| DanaG | Random: http://www.driverheaven.net/insideati/index.htm | 05:27 |
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| Cimi | kwwii, ping | 18:15 |
| kwwii | Cimi: pong | 19:16 |
| kwwii | Cimi: I'm cooking my son dinner but will be checking irc every now and then | 19:17 |
| Cimi | the murrine code is quite complete, I mean it could not be so complicated to get something similar to your mockups with transparency. The problem is that Gtk+ requires a patch to globally set a RGBA colormap, to enable transparency (and with transparency rounded menus and so on). | 19:33 |
| Cimi | actually a guy is working on this, but I don't think we could get a patch for gtk before its freeze (one month). | 19:33 |
| Cimi | I'm searching for a coder, maybe you know someone who can help us for the intrepid look | 19:34 |
| kwwii | Cimi: wow, cool....with intrepid we can play a lot more with the code and probably include more last minute ideas...if we don't get rgba in in time, I guess there is little we can do about that | 20:14 |
| kwwii | Cimi: have you talked to macslow about the rgba stuff? | 20:14 |
| Cimi | just a bit | 20:14 |
| kwwii | I imagine he might be able to help (or perhaps njpatel) | 20:14 |
| Cimi | he seems to be busy with gdm | 20:15 |
| kwwii | yeah, I can imagine | 20:15 |
| kwwii | and niel is busy doing mobile stuff | 20:15 |
| kwwii | maybe I should talk to seb and vincent and see what they think | 20:15 |
| Cimi | if we can't propose the patches in time (july) we won't have something for intrepid | 20:15 |
| Cimi | actually the problem is with the gtkstatusicons | 20:16 |
| Cimi | because the current freedektop specification doesn't consider the possibility to use a RGBA colormap | 20:16 |
| Cimi | and gtk, which is following this patch, will fail trough a Xorg Badmatch | 20:17 |
| kwwii | ouch | 20:17 |
| Cimi | so we should need to fix this, then few minor things | 20:17 |
| Cimi | if someone like njpatel or mirco could work on this | 20:17 |
| kwwii | I think we need to contract someone to take care of this stuff but it is really hard for me to convince mark without showing him something first | 20:18 |
| Cimi | I think there no reason to doubt that we will reach to patch gtk in time | 20:18 |
| Cimi | It's not something that require a contract | 20:18 |
| Cimi | imho | 20:18 |
| kwwii | well, if it were up to me I would throw money at you to code all the crack I can think up :p | 20:19 |
| kwwii | lol | 20:19 |
| Cimi | should not be difficult to do | 20:19 |
| Cimi | lol | 20:19 |
| kwwii | I'll send mirco, niel and yourself an email opening up this discussion, maybe one of them can find some time | 20:19 |
| Cimi | I can't for sure | 20:20 |
| Cimi | neil and mirco are already payed | 20:21 |
| Cimi | so they can work on it, isn't it? | 20:21 |
| kwwii | yeah, the main problem is that they are both working on projects which mark wants to see in intrepid so I am not sure how much time they will have | 20:21 |
| kwwii | I might be able to talk niel into it even though he is not on the desktop team | 20:22 |
| kwwii | he might do it in his spare time | 20:22 |
| kwwii | I am putting a dark murrine theme together now and will put it in intrepid in a day or two | 20:23 |
| kwwii | so maybe I can show that to mark, even as a mockup of it using transparency and convince him | 20:23 |
| Cimi | kwwii, start using murrine from svn for your tests | 20:24 |
| Cimi | I will make a development release in the middle of august | 20:24 |
| kwwii | Cimi: which svn is it in? | 20:24 |
| kwwii | and is there any instructions on building it or is it straight forward? | 20:24 |
| kwwii | hrm, google doesn't seem to be much help in finding the svn | 20:25 |
| Cimi | svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/murrine/trunk murrine && cd murrine && ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr && sudo make install | 20:25 |
| Cimi | it will overwrite your murrine installation, uninstall the ubuntu deb | 20:26 |
| kwwii | cool, thanks for the help | 20:27 |
| Cimi | kwwii, gnome-system-monitor should be transparent | 20:29 |
| Cimi | btw use of transparency highly depends on the blur effect of compiz | 20:30 |
| Cimi | without it, transparency is unusable | 20:30 |
| Cimi | there are a lot of new things in murrine which you might like | 20:31 |
| Cimi | one is custom gradients for buttons and other widgets | 20:31 |
| Cimi | gradients ={ 1,0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0 } will define a flat theme for example | 20:31 |
| kwwii | is there any info on tweaking the new stuff? | 20:32 |
| Cimi | not actually | 20:33 |
| Cimi | and maybe I will change few names... | 20:33 |
| Cimi | btw the code explains better | 20:33 |
| kwwii | hehe, use the code luke :-) | 20:34 |
| giusef | hi all | 20:50 |
| giusef | kwwii: I was working on that RGBA patch for GTK+ that Cimi told you before | 20:51 |
| giusef | we had a bad issue with GtkStatusIcon, which seems won't work with RGBA colormaps | 20:52 |
| giusef | the main problem is that | 20:52 |
| giusef | forcing GtkStatusIcon with a RGBA colormap just to try, we had a small, not embedded, window with the tray icon inside | 20:53 |
| kwwii | giusef: hrm, not that much of a hacker really | 20:56 |
| kwwii | giusef: if you want to be part of the conversation around this at ubuntu, send me an email | 20:56 |
| Cimi | kwwii, at the moment he is the guy that knows better than everyone else the issues | 20:58 |
| kwwii | giusef: do you have any idea of what we would need to do to get it working right? | 21:06 |
| giusef | kwwii: not really, atm | 21:11 |
| kwwii | giusef: hrm, so how could I help you to get this stuff done (other than learn C)? | 21:18 |
| kwwii | :-) | 21:18 |
| giusef | lol | 21:18 |
| Cimi | kwwii, maybe helping him contacting other devs | 21:19 |
| kwwii | giusef, Cimi: right, I think that we should start off by having a discussion between anyone and everyone who has an idea of what needs to be done | 21:21 |
| kwwii | giusef: my email is kwwii at ubuntu dot com, can you send me an email so I have your address? | 21:21 |
| giusef | sure | 21:21 |
| kwwii | cool, thanks | 21:22 |
| andreasn | Cimi: was this issue brought up on gtk-devel list? | 21:36 |
| Cimi | don't think so | 21:37 |
| Cimi | you should ask giusef | 21:37 |
| giusef | kwwii: sent | 21:37 |
| andreasn | giusef: did you send any e-mail about this to gtk-devel-list? | 21:37 |
| giusef | no, I was thinking about that | 21:38 |
| andreasn | I think it would be a good idea, someone should probably be able to give you hints on how to get around your problems | 21:39 |
| giusef | yeah | 21:40 |
| giusef | I go to write | 21:40 |
| andreasn | rockn! | 21:41 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, speaking of rgba: the wallpaper settings (through Nautilus) should allow RGBA. | 22:31 |
| DanaG | That'd let people use semitransparent backgrounds, or wholly transparent backgrounds. | 22:31 |
| giusef | why a trasparent background? | 22:37 |
| DanaG | It'd let me do things like having a transparent window into my compiz cube. | 22:38 |
| DanaG | Or have a cool only-halfway-there side to the cube. | 22:38 |
| Cimi | oh ugly and useless | 22:38 |
| DanaG | No, it'd also let people use the different-wallpaper-per-side plugin. | 22:39 |
| DanaG | That'd just need a 100% transparent wallpaper. | 22:39 |
| DanaG | er, color. | 22:39 |
| DanaG | It's only ugly if you use ugly images for it, | 22:39 |
| DanaG | . | 22:39 |
| darkmatter | the cube is useless for anything other than a 'wow' effect. imho the default view should be a 2x2 arrangement on a plane, not only does it offer more functionality, but it makes more sense | 22:49 |
| Cimi | mmm | 22:50 |
| Cimi | I'm for the 1x4 | 22:50 |
| darkmatter | well, either way. all the desktops should be viewable on switch | 22:51 |
| darkmatter | the reason I prefer 2x2 is less mouse travel | 22:51 |
| DanaG | I like cube, myself. | 23:05 |
| DanaG | Plus, it's amusing having fish inside it. | 23:05 |
| Cimi | -.- | 23:05 |
| Cimi | maybe we have a different ideas about what is a desktop | 23:06 |
| DanaG | Yeah, I know I'm a bit silly sometimes. | 23:06 |
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