[01:30] <yuriy> it's normal for shutdown and restart not to be available in the log out dialog when not using KDM right?
[01:32] <yuriy> (looking at bug 204752)
[01:33] <dvoid> is there any kde 4.0.80 packages available anywhere yet?
[01:34] <Jucato> dvoid: http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.05.28/hardy-kde-41-beta-packages-soon/
[01:35] <dvoid> Jucato, :) tanx
[01:40] <dvoid> to bad they are not avaiable yet though, i guess it takes some time to make the kde 4 packages play nice with kde 3?
[02:36] <lnxkde> guys
[02:36] <lnxkde> any iea when we will have a kde4.1 beta build for kubuntu?
[02:37] <Jucato> lnxkde: <Jucato> dvoid: http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.05.28/hardy-kde-41-beta-packages-soon/
[02:38]  * Jucato wonders if it can't be put on the topic :)
[02:38] <Jucato> (or maybe it's in the #kubuntu-kde4 topic)
[02:38] <lnxkde> lol
[02:38] <lnxkde> sorry
[02:38] <lnxkde> but KDE 4.1 look nice
[02:38] <lnxkde> :)
[02:39] <Jucato> s/look/is/
[02:41] <lnxkde> :)
[02:50] <nixternal> hey, if you want to promote santiago-ve for Ubuntu membership, get in #ubuntu-meeting now and speak it loud!!!
[02:53] <santiago-ve> thanks nixternal
[02:53] <nixternal> everyone is prolly sleeping
[02:53] <jjesse> when are kde 4.1 packages going to land in ubuntu
[02:53]  * jjesse ducks
[02:53] <lnxkde> lol
[02:54] <bddebian> Right after the Hurd 1.0 release ;-P
[02:54] <jjesse> evening nixternal
[02:54] <jjesse> :)
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> kdelibs are already in the backports, but not much else afaik
[02:54] <Jucato> jjesse: http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.05.28/hardy-kde-41-beta-packages-soon/
[02:54]  * Jucato quacks
[02:54] <jjesse> Jucato: i know i read the blog entry'
[02:54] <jjesse> just being a bastard
[02:54]  * Jucato was also being a bastard :)
[02:54] <Jucato> hence the "quacks" :)
[02:54] <Jucato> (as a reference to "ducks")
[02:54] <jjesse> :)
[02:54]  * JontheEchidna was actually trying to be informative <.<
[02:54] <jjesse> morning Jucato btw
[02:54] <nixternal> Jucato: are you linking everyone who joins the channel to that?
[02:55] <Jucato> nixternal: everyone who asks
[02:55] <lnxkde> nixternal, u from illinois?
[02:55] <nixternal> I sure am lnxkde
[02:55] <nixternal> Chicago
[02:55] <Jucato> and for fun, I paste the names of those who asked. so by the end of the day, they'll know how many times it has been asked :)
[02:55] <Jucato> so the next one who asks will have "<Jucato> lnxkde: <Jucato> dvoid: http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.05.28/hardy-kde-41-beta-packages-soon/"
[02:55] <Jucato> oh wait...
[02:56] <Jucato> jjesse: <Jucato> lnxkde: <Jucato> dvoid: http://blog.nixternal.com/2008.05.28/hardy-kde-41-beta-packages-soon/
[02:56] <Jucato> there...
[02:56] <lnxkde> nice, I just saw my aunt that is from Chicago to
[02:56] <nixternal> were you up here in Chicago?
[02:56] <lnxkde> no he was here in Puerto Rico
[02:56] <lnxkde> :s
[02:56] <lnxkde> I am planning on going there soon though
[02:57] <lnxkde> but I need to work on my money gathering first lol
[02:57] <Jucato> "he"?
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> hey lnxkde, never seen you around....
[02:57] <lnxkde> me
[02:57] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: welcome to the Planet :)
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> thank you thank you
[02:58] <lnxkde> heh I have been here long time.... since the 6.06 days but I come and go
[02:58] <lnxkde> depends on my workload
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> at least you didn't make any embarrassing comments about how young I looked :P
[02:58] <Jucato> yeah he's a familiar git
[02:58] <Jucato> er.. nick
[02:58] <lnxkde> :s
[02:58] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: I was about to comment on your hair
[02:58] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: but how young/old are you?
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> 18
[02:59] <lnxkde> I am 21
[02:59] <Jucato> eeeek
[02:59] <Jucato> nixternal: you are getting old(er)...
[02:59] <Jucato> geeks are getting younger and younger
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> my brother... a Gentoo Developer, is 16
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> soo... yeah
[02:59] <Jucato> sh*t :/
[03:00] <lnxkde> hehe I satrted with linux in fall 2000 with the Mandrake 7.2 :D
[03:00] <bddebian> Screw all of you :)
[03:00] <lnxkde> lol
[03:00] <lnxkde> gentoo dev at 16 wow
[03:00]  * Jucato is almost 25... started w/ Linux only in 2006
[03:00] <Jucato> I basically didn't know of Linux until Dec 2005
[03:00] <lnxkde> but u a dev right?
[03:00] <Jucato> so-so :)
[03:01] <lnxkde> that is the important thing to contribute... I have done nothing....
[03:01] <Jucato> hehe true that :P
[03:01] <Jucato> ok.. I'm off for some dose of Windows-only gaming
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> I started using linux when I was like 8.... my dad has used it since the pre-1.0 days
[03:01] <lnxkde> nice
[03:02] <Jucato> lucky you
[03:02] <lnxkde> nixternal, so Chicago could tonight?
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> so if any of your see any bash scripts or such coming out of "me".... its really my dad ^_^
[03:02] <lnxkde> cold*
[03:02] <Jucato> I guess my particular situation wasn't really conducive for finding out about Linux early on
[03:03]  * santiago-ve ran out of cofee
[03:03] <santiago-ve> lol
[03:04] <lnxkde> :s
[03:05]  * lnxkde ran out of.... IDK
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> words... aparently
[03:05] <lnxkde> lol
[03:05] <nixternal> everyone welcome santiago-ve!!! he is a new Ubuntu Member!!!
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> whooo! hey santiago-ve!
[03:05] <Jucato> welcome santiago-ve
[03:05] <lnxkde> welcome
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> santiago-ve: what do you do?
[03:05]  * Jucato ran out
[03:07] <santiago-ve> nixternal, nosrednaekim, Jucato thanks!
[03:15] <vorian> w00 h00 santiago-ve
[03:15]  * vorian is late
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> santiago-ve: so what do you work on?
[03:16] <santiago-ve> hehe vorian better late than never tehy say
[03:16] <santiago-ve> nosrednaekim, what do you mean?
[03:17] <vorian> :)
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> what did you do to become a member? programming... user support...
[03:17] <santiago-ve> nosrednaekim, advocacy mostly~
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> ah ok, cool
[03:18] <effie_jayx> santiago-ve,  show me your intrepid pbuilder log
[03:18] <effie_jayx> santiago-ve, get hacking boyo
[03:18] <jjesse> you show me your pbuilder and i'll show you mine
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> so me your pbuilder.... and i'll show you yo mama's
[03:19] <jjesse> my moma is dead
[03:19] <jjesse> just kidding on that
[03:20] <jjesse> :)
[03:23] <jjesse> wow that caused the channel to go dead quite
[03:23] <jjesse> sorry bout taht
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> haha
[03:27] <jjesse> ;)
[03:27] <jjesse> oh well
[03:35] <nixternal> omg I am an idiot
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> ?
[03:36] <nixternal> I have been waiting to see kdepimlibs build on LP
[03:36] <nixternal> only problem
[03:36] <nixternal> I didn't upload to PPA just yet
[03:36] <nixternal> derr
[03:36] <nixternal> I was losing my mind looking for the damn package in the PPA
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> ok.. later guys
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> gotta go to bed early... job interview tomorrow
[03:41] <jjesse> good luck with the interview
[03:43] <nixternal> hehe, I have an interview tomorrow as well :)
[03:50] <vorian> uh oh
[03:51] <vorian> fail fail fail
[03:51] <jjesse> i didn't do it :)
[03:51] <vorian> pimlibs?
[04:18] <nixternal> ya, I killed pimlibs due to a bad copy/paste on a line break
[04:18] <nixternal> that is what I get for using Gnome
[04:20] <yuriy> :O
[04:20] <yuriy> !nixternal
[04:20] <yuriy> s/Vista lover/gnomey
[04:20] <nixternal> shush :p
[04:20] <nixternal> I like to build in gnome as I don't have to worry about my local stuff getting involved
[04:20]  * Jucato could probably now have a factoid about his XP gaming usage...
[04:20] <nixternal> a chroot on my system is just to slow when it comes to building
[04:21] <nixternal> Jucato: what game?
[04:21] <Jucato> Asian MMORPGs
[04:21] <Jucato> that don't run in Wine because of an "anti-hacking" tool GameGuard
[04:21] <Jucato> (stupid...)
[04:22] <Jucato> not only is it the only reason why these games don't run in Wine (they run w/o it), but it also gives "hacking" a wrong definition...
[04:22] <nixternal> go figure
[05:11] <flaccid> lets be revolutionary and make samba server install and config and option in the kubuntu installer and if yes ask to install minimal iptables! ?
[05:15] <santiago-ve> flaccid, you mean a ksystemconf module?
[05:16] <flaccid> im not sure what it would be, but the installer would ask if they want to install and setup samba if they say yes it will ask/setup iptables as well
[08:25]  * nixternal finally beds after a long day of kde*libs and wiki editing
[08:25] <nixternal> yay interview in a few hours!!!
[08:33] <Tm_T> yay
[08:39] <mhb> interview?
[09:29] <Tm_T> hi slougi
[09:29] <slougi> hi =)
[09:29] <slougi> was just wondering whether someone could help me confirm a bug in the systemsettings printer manager
[09:30] <slougi> i get the following when i select it:
[09:30] <slougi> QObject::connect: No such slot KMMainView::slotServerAccessConfigure()
[09:30] <slougi> QObject::connect:  (sender name:   'server_access_configure')
[09:30] <slougi> QObject::connect:  (receiver name: 'MainView')
[09:30] <slougi> and it doesn't work
[09:30] <slougi> (it fails to set up the print server connection or something)
[09:31] <slougi> adding a printer for example fails
[09:32] <Riddell> KDE 3?
[09:32] <slougi> yep
[09:33] <slougi> a bit miffed since i had to install gnome-cups-manager to configure the printer :)
[09:37] <Riddell> I don't have KDE 3 installed now, but I've not seen any problems with the printer module when I had
[09:37] <slougi> hmm. interesting, especially since this would be an actual bug in the c++ code rather than a config issue.
[09:59] <seezer> slougi: any special type of printer? installed one direct tcp and one shared cups printer without a problem with the current kde3 version (hardy)
[10:00] <stdin> slougi: I do see that
[10:00] <slougi> seezer: i tried installing an ipp printer. do you also get the connect error?
[10:01] <seezer> slougi: i'll verify after my doc visit
[10:01] <seezer> about an hour
[10:01] <slougi> ok
[10:02] <seezer> ah. i'll do it right now. did you call the manager from console or where do you get the errors listed=
[10:02] <seezer> s,=,?,
[10:03] <slougi> seezer: yeah, they go to stdout
[10:04] <slougi> i just ran systemsettings and selected printer
[10:04] <seezer> ok, verified ;)
[10:04] <slougi> cool ;)
[10:07] <seezer> but the printer removal&readd worked anyway
[10:07] <slougi> hrm
[10:07] <slougi> i'll get the exact error message, one moment
[10:08] <slougi> btw, after i click administrator mode and add->printer, the printer part locks up for a while
[10:08] <seezer> didn't use admin mode here
[10:09] <slougi> right
[10:09] <slougi> i thought that was needed to add printers, guess i was wrong
[10:10] <slougi> when i get to the printer test page and try to print a test page i get "Unable to create temprorary printer."
[10:10] <seezer> have to see my doc now. gonna be back in a while. see you then
[10:10] <slougi> ok
[10:10] <seezer> ah could be that i had that before - didn't try to print right now
[10:10] <slougi> when i click through to the end and press finish i get "Unable to create printer. Error message received from manager: The requested operation cannot be completed."
[10:10] <seezer> but perhaps admin mode _is_ needed
[10:11] <slougi> ok
[10:11] <seezer> ah ok didn't get that. added finally. but perhaps because the exact same printer (incl. name) existed before?
[10:11] <seezer> anyway, bbl
[10:12] <slougi> nope, different name
[10:12] <slougi> i got that even when i had no printers (apart from the default pdf etc.)
[11:57] <Hobbsee> nixternal: already responded, vistalover.
[12:41]  * Hobbsee wonders if we're actually going to have a release of konversation for intrepid.
[12:43] <jtechidna> ;.;
[12:47]  * jussi01 wonders why its so hard to find decent employees to do linux stuff ... in Finland
[12:48] <larsivi> anyone here having trouble with flash in konqueror on hardy? once interacting with the flash movie/app - it seems to grab enough of the input events to effectively lock the desktop
[12:48] <larsivi> after reinstalling konqueror-nsplugins yesterday, it worked better, but today it is back into a bad mode
[12:48] <Hobbsee> jussi01: well, because it's finland?
[12:49] <jussi01> Hobbsee: linux was born here... it shouldnt be hard to find people
[12:49] <Hobbsee> hmm, true
[12:56] <seezer> doesn't intrepid have kde4.1 beta packages?
[12:56] <seezer> or is there any ppa for those
[13:07] <stdin> seezer: partial, kde5libs, kdepimlibs and kdebase-runtime I think
[13:14] <seezer> stdin: alright, thanks
[13:17] <slougi> seezer: can you confirm the printer bug?
[13:20] <seele> Riddell: have the desktop meetings resumed this week?
[13:23] <Riddell> seele: no
[13:23] <seele> nixternal: i'm not sure i understand your banner
[13:23] <seele> Riddell: ok thanks
[13:23] <seele> nixternal: is the third row supposed to be at the top (so the IRC notice is in the middle) or is it the footer?
[13:38] <freeflying> anyone here in paris? :)
[13:41] <Riddell> tonio sometimes
[13:42] <freeflying> yes, but haven't seen him recently
[14:08] <a|wen> is kubuntu also released with 8.04.1 cd's ?
[14:11] <seele> ScottK: are you part of the MD Loco Team?
[14:26] <Riddell> a|wen: should do
[14:51] <seele> hum.. why was firefox uninstalled in the last update?
[14:57] <Hobbsee> seele: xulrunner-1.9 problems - some stuff didn't build.
[15:11] <a|wen> Riddell: okay, cool ... do we have any estimated time for when packages need to be in hardy-proposed to get into 8.04.1 ?
[15:13] <Riddell> a|wen: -updates is what's important
[15:13] <Riddell> not sure the exact date
[15:14] <a|wen> Riddell: okay ... just wanted to know, if i should get in a hurry soon, or if i still have a good amount of time
[15:17] <Riddell> a|wen: it's about a months time
[15:17] <Riddell> don't delay, best to get it in soon
[15:18] <a|wen> Riddell: okay, fine ... yeah, i know; just need the changes in intrpid first, but ScottK seems to have a lot over his ears atm.
[16:02] <yuriy> seele: i asked you about bug 226430 a few days ago and posted what you told me as a comment there, but the guy didn't like my response much, could you post a comment please?
[16:13] <nixternal> mornin'!!!
[16:16] <mhb> nixternal: what was that interview you mentioned?
[16:16] <nixternal> job interview today
[16:17] <seele> yuriy: sigh.  some people just can't let things go.
[16:18] <nixternal> seele: ya, pay no attention really to that front page...I can't figure out a decent portal like entrance..I just may toss up the more important information on the page and get rid of the little table at the bottom
[16:21] <seele> nixternal: ok.. my only concern was that you put information between two larger rows of data and that thin line of data is at risk for being missed :)
[16:21] <nixternal> ya, I was messing around trying to figure out what to put on that front page
[16:22] <nixternal> I think having the most important stuff right there in the readers face on the front page will probably be best
[16:28] <seele> hum.. i guess i could have changed the status too
[16:53] <yuriy> seele: "nor do I care how the workflow is being handled"? care for?
[16:57] <seele> yuriy: prefer?  like?
[16:57] <seele> yuriy: i think the logout workflow sucks?
[16:57] <seele> oh, yeah.. i guess "care for"
[16:57] <seele> should have probably proofread
[16:57]  * seele sighs
[16:57] <seele> and it's only noon
[17:27] <DRebellion> Hi, I'm creating a new package for intrepid that requires libqt4-dev version 4.4 to build. However, it is currently at version 4.3.4. Could anyone point me at some information as to when/if it will be upgraded? Thanks.
[17:28] <stdin> !info libqt4-dev intrepid
[17:29] <DRebellion> 0_o
[17:29] <stdin> I see 4.4 there
[17:29] <stdin> unless you're using hardy, then it's 4.3.4 (4.4 in -backports)
[17:30] <DRebellion> stdin, here, it says http://packages.ubuntu.com.cn/intrepid/libqt4-dev
[17:30] <DRebellion> 4.3.4
[17:30] <stdin> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/qt4-x11
[17:31] <stdin> packages.u.c can get out of date quite quickly this early in development
[17:31] <DRebellion> stdin, okay, I'll take your word for it, thanks.
[17:32] <stdin> yw :)
[17:34] <Riddell> DRebellion: 4.4 is also in hardy-backports if you're still on hardy
[17:35] <Riddell> DRebellion: let us know if/when you need a review
[17:35] <DRebellion> Riddell, ok thanks
[18:22] <smarter> hmm, is it really necessary that kdebase-workspace-dev depends on kde-icons-oxygen?
[18:54] <Riddell> when shall we three meet again?
[18:55] <Riddell> kubuntu meeting next wednesday at 22:00?
[18:55] <Riddell> smarter: any reason it shouldn't?
[18:55] <santiago-ve> Riddell: UTC?
[18:56] <Riddell> yes
[18:56] <smarter> Riddell: it's huge and I don't think apps really need it to build
[18:56] <yuriy> i was surprised wiki says not until June 30th
[18:56] <santiago-ve> 'kay
[18:56] <Riddell> yuriy: it does?
[18:56] <yuriy> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[18:56] <smarter> Riddell: is there a kde.mk for non-cmake kde4 apps?
[18:56] <yuriy> next wednesday sounds better :)
[18:57] <Riddell> that's ages away
[18:57] <Riddell> smarter: such things exist?
[18:57] <Riddell> nixternal: did you set that?
[18:57] <smarter> the Bespin style
[18:57] <Riddell> or was it apachelogger?
[18:58] <smarter> when are we going to switch to /usr ?
[18:58] <Riddell> smarter: just use /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools.mk  ?
[18:58] <Riddell> smarter: yes
[18:58] <Riddell> already have for kde4libs
[18:58] <smarter> ah, great
[18:59] <smarter> so I don't understand why it can't find kdecoration.h...
[19:01] <Riddell> smarter: it's in kdebase-workspace, which hasn't been uploaded yet
[19:01] <Riddell> only kdelibs has been uploaded, everything else is waiting on MIRs
[19:03] <seele> Next Meeting
[19:03] <seele> Location:  #ubuntu-meeting on IRC
[19:03] <seele> Date & Time: [WWW] Saturday June 30, 2008 22:00 UTC
[19:03] <seele> am i crazy or is June 30 a Monday?
[19:04] <yuriy> so it is.
[19:08] <Riddell> nixternal: if next wednesday at 22:00 is ok with you please add to fridge
[19:09] <smarter> Riddell: ok, thanks
[19:09] <smarter> Riddell: are the packages already available in a PPA or somewhere else?
[19:10] <Riddell> smarter: no, although if the delay goes on that might be a good idea
[19:27] <Riddell> sebas: my kde 4 port of guidance-power-manager is in extragear/utils now, ok if I delete the existing guidance/powermanager in there?
[19:27] <Riddell> kde4powersave in playground looks promising
[19:39] <yuriy> hmm none of the apport stuff at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs is integrated in Kubuntu is it
[19:40] <yuriy> graphical stuff that is
[19:41] <Riddell> yuriy: yes it is, although apport doesn't get used for most KDE apps since they have their own crash handler
[19:43] <yuriy> Riddell: the report bug things go to bugs.kde.org, and the crash dialogs don't have submit buttons iirc, at least not ones that go to apport/launchpad
[19:46] <Riddell> right, that's the KDE stuff
[19:46] <Riddell> non-kde apps will have th qt apport popup when they crash (if it's turned on)
[19:46] <yuriy> so there is no graphical way to report a KDE bug in launchpad
[19:48] <Riddell> no
[19:48] <Riddell> on the whole I'm happy having it point to bugs.kde.org, since most of our bugs should be upstream issues
[19:48] <yuriy> I want to make a Kubuntu version of that page, but it'll be command line stuff and other more complicated procedures like saving the kcrash file and attaching it
[20:40] <LaserJock> Riddell: did you sync openbabel for Kalzium?
[20:54] <Riddell> LaserJock: mm hmm
[20:55] <LaserJock> Riddell: ok, so is it going to dep on it or Recommends?
[20:55] <LaserJock> Riddell:  I was just chatting with Avogadro people and they mentioned it
[20:56] <Riddell> LaserJock: depends
[20:58] <LaserJock> Riddell: ok thanks. I'll have to make sure the other openbabel dependent apps work out
[21:46] <yuriy> wow writing wiki pages is a lot of work. props to nixternal