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| === mrevell__ is now known as mrevell | ||
| === danilo__ is now known as danilos | ||
| === EdwinGrub is now known as EdwinGrubbs | ||
| === cprov is now known as cprov-out | ||
| kiko | harken all | 18:59 |
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| Rinchen | well, let's see if mootbot has recovered | 19:00 |
| Rinchen | I think it hasn't | 19:00 |
| gmb | 10:1 against. | 19:00 |
| Rinchen | #startmeeting | 19:00 |
| Rinchen | right then, I know seeker's been working on it | 19:00 |
| * gmb wins | 19:00 | |
| matsubara | me | 19:00 |
| Rinchen | Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating Launchpad development. | 19:00 |
| abentley | me | 19:00 |
| mrevell | me | 19:00 |
| Rinchen | Roll Call | 19:00 |
| mrevell | me | 19:00 |
| gmb | me | 19:00 |
| sinzui | me | 19:00 |
| Rinchen | me | 19:00 |
| barry | me | 19:00 |
| bac_ | me | 19:00 |
| bigjools | me | 19:01 |
| allenap | me | 19:01 |
| statik | me | 19:01 |
| adeuring | me | 19:01 |
| jt1 | me | 19:01 |
| === jt1 is now known as jtv | ||
| jtv | me | 19:01 |
| mthaddon | me | 19:01 |
| flacoste | me | 19:01 |
| matsubara | me | 19:01 |
| thumper | me | 19:01 |
| herb | me | 19:01 |
| kiko | eu | 19:01 |
| Rinchen | SteveA, danilos ? | 19:01 |
| leonardr | me | 19:01 |
| mpt | meme | 19:01 |
| Rinchen | schwuk, ? | 19:01 |
| jtv | Rinchen: just pinged danilos | 19:01 |
| mpt | me | 19:01 |
| schwuk | me | 19:01 |
| mars | me | 19:01 |
| Rinchen | ah mpt, are you here for the full meeting? | 19:02 |
| SteveA | me | 19:02 |
| BjornT | me | 19:02 |
| flacoste | salgado is on leave, Foundations is complete | 19:02 |
| mpt | Rinchen, I think so | 19:02 |
| Rinchen | k | 19:02 |
| Rinchen | thanks flacoste | 19:02 |
| Rinchen | releases is here | 19:02 |
| mpt | I just love you guys too much | 19:02 |
| Rinchen | rockstar, ? | 19:02 |
| rockstar | me | 19:02 |
| BjornT | Bugs is here as well. intellectronica is on leave | 19:02 |
| Rinchen | cprov-out, ? | 19:02 |
| Rinchen | muharem is not here today with a hall pass | 19:03 |
| cprov-out | me | 19:03 |
| Rinchen | ok, let's get going | 19:03 |
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| Rinchen | Agenda | 19:03 |
| Rinchen | * Next meeting | 19:03 |
| Rinchen | * Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
| Rinchen | * Oops report (Matsubara) | 19:03 |
| Rinchen | * Critical Bugs (Rinchen) | 19:03 |
| EdwinGrubbs | me | 19:03 |
| Rinchen | * Bug tags | 19:03 |
| Rinchen | * Operations report (mthaddon/herb) | 19:03 |
| Rinchen | * DBA report (stub) | 19:03 |
| Rinchen | * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) | 19:03 |
| Rinchen | * New packages required (salgado) | 19:03 |
| Rinchen | * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) | 19:03 |
| Rinchen | * Doc Team report (mrevell | 19:03 |
| Rinchen | * Numbered experiments and [WWW] https://launchpad.canonical.com/Experiments (kiko) | 19:03 |
| Rinchen | 19:03 | |
| Rinchen | Next meeting | 19:03 |
| Rinchen | same time, same place, June 5th? | 19:04 |
| kiko | +1 | 19:04 |
| Rinchen | Anyone know they will be absent? | 19:04 |
| Rinchen | ok. If you find out later, please update the agenda | 19:04 |
| Rinchen | 19:05 | |
| Rinchen | Actions from last meeting | 19:05 |
| Rinchen | 19:05 | |
| Rinchen | None remaining open | 19:05 |
| Rinchen | 19:05 | |
| Rinchen | Oops report (Matsubara) | 19:05 |
| matsubara | Today's oops report is about bugs 235818, 200572 | 19:05 |
| SteveA | I'll be absent | 19:05 |
| matsubara | danilo, #235818 is for you. Are you going to re-enable relicense translations | 19:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 235818 in rosetta "Relicense translations link broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/235818 | 19:05 |
| matsubara | in an RC? If not, can you disable the link for the second rollout? | 19:05 |
| ubottu | matsubara: Bug 200572 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/200572 is private | 19:05 |
| matsubara | flacoste, any news about 200572? | 19:05 |
| === Rinchen changed the topic of #launchpad-meeting to: Launchpad Meeting Grounds | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | ||
| SteveA | actually, I'll be absent for 2 meetings in a row | 19:05 |
| matsubara | danilos: ^ | 19:05 |
| flacoste | matsubara: no | 19:06 |
| matsubara | flacoste: should I add that exception to the "User generated errors" section? | 19:06 |
| jtv | matsubara: danilos may be having system problems again. | 19:06 |
| matsubara | jtv: ok. I'll chase him after the meeting then. thanks | 19:07 |
| flacoste | matsubara: if you can identify them reliably, i guess so, i don't think we have time for this before 2.0 | 19:07 |
| kiko | matsubara, the first one, for danilo, is already fixed in RF, just landed. | 19:07 |
| matsubara | thanks kiko | 19:07 |
| matsubara | flacoste: ok. I'll give it try. thanks | 19:08 |
| matsubara | anything else shows up in the oops report today, and I'll follow up directly with people | 19:08 |
| matsubara | I'm done Rinchen | 19:08 |
| Rinchen | Thanks matsubara | 19:08 |
| Rinchen | 19:08 | |
| Rinchen | Critical Bugs (Rinchen) | 19:08 |
| Rinchen | 19:08 | |
| matsubara | thanks everyone | 19:08 |
| kiko | matsubara, I don't see any issue with moving that into UGE | 19:08 |
| Rinchen | It seems that we've talked about everything on my list or it has been fixed (thanks flacoste) so I have nothing for this week. | 19:09 |
| matsubara | kiko: ok. I'll do that | 19:09 |
| Rinchen | 19:09 | |
| Rinchen | Bug tags | 19:09 |
| Rinchen | 19:09 | |
| Rinchen | We have 2 | 19:09 |
| Rinchen | https://help.launchpad.net/TaggingLaunchpadBugs | 19:09 |
| Rinchen | matsubara, bughistory | 19:09 |
| Rinchen | we'll start with yours first | 19:09 |
| matsubara | hmm ok | 19:10 |
| matsubara | it's a tag to handle all bugs related to our +bug-activity page | 19:10 |
| kiko | +1 | 19:10 |
| matsubara | actually it's +activity page | 19:10 |
| matsubara | and given the number of examples, I think it's worth to have it. | 19:10 |
| Rinchen | could we make that generic enough to handle blueprint histories when we get them? | 19:10 |
| Rinchen | perhaps just "activity" | 19:11 |
| kiko | Rinchen, no. | 19:11 |
| Rinchen | or "activityhistory' | 19:11 |
| kiko | no | 19:11 |
| matsubara | Rinchen: I'd rather keep it bughistory | 19:11 |
| kiko | they are completely unrelated -- there is no shared code or anything | 19:11 |
| flacoste | well | 19:11 |
| mpt | Eventually they might be shared code | 19:11 |
| mpt | but not in the short term | 19:11 |
| flacoste | one doesn't exists | 19:11 |
| matsubara | and then change the meaning to history-logging or whatever when we get there | 19:11 |
| flacoste | so i think it's premature | 19:11 |
| Rinchen | Sure, I'm ok with all of that. | 19:12 |
| Rinchen | Wanted to make sure we thought about it. | 19:12 |
| mars | are the issues we will be tagging data integrity bugs, UI bugs??? | 19:12 |
| Rinchen | BjornT, your comments? | 19:12 |
| SteveA | how about "activitypage" ? | 19:12 |
| mpt | I disagree with having "page" in the tag name | 19:12 |
| mpt | because one of the bug reports is about not showing activity on a separate page at all :-) | 19:12 |
| kiko | bughistory | 19:12 |
| kiko | this is not about generic activity pages | 19:12 |
| BjornT | Rinchen: +1 | 19:13 |
| kiko | it's about not or incorrectly recording bug history | 19:13 |
| matsubara | yeah, i agree with mpt | 19:13 |
| Rinchen | ok, we have 2 plus 1s for bughistory | 19:13 |
| Rinchen | any against? | 19:13 |
| mpt | I'm fine with bugactivity or bughistory | 19:13 |
| Rinchen | 3 vs 0 | 19:13 |
| Rinchen | ok, approved. | 19:13 |
| Rinchen | matsubara, please update that page | 19:13 |
| Rinchen | kiko, announcements | 19:13 |
| kiko | project-announcements maybe? | 19:14 |
| kiko | I dunno | 19:14 |
| matsubara | will do as soon as we reach an agreement for the second tag | 19:14 |
| matsubara | Rinchen: ^ | 19:14 |
| kiko | I know there are a few bugs related to that and we can't group them easily | 19:14 |
| mpt | Is there likely to be any other kind of announcement? | 19:14 |
| Rinchen | bac, your comments? | 19:14 |
| kiko | mpt, well, hmmm | 19:14 |
| kiko | not sure | 19:14 |
| Rinchen | In this case, I'm +1 for this tag which I won't go into here | 19:15 |
| mpt | I guess the bet is, will any other kind of announcements be introduced *and* need its own tag, before mass tag-renaming is implemented :-) | 19:15 |
| kiko | I'm +1 too | 19:15 |
| kiko | just not sure about the name | 19:15 |
| mpt | If not, it can just be "announcements" | 19:16 |
| kiko | but this is a specific feature, project and distro announcements | 19:16 |
| kiko | I feel announcements is a bit too generic a term | 19:16 |
| Rinchen | kiko, project-announcements ? | 19:16 |
| kiko | but that's a mild feeling not a strong thing | 19:16 |
| kiko | that's what I suggested | 19:16 |
| kiko | <kiko> project-announcements maybe? | 19:16 |
| Rinchen | ok, 2 for that. Any objections? | 19:16 |
| matsubara | if we're sticking a project- on it how about project-news ? | 19:16 |
| kiko | sure | 19:17 |
| Rinchen | yeah, I'm ok with that as well | 19:17 |
| bac_ | i'd stick with announcements since that's what they are called in the UI | 19:17 |
| kiko | -news is so much shorter.. okay, whatever, official-bug-tags will solve that eh BjornT :) | 19:17 |
| kiko | project-announcements it is | 19:17 |
| kiko | matsubara, ko do it! | 19:17 |
| * Rinchen doesn't tend to get obsessive with the names so long as they don't exclude anything we want to include or are insanely long. | 19:17 | |
| matsubara | ok. thanks everyone | 19:18 |
| Rinchen | ok, approved. | 19:18 |
| Rinchen | kiko, please ensure that page is updated. | 19:18 |
| Rinchen | 19:18 | |
| Rinchen | Operations report (mthaddon/herb) | 19:18 |
| Rinchen | 19:18 | |
| herb | It's been a pretty quiet week. We needed to restart codebrowse/loggerhead a couple of times due to memory utilization. We discussed this last week and I believe mwhudson is aware of the issue. | 19:18 |
| herb | Rolled out 1.2.5 yesterday. Went smoothly with 25 minutes of downtime. To the best of my knowledge we haven't heard anything about a re-roll. Will there be a re-roll with this release and, if so, when? | 19:18 |
| flacoste | herb: how is the memory usage of the app servers been going since the max batch size fix? | 19:19 |
| * Rinchen notes we should call the 2nd roll-out something other than re-roll :-) | 19:19 | |
| herb | flacoste: we haven't had to restart them. they still grow, but the systems haven't been swapping. | 19:19 |
| kiko | herb, there will be a re-roll, I was hoping for first thing tomorrow if that's ok with you? | 19:20 |
| barry | Rinchen: twotsee-roll | 19:20 |
| herb | kiko: no problem. sounds good. | 19:20 |
| mpt | rick-roll | 19:20 |
| Rinchen | I was thinking more like a polish-roll (and in Shiny not the country) :-) | 19:20 |
| kiko | I was thinking polish corridor | 19:20 |
| Rinchen | right, anything else for herb? | 19:20 |
| * barry likes polish-roll-the-country :) | 19:20 | |
| herb | Tha's it from Tom and me. Thanks. | 19:21 |
| Rinchen | thanks herb and mthaddon | 19:21 |
| Rinchen | 19:21 | |
| Rinchen | DBA report (stub) | 19:21 |
| Rinchen | 19:21 | |
| statik | not for herb specifically but I'm curious whether the bzr smartserver we are running now supports protocol3 | 19:21 |
| Rinchen | stub's not here | 19:21 |
| Rinchen | so I'll ask for the DBA report via email | 19:21 |
| kiko | statik, we are still on 1.3 on the codehost | 19:21 |
| statik | kiko: thanks | 19:21 |
| Rinchen | 19:21 | |
| Rinchen | Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) | 19:21 |
| Rinchen | 19:21 | |
| Rinchen | Is anyone blocked on an RT or have any that are becoming urgent? | 19:21 |
| kiko | jml wants to upgrade the codehost code but not bzr -- bzr will upgrade on monday in RF | 19:21 |
| statik | kiko: that will give us stacked branches and the new network protocol, eh? very exciting | 19:22 |
| Rinchen | ok, nothing heard...moving on | 19:22 |
| Rinchen | 19:22 | |
| Rinchen | New packages required (salgado) | 19:22 |
| Rinchen | * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) | 19:22 |
| Rinchen | er | 19:22 |
| kiko | statik, yes, very | 19:22 |
| Rinchen | salgado is not here | 19:22 |
| Rinchen | please talk to him if you have any packages that you need added | 19:22 |
| Rinchen | 19:23 | |
| flacoste | or me | 19:23 |
| Rinchen | top user-affecting issue (mrevell) | 19:23 |
| Rinchen | 19:23 | |
| mrevell | :) | 19:23 |
| mrevell | This week, the outstanding issue has been the on-going discussion on launchpad-users of how we work to prevent the use of Launchpad accounts for spamming purposes. | 19:23 |
| mrevell | However, as we're looking into solutions I'm not sure there's much to discuss here. Otherwise, it seems we've had a relatively quiet week, user-issues-wise | 19:23 |
| kiko | mrevell, Rinchen, SteveA and I had an interesting call about this | 19:23 |
| kiko | Rinchen, can you remind us of the interesting ideas SteveA had | 19:24 |
| Rinchen | there were to proposals | 19:24 |
| SteveA | we may end up doing what facebook does | 19:24 |
| kiko | there were from proposals too | 19:24 |
| kiko | right | 19:24 |
| SteveA | and using capchas for each and every interaction that causes information to be seen by other users | 19:24 |
| kiko | if you haven't validated you get captcha-annoyance at every step | 19:24 |
| SteveA | until someone validates their account | 19:24 |
| SteveA | and there may be many ways of validating an account | 19:25 |
| kiko | flacoste, you got that? it might be foundations 2.0+ | 19:25 |
| kiko | one way of validating an account is to sign the coc!! | 19:25 |
| SteveA | including associating it with a mobile phone sms number | 19:25 |
| * kiko snickers | 19:25 | |
| * Rinchen can't receive sms | 19:25 | |
| SteveA | or being part of the strongly connected GPG group | 19:25 |
| SteveA | or whatever | 19:25 |
| sinzui | Rinchen: That is sooooo 1990s | 19:25 |
| * Rinchen is part of a strongly connected GPG group. :-) | 19:26 | |
| mrevell | Would it be churlish to mention the stories of teams of people paid to fill-out captcha forms? | 19:26 |
| SteveA | Rinchen: then... YOU LOSE ;-) | 19:26 |
| Rinchen | sinzui, blame it on T-Mobile | 19:26 |
| kiko | I can receive sms but not from the USAAAA | 19:26 |
| kiko | mrevell, not for every single step, I doubt they do that | 19:26 |
| flacoste | my mobile is turned-off in a drawer unless i travel | 19:26 |
| Rinchen | anyway..... | 19:26 |
| kiko | the captcha farm myth probably only applies to account registration captchas | 19:26 |
| mrevell | Right | 19:26 |
| kiko | not for every step I take captchas | 19:26 |
| kiko | the police captchas | 19:27 |
| SteveA | every move I make capchas | 19:27 |
| Rinchen | So to recap, we have a few proposals that we are interested in evaluating further. | 19:27 |
| SteveA | we'll be watching you | 19:27 |
| bigjools | captcha in a bottle | 19:27 |
| kiko | that's so 1984 | 19:27 |
| mars | SteveA, the GPG web of trust tie-in is interesting | 19:27 |
| Rinchen | mrevell, anything else? SteveA, anything else? | 19:27 |
| flacoste | since most data is seen by other users, it's basically a captcha on every form... | 19:27 |
| kiko | mars, tie-in being a pun there? | 19:27 |
| mrevell | Rinchen: that's all from me, thanks | 19:27 |
| SteveA | nothing else from me | 19:27 |
| Rinchen | thanks | 19:28 |
| kiko | flacoste, yes, simpler that way too | 19:28 |
| Rinchen | Doc Team report (mrevell) | 19:28 |
| flacoste | LaunchpadEditForm-voodoo | 19:28 |
| kiko | doc team!!! | 19:28 |
| mrevell | Hello! | 19:28 |
| mrevell | Although the doc team meeting last week was a wash-out, we've had another member sign up and offer to do German translations! | 19:28 |
| mrevell | I'm particularly excited about that, but the chap does warn that he's a touch rusty. | 19:29 |
| mrevell | In other doc news: Had a useful meeting with Mark S and the SEM designer, Gavin, on Tuesday. Tour is progressing well. Thanks to those who've sent comments on the inner page graphics. | 19:29 |
| mrevell | Thanks also to those who've given comments on the release announcement. I'll deal with those after the meeting. | 19:29 |
| mrevell | Later today, Elliot and I will be recording episode 3 of the podcast. | 19:29 |
| mrevell | Thanks Rinchen | 19:29 |
| Rinchen | thanks mrevell | 19:29 |
| Rinchen | 19:30 | |
| Rinchen | Numbered experiments and [WWW] https://launchpad.canonical.com/Experiments (kiko) | 19:30 |
| Rinchen | 19:30 | |
| kiko | hello hello | 19:30 |
| SteveA | I like this | 19:30 |
| kiko | I put that wikipage up | 19:30 |
| kiko | because I'd like us to record the experiments we run | 19:30 |
| SteveA | thanks kiko! | 19:30 |
| kiko | and at least detail what the experiment is and what the outcome was | 19:30 |
| kiko | the experiments are sequentially numbered and it's FCFS based on wiki edit | 19:30 |
| statik | very nice | 19:30 |
| kiko | so if you want to, say, experiment by right-aligning all form elements in a specific launchpad form | 19:31 |
| kiko | (which is a pretty bad idea) | 19:31 |
| kiko | you add an entry to that page and call it experiment n+1 | 19:31 |
| kiko | where n is the last experiment recorded there | 19:31 |
| mpt | Result: mpt chased you with a cheese grater | 19:31 |
| Rinchen | I like this too. I'd like to request that the outcome be documented somewhere of course (on the wiki page associated with the experiment for example) | 19:31 |
| kiko | there you go | 19:31 |
| kiko | now I need a candidate to fill out LP001 | 19:31 |
| kiko | who's that gonna be | 19:32 |
| * Rinchen raises flacoste's hand. | 19:32 | |
| mars | kiko, I gather that's process experiments as well, like Foundations cycle planning? | 19:32 |
| kiko | mars, yes. | 19:32 |
| kiko | it's basically any experiment | 19:32 |
| Rinchen | I think flacoste could doc up planning poker :-) | 19:32 |
| flacoste | Rinchen: yeah, Foundations will come up with one, don't know it will be the first one though | 19:32 |
| flacoste | Rinchen: well, that experiment is over | 19:32 |
| kiko | you can do retroactive entries there too | 19:32 |
| Rinchen | :-) | 19:32 |
| flacoste | ah, then that could be it | 19:33 |
| Rinchen | I was going for something easy | 19:33 |
| kiko | there you go | 19:33 |
| kiko | please run experiments | 19:33 |
| kiko | and please record them there | 19:33 |
| kiko | experiments are fun and cheap | 19:33 |
| Rinchen | experimentation is good | 19:33 |
| Rinchen | so long as nobody gets hurt | 19:33 |
| Rinchen | kiko, anything else? | 19:33 |
| Rinchen | on this topic | 19:34 |
| kiko | no | 19:34 |
| Rinchen | k | 19:34 |
| Rinchen | I have a last minute addition | 19:34 |
| kiko | secret topic? | 19:34 |
| Rinchen | 19:34 | |
| Rinchen | 19:34 | |
| Rinchen | Storm n you (kiko) | 19:34 |
| Rinchen | 19:34 | |
| kiko | aha | 19:34 |
| kiko | I knew it! | 19:34 |
| kiko | so | 19:34 |
| barry | bigjools: did you want to bring up the big branch topic? | 19:34 |
| kiko | jamesh is struggling with quite a few of our tests | 19:34 |
| kiko | and has been so for the past week or two | 19:35 |
| kiko | I've asked him to do a full run of all tests and figure out how much is failing | 19:35 |
| kiko | but it is getting close to the point where I am going to move devel focus over to storm | 19:35 |
| kiko | this will make edge much less useful | 19:35 |
| SteveA | a bold move, kiko | 19:35 |
| SteveA | I support it | 19:36 |
| kiko | and also commits us to doing the work to make storm work in a very short period of time | 19:36 |
| kiko | so if you are a launchpad engineer | 19:36 |
| flacoste | why edge will be less useful? | 19:36 |
| kiko | and if you are a team lead | 19:36 |
| kiko | then you may need to prepare for a few days interruption to fix any remaining tests | 19:36 |
| barry | kiko: anything we can do to help? | 19:36 |
| kiko | barry, yes, very soon, fix the tests which fail with storm | 19:36 |
| barry | kiko: cool. that'll be fun | 19:37 |
| kiko | flacoste, because we'd not update edge until all the tests actually passed in-tree | 19:37 |
| * Rinchen questions barry's idea of fun. | 19:37 | |
| BjornT | kiko: do we have a list of tests that fail? | 19:37 |
| flacoste | i don't understand how this will work | 19:37 |
| kiko | this can be very disruptive; we're not sure how much, but if it's a mess we'll need to figure out what to do with 1.2.6 | 19:37 |
| flacoste | we'll close PQM? | 19:37 |
| mars | or we will focus PQM on Storm integration? | 19:37 |
| flacoste | i mean, the test suite pass or doesn't pass | 19:38 |
| flacoste | there is no way to land if the test suite doesn't pass | 19:38 |
| kiko | flacoste, no, but we'll either disable all failing tests and merge | 19:38 |
| mthaddon | I'm assuming we'd keep PQM open, but would be working on the storm integration branch instead of devel | 19:38 |
| kiko | or work on the storm integration branch | 19:38 |
| kiko | mthaddon, doesn't that require all tests pass? | 19:38 |
| mthaddon | kiko, it does, but it's up to you however many of the tests you want to enable - can do it progressively, or all at once | 19:38 |
| kiko | BjornT, not yet, but james will produce one. I'm hoping it's 30 not 150 | 19:39 |
| flacoste | kiko: if problematic tests are disabled to allow some merge to go, that doesn't help keep the focus on storm | 19:39 |
| kiko | if it's 150 then it's a no-go | 19:39 |
| kiko | so we'll see | 19:39 |
| kiko | mthaddon, gotcha | 19:39 |
| Rinchen | what I'm hearing is merging storm integration with devel and fixing it so everything passes. Until then, edge won't update. | 19:39 |
| kiko | flacoste, it's not "some merge" it's the storm merge onto RF | 19:39 |
| kiko | Rinchen, yes | 19:39 |
| Rinchen | a bold move indeed | 19:39 |
| BjornT | kiko: ok should we make an effort into finding performance regressions as well? | 19:39 |
| kiko | BjornT, yes, though to me that's second priority | 19:40 |
| flacoste | mars produced a script for that | 19:40 |
| BjornT | kiko: or rather, how much of an effort should we make | 19:40 |
| flacoste | but jamesh never give feedback on it | 19:40 |
| Rinchen | mars, I saw that spec and script. I meant to ask about that. | 19:40 |
| kiko | BjornT, it's serialized -- once your tests pass, you can look at that | 19:40 |
| mars | flacoste, yes, but it needs a kind soul to try it out | 19:40 |
| kiko | flacoste, I think jamesh is stuck before that point | 19:40 |
| flacoste | i don't think so, all page tests run | 19:40 |
| flacoste | and this analyze the log file of the page tests | 19:41 |
| kiko | doctests don't | 19:41 |
| BjornT | flacoste, mars: does the script use existing sample data? | 19:41 |
| kiko | flacoste, sure, but jamesh is only one bold soul | 19:41 |
| mpt | Would it make sense to have a ratchet, so that storm can land while tests are still failing, but you can't make any further landing that increases the number of failures? | 19:41 |
| mpt | that would help keep the focus | 19:41 |
| kiko | mpt, too complex to add at this point, though interesting | 19:41 |
| kiko | flacoste, he won't look at perf regress until he's got all the tests running | 19:41 |
| mars | BjornT, it compares the access logs for two runs, so you can benchmark storm-storm, or storm-trunk | 19:41 |
| kiko | anyway | 19:41 |
| kiko | I don't want to run overtime, but I also think we need to be serious about the move and help us acheive what we set out to do | 19:42 |
| kiko | storm is the future | 19:42 |
| flacoste | anyway, this introduce more uncertainty in the 1.2.6 planning | 19:42 |
| kiko | flacoste, yes, I noted that up-front. we have some buffer time. | 19:42 |
| flacoste | no we don't :-) | 19:42 |
| kiko | be brave! | 19:42 |
| kiko | we do at my discretion only ;-) | 19:43 |
| BjornT | mars: so i can create a bunch of data, access a few pages, and compare the result? | 19:43 |
| kiko | Rinchen, feel free to wrap up, people are going to start asking me complicated questions now | 19:43 |
| Rinchen | ok, time to wrap up now that the storm is over :-) | 19:43 |
| flacoste | BjornT: yes | 19:43 |
| mars | BjornT, yep | 19:43 |
| BjornT | cool | 19:43 |
| Rinchen | ok then... what an eventful chat | 19:43 |
| kiko | AH! | 19:44 |
| cprov | very cool ! | 19:44 |
| Rinchen | please ensure any of your absent team members read the log | 19:44 |
| kiko | one thing I can provide for you to look into | 19:44 |
| kiko | oh damn, it's in my xchat log | 19:44 |
| kiko | one sec | 19:44 |
| kiko | on devpad: ~jamesh/errors-systemdocs.txt | 19:44 |
| kiko | that's the failures accumulated in doc/* | 19:44 |
| mars | Rinchen, should we stick around after the meeting end to pepper kiko with questions? :) | 19:44 |
| Rinchen | mars, you can! | 19:45 |
| Rinchen | Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Developer Meeting. | 19:45 |
| Rinchen | == the end == | 19:45 |
| kiko | == snif == | 19:45 |
| Rinchen | on time photo finish | 19:45 |
| sinzui | _consider me gone_ | 19:45 |
| SteveA | thanks! | 19:45 |
| Rinchen | Ok __sinzui__ | 19:45 |
| mrevell | thanks | 19:45 |
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