[18:47] <smallfoot-> check out the most awesomeness mockup for colored themes in ubuntu http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/317/coloredthemeyz9.png and if you like that, then vote for it http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9190/
[20:27]  * thorwil waves to nand 
[20:27]  * nand waves back
[20:27] <nand> still no luck :(
[20:28] <thorwil> wonder what they are doing all day
[20:28] <nand> Well, there was the UDS, it is a valid excuse :)
[20:28] <thorwil> nand: got anything out of the UDS for brainstorm/yourself?
[20:29] <nand> considering brainstorm, the main wanted thing is an easy way for dev to cherry pick the "feasible" ideas
[20:29]  * nand is still thinking on how to do it
[20:30] <nand> and basically it was agreed that feedback to brainstorm is important
[20:30] <nand> and we'll try to make ubuntu devs more involved in brainstorm, e.g. via the blog
[20:31] <nand> thorwil: btw, any hint on the status of http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/384/ ?
[20:32] <nand> I'd like to put some kind of update on this one, or better, ask kwwii to put some comments here
[20:33] <thorwil> nand: i don't think you should put out a bait like "Get your artwork on 10 million desktops"
[20:34] <thorwil> that wouldn't be fair
[20:34] <nand> thorwil: I'm not responsible for the idea content :) But AFAIK, this was discussed and more or less agreed, right?
[20:34] <nand> (the deviant art competition part)
[20:35] <nand> see attached blueprint
[20:35] <thorwil> nand: if it was discussed, i didn't follow it :/
[20:35] <_MMA_> There's no reason it couldn't happen. Just needs someone to manage it. With the knowledge it won't be default.
[20:36] <thorwil> _MMA_ last statement is _very_ important
[20:37] <thorwil> oh, blueprint contains: "The winner will be decided by Mark Shuttleworth in August"
[20:38] <nand> the fact is, I don't know if this has really started, or not
[20:39] <_MMA_> thorwil: Just because the blueprint says it, doesnt make it official. Anyone can write one.
[20:40] <thorwil> _MMA_: i know. it stands and falls with Mark's involvment
[20:40] <_MMA_> thorwil: I would wadger Mark only cares about default and space willing, Ken can put in the winner.
[20:46]  * _MMA_ notices the .tar.lzma archives are unknown and are missing a icon. kwwii: We should get that fixed.
[21:06] <smallfoot-> http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6933/rainbowzz5.png
[21:56] <smallfoot-> http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5295/steelif5.png
[22:09] <cody-somerville> Heya art folks! :)
[22:09] <cody-somerville> Can someone please create some launchpad branding for the Ubuntu News team?
[22:19] <_MMA_> cody-somerville: Talk to thorwil tomorrow.
[22:19] <_MMA_> He's good with things like this.
[22:19] <smallfoot-> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9190/ <-- check out cool idea
[23:28] <kwwii> _MMA_: still around?
[23:29] <_MMA_> kwwii: Kinda. Makin' burgers.
[23:37] <Cimi> smallfoot-, please, stop it
[23:38] <smallfoot-> :(
[23:38] <_MMA_> Cimi: Be nice. He's done nothing wrong.
[23:38] <smallfoot-> its art-related idea kinda
[23:39] <Cimi> _MMA_, spamming since 5 hours
[23:39] <_MMA_> It's spammy but not off-topic.
[23:39] <Cimi> smallfoot-, we already read 4 times
[23:39] <Cimi> and I agree with you, and I like your colors
[23:39] <Cimi> but please stop spamming
[23:39] <Cimi> also
[23:40] <Cimi> gnome 2.26 will support color schemes
[23:40] <Cimi> something selectable trough a combobox etc etc
[23:40] <kwwii> _MMA_: ein guten appetit
[23:40] <kwwii> enjoy your meal
[23:40] <_MMA_> kwwii: PM if needed.
[23:41] <kwwii> Cimi: it seems like something decent has come out of the email, eh?
[23:41] <Cimi> kwwii, if this will become code well
[23:41] <Cimi> otherwise words are totally useless
[23:41] <smallfoot-> Cimi, awesome, but when is 2.26 come?
[23:41] <Cimi> smallfoot-, march 2009
[23:42] <kwwii> Cimi: I think it just might happen...I am putting in a theme with the current svn snapshot asap
[23:42] <smallfoot-> oh
[23:42] <smallfoot-> is long time
[23:43] <Cimi> smallfoot-, we are currently working on muuuuch better things that you will enjoy much more than your (positive) idea
[23:43] <kwwii> Cimi: we should probably talk about how to handle bug reports soon :-)
[23:43] <Cimi> kwwii, as I said
[23:43] <Cimi> my idea is not to provide it as the default theme
[23:43] <Cimi> but installing
[23:43] <smallfoot-> Cimi, oh cool, like what?
[23:44] <Cimi> smallfoot-, you'll know when something will be out from our hats
[23:44]  * Cimi hatttrick ;)
[23:44] <smallfoot-> oh
[23:46] <kwwii> Cimi: I think it is so early that we can try it out
[23:46] <Cimi> kwwii, what do you mean?
[23:46] <kwwii> do things go horribly wrong if it doesn't work?
[23:47] <kwwii> including a the murrine snapshot
[23:47] <Cimi> kwwii, if neil/mirco will wrote a working patch for the systemtray
[23:48] <Cimi> we won't have many issues
[23:48] <Cimi> mainly broken applications are abiword/gnumeric (can be easily fixed)
[23:48] <kwwii> for now the panel's are still opaque anyway
[23:48] <Cimi> maybe (dont know) openoffice
[23:48] <kwwii> right, people can report bugs
[23:48] <kwwii> not many people are running intrepid yet
[23:48] <Cimi> the problem is that from times to times
[23:49] <kwwii> OOo seems to work find
[23:49] <kwwii> fine
[23:49] <Cimi> developer did assume RGB as default
[23:49] <Cimi> making things that are not compatible
[23:49] <kwwii> execpt the page background seems to be the input box color
[23:49] <kwwii> right
[23:49] <kwwii> it will come up
[23:49] <Cimi> for example
[23:49] <kwwii> and we will see how we can fix it
[23:49] <Cimi> abiword is incorrectly using a cairo function to clear the background
[23:49] <kwwii> but if we don't try now we will never get further
[23:50] <Cimi> this means that if you have a RGBA colormap
[23:50] <Cimi> the abiword window (page) will become totally transparent (cleared)
[23:50] <Cimi> same thing is happening for gnumeric
[23:51] <Cimi> btw all we need to do is to patch 1-2 lines of code
[23:51] <Cimi> :)
[23:51] <Cimi> using cairo_source instead clear
[23:51] <Cimi> easy
[23:51] <kwwii> so we will have to patch apps that have a problem with gtk-wide transparency
[23:51] <Cimi> not just us
[23:52] <Cimi> it is a bug of the applications
[23:52] <Cimi> they wrote bad code
[23:52] <kwwii> Cimi: btw, I will probably be bugging you about gtkrc stuff...is there any info on the current options?
[23:52] <Cimi> yeah
[23:52] <Cimi> there's a xml
[23:52] <Cimi> http://svn.gnome.org/svn/murrine/trunk/schema/murrine.xml.in.in
[23:52] <kwwii> I looked through the stuff on the web and it seemed outdated
[23:53] <Cimi> and the gradient_stops are deprecated
[23:53] <kwwii> erm, so how does that effect gradient drawing?
[23:54] <Cimi> if you want (for example) a metal look
[23:54] <Cimi> just add
[23:54] <Cimi> gradients = { 0.8, 1.0, 1.0, 0.8)
[23:54] <Cimi> could work
[23:54] <Cimi> IIRC
[23:55] <Cimi> > 1 means bright
[23:55] <Cimi> <1 dark
[23:55] <Cimi> from top to bottom
[23:55] <kwwii> right, but I have to understand what each thing does and how it does it
[23:55] <kwwii> or at least which values are possible so that I can test it out until I get it
[23:55] <Cimi> you should ask me
[23:56] <kwwii> hehe, that was exactly my point
[23:56] <Cimi> kwwii, they are explained in that xml
[23:56] <kwwii> :-)
[23:56] <_MMA_> Documentation is good also. ;)
[23:56]  * kwwii looks 
[23:57] <kwwii> wow, that is pretty definitve
[23:57] <Cimi> that xml sucks
[23:58] <Cimi> should be updated
[23:58] <Cimi> but I think all options are in
[23:58] <kwwii> it allows 4 gradient stops, if I read it correctly
[23:58] <Cimi> that is deprecated
[23:59] <Cimi> in favour of
[23:59] <kwwii> so there are no stops allowed?
[23:59] <Cimi> the sintax is different
[23:59] <kwwii> or it is done directly in the gtk xml
[23:59] <Cimi> let me check the code
[23:59] <Cimi> kwwii, that xml is not used in the theme
[23:59] <Cimi> is used for documentation
[23:59] <kwwii> nahhh...don't worry about it now
[23:59] <kwwii> I'll ask once i have a real problem
[23:59] <kwwii> let we play with it first