/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/05/29/#ubuntu-ops.txt

Picignomefreak: great, thats exactly what info I wanted.00:00
gnomefreakPici: but yes i believe we have it on 2 PPA's atm00:00
Picignomefreak: I just wanted something to tell people who ask00:00
gnomefreakPici: we have mozillateam PPA and fta's PPA both have latest and greatest as snapshots are released00:00
gnomefreakPici: tell them to see us in #ubuntu-mozillateam or bug 23392200:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 233922 in yelp "[new-upstream] Firefox 3.0 RC1 is available" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23392200:01
gnomefreak:)00:01
gnomefreakI have my hands full with extensions, sunbird, flash10 atm00:01
gnomefreakah yay pushing libflashsupport to hardy PPA :)00:02
gnomefreakmaybe it was intrepid fail to build and hardy was deps werent finished00:03
* gnomefreak hopes perl is fixed00:06
mneptokany IRC Council folks about?00:21
mneptokand what fellow ops are awake?00:22
PiciI guess I'm awake00:22
mneptoki'm up for Ubuntu membership in ~35m in #ubuntu-meeting. if anyone thinks i'm deserving, i'd love some support.00:24
jribif I'm not out getting my food, I'll be there mneptok00:25
PiciI'll go get my cheerleader outfit00:25
mneptokthnaks :)00:25
jribare we cheering /for/ him?00:25
mneptok"thanks," too00:25
mneptokjrib: i don;t care, as long as there are cheerleader outfits00:25
jribmneptok: I have a feeling that they aren't going to get to you today01:23
mneptokwe shall see01:26
* jrib watches users earlier on the list mysteriously disappear01:26
mneptoka couple are missing01:28
Seeker`mneptok: you been yet?01:49
mneptokSeeker`: no sah01:49
mneptokwell that sucked ass03:23
tritium?03:23
Seeker`didn't they get to you?03:23
mneptokno03:23
jribmneptok: don't worry, you're in member in my eyes03:23
mneptokand i just blew off work for 2.5 hours for nothing.03:23
mneptokwhich means i make up that work from home tonight. which i would have done gladly if it had been for a good reason.03:24
jribs/in/a03:24
Myrttimneptok: thats about what I felt on Tuesday06:27
Myrttimneptok: *patpat*06:27
ubottuIn ubottu, calcmandan said: !scrot is a simple screen capture utility using imlib2. Scrot has a few options, detailed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/scrot07:15
ubottumagnetron called the ops in #ubuntu (krishandsen)08:28
MyrttiGary: which one will we leave?08:29
Garyhehe, leave the ban, remove my mute?08:29
GaryI like mutes though08:30
Garyor remove both :p08:31
Garyahh cunning08:31
Myrttivery08:32
quadrisprohi all!08:54
quadrisprocan I have a cloak? :)08:54
quadrispromy LP account -> https://launchpad.net/~quadrispro08:55
fdeHello... should the 'compiz' factoid really contain info about Xgl still? I'm fairly sure that project is dead....09:11
fdeAlso, is there a channel for the wiki team? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager should probably be changed...09:12
bazhangholycow bears watching09:16
quadrisprohi bazhang09:18
quadrisprowhat is the procedure to get a cloak?09:19
bazhangquadrispro, you need to go to #freenode for that09:19
quadrisprobazhang: ah ok! ;)09:19
fdequadrispro: Go to #freenode and ask a staffer ...09:19
fdequadrispro: you must have a registered nick, and assign an e-mail to that account... also you should have another nick linked to the main account so that you have something to fall back on if your main account wasn't disconnected correctly.09:20
bazhangquadrispro, is there anything else? please see the /topic in here.09:20
quadrisprofde: I'm a Ubuntu member, in this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Cloaks there's written another thing..09:21
quadrisproah ok09:21
quadrisproanyway I'm joining #freenode, thank u ;)09:22
fdequadrispro: Ahh, yes the Ubuntu specific cloak is slightly different... what I speak of will get you a cloak similar to what I have now.09:22
quadrisprooh I understand, ok :)09:22
bazhangfde is there something else?09:23
fdebazhang: Not currently... I was just waiting for any kind of feedback, usually someone responds to my requests for bot changes09:24
bazhangfde you can /msg the bot and it will be taken care of.09:25
fdebazhang: Is this your way of saying get out of the channel?  :P09:25
fdebazhang: I would rather discuss the change before I formally suggest it is all...09:26
quadrisprook... I've assigned an email to my account09:26
bazhangfde please read the /topic thanks.09:26
quadrisprobazhang: can u help me? :)09:26
fdebazhang: I have, many times... I'm not idling though...09:26
bazhangquadrispro, this for an unaffiliated cloak?09:27
quadrisprobazhang: no... ubuntu cloak09:27
fdebazhang: If no one replies in the next 15 mins with something related to my inquiry, I will leave... but I'd like to give them time to respond if that's ok?09:27
bazhangquadrispro, are you a channel operator?09:28
quadrisprobazhang: for #ubuntu-it-doc09:28
quadrisproitalian locoteam09:29
bazhangquadrispro, then likely the best place would be #ubuntu-irc afaik09:29
quadrisproah ok!09:29
quadrispro;)09:29
quadrisprobye bazhang, thank u09:30
fdebazhang: No one appears to have any feedback, so I will request the change with ubottu ... do you know where I would request changes to help.ubuntu.com pages by chance? They aren't publicly changeable afaik, only wiki.ubuntu.com is09:35
bazhangfde best to submit factoids to the bot rather then come here each time; not sure about the wiki--I will have a look around and message you when I find something. :)09:37
fdebazhang: Alright thanks... note it is a help.ubuntu.com page, not a wiki page... I have a wiki account, so I can edit normal wiki pages myself... much appreciated though  :)09:37
bazhangholycow was asked to stop with the aggression against other users several times; in PM (mediation) let loose with a string of invectives, then quit.09:39
ubottuIn ubottu, fde said: compiz is Compiz (compositing window manager) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion (reasoning: Xgl is currently unmaintained upstream, being replaced by Xglx)09:39
stdinbtw, help.ubuntu.com is a wiki09:52
ompaulkeep an eye on #ubuntu need to run10:44
ompauljust check my last ban10:44
jussi01ompaul: will do10:47
nakedgoatwanna take off the *fah*10:57
nakedgoatand the nakedgoat10:57
nakedgoatthx10:57
jussi01nakedgoat: no, not at the moment10:57
nakedgoatcan i have a reason?10:58
jussi01nakedgoat: ban evasion is a severe offence10:58
nakedgoatasides?10:58
nakedgoaty was I banned?10:58
jussi01nakedgoat: so you dont understand why you were banned in the first place=?10:58
nakedgoatcorrect?10:58
nakedgoatI agree with the bann evadde10:59
jussi01!guidelines | nakedgoat10:59
ubottunakedgoat: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines10:59
nakedgoatyeah10:59
nakedgoatthat too I was not here.10:59
jussi01nakedgoat: please have a read of those10:59
nakedgoatcan I please have a straight answer10:59
nakedgoati will leave.10:59
nakedgoatk10:59
jussi01swearing and other offensive language10:59
nakedgoat?10:59
nakedgoatI was not here do u have logs?11:00
nakedgoatI went to the store.11:00
nakedgoatask any op.11:00
jussi01[12:42:48] <nakedgoat> cracky there is 2 ways, remove (purge) and reinstall xorg11:00
jussi01[12:42:56] <nakedgoat> or fucking do what I said11:00
jussi01[12:43:01] <netron1234> sajuuk=>  apt-get install youtube-dl11:00
jussi01[12:43:06] <nakedgoat> lord_spidey : lick my balls?11:00
nakedgoathehehe yeah I said lick my balls11:00
nakedgoatthat was me.11:00
nakedgoatsorry.11:01
nakedgoatI'm out.11:01
nakedgoatdo ya have a length?11:01
jussi01nakedgoat: you need to keep the channel family friendly11:01
nakedgoator would u pref me not to be here.11:01
nakedgoatjussi01 : I know.11:01
nakedgoatWas me I agree.,11:01
jussi01nakedgoat come back tomorrow and we will reconsider - if you dont ban evade anymore11:01
jussi01and make sure you have read all this:11:02
jussi01!ettiquette11:02
ubottuUnsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubottu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !PM, !English - And most importantly, use common sense...11:02
nakedgoatIknow the rules.;11:02
nakedgoati run a bsd channel11:02
jussi01nakedgoat: ok, well we will see you again tomorrow then11:02
nakedgoatit was my bad.11:02
nakedgoatk11:02
nakedgoatsorryagain11:02
nakedgoatthat was uncalled for.11:02
jussi01Ok, see you tomorrow.11:03
stdinat times like this, I'm happy to _not_ be an #ubuntu op :)11:03
jussi01sigh11:04
Myrttistdin: you can have mine?11:04
stdinMyrtti: that's ok, you do such a good job I would never dream of depriving #ubuntu of your glory11:05
stdin:)11:05
jussi01PriceChild: thanks for sorting that out - hope I prepared them correctly for you :)11:07
PriceChildjussi01: no problem, and yes thanks11:07
PriceChildjussi01: I can't put `s in cloaks though, and ubuntu likes to require the freenode recommended way of setting up nickname for an unaffiliated cloak, which means styx` has had to choose an alternate as master.11:08
jussi01PriceChild: oh. Ok then.11:08
stdinisn't that what the /x-???????? bits of cloaks are for?11:09
PriceChildBut that's ugly :)11:09
stdinyep, it is :p11:09
PriceChildand not needed on project cloaks11:09
PriceChildi don't want styx (someone else) to become a member, and for them to get the same cloak though11:10
Seeker`PriceChild: I hgave to change my nick if I becomed a member?11:11
PriceChildthe system is a bit odd11:11
PriceChildperhaps lp.net/~thisbithere would be good for the end11:11
PriceChildbut either one can be changed11:11
PriceChildSeeker`: nope, you could carry on using that one11:12
PriceChildThis is just the way we've always done them previously.11:12
PriceChildand as long as people don't delete their irc nicks from launchpad it makes it reasonably effective at keeping track :D11:12
elkycharming. because everyone knows that we want #ubuntu to become *just* like the average *BSD channel....11:16
* Seeker` sits in the corner and shakes a bit11:21
* jussi01 hugs Seeker`... there there11:21
Seeker`jussi01: In 7 hours time, I will have done my last exam as a student11:21
Seeker`tis scary11:22
jussi01Seeker`: nice!11:22
Seeker`I'm sure I dont know enough11:23
nakedgoatI dig that.11:28
nakedgoatcan I b ubanned tonight.11:28
jussi01nakedgoat: so the ban will not be lifted, until then - at the earliest11:28
Myrttinakedgoat: what part of *TOMORROW* didn't you get?11:28
nakedgoatI'm not stupied11:28
nakedgoattommrow11:28
Seeker`nakedgoat: It would be best to come back tomorrow, if you keep on asking, your ban will most likely be lengthened11:28
nakedgoatok11:28
Myrttinakedgoat: 24h from now11:28
Myrttiscoot.11:28
nakedgoatI just don't see it11:28
nakedgoatwhat is that doing.11:28
nakedgoatI wilhepl11:28
nakedgoatI will help11:28
Myrttinakedgoat: you've had too many pints, go and sleep them off11:28
Myrttiremember to drink water.11:28
Myrttiscoot.11:28
nakedgoatlol11:28
nakedgoatlove ya11:28
nakedgoatwater11:28
Myrtti11:28
nakedgoatI'm drinkin11:28
Myrttiok, off you go then11:29
nakedgoatno realluy11:29
Myrttirilly rilly11:29
Myrtticome back after 24h11:29
nakedgoatreally, really11:29
Myrttihush, now, baby, go.11:29
Myrttibefore I get rough11:29
nakedgoathaha11:29
nakedgoatrough11:29
nakedgoatwow11:29
nakedgoatwow........ ubuntu rough11:29
nakedgoatnail me11:30
Myrttiplease, go11:30
Myrttifinal warning11:30
nakedgoat(now if u don't u look lame)11:30
nakedgoatnah I'll wait for ban11:30
Myrttiif I have to ask you once more, I'll remove you from the channel. If you return before 24hrs has passed from now, the bans will be doubled.11:31
nakedgoatwow typin'g's killing ua11:31
nakedgoatban me!11:31
nakedgoatdamn11:31
Myrttifine.11:31
nakedgoatreally?11:31
Myrttinote, no ban yet11:31
Seeker`yeah. I wonder if he will realise11:32
Myrttiif he comes back within 24h, double the one in #u11:32
Myrttinice ident, btw11:32
Seeker`Myrtti: make a note on the bantracker11:32
MyrttiI will11:32
Myrtti@btlogin11:33
Seeker`silenceisdefeat is a free shell host iirc11:33
Myrttithanks for reminder11:33
nakedgoatso can I be ubanned?11:33
Myrttias I promised, since you came back here before the 24h had passed, the ban in #ubuntu is now doubled to 48hrs11:34
nakedgoatlol11:34
nakedgoatcasue I deserve it?11:34
nakedgoator casue what?11:34
nakedgoatI answer all questions11:34
Myrttithere's proof that you were told that the ban lasts for 24hrs, and were asked to leave11:35
elkybecause we refuse to be pestered into revoking punishments.11:35
nakedgoatI will come back.11:35
nakedgoatso we will never ?11:35
Myrttiyou're making your situation worse11:35
nakedgoatnah11:35
nakedgoatur making urs worse11:35
nakedgoatkis11:35
nakedgoatkids11:36
Myrtticome back in a few days, thats > 48hrs, and we'll reevaluate your case11:36
nakedgoatI will answer any question11:36
Myrttisure11:36
nakedgoatnah11:36
nakedgoathey11:36
nakedgoatnm11:36
nakedgoatu know i'm usefull.11:37
Myrtti(note: robg at u)11:37
nakedgoatI will answer questions all night.11:37
nakedgoatif i fail11:37
nakedgoatthen u BAN ME11:37
Myrttinakedgoat: you were until you decided not to follow the rules of the channel11:37
nakedgoatI never follow rulesd11:37
nakedgoatnever have.11:38
Myrttinakedgoat: please, leave.11:38
nakedgoatk I will leaqve11:38
nakedgoatleave.11:38
nakedgoatnp.11:38
nakedgoatif u answer me this11:38
nakedgoatWHY woudln't I be good at HITTING #ubuntu11:39
nakedgoatsave u kids frmo answering11:39
nakedgoatif i answer wrong kick me11:39
nakedgoat?11:40
nakedgoatI don't see how that can hurt u11:40
elkyoh, he meant from *there*. oops.11:40
* elky grins at Myrtti11:41
Myrtti:-P11:41
Seeker`He'll be back11:41
elkySeeker`, i know.11:41
Myrttihow about a mute11:41
Seeker`does robg_ regularly suggest that people reinstall11:41
MyrttiI need to fix some coffee, I'm falling asleep here11:41
* jussi01 walks in, grins at elky - and grumps because the interview is delayed till 2pm.11:41
MyrttiSeeker`: yes.11:41
Seeker`shouldn't someone do something about that?11:42
Seeker`I just stopped someone reinstalling their system so that they can change to edubuntu11:42
elkyo.O11:43
PriceChildI think bazhang mentioned robg before... *checks logs*11:43
Myrttiyup, we've been looking at him the last week11:43
PriceChildlooking at PMs, he does it on purpose.11:43
Seeker`why is he still allowed in #ubuntu then?11:44
nakedgoatwho can I talk to?"11:47
jussi01nakedgoat: about?11:48
nakedgoatrewmoving *fahq*11:48
jussi01nakedgoat: you just upped your ban to > 72 hours11:48
nakedgoatyeah sorry11:49
jussi01nakedgoat: Please dont continue coming back until the time is up11:49
nakedgoatI just wanna help11:49
Seeker`the best way you can help is by going away for > 72 hours11:49
nakedgoatcan't do it.11:49
Seeker`you said you wanted to help11:50
stdinyou're just proving you can't respect the rules, so why would we let you back in?11:50
nakedgoathhaha11:51
nakedgoati respect u all11:51
elkywe're not foolish enough to believe lies.11:51
nakedgoatwhat ya watn from me11:51
Myrttinakedgoat: you've got a funny way of showing int11:51
Myrttis/int/it/11:52
elkywhat do we want? we'd love for you to refrain from joining this channel for at least 72 hours11:52
nakedgoattrust me11:52
MyrttiI wouldn't trust you even a liter of milk at the moment...11:52
nakedgoatlol11:53
* PriceChild calls jdong to the rescue11:53
nakedgoatwhatever11:53
nakedgoatwhat can i do for u?11:53
stdinyou can part11:53
nakedgoatto get u to trust me11:54
nakedgoatI wish11:54
nakedgoatloook.l i care11:54
nakedgoatreasly11:54
Myrttinakedgoat: come and vacuum my apartment, do my dishes, dust my rugs, clean Laku's cage and put new sawdust in, fix me a steak dinner and recite some poems11:54
nakedgoatMyrtti : trust in me.11:55
Myrttino?11:55
Myrttitoo bad.11:55
nakedgoatyes11:55
nakedgoatI'll VACUME11:55
MyrttiThis is Hervanta, Tampere, Finland, Europe11:55
nakedgoatTRUST ME11:55
Myrttithe nearest airport is in Pirkkala, daily flights with Ryanair from standsted11:55
nakedgoatDIE11:56
nakedgoati CARE NOT.11:56
ikonia11:16 < nakedgoat> loook.l i care11:56
Myrttiyou can also come to Tampere by train from Helsinki11:56
ikoniasuggests other wise11:56
Myrttior by bus11:56
nakedgoatHAHA11:56
Myrttihave we had enough?11:57
MyrttiI think I'm eating tuna and noodles tonight11:57
Myrttino steak for me11:57
nakedgoatWANT STREAK11:57
nakedgoat?11:57
nakedgoatcalme11:57
elkywant caps lock11:58
nakedgoat62-740448411:58
Myrtti/me looks at elky11:58
nakedgoatcal me11:58
Myrttiwe've had enough, I think.11:58
* elky grins11:58
elkythere is no way he runs a bsd channel with that level of typing skill and the inability to fix an irc client's config11:59
ikonia"trust him"11:59
MyrttiI gave him plenty of chances, didn't I11:59
Myrttimore than enough of slack line11:59
Myrttihe hang himself to it12:00
elkyikonia, i think i can throw a feather further than i trust him12:00
Hobbseemneptok: you.  membership?12:04
Hobbseemneptok: i don't think they allow crazy people as members, sorry :P12:04
MyrttiOY. funny http://is.gd/ntJ12:05
Myrttihttp://trodrigues.jaiku.com/presence/3612832712:05
Myrttiniuniu, the kyuuut is online again...12:07
Garydo you not like him ompaul :p12:14
ompaulGary, I left some time ago12:14
Myrtti5.0.32-7etch5~bpo31+112:15
MyrttiPriority: optional12:15
Myrttiough12:15
GaryI think I just kinda broke a server, oops12:15
ompaulabout 11 am and I removed him just before that12:15
Myrttibad paste12:15
ompaulGary, replace it with a ubuntu one - you know you want to12:15
Myrttiluckily it wasn't anything confidential12:15
ompaulMyrtti, if confidential don't do it on an irc enhanced machine :)12:16
Garyompaul: i'd love too, sadly ubuntu's support for Active Directory, Lotus Notes and stuff is not that great :p12:16
* Hobbsee has pasted her bip password into irc before.12:16
ompaulGary, have you looked at samba revently12:17
ompaulor even recently12:17
ompaulad is nothing more than openldap with a few addons12:17
ompaulbut wait until you see the next batch of enhancements to openldap it is going to embrace and extend AD12:18
Myrttiompaul: I just yesterday tweaked bitlbee to work with our company xmpp server ♥12:18
Myrttiditched Pidgin right there and then and moved to bitlbee+irssi combo12:18
ompaulack12:19
Myrttidifferent windows, different irssi themes, different machines though12:19
Myrttibut what a relief12:19
Myrttinow I can use grep with intelligently designed logging schemes12:19
Myrttiand so much less hassle12:19
jribjulien has gotten that !supportroot thing 4 times now...12:58
ompauljrib, so we need to be a bit forceful point him here or -ot for further discussion13:04
ompaulif it happens again13:04
Myrtti*sigh*13:35
Picihmm?13:35
Seeker`Myrtti: ?13:35
Myrttioh nvm.13:36
Myrtti:-|13:36
Pici:?13:36
Myrttianother week passed, another month... ladida13:37
PiciYah. I'm not sure why that keeps happening.13:40
Seeker`campus / exam time, seeya13:41
ompaulgood luck13:41
Seeker`thanks13:41
ompauljuliux, hi there13:41
juliuxhey ompaul13:42
juliuxompaul, who was your backtravel?13:45
ompaulit was good - we were delayed for an hour and ten, but that is not a lot13:46
juliuxhehe13:46
ompaulgot in just about midnight Tue  / Wed13:46
juliuxwhere you travelling over heathrow?13:46
ompaulna we did prague over hamburg amsterdam aiming for manchester13:47
juliuxlol13:47
ompaulthen straight home13:47
ompaulwhich reminds me13:48
ompaulback in a couple of mins13:48
Myrtti!info envy13:50
ubottuPackage envy does not exist in hardy13:50
Myrtti!info envy-ng13:51
ubottuPackage envy-ng does not exist in hardy13:51
Myrtti*blink*13:51
Pici!info envyng-gtk13:51
ubottuenvyng-gtk (source: envyng-gtk): install the ATI or the NVIDIA driver. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 93 kB, installed size 324 kB13:51
Piciwoo13:51
Myrtti!envy-ng13:51
ubottuFactoid envy-ng not found13:52
Myrtti!envy13:52
ubottuenvyng is an updated version of the *UNSUPPORTED* envy package. It is now part of the ubuntu universe repository and has community support. As an early version, its results may vary but this should be used over the unsupported envy package.13:52
Myrtti@login13:52
ubottuMyrtti: The operation succeeded.13:52
jussi01!-envy13:53
ubottuenvy is <alias> envyng - added by LjL on 2006-12-09 03:22:01 - last edited by Myrtti on 2008-05-02 16:31:2613:53
Myrtti!no envyng ~= s/repository /repository (envyng-gtk OR envyng-qt) /13:53
ubottuI know nothing about envyng ~= s/repository /repository (envyng-gtk or envyng-qt) yet, Myrtti13:53
Myrtti!envyng ~= s/repository /repository (envyng-gtk OR envyng-qt) /13:54
ubottuI'll remember that Myrtti13:54
Myrtti!envyng13:54
ubottuenvyng is an updated version of the *UNSUPPORTED* envy package. It is now part of the ubuntu universe repository (envyng-gtk OR envyng-qt) and has community support. As an early version, its results may vary but this should be used over the unsupported envy package.13:54
MezMyrtti, yeah - you see - I like this bot better - I didn't get that back - I got it saving when I did that before13:54
Mezand got bitched at for it13:54
Mez@whoami13:54
ubottuMez: mez13:54
Mez@capabilities13:54
* Mez bows to jussi01 13:55
Myrtti!-pim13:57
ubottuFactoid pim not found13:57
Myrtti!search evolution13:57
ubottuFound: imap4rev1, mua, gmail13:57
Myrtti:-o13:57
jussi01!mua13:58
ubottuA Mail User Agent (MUA) is the application you use to read mail. Examples include Evolution, !Thunderbird and mutt. They are alternatives to programs like Windows Outlook. See also !MailServer, !MTA and !MDA13:58
jussi01windows outlook?13:59
Myrttithat's just...13:59
Myrtti!-mua13:59
ikoniawell spotted13:59
ubottumua has no aliases - added by LjL on 2007-12-11 15:57:2113:59
Pici!mua =~ s/Windows/Microsoft/13:59
ubottuI'll remember that Pici13:59
Myrttithat factoid is crud13:59
Myrttino offence13:59
jussi01Pici: was about to do that13:59
jussi01!mta13:59
ubottuA Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is the server software that sends and queues mail. The default MTA (and !MDA) on Ubuntu is !postfix ("exim" is also officially supported). See also !MailServer and !MUA13:59
jussi01!mda14:00
ubottuA Mail Delivery Agent (MDA) is the server software for local delivery and rewriting of messages. The default MDA (and !MTA) on Ubuntu is !postfix ("procmail" or "dovecot" can also be used). See also !MailServer and !MUA14:00
ikoniaMyrtti: what don't you like about it ?14:00
PiciPerhaps they're useful in #ubuntu-server ?14:00
ikoniamta gets used a fair bit in -server14:00
Myrttiwho in their right senses thinks mutt can replace the functionalities of MS Outlook?14:00
ikoniaMyrtti: ahhh I see14:01
PiciMyrtti: Evolution sorta can....14:01
PiciOr at least aims to14:01
ikoniamutt though.....14:01
ikoniamutt's great, but not a full client replacment14:01
Myrttinot even Evolution is as good as MS Outlook (featurewise, not talking about stability, and even there I suspect MS O is better)14:01
PiciBut thats factoid isnt about Outlook replacements14:02
Myrttibut still its faulty14:02
PiciWe could just remove mention of outlook entirely?14:02
Myrttithere should be !pim anyway14:02
Myrttiand !evolution14:02
ikoniaI quite like that it references outlook it gives unfamilier users an idea of what an MUA is14:02
ikoniaif you say "mail client" it gets confusing between what a mail client is14:03
PiciI'm a mail client14:03
ikonia!no pici = s/mail/male14:03
ubottuikonia: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)14:03
ikonia;)14:03
ikonia!mua > ikonia14:04
ubottuIn ubottu, ikonia said: !mua is A Mail User Agent (MUA) is the application you use to read email messages, Examples include Evolution, !Thunderbird and mutt. MUA's are required to read mail on your system and could be compared to the mail functions of Microsoft Outlook14:07
ikoniaMyrtti: any better/clearer ?14:08
Myrttisomewhat yes.14:09
ikoniait's limiting without making it a 10 line essay14:09
Myrtti!no mua is <reply> A Mail User Agent (MUA) is the application you use to read email messages. Examples include Evolution, !Thunderbird and mutt. MUA's are required to read mail on your system and could be compared to the mail functions of Microsoft Outlook.14:10
ubottuI'll remember that Myrtti14:10
MyrttiPici: pokepoke14:10
PiciMyrtti: mwah?14:10
Myrtti!pim14:10
ubottuFactoid pim not found14:10
Myrtti!evolution14:10
ubottuFactoid evolution not found14:10
Myrtti:->14:10
Myrtti/me pokes Pici to the factoid factory14:11
Myrttichoo14:11
Pici:(14:11
PiciKinda busy right now....14:11
MyrttiI'll give you candy14:11
PiciI like candy14:11
ikonia!evolution is a bloaty mail client that should be replaced with something better, join #gnome and complain endlessly ;)14:11
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, ikonia said: !evolution is a bloaty mail client that should be replaced with something better, join #gnome and complain endlessly ;)14:11
Piciikonia: +114:11
ikoniaI'm kidding14:11
Myrttiikonia: LOOOOLLLLL14:11
Myrtti♥ claws-mail14:12
ikoniahow's kmail these days ?14:12
PiciFYI, the firefox/xulrunner update in proposed is a bit borked and is removing ff3.14:25
ompaul!staff | * aurelimiss22 (n=BSmaxScr@AAmiens-156-1-132-224.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left #ubuntu (requested by ompaul: "spam")14:25
ubottu* aurelimiss22 (n=BSmaxScr@AAmiens-156-1-132-224.w92-131.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left #ubuntu (requested by ompaul: "spam"): Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw or Gary  I could use a bit of your time :)14:25
ikoniaI don't think FF3b5 should be updated until final any how14:25
seanwompaul, gone.14:27
ompaulseanw, thanks14:27
seanwThanks for the warning; was htiting gentoo too.14:27
ubottuIn ubottu, fde said: pinning is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto defines how to hold a package, not pin one... pinning is: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning if requested, I can change the wiki page, but this factoid is utterly wrong currently.15:15
Pici...15:16
Myrtti!pinning15:23
ubottupinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto15:23
PriceChildOps, please see global notice and see http://blog.freenode.net/?p=80 (the latter especially if you manage channels.)16:15
PiciPriceChild: Thanks16:19
* Pici reads16:19
PiciDoes the name ubuntugeek sound familiar to anyone?16:21
Pici@now16:22
ubottuPici: Current time in Etc/UTC: May 29 2008, 15:22:06 - Next meeting: MOTU in 20 hours 37 minutes16:22
PriceChildPici: which one?16:22
PriceChildPici: there is a guy that does tutorials, then there is ryan troy who is admin of ubuntuforums.org16:22
PiciPriceChild: There was someone in #freenode talking about ban evading, he had that nick.16:23
PriceChildnot identified though?16:24
PriceChild:P16:24
PiciNope.16:24
RoAkSoAx hi all, anyone around that can give me a ubuntu/member cloak please?? i'm already a member: https://launchpad.net/~andreserl16:27
RoAkSoAxsry wrong channel xD16:28
jpdsPriceChild: services down in 30?16:31
PriceChildjpds: roughly16:32
Mez-christel- [Global Notice] Hi all! As you are aware services will shortly be going down for a move to the new services package, all *Serv will be DOWN for a few minutes while we migrate the DB. For once I encourage you to op yourself in your channels to deal with any potential problems during the downtime. Thanks.16:58
Myrttino ops in xubuntu?16:59
stdinalso need one in +1 and the -dev channs17:00
PriceChildI doubt they will be needed.17:00
PriceChildDowntime should be a couple of minutes, and those are small channels.17:00
PriceChildSay again if you think we should be safe.17:01
stdinprobably won't be needed at all, but I'd prefer to err on the safe side imo17:01
PriceChildwhere has my access gone...17:01
PriceChildI wasn't aware somerville owned that channel again.17:02
Myrttilol17:03
jpdsstdin: so, poke Keybuk or Hobbsee17:03
stdincjwatson to the rescue :)17:04
PriceChildnalioth: elky LjL Do you know anything about that?17:04
jpdsstdin: arg, read that channel first ;-)17:04
stdinheh17:05
Myrttibuckle your seatbelts17:06
PriceChildClever floodbots.17:06
jpdshi cjwatson17:07
cjwatsonhi17:07
* Mez wonders why /cs v cjwatson 17:07
Mezdoesnt work17:07
cjwatson17:07 [Freenode] -!- No services can currently be detected17:07
cjwatsonfor exactly the same reason I'm here, probably :P17:07
Piciwoo17:07
PriceChildcjwatson: check your notices :)17:07
PriceChildah, silly me17:07
cjwatsonPriceChild: err, yes, I know, that's why I'm here dude17:07
* Amaranth didn't get to it in time17:07
cjwatsonPriceChild: I was replying to Mez wondering why /cs didn't work17:08
* PriceChild should know better than questioning the watson17:08
Mezcjwatson, It was sarcasm ;)17:08
cjwatsonah :)17:08
cjwatsonoh well, guess I lose17:08
MezNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo17:08
* jpds hands Mez another "o"17:08
MezNew round in 30 mins17:08
Picimode +o ?17:08
* PriceChild is just still tetch over #xubuntu17:09
PriceChildtetchy17:09
Mezhttp://xkcd.com/391/17:10
jpdsJack_Sparrow: round 117:11
Jack_Sparrow:)17:11
Mezcan we not just set +rR now ? :P17:13
PriceChildEvil, evil man.17:14
* Mez grins17:14
jpdsMez: In your name's honour: +m17:14
Mezjpds, I prefer +rR17:14
Myrttifew minutes...17:29
Myrtti/me yawns17:30
Myrtti*sigh*17:31
MezMyrtti, in #freenode, I've invented a perpetual flying machine17:34
jpds[Freenode] [!] Mode change [-u6] for user jpds ?17:42
pleia2same :x17:42
Myrttipft17:43
Myrttiread the blog17:43
pleia2hehe17:43
jpdsMyrtti: more worred about the -u ;-)17:43
stdindon't part any channels :p17:43
stdinmaybe it won't notice17:43
Myrttihttp://blog.freenode.net/?p=8017:43
Jack_SparrowDo we need to do this.. I dont know what a wallop is?  Until the move is complete further information will be given as wallops, to read these please /umode +w yournick.17:52
PiciI always have it on17:52
stdina wallop is an opt-in notice17:53
PriceChildJack_Sparrow: its always handy to be +w17:53
PriceChildsometimes there is random chatter like birthdays of shiny people, other times possibly useful info like what might be given out.17:53
jpdsdamn, now format_identify.pl shows everyone with ~17:53
Jack_SparrowThanks17:53
Picijpds: I'm getting ?s17:53
Pici12:54:04 <?jpds> damn, now format_identify.pl shows everyone with ~17:53
Pici12:54:04 <?jpds> damn, now format_identify.pl shows everyone with ~17:53
Picioops, once too many17:53
Myrttifoarmat_identify?17:54
jpdsPici: hmm17:54
stdinthat's what -e will do17:54
Myrttisorry, having a headache17:54
jpdsMyrtti: http://tomaw.net/irssi/format_identify.pl17:54
PiciMyrtti: It can reformat parts of a nick/message for people who are or are not identified to services17:54
Myrttiokies17:54
jpds...on Freenode17:55
PiciAlthough, now that unfiltered is being removed, I really dont have a reason to need to see if someone is ID'ed or not.17:55
PiciSee, now that was a wallop17:56
Myrttiwhat where17:56
PiciI'm really sorry about the delay and even more sorry for inadvertedly stealing everyones +u6 earlier, and for giving the wrong command to +w yourself! Yours truly is having a rather blonde moment which combined with a complete lack of ruby-foo meant I created some beautiful hiccups and "broke" a pseudo-server. Sorry17:56
jpdsMyrtti: /mode +w Myrtti17:56
MyrttiI did17:57
Picifrom chr-istel17:57
Myrttioh, sorry17:57
Myrttiwas in oftc17:57
Pici!register s/By default, only registered users can send private messages - //17:59
ubottuPici: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)17:59
Pici!register =~ s/By default, only registered users can send private messages - //17:59
ubottuI'll remember that Pici17:59
Myrtti!register17:59
ubottuInformation about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.17:59
stdinlucky you're still logged in, @login would not work right now18:01
* jpds_ pokes jpds_ 18:11
jpds_s/_//18:11
stdinahh, that's better18:34
Jack_SparrowI can breath again18:34
AmaranthWe can drop ops now :)18:35
stdinI'd give it a couple mins, just in case18:37
Myrttiis it over?18:40
PriceChildYep18:41
stdinmake sure to re-identify18:42
ompaultonight I celebrate my lag to the service  - ping me in about 20 seconds and then about 10 after that for lags you won't believe18:57
ubottuIn ubottu, joey_ said: etiquette is there a setting in ubuntu that blocks ports like 132818:57
Pici...18:58
Picijoey_: ubottu is a bot18:59
Pici!bot18:59
ubottuI am ubottu, the all-knowing infobot, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new gorgeous looks in the near future ;)18:59
* ompaul looks at Pici 18:59
Pici!etiquette18:59
ubottuUnsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubottu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !PM, !English - And most importantly, use common sense...18:59
Piciompaul: I didnt call him in here...18:59
ompaulPici, it was the ...19:00
ompaul;-)19:00
* ompaul lags on 19:00
ompauljust got phone spam19:00
Myrttifunny smell19:00
ompaulthe conversation was like this:19:01
joey_im trying to setup a server for vnc support and i cant connect to the server. i forworded the port but i cant connect is there something on ubuntu 7.10 blocking the port 132819:01
Picijoey_: This isnt a support channel, please join #ubuntu an ask your question.19:01
ompaulHim:  Hi my name is "Spamer name removed" I am calling from "spam company name deleted" we are doing a survey on grocery shopping, would you be willing to answer a few questions?19:02
ompaulMe: No, have a nice day, good bye, click!19:02
ompaulohh its Jack_Sparrow19:02
Jack_SparrowHiddy Ho good neighbor19:03
ompaulthat would be ned flanders pretending to be a pirate then ;-)19:03
ompaul... you calling me Homer?19:03
Jack_SparrowJust happen to be watching the Simpsons19:03
* ompaul shouts Doh! I meant to keep that to myself :)19:04
Jack_SparrowBArt would e closer..19:04
Jack_SparrowBlack BArt if you want to keep with the pirate theme19:04
ompaulhehe19:05
ompaulLjL, is there value in removing ops from a flood bot to get them to reidentify?19:06
PiciHow is that going to get them to re-id?19:06
ompaulno idea19:07
ompaulwhen it cant get ops it might just try to reidentify19:07
PiciMez: Do you happen to have the power to tell the floodbots to reconnect?19:15
Piciintranet.sa19:50
Piciwhoops19:51
jussi01:D [22:11:18] [niven.freenode.net] NickServ has bestowed the power of +u onto you20:12
* stdin thinks of NickServ as some sort of magical figure that casts +u on all who worship him20:13
Amaranthservices are weird now20:15
ompaulAmaranth, log on again and they work20:15
PiciI think he means the new flag system20:16
Amaranththey work now20:16
Amaranth* [Amaranth] has oper privs: u20:16
Amaranth--- [Amaranth] is identified to services20:16
Amaranth--- [Amaranth] is signed on as account Amaranth20:16
ompaulahh20:17
ompaulit looks ldappy or some such20:17
Myrttitrööt20:29
PriceChildIs there any spring cleaning in irccouncil managed channels which needs to be done?21:03
PriceChildI'm going to +F the council individually in the main channels (not all managed by ubuntuirccouncil) later once someone else has said its the right thing to do.21:04
jussi01PriceChild: define spring cleaning?21:05
PriceChildie has the conversion from levels to flags not gone correctly anywhere?21:06
PriceChildfor example *!*@* been given +b or something silly21:06
jussi01ahh21:10
ubottuBCM43 called the ops in #ubuntu (I-raped-charq)22:24
Amaranth-NickServ- Access flag(s) +votsriRfAF in #gallium22:41
AmaranthI wonder if the mesa guys would like that22:41
TraeJack_Sparrow that was quite rude mate23:43
Jack_SparrowTrae You want me to post what all you pm'd to me in here23:43
TraeI don't mind as long as they understand what the context was23:43
TraeYou were quick with your +o23:43
Traeand didn't figure out what the situation was23:44
Jack_SparrowI asked nicely for you to stop23:44
TraeI was simply musing that I was the #1337 person to have joined...     and you were rude to me I asked you to lighten up and then you banned me from talking in channel23:44
Jack_SparrowPut up with your insults when I muted you23:44
TraeJack_Sparrow did I say anything else in channel?23:44
Traenno23:44
Traeno  rather23:44
TraeYou banned me for my private msgs... no my actions in channel23:45
Jack_SparrowThe log is available23:45
TraeI've been in #ubuntu since ... sheesh man 2+ years?23:45
Traeand you are going to ban me?23:45
Traegood grief23:46
TraeYou have a good day sir.23:46
Jack_SparrowActually I already banned you..23:46
Seeker`Jack_Sparrow: what did he say to you in pm?23:48
Jack_SparrowSeeker` Screw you.. fuck you etc23:49
Jack_SparrowI only muted him to ask him to not do that23:50
Jack_SparrowI banned him after he called me everything he could type23:50
Jack_SparrowHe says he has been a linux user for years.. obvioulsy he never learned manners23:52
* ompaul has a memory of that party being banned in the olde days23:53
TraeI apologize for my cursing.  I was upset and couldn't believe I had been banned for simply laughing.23:53
ompaul!guidelines23:53
ubottuThe people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines23:53
Traeompaul hey man you should remember me...  I've been around for a while as "occy" and OctorbrX  etc.23:53
Jack_SparrowTrae You were not banned for laughing.23:53
TraeJack_Sparrow: I truly though you were laughing with me.  I misread your statement23:54
Traethat's why I said  "lawl"23:54
Traewhen I couldn't send to channel, that was when I used the explicative23:54
Jack_SparrowI was trying to talk with you in a civil manner and you were very rude23:55
Traeat any rate, if you truly care about making the Ubuntu community better.  You should make a macro or something, that msg's the person saying:  "The use of these terms '"lol" 1337 etc" are bannable offenses.  Please refrain from using them.23:55
TraeYou kept saying "Not Funny"23:55
TraeYou didn't say anything else.23:55
ompaul!lol23:55
ubottuPlease don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.23:55
Traeagain, I apologise for my cursing23:56
Traeit was rude23:56
Traeand uncalled for23:56
TraeI hope you see this as a misunderstanding.23:56
Traethanks23:56
Jack_SparrowYou say you have been a member for years yet you join and all I see is line after line of offtopic23:56
Jack_SparrowTrae Please come back in an hour....  and we can put this behind us23:57
TraeMy apologies.  Sorry to take up your time.23:57

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