/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/05/29/#kubuntu-devel.txt

yuriyit's normal for shutdown and restart not to be available in the log out dialog when not using KDM right?01:30
yuriy(looking at bug 204752)01:32
ubottuyuriy: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out01:32
dvoidis there any kde 4.0.80 packages available anywhere yet?01:33
Jucatodvoid: http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.05.28/hardy-kde-41-beta-packages-soon/01:34
dvoidJucato, :) tanx01:35
dvoidto bad they are not avaiable yet though, i guess it takes some time to make the kde 4 packages play nice with kde 3?01:40
lnxkdeguys02:36
lnxkdeany iea when we will have a kde4.1 beta build for kubuntu?02:36
Jucatolnxkde: <Jucato> dvoid: http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.05.28/hardy-kde-41-beta-packages-soon/02:37
* Jucato wonders if it can't be put on the topic :)02:38
Jucato(or maybe it's in the #kubuntu-kde4 topic)02:38
lnxkdelol02:38
lnxkdesorry02:38
lnxkdebut KDE 4.1 look nice02:38
lnxkde:)02:38
Jucatos/look/is/02:39
lnxkde:)02:41
nixternalhey, if you want to promote santiago-ve for Ubuntu membership, get in #ubuntu-meeting now and speak it loud!!!02:50
santiago-vethanks nixternal02:53
nixternaleveryone is prolly sleeping02:53
jjessewhen are kde 4.1 packages going to land in ubuntu02:53
* jjesse ducks02:53
lnxkdelol02:53
bddebianRight after the Hurd 1.0 release ;-P02:54
jjesseevening nixternal02:54
jjesse:)02:54
JontheEchidnakdelibs are already in the backports, but not much else afaik02:54
Jucatojjesse: http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.05.28/hardy-kde-41-beta-packages-soon/02:54
* Jucato quacks02:54
jjesseJucato: i know i read the blog entry'02:54
jjessejust being a bastard02:54
* Jucato was also being a bastard :)02:54
Jucatohence the "quacks" :)02:54
Jucato(as a reference to "ducks")02:54
jjesse:)02:54
* JontheEchidna was actually trying to be informative <.<02:54
jjessemorning Jucato btw02:54
nixternalJucato: are you linking everyone who joins the channel to that?02:54
Jucatonixternal: everyone who asks02:55
lnxkdenixternal, u from illinois?02:55
nixternalI sure am lnxkde02:55
nixternalChicago02:55
Jucatoand for fun, I paste the names of those who asked. so by the end of the day, they'll know how many times it has been asked :)02:55
Jucatoso the next one who asks will have "<Jucato> lnxkde: <Jucato> dvoid: http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.05.28/hardy-kde-41-beta-packages-soon/"02:55
Jucatooh wait...02:55
Jucatojjesse: <Jucato> lnxkde: <Jucato> dvoid: http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.05.28/hardy-kde-41-beta-packages-soon/02:56
Jucatothere...02:56
lnxkdenice, I just saw my aunt that is from Chicago to02:56
nixternalwere you up here in Chicago?02:56
lnxkdeno he was here in Puerto Rico02:56
lnxkde:s02:56
lnxkdeI am planning on going there soon though02:56
lnxkdebut I need to work on my money gathering first lol02:57
Jucato"he"?02:57
nosrednaekimhey lnxkde, never seen you around....02:57
lnxkdeme02:57
Jucatonosrednaekim: welcome to the Planet :)02:57
nosrednaekimthank you thank you02:57
lnxkdeheh I have been here long time.... since the 6.06 days but I come and go02:58
lnxkdedepends on my workload02:58
nosrednaekimat least you didn't make any embarrassing comments about how young I looked :P02:58
Jucatoyeah he's a familiar git02:58
Jucatoer.. nick02:58
lnxkde:s02:58
Jucatonosrednaekim: I was about to comment on your hair02:58
Jucatonosrednaekim: but how young/old are you?02:58
nosrednaekim1802:59
lnxkdeI am 2102:59
Jucatoeeeek02:59
Jucatonixternal: you are getting old(er)...02:59
Jucatogeeks are getting younger and younger02:59
nosrednaekimmy brother... a Gentoo Developer, is 1602:59
nosrednaekimsoo... yeah02:59
Jucatosh*t :/02:59
lnxkdehehe I satrted with linux in fall 2000 with the Mandrake 7.2 :D03:00
bddebianScrew all of you :)03:00
lnxkdelol03:00
lnxkdegentoo dev at 16 wow03:00
* Jucato is almost 25... started w/ Linux only in 200603:00
JucatoI basically didn't know of Linux until Dec 200503:00
lnxkdebut u a dev right?03:00
Jucatoso-so :)03:00
lnxkdethat is the important thing to contribute... I have done nothing....03:01
Jucatohehe true that :P03:01
Jucatook.. I'm off for some dose of Windows-only gaming03:01
nosrednaekimI started using linux when I was like 8.... my dad has used it since the pre-1.0 days03:01
lnxkdenice03:01
Jucatolucky you03:02
lnxkdenixternal, so Chicago could tonight?03:02
nosrednaekimso if any of your see any bash scripts or such coming out of "me".... its really my dad ^_^03:02
lnxkdecold*03:02
JucatoI guess my particular situation wasn't really conducive for finding out about Linux early on03:02
* santiago-ve ran out of cofee03:03
santiago-velol03:03
lnxkde:s03:04
* lnxkde ran out of.... IDK03:05
nosrednaekimwords... aparently03:05
lnxkdelol03:05
nixternaleveryone welcome santiago-ve!!! he is a new Ubuntu Member!!!03:05
nosrednaekimwhooo! hey santiago-ve!03:05
Jucatowelcome santiago-ve03:05
lnxkdewelcome03:05
nosrednaekimsantiago-ve: what do you do?03:05
* Jucato ran out03:05
santiago-venixternal, nosrednaekim, Jucato thanks!03:07
vorianw00 h00 santiago-ve03:15
* vorian is late03:15
nosrednaekimsantiago-ve: so what do you work on?03:16
santiago-vehehe vorian better late than never tehy say03:16
santiago-venosrednaekim, what do you mean?03:16
vorian:)03:17
nosrednaekimwhat did you do to become a member? programming... user support...03:17
santiago-venosrednaekim, advocacy mostly~03:17
nosrednaekimah ok, cool03:17
effie_jayxsantiago-ve,  show me your intrepid pbuilder log03:18
effie_jayxsantiago-ve, get hacking boyo03:18
jjesseyou show me your pbuilder and i'll show you mine03:18
nosrednaekimso me your pbuilder.... and i'll show you yo mama's03:18
jjessemy moma is dead03:19
jjessejust kidding on that03:19
jjesse:)03:20
jjessewow that caused the channel to go dead quite03:23
jjessesorry bout taht03:23
nosrednaekimhaha03:25
jjesse;)03:27
jjesseoh well03:27
nixternalomg I am an idiot03:35
nosrednaekim?03:36
nixternalI have been waiting to see kdepimlibs build on LP03:36
nixternalonly problem03:36
nixternalI didn't upload to PPA just yet03:36
nixternalderr03:36
nixternalI was losing my mind looking for the damn package in the PPA03:36
nosrednaekim^_^03:36
nosrednaekimok.. later guys03:40
nosrednaekimgotta go to bed early... job interview tomorrow03:41
jjessegood luck with the interview03:41
nixternalhehe, I have an interview tomorrow as well :)03:43
vorianuh oh03:50
vorianfail fail fail03:51
jjessei didn't do it :)03:51
vorianpimlibs?03:51
nixternalya, I killed pimlibs due to a bad copy/paste on a line break04:18
nixternalthat is what I get for using Gnome04:18
yuriy:O04:20
yuriy!nixternal04:20
ubottuOh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!04:20
yuriys/Vista lover/gnomey04:20
nixternalshush :p04:20
nixternalI like to build in gnome as I don't have to worry about my local stuff getting involved04:20
* Jucato could probably now have a factoid about his XP gaming usage...04:20
nixternala chroot on my system is just to slow when it comes to building04:20
nixternalJucato: what game?04:21
JucatoAsian MMORPGs04:21
Jucatothat don't run in Wine because of an "anti-hacking" tool GameGuard04:21
Jucato(stupid...)04:21
Jucatonot only is it the only reason why these games don't run in Wine (they run w/o it), but it also gives "hacking" a wrong definition...04:22
nixternalgo figure04:22
flaccidlets be revolutionary and make samba server install and config and option in the kubuntu installer and if yes ask to install minimal iptables! ?05:11
santiago-veflaccid, you mean a ksystemconf module?05:15
flaccidim not sure what it would be, but the installer would ask if they want to install and setup samba if they say yes it will ask/setup iptables as well05:16
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* nixternal finally beds after a long day of kde*libs and wiki editing08:25
nixternalyay interview in a few hours!!!08:25
Tm_Tyay08:33
mhbinterview?08:39
Tm_Thi slougi09:29
slougihi =)09:29
slougiwas just wondering whether someone could help me confirm a bug in the systemsettings printer manager09:29
slougii get the following when i select it:09:30
slougiQObject::connect: No such slot KMMainView::slotServerAccessConfigure()09:30
slougiQObject::connect:  (sender name:   'server_access_configure')09:30
slougiQObject::connect:  (receiver name: 'MainView')09:30
slougiand it doesn't work09:30
slougi(it fails to set up the print server connection or something)09:30
slougiadding a printer for example fails09:31
RiddellKDE 3?09:32
slougiyep09:32
slougia bit miffed since i had to install gnome-cups-manager to configure the printer :)09:33
RiddellI don't have KDE 3 installed now, but I've not seen any problems with the printer module when I had09:37
slougihmm. interesting, especially since this would be an actual bug in the c++ code rather than a config issue.09:37
seezerslougi: any special type of printer? installed one direct tcp and one shared cups printer without a problem with the current kde3 version (hardy)09:59
stdinslougi: I do see that10:00
slougiseezer: i tried installing an ipp printer. do you also get the connect error?10:00
seezerslougi: i'll verify after my doc visit10:01
seezerabout an hour10:01
slougiok10:01
seezerah. i'll do it right now. did you call the manager from console or where do you get the errors listed=10:02
seezers,=,?,10:02
slougiseezer: yeah, they go to stdout10:03
slougii just ran systemsettings and selected printer10:04
seezerok, verified ;)10:04
slougicool ;)10:04
seezerbut the printer removal&readd worked anyway10:07
slougihrm10:07
slougii'll get the exact error message, one moment10:07
slougibtw, after i click administrator mode and add->printer, the printer part locks up for a while10:08
seezerdidn't use admin mode here10:08
slougiright10:09
slougii thought that was needed to add printers, guess i was wrong10:09
slougiwhen i get to the printer test page and try to print a test page i get "Unable to create temprorary printer."10:10
seezerhave to see my doc now. gonna be back in a while. see you then10:10
slougiok10:10
seezerah could be that i had that before - didn't try to print right now10:10
slougiwhen i click through to the end and press finish i get "Unable to create printer. Error message received from manager: The requested operation cannot be completed."10:10
seezerbut perhaps admin mode _is_ needed10:10
slougiok10:11
seezerah ok didn't get that. added finally. but perhaps because the exact same printer (incl. name) existed before?10:11
seezeranyway, bbl10:11
slouginope, different name10:12
slougii got that even when i had no printers (apart from the default pdf etc.)10:12
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Hobbseenixternal: already responded, vistalover.11:57
* Hobbsee wonders if we're actually going to have a release of konversation for intrepid.12:41
jtechidna;.;12:43
* jussi01 wonders why its so hard to find decent employees to do linux stuff ... in Finland12:47
larsivianyone here having trouble with flash in konqueror on hardy? once interacting with the flash movie/app - it seems to grab enough of the input events to effectively lock the desktop12:48
larsiviafter reinstalling konqueror-nsplugins yesterday, it worked better, but today it is back into a bad mode12:48
Hobbseejussi01: well, because it's finland?12:48
jussi01Hobbsee: linux was born here... it shouldnt be hard to find people12:49
Hobbseehmm, true12:49
seezerdoesn't intrepid have kde4.1 beta packages?12:56
seezeror is there any ppa for those12:56
stdinseezer: partial, kde5libs, kdepimlibs and kdebase-runtime I think13:07
seezerstdin: alright, thanks13:14
slougiseezer: can you confirm the printer bug?13:17
seeleRiddell: have the desktop meetings resumed this week?13:20
Riddellseele: no13:23
seelenixternal: i'm not sure i understand your banner13:23
seeleRiddell: ok thanks13:23
seelenixternal: is the third row supposed to be at the top (so the IRC notice is in the middle) or is it the footer?13:23
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freeflyinganyone here in paris? :)13:38
Riddelltonio sometimes13:41
freeflyingyes, but haven't seen him recently13:42
a|wenis kubuntu also released with 8.04.1 cd's ?14:08
seeleScottK: are you part of the MD Loco Team?14:11
Riddella|wen: should do14:26
seelehum.. why was firefox uninstalled in the last update?14:51
Hobbseeseele: xulrunner-1.9 problems - some stuff didn't build.14:57
a|wenRiddell: okay, cool ... do we have any estimated time for when packages need to be in hardy-proposed to get into 8.04.1 ?15:11
Riddella|wen: -updates is what's important15:13
Riddellnot sure the exact date15:13
a|wenRiddell: okay ... just wanted to know, if i should get in a hurry soon, or if i still have a good amount of time15:14
Riddella|wen: it's about a months time15:17
Riddelldon't delay, best to get it in soon15:17
a|wenRiddell: okay, fine ... yeah, i know; just need the changes in intrpid first, but ScottK seems to have a lot over his ears atm.15:18
yuriyseele: i asked you about bug 226430 a few days ago and posted what you told me as a comment there, but the guy didn't like my response much, could you post a comment please?16:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 226430 in kdebase-workspace "new kde4 menu item unclear context for  'leave'" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22643016:02
nixternalmornin'!!!16:13
mhbnixternal: what was that interview you mentioned?16:16
nixternaljob interview today16:16
seeleyuriy: sigh.  some people just can't let things go.16:17
nixternalseele: ya, pay no attention really to that front page...I can't figure out a decent portal like entrance..I just may toss up the more important information on the page and get rid of the little table at the bottom16:18
seelenixternal: ok.. my only concern was that you put information between two larger rows of data and that thin line of data is at risk for being missed :)16:21
nixternalya, I was messing around trying to figure out what to put on that front page16:21
nixternalI think having the most important stuff right there in the readers face on the front page will probably be best16:22
seelehum.. i guess i could have changed the status too16:28
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yuriyseele: "nor do I care how the workflow is being handled"? care for?16:53
seeleyuriy: prefer?  like?16:57
seeleyuriy: i think the logout workflow sucks?16:57
seeleoh, yeah.. i guess "care for"16:57
seeleshould have probably proofread16:57
* seele sighs16:57
seeleand it's only noon16:57
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DRebellionHi, I'm creating a new package for intrepid that requires libqt4-dev version 4.4 to build. However, it is currently at version 4.3.4. Could anyone point me at some information as to when/if it will be upgraded? Thanks.17:27
stdin!info libqt4-dev intrepid17:28
ubottulibqt4-dev (source: qt4-x11): Qt 4 development files. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0-1ubuntu5 (intrepid), package size 5577 kB, installed size 27404 kB17:28
DRebellion0_o17:29
stdinI see 4.4 there17:29
stdinunless you're using hardy, then it's 4.3.4 (4.4 in -backports)17:29
DRebellionstdin, here, it says http://packages.ubuntu.com.cn/intrepid/libqt4-dev17:30
DRebellion4.3.417:30
stdinhttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/qt4-x1117:30
stdinpackages.u.c can get out of date quite quickly this early in development17:31
DRebellionstdin, okay, I'll take your word for it, thanks.17:31
stdinyw :)17:32
RiddellDRebellion: 4.4 is also in hardy-backports if you're still on hardy17:34
RiddellDRebellion: let us know if/when you need a review17:35
DRebellionRiddell, ok thanks17:35
smarterhmm, is it really necessary that kdebase-workspace-dev depends on kde-icons-oxygen?18:22
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Riddellwhen shall we three meet again?18:54
Riddellkubuntu meeting next wednesday at 22:00?18:55
Riddellsmarter: any reason it shouldn't?18:55
santiago-veRiddell: UTC?18:55
Riddellyes18:56
smarterRiddell: it's huge and I don't think apps really need it to build18:56
yuriyi was surprised wiki says not until June 30th18:56
santiago-ve'kay18:56
Riddellyuriy: it does?18:56
yuriyhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings18:56
smarterRiddell: is there a kde.mk for non-cmake kde4 apps?18:56
yuriynext wednesday sounds better :)18:56
Riddellthat's ages away18:57
Riddellsmarter: such things exist?18:57
Riddellnixternal: did you set that?18:57
smarterthe Bespin style18:57
Riddellor was it apachelogger?18:57
smarterwhen are we going to switch to /usr ?18:58
Riddellsmarter: just use /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools.mk  ?18:58
Riddellsmarter: yes18:58
Riddellalready have for kde4libs18:58
smarterah, great18:58
smarterso I don't understand why it can't find kdecoration.h...18:59
Riddellsmarter: it's in kdebase-workspace, which hasn't been uploaded yet19:01
Riddellonly kdelibs has been uploaded, everything else is waiting on MIRs19:01
seeleNext Meeting19:03
seeleLocation:  #ubuntu-meeting on IRC19:03
seeleDate & Time: [WWW] Saturday June 30, 2008 22:00 UTC19:03
seeleam i crazy or is June 30 a Monday?19:03
yuriyso it is.19:04
Riddellnixternal: if next wednesday at 22:00 is ok with you please add to fridge19:08
smarterRiddell: ok, thanks19:09
smarterRiddell: are the packages already available in a PPA or somewhere else?19:09
Riddellsmarter: no, although if the delay goes on that might be a good idea19:10
Riddellsebas: my kde 4 port of guidance-power-manager is in extragear/utils now, ok if I delete the existing guidance/powermanager in there?19:27
Riddellkde4powersave in playground looks promising19:27
yuriyhmm none of the apport stuff at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs is integrated in Kubuntu is it19:39
yuriygraphical stuff that is19:40
Riddellyuriy: yes it is, although apport doesn't get used for most KDE apps since they have their own crash handler19:41
yuriyRiddell: the report bug things go to bugs.kde.org, and the crash dialogs don't have submit buttons iirc, at least not ones that go to apport/launchpad19:43
Riddellright, that's the KDE stuff19:46
Riddellnon-kde apps will have th qt apport popup when they crash (if it's turned on)19:46
yuriyso there is no graphical way to report a KDE bug in launchpad19:46
Riddellno19:48
Riddellon the whole I'm happy having it point to bugs.kde.org, since most of our bugs should be upstream issues19:48
yuriyI want to make a Kubuntu version of that page, but it'll be command line stuff and other more complicated procedures like saving the kcrash file and attaching it19:48
LaserJockRiddell: did you sync openbabel for Kalzium?20:40
RiddellLaserJock: mm hmm20:54
LaserJockRiddell: ok, so is it going to dep on it or Recommends?20:55
LaserJockRiddell:  I was just chatting with Avogadro people and they mentioned it20:55
RiddellLaserJock: depends20:56
LaserJockRiddell: ok thanks. I'll have to make sure the other openbabel dependent apps work out20:58
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yuriywow writing wiki pages is a lot of work. props to nixternal21:46
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