[00:03] <squirkey> sorry guys.  I am not getting it to work
[00:06] <thinkmassive> no need to apologize to us :-P
[00:08] <squirkey> here is what I have done: cd to the theme folder, sudo tar -zxvf /home/ward/Desktop/81130-Ubuntu Professional v2.tar.gz
[00:08] <squirkey> And it won't extract
[00:09] <thinkmassive> you have to escape the spaces
[00:10] <squirkey> even though the are in the file name?
[00:10] <thinkmassive> because they are in the filename
[00:10] <thinkmassive> prepend every space with \
[00:10] <thinkmassive> sudo tar -zxvf /home/ward/Desktop/81130-Ubuntu\ Professional\ v2.tar.gz
[00:10] <squirkey> thanks.
[00:11] <squirkey> that worked like a charm
[00:14] <squirkey> I have another question, I thought that this new theme would just show up in the list.  What else do I need to do make it show up?
[00:14] <zoredache> !themes
[00:14] <zoredache> !xfcetheme
[00:17] <squirkey> Sorry, I seemed to get a little happy with the mouse
[02:08] <derferman> i installed xubuntu 8.04 on a thinkpad t23, however, i can't get past boot
[02:08] <derferman> i get to the status bar, and it stops about 15% part of the way
[03:02] <randomblink> Anyone here have a moment to help a COMPLETE Linux newb who just installed Ubuntu 8 Server?
[03:02] <randomblink> I just wanna get a GUI up
[03:11] <randomblink> no love?
[03:14] <Odd-rationale> randomblink: you have a server and want to install a GUI?
[03:29] <randomblink> well
[03:29] <randomblink> I have 8 server installed
[03:30] <randomblink> I just wanna get my wireless card installed
[03:30] <randomblink> I am SO new to Linux that a gui makes the most sense for installing the wireless card
[10:06] <mrynit> how to i find what version of xubuntu i am using?
[10:06] <mrynit> Act: 1
[10:08] <mrynit> 3:#ubuntu
[10:08] <mrynit> :S
[10:17] <Valsum> Hello!
[10:45] <Riot777> hello
[11:14] <Hannz> hello
[11:19] <Hannz> I can't change my screen resolution
[11:19] <Hannz> it's hard to browse the forums or find help elsewhere with this resolution..
[11:22] <TheSheep> Hannz: try running 'sudo displayconfig-gtk' in a terminal
[11:23] <Hannz> TheSheep: uhmm.. that's another problem.. I can't seem to start terminal..
[11:23] <Hannz> TheSheep: everytime i start a terminal, it logs me off to login screen
[11:24] <TheSheep> Hannz: press alt+f2 and type 'xterm'
[11:24] <Hannz> TheSheep: can I start terminal using alt+f2? what's the name of the xubuntu terminal? (it was gnome-terminal at ubuntu)
[11:24] <Hannz> sorry
[11:25] <Hannz> still typing the question then..
[11:25] <Hannz> okay
[11:25] <Hannz> I'm at the terminal
[11:26] <Hannz> the screen and graphics preferences are there
[11:26] <Hannz> trying to change my settings..
[11:31] <Hannz> TheSheep: okay.. at the graphics card tab, it shows that my card is a s3 trio 3d, the driver is s3virge - s3 virge and trio3d cards
[11:32] <Hannz> TheSheep: at the the display tab, my detected display was generic plug n play, which don't have any resolution setting higher than 640x480
[11:36] <Hannz> TheSheep: sorry.. got disconnected..
[11:36] <Hannz> ﻿TheSheep: actually, my display are at least 1024x768.. tried the generic monitor 1024x768 model, but the test failed (i can't see the 15secs confirmation window)
[11:37] <Hannz> TheSheep: or rather, I saw the window at top left corner of my monitor, half outside the view area
[11:38] <Hannz> TheSheep: i can click the keep settings or cancel button, though, just not sure whether i should click on the keep settings button..
[11:39] <TheSheep> Hannz: I'm sorry, I don't really know
[11:40] <Hannz> TheSheep: okay.. thank you.. i'll try to click the keep settings button and see what happens..
[11:41] <Hannz> TheSheep: by the way, while i was working on the displayconfig-gtk, my terminal shows this messages
[11:43] <Hannz> FATAL: Error inserting battery (/lib/modules/2.6.24-17-generic/kernel/drivers/acpi/battery.ko): no such device
[11:44] <Hannz> do i have to worry about that?
[11:44] <TheSheep> Hannz: is that a laptop?
[11:46] <Hannz> TheSheep: nope.. it's an old desktop: P2-233MHz, 160MB RAM, 20GB HDD..
[11:56] <TheSheep> Hannz: then I guess it's normal that it doesn't have a battery
[11:58] <Hannz> TheSheep: i'm currently reading some posts at ubuntuforums.com about this..
[11:58] <Hannz> TheSheep: says that it's harmless though.. might as well ignore it..
[12:07] <Hannz> going to restart
[12:07] <Hannz> TheSheep: thanks again :)
[12:25] <IngerAlHaosului> Can any one help me i have a pc runing windows xp on witch i have installed sun xvm virtualbox, and on the virtual machine i installed xubuntu 8.04,
[12:25] <IngerAlHaosului> i want to sheare files betuin windows and the guest os xubuntu.
[14:23] <Speckal> I have hardy 8.10. I just did the updates from ubuntu repos and it borked my gnome.  right after I login with gdm, my entire screen goes white. I have a mouse cursor, but nothing else.  help please :)
[14:26] <aanderse> hard 8.04; and do you run xubuntu or ubuntu?
[14:26] <Speckal> ubuntu.  I realize i'm telling a bit of a fib being in here.  #ubuntu is much to hectic to get anything done there and I'm up against a deadline :/
[14:27] <aanderse> fair enough
[14:27] <Speckal> and yes, 8.04
[14:27] <aanderse> i'd also recommend #ubuntuforums btw, more traffic than here
[14:27] <aanderse> ok so maybe press ctrl+alt+f1 or f2
[14:27] <aanderse> that will drop you down to a terminal
[14:27] <aanderse> then login
[14:27] <Speckal> yep. I'm there
[14:27] <aanderse> and type startx
[14:27] <aanderse> see what that does
[14:28] <Speckal> X is already running
[14:28] <Speckal> ps ax  I have X, gnome, compiz, even gkrellm
[14:28] <aanderse> so startx gives the same result as logging in
[14:28] <Speckal> no,  "server is already active for display 0"
[14:28] <aanderse> oh
[14:29] <aanderse> well type ps -e | grep *x*
[14:30] <Speckal> anything specific we need from here?  lots of output
[14:30] <aanderse> ok try ps -e | grep x
[14:30] <aanderse> i want you to kill your xserver
[14:30] <aanderse> i forget what it's called though :p
[14:30] <aanderse> and i'm not on a gnu/linux box atm
[14:30] <Speckal> can do
[14:31] <aanderse> like sudo killall X
[14:31] <aanderse> or sudo killall xorg
[14:31] <aanderse> something like that
[14:33] <Speckal> back to gdm (which works just fine, btw)
[14:33] <aanderse> sudo killall gdm
[14:33] <aanderse> heh
[14:34] <Speckal> while I'm here, can I change anything (without login in thru gdm) to disable compiz? My guess is that compiz is the demon here
[14:34] <aanderse> i don't think so, but honestly don't know... i'm not sure how ubuntu configures compiz
[14:34] <aanderse> you could try clicking the "session" button
[14:35] <aanderse> and see if it gives a "gnome-metacity" option
[14:35] <aanderse> but anywho, drop down to a terminal and sudo killall gdm
[14:35] <aanderse> i want to see what happens when you run X from a terminal
[14:36] <Speckal> getting close now... a couple of updates:
[14:37] <Speckal> startx w/o gdm exhibits the same behavior (white screen).   restarting gdm... using "gdm failsafe" option makes gnome work just fine (no white screen)
[14:37] <Speckal> I'm looking for a gui way to disable compiz atm
[14:42] <Speckal> aanderse:  yep. that did it
[14:43] <Speckal> seems that compiz (or "Visual Effects", as ubuntu calls it) was the culprit
[14:43] <aanderse> ah
[14:43] <Speckal> tyvm for help, aanderse :)  made my morning a whole lot less hectic
[14:43] <aanderse> good good
[14:51] <michaelramm> Speckal: I had that after the Kernel update from the weekend (2.6.24-17). I had to press ESC and go back to the -16 kernel
[16:17] <squirkey> I am looking for the wbar.  Anyone know where I can get it and good install instructions?
[16:26] <squirkey> morning thinkmassive
[16:26] <thinkmassive> good morning
[16:27] <squirkey> I want to thank you for your help yesterday with installing tar balls.  I have another question if you are game?
[16:28] <thinkmassive> I'm at work but I'll help when I can
[16:29] <thinkmassive> don't ask to ask, just ask
[16:29] <thinkmassive> there are 60 other people here
[16:30] <squirkey> I am looking for wbar.  I have found a site that has it but no install directions.  I have looked but can't find easy to understand directions.  Do you have exoperience with this?
[16:32] <thinkmassive> haven't heard of it but it looks like there's chatter about it on freshmeat and googlecode
[16:32] <thinkmassive> I'd start there
[16:34] <michaelramm> squirkey: why not AWN or Kiba-Dock?
[16:35] <squirkey> Thanks thinkmassive
[16:36] <squirkey> michaelramm, I see that awn is in the repos.  I can't see to get it running though.
[16:37] <michaelramm> squirkey: explain? I am confused by your last stmt.
[16:37] <squirkey> I used the synaptic package mgr to download and install it.  found it in accessories, clicked it and ran it.  Nothing happened
[16:47] <TheSheep> squirkey: awn requires gnome
[16:48] <TheSheep> squirkey: at least the version that is in the repositories
[16:49] <squirkey> TheSheep, what can I do to get it to run in xubuntu?
[16:49] <TheSheep> squirkey: there is a desktop-agnostic development branch
[16:49] <TheSheep> squirkey: but not sure how advanced the development is
[16:49] <squirkey> what?
[16:50] <TheSheep> last time I checked it required patching and compiling xfwm4
[16:50] <Speckal> michaelramm:  you said you had the white screen problem.  did you try disabling "Visual Effects" (compiz)?
[16:51] <bog4rt> woohoo
[16:51] <michaelramm> no, i saw that earlier. I reverted back to the -16 kernel and was working again
[16:51] <bog4rt> go go gadget stealing k apps and using them in XFCE cause I'm lazy
[18:04] <lenni_-_> hi, is the official powerpc version of xubuntu hardy out yet?
[18:04] <lenni_-_> i can't seem to find it in the release pages
[18:05] <zoredache> I don't believe there is an 'official' version
[18:05] <lenni_-_> there is a "daily build" from april
[18:05] <lenni_-_> but it isn't labelled hardy heron
[18:12] <taza> Does default Xubuntu have any fully compatible ODS viewer without installing extra software?
[18:12] <taza> Installing OO.o isn't an option.
[18:12] <taza> Suggest installing OO.o and you get permanently painted as either a troll or a retard.
[18:13] <taza> (waits for the "why not install OO.o?" in 5...)
[18:13] <taza> Note: I can spare like 10mb, 20 at most for extra software. Got Amarok already.
[18:13] <zoredache> I doubt it is possible to have any 'fully compatible' application
[18:13] <taza> As in, fully viewing ODS documents.
[18:14] <zoredache> fully compatible means feature-identical
[18:14] <taza> It's supposed to be an OSS standard or something, instead I can view my documents with formatting with nothing.
[18:14] <zoredache> at least in my opinion
[18:14] <taza> I did say "ODS viewer"
[18:14] <taza> Not "ODS editor"
[18:15] <aanderse> abiword with plugins is decent... not fully compatible, though
[18:15] <taza> I need formatting. All of it.
[18:15] <aanderse> k
[18:15] <taza> I'm migrating this *confidential* data to html
[18:15] <taza> (so that strips out web-based interfaces)
[18:16] <aanderse> http://opendocumentfellowship.com/odfviewer ?
[18:16] <zoredache> I don't believe anything exists that is 100% or even 90% compatable that isn't OO
[18:17] <taza> Gnumeric has everything but formatting
[18:17] <taza> And seeing a major part of the data is color-coded...
[18:17] <taza> As in entry value in the front, entry type color-coded.
[18:18] <aanderse> :\
[18:19] <taza> Fortunately, apparently I have been wiser than I expected.
[18:19] <taza> An excel '97 file with the exact same data.
[18:20] <taza> It's still like 10 megabytes of data, all text, to be migrated by hand though
[18:20] <taza> *siiigh*
[18:23] <taza> And it's IP data so no recruiting random help.
[18:23] <taza> (Not IP as in Internet Protocol - IP as in Intellectual Property)
[18:24] <zoredache> you mean imaginary property don't you?
[18:24] <aanderse> :)
[18:26] <taza> I do mean intellectual property.
[18:26] <taza> Unreleased works, too.
[18:26] <taza> most of it my intellectual property to boot.
[18:27] <taza> Where I don't agree with the current abuses I do agree with the core concept.
[18:27] <taza> (I don't, btw, care if some college kid copies this without paying me *once* it's released)
[18:30] <taza> (But I'd be highly upset of leaks before it is and someone copying it for money after.)
[18:34] <thinkmassive> taza: is installing only openoffice.org-calc out of the question?
[18:34] <thinkmassive> it's only 15.6MB
[18:35] <thinkmassive> before dependencies
[18:36] <taza> thinkmassive: Before dependencies
[18:37] <aanderse> borrow a laptop from a friend, throw a livecd on it, and get a 1gb usb stick
[18:37] <thinkmassive> well you didn't list all of your installed packages
[18:37] <aanderse> if it's IP then there's money behind it
[18:37] <aanderse> i'm sure you can buy a 1gb usb stick, or rent a laptop ?
[18:38] <taza> aanderse: You know between nothing and nothing.
[18:38] <aanderse> but you raise a good point.... there should be a ods program that can run on xfce...
[18:38] <thinkmassive> taza: maybe you should clarify what it is you're trying to do before knocking down suggestions like that
[18:38] <aanderse> yeah in no way was i insulting you there, i was trying to offer up a suggestion
[18:38] <taza> thinkmassive: "Buy more hardware because you must be rich for doing work on IP"?
[18:39] <aanderse> you're here for help, right?
[18:39] <thinkmassive> a 1gb flash?
[18:39] <thinkmassive> wtf how poor are you
[18:39] <aanderse> a 1gb usb stick is pretty cheap
[18:39] <thinkmassive> apparently you think you have enough of something to act like a prick
[18:39] <taza> Actually I have several flash sticks with enough space.
[18:39] <thinkmassive> so explain what your problem is
[18:39] <taza> I'd have to buy or rent a laptop
[18:39] <TheSheep> tguys, this channel is family friendly
[18:39] <taza> For that.
[18:39] <TheSheep> you can take your name calling somewhere else
[18:40] <TheSheep> taza: the answer to your question is: no
[18:41] <taza> TheSheep: Thanks, gotta just wait 'till I have access to the main server.
[18:41] <thinkmassive> what are you trying to do? present some data?
[18:41] <thinkmassive> you haven't even stated a problem yet
[18:41] <taza> I did ages ago
[18:42] <thinkmassive> you said you want a ods viewer that isn't OOo
[18:42] <taza> Yes, for migrating data that is color coded away from OOo to HTML
[18:42] <thinkmassive> that's not a problem
[18:42] <thinkmassive> why can't you use OOo?
[18:42] <thinkmassive> space?
[18:42] <aanderse> taza: sorry if you thought i was trying to be a prick, just thought maybe you could bororow a laptop from a buddy... my apologies
[18:42] <thinkmassive> you just said you have usb keys
[18:42] <taza> Thank heavens for ignore
[18:42] <thinkmassive> I'm just trying to establish what the real problem is
[18:43] <TheSheep> taza: ods is just zipped xml, you might be able to write a conversion utility
[18:43] <taza> Suggest installing OO.o and you get permanently painted as
[18:43] <taza>                    either a troll or a retard.
[18:43] <taza> TheSheep: I can extract the requisite data from several files
[18:43] <TheSheep> taza: put down your paint
[18:43] <taza> TheSheep: Eh?
[18:43] <thinkmassive> haha ok, one less person I'll help in the future and not a bad thing in my eyes
[18:44] <TheSheep> and turn aaround slowly, so that I can see your hands
[18:44] <taza> ...
[18:44] <taza> I was just copy-pasting what I said earlier
[18:44] <thinkmassive> http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[18:44] <zoredache> taza: it was just as offensive when you said it earlier as it is now
[18:44] <TheSheep> did everyone got their answers already? can we finish this?
[18:45] <taza> zoredache: I don't think it's offensive at all
[18:45] <taza> zoredache: I told a question would instantly get you painted as something because it wouldn't be in the least helpful.
[18:46] <TheSheep> taza: do you need to ask about something more?
[18:46] <zoredache> taza: you effort would have been better spent explaining why openoffice wouldn't work for you
[18:46] <taza> Some help on shell script text variable expansion would be useful
[18:46] <taza> zoredache: That leads to a looong string of stupid questions I've heard before.
[18:46] <TheSheep> !ask
[18:48] <taza> zoredache: "My current hardware has a real problem with non-tmpfs space usage" "Get 500gb SATA harddrive, they're cheap nowadays" "well stop using stupid hardware" "Who thought of that?" "Loan a computer"
[18:48] <aanderse> did everyone think it was silly to suggest borrowing a laptop from a friend and throwing a livecd on it?
[18:48] <taza> Well I did, because you should never expect someone to have a friend with some resources
[18:49] <taza> I mean, if you did that you might take it to the extreme and expect everyone has a friend who knows the answer and they're just being mean asking difficult things on IRC.
[18:49] <TheSheep> taza: it seems like you came here expecting to be attacked
[18:49] <taza> TheSheep: This is an Ubuntu channel.
[18:49] <TheSheep> taza: no, it's #xubuntu
[18:49] <taza> An Ubuntu channel means all channels for all ubuntu derivatives.
[18:50] <taza> I can pretty safely expect people asking questions a million times after I've explained they aren't relevant to the problem.
[18:50] <TheSheep> taza: anyways, you need to aks your question to get an answer, random complaining won't do :)
[18:50] <taza> How do I expand variables in shell for the purposes of cp?
[18:50] <TheSheep> well, you just write $variablename
[18:50] <taza> Basically, I need to expand a variable in a while loop to get the current phrase for a part of a filename
[18:51] <aanderse> taza: did you try an oo.o channels as well yet? someone there may have heard of a similar problem?
[18:51] <thinkmassive> taza: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[18:51] <taza> I need to expand at least five such variables in a single name
[18:51] <taza> aanderse: Please. I dread Ubuntu channels, I don't go near OO.o or wikipedia channels.
[18:52] <taza> There is something about the culture of the followers of such projects that is incompatible with my psyche.
[18:52] <aanderse> taza: oh, sorry... never been on an oo.o channel
[18:53] <taza> TheSheep: I already tried the $variable approach, and it failed. I need $variable$variable2$variable3.extension
[18:55] <zoredache> can you give us an example of a command you are trying to use?
[18:55] <TheSheep> taza: works for me: for i in foo bar baz; do for j in 1 2 4; do echo $i$j; done; done
[18:55] <taza> cp blank.jpg $variable1$variable2divider$variable3.extension
[18:56] <taza> That was supposed to be blank.example but bah
[18:57] <zoredache> you might try ${variable1}${variable2}divider${vairable3}
[18:57] <TheSheep> taza: for i in foo bar baz; do for j in 1 2 4; do echo "$i"divider"$j"; done; done
[18:58] <TheSheep> :)
[18:58] <TheSheep> or what zoredache says
[18:58] <taza> Note: It leaves the divider and either variable 2 or 3 out
[18:58] <taza> $[variable2] $[variable3] worked
[18:58] <taza> Now, how do I include a zero before a less than 10 number there?
[18:59] <taza> Because name1divider1.example works badly when it's supposed to go to eleven.
[18:59] <TheSheep> well, juz write them this way
[19:00] <taza> They're the integer controlling the whileloop
[19:00] <TheSheep> for i in 01, 02, 03...
[19:00] <taza> Me space, ist broke
[19:00] <TheSheep> 01 02 03, sorry
[19:00] <TheSheep> they are just strings
[19:01] <zoredache> you might have to do it as two steps   one step to use printf to get the padded name
[19:01] <zoredache> blah=`printf '%04d\n' '23'`
[19:01] <taza> Would defining $variable4 and $variable5 as "0" if the value is under 10 and "" if it's over 9 work?
[19:02] <taza> Also "Gah I haven't done any bash scripting in a year and I completely forgot it"
[19:02] <zoredache> so  printf '%02d' '3'   would return '03''`
[19:07] <taza> Would definining a variable as "" work when including it in a string?
[19:07] <taza> As in, trying to fetch that variable returning nothing, resulting in no change?
[19:18] <taza> Apparently it works. w00t
[19:24] <taza> Also, horrible hack
[19:24] <taza> How glad I was to rm that script after it had served it's purpose
[19:24] <v0lksman> hey all!  I have an issue here that is driving me nutts.  I have a latop with an Intel 945GM, in gnome I get 1400X1050 no issues.  Switch to xfce and I'm forced into 1280X1024.  I'm using the i810 driver however I'm not convinced it's installed correctly based on lshw saying display is "Unclaimed"
[19:25] <v0lksman> when I tell xfce to go 1400x1050 I get one of those old school oversized desktops where I need to mouse over the edges to see the rest of the desktop...
[19:27] <taza> Well, I've gotten everything I wanted
[19:27] <taza> So I shall bid you farewell
[19:28] <TheSheep> v0lksman: try playing with displayconfig-gtk
[19:29] <v0lksman> TheSheep: yeah that's what I was playing with that provides the larger desktop but requires that I scroll to get the edges
[19:29] <v0lksman> scroll=mouse to edge
[19:31] <v0lksman> gonna reboot to try something...thanks anyways...
[20:32] <aroo> therms does your motherboard support dual channel ram
[20:32] <aroo> wrong channel
[20:33] <cody-somerville> aroo, :)
[20:54] <FrederikVds> Ii have installed xubuntu on an old laptop, but it only uses a small part of my screen (about half the size, in the center of the screen). It also does this when booting windows, but once windows is loaded it uses my full screen. Any ideas on how can I make this work in xubuntu?
[20:55] <zoredache> most likely your video adapter wasn't detected and your computer has choose to use a resolution smaller then the optimum res for the display
[20:56] <FrederikVds> I'm quite new to linux, what does that mean? Do I need drivers or something?
[20:57] <zoredache> maybe...  If your laptop video card is supported you may be able to forse things to work by running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' in a terminal/shell
[20:57] <FrederikVds> ok
[20:59] <thinkmassive> actually it changed in the latest *buntu release
[20:59] <thinkmassive> you have to use xrandr now
[20:59] <FrederikVds> ok
[20:59] <thinkmassive> do you know what version you got?
[21:00] <thinkmassive> 7.10 or 8.04?
[21:00] <FrederikVds> 8.04
[21:00] <thinkmassive> what kind of laptop is it?
[21:00] <FrederikVds> A Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600
[21:06] <FrederikVds> what does xrandr do?
[21:06] <jake_> hello
[21:06] <thinkmassive> xrandr changes the screen resolution used by X
[21:07] <maxamillion> yeah, not so much
[21:07] <maxamillion> man xrandr
[21:08] <FrederikVds> Should i use --fb? It refuses to use that
[21:08] <jake_> my computer keeps randomly rebooting and i'm not having much luck diagnosing it.  the logs aren't telling me anything useful, except that the computer is rebooting.  any advice?
[21:08] <thinkmassive> jake_: maybe it's a heat issue?
[21:09] <thinkmassive> FrederikVds: you might be able to specify a different video mode through grub
[21:09] <jake_> i thought it was that, but i have a case with several fans and recently replaced my stock intel cpu fan with a far more effective one.
[21:09] <jake_> didn't seem to help.
[21:09] <FrederikVds> ok i'll check
[21:09] <thinkmassive> jake_: too many fans drawing too much power when things heat up?
[21:10] <jake_> perhaps.  what components do i need to be especially concerned about getting too hot?  the cpu should be fine.
[21:11] <thinkmassive> cpu, northbridge, video, hdd...
[21:11] <KOJV> ﻿Anyone with experience on installing i8kfans in Xubuntu? I get all kinds of errors.
[21:11] <KOJV> ﻿Please help me. It's very tireful to keep the CPU cool with mouth to heatsink method...
[21:11] <jake_> atm i'm using integrated video and the hard drive has a fan right next to it.
[21:11] <jake_> what is the northbridge?
[21:12] <thinkmassive> it connects your cpu to ram and video, usually has a heatsink on it near the cpu
[21:12] <thinkmassive> there should be a pic of the mobo in your manual
[21:12] <thinkmassive> that's really a long shot though
[21:13] <thinkmassive> I'd help more but I've got too much work, bbl
[21:13] <jake_> alright, i'll consider that.  thanks.
[21:19] <FrederikVds> when i do dpkg-reconfigure, i assume i have to restart X? how can i do that without rebooting?
[21:19] <KOJV> ﻿Help me with http://people.debian.org/~dz/i8k/ please!
[21:19] <KOJV> ﻿I hate it when they assume one to know how to compile and install. :(
[21:21] <aanderse> FrederikVds: press ctrl+alt+backspace
[21:21] <aanderse> this will end your session though
[21:21] <FrederikVds> ok
[21:21] <aanderse> so make sure you save any documents you are working on
[21:22] <aanderse> KOJV: one sec, let me see
[21:23] <aanderse> KOJV: that util is *really* old
[21:25] <aanderse> KOJV: what computer do you have? a dell notebook?
[21:25] <KOJV> aanderse, yes an Inspiron 8200. Got a better software to control the fans?
[21:26] <aanderse> no, researching this tool though
[21:26] <KOJV> aanderse, please let me know if you can make it install / run.
[21:27] <KOJV> aanderse, which very much oughta be possible, I just don't know how. makefile install just gives me a huge bunch of errors.
[21:27] <aanderse> sure, what happens when you type "make" ?
[21:28] <aanderse> oh, ps
[21:28] <aanderse> did you know there's a package already in ubuntu??
[21:29] <KOJV> aanderse, to control the fans? No, which one?
[21:29] <aanderse> type sudo apt-get install i8kutils
[21:29] <aanderse> that very utility you're trying to compile!
[21:29] <KOJV> aanderse: that package cannot be found, it says.
[21:30] <aanderse> do you have the universe repositories enabled?
[21:30] <KOJV> No, how?
[21:30] <aanderse> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i8kutils
[21:31] <KOJV> I've got the main and universe resps active,
[21:31] <aanderse> you're using xubuntu, i assume, right?
[21:31] <KOJV> Yes.
[21:31] <aanderse> xubuntu 8.04 ?
[21:31] <KOJV> yep
[21:31] <aanderse> ok type sudo apt-get install i8kutils
[21:32] <KOJV> Package not found...
[21:32] <aanderse> ok
[21:32] <aanderse> type
[21:32] <aanderse> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep universe
[21:33] <KOJV> aanderse: I don't understand the output.
[21:34] <aanderse> i was hoping you would send me the output :)
[21:34] <ephemeros> aanderse: i can't find that package in the same distro version
[21:34] <ephemeros> have enabled all the repos
[21:34] <aanderse> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i8kutils
[21:34] <aanderse> well it's there...
[21:34] <aanderse> i don't have my computer with me right now, at work...
[21:35] <aanderse> i'll ssh into our linux server and see...
[21:35] <aanderse> oh
[21:35] <aanderse> wait
[21:35] <aanderse> it's gutsy, not hardy
[21:35] <aanderse> uh
[21:35] <KOJV> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15404/
[21:35] <ephemeros> :)
[21:35] <aanderse> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15404/
[21:36] <ephemeros> and also only on i386, probably this would be the issue
[21:36] <aanderse> oh...
[21:36] <aanderse> KOJV: type uname -a and give me the output please
[21:36] <aanderse> are you running a 64bit xubuntu?
[21:37] <KOJV> aanderse: no 32.
[21:37] <aanderse> ok well i'll run you through installing it manually, just paste what i'm saying here
[21:37] <slow-motion> hi
[21:37] <aanderse> open a terminal and ...
[21:37] <aanderse> wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/i/i8kutils/i8kutils_1.27_i386.deb
[21:37] <KOJV> Linux ellenor-laptop 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:38] <KOJV> Uhm... now I'm not sure.
[21:38] <aanderse> that will download the package for you
[21:38] <aanderse> then you can type sudo dpkg -i i8kutils_1.27_i386.deb to install it
[21:39] <KOJV> Package installer says Dependency is not satisfiable: tk8.4|wish
[21:39] <aanderse> ok, not a problem
[21:40] <aanderse> sudo apt-get install tk8.4
[21:40] <ephemeros> what about double-clicking the package?
[21:40] <KOJV> ephemeros: that's what I did.
[21:41] <ephemeros> :|
[21:41] <aanderse> does xubuntu have gdebi installed by default?
[21:41] <ephemeros> yes it has
[21:41] <KOJV> freely translated from Swedish... the package tk8.4 has got not installation candidate.
[21:41] <aanderse> oh... my bad
[21:42] <aanderse> i'm about to head out from work soon... anyone here think they can run KOJV through installing tk8.4 from the repos, and installing i8kutils from a .deb?
[21:42] <KOJV> So... now what?
[21:42] <ephemeros> i would suggest to look for the tk8.4 packade in synaptic package manager
[21:42] <ephemeros> that error sounds familiar, like the package exists though it won't install, maybe a bug?
[21:43] <ephemeros> KOJV ^
[21:46] <KOJV> ephemeros:  thanks but there's no such package in my resp.
[21:46] <ephemeros> KOJV: do you have synaptic running?
[21:46] <aanderse> ... what's up with your repos?
[21:47] <KOJV> Dunno.
[21:48] <ephemeros> may i suggerst to open up Menu->System->Synaptic Package Manager, then
[21:48] <ephemeros> in its menu click Settings->Repositories
[21:49] <ephemeros> and look there if the first two options are enabled
[21:49] <ephemeros> thoug you said main and universe are enabled :|
[21:49] <KOJV> ephemeros:  yes they are.
[21:50] <ephemeros> what about the mirror, what if it's not up-to-date, or refresh the packages list
[21:50] <ephemeros> ...with the reload button :|
[21:50] <aanderse> yeah, hit the big "reload" button maybe
[21:50] <ephemeros> :)
[21:50] <aanderse> heh
[21:50] <aanderse> anywho, good luck, but sorry gotta go
[21:50] <aanderse> ttyl
[21:50] <ephemeros> see you a.
[21:51] <FrederikVds> Thanks for the help, i'm going bye
[21:52] <ephemeros> KOJV: any luck?
[21:53] <cody-somerville> Good Evening Xubuntu Users! :)
[21:53] <ephemeros> bye \m/
[21:56] <ephemeros> oh, sorry cody-somerville, good evening to you
[21:56] <cody-somerville> hehe
[21:56] <cody-somerville> :)
[21:56] <S0210> Hi! How to change the language of Xfce? I can't find language packages in Synaptic.
[21:56] <ephemeros> i confused the english expressions :)
[21:58] <ephemeros> S0210: if you search "language" by name, don't you have ant result?
[21:59] <ephemeros> like language-pack-... or language-support-...
[21:59] <S0210> ephemeros: I have a result but I can't find e.g. xfce4-session in Hungarian in Synaptic (although it does exist as I remember from 7.10)
[22:00] <S0210> ephemeros: yes, there is something http://i18n.xfce.org/stats/index.php?mode=4&lang=xfce_4_2/hu
[22:00] <ephemeros> i never used packages, though...
[22:00] <S0210> ephemeros: but not in Synaptic. and I have no clue what to do now
[22:01] <ephemeros> what if you select language-support-hu ?
[22:01] <ephemeros> it looks like a meta-package
[22:01] <ephemeros> let me look a bit
[22:02] <S0210> ephemeros: done. but it does not change quite a few xfce related labels (inc. some obvious ones like "power off")
[22:02] <ephemeros> :|
[22:03] <ephemeros> anyway, when installing the good packages, let's say you would find it,
[22:03] <ephemeros> what should happen, how did you enable it?
[22:04] <S0210> ephemeros: right after starting the live CD I chose Hungarian and I installed it this way. :-)
[22:05] <S0210> ephemeros: later on there is a menu / system / language support that I used to checked
[22:05] <ephemeros> oh, i think it enables it womeho, anyway i think the session should be restartet for the efefcts to take place, souldn't it?
[22:06] <ephemeros> :|
[22:06] <S0210> ephemeros: it has been restarted about hundred times since April 2008 :-)
[22:07] <ephemeros> whit this package installed?
[22:07] <S0210> ephemeros: yes
[22:07] <ephemeros> then i don't know, i though i could figure out :D
[22:08] <ephemeros> S0210: let me restart my session
[22:09] <ephemeros> brb
[22:14] <ephemeros> S0210: it works here
[22:14] <S0210> ephemeros: works what?
[22:14] <ephemeros> changing the language
[22:14] <ephemeros> what i did is:
[22:14] <S0210> ephemeros: what language?
[22:14] <S0210> ephemeros: have you changed to hu?
[22:14] <ephemeros> i put romanian packages
[22:15] <ephemeros> i installed: language-pack-ro and language-support-ro
[22:15] <ephemeros> then, at the login window i choosed Language->Romanian,
[22:15] <cody-somerville> Applications > System > Language Support
[22:16] <S0210> ephemeros: awesome... then my Romanian language problem is solved :-)
[22:16] <slow-motion> n8
[22:16] <ephemeros> S0210: you mean hungarian?
[22:16] <S0210> ephemeros: now back to the Hungarian problem
[22:16] <ephemeros> cody-somerville: it looks like the language support tool wants to install the gnome ro pack
[22:17] <ephemeros> S0210: what do you mean?
[22:17] <ephemeros> did you change the language at the login window?
[22:17] <S0210> ephemeros: I did installed language-pack-hu and language-support-hu and a few more language-*-hu
[22:17] <ephemeros> ^
[22:18] <cody-somerville> ephemeros, thats okay :)
[22:18] <S0210> ephemeros: as I see the menu in hu I suppose I did
[22:19] <ephemeros> and also, S0210, an issue could be if you have enabled the option to save/restore all your sessions, i think the session retakes it's old settings, never tried, thoug
[22:19] <S0210> ephemeros: stop
[22:19] <ephemeros> ok :)
[22:19] <S0210> ephemeros: let me explain my problem again
[22:20] <ephemeros> yes...
[22:20] <S0210> ephemeros: http://ubuntu.hu/files/imagecache/thumb/files/bugreports/xxx_setup.png
[22:21] <S0210> ephemeros: probably it tells you more than I could put in words
[22:21] <ephemeros> that's what you see now, or what you want to see?
[22:22] <S0210> ephemeros: most of the things are in hu but a few things remained en (e.g. "removable drives and media")
[22:22] <ephemeros> oh...
[22:22] <S0210> ephemeros: first I thought it is a missing translation
[22:22] <S0210> ephemeros: but it is not as I can not find it on launchpad at all
[22:22] <ephemeros> you, with my translation those are missing, too
[22:22] <S0210> ephemeros: then I also found this http://i18n.xfce.org/stats/index.php?mode=4&lang=xfce_4_4/hu
[22:23] <S0210> ephemeros: it shows that the translation exists but not in lanuchpad
[22:23] <S0210> ephemeros: I do not care if it is set up in launchpad or not but I want to have them
[22:23] <ephemeros> :|
[22:23] <S0210> ephemeros: now comes my trick question: what should I do?
[22:24] <ephemeros> well i don't know what to say
[22:24] <S0210> :-)
[22:24] <ephemeros> aren't the translations dwl-dable and installable from the xfce website?
[22:25] <ephemeros> ...separately
[22:25] <S0210> ephemeros: I suppose they are... (see the link above). how can I check it? what should I do?
[22:26] <ephemeros> i really don't know, anyone?
[22:27] <ephemeros> S0210: remember xubuntu xfce installation is custom,
[22:28] <ephemeros> i don't know how the default xfce translated installation looks like,
[22:28] <ephemeros> but it is possible that those buttons and items weren't translated, i'm not a maintainer and just suppose so
[22:30] <suRsu> hello everyone!
[22:30] <ephemeros> at a second thought "Autostarted Apps" is default in XFCE,
[22:30] <ephemeros> when i press the button, the window that appears *is* translated :))
[22:30] <S0210> ephemeros: that's not the case seeing the Xfce4 Translations Statistics that I referred to earlier (see url)
[22:31] <ephemeros> ok
[22:32] <suRsu> okej people anyone in here that can help me ? i really need to ask some questions and get some good advices and guide im newbie =)
[22:32] <Myrtti> hello suRsu
[22:33] <suRsu> hayy
[22:33] <suRsu> first of all im on my windows op right now i dont know how to istnall irc on liux
[22:34] <Myrtti> you've got pidgin there
[22:35] <Myrtti> pidgin can do irc
[22:35] <ephemeros> suRsu: every application existing on the repository can be installed from the desktop menu->System->Synaptic Package Manager
[22:35] <ephemeros> yeah, that is an option (pidgin)
[22:36] <Myrtti> I personally don't like pidgin at all
[22:36] <Myrtti> actually I finally managed to outsource all my im protocols to bitlbee
[22:36] <ephemeros> me neither, what IRC client do you use, Myrtti ?
[22:36] <Myrtti> had to compile bitlbee myself to get past some idiocies
[22:36] <Myrtti> ephemeros: of course the best :-)
[22:36] <Myrtti> ephemeros: irssi
[22:37] <ephemeros> lol, this is the first time i hear about it
[22:37] <TheSheep> it's the best
[22:37] <suRsu> question i have a laptop and i wonder witch ubuntu works best for it or even linux i looked around like opensuse and stuff like that but i have no clue.. i cant seems to get compiz on my laptop :S
[22:38] <zoredache> bitlbee/irssi is great.  but you might need to compile yourself or backport to get everything work
[22:38] <TheSheep> suRsu: compiz is not required
[22:38] <ephemeros> suRsu: what laptop model do you have
[22:38] <suRsu> System Model: HP Compaq nc6400 (EH522AV)
[22:38] <suRsu>                BIOS: KBC Version 56.33
[22:38] <suRsu>           Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU         T7200  @ 2.00GHz (2 CPUs)
[22:38] <suRsu>              Memory: 1016MB RAM
[22:38] <Myrtti> zoredache: yeah, I had to compile it myself after doing some hacking with a friend to get past jabber port restrictions
[22:39] <ephemeros> Myrtti, TheSheep, zoredache: i think it sucks if it starts in command line, don't scare the guy away :)
[22:39] <suRsu> my card is  Card name: Mobile Intel(R) 945 Express Chipset Family
[22:39] <suRsu>      Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
[22:39] <suRsu>         Chip type: Intel(R) GMA 950
[22:39] <Myrtti> ephemeros: that's why I said pidgin
[22:39] <Myrtti> :-)
[22:40] <ephemeros> well, i'm closer to suRsu in though, let me recommend him XChat
[22:40] <suRsu> well im on my windows op right now
[22:40] <ephemeros> suRsu: X/Ubuntu runs out-of the box on my laptop, except the wireless
[22:40] <ephemeros> though i have Acer
[22:41] <ephemeros> suRsu: try http://www.xchat.org/download/
[22:41] <Myrtti> suRsu: I've worked with ncx400's a lot
[22:41] <ephemeros> it runs on windows, too, you may try it there and if you like it install when on ubuntu
[22:41] <Myrtti> they work very, very nicely with Ubuntu
[22:41] <Myrtti> any flavor, really
[22:41] <ephemeros> Myrtti: cool
[22:42] <suRsu> hmm only says  windows 2000 xp or vista or fedora 7 :p
[22:42] <suRsu> does fedora stuff work on xubuntu?
[22:42] <ephemeros> :|
[22:43] <suRsu> couse its rpm file can i download that stuff for my xubuntu?
[22:43] <ephemeros> fedora is a linux distribution like ubuntu, it runs on its own
[22:43] <suRsu> ah
[22:43] <ephemeros> nope
[22:43] <Myrtti> suRsu: are you trying to install an irc client to your windows or to your (x)ubuntu?
[22:43] <suRsu> well xubuntu
[22:43] <suRsu> so ican logg over and talk
[22:44] <Myrtti> well for xubuntu you can use the package management
[22:44] <suRsu> i have the 8.04 verison
[22:44] <Myrtti> applications -> system -> add/remove
[22:45] <suRsu> alright i be back soon
[22:45] <suRsu> thanks
[22:45] <Myrtti> suRsu: what client are you using now?
[22:45] <Myrtti> xchat, mirc?
[22:45] <suRsu> mirc
[22:45] <Myrtti> then you'll probably like xchat
[22:45] <suRsu> do i have to download it?
[22:45] <Myrtti> search for that in that add/remove application search box
[22:45] <Myrtti> yes
[22:46] <suRsu> alright
[22:46] <Myrtti> or use the cd
[22:46] <ephemeros> suRsu: i told you, you should probably try it in windoze, to check for the settings, config, etc
[22:46] <Myrtti> no, actually, I think xchat isn't on the cd
[22:46] <suRsu> i dont have the cd i download the file from the homepage and extracted it on my widnows then i isntalled it :p
[22:46] <Myrtti> so yes, you need to download it
[22:46] <ephemeros> yeah, i think it's in the universe repo
[22:47] <suRsu> alright brb
[22:47] <ephemeros> k
[22:47] <ephemeros> Myrtti: do you know an easy way to connect to windoze samba shares on xubuntu?
[22:48] <Myrtti> I don't know about the easy, but the best is still to mount them
[22:48] <ephemeros> what if the guy will want that too, probably we should recommend him the Gnome or KDE variations?
[22:48] <ephemeros> hmm...ok
[22:48] <ephemeros> i hope he'll manage it :)
[22:48] <Myrtti> the thing with all the graphical things is that they usually work for some apps, and then for some they don't
[22:49] <Myrtti> using mount makes them visible for all the apps, always
[22:49] <Myrtti> I think he was a she, btw ;-)
[22:49] <ephemeros> i used almost only graphical tools, i don't know about those
[22:50] <ephemeros> oh, didn't notice :)
[22:50] <Myrtti> "/home/myrtti/.irssi/scripts/autorun/autorealname.pl"
[22:51] <Myrtti> [00:29] *** suRsu (Suey) [n=oo_kamii@84-217-147-26.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #xubuntu
[22:51] <Myrtti> might be wrong, though
[22:51] <ephemeros> oh :)
[22:51] <suRs> hay
[22:51] <Myrtti> hello suRs
[22:52] <ephemeros> Myrtti:  ... :)
[22:52] <ephemeros> hey
[22:52] <suRs> im back xD on my betuiful linux now =)
[22:52] <suRs> omg this rox! thanks guys ur the best
[22:52] <Myrtti> ephemeros: then again so am I ;-)
[22:52] <Myrtti> suRs: no prob, that's what we're here for
[22:52] <ephemeros> Myrtti: i though about that, feminine intuiition, probably
[22:53] <suRs> well you know how it its with newbie but i gotta admit it everyone is a newbie some time :p
[22:53] <Myrtti> suRs: exactly
[22:53] <Myrtti> oh, back in the days when I used to login as root to gnome session...
[22:53] <Myrtti> :-P
[22:53] <suRs> well  question .. when i look for themes what kinda should i look for? what is kde 1 , 2?
[22:54] <Myrtti> suRs: if you've got xubuntu, then you can look for the ones for xfce, and sometimes for gtk/gnome
[22:54] <suRs> ah alright are thay hard to install?
[22:55] <Myrtti> if you've got kubuntu, then kde themes are the ones to look for
[22:55] <ephemeros> yeah, KDE, Gnome and XFCE are different desktops with different settings and themes
[22:55] <suRs> so were can i find does one ? :)
[22:55] <ephemeros> Ubuntu has Gnome, Kubuntu comes from KDE and Xubuntu from XFCE
[22:56] <suRs> well i got Xubuntu
[22:56] <ephemeros> ok, any flavor you have the others can be installed, though extra space will be required,
[22:57] <ephemeros> and if you're on the live-cd all will install in the memory, i don't think you'll have enough space there
[22:57] <suRs> i didnt knew witch one to pick isntall hehe
[22:58] <suRs> i got 20 gig more i think on my hard drive
[22:58] <ephemeros> :) better see some demos on youtube, or something, it's a matter of taste
[22:58] <suRs> i alredy have my taste :D
[22:58] <DaveKong> Does anyone use KGS? I can't get it to work even though I got java etc
[22:58] <ephemeros> the "x" one?
[22:59] <KOJV> ephemeros: I changed to the international resp instead of the Swedish one and now it's downlioading the utils okay. Thanks a bunch!
[23:00] <suRs> kojv your swedish?
[23:00] <ephemeros> KOJV: cool
[23:00] <KOJV> suRs: , yes.
[23:00] <suRs> jag med :)
[23:00] <suRs> its me too on swedish hehe
[23:00] <KOJV> k :)
[23:01] <suRs> ephemeros
[23:01] <ephemeros> yup
[23:02] <suRs> when i run ./compiz-check
[23:02] <suRs> i get this kinda think Gathering information about your system...
[23:02] <suRs>  Distribution:          Ubuntu 8.04
[23:02] <suRs>  Desktop environment:   Xfce
[23:02] <suRs>  Graphics chip:         Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[23:02] <suRs>  Driver in use:         intel
[23:02] <suRs>  Rendering method:      AIGLX
[23:02] <suRs> Checking if it's possible to run Compiz on your system...
[23:02] <suRs>  Checking for texture_from_pixmap...               [FAIL]
[23:02] <suRs>  Checking for non power of two support...          [FAIL]
[23:02] <suRs>  Checking for composite extension...               [ OK ]
[23:02] <suRs>  Checking for FBConfig...                          [FAIL]
[23:02] <suRs> when it says fail i cant use it?
[23:02] <Myrtti> !paste | suRs
[23:03] <suRs> sorry.
[23:03] <Myrtti> np
[23:03] <ephemeros> suRs: i'm not so good at installing compiz, maybe Myrtti could help you better
[23:03] <suRs> myrtti maybe you can help me?
[23:04] <Myrtti> I actually installed xubuntu because I couldn't get compiz to work (though later I found out it was because I had server kernel)
[23:04] <suRs> so
[23:04] <suRs> what did you do?
[23:04] <Myrtti> I can't remember seeing that kind of script though
[23:05] <Myrtti> how are you trying to install compiz?
[23:05] <suRs> well
[23:05] <suRs> i tryed once but i couln't it to work
[23:06] <suRs> and  i had to resintall my xubuntu becose my other one acted wierd
[23:06] <Myrtti> did you download something from somewhere?
[23:06] <suRs> yeah i did
[23:06] <Myrtti> if so, how and from where?
[23:06] <suRs> do some downloads
[23:06] <suRs> it was sudo get i- and alot of compiz stuff
[23:06] <suRs> on the terminal
[23:06] <Myrtti> ok
[23:07] <suRs> Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[23:07] <suRs> its my grafick card it does support 3d
[23:07] <suRs> and the driver in use is intel it says
[23:08] <Myrtti> I might be wrong, but I think there might be another driver that you could use
[23:08] <suRs> Rendering method:      AIGLX <-- i have no idea what this is
[23:08] <suRs> how do i install grafik card drives? :S
[23:09] <ephemeros> all the drivers i know are for NVidia and ATI
[23:09] <suRs> yeah
[23:10] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[23:10] <Myrtti> sorry, a tad late here in Finland
[23:10] <ephemeros> i bought my laptop especially with one of these for the drivers :)
[23:10] <suRs> hehe
[23:10] <suRs> but my laptop its pretty expensive
[23:11] <ephemeros> suRs: did you check the ubuntu wiki for the drivers installation?
[23:11] <suRs> nop
[23:11] <ephemeros> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[23:12] <ephemeros> excuse me, i think this is it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[23:13] <Myrtti> I think you're doing great here, I'm on the other hand getting really tired
[23:13] <Myrtti> /me goes to put some new linens to her bed and tucks in
[23:13] <Myrtti> niteynite
[23:13] <ephemeros> night Myrtti
[23:14] <suRs> god night
[23:14] <ephemeros> suRs: i'll go to sleep too, but try some few more things
[23:14] <ephemeros> check the desktop menu -> System->Hardware drivers and check what do you see there
[23:15] <suRs> nothing
[23:15] <suRs> its emptey
[23:15] <suRs> empty
[23:16] <ephemeros> wow, well bad news, when i search for "drivers" on the Ubuntu help site the results are:
[23:17] <ephemeros> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=drivers&titlesearch=Titles
[23:17] <suRs> so
[23:17] <ephemeros> i really don't know what's the business with those Intel drivers
[23:17] <suRs> okej
[23:17] <ephemeros> why don't you install compiz directly from the package manager?
[23:17] <ephemeros> ...and see what happens
[23:18] <suRs> can i do that?
[23:18] <ephemeros> yes
[23:18] <ephemeros> open Synaptic Packade Manager from System
[23:18] <suRs> cool i can try
[23:18] <ephemeros> then search by name "compiz"
[23:18] <suRs> i did that
[23:19] <suRs> now its finish i think
[23:19] <ephemeros> though in my knowledge compiz is not very well supported on XFCE
[23:19] <suRs> how do i know if it works?
[23:19] <ephemeros> ok, so let me think
[23:19] <suRs> what kinad linix should i use then opensuse?
[23:19] <suRs> debian?
[23:20] <ephemeros> ubuntu has gnome and kde, too
[23:20] <ephemeros> i'd recommend you ubuntu, the default one on gnome,
[23:20] <suRs> i dont like ubuntu so much
[23:20] <ephemeros> if you really want compiz working out of the box
[23:21] <ephemeros> well i don't know about the others
[23:21] <suRs> k
[23:21] <suRs> i like xubuntu its nice :p
[23:21] <suRs> hehe
[23:21] <ephemeros> the same issues apply on the other distros, compiz works better on gnome and kde
[23:21] <suRs> whats so diffrent?
[23:21] <ephemeros> you mean you don't like gnome
[23:21] <suRs> what do you use?
[23:22] <ephemeros> i use xubuntu,
[23:22] <suRs> so why do you use it?
[23:22] <ephemeros> i worked some time on gnome, but some things i didn't like, it is slower
[23:22] <ephemeros> because i like it is fast, and logical in settings,
[23:23] <suRs> okej
[23:23] <suRs> but you got compiz?
[23:23]  * cody-somerville likes Xubuntu too :)
[23:23] <ephemeros> gnome has some settings in the GUI, some other in the configuration manager, and others probably in config files :|
[23:23] <ephemeros> cody-somerville: \m/
[23:23] <ephemeros> my gf has it
[23:23] <ephemeros> she's on gnome
[23:23] <suRs> well my bf dosnt like linux
[23:24] <ephemeros> :))
[23:24] <suRs> only my brother used it so i got intressted when he fixed his desktop like he whanted was relly cool
[23:24] <ephemeros> what distro does he use?
[23:24] <suRs> i whant to fix my desktop like that allso so i whanted a nice theme :p
[23:24] <suRs> i have no idea what he use :p
[23:24] <suRs> he just said linux
[23:24] <ephemeros> :|
[23:24] <suRs> hehe
[23:25] <suRs> how do i install theme?
[23:25] <ephemeros> go to settings->settings manager
[23:25] <suRs> yeah
[23:25] <suRs> okej
[23:25] <ephemeros> there is
[23:26] <ephemeros> well i put on the translation and forgot their names in english :D
[23:26] <suRs> well
[23:26] <suRs> i ment like
[23:26] <ephemeros> but you will figure out, you can change the icons, window borders and gui style
[23:26] <suRs> a nicer one that i can download
[23:26] <ephemeros> oh
[23:26] <suRs> like its awsomme!
[23:27] <ephemeros> http://xfce-look.org/
[23:27] <suRs> xfce is the one i should use for xubuntu?
[23:28] <ephemeros> well you should use what you like most
[23:28] <suRs> whats the diffrent  with xfce gtk1.x 2.x
[23:28] <ephemeros> suRs: do you want a screenshot with mine?
[23:28] <ephemeros> gtk+2
[23:29] <ephemeros> the 1.x version is obsolete
[23:29] <suRs> well
[23:30] <suRs> sure how do i see your ss
[23:30] <ephemeros> 1 min
[23:32] <ephemeros> is the screenshot coming?
[23:32] <suRs> hum
[23:32] <suRs> nop
[23:33] <suRs> well i didnt find anyone that looked cool enought
[23:33] <suRs> i whant like final fantasy or somting nice
[23:33] <suRs> :D
[23:33] <ephemeros> :)
[23:34] <ephemeros> well suRs i hope you'll make your mind to a desktop/distro, i have to go to sleep
[23:34] <ephemeros> se you
[23:34] <ephemeros> bye guys \m/
[23:35] <suRs> nigt
[23:35] <suRs> me2
[23:35] <suRs> work tomorrow