[00:17] apachelogger: is cmake 2.6 a tad bit faster to you? [00:18] install of kdebase certainly is [00:18] * yuriy tries synaptic again and wonders why people would want to use it over adept, lack of error handling and all [00:19] yuriy: they are used to it? [00:19] apt-get rules them all! [00:22] <3 apt-get [00:22] * jtechidna has to use a GUI whenever an update needs to install new packages [00:25] shaman soon ftw i hope! xD [00:25] jtechidna: me too... stupid bug i guess [00:52] ScottK: what's this i hear about hillary talking about assasination during the campaign? [00:52] ScottK: all the media is talking mccain and obama.. hillary is no where to be found [00:52] ScottK: i guess this means you're voting for mccain, eh? [01:04] hope I got everything kdelibs :) [01:04] man, alot of new stuff [01:10] hi seele [01:11] i'm wondering about the package install progress display stuff [01:11] yuriy: please don't make it any complex than a simple progress bar is [01:12] yuriy: just installing... and a progress bar, that's all the user needs to know before he panics :o) [01:12] the one in the apept is way too complicated. [01:12] *adept [01:12] mhb: that's what i'd like to do... [01:13] yuriy: hallo [01:14] seele: remember the discussion and screenshots? did you get my answers to your questions? [01:14] yuriy: probably not, wasn't that a few days ago? [01:14] yeah [01:14] i probably don't have it in my buffer anymore either [01:15] < seele> yuriy: some of this may repeat what you discussed earlier [01:15] 04:19 < seele> yuriy: are there only two progress bars? [01:15] 04:19 < seele> yuriy: and can you cancel during reading package lists? [01:15] < yuriy> seele: on the download part there is one total download progress bar and another one above it that appears and disappears (yuck) per download. on the other 2 screens it's just the one progress bar in the center, but it resets a couple times [01:15] 12:20 < yuriy> seele: on the last stage (where you see "reading package lists" in the screenshots, that text changes) you can't cancel [01:15] 12:21 < yuriy> and tbh I don't know what the two buttons on the middle screen are supposed to be [01:16] yeah.. i would say they could be the same progress bar in the same location, but disabling or removing the cancel button during the reading package lists process would be weird [01:17] if reading package lists didn't take so long, i would say we could maybe just fake it and if someone clicks cancel, you just cancel once the reading is done [01:17] but it can take more than a few seconds [01:18] seele: that's the last step. it's just finishing up doing a little work, you can't cancel because everything is done [01:19] seele: my question is first of all, if there's one progress bar for everything, what's the verdict on not so great approximations? [01:19] or is it better to reset it for the different stages [01:21] i dont think approximations matter if there is obvious progress [01:21] for example, if it is a two stage installation process, even if the first stage takes longer than the second stage, i think it would be acceptable to have the first stage end at 50% [01:22] or whatever makes the most sense (i just picked 50%) [01:22] the important information would be how many packages out of total are complete.. that is more accurate than guessing something like time [01:22] seele: hmm, ok, i was thinking that too, but mornfall didn't agree. i'll ask him about it again when he's around [01:23] yuriy: i dont think it matters if it isnt accurate as long as it is reasonable [01:23] yuriy: so if you have 30 updates, maybe the first stage would be 1/31 instead of 1/2 [01:23] then the issue of other progress details [01:23] 14:54 < yuriy> well, what i was actually imagining is hiding things behind a translucent overlay with an overall progress bar,and a button to move the overlay out of the way which would send the progress bar to the bottom [01:23] but you would still only keep track of the number of packages, and provide 1/30 packages, 2/30 packages, etc [01:24] hmm.. i'm not sure what that means [01:24] you mean animating a layer that has more information when the user requests it? [01:27] sort of. display whatever details there are on screen at all times, but have a progressbar in the middle of the screen displaying the overall progress, and the background faded. then a button to animate the progress bar away [01:27] so kind of the reverse of what you said [01:28] seele: i started working on it, it would look something like this: http://www.yktech.us/temp/adept5.png [01:34] yuriy: i see three progress bars? or am i missing the point without animation? [01:35] seele: see how the bottom ones are greyed out? they are part of what I mean by "details" [01:36] cancel buttom would have to be moved of course [01:36] and that 0% should be something like 11% but it's not working yet [01:40] hmm [01:40] this is just an idea I had. very open to other ideas to improve on the jumping around progress [01:52] seele: Dunno. IIRC it's statistically extraordinarily improbably that Hillary could win and has been for some time. If she's starting to be ignored, I'm not suprised. She's not really news anymore. [01:52] I haven't heard anything about assassination. [01:52] Oh, wait. I did. [01:53] She just said something awkward and then the media made a mountain out of a molehill. [01:53] * ScottK remembers now. [02:12] yeah [02:27] jeesh, kdelibs still building [02:31] damn, them ppa servers be sloooow [02:31] more like my laptop be sloooow :) [02:32] ah, I see. ;) [02:32] Sysinfo for 'jonathan-desktop': Linux 2.6.24-17-generic running KDE 3.5.9, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.50GHz at 2500 MHz (5004 bogomips), , RAM: 615/622MB, 125 proc's, 14.25h up [02:32] lolwut, I'm running 4.0.4 [02:32] are you using konversation? [02:32] Oh, but with KDE3 konversation.., [02:33] there you go [02:33] If that's one app that I wish they'd hurry up and port, Konversation would be it === dax_ is now known as Knightlust [03:30] * vorian waves [03:36] * santiago-ve waves back [04:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7khI7hwdlI [04:22] absolutely brilliant! [04:26] The Buntu Family theater? [04:26] lil Ed? [04:27] Haha ha ha [04:28] The little slovian boy? [04:28] that is classic stuff [04:30] Yep the Riding Mousemascot to save garbage heaps [04:30] You were descended from the great king Debian! [04:39] Are we still maintaining a edubuntu-kde-desktop [04:52] nixternal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9Qu3iP3RYA [04:53] nixternal: It was an albanian boy [05:23] Daskreech2: do me a favor, never post something that wastes 2 minutes of my life :) [05:42] nixternal: It's the same voice as Kubuntu [05:57] when changing resolution by user in kcontrol/system settings. where does it save these settings to? ie. not xorg.conf, the user file - eg. user has diff resolution? === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_away === davmor2_away is now known as davmor2 === hunger_t is now known as hunger === jtchidna is now known as JontheEchidna === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [13:46] Are those login themes part of kdm or is there some additional software needed to display them? [13:47] !kdmtheme [13:47] To customize your !KDM theme, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu - However, see http://subtrnl.homelinux.com/kdmtheme.html for working around bug #132723 (http://tinyurl.com/2prhgc) [13:49] hunger: I've not looked at what kde4 kdm can do [13:49] nosrednaekim: Thanks for the links! [13:50] Riddell: I'm currently looking at kde3. [13:51] nosrednaekim: Unfortunately that page seems outdated. It refers to debs that no longer exist:-( [13:55] Who does render the kdm theme? kdm itself or krootimage or what? [14:25] <\sh> kwwii: dude...friday on your mind...when are you coming to berlin? [14:28] \sh: I will be arriving thursday evening === smarter_ is now known as smarter [15:31] anyone running kde 3: do you have /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.jpg ? [15:32] or /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.png [15:32] ? [15:32] .jpg [15:37] asac: in hardy it's /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.jpg [15:37] previous releases had .png [15:38] Riddell: looking at 203615 [15:38] the function bails out if no background is used ... [15:38] err, no background is found [15:39] hmm, didn't I fix that? [15:39] not sure ... the bug is open, isn't it? ... in code it still returns [15:40] Riddell: idea was something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15329/ [15:40] if you say that this is not the problem, I will just go ahead :) [15:40] to the next bug [15:41] http://paste.ubuntu.com/15331/ [15:41] Riddell: like that ^^ [15:42] asac: that seems sensible [15:42] good ... ill clean it up and test and attach debdiff and so on then [15:51] hrmm, I am having an issue with the stinking ppa uploading kdelibs [15:51] md5sum issue, which I don't get seeing as the version I am uploading is totally different than anything in the PPA [15:55] nixternal: which package? [15:56] kdelibs [15:57] nixternal: what version? to hardy? ~kubuntu-members-kde4 ? [15:57] kde4libs? [15:58] kde4libs_4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 to ~kubuntu-members-kde4 [16:00] Riddell: also with kde4libs in Intrepid, I noticed 2 files weren't listed in the .install files [16:01] can't remember off hand which ones they were either...they weren't listed in not-installed either [16:06] Riddell, ScottK, Hobbsee, crimsun: you all should have received an email from me over this weekend concerning core-dev...any responses would be appreciated...thanks :) [16:09] nixternal: it's probably using the kde4libs .orig file from intrepid [16:10] I didn't grab the .dsc and stuff for intrepid to build this package [16:10] right, so maybe you should :) [16:10] at least the .orig [16:10] hrmm, good point [16:10] * nixternal does that now [16:10] core-dev, excellent, will reply soon [16:11] thank you sir [16:11] nixternal: are there 4.1 beta packages for hardy on ppa? :) [16:12] working on that now, but no they aren't there yet [16:12] just now uploading kde4libs [16:12] kde4pimlibs and kde4base are next [16:12] kde4libs took a few hours to finalize yesterday, that's for sure [16:13] nixternal: cool, thanks for the good work, I supposed it'll be announced on kubuntu.org when it's ready [16:13] kdepimlibs and kdebase-runtime [16:13] bobesponja: there and my blog I am sure [16:13] ok thanks [16:13] Riddell: by kde4base I mean kde4base* :) [16:14] Riddell: ok suggeted fix pushed to a bug branch and attached to that bug. further requested merging to oem-config trunk [16:15] asac: anything I need to do? === bastian_ is now known as OculusAquilae [16:19] Riddell: groovy, kde4libs uploaded and building :) thanks! [16:19] didn't realize that the PPAs were that cranky with md5sums located in the Ubuntu repos [16:20] hi [16:21] howdy OculusAquilae [16:21] Are there KDE 4.1 beta1 packages coming? [16:22] OculusAquilae: working on them now [16:22] Riddell: not sure ;) maybe review the code i produced and ack that its sensible to have it in bug report [16:23] if you are sure its fine, merge my branch into trunk. [16:23] i didn't want to commit there as its not my realm :) [16:23] cool [16:36] What about LTSP. Is Kubuntu able to show up a window, when some media is inserted in the Thin Client in version 8.04. [16:37] We have tested version 7.10 [16:39] OculusAquilae: don't know about KDE 4 and LTSP, I haven't tested it at all really [16:39] don't see why it wouldn't [16:39] OculusAquilae: and did it work with 7.10? [16:39] nixternal: I think of KDE3 [16:39] there's this spec: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltsp-kde [16:39] yuriy: ya, LTSP + Kubuntu works [16:39] might be good to start a wiki page for it with a checklist [16:39] and this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltspfs-virtual-hal-devices I know [16:39] we just need to port some of the gtk tools to qt [16:40] there was another issue with it, but I can't think of what it was [16:40] LTSP work wonderful, sound usw [16:41] local devices are mounted on /media/$USER, but they are not shown in dolphins device section [16:41] do they show up in Konqueror though? I can't remember [16:42] I don't think so, the are only mounted, and in gnome, the gnomevfs does the showing :) [16:43] it's not working with hal [16:43] ahh, ya that's right [16:43] I really havn't tested 8.04, so I don't know if it's better now [16:44] I am working on a test system for a 15 thin client system in a school === asac_ is now known as asac [16:57] mornfall: ping [17:18] nixternal: yay! go nixternal! [17:25] * jpds wonders what nosrednaekim's cheering about [17:25] yuriy: Pong. [17:26] jpds: 4.1 packages :) [17:30] nosrednaekim: oh, right. [17:31] nosrednaekim: where? [17:31] nixternal is workin on them [17:32] ah [17:34] so.. Kubuntu Tutorials Day anyone? [17:34] * Riddell eyes up nixternal [17:35] * Riddell looks at seele [17:43] mornfall: 18:30 < yuriy> mornfall: hi. feature idea: hilight (in something other than the selection color) the next item in the sidebar th [17:43] at the user will likely want. i.e. when the actionlist is not empty, hilight preview [17:43] s/th\nat/that [17:44] yuriy: Right, I have considered that. [17:44] I am currently not quite sure about the sidebar visual changes you have made though. [17:45] With my color scheme it looks rather worse than it used to (I use the default yellowish one). [17:45] then also I was thinking of how to keep history when browsing dependencies in the detail view (once we have those...). I don't remember if we've discussed this already, but how about a breadcrumb? [17:46] mornfall: i didn't change colors. I only took away the frame and made rounded corners [17:46] Yes, what I mean is that with my color scheme it looks odd at best now. [17:47] hmm [17:47] well, you don't have to use that i guess. i thought it looked a little better [17:47] It might if the color of selection would match whatever is to the right of sidebar, I guess. [17:48] Which is not the case though. [17:48] (That's how it's done in kickoff IIRC.) [17:49] yes, it is. I wasn't sure about doing that, i actually don't like how there's not enough contrast that way [17:49] right now both the sidebar and the window use pretty much the same color (at least with the default oxygen color scheme) so that wouldn't work at all [17:51] * txwikinger amazed how troubleless the kubuntu hardy upgrade on his laptop worked [17:54] mornfall: default yellowish == honeycomb? [17:54] mornfall: i see how it looks a little odd, without the frame i guess [17:59] txwikinger: yeah.... hardy was a smooooth upgrade [17:59] brb (trying suspend to encrypted swap...) [18:00] nosrednaekim: Yeah.. very good work everybody !!! [18:01] nixternal: hehehe.... got a build system notification ^_^ [18:03] yuriy: Yes, probably honeycomb. [18:03] (Resume didn't quite work... decrypted swap, hasn't found the resume image... uswsusp gotta be borked.) [18:11] nosrednaekim: silly kspell_aspell stuff in .install packages [18:11] uploading fix now [18:13] nixternal: are they installing to /opt? [18:13] mornfall: so what about a breadcrumb for details view history? [18:14] history would only be kept when looking at details for other packages through the package relationships view and cleared when selecting another package in the search view [18:14] yuriy: -ENOTIME : - ) [18:17] brb (uswsusp debugging....) [18:31] nosrednaekim: installing to the same place they always have for Hardy [18:32] so they will over write 4.0.4? [18:51] !neon [18:51] Factoid neon not found === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away [19:08] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu [19:08] how does that look? [19:08] whoa [19:09] while packages are building, I thought about redoing our wiki pages [19:09] great.... course I don't know anything about wiki pages and how they SHOULD look :P [19:09] I gently lifted the idea from the Xubuntu page :) [19:09] I think the main body of the front page though I will change [19:09] nixternal: cool ... looks very organized [19:13] evening guys [19:14] how much would you hate me if I said perhaps this late packaging sometimes has a negative effect on Kubuntu? :o) [19:14] what I admire is that SUSErs always have that Live CD ready [19:15] then again, I do want to replace you all with programs, so disregard me. [19:15] mmmmgh, I need to learn launchpad and bzr, any good readings? [19:15] Tm_T: all I needed w.r.t. bzr was the beginners guide on bazaar-vcs.org [19:16] hmmm [19:16] lemmesee [19:18] ScottK: be sure to ping me if you have any comments about http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu18.debdiff that i need to fix! [19:19] mhb: it is a notable issue [19:19] it's very frustrating being blocked on main inclusion stuff [19:19] Tm_T: if you have used svn (or the like) and aren't afraid of playing around you'll lear bzr prette quick :) [19:21] awen_: heh, svn is familiar, thanks :) [19:30] Riddell: ah, right. That again. [19:30] mhb: (and also we've been at a conference last week, plus suse have someone working full time on packaging) [19:30] we also do have one! [19:31] yeah but nixternal has classes sometimes :) [19:33] nixternal: nice job on the wiki. though the top menu could be improved (I like the look of our LoCo one) and the front page needs some text [19:33] and the join us line should have kubuntu logos instead of ubuntu [19:34] Riddell: no more classes for me, at least for a little while :) [19:34] Riddell: no more absinth for you until we all have our packages! [19:34] ahh, just got what you said there Riddell :) [19:38] nosrednaekim: so you are a punk guy? :o) [19:53] mhb: haha... nope [19:53] mhb: I just did that to freak people out :P [19:54] I assumed so. [19:57] nixternal: the kubuntu-de.org team want to make an announcment right in time, together with kubuntu.org for the kde 4.1 beta release. i have a few questions about it. who is the right person to speak with? [19:58] bdgraue: nixternal [19:58] but no time yet [19:59] ok, i'll wait [20:00] bdgraue: it'll be a day or two at least [20:02] Riddell: one of my questions is, which theme we will will use, so i can make some screenshots for the announcement, would be nice to tell someone from kubuntu-de.org at least a few hours before the announcement at kubuntu.org [20:02] ozone === smarter_ is now known as smarter [20:02] nixternal: thx [20:03] I still don't understand why they forked oxygen [20:03] smarter: oxygen + color schemes was the main reason, but ya I don't understand forking and not fixing [20:05] bdgraue: just the defaults for now [20:05] which seems to be ozone with blue window borders [20:05] I believe it's back to matching borders in trunk now, which is better [20:05] smarter: becuase the oxygen people disn't want to change it... [20:06] so i'll make some screenshots from trunk default with the 3 lines in the decoration, this is the right one? [20:06] hello [20:07] i love cats [20:08] Riddell: I'd ask for them to ban you as a troll if you didn't have that all-powerful nick :P [20:44] Riddell: who do we send expenses to? Claire or Jorge? [20:44] or you? [20:44] Riddell: and cats suck [20:56] seele: (by what I was told: Claire) [20:56] jpds: thanks === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter === uga_ is now known as uga [21:23] seele: claire [21:24] Riddell: rgr [21:24] kids kids [21:25] * seele coughs [21:25] i picked up the uds bug :P === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away [21:27] rdieter_away: don't forget! :) === nielsslot_ is now known as nielsslot === uga is now known as uga|away === ScottK-uds is now known as ScottK2 [23:04] mhb: heck yeah you have a volunteer :P [23:23] Riddell: should akonadi-kde be installed to /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/ or /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/ ? [23:24] akonadi-kde's CMakeLists.txt file has it going to ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/apps/akonadi-kde ...and if it needs to go into ....kde4/share/kde4/apps, then I need to patch that