ~mozillateam for this release
[16:29] <asac> otherwise people will ride the lighning
[16:29] <asac> i posted that in comments too ... but awaits moderation
[16:29] <armin76> why ppl don't upgrade to gutsy
[16:29] <armin76> ?
[16:29] <fta2> oh, ok, i don't mind
[16:30] <asac> armin76: no idea ... feisty is like fawn
[17:19] <fta2> armin76, upgrade to gutsy ? you mean downgrade ? or what?
[17:29] <fta2> asac, are you sure your yelp << 2.22.1-0ubuntu2.8.04.1 is correct ??? intrepid has 2.22.1-0ubuntu2.. you should have used 2.22.1-0ubuntu2~8.04.1
[17:30] <fta2> hardy-* should always be lower than intrepid
[17:31] <asac> fta2: no intrepid has ubuntu3 now
[17:31] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/yelp/2.22.1-0ubuntu3
[17:32] <asac> last hardy upload was ubuntu2
[17:32] <asac> 2.8.04.1 is the correct SRU version
[17:32] <fta2> hm
[17:32] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/
[17:33] <fta2> ok
[17:33] <armin76> fta2: guess i meant upgrade to hardy :P
[21:02] <sebner> fta: I now also have a testcase :)
[21:02] <fta> sebner, ok
[21:02] <sebner> fta: http://-kol.deviantart.com/
[21:04] <fta> hm, apparently, the dns seems to accept that, while according to RFC 2396, it does not seems to be valid
[21:04] <sebner> fta: a user found this issue and asked me to ask one of you (seems to occur with every browser on linux but he said it's fixable in the /etc/hosts)
[21:05] <sebner> fta: but he told me it's working on windows and mac with the broswers
[21:06] <fta> even with firefox (win and mac) ?
[21:07] <sebner> fta: he told me, yes. So it seems its not a bug in firefox but an issue with linux
[21:08] <fta> i can see firefox doing the dns lookup, it's just fine
[21:09] <sebner> fta: I will ask him what he has done in the /etc/hosts to fix this
[21:16] <sebner> fta: RC1 is pretty fast. nice job =)
[21:17] <fta> well, it's mostly upstream work :)
[21:17] <sebner> fta: sure but the packaging is apparently not that easy ;)
[21:17] <fta> indeed
[21:18] <sebner> asac: also congratz to you :)
[21:20] <fta> i can't find a related bug in bugzilla for this http://-foo
[21:20] <sebner> fta: as I said. may be a linux issue
[21:22] <fta> even so, upstream doesn't seem to be aware of it
[21:24] <fta> sebner, do we have a bug on lp for that ? if not, could you please file one ?
[21:25] <sebner> fta: I could but I'm not really sure if this is a real bug, maybe it's a security feature on linux. dunno
[21:25] <fta> i don't think so. try: host -a -- -kol.deviantart.com
[21:26] <fta> in a shell
[21:27] <sebner> fta: hmm. then it's the question if this URL is valid
[21:28] <Jazzva> fta: Remember that assembler assignment I had for school? I had been doing it for the most part of the last week and it's done. Now I did some beautification of code, although it's not so pretty yet. But it's working well :)...
[21:28] <Jazzva> (now i finished last code checking and preparing the report on it for tomorrow)
[21:29] <fta> sebner, URI are defined in RFC 2396
[21:29] <fta> Jazzva, i read your blog :)
[21:29] <sebner> fta: so?
[21:29] <Jazzva> fta: You do? Didn't know that :)...
[21:30] <fta> Jazzva, yes, read your post about that, excellent
[21:31] <fta> sebner, quick read yesterday, i was convinced it's invalid
[21:31] <sebner> but?
[21:31] <Jazzva> fta: Thanks :)... I suppose I'll get maximum points on it. I don't think I missed something. Ok, back to report :)
[21:36] <fta> sebner, http://paste.ubuntu.com/14888/
[21:36] <fta> sebner, i've pointed 2 lines
[21:37] <fta> 34 and 35
[21:37] <sebner> so it's allowed
[21:37] <fta> no, it has to start with alpha or alphanum
[21:38] <fta> and end to
[21:38] <fta> the "-" is not allowed in 1st or last positions
[21:38] <sebner> ok
[21:38] <sebner> then it's not a bug
[21:39] <fta> I'd say DNS permits it, URI doesn't
[21:39] <fta> but that's just my interpretation
[21:42] <sebner> fta: so linux(/etc/hosts) is so strict and windows/mac not?
[21:42] <Volans> Hi all :)
[21:44] <fta>  /etc/hosts is used by the resolver, hence it's DNS rules. browser are parsing URIs, then they do a DNS lookup. here, it seems ff is doing the "-foo" lookup and it receives the correct answer, then it displays an error. Have to look at the code
[21:45] <sebner> fta: but I was told that it occurs on every browser on linux and fixable through /etc/hosts
[21:47] <fta> i'd be curious to know how. if it's just -foo => foo then http://foo, it only works without virtual hosts
[21:47] <sebner> fta: I'll tell you tomorrow but this solution seems to be the only one
[21:49] <fta> ok
[21:49] <fta> i just don't understand why someone would want a hostname like that but well, why not.
[21:50] <sebner> fta: dunno ^^ but it's working on windows so maybe people expect it to work also on linux but now is the question if we want that
[21:55] <fta> hm, annex B doesn't match annex A
[21:55] <fta> fta@ix:~ $ perl -e '$_ = "http://-kol.deviantart.com/"; m,^(([^:/?#]+):)?(//([^/?#]*))?([^?#]*)(\?([^#]*))?(#(.*))?,; print $4."\n";'
[21:55] <fta> -kol.deviantart.com
[21:55] <fta> that RFC is bogus ;)
[21:56] <sebner> fta: Sry I'm a total n00b in these things. what does this mean?
[21:58] <fta> the BNF (grammar) wants the hostname part of the URI to both start and end with an alphanum, while the regexp in annex B allows it to contain anything anywhere except '/', '?' and '#'
[21:59] <fta> most likely the regexp is wrong (ie too simple)
[21:59] <fta> i'm referring to http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2396.html
[22:00] <sebner> fta: ah, k. so no bug =)
[22:01] <fta> asac, what do you think of this ? ^^
[22:01] <sebner> fta: we should inform microsoft and apple :P
[22:29] <fta> mozilla bug 355181
[22:30] <sebner> fta: ahhh!! so what does this mean? ^^
[22:31] <fta> donno yet, reading code
[22:34] <sebner> fta: I mean the bug report. It's about this issue
[22:35] <fta> yes, the code is doing something like the regexp above, ie just looking at allowed chars, no particular order
[22:36] <sebner> fta: how similar is the firefox linux code compared to the firefox windows code?
[22:36] <fta> that part should be almost identical, if not entirely
[22:37] <sebner> I still don't understand why it's working on windows then
[22:48] <fta> seems we end up there: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/docshell/base/nsWebShell.cpp#1179
[22:51] <sebner> fta: DisplayError. ok. but why not on win?
[22:52] <fta> i don't know, yet
[22:52] <fta> it's late, i'll investigate later
[22:55] <sebner> fta: thanks for your interest =)
[23:04] <Volans> night :)
[23:15] <sebner> gn8 folks