[00:39] <RoAkSoAx> norsetto, any sign of nxvl?
[00:39] <norsetto> RoAkSoAx: nope
[00:40] <RoAkSoAx> norsetto, wierd!! he might be in a nice bridge since he does not give any signs of being alive!!
[00:41] <norsetto> RoAkSoAx: well, its almost 2am here, so I don't think he will phone soon, I think his flight is in few hours actually
[00:42] <RoAkSoAx> norsetto, i see... here is almost 7pm... and i was expecting him to be present at the Americas Membership meeting since i'm applying and he was supporting me... but well..
[00:43] <norsetto> RoAkSoAx: I guess he didn't find any internet café with Ubuntu computers ;-)
[00:43] <RoAkSoAx> norsetto, hahah yeah!! and neither a open wireless connection for his laptop... (here in my Perú you can find thousands since no one is aware of wireless security)
[00:44] <viperhoot> where you are nxvl... xS
[00:45] <norsetto> oh well, time to rest these poor bones
[00:46] <viperhoot> hahah
[01:04] <RAOF> Aha!  It's not my crypttab that's broken, it's the initramfs :)
[01:05] <RAOF> Ok, and maybe cryptsetup.
[01:05] <RAOF> Awkward.
[01:08] <kirkland> kees: fair enough, i'll bug you again if they haven't taken it by FF for Intrepid
[01:11] <kees> kirkland: yup, sounds totally right
[01:15] <nixternal> anyone in here want to attest at just how annoying RoAkSoAx is and think he should be an Ubuntu member, #ubuntu-meeting now :)
[01:15] <RoAkSoAx> nixternal, nxvl would but he is still in Europe :(
[01:15] <cody-somerville> lol
[02:29] <nhandler> I'm doing a merge on a package where the source directory is not in named in the format <sourcepackage>-<upstreamversion>. dpkg-source gives a warning about this. Should I rename the source directory, or should I leave it as it is?
[02:30] <ajmitch> ignore
[02:31] <persia_> nhandler: I'd keep the pattern used in the Debian package if they differ.  Otherwise, it's not important (except where you are the packager or maintainer).
[02:34] <nhandler> persia_: Ok, thanks for your help
[02:39] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:46] <TheMuso> Hey bddebian.
[02:52] <bddebian> Heya TheMuso
[05:11]  * persia_ notes that 744 packages currently appear on http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ if anyone wants to chase down build failures
[06:07] <siretart> ScottK: yes?
[06:08] <ajmitch> hello siretart
[06:08] <siretart> hi ajmitch
[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:11] <StevenK> dholbach: You sent a '.' to the xmms2 merge bug?
[07:12] <dholbach> StevenK: I sent the "Steve: can you please take a look at it?" unfortunately before I subscribed you to it
[07:12] <StevenK> But it's xmms2!
[07:12] <dholbach> errrr
[07:12] <dholbach> bug number?
[07:13] <dholbach> StevenK: ^
[07:13] <dholbach> nm, got it
[07:13] <StevenK> Trying to find it
[07:13] <dholbach> bug 178477?
[07:13] <dholbach> where's a "." there?
[07:13] <StevenK> Maybe that was Thunderbird being dorky
[07:13] <dholbach> I sent that on the bluez-utils merge
[07:14] <StevenK> Oh!
[07:14] <StevenK> Right
[07:14] <StevenK> Then I confused the two bugs
[07:14] <dholbach> alright
[08:00] <pochu> \sh: can you have a look at bug 198618? you removed some files in a previous upload for which people are complaining
[08:49] <pochu> stgraber: you should use '-s' with requestsync, as you need an ACK
[08:52] <Arby> pochu: you rejected my merge of kdmtheme, could you give me someidea what's wrong with it?
[08:53] <Arby> from the point of view of some one still learning just saying 'the debdiff looks wrong' doesn't tell me much
[08:53] <Arby> since I'm still learning what 'right' is supposed to look like
[08:55] <Arby> sorry forget link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdmtheme/+bug/227912
[08:56] <stgraber> pochu: oh right, forgot this option ...
[08:57] <stgraber> pochu: thanks for the ack
[08:57]  * highvoltage 
[09:00] <pochu> Arby: look at the beginning of http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14346701/kdmtheme_1.2.2-1ubuntu1.debdiff, you are removing changelog entries instead of adding them
[09:00] <pochu> Arby: basically I think you did 'debdiff new old' instead of 'debdiff old new'
[09:00] <pochu> Arby: also, please attach a debian->ubuntu debdiff, that's usually easier to review
[09:01] <pochu> Arby: sorry for not saying what was wrong, btw
[09:01] <Arby> pochu: no problem, just means I have to bug you here :)
[09:01] <Arby> at least that's an easy thing to fix
[09:01] <pochu> yeah
[09:02] <Arby> I thought you meant the actual content was wrong.
[09:02] <Arby> I'll fix it later (probably at weekend)
[09:02] <pochu> no, I haven't actually looked into it yet
[09:02] <Arby> I'm at work right now
[09:02] <pochu> Arby: ok, when you do it attach both a ubuntu->ubuntu and a debian->ubuntu debdiffs :)
[09:03] <Arby> pochu: ok, thanks for the feedback :)
[09:04] <AzaTht> how do you keep track of changes you make to debian packages?
[09:09] <pochu> AzaTht: mentioning them in debian/changelog
[09:22] <AzaTht> no, I meant more how to handle changes
[09:24] <pochu> AzaTht: ah, we merge our changes with the Debian package at the beginning of the development cycle (and we sync if possible)
[09:27] <AzaTht> ok
[09:27] <AzaTht> a pile of patched in an directory?
[09:27] <AzaTht> patches*
[09:58] <charliecb> hi
[09:59] <charliecb> is there any document which describes the process of syncing the debian-repos with the ubuntu-repos?
[09:59] <charliecb> i can't find some packages in the ubuntu-repos, but i find the package in the debian-repos..
[10:00] <charliecb> for example libjava-gnome-java or libjogl-java
[10:00] <dholbach> charliecb: if the package is not in Ubuntu yet it will be synced automatically in one of the auto-sync runs (if it's not in experimental)
[10:01] <dholbach> all packages with no ubuntu-local changes will be synced automatically until DebianImportFreeze
[10:01] <charliecb> dholbach: but i'm waiting since the beginning of intrepid and noting is synced.
[10:01] <dholbach> is it in non-free or contrib?
[10:01] <dholbach> in those cases it might need an explicit sync request, but I'm not sure
[10:01] <\sh> moins
[10:01] <dholbach> best to ask in #ubuntu-devel
[10:02] <charliecb> dholbach: one is in non-free, but one not.
[10:02] <siretart> libjava-gnome-java |    4.0.7-1 | intrepid/universe | amd64, i386
[10:02] <siretart> libjogl-java |    1.1.1-1 | unstable/non-free | source, all
[10:03] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess for explicit sync requests
[10:03] <siretart> so that one would probably need a manual sync request to get it into multiverse
[10:03] <charliecb> siretart: how do you search? i use packages.ubuntu.com and there i can't find both packages.
[10:03] <dholbach> hey luisbg
[10:03] <dholbach> Mr VJ :)
[10:03] <luisbg> hey dholbach :)
[10:03] <siretart> charliecb: I prefer rmadison(1) to do those searches. it supports multiple source using '-u ubuntu' or '-u qa' for debian
[10:04] <luisbg> it was awesome to vj with you guys spinning
[10:04] <siretart> charliecb: it is part of the 'devscripts' package
[10:04] <luisbg> dholbach, I want to do it again :)
[10:04] <dholbach> luisbg: same here - it was just awesome
[10:04] <charliecb> siretart: dholbach: ok. thank you
[10:04] <dholbach> charliecb: anytime
[10:04] <luisbg> dholbach, was your car toed after that?
[10:05] <dholbach> luisbg: no, on the sunday before when we went to see the club for the first time - we parked in the wrong spot
[10:05] <dholbach> luisbg: it was for "locals only"
[10:05] <luisbg> dholbach, :S
[10:05] <dholbach> 2000 ckz *RING*
[10:05] <luisbg> ouch!
[10:22] <huats> hey dholbach
[10:22] <huats> :)
[10:23] <dholbach> hiya huats :9
[10:43] <huats> does anybody can have a look at 180223
[10:43] <huats> I need some sponsoring there....
[10:44] <huats> yeah I mean bug 180223
[11:32] <huats> pochu: sure
[11:33] <huats> pochu: otherwise I won't ask for a sponsor :)
[11:33] <norsetto> huats!
[11:33] <huats> norsetto !!!
[11:33] <norsetto> huats!!!
[11:33] <huats> norsetto !!!
[11:34] <pochu> huats: I've seen many sponsorship requests lately that even failed to build, so nothing surprises me now ;)
[11:34] <pochu> pochu!
[11:34] <pochu> :)
[11:40] <huats> pochu
[11:40] <huats> !
[11:40] <huats> ;)
[11:41] <huats> it is not my kind :)
[11:41] <huats> (well I guess an error can happen but I use to test everything...)
[11:42] <huats> (and if I want to become a MOTU one day, I have to take great care of my sponsorhip requests.... so let's start from the beginning)
[11:44] <pochu> that's a very inteligent position :)
[11:44] <directhex> maybe a merge for something in main wasn't the best place to start a packaging career
[11:44] <slytherin> when is the next revu day?
[11:45] <directhex> oh, on a related note, what's the explicit policy regarding updates & backports for packages in main?
[11:45] <pochu> for backports, same as for universe
[11:45] <slytherin> !sru
[11:46] <pochu> slytherin: no idea, ask nixternal :)
[11:52] <directhex> backports are for "primarily desktop applications"?
[11:53] <slytherin> directhex: not necessary, as long as you follow the policy and jdong is willing to put effort you can request backport for any application. :-)
[11:55] <directhex> i'll wait until (if?) the intrepid package gets merged before i bug him
[12:13] <norsetto> huats: I have got some boring stuff you may want to help with?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> we're advertising boring stuff now?
[12:14] <norsetto> Hobbsee: marketing strategy
[12:15] <Hobbsee> norsetto: i figured, but do you think it'll work?
[12:15] <norsetto> Hobbsee: what you don't know is that I have a bottle of Armagnac on the other hand ...
[12:15] <Hobbsee> norsetto: ahhhh.
[12:16] <Hobbsee> norsetto: my Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ conquers it, like it does anything else, so i don't need to worry, but i see your point.
[12:16] <norsetto> !long-pointy-stick
[12:16] <norsetto> hmmmmm
[12:16] <Hobbsee> !Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™
[12:17] <Hobbsee> !hobbsee
[12:17] <norsetto> lol
[12:17] <Hobbsee> !-hobbsee
[12:19] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[12:21] <norsetto> heya sistpoty|work
[12:21] <sistpoty|work> hi norsetto
[12:22] <norsetto> ah, this place is so calm and relaxing without sebner
[12:23] <nhandler> Do you guys think that adding dh_icons is a big enough change to require a merge? Or should that change be dropped in order to do a sync?
[12:24] <norsetto> nhandler: has this been reported to debian?
[12:25] <nhandler> norsetto: The patch from the last Ubuntu version was submitted to Debian
[12:26] <sebner> norsetto: :( :( :( I'm here :P But I'm less stupid as you suggested ;)
[12:26] <sebner> hoi sistpoty|work
[12:26] <norsetto> nhandler: and? Do they give a reason for not including it?
[12:26] <sistpoty|work> hi sebner
[12:26] <huats> norsetto: sure
[12:26] <huats> if I can
[12:26] <norsetto> sebner: :-)
[12:27] <huats> sorry for the delay, I was away (I need some food :))
[12:27] <norsetto> huats: I thoughts so ;-) We are almost finished with the ocaml transition, all that is left is few packages which needs a rebuild test
[12:28] <huats> sure
[12:28] <huats> I'll have a look at it
[12:28] <huats> ...
[12:28] <huats> do you have any pointer ?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> they allow food in the dungeon?
[12:28] <norsetto> huats: you will find them in ubuntuwire, they show up as depends failed
[12:28] <huats> :)
[12:28] <huats> ok
[12:28] <huats> I will
[12:29] <huats> I'll have a look in the afternoon
[12:29] <norsetto> huats: sure, thanks for helping
[12:29] <huats> norsetto: my pleasure :)
[12:29] <norsetto> huats: and now I think _I_ go to eat something
[12:30] <Hobbsee> norsetto: how many bugs are still open?
[12:30] <Hobbsee> norsetto: nope, too many.  no food for you.  *cracks whip*
[12:30] <norsetto> Hobbsee: only about 50 000
[12:30] <Hobbsee> definetly too many.  fix the bugs instead of food.
[12:31]  * ajmitch is waiting for Hobbsee to fix the rest
[12:31] <ajmitch> surely you'll be leading by example
[12:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no, i lead by cracking the whip and such.
[12:33] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: anyway, quiet you, else i'll go back to handing you 10x diffs at a time for you to upload.
[12:33] <ajmitch> but you can upload them yourself!
[12:33]  * ajmitch has this wonderful mail folder called /dev/null
[12:33] <Hobbsee> i know, but it's more fun to make you do them.
[12:34] <ajmitch> good luck there
[12:34]  * norsetto <- food
[12:36] <\sh> phew
[12:37] <\sh> hard day
[12:39] <sistpoty|work> s/hard/hot/ for me *sweat*
[12:41]  * Hobbsee dumps the two of you in the ocean.
[12:41] <sistpoty|work> thanks, Hobbsee
[12:42] <Hobbsee> sistpoty|work: you're welcome.  cooler now?
[12:42] <sistpoty|work> indeed :)
[12:44] <nhandler> So norsetto, do you have an answer about whether or not adding dh_icons is significant enough to need a merge? Or should it be dropped for a sync?
[12:45] <Hobbsee> last i knew, it should be merged still
[12:47] <nhandler> Hobbsee: Ok, thanks. I'll upload the debdiff. Worst case scenario is that it isn't used, and the package is synced instead
[12:48] <Hobbsee> nhandler: it's a change which makes the gnome cache more efficient, so i don't think it's something that we want to get rid of
[12:48] <Hobbsee> nhandler: although a dh_iconcache --> dh_icons change is fine, fyi
[12:49] <nhandler> Hobsee: The actual change was adding dh_iconcache. I was told that it was obsolete (on a previous merge), so I replaced iot with dh_icons.
[12:50] <RainCT> (it doesn't only make it more efficient, but in some cases there are icons which aren't even shown if dh_icons isn't used)
[12:54] <nhandler> Hobsee: RainCT: Thanks for your help. I submitted a debdiff for the package
[12:54] <Hobbsee> RainCT: ah, i stand corrected.
[12:55] <RainCT> btw, needs-packaging bugs (which are being reviewed on REVU) shouldn't have u-u-s subscribed, or?
[12:55] <RainCT> (there are some in the sponsors queue)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> don't ask me, i'm not the head anymore :)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> check what the doc says
[14:31] <directhex> woo, won my gpl violation complaint
[14:34] <lukehasnoname> who was breaking it?
[14:34] <directhex> taiwanese tv card manufacturer Compro
[14:35] <lukehasnoname> rofl
[14:42] <pdlnhr1> can anyone explain why ff3 was removed this morning?  or point to a ticket giving a good reason.  if i remember the release notes for 8.04 firefox3 was part of the plan... .
[14:42]  * erUSUL joins pdlnhr1 in the question
[14:43] <erUSUL> and i add why the same happened to me with openoffice.org packages (among other things that went as dependencies)
[14:44] <soren> pdlnhr1: Removed?
[14:44] <pdlnhr1> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/804features/
[14:45] <pdlnhr1> yeah... firefox3 was removed this morning on update
[14:45] <dholbach> some translation pack packages are being held on my amd64 at the moment - if I'd dist-upgrade now, it's remove a bunch translation packages - is that the problem you're talking about?
[14:46] <soren> I didn't think update-manager would let you remove things..
[14:46] <dholbach> no, it shouldn't
[14:46] <soren> Oh, you're apt-get dist-upgrading?
[14:46] <pdlnhr1> soren: it came through as a partial-upgrade
[14:47] <pdlnhr1> nope... i clicked the little update icon in the corner
[14:47] <pdlnhr1> i am not the only one erUSUL had the same experience
[14:48] <erUSUL> dholbach: yeah a bunch of packages included firefox 3 and openoffice.org packages (with language packs and another related packages)
[14:49] <pdlnhr1> i thought ff3 was a feature of 8.04  which if i recall is LTS  which is why we waited to upgrade till now, and it took a while to get all the plugins working correctly again in ff and to have it just remove REALLY sucked...   just seems bad form to me
[14:49] <erUSUL> soren: if you accet the so called "partial upgrade" it will do
[14:49] <erUSUL> accept*
[14:49] <dholbach> what does    dpkg -l firefox    say?
[14:50] <erUSUL> dholbach: can i paste here¿?
[14:50] <dholbach> just the last line
[14:50] <pdlnhr1> http://pastebin.com/m535f62d4
[14:51] <dholbach> weird - it was really removed - very weird
[14:52] <pdlnhr1> i just d/l'd it to ~home/firefox and created a symlink   but till this is resolved... i can not let any of my devolpers upgrade their machines
[14:53] <dholbach> what happens if you run       sudo apt-get install firefox3   ? don't press enter - just see what the upgrader wants to do
[14:53] <pdlnhr1> E: Couldn't find package firefox3
[14:53] <dholbach> hu?!
[14:53] <dholbach> can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[14:53] <pdlnhr1> yup
[14:54] <pochu> pdlnhr1, erUSUL: are you running -proposed?
[14:55] <erUSUL> dholbach: sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0  just wroked !@#!@#
[14:55] <erUSUL> pochu: yep
[14:55] <pdlnhr1> http://pastebin.com/d244764b4
[14:55] <dholbach> erUSUL: which packages did it want to remove or change?
[14:55] <pochu> right, that's because xulrunner 3.0rc1 / firefox3.0 rc1 and many other packages have been updated there, and they weren't/aren't built yet
[14:55] <erUSUL> dholbach: know i only have to reinstall the language packas openoffice.org and what not :|
[14:56] <pdlnhr1> i am not anymore... because i don't want it to happen again.. but up to an hour ago i was running proposed
[14:56] <pochu> either don't update until it doesn't want to remove anything, or don't use -proposed :)
[14:56] <erUSUL> dholbach: hard to say or remember and i do not run "script" ...
[14:56] <dholbach> erUSUL: use         "gksu gnome-language-selector"         it should do it all for you
[14:56] <erUSUL> dholbach: i know... ;)
[14:56] <pochu> (or use update-manager)
[14:57] <dholbach> the problem with the language stuff in -proposed should be shaken out in some hours
[14:57] <dholbach> I'd suggest what pochu said
[14:57] <erUSUL> pochu: update-manager does remove the packages and the proposed packages that depend on other packages has to be uploaded at once if not people can not test the packages
[14:58] <pochu> erUSUL: oh, it removes packages? that's weird
[14:58] <erUSUL> pochu: it offers what it calls a "Partial Upgrade" and if you accept it removes the packages
[14:59] <pochu> ah, indeed
[14:59] <erUSUL> pochu: it is true that doing dist-upgrade just makes things worse :|
[14:59] <pdlnhr1> well... i guess it is a known issue now... not much i can do about it... ill have to wait till they re add it to the repos
[14:59] <pdlnhr1> but i won't be doing any updates on any of our developers machines for a while
[14:59] <pochu> luckily end users aren't supposed to use -proposed, and you guys know how to fix things :)
[15:00] <pochu> and this won't (shouldn't) happen in -updates
[15:00] <pdlnhr1> pochu:  yeah.. but it alows us to test out software and file bug reports
[15:00] <pdlnhr1> i guess it is a catch 22
[15:00] <pochu> pdlnhr1: right, I guess update-manager could be more verbose when it's going to remove packages...
[15:01] <pdlnhr1> pochu:  well... not much else to be said on the subject... thanks for letting me vent...  i will keep an eye out for it to be re added
[15:03] <erUSUL> pochu: it does says that it will remove packages but how do i know if that's a required step on the "Partial Upgrade" thing or is just a defect on update manager??
[15:04] <pochu> erUSUL: good point. I guess it could tell what packages it's going to remove. does that make sense?
[15:05] <pochu> erUSUL: so in this case you would have seen it was going to remove firefox and you would have canceled the update
[15:05] <pdlnhr1> pochu:  it tells you... but only after it had started the partial upgrade
[15:06] <pdlnhr1> personally.. i thought it was going to replace it with RC1
[15:06] <erUSUL> pochu: the fact is that i saw that it would remove this things but i though (and i guess i was not the only one) that the removing of this packages was a needed step on the "Partial Upgrade"
[15:08] <erUSUL> pochu: the gui of the partial upgrade is like the one you face on a dist-upgrade and in a dist-upgrade packages get removed . i just though that this was a similar case (packages will be removed and others newly installed)
[15:12] <pochu> erUSUL, pdlnhr1: ok, thanks for your feedback. I've told about this issue to the maintainer of update-manager and he can reproduce it, so hopefully he will be able to fix/improve it. I've also forwarded your commends to him
[15:13] <pdlnhr1> pochu:  thanks.... have a great day all....
[15:16] <erUSUL> pochu: thanks; much apreciated
[15:18] <huats> trying to build a java package, I run into "You must specify a valid JAVA_HOME or JAVACMD!"  while I use debuild -S -sa
[15:18] <huats> does anybody has faced that before ?
[15:21] <a|wen> huats: you probably use java in the clean target, and the java executable want's the JAVA_HOME env variable set
[15:23] <pochu> anybody using hardy + vinagre?
[15:24] <a|wen> how do i request a backport, if a small dependency change is needed in debian/controls ... do a normal backport request and attach the debdiff? and what should the version numbering then be?
[15:25] <huats> a|wen: it is using java in the clean target
[15:25] <pochu> a|wen: what's that change? maybe a backport of another package avoids needing to change it
[15:25] <huats> so I need to have JAVA_HOME set in my env ?
[15:27] <a|wen> pochu: it's libqt4-dev ... ahh, but I see that a correct version is already in backports, then it should be okay, or?
[15:28] <pochu> I think so
[15:28] <pochu> but I'm not a backporter :)
[15:28] <a|wen> huats: i should think so; are you running debuild using sudo, then that might be why you don't have it
[15:28] <a|wen> pochu: he :) ... do you know if the PPA's include backport packages, so I can test if it builds?
[15:29] <Hobbsee> a|wen: they don't.
[15:30]  * a|wen considers making himself a backport pbuilder to hardy
[15:31] <huats> a|wen: no
[15:31] <huats> a|wen: using my regular user
[15:32] <a|wen> huats: then you might have luck setting a JAVA_HOME env variable
[15:34] <huats> pochu: I have corrected the gnome-subtitles debdiff to include the maintener field
[15:34] <huats> ...
[15:34] <huats> a|wen: I'll do it
[15:39] <kirkland> So I merged the LTP package for Hardy, which has been orphaned by Debian.  A couple of Debian guys responded to a post of mine, asking if I would be willing/interested in taking over maintenance of the Debian.  What's involved with Debianizing an Ubuntu package?
[15:40] <james_w> kirkland: not a lot if it is already in Debian
[15:40] <kirkland> james_w: yup, already in Debian
[15:40] <kirkland> james_w: just several years out of sync with mainline
[15:40] <james_w> it's just a matter of watching over bug reports, packaging the new upstream releases and finding a sponsor for them.
[15:40] <kirkland> james_w: the Ubuntu one is several years more modern
[15:41] <james_w> ah, in that case testing the Ubuntu packages on Debian and getting a sponsor to push them back is probably a good start.
[15:41] <kirkland> james_w: my question is more about what I need to do to the Ubuntu package to prepare it for upload to the Debian repo
[15:42] <james_w> whatever it takes to make it work there :-)
[15:42] <james_w> some people would want to see a non-Ubuntu version number to sponsor it.
[15:42] <james_w> others would want no reference to Ubuntu in the changelogs, but that's a bit silly.
[15:43] <james_w> the other thing would be updating Maintainer: in debian/control to be you.
[15:43] <kirkland> james_w: okay, those 2 things are easy
[15:45] <james_w> the only other thing would be Debian policy things, but your changelog doesn't hint about anything bad in that area.
[15:45] <kirkland> james_w: right, okay
[16:03] <bobbo> dholbach: ping
[16:04] <lukehasnoname> pong
[16:04] <dholbach> bobbo: pong - about to leave in a bit though
[16:04] <bobbo> dholbach: it'll be quick :)
[16:04] <bobbo> dholbach: in Bug #195196, when i upload the fixed version should i upload a debdiff against the old Ubuntu version or the new diff.gz?
[16:05] <dholbach> bobbo: the .diff.gz should be enough
[16:05] <bobbo> dholbach: ok thanks :)
[16:05] <dholbach> rock on
[16:10] <herzi> dholbach: ping
[16:11] <dholbach> herzi: pong
[16:11] <herzi> dholbach: any chance to call you on the phone for ~20mins?
[16:15] <lukehasnoname> Bug #205815
[16:20] <lukehasnoname> If someone could fix that
[16:20] <lukehasnoname> or tell me how to >_>
[16:24] <devfil> lukehasnoname: mono-gmcs is reccomended
[16:24] <lukehasnoname> I see that. Do recommended packages get isntalled by default?
[16:24] <slangasek> Laney: I have no attachments to the pdns merge, you're welcome to it
[16:24] <lukehasnoname> Because the compiler is rather necessary
[16:25] <devfil> lukehasnoname: ok, I will fix the bug
[16:27] <lukehasnoname> devfil: I appreciate it. Also, I just discovered how you right click in Synaptic to see recommended/suggested packages
[16:28] <devfil> lukehasnoname: I can use debconf to ask if user want to install gmcs or not, I think this is the best think to do
[16:29] <lukehasnoname> Eh, I suppose that does maximize user control. I personally can't see why someone would want the IDE without the *only* compiler for the language.
[16:29] <lukehasnoname> C# in this case
[16:30] <devfil> lukehasnoname: you're right
[16:34] <lukehasnoname> Don't quit on me, roak
[16:34] <RoAkSoAx> ?
[16:36] <lukehasnoname> RoAkSoAx quit ("Leaving")
[16:37] <RoAkSoAx> lukehasnoname, closed by mistake my xchat app :P
[16:38] <lukehasnoname> ah
[16:39] <jpds> lukehasnoname: has to show off his new cloak
[16:39] <jpds> ;-)
[16:39] <RoAkSoAx> jpds, hahaha lol :P didn't recognize you with that nickname :P
[16:40] <jpds> RoAkSoAx: heh.
[16:40] <RoAkSoAx> xD
[16:40] <lukehasnoname> xchat, hmmm
[16:41] <lukehasnoname> I use pidgin on my linux machine, and mibbit.com on my work machine
[16:44] <kirkland> can someone refresh the REVU uploaders keyring ?
[16:45] <jpds> kirkland: one moment please
[16:46] <jpds> kirkland: Done.
[16:46] <kirkland> jpds: gracias!
[16:47] <jpds> kirkland: De nada.
[16:49] <emgent> heya
[16:56] <devfil> lukehasnoname: I added a debdiff to the bug
[16:59] <bddebian> Heya gang
[16:59] <Iulian> Hello bddebian.
[16:59] <sistpoty|work> hi bddebian
[17:00] <bddebian> Hi Iulian, sistpoty|work
[17:11] <kirkland> who owns http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/index.py ?
[17:11] <kirkland> very minor feature request for http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/lostpw.py
[17:11] <kirkland> gpg -d <<EOT ; echo
[17:11] <kirkland>  .....
[17:12] <kirkland> could use an EOT at the end of that page
[17:12] <jpds> kirkland: best ask RainCT about changes
[17:12] <kirkland> such that the copy and paste works completely
[17:12] <kirkland> RainCT: ^^^
[17:12] <kirkland> otherwise, it's a kickass lost-password process ;-)
[17:13] <jpds> kirkland: Yep, I wish other sites did exactly the same
[17:13]  * RainCT reads the log
[17:13] <jpds> however they don't ask for keys.
[17:14] <kirkland> jpds: true.  for the gpg-savvy among us, there are directories like pgp.mit.edu
[17:14] <DRebellion> I am making a new package for intrepid, which depends on libqt4-dev version 4.4. However, the intrepid package is only 4.3.4. Not sure where to go from here, any pointers?
[17:14] <RainCT> kirkland: true.. thanks for the notice :)
[17:14] <kirkland> RainCT: you bet, nice job.
[17:15] <kirkland> mathiaz: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=ubuntu-virt
[17:15] <kirkland> soren: also, you might have a look at my REVU for the ubuntu-virt-* metapackages: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=ubuntu-virt
[17:22] <RainCT> kirkland: done
[17:22] <RainCT> sistpoty|work, siretart: shout if you don't like the change :P
[17:22] <kirkland> RainCT: cool, thanks
[17:24] <RainCT> (^ those are the real REVU devs, btw; I joined the team recently)
[17:24] <mok0> ScottK: hello
[17:25]  * sistpoty|work hides
[17:25] <sistpoty|work> thanks RainCT :)
[17:25] <DRebellion> Does anyone know of anywhere I could get some information about when/if it will be upgraded?
[17:26] <RainCT> heh, sure thing :)
[17:26] <Amaranth> DRebellion: Try asking in #kubuntu-devel
[17:26] <DRebellion> Amaranth, ok, will do.
[17:27] <siretart> RainCT: sounds good, go ahead!
[17:28] <jpds> siretart: (I think he has done it) ;)
[17:30] <siretart> great
[17:41] <yannick> Hi, is there someone willing to help me to build ekiga SVN on lpia arch? -> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1977524&group_id=204472&atid=989748 packs here: https://launchpad.net/~sevmek/+archive
[17:55]  * sistpoty|work heads home
[17:55] <sistpoty|work> cya
[18:04] <lukehasnoname> does packages.ubuntu.com get updated automatically?
[18:04] <lukehasnoname> or is it a static page?
[18:07] <stdin> lukehasnoname: I can't imagine someone sitting there and updating all the pages manually, so I'd say it's reads some sort of database that get's updated at intervals
[18:07] <RainCT> lukehasnoname: I think it's static but it's being automatically updated periodicallu
[18:07] <mok0> On the websites, python-numeric and python-numarray both state to be superseded by NumPy. Is it Ubuntu policy to allow the deprecated modules as (possible) replacements for Numpy??
[18:07] <RainCT> (but I don't really know so don't trust me too much)
[18:08] <Zelut> I'm currently building a package with CDBS and I have a app.install and app.docs.
[18:08] <Zelut> if I want to add two scripts to /etc/acpi/{battery.d,ac.d} should those be added to app.install?
[18:08] <RainCT> Zelut: yes
[18:09] <Zelut> RainCT: can you point me to anything regarding app.*? ie; what other app. options are there?
[18:10] <pochu> look at dh_* manpages
[18:10] <pochu> e.g. dh_install, dh_installdocs...
[18:10] <RainCT> Zelut: app.manpages for instance
[18:10] <Zelut> I think that is the last thing I need to complete my package, is man pages..
[18:11] <RainCT> Zelut: (and for other ones do what pochu just said.. but iirc there aren't many more)
[18:11] <Zelut> RainCT: does app.manpages use the same format as app.docs? as in just list the files, not the destinations?
[18:11] <RainCT> Zelut: yes
[18:11] <RainCT> Zelut: btw, if the source does only produce one binary package you don't need the app. prefix
[18:11] <Zelut> ok, I guess I need to finish building the man page and I may have a package for submission for Intrepid
[18:12] <lukehasnoname> rainct thanks
[18:14] <RainCT> lukehasnoname: no, thank *you* for your feedback :)
[18:14] <Zelut> on a somewhat related note to the /etc/acpi/ question.  Does anyone know the order of upstart/rc.d vs /etc/acpi, etc?
[18:18] <Zelut> mainly I want to make sure the init script created by the package will not run after the acpi events, ya know
[18:26] <mathiaz> kirkland: and I'm not sure you need the uploaders field in the control file.
[18:26] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay
[18:27] <kirkland> mathiaz: leave it out entirely?
[18:27] <kirkland> mathiaz: I was following a couple of other metapackages i found
[18:27] <nxvl> kirkland: http://www.googlubuntu.com/
[18:27] <nxvl> kirkland: is that almost like the search engine you wrote?
[18:27] <kirkland> nxvl: yeah, looks similar
[18:27] <nxvl> kirkland: (btw, you have a lot of picture to upload)
[18:27] <kirkland> nxvl: you still in Paris?
[18:27] <nxvl> nop
[18:28] <nxvl> i'm back in Prague
[18:28] <kirkland> nxvl: oh, dude, please please please tell me you picked up my camer?
[18:28] <nxvl> camera?
[18:28] <kirkland> nxvl: shite
[18:28] <nxvl> you lost it?
[18:28] <nxvl> if you want i can ask in the hotel
[18:28] <kirkland> nxvl: yeah, remember we were hanging out on Friday night around the piano?
[18:28] <kirkland> nxvl: please do
[18:28] <nxvl> (or you call and i go and pick it up)
[18:28] <nxvl> oh
[18:28] <nxvl> yes i saw it
[18:28] <kirkland> nxvl: red jacket, and black Kodak camera
[18:28] <nxvl> and left the bottle of pisco in there for you
[18:28] <kirkland> nxvl: :-)
[18:29] <Zelut> RainCT: if I'm adding files to /etc/acpi should I add acpi-support as a depends?
[18:29] <kirkland> nxvl: anyway, please, please ask at the hotel for it
[18:29] <nxvl> i thought you will be back to pick your stuff
[18:29] <nxvl> ok
[18:29] <nxvl> i will try to go there
[18:29] <nxvl> or al least call
[18:29] <kirkland> nxvl: many, many thanks.
[18:29] <kirkland> nxvl: i'm trying to find an email address for a manager there, no luck yet
[18:29] <kirkland> nxvl: I asked on checkout, but i didn't get much help, it was really busy
[18:30] <nxvl> kirkland: http://towers.corinthia.cz/hotel/en/contacts/
[18:30] <kirkland> nxvl: wow, how did you find that?
[18:30] <kirkland> :-)
[18:31] <nxvl> kirkland: go to the web page, and click in "contacts" in the bottom of the page
[18:31] <kirkland> nxvl: jeez, i swear i looked for that...  anyway
[18:31] <nxvl> heh
[18:31] <kirkland> nxvl: yeah, that search engine is very similar
[18:31] <kirkland> nxvl: i'll note that it does support the filters/refinements like mine does
[18:31] <nxvl> when you are desesperate you never find whet you look for
[18:32] <kirkland> nxvl: yeah, i'm pretty desperate about getting my pictures off of that camera
[18:32] <kirkland> nxvl: i'm even willing to forgo the camera at this point, if i can at least get the pictures off of it
[18:32] <RainCT> Zelut: possibly, but I don't really know
[18:33] <nxvl> my flight leaves tomorrow at 2:40, so i will try to at least call
[18:33] <nxvl> kirkland: if you have news send me an email if i'm not here
[18:33] <kirkland> nxvl: thanks, i'm emailing them now
[18:34] <Zelut> is this anything to worry about? (debuild output:)
[18:34] <Zelut> dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of '99-origami-ac.sh' will not be represented in diff
[18:34] <Zelut> dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of '99-origami-battery.sh' will not be represented in diff
[18:34] <nxvl> btw
[18:34] <nxvl> i saw a photo of me sleeping that day
[18:34] <nxvl> :@
[18:35] <geser> Zelut: if it's important that those files are executable make sure they get their x bit back in debian/rules
[18:35] <kirkland> nxvl: um, i think we call that "passed out" in english :-)
[18:36] <Zelut> geser: I'm using CDBS so all I have in my rules is filename destination/directory ..
[18:37] <Zelut> geser: it does not complain about the other files that are being put in place in usr/bin..
[18:38] <geser> then you can probably ignore it
[18:38] <nxvl> kirkland: i was just sleeping there because i offer my bed to some guy because i was leaving at 3 am
[18:46] <Zelut> can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong to get this error in uploading to PPA?
[18:46] <Zelut> MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive
[18:46] <Zelut> this is a -0ubuntu2 updated package
[18:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: so should I fix those two things and upload an update to REVU?
[18:47] <geser> Zelut: did you used an different .orig.tar.gz than for -0ubuntu1?
[18:48] <Zelut> geser: I didn't think so, but I'm going to go back and check..
[18:48] <kirkland> mathiaz: any other feedback while I'm making changes?
[18:52] <Zelut> geser: that must have been it. accepted now.
[19:02] <zul> kirkland: can we write a driver that sends a small shock through the internet maybe even an RFC
[19:10] <kirkland> zul: sounds intriguing!
[19:31] <sebner> mok0: ehm. how can I attach icon at the wikipage?
[19:54] <bobbo> is there any documentation on Watch files? I cant find any on the wiki
[19:55] <slytherin> bobbo: which wiki?
[19:56] <thekorn> bobbo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#head-50e9a6c8dba7adaa78d9903fa13d4513f32e290c
[19:56] <Iulian> bobbo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/DebianWatch
[19:56] <bobbo> slytherin: was talking about the Ubuntu Wiki, but im obviously blind :D
[19:56] <bobbo> thanks thekorn Iulian LD
[19:56] <mok0> sebner: In that little pull-down menu
[19:57] <Iulian> bobbo: It's the same page. :)
[19:57] <slytherin> bobbo: in case you don't find the page matching to search term you should do full text search
[19:57] <hoahn> ..
[19:57] <Iulian> Or google it should be good as well.
[19:57] <norsetto> bobbo: re watch files for sf.net, pls. have a look at the uscan man page ;-)
[19:59] <norsetto> bobbo: if you need help, let me know
[19:59] <bobbo> norsetto: thanks a lot :)
[19:59] <norsetto> bobbo: no, thanks to you for your help
[20:00] <mok0> sebner, pull down menu at the top called "More Actions:"
[20:02] <emgent> norsetto: o/
[20:02] <norsetto> emgent: X/
[20:03] <emgent> woow, new style?
[20:03] <norsetto> somebody ought to tell Canonical employees to not use xls attachments ....
[20:04] <emgent> hahhaha
[20:05] <sebner> mok0: thx
[20:05] <sebner> norsetto: wth?
[20:17] <kirkland> kees: hey, so I installed Debian unstable in a KVM, and dgot the Ubuntu ltp sources
[20:17] <kirkland> kees: I fixed up the debian/changelog, bumping up the version, and noting the migration from Ubuntu to Debian
[20:18] <kirkland> kees: and I fixed the control file, setting the maintainer to myself (as the previous maintainer is AWOL)
[20:18] <kirkland> kees: I'm testing a build in the Debian KVM now
[20:19] <kirkland> kees: and I'll follow that up with a test run
[20:20] <kirkland> kees: once those two are a-okay, I assume I need to build a signed source package and put them somewhere that the debian guys can get them?
[20:21] <slytherin> kirkland: what are you trying to do exactly?
[20:21] <kirkland> slytherin: the ltp package in Debian has been orphaned
[20:21] <kirkland> slytherin: i merged Ubuntu's ltp package up to semi-current upstream release for Hardy
[20:22] <slytherin> kirkland: so you are trying to to get Ubuntu's package in Debian?
[20:22] <kirkland> slytherin: well, it's more like i'm offering to take over maintainership of the Debian package
[20:22] <slytherin> kirkland: Ok.
[20:23] <kirkland> slytherin: and starting that out by updating the Debian unstable ltp package to something more modern, based on the work i already did for the ubuntu package
[20:23] <kirkland> slytherin: which is 2+ years newer than the newest debian ltp package
[20:24] <slytherin> hmm
[20:24] <kirkland> slytherin: i got a pair of emails from Debian saying "This package has been orphaned. If you still want to collaborate, please
[20:24] <kirkland> prepare an upload for Debian and take over the package's maintenance.
[20:24] <kirkland> "
[20:26] <slytherin> kirkland: Ok. I was just confused what were you trying to do. By the way you can simply create a pbuilder chroot for debian instead of installing Debian in kvm
[20:26] <kirkland> slytherin: right, i keep around a nice selection of interesting KVM's anyway ;-)
[20:28] <kees> kirkland: an orig+dsc+diff should be fine.
[20:29] <kees> kirkland: you'll also want to toss the Ubuntu changes, and make sure it's "Debian only" changelog items.
[20:29] <kees> kirkland: (the idea being to get a "clean" version into Debian)
[20:32] <kirkland> kees: hmm, i looked at the changelog and I figured that Debian would want all of the fixes that you and i added in the hardy release cycle
[20:32] <kirkland> kees: those changes are of value to debian-and-debian-derivatives, IMHO
[20:37] <kees> kirkland: right, I don't mean remove the details, I mean swap things around so there isn't an Ubuntu revision listed.  Just roll everything up into a new single debian changelog
[20:37] <kees> *changelog entry
[20:37] <kirkland> kees: ah, gotcha
[20:37] <kirkland> kees: okay, i just made one new one at the top saying that
[20:37] <kirkland> kees: i can collapse the top 3 then into one
[20:43] <RainCT> OT, does someone know of an easier way to communicate with a process than dbus?
[20:45] <geser> RainCT: what kind of communication? would fifos work for your purpose?
[20:46] <RainCT> sending strings to it
[20:46] <joaopinto> use a regular UNIX IPC mechanisms
[20:47] <joaopinto> named pipes, sockets, message queues...
[20:48] <RainCT> ok, I'm reading about that IPC things. thanks
[21:01] <kirkland> kees: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/ltp.debian/
[21:01] <kirkland> kees: changelog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/ltp.debian/ltp-20080229/debian/changelog
[21:02] <mok0> sebner: I don't see your icons...
[21:03] <kees> kirkland: changelog is missing the -2.1 upload
[21:04] <kees> kirkland: you can also add "New upstream release (Closes: #420148)." to the changelog
[21:04] <sebner> mok0: I let it resize first ..
[21:05] <kirkland> kees: -2.1 upload?
[21:05] <kees> and "take over maintainership (was orphaned) (Closes: #470091)"
[21:05] <kirkland> kees: good point on the (Closes: #xxx)
[21:05] <kees> kirkland: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/ltp/current/changelog
[21:05] <kees> 2.1 NMU on May 9th
[21:06] <nxvl> kees: did you received your signeg key by mail?
[21:06] <kees> nxvl: haven't seen anything, no
[21:07] <nxvl> ok
[21:07] <nxvl> i will upload it directly i need to tune my laptop :S
[21:08] <nxvl> uploaded
[21:08] <nxvl> kees: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x1FFF4BA917063E6D
[21:08] <kees> nxvl: cool
[21:09] <kirkland> kees: oh, crap, i neglected that entirely
[21:09] <norsetto> DktrKranz: do you know what happened to rospozoppo?
[21:10] <DktrKranz> norsetto, he's busy with university, I guess. Long time no see him :(
[21:10] <norsetto> DktrKranz: indeed, too bad he is not interested in Ubuntu anymore
[21:11] <DktrKranz> do you miss his .desktop changes? :)
[21:13] <norsetto> DktrKranz: not really, they are all coming back as merges now ...
[21:13] <DktrKranz> heh, need a hand to report back to debian/upstream?
[21:14] <norsetto> DktrKranz: neah, they are good to keep for new contributors
[21:14] <norsetto> hint hint
[21:16] <DktrKranz> new contributors, please ping norsetto to receive sponsorship for such merges, he has lot of experience ;)
[21:16] <norsetto> DktrKranz: I'll be happy to sponsor those ONLY if they are reported back to Debian
[21:17] <kirkland> kees: whats the best recommended method to wedge those -2.1 changes in?
[21:17] <kirkland> kees: merge first?
[21:17] <mok0> norsetto, are you a DD?
[21:18] <DktrKranz> norsetto, IIRC, I asked him (and some who contributed in a similar way) to do the same, it's a shame to diverge from "mama" for that
[21:18] <norsetto> mok0: a destroyer? No I'm simply a TB (tug boat)
[21:18] <mok0> norsetto: .-P
[21:18] <mok0> norsetto: I take that as a "no" :-)
[21:18] <kirkland> kees: those -2.1 changes are against 20060918
[21:19] <kirkland> kees: the current package I'm working on is 20080229
[21:19] <kees> kirkland: sure -- but you'll need to make sure that a) the missing changelog appears in your changelog, b) whatever they fixed is fixed in your package too.  :)
[21:19] <DktrKranz> Debian Destroyer?
[21:20] <norsetto> DktrKranz: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/shusn-no/dd-no.htm
[21:22]  * mok0 likes DD-1 :-)
[21:22] <mrevell> nixternal: hey, got a moment?
[21:23] <DktrKranz> norsetto, 404
[21:23] <mok0> Yeah that server is s..l..o..w!
[21:23] <mok0> It got motu'd
[21:24] <norsetto> mok0, DktrKranz: us navy stuff ;-)
[21:24] <DktrKranz> military secrets?
[21:24] <mok0> norsetto: ah, you mean they can't afford a decent server :-)
[21:24] <DktrKranz> we are allies, c'mon guys... let me see!
[21:24] <norsetto> mok0: not after scottk left them
[21:26] <mok0> norsetto: yeah all the good stuff is probably in his basement
[21:26] <DktrKranz> any core-dev sponsors around?
[21:27] <norsetto> mok0: :-)
[21:28] <mok0> DktrKranz: try -devel
[21:28] <DktrKranz> low traffic in there :)
[21:29] <mok0> DktrKranz: there you are. core-dev's are 9-5 people :-)
[21:30] <ajmitch> and it's not yet 9am here :)
[21:30] <DktrKranz> heh
[21:30] <norsetto> mok0: with a looong midday pause
[21:31]  * DktrKranz will apply for core-dev, but before... need to finish U.S. White House 2008 campaign successfully
[21:32] <DktrKranz> vote for me, please!
[21:32] <mok0> DktrKranz: you mean you're running for President?
[21:32] <DktrKranz> mok0, I'm not running, I'll kidnap candidates and I'll become the One without too much trouble
[21:33] <mok0> *pling* lamps light up at the NSA computer center
[21:34] <DktrKranz> I own NSA, we have root privileges on their systems, they do large use of Universe repository :)
[21:34] <DktrKranz> mostly amule, they have bandwith :P
[21:34] <mok0> DktrKranz: heh heh
[21:35]  * mok0 wanders if Obama uses Ubuntu!
[21:35] <DktrKranz> let me see popcon
[21:35] <mok0> we should send him a free CD ;-)
[21:35] <norsetto> mok0: don't think so, a good USA president will stand by USA industry monopoly ....
[21:35] <DktrKranz> clinton uses it
[21:36] <DktrKranz> bill, at least :)
[21:36] <DktrKranz> RSM for President!
[21:36] <mok0> RSM?
[21:36] <DktrKranz> Stallman
[21:36] <smarter> DktrKranz: RMS then
[21:36] <DktrKranz> I just switched some letters :)
[21:37] <DktrKranz> smarter, exactly :P
[21:37] <smarter> ;)
[21:37] <mok0> A man with tresses in his beard still does not have a chance...
[21:38] <mok0> Anyway, RMS doesn't use Ubuntu
[21:38] <DktrKranz> which one? hurd?
[21:38] <mok0> I guess
[21:39] <mok0> correction: I guess not. It doesn't work
[21:39] <mok0> :-)
[21:39] <mok0> Actually, he may use Gobuntu
[21:39] <pwnguin> it works fine as long as you dont want drivers or filesystems bigger than 2GB ;)
[21:39] <pwnguin> i cant see him not using hurd
[21:39] <pwnguin> eating dogfood and whatnot
[21:40] <pwnguin> besides, gnewsense actually does things
[21:40] <mok0> gnewsense?
[21:41] <pwnguin> ...
[21:41]  * mok0 googles
[21:42] <bimberi> !gnewsense
[21:42] <mok0> Ain't that Gobuntu?
[21:42] <bimberi> mok0: It pre-dates gobuntu iirc
[21:43] <mok0> At least it's not gnonsense lol
[21:43] <bimberi> hehe, a play on 'nuisance' methinks
[21:43] <mok0> hehe
[22:17] <ajmitch> hi
[22:17]  * ajmitch can finally sit down at the keyboard for more than 2 minutes :)
[22:17] <kirkland> kees: okay, ltp builds now, merged changes from -2.1 release
[22:17] <kirkland> kees: change log at http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/ltp.debian/ltp-20080229/debian/changelog
[22:17] <kees> kirkland: \o/
[22:17] <kirkland> kees: everything here http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/ltp.debian/
[22:18] <kirkland> kees: so reading mentors.debian, it looks like something similar to our REVU
[22:18] <kees> kirkland: cool, once you've got it up on mentors, let me know, and I can poke at it with my DD hat on.  Yeah, it's very similar.
[22:18] <kirkland> kees: it looks to be more for new packages, rather than an updated package
[22:18] <kees> kirkland: it's for updates too
[22:18] <kirkland> kees: but i'll push it anyway
[22:18] <kirkland> kees: okay
[22:18] <kirkland> kees: i have an account now
[22:44] <kirkland> kees: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/maintainer-packages?action=details;package=ltp
[22:45] <kirkland> slangasek: i created lp:~kirkland/grub/grub.32216, applied my patch, committed locally, but the bzr push won't take
[22:46] <kirkland> bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[22:46] <kirkland> slangasek: let me try the bzr+ssh method....
[22:46] <slangasek> kirkland: you'll have to switch it to bzr+ssh first before you can push, yes
[22:46] <kirkland> slangasek: ah, sorry
[22:47] <kirkland> the new lp: syntax in launchpad is not very copy-and-paste friendly :-(
[22:48] <kirkland> for pushing anyway
[22:49] <james_w> kirkland: run "bzr lp-login" and it should all work
[22:50] <kirkland> james_w: No Launchpad user ID configured.
[22:50] <kirkland> james_w: something missing in .bazaar/bazaar.conf ?
[22:51] <james_w> kirkland: "bzr lp-login kirkland" sorry
[22:51] <james_w> or rather your real user id.
[22:51] <kirkland> james_w: thanks
[22:51] <james_w> kirkland: bzr 1.4 (intrepid has 1.5) tries to warn you about this.
[22:51] <kirkland> james_w: thanks
[22:51]  * slangasek glares at his computer for suddenly becoming reluctant to spawn new processes
[22:54] <a|wen> slangasek: hit pid_max? ;)
[22:57] <kirkland> slangasek: sorry, just realized I switched channels on you (again) .... lp:~kirkland/grub/grub.32216
[23:02] <slangasek> a|wen: a little hard to say
[23:03] <slangasek> responsiveness of existing processes is also far below what it seems it ought to be given the load average
[23:03]  * ajmitch must get some flash-blocking addon for firefox, this site is killing my laptop
[23:03] <kirkland> slangasek: I found a "propose for merging" link, so I did that ;-)
[23:05] <a|wen> slangasek: you could check if your number of processes gets close to 32K, then it could be it ... but must admit, that it is a rare case :)
[23:09] <slangasek> kirkland: sounds good :)
[23:14] <slangasek> a|wen: 178 processes
[23:15] <a|wen> slangasek: that definately leaves some room to the 32K ... i think you're right about the load average
[23:23] <LaserJock> siretart: still up?
[23:24] <slangasek> a|wen: and I meant that it was a little hard to say because it's hard to check the process count when shells are going dead on me left and right :P
[23:25]  * a|wen wonders what  slangasek does to run his box that hard :P
[23:34] <a|wen> night people