[06:48] <dholbach> good morning
[08:38] <davmor2> Still no RC release?
[08:39] <StevenK> I'm working on it.
[08:39] <StevenK> I didn't really want to test my test image at 2:00am this morning, so my testing was delayed until I started working.
[08:43] <davmor2> StevenK: Okay cool any ideas how long before it will be on the server?
[08:44] <davmor2> p.s. Xephyr is more accurate now
[08:44] <StevenK> davmor2: Not at this point, sorry.
[08:45] <davmor2> StevenK: Np's I'll carry on testing yesterday image till then can you give me a ping when it's up though please?
[09:19] <davmor2> StevenK: do you a device you could try something on quickly for me please?
[09:20] <StevenK> davmor2: I do, but I'm about to head out for about 15, can I ping you when I get back?
[09:21] <davmor2> StevenK: Np's
[10:03] <teletommy> hi
[10:04] <davmor2> hello
[10:05] <teletommy> i read about ubuntu mobile and wonder how to install it the right way
[10:05] <teletommy> where can i find informations about it? 
[10:05] <teletommy> the wiki doesn't say much about :-(
[10:06] <bpsew> maybe here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/DevelopmentEnvironment
[10:06] <davmor2> teletommy: do you have a device or do you run in vm?
[10:06] <teletommy> not now. i will have a car pc
[10:06] <teletommy> but my first try will be in a vm
[10:08] <davmor2> teletommy: try the mic instructions here then https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/UMEinstall
[10:09] <teletommy> thank you for your help!
[10:09] <teletommy> what stand UME for?
[10:10] <davmor2> Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded 
[10:10] <teletommy> ah :-)
[10:12] <teletommy> do you think it is a good choice for a carpc?
[10:12] <StevenK> davmor2: Where were you after?
[10:14] <davmor2> StevenK: In Office Document Viewer do you get the search window hang.  http://www.davmor2.blueyonder.co.uk/odrerror.png
[10:15] <davmor2> sorry http://www.davmor2.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/odrerror.png
[10:15] <StevenK> davmor2: Not when I ran it on my Menlow earlier
[10:16] <davmor2> StevenK: this might be a xephyr thing that's why I thought I would check.
[10:20] <davmor2> StevenK: also in the root there is a dir called Mydocs but when I downloaded my cv.doc (to test ODR) it dl into root/Documents is this normal?  Why is Mydocs not used?
[10:21] <StevenK> davmor2: Um, no idea about that, sorry
[10:21] <davmor2> I'll bug that then I'll check the settings in the browser dl manager setting too :)
[10:45] <teletommy> davmor2: is it possible to do this usb-pen installation and boot with a normal x86?
[10:46] <davmor2> Pass.  I have no device to try this on.  UME is really meant for specific devices at this stage in the game though.
[10:49] <teletommy> davmor2: which are this specific devices?
[10:50] <davmor2> Samsung Q1U and the menlow platform being created by Intel
[10:52] <teletommy> oh ok. And you think it might not run on a normal x86?
[10:59] <davmor2> StevenK: ^
[11:20] <bpsew> the configure-script from the mobile-basic-flash sources complains about a missing mozilla-gtkmozembeded-embedding package
[11:20] <bpsew> what can i do?
[11:20] <bpsew> is there a source for such a package?
[11:20] <bpsew> or can i disable the check when running configure?
[13:57] <lool> persia: Around?
[13:58] <persia> lool: Mostly
[14:04] <lool> persia: email
[14:04] <lool> persia: We're in the last run before release, and we do miss some bits, so I'm flagging this as URGENT
[14:05] <persia> lool: Right.  I'll upload tonight then.
[14:06] <lool> persia: Ok; if anything gets in the way, please instruct me how to finish :)
[14:06] <persia> lool: It's basically just a backport of the branch being merged.  Probably fastest for me just to do it, rather than explain it.
[14:06] <lool> Ok
[14:07] <lool> Could you also seed it?
[14:07] <lool> StevenK: Which seed are we using now?  Did you move back to the main hardy seed?
[14:07] <persia> lool: Right.  I knew I forgot something.  Which seed?
[14:07] <lool> StevenK: I think cjwatson was ok with it, did you discuss this with him?
[14:08] <StevenK> lool: We didn't.
[14:08] <lool> persia: We used to change the mobile seed in the main bzr branch, ubuntu.hardy in ~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds, but StevenK branched to ~ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu-seeds/mobile.hardy as there was "treb" in the seed which doesn't exist in hardy, but cjwatson said it was fine
[14:09] <persia> OK.  So update-manager-hildon belongs in ﻿~ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu-seeds/mobile.hardy ?
[14:09] <lool> StevenK: Can we change that now?
[14:09] <lool> persia: I think that's what in use right now
[14:09] <StevenK> lool: To the main hardy seed? I'd rather leave it using that one
[14:09]  * persia can't update ﻿~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds, although this oughtn't be a blocker for merge, if merge is otherwise good
[14:09] <lool> StevenK: Why?
[14:09] <bpsew> hello
[14:10] <bpsew> what are the benefits of ubuntu mobile over google's android? why should i use ume?
[14:11] <persia> bpsew: Different targets.  Also, Ubuntu Mobile isn't really available enough to have much marketing material at this point: you'll do better to review the code.
[14:12] <bpsew> i've played with both of them, but i still can't decide, which one fits better
[14:12] <StevenK> lool: Because Colin and I spoke about it, and he was happy with my reasoning
[14:12] <lool> StevenK: Which is?
[14:13] <StevenK> lool: I didn't want to clutter up the main Hardy seed with stuff that isn't in the archive
[14:13] <lool> When I asked the same, he said it was ok
[14:13] <lool> Since we have stuff in universe listed there anyway
[14:13] <persia> As an aside, if we move towards a more differentiated archive, it will be useful to have separate seeds.
[14:14] <StevenK> Colin said he was fine with my reasoning, and to be honest, I'd rather not change it this late.
[14:14] <StevenK> persia: Did you fix that gksu keyboard thing?
[14:15] <persia> StevenK: Only conceptually.  I have the key, but I need to insert the autolauncher call.
[14:15] <persia> Are we supporting any devices that don't have keyboards right now?
[14:17] <lool> StevenK: Ok; let us leave it like that then
[14:32] <lool> Urgh, virtual keyboard doesn't work for me
[14:32] <lool> cgregan: Do you have a test case for the virtual keyboard?  Could you try to run it?
[14:34] <cgregan> lool: sure
[14:37] <cgregan> lool: Virt Keyboard works on mccaslin 20080527
[14:37] <lool> cgregan: In which app do you test it?
[14:38] <cgregan> browser
[14:41] <lool> cgregan: Ah, I'm just stupid; it steals focus when lanching, that was the issue lalala
[14:41] <cgregan> lool: :-)
[16:22] <GrueMaster> StevenK:  Ping - Any eta on RC1?
[16:25] <davidm> GrueMaster, it's in progress but until license issue handled we can't give it to you.
[16:26] <davidm> Don has to get license issue resolved before we can even provide private build. :-(
[16:26] <GrueMaster> ok.  Probably a license that we already own.  Gotta love proprietary crap.
[16:26] <GrueMaster> ready to go otherwise, though?
[16:27] <davidm> GrueMaster, gettting close, it's building now.
[19:00] <cl0s> when i install ubuntu mobile and embedded using xephyr.. is it supposed to look like the screenshots on the site?
[19:00] <cl0s> lol my desktop looks nothing like it and the top bar is buttons some with no text, etc..
[19:12] <persia> cl0s: Which screenshot are you using for comparison?
[19:16] <cl0s> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
[19:17] <cl0s> grid layout im guessing?
[19:17] <cl0s> the desktop is similiar, as far as how its listed, def not as many programs.
[19:17] <persia> cl0s: It ought look something like the topmost screenshot by default.
[19:18] <cl0s> but at the top i dont get the home button, i get the date and time and a blank button all the way on the right..
[19:18] <cl0s> instead of the toolbar*
[19:18] <cl0s> and its like regular gtk gray not that black with a gradient.. i followed the hildon desktop instructions for xephyr..
[19:19] <persia> cl0s: Hmmm...  That doesn't match my experience, but I haven't tried with Xephyr in some time.
[19:19] <cl0s> oh.. how do you have it setup??
[19:20] <persia> cl0s: I run it on a SR8, but I've heard it works well in KVM for those with the right hardware (after tweaking the X drivers).
[19:20] <cl0s> this is for a regular x86, is there a way i can run it in like virtualbox?
[19:20] <cl0s> oo
[19:21] <cl0s> whats SR8?
[19:21] <persia> cl0s: I've not heard of anyone trying with virtualbox, but it might well work.  Just be aware that you may need to manually install an X driver, that touchscreens aren't quite like mice, and that the DPI will be too low.
[19:21] <cl0s> sorry im planning on building a mini-itx system for my car, and i was looking at ubuntu-mobile to see if itd be a good start to build a few apps for..
[19:22] <persia> cl0s: There are a couple other people using Ubuntu Mobile for car-mounted devices, although it will need a fair bit of customisation.
[19:23] <persia> The SR8 is http://www.kohjinsha.com.sg/products/sr.htm (roughly).
[19:23] <cl0s> ahh.. nice
[19:25] <cl0s> yea i'm willing to do some customization, i can do the higher level programming but as far as setting up the os for different systems don't really know where to start if its not a debian type of install, lol
[19:26] <cl0s> i got the basics setup though its probably just i dont have a theme or something, ill try some more when i get home
[19:26] <persia> cl0s: It is a debian-type install.  The standard package management tools work just fine.  You can do the customisation from a VT.
[19:28] <cl0s> sounds good. ill keep messing with it..
[19:29] <persia> cl0s: Good luck.  While the primary goal really isn't Car PCs, please let us know if you find something that might also be useful in a handheld during your investigations.
[19:32] <cl0s> yea whatever I come up with I plan on posting in launchpad, ill be hanging around here while I work on it
[19:32] <cl0s> thanks persia
[22:11] <persia> Right.  On update-manager-hildon, backporting means pulling just about all the changes, except the comments & some of the dropped Dapper upgrade workarounds.
[22:11] <persia> Is there an expected use-case to upgrade to hardy using upgrade-manager within Ubuntu-Mobile?
[23:02]  * persia assumes that any Gutsy Ubuntu-Mobile users will reflash, and uploads the draft intrepid (and more heavily tested) update-manager-hildon to the PPA.
[23:27] <persia> update-manager-hildon uploaded and seeded.  Please test.  I'm especially interested if anything breaks due to a misperceived need to dist-upgrade (it oughtn't)
[23:48] <cl0s-home> i have ubuntu-mobile installed on xephire per the instructions in the wiki but it seems like the theme is missing...
[23:48] <cl0s-home> can i just apt-get that or something?