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nixternalapachelogger: is cmake 2.6 a tad bit faster to you?00:17
apacheloggerinstall of kdebase certainly is00:18
* yuriy tries synaptic again and wonders why people would want to use it over adept, lack of error handling and all00:18
mhbyuriy: they are used to it?00:19
nixternalapt-get rules them all!00:19
apachelogger<3 apt-get00:22
* jtechidna has to use a GUI whenever an update needs to install new packages00:22
DreadKnightshaman soon ftw i hope! xD00:25
DreadKnightjtechidna: me too... stupid bug i guess00:25
seeleScottK: what's this i hear about hillary talking about assasination during the campaign?00:52
seeleScottK: all the media is talking mccain and obama.. hillary is no where to be found00:52
seeleScottK: i guess this means you're voting for mccain, eh?00:52
nixternalhope I got everything kdelibs :)01:04
nixternalman, alot of new stuff01:04
yuriyhi seele01:10
yuriyi'm wondering about the package install progress display stuff01:11
mhbyuriy: please don't make it any complex than a simple progress bar is01:11
mhbyuriy: just installing... and a progress bar, that's all the user needs to know before he panics :o)01:12
nosrednaekimthe one in the apept is way too complicated.01:12
nosrednaekim*adept01:12
yuriymhb: that's what i'd like to do...01:12
seeleyuriy: hallo01:13
yuriyseele: remember the discussion and screenshots? did you get my answers to your questions?01:14
seeleyuriy: probably not, wasn't that a few days ago?01:14
yuriyyeah01:14
seelei probably don't have it in my buffer anymore either01:14
yuriy< seele> yuriy: some of this may repeat what you discussed earlier01:15
yuriy04:19 < seele> yuriy: are there only two progress bars?01:15
yuriy04:19 < seele> yuriy: and can you cancel during reading package lists?01:15
yuriy< yuriy> seele: on the download part there is one total download progress bar and another one above it that appears and disappears (yuck) per download. on the other 2 screens it's just the one progress bar in the center, but it resets a couple times01:15
yuriy12:20 < yuriy> seele: on the last stage (where you see "reading package lists" in the screenshots, that text changes) you can't cancel01:15
yuriy12:21 < yuriy> and tbh I don't know what the two buttons on the middle screen are supposed to be01:15
seeleyeah.. i would say they could be the same progress bar in the same location, but disabling or removing the cancel button during the reading package lists process would be weird01:16
seeleif reading package lists didn't take so long, i would say we could maybe just fake it and if someone clicks cancel, you just cancel once the reading is done01:17
seelebut it can take more than a few seconds01:17
yuriyseele: that's the last step. it's just finishing up doing a little work, you can't cancel because everything is done01:18
yuriyseele: my question is first of all, if there's one progress bar for everything, what's the verdict on not so great approximations?01:19
yuriyor is it better to reset it for the different stages01:19
seelei dont think approximations matter if there is obvious progress01:21
seelefor example, if it is a two stage installation process, even if the first stage takes longer than the second stage, i think it would be acceptable to have the first stage end at 50%01:21
seeleor whatever makes the most sense (i just picked 50%)01:22
seelethe important information would be how many packages out of total are complete.. that is more accurate than guessing something like time01:22
yuriyseele: hmm, ok, i was thinking that too, but mornfall didn't agree. i'll ask him about it again when he's around01:22
seeleyuriy: i dont think it matters if it isnt accurate as long as it is reasonable01:23
seeleyuriy: so if you have 30 updates, maybe the first stage would be 1/31 instead of 1/201:23
yuriythen the issue of other progress details01:23
yuriy14:54 < yuriy> well, what i was actually imagining is hiding things behind a translucent overlay with an overall progress bar,and a button to move the overlay out of the way which would send the progress bar to the bottom01:23
seelebut you would still only keep track of the number of packages, and provide 1/30 packages, 2/30 packages, etc01:23
seelehmm.. i'm not sure what that means01:24
seeleyou mean animating a layer that has more information when the user requests it?01:24
yuriysort of.  display whatever details there are on screen at all times, but have a progressbar in the middle of the screen displaying the overall progress, and the background faded. then a button to animate the progress bar away01:27
yuriyso kind of the reverse of what you said01:27
yuriyseele: i started working on it, it would look something like this: http://www.yktech.us/temp/adept5.png01:28
seeleyuriy: i see three progress bars?  or am i missing the point without animation?01:34
yuriyseele: see how the bottom ones are greyed out? they are part of what I mean by "details"01:35
yuriycancel buttom would have to be moved of course01:36
yuriyand that 0% should be something like 11% but it's not working yet01:36
seelehmm01:40
yuriythis is just an idea I had. very open to other ideas to improve on the jumping around progress01:40
ScottKseele: Dunno.  IIRC it's statistically extraordinarily improbably that Hillary could win and has been for some time.  If she's starting to be ignored, I'm not suprised.  She's not really news anymore.01:52
ScottKI haven't heard anything about assassination.01:52
ScottKOh, wait.  I did.01:52
ScottKShe just said something awkward and then the media made a mountain out of a molehill.01:53
* ScottK remembers now.01:53
seeleyeah02:12
nixternaljeesh, kdelibs still building02:27
jtechidnadamn, them ppa servers be sloooow02:31
nixternalmore like my laptop be sloooow :)02:31
jtechidnaah, I see. ;)02:32
jtechidnaSysinfo for 'jonathan-desktop': Linux 2.6.24-17-generic running KDE 3.5.9, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.50GHz at 2500 MHz (5004 bogomips), , RAM: 615/622MB, 125 proc's, 14.25h up02:32
jtechidnalolwut, I'm running 4.0.402:32
nixternalare you using konversation?02:32
jtechidnaOh, but with KDE3 konversation..,02:32
nixternalthere you go02:33
jtechidnaIf that's one app that I wish they'd hurry up and port, Konversation would be it02:33
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* vorian waves03:30
* santiago-ve waves back03:36
nixternalhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7khI7hwdlI04:22
nixternalabsolutely brilliant!04:22
Daskreech2The Buntu Family theater?04:26
Daskreech2lil Ed?04:26
Daskreech2Haha ha ha04:27
Daskreech2The little slovian boy?04:28
nixternalthat is classic stuff04:28
Daskreech2Yep the Riding Mousemascot to save garbage heaps04:30
Daskreech2You were descended from the great king Debian!04:30
Daskreech2Are we still maintaining a edubuntu-kde-desktop04:39
Daskreech2nixternal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9Qu3iP3RYA04:52
Daskreech2nixternal: It was an albanian boy04:53
nixternalDaskreech2: do me a favor, never post something that wastes 2 minutes of my life :)05:23
Daskreech2nixternal: It's the same voice as Kubuntu05:42
flaccidwhen changing resolution by user in kcontrol/system settings. where does it save these settings to? ie. not xorg.conf, the user file - eg. user has diff resolution?05:57
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hungerAre those login themes part of kdm or is there some additional software needed to display them?13:46
nosrednaekim!kdmtheme13:47
ubottuTo customize your !KDM theme, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu - However, see http://subtrnl.homelinux.com/kdmtheme.html for working around bug #132723 (http://tinyurl.com/2prhgc)13:47
Riddellhunger: I've not looked at what kde4 kdm can do13:49
hungernosrednaekim: Thanks for the links!13:49
hungerRiddell: I'm currently looking at kde3.13:50
hungernosrednaekim: Unfortunately that page seems outdated. It refers to debs that no longer exist:-(13:51
hungerWho does render the kdm theme? kdm itself or krootimage or what?13:55
\shkwwii: dude...friday on your mind...when are you coming to berlin?14:25
kwwii\sh: I will be arriving thursday evening14:28
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asacanyone running kde 3: do you have /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.jpg ?15:31
asacor /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.png15:32
asac?15:32
seele.jpg15:32
Riddellasac: in hardy it's /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.jpg15:37
Riddellprevious releases had .png15:37
asacRiddell: looking at 20361515:38
asacthe function bails out if no background is used ...15:38
asacerr, no background is found15:38
Riddellhmm, didn't I fix that?15:39
asacnot sure ... the bug is open, isn't it? ... in code it still returns15:39
asacRiddell: idea was something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15329/15:40
asacif you say that this is not the problem, I will just go ahead :)15:40
asacto the next bug15:40
asachttp://paste.ubuntu.com/15331/15:41
asacRiddell: like that ^^15:41
Riddellasac: that seems sensible15:42
asacgood ... ill clean it up and test and attach debdiff and so on then15:42
nixternalhrmm, I am having an issue with the stinking ppa uploading kdelibs15:51
nixternalmd5sum issue, which I don't get seeing as the version I am uploading is totally different than anything in the PPA15:51
Riddellnixternal: which package?15:55
nixternalkdelibs15:56
Riddellnixternal: what version?  to hardy?  ~kubuntu-members-kde4 ?15:57
Riddellkde4libs?15:57
nixternalkde4libs_4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 to ~kubuntu-members-kde415:58
nixternalRiddell: also with kde4libs in Intrepid, I noticed 2 files weren't listed in the .install files16:00
nixternalcan't remember off hand which ones they were either...they weren't listed in not-installed either16:01
nixternalRiddell, ScottK, Hobbsee, crimsun: you all should have received an email from me over this weekend concerning core-dev...any responses would be appreciated...thanks :)16:06
Riddellnixternal: it's probably using the kde4libs .orig file from intrepid16:09
nixternalI didn't grab the .dsc and stuff for intrepid to build this package16:10
Riddellright, so maybe you should :)16:10
Riddellat least the .orig16:10
nixternalhrmm, good point16:10
* nixternal does that now16:10
Riddellcore-dev, excellent, will reply soon16:10
nixternalthank you sir16:11
bobesponjanixternal: are there 4.1 beta packages for hardy on ppa? :)16:11
nixternalworking on that now, but no they aren't there yet16:12
nixternaljust now uploading kde4libs16:12
nixternalkde4pimlibs and kde4base are next16:12
nixternalkde4libs took a few hours to finalize yesterday, that's for sure16:12
bobesponjanixternal: cool, thanks for the good work, I supposed it'll be announced on kubuntu.org when it's ready16:13
Riddellkdepimlibs and kdebase-runtime16:13
nixternalbobesponja: there and my blog I am sure16:13
bobesponjaok thanks16:13
nixternalRiddell: by kde4base I mean kde4base* :)16:13
asacRiddell: ok suggeted fix pushed to a bug branch and attached to that bug. further requested merging to oem-config trunk16:14
Riddellasac: anything I need to do?16:15
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nixternalRiddell: groovy, kde4libs uploaded and building :) thanks!16:19
nixternaldidn't realize that the PPAs were that cranky with md5sums located in the Ubuntu repos16:19
OculusAquilaehi16:20
nixternalhowdy OculusAquilae16:21
OculusAquilaeAre there KDE 4.1 beta1 packages coming?16:21
nixternalOculusAquilae: working on them now16:22
asacRiddell: not sure ;) maybe review the code i produced and ack that its sensible to have it in bug report16:22
asacif you are sure its fine, merge my branch into trunk.16:23
asaci didn't want to commit there as its not my realm :)16:23
OculusAquilaecool16:23
OculusAquilaeWhat about LTSP. Is Kubuntu able to show up a window, when some media is inserted in the Thin Client in version 8.04.16:36
OculusAquilaeWe have tested version 7.1016:37
nixternalOculusAquilae: don't know about KDE 4 and LTSP, I haven't tested it at all really16:39
nixternaldon't see why it wouldn't16:39
yuriyOculusAquilae: and did it work with 7.10?16:39
OculusAquilaenixternal: I think of KDE316:39
yuriythere's this spec: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltsp-kde16:39
nixternalyuriy: ya, LTSP + Kubuntu works16:39
yuriymight be good to start a wiki page for it with a checklist16:39
OculusAquilaeand this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltspfs-virtual-hal-devices I know16:39
nixternalwe just need to port some of the gtk tools to qt16:39
nixternalthere was another issue with it, but I can't think of what it was16:40
OculusAquilaeLTSP work wonderful, sound usw16:40
OculusAquilaelocal devices are mounted on /media/$USER, but they are not shown in dolphins device section16:41
nixternaldo they show up in Konqueror though? I can't remember16:41
OculusAquilaeI don't think so, the are only mounted, and in gnome, the gnomevfs does the showing :)16:42
OculusAquilaeit's not working with hal16:43
nixternalahh, ya that's right16:43
OculusAquilaeI really havn't tested 8.04, so I don't know if it's better now16:43
OculusAquilaeI am working on a test system for a 15 thin client system in a school16:44
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yuriymornfall: ping16:57
nosrednaekimnixternal: yay! go nixternal!17:18
* jpds wonders what nosrednaekim's cheering about17:25
mornfallyuriy: Pong.17:25
nosrednaekimjpds: 4.1 packages :)17:26
jpdsnosrednaekim: oh, right.17:30
OculusAquilaenosrednaekim: where?17:31
nosrednaekimnixternal is workin on them17:31
OculusAquilaeah17:32
Riddellso.. Kubuntu Tutorials Day anyone?17:34
* Riddell eyes up nixternal 17:34
* Riddell looks at seele 17:35
yuriymornfall: 18:30 < yuriy> mornfall: hi. feature idea: hilight (in something other than the selection color) the next item in the sidebar th17:43
yuriyat the user will likely want. i.e. when the actionlist is not empty, hilight preview17:43
yuriys/th\nat/that17:43
mornfallyuriy: Right, I have considered that.17:44
mornfallI am currently not quite sure about the sidebar visual changes you have made though.17:44
mornfallWith my color scheme it looks rather worse than it used to (I use the default yellowish one).17:45
yuriythen also I was thinking of how to keep history when browsing dependencies in the detail view (once we have those...).  I don't remember if we've discussed this already, but how about a breadcrumb?17:45
yuriymornfall: i didn't change colors. I only took away the frame and made rounded corners17:46
mornfallYes, what I mean is that with my color scheme it looks odd at best now.17:46
yuriyhmm17:47
yuriywell, you don't have to use that i guess. i thought it looked a little better17:47
mornfallIt might if the color of selection would match whatever is to the right of sidebar, I guess.17:47
mornfallWhich is not the case though.17:48
mornfall(That's how it's done in kickoff IIRC.)17:48
yuriyyes, it is. I wasn't sure about doing that, i actually don't like how there's not enough contrast that way17:49
yuriyright now both the sidebar and the window use pretty much the same color (at least with the default oxygen color scheme) so that wouldn't work at all17:49
* txwikinger amazed how troubleless the kubuntu hardy upgrade on his laptop worked17:51
yuriymornfall: default yellowish == honeycomb?17:54
yuriymornfall: i see how it looks a little odd, without the frame i guess17:54
nosrednaekimtxwikinger: yeah.... hardy was a smooooth upgrade17:59
mornfallbrb (trying suspend to encrypted swap...)17:59
txwikingernosrednaekim: Yeah.. very good work everybody !!!18:00
nosrednaekimnixternal: hehehe.... got a build system notification ^_^18:01
mornfallyuriy: Yes, probably honeycomb.18:03
mornfall(Resume didn't quite work... decrypted swap, hasn't found the resume image... uswsusp gotta be borked.)18:03
nixternalnosrednaekim: silly kspell_aspell stuff in .install packages18:11
nixternaluploading fix now18:11
nosrednaekimnixternal: are they installing to /opt?18:13
yuriymornfall: so what about a breadcrumb for details view history?18:13
yuriyhistory would only be kept when looking at details for other packages through the package relationships view and cleared when selecting another package in the search view18:14
mornfallyuriy: -ENOTIME : - )18:14
mornfallbrb (uswsusp debugging....)18:17
nixternalnosrednaekim: installing to the same place they always have for Hardy18:31
nosrednaekimso they will over write 4.0.4?18:32
nosrednaekim!neon18:51
ubottuFactoid neon not found18:51
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nixternalhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu19:08
nixternalhow does that look?19:08
Riddellwhoa19:08
nixternalwhile packages are building, I thought about redoing our wiki pages19:09
nosrednaekimgreat.... course I don't know anything about wiki pages and how they SHOULD look :P19:09
nixternalI gently lifted the idea from the Xubuntu page :)19:09
nixternalI think the main body of the front page though I will change19:09
awen_nixternal: cool ... looks very organized19:09
mhbevening guys19:13
mhbhow much would you hate me if I said perhaps this late packaging sometimes has a negative effect on Kubuntu? :o)19:14
mhbwhat I admire is that SUSErs always have that Live CD ready19:14
mhbthen again, I do want to replace you all with programs, so disregard me.19:15
Tm_Tmmmmgh, I need to learn launchpad and bzr, any good readings?19:15
mhbTm_T: all I needed w.r.t. bzr was the beginners guide on bazaar-vcs.org19:15
Tm_Thmmm19:16
Tm_Tlemmesee19:16
awen_ScottK: be sure to ping me if you have any comments about http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu18.debdiff that i need to fix!19:18
Riddellmhb: it is a notable issue19:19
Riddellit's very frustrating being blocked on main inclusion stuff19:19
awen_Tm_T: if you have used svn (or the like) and aren't afraid of playing around you'll lear bzr prette quick :)19:19
Tm_Tawen_: heh, svn is familiar, thanks :)19:21
mhbRiddell: ah, right. That again.19:30
Riddellmhb: (and also we've been at a conference last week, plus suse have someone working full time on packaging)19:30
mhbwe also do have one!19:30
Riddellyeah but nixternal has classes sometimes :)19:31
yuriynixternal: nice job on the wiki. though the top menu could be improved (I like the look of our LoCo one) and the front page needs some text19:33
yuriyand the join us line should have kubuntu logos instead of ubuntu19:33
nixternalRiddell: no more classes for me, at least for a little while :)19:34
mhbRiddell: no more absinth for you until we all have our packages!19:34
nixternalahh, just got what you said there Riddell :)19:34
mhbnosrednaekim: so you are a punk guy? :o)19:38
nosrednaekimmhb: haha... nope19:53
nosrednaekimmhb: I just did that to freak people out :P19:53
mhbI assumed so.19:54
bdgrauenixternal: the kubuntu-de.org team want to make an announcment right in time, together with kubuntu.org for the kde 4.1 beta release. i have a few questions about it. who is the right person to speak with?19:57
Riddellbdgraue: nixternal19:58
Riddellbut no time yet19:58
bdgraueok, i'll wait19:59
Riddellbdgraue: it'll be a day or two at least20:00
bdgraueRiddell: one of my questions is, which theme we will will use, so i can make some screenshots for the announcement, would be nice to tell someone from kubuntu-de.org at least a few hours before the announcement at kubuntu.org20:02
nixternalozone20:02
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bdgrauenixternal: thx20:02
smarterI still don't understand why they forked oxygen20:03
nixternalsmarter: oxygen + color schemes was the main reason, but ya I don't understand forking and not fixing20:03
Riddellbdgraue: just the defaults for now20:05
Riddellwhich seems to be ozone with blue window borders20:05
RiddellI believe it's back to matching borders in trunk now, which is better20:05
nosrednaekimsmarter: becuase the oxygen people disn't want to change it...20:05
bdgraueso i'll make some screenshots from trunk default with the 3 lines in the decoration, this is the right one?20:06
Riddellhello20:06
Riddelli love cats20:07
nosrednaekimRiddell: I'd ask for them to ban you as a troll if you didn't have that all-powerful nick :P20:08
seeleRiddell: who do we send expenses to?  Claire or Jorge?20:44
seeleor you?20:44
seeleRiddell: and cats suck20:44
jpdsseele: (by what I was told: Claire)20:56
seelejpds: thanks20:56
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Riddellseele: claire21:23
seeleRiddell: rgr21:24
Tm_Tkids kids21:24
* seele coughs21:25
seelei picked up the uds bug :P21:25
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Riddellrdieter_away: don't forget! :)21:27
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nosrednaekimmhb: heck yeah you have a volunteer :P23:04
nixternalRiddell: should akonadi-kde be installed to /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/ or /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/ ?23:23
nixternalakonadi-kde's CMakeLists.txt file has it going to ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/apps/akonadi-kde ...and if it needs to go into ....kde4/share/kde4/apps, then I need to patch that23:24

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