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zulowh: its apart of a spec that was discussed at UDS00:14
emgenthey people00:23
emgentplease take a look in planet about rapache00:23
kirklandbdmurray: ping00:25
stickystyleemgent: thats pretty intersting...does anything exist yet?00:27
JanCemgent: sounds cool  ツ00:27
emgentstickystyle: pre-pre-alpha00:29
bdmurraykirkland: pong00:29
emgenti will push it00:29
kirklandbdmurray: updated http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/search.html00:29
stickystyleis the focus the actual apache2 config, or vhost config?00:29
kirklandbdmurray: added an irclogs filter, plus a few more00:30
emgentstickystyle: the goal is for all apache2 managing (VHOST, SSL, PHP and more)00:31
emgentI hope to do it for Intrepid00:31
bdmurraykirkland: cool, what about changelogs? maybe via -changes mailing lists?00:32
kirklandbdmurray: good call, i might put that under "Code"00:32
stickystyleemgent: well I'll be folowing it.  Quite a undertaking, best of luck with it.00:33
kirklandbdmurray: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/00:33
bdmurrayoh yeah, that'd be better ;)00:34
emgentstickystyle: thanks :)00:34
kirklandbdmurray: done!00:36
uvirtbot`New bug: #235625 in samba (main) "CIFS: broken support of symlinks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23562500:56
newzenhi all,   I liked to install ubuntu 8,04 on IBM X3400 but on this page http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/200712-192/ say compatible and not certified. That means something is not working??01:45
newzensome body here :)01:46
infinitynewzen: "Compatible" is fine.01:47
newzeneverything works on that status??01:49
infinityShould do.01:49
infinityMost of the machines in the Canonical DC are HP Proliants, and they're all just "compatible". :)01:49
newzenok, ty infinity. im going to install ;)01:50
newzenquit01:52
PCChrisI'm trying to setup ISPConfig with Apache but when I visit certain pages on ISPConfig I get "The connection to 127.0.0.1:81 was interrupted while the page was loading."01:56
PCChrisI also get "The connection to 127.0.0.1:81 was interrupted while the page was loading." while starting Apache01:57
PCChris*"apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName" while loading Apache01:58
mathiazsommer: congrats for your membership :) !01:58
sommermathiaz: thanks man01:58
PCChris...anybody have any ideas?  It would be greatly appreciated.02:00
sommerPCChris: sorry never used ISPConfig, what is it?02:00
PCChrisa web based control panel to manage servers, databases, etc.02:01
PCChrisidk if I have an ssl problem02:01
PCChrisnow I get "SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length."02:08
sommerPCChris: are you using a cert from a CA or self-signed?  not sure if it makes a difference though02:09
PCChrisself-signed...or trying to at least02:10
sommerare there any other errors in /var/log/apache2/error.log ?02:10
sommerat least ones that pertain02:10
PCChrischecking that02:11
PCChrisdoesn't look like it02:11
PCChrisLast thing is "[Wed May 28 21:07:24 2008] [notice] Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.4-2ubuntu5.1 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ruby/1.2.6 Ruby/1.8.6(2007-09-24) mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.8g configured -- resuming normal operations"02:12
sommerregarding "127.0.0.1:81" did you configure apache to listen to port 81?02:13
PCChrisISPConfig listens on port 81 by default after it changes some configs02:13
RoAkSoAxPCChris, there is a great howto for ISPConfig on www.howtoforge.com02:13
sommerPCChris: did you install ispconfig from a ubuntu package?02:15
PCChrisI see the "first steps" one but I can't even get to some of the settings pages it mentions02:15
PCChrissommer: no, manual install02:15
PCChrisI don't believe there is a package for it02:15
RoAkSoAxPCChris, i have followed step by step this: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts and it worked just fine02:16
PCChrisI actually followed that, though it doesn't go into ISPConfig installation02:17
PCChrisI can re-read through it to see if I missed anything02:17
PCChrisIt may be good to mention I'm using the desktop Ubuntu and not the server edition02:18
RoAkSoAxPCChris, after following that howto, i followed this: http://www.ispconfig.org/manual_installation.htm as told in the howto02:19
RoAkSoAxand it worked without problems02:19
PCChristhat's where I went and I got all the way through the setup w/o problem but then when I try to go to pages such as server settings in ISPConfig it gives me errors02:19
RoAkSoAxweird then.. maybe you missed something or is something related to the username you using or with the config.02:20
RoAkSoAxcuz, i followed it and had full access to everything02:21
PCChrisadditionally, some of the images in the ISPConfig interface are broken02:22
RoAkSoAxPCChris, maybe is realted to the ISPConfig version you've installed02:23
PCChrisI got the newest one02:23
PCChrisstable02:23
RoAkSoAxi think i installed the unstable one02:24
RoAkSoAxmaybe that's why02:24
PCChrishmm...02:24
PCChrisdo you know anything about the v3 one?02:25
PCChris...or what uninstallation entails [if anything]?02:25
RoAkSoAxdon't really know that... but should be an uninstall script somewhere in the source folder02:26
PCChrissure you're using the unstable one?02:27
RoAkSoAxPCChris, yeah v302:27
RoAkSoAxthat's the one i used02:27
PCChrisISPConfig 3 Beta?  Sorry, just don't want to crash my whole computer or anything, I've been through reinstallations before...02:29
m13i am following tutorial on internet conection sharing , but it seems i cant get it to work. it looks pretty straight forward but after i reboot i lose connection to internet. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370 , any help is appriciated.02:31
RoAkSoAxPCChris, yeah i used that one... in a VPS server02:33
PCChristhanks, I'm installing now (installation guide also seems more thorough)02:34
PCChrisbtw, what do you put for domain name if you're using a redirection service to redirect to your ip?02:35
RoAkSoAxPCChris, i think that domain is used for the DNS server... so i guess you could use it aswell... i've never tried that but should be the domain that the server manages02:36
RoAkSoAxm13, you want to share your inet connection for other to connect through your wireless card?02:40
m13RoAkSoAx: think i got it runing02:41
m13RoAkSoAx: router(net)/AP----wlan2/eth0---switch for internal network02:42
RoAkSoAxm13, cause if you want to share your inet connection through a ethernet card, you only need 2 lines, 1 to enable packet forwarding and the other to introduce the iptables rule02:43
m13yes wlan2 is incoming / eth0 is outgoing02:43
m13seems i got it runing as server is updating finally :)02:43
RoAkSoAxm13, so you just need to enable packet forwarding and the iptables rule...02:44
m13RoAkSoAx: dnsmasq and ipmasq ?02:44
RoAkSoAxnot really02:44
m13RoAkSoAx: problem is i want serve later PXE install server on same network over eth0 so i got dhcp server setup and since dnsmasq already got dhcp in it i thought i would need to do some tinkering on it02:45
RoAkSoAxsudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o eth1 -j SNAT --to 192.168.1.31 -->my iptables rule. 192.168.0.0 is my internal network that the ethernet card manages (you need to put IP 192.168.0.1 to the ethernet card) and eth1 is the output iface (which is wireless) and 192.168.1.31 is the IP of eth102:46
m13RoAkSoAx: u using wireless access as internal network ?02:48
RoAkSoAxm13, w. router->wlan.laptop.ethernet->ethernet.desktop02:49
m13RoAkSoAx: ah i see , same setup i want then02:50
m13RoAkSoAx: so u think i can uninstall dnsmasq and ipmasq ?02:50
RoAkSoAxi do that because i have 4 VM's on laptop and 4 o desktop and i need bridged networking, and vmware does not amange bridged networking for wireless cards02:50
m13RoAkSoAx: i use vbox for that and have usb wlan card, it is working ok02:51
RoAkSoAxm13, yeah i would do.. i only have enabled packet forwarding and use that iptables rules, and set static IP's. If you want dynamic you can install a dhcp server02:51
RoAkSoAxm13, yeah in vbox works, but i like vmware better xD02:51
m13RoAkSoAx: i need DHCP for PXE install server later on eth002:52
m13RoAkSoAx: important is that it does the job , for VM's :)02:52
RoAkSoAxm13, tyou can follow this simple config for dhcp: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/dhcp.html02:53
m13RoAkSoAx: i check02:53
m13RoAkSoAx: i have similar config and added lines for pxelinux.0 , think it should be ok02:55
RoAkSoAxyep it should02:55
m13RoAkSoAx: many tnx for help and info m8 , server is upgrading :)02:58
RoAkSoAxhaha welcom ;)02:58
m13oh nice ,ssh fix already working :)03:02
PCChrisI unfortunately ran into a new problem03:19
PCChris"modprobe capability03:19
PCChrisFATAL: Module capability not found."03:19
RoAkSoAxPCChris, are u installing it as root?03:23
PCChrisyes03:24
PCChrisI did a sudo su03:24
RoAkSoAxsudo -i03:27
RoAkSoAxthe correct way to enter root terminal is to use sudo -i03:27
RoAkSoAxbut i doubt that that was the problem03:27
PCChrisoh, I was just following the ispconfig instructions03:27
PCChrisnope, didn't fix it03:28
RoAkSoAxPCChris, have you verified that you have to modprobe "capability" por is it other name and maybe u using the example one03:28
PCChrisit's capability03:29
RoAkSoAxweird then.. so the kernel does not has that module enabled then03:30
PCChrisIs there a way to fix that then?03:31
RoAkSoAxPCChris, what do you need that module for?03:33
PCChrisidk, it was just in the instructions03:33
PCChrispureftpd or quota it looks like03:34
RoAkSoAxof ispconfig?03:34
PCChrisyes03:34
RoAkSoAxi checked the instructions and i cant find that03:34
PCChrisI'm in the installation text that comes with v303:34
RoAkSoAxPCChris, follow the one online for v2 version03:35
RoAkSoAxwhen i installed, i don't remember doing that03:35
PCChrisok, I think I might be able to install pureftpd through Synaptic though03:35
uvirtbot`New bug: #235646 in likewise-open (main) "Cannot Print to PDF using Likewise-Open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23564603:35
RoAkSoAxyes you can03:35
PCChrisI'll just try Synaptic first, then if I run into more problems I'll probably go to the online guide03:36
RoAkSoAxmaybe it is because you haven't install pureftp03:37
PCChrisRoAkSoAx: going good so far (I was stuck on some MySql stuff until I realized I kept putting in the wrong root password)03:58
RoAkSoAxlol03:58
RoAkSoAxhaha it happens03:58
PCChrisaggh!  httpd not running is what I get now04:04
phynixdoes a dhcp server have to be plugged in as a "gateway"04:06
RoAkSoAxno04:06
RoAkSoAxphynix, not necessary04:06
Kamping_KaiserPCChris, what are you trying to do?04:07
PCChrisstart apache04:07
phynixhmm ok. I have one set up. It assigns addresses but won't allow internet connecton to the wan04:07
Kamping_KaiserPCChris, whats the bigger picture?04:07
PCChrisI  sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart then it says apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName04:08
PCChrishttpd (pid 9994?) not running04:08
Kamping_Kaiserthe hostname error isnt fatal. its just an annoyance (most of the time).04:09
Kamping_KaiserPCChris, check /var/log/apache/{access,error}.log and check the output04:09
PCChrishttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15462/04:11
osmosisanyone know what causes high IO wait times with 3ware controllers?04:11
Kamping_Kaisercrap controller?04:12
Kamping_KaiserPCChris, and apache /is/ running or /isnt/ currently?04:13
Kamping_Kaiserunable to start piped log program '/root/ispconfig/cronolog --symlink=/var/log/httpd/ispconfig_access_log /var/log/httpd/ispconfig_access_log_%Y_%m_%d': No such file or directory04:13
Kamping_Kaiser^^ ispconfig?04:13
uvirtbot`Kamping_Kaiser: Error: "^" is not a valid command.04:13
PCChrisit is not currently04:13
Kamping_Kaiseruvirtbot`, bugger off04:13
uvirtbot`Kamping_Kaiser: Error: "bugger" is not a valid command.04:13
Kamping_Kaiserwhois is the bot?04:13
Kamping_Kaiser*who's04:14
Kamping_Kaisernijaba, is it yours?04:14
Kamping_KaiserPCChris, i have no idea about ispconfig, so i'm not keen to try and unbreak something its touched04:15
uvirtbot`New bug: #235653 in nut (main) "ACL covering all IPv4 addresses is broken in 2.2.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23565304:16
PCChrisRoAkSoAx: any ideas?04:17
RoAkSoAxPCChris, what does it says when you do /etc/init.d/apache2 start04:18
PCChrisapache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName04:19
RoAkSoAxPCChris, you need to add ServerName ip-address in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf i think04:21
RoAkSoAxdont have apache installed currently04:21
RoAkSoAxbut is in the config file for apache04:21
PCChrisI g2g, sorry04:23
PCChriswill have to look at it later04:23
Kamping_KaiserRoAkSoAx, the correct thing would be to fix his hostname, not hack around it :)04:23
RoAkSoAxKamping_Kaiser, i always had the same warning even if i had the correct hostname04:24
Kamping_KaiserRoAkSoAx, then your hostname was setup wrong :)04:24
RoAkSoAxKamping_Kaiser, don't think so...  ;) :P04:25
Kamping_Kaiserthe only time you should have to set it in apache is if your making the apache hostname different to the system hostname04:25
Kamping_KaiserRoAkSoAx, i'm right, your not :P *grin*04:25
RoAkSoAxKamping_Kaiser, if that's so, hostname, hostname -f, and uname -n commands wouldn't show the hostname correctly04:26
Kamping_KaiserRoAkSoAx, hostname -d needs to be happy too (and hostname -a, but that should be ok if the others are)04:27
RoAkSoAxthey are ;)04:30
Kamping_Kaiser:)04:31
mokzuis it best to build server from JEOS for the best performance?04:49
Kamping_Kaiserseems excessive04:50
hadsAnd you'd end up with the same stuff, just installed slower :)05:00
Kamping_Kaisernod :)05:00
mokzuwell that's pointless then, i'll go for full server05:01
mokzuis ebox and webmin a good combo for management?05:02
Kamping_Kaiserno. i can recommend vim and screen though05:02
* hads giggles05:03
hadsI was about to type that.05:03
mokzulol05:03
Kamping_Kaiserlol05:03
specialKevinlol05:03
mokzu\o\05:03
Kamping_Kaiser:o hehe05:04
mokzui like timesaving devices05:05
ajmitchhads: surely you wouldn't05:05
hadsHey ajmitch :) how goes the bug fixing?05:06
ajmitchmind rotting, need beer...05:08
hads:)05:08
ajmitchI've got at least the major ones out of the way for today05:09
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Kamping_Kaiser"not servehir specific"?05:25
hadsheh, that was the last topic before the spam.05:25
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Kamping_Kaiseri never notice topics getting changed :/05:26
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krautmoin07:47
RockHoundmoinsen07:47
liassisthello, my quey is that i want to run ubuntu server with a gui pkakage (openbox3 or fluxbox or icewm) i also want a tftp server to share data to only 2 clients(my system is 256mb ram 1.4ghz processer and 64mb vram)08:44
liassistwill it work on this config and will it be easy to install other DE or WM easily08:45
sorenThat is not a question.08:45
sorenYeah, sure it'll work.08:45
liassistso is install openbox or fluxbox easy and does ubuntu server has all the pakages ubuntu dektop has08:46
sorenUbuntu server and desktop share the same repositories.08:46
sorenUbuntu server just installs less packages by default.08:47
soren..and a different kernel.08:47
sorenThat's it.08:47
liassistwhat will e the best gui ican run on ths server (iam using it because gnome and kde are very slow)(i want good graraphics and all menu's etc.. all most like gnome)08:48
liassist*e be08:48
sorenxfce, probably.08:49
sorenI don't see why you want a gui on your server, though.08:49
liassistiam not soo good at the CLI also the server will be my desktop (ubuntu has preloaded GUI's)08:50
Kamping_Kaiseryou cant properly admin a server through a gui08:51
liassistyes that is another reason but mainly for a desktop08:51
liassistxfce gives good but i want to know if it will give me enough memory to run a 96mb application08:52
liassistits just a tftp server (it will be desktop mainly)08:54
sorenWhat 96MB app?08:54
liassistCounter-strike server (approx 96mb )08:56
Kamping_Kaiserso your running a desktop, apache, counterstrike all on 264mb of ram?08:57
Kamping_Kaiser*25408:57
liassist*25608:57
Kamping_Kaiser:| i'll get there eventually08:57
liassistnot all togteher08:57
liassisti want a desktop that will run good (not slow) on my system with anyothe gui (not xubuntu)08:58
* Kamping_Kaiser leaves you to it08:59
* soren points liassist at the topic09:00
liassistplease, tell me how to install openbox3 or fluxbox or icewm09:00
sorenplease, ask in #ubuntu09:00
liassiston ubuntu server09:00
liassist"server"09:00
sorenI just told you...09:00
soren!09:00
soren07:46:59 < soren> Ubuntu server and desktop share the same repositories.09:00
soren07:47:07 < soren> Ubuntu server just installs less packages by default.09:00
soren07:47:11 < soren> ..and a different kernel.09:00
soren07:47:14 < soren> That's it.09:00
soren"For general (not server specific) support visit #ubuntu" <--- It's in the topic09:01
sorenThis is not server specific.09:01
sorenYou're asking about installing desktops.09:01
liassistok thanks soren (last are there any GUI pakages for TFTP)09:01
sorenI very much doubt it.09:01
sorenWhy tftp?09:01
liassistftp will do or vsftp09:02
Kamping_Kaiser*why* do you want ftp09:02
Kamping_Kaiserat all09:02
liassistto share data with only 2 clients09:02
Kamping_Kaiserthen your not after tftp. and depending on the clients, use scp/rsync/anythingthatsnotftp09:03
liassista way to share data (smb will do?)09:04
Kamping_Kaiserdepends on the clients. ..09:05
liassistthier winxp clients09:05
Kamping_Kaisersmb probably then. (although it doesnt such a whole lot less then ftp)09:06
spiekeyHello!09:06
spiekeyhttp://pastebin.com/m6678dfeb --> how can i only install the ssh blackilst?09:06
spiekeyoh, and openssh-client openssh-server09:07
spiekeyi do not want to upgrade the kernel stuff09:07
liassistsecurity? will that will be an issue (i've installed selinux)09:07
Kamping_Kaiserspiekey, just apt-get install , it'll update them09:07
spiekeyKamping_Kaiser: very cool! thanks!09:09
spiekeythis channel rocks :)09:09
Kamping_Kaiseraww :)09:09
spiekey:))09:09
liassist:)09:12
Kamping_Kaiserliassist asked in both #debian and here about that quetion, fyi09:13
* Kamping_Kaiser gets irate over that (it may have shown)09:13
danshearer'morning all09:25
soreno/09:25
danshearerdag, soren09:25
danshearerSome docs on the possibility of the openldap AD proxy are here:09:26
danshearerhttp://www.connexitor.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2009:26
dansheareras well as 'man slapo-translucent'09:27
sorenCool.09:29
Koonbonjour Dan09:38
danshearerKoon: salut Thierry09:45
spiekeycan i use a public ubuntu generated ssh-key for putty, too?09:46
InsomniaCityyou need to use puttygen to convert ssh-keygen'd keys into ppk format.09:47
simplyubuntuhello everyone.... can anyone help me with setting up a home file/print server?09:51
simplyubuntuor direct me to a good guide....09:51
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fohdeesha1halpppp11:32
Kamping_Kaiser!ask | fohdeesha111:33
ubottufohdeesha1: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)11:33
fohdeesha1whats the package that gives the console fonts, so folder show up one color files another etc11:33
Kamping_Kaiserthats an ls setting11:35
fohdeesha1really? I thought it was a package11:36
Kamping_Kaiserit may be. but its an ls setting11:36
Kamping_Kaiserls --color=auto11:36
hadsShould be set by dircolors which is in coreutils which will be installed.11:38
fohdeesha1ah thanks that did the trick, although my buddy always installed some fonts package which did that automatically11:38
Kamping_Kaiserhads, whats dircolors do exactly, apart from modify an ls environment variable? :)11:39
hadsThat's it AFAIK11:40
hads:)11:40
Kamping_Kaiserhehe11:40
hadsI'm sure someone who knows more can correct me, I don't know that much about it.11:40
hadsFrom the manpage, "Output commands to set the LS_COLORS environment variable" - it would seem that's it.11:41
noogahello12:00
noogai'd like to setup ubuntu server on a single hdd next to RAID5 matrix12:01
noogawhen I install it normally, the GRUB can't boot and throws error 1512:01
noogahow to fix it?12:01
fohdeesha1I HACKED THE GIBSON12:12
sorena) What's "the gibson", b) who cares?12:13
fohdeesha1http://www.google.com/search?q=hacked+the+gibson&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a12:14
fohdeesha1Welcome to the internet.12:14
mralphabetwelcome to 13 years ago . . . get a new catchphrase12:15
fohdeesha1protip: take a joke12:15
Kamping_Kaiserfohdeesha1, protip for you: dont piss off the people you want help from12:15
fohdeesha1LULZ HOLY FUCK IM RUNNING DEBIAN NOT UBUNTUY AND CONNED YOU INTO HELPING ME HOLY FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK12:16
Kamping_Kaiserwatch your language please12:16
fohdeesha1lol no kick? a lot more lax than the bsd guys12:16
Kamping_Kaiserno ops looking. they'll be back ;)12:16
sorenkthxbye12:19
Kamping_Kaiserhes back.12:19
Kamping_Kaiser*heh*12:19
sorenHe's been here before?12:20
Kamping_Kaisersoren, your back.12:20
sorenOh. Heh :)*12:20
noogawell12:20
noogagot any idea?12:20
Kamping_Kaiser:)12:20
sorennooga: What do you mean by "normally"?12:21
nooganormally: insert cd, hit next, next, next, next till end of installation ;D12:22
soren...12:24
sorenOh, then it works.12:24
sorenLook, if you want help, you need to be helpful yourself.12:25
noogaokay, now i tried to manually partition disks: RAID5 (hda, hdb, hdc set to work under RAID), hdd: bootable / and swap partition12:26
noogaand it's the same12:27
noogagrub throws error 1512:27
sorenYou're trying to boot off of the 4th disk in the system?12:27
noogadunno, in bios it seems to be hd012:28
noogabut linux sees it as hdd12:28
noogaas if the matrix was first12:28
sorenYeah, that would do it..12:29
sorenHow soon do you get the erro 15?12:29
noogaafter installation when i boot first time12:30
soren...12:30
sorenYEs, but *when*?12:30
sorenHow far does it get?12:30
noogasec12:31
noogaloading stage 1.512:32
noogaand then "GRUB loading, please wait..."12:32
noogaand then12:32
noogaboom ERROR 1512:32
noogabrb12:33
nooga(cig brake)12:34
sorenOh, good. That's easy then.12:34
* soren takes a break12:36
* danshearer is away: meeting12:43
noogasoren: what's easy? ;d12:44
noogawhat do u mean?12:46
sorenTo fix it.12:50
sorenYou get a chance to hit ESC at some point. Do that.12:51
noogawhen grub starts?12:53
sorenYes.12:53
noogadoes not work, grub throws error immediately12:54
sorenAh.12:55
sorenHm... I completely understand the problem, but I'm not sure who to guide you through fixing it.12:56
noogathe raid controller is on motherboard and that single drive is connected to additional sata socket, maybe i could connect it elsewhere and try to make RAID1 with one disk, next to the RAID5 with 3 disks and then try to install ubuntu on that RAID112:56
sorennooga: One thing you could do, though..12:56
sorennooga: Go through the installation again, but pass "edd=on" on the kernel command line.12:57
sorenThat should make grub install itself on the right disk and also know where to look for the stage1.5.12:57
noogawhen exactly i should pass that arg?12:58
sorenWhen you boot the installer.12:58
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noogaokay13:01
noogaah, hit f6 in the cd menu and just add "edd=on" in the end?13:03
noogaafter -- ?13:03
sorenYeah.13:04
cjsstableswhat is the security number to use for a ldap home directory? ie is it 644?  I have the Ownership set to testuser:Domain User.  I don't want others users to see a home folder that is not theirs.13:04
sorenDefine "see".13:06
blue-frogcjsstables: then you need 70013:06
blue-frogwith 4 one could be able to read a file if he know the exact name13:07
sorenNo.13:07
sorenWith 4 you could find all the exact names of everything, but not access them. With 1, you could access them if you knew their name (and have access to the file itself), but not list the names.13:08
sorencjsstables: Define "see".13:09
sorenOr don't.13:10
soren*shrug*13:10
cjsstablessoren: if user xxx is logged on the domain, user xxx would not be able to view user yyy home directory with a file manager like thunar13:11
sorenDefine "view", then.13:11
sorencjsstables: Do you want users to be able to determine the existence of other users' home directories? Do you want other users' to be able to list the contents of the home directories? Do you want other users to be able to access things in the home directories?13:11
sorenWhat?13:11
cjsstablessoren answer is as follows.  user xxx cannot determine existance of user yyy home directory13:12
blue-frogsoren sorry. ty for correcting13:13
cjsstablesuser xxx cannot list content of user yyy home directory13:13
sorenThen you need 701 on /home as well.13:13
soren..but that seems rather pointless as ldap and nss and stuff will likely reveal their existence anyway.13:14
sorenI'm just trying to point out that "see" is not a very useful term. There are several layers to be taken into account.13:14
sorenI could have just given you the easy, but not fully correnct, answer: 700.13:15
soren...but that's not really my style.13:15
cjsstablesok no problem.  why do we want to give "others" execute permission with 70113:15
cjsstablessoren,,  your previous comment about revealing access to others when in an ldap enviro.  is that a common practice13:17
sorenYes.13:17
sorenWithout execute permissions you can't refer to anything inside a directory.13:18
sorenLike, say, your own home directory.13:18
soren...which would be inconvenient.13:18
cjsstablesok.  so in that scenario.  user xxx can read only user yyy home directory but cannot wx13:18
sorenThere's been a lot of stuff flying around now. What is "that scenario"?13:19
cjsstablesan ldap scenerio13:19
sorenWhether you use ldap or not doesn't change what you have access to.13:19
sorenWhat are ownership and permissions on /home and the user's home directory in "that scenario"?13:19
noogastill error 15 ;/13:20
cjsstablesthat is what I'm trying to determine ....  what should I set them to...   what is the common practice13:20
sorencjsstables: Common practice is to stay with the default. That's why their the defaults.13:21
sorenWell, that's not entirely true.13:21
sorenI guess they're common practice, because they're the defaults.13:22
cjsstablessoren: when I created a user with smbldap-useradd it creates a home directory of yyy with the following permissions drwx------.  Is that the corect permissions?13:26
sorenThey are not incorrect.13:27
cjsstablesok.  but would they fall into the category of acceptable for a typical ldap environment13:28
cjsstablesbasically I just wouldn't want user yyy copying viewing changing anything that is in xxx home directory13:29
sorenThose permission will make achieve that goal.13:29
cjsstablesawesom.  thanks very much soren.13:30
noogasoren: i just can't do it13:31
cjsstablesso if I wanted to chmod a directory and its contents to drwx------ is that 700?13:31
noogais setting RAID1 with one disk for system and separate RAID5 for data a good idea?13:31
sorennooga: The problem is that during boot, your bios thinks hdd is the first disk, but the grub on hdd tries to look on the 4th disk for the stage1.5 loader.13:32
noogawell13:32
sorencjsstables: I wouldn't recommend changin the permissions of the files inside the directory.13:32
noogathen i could try to setup grub from livecd13:33
noogais it possible?13:33
sorenYes.13:33
foolanocjsstables: if you had a public_html directory within the user home directory you'd need excution permissions for others, otherwise   apache couldn't access it13:33
foolanocjsstables: if you take a look at what adduser sets when a new user home is created, you'll see something like 75513:36
noogasoren: i would be grateful for a hint: how13:36
cjsstablesfoolano: ok . that makes more sense to me13:36
sorennooga: Boot the livecd, chroot into the installed system, change your device.map to tell it that /dev/hdd is (hd0), run grub-install.13:39
noogakay13:40
cjsstablessoren:  are you pretty familiar with the smbldap tools?13:58
cjsstablesI have added a machine/computer account when I used winxp join the domain.  however I do not know how to add a computer account for a linux client.  How would I do this with the smbldap tools14:01
noogasoren: so, if i got (hd0) hda, (hd1) hdb ... , (hd4) hdd14:13
noogai just swap hd0 with hd4, right?14:13
noogasoren: and then grub-install hd0  ?14:20
Assidhi14:34
Assidanyone here got openvz working ?14:34
sorennooga: Sounds right.14:36
noogasoren: grub-install hd0  (aka hdd) says sth like: /dev/sdd1: Not found or not a block device14:42
noogawtf?14:42
* Assid needs help with openvz14:42
sorennooga: Quit the chroot, and do: sudo mount --bind /dev /whereever/you/mounted/your/target/system/dev14:43
noogaah14:44
noogalol14:53
noogathe file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly14:53
nealmcb!ask | Assid14:54
ubottuAssid: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)14:54
Assidnealmcb: yeah thats why im waiting.. for someone to respond14:55
Assidit doesnt work with the kernel in the respository14:55
nealmcbAssid: you haven't given enough information for someone to help you - versions, what you did, what you saw etc14:56
nealmcbGuide to asking questions on IRC: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html14:56
nealmcbremember - we're volunteers....14:56
Assidwhen i boot.. i get this : "This kernel require the following features not present on the CPU: 0:6"  this is using the openvz kernel available in the respositor and the PPA of will nowak14:57
noogasoren: it fails ;(14:57
nealmcbhardy?14:57
Assidyes14:57
nealmcblink to the ppa?14:57
Assidusing the 2.6.24-17-openvz14:58
Assidhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~compbrain/+archive14:58
nealmcbyou may have to ask will for help - I don't know what he has up14:58
Assidhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenVZ -- this suggests to eithe rebuild the kernel.. OR use the PPA14:58
sorennooga: How?14:59
nealmcbAssid: interesting - thanks for the link.  note that those instructions rely on stuff that isn't supported.  it might help to know what your ultimate goal is and why the main Ubuntu virtualization solution, kvm, won't work for you15:02
Assidi am now trying to recompile it.. but this is being really hopeful15:02
noogasoren: dunno, i'm in chroot, /dev is binded15:02
noogaand under chroot i type: grub-install hd015:02
sorennooga: Do you have /boot on a different partition?15:03
noogai don't know, but it's unlikely15:03
sorenEr..15:03
Assidnealmcb: i dont want to use a hardware virtualization as they FIX the resources (commit the resources), wwith openvz i can OVERSELL / OVERPROMISE more resources than i have15:03
sorenhd4 is hdd? What's hd3, then?15:03
Assidand the VPS that  isnt using as much resources is being shared where required15:04
Assidalso.. i cant set the amount of CPU power i want a kvm resource to have.. it only lets me dedicate processors15:05
Assidso suppose i want SMP for a vps.. but i want each vps to have say 200mhz only (200+200 as dual core)15:05
Assidopenvz lets me do this.. kvm only lets me set the cpu's per VM15:06
InsomniaCityAssid: you realise that if you use openvz, people will know you're overselling, and consequently be that less likely to choose your services15:06
AssidInsomniaCity: thats fine.. its all for internal usage atm15:06
noogai guess i'll install ubuntu server again15:06
noogaand then try15:06
sorennooga: Whu... why?15:07
AssidInsomniaCity: i have certain tasks i am targetting PER vps.. and each task is generally going to be used during certain timings.. think of  it as TIMESHARE per RESOURCESHARE15:07
sorenWhat's with all the shouting?15:07
stupidknightHi, I've just installed Ubuntu Server on my server, with MySQL. Now I can't access it form an other computer, though on the same network. Any ideas if this is there's something I should take into consideration?15:09
sorenThe fact that mysql only listens on the loopback interface by default, perhaps.15:10
Assidhrmm15:11
stupidknightoh15:12
stupidknightsoren: sorry if my question was dumb enough, just installed it and I'm new to *nix in general.15:12
sorenIf you really want to expose your db server to the network, you need to change the bind-address option in /etc/mysql/my.cnf15:13
nealmcbAssid: I updated that wiki page a bit to clarify the support and point to kvm also.  sorry I can't help with your underlying question since I haven't used it15:14
stupidknightsoren: yea, I'm in it now, thanks.15:15
nealmcbyou might get better help from an openvz channel15:15
sorenAssid: It would appear the openvz kernel is compiled with pae support. It will fail on old systems.15:16
Assidright15:16
Assidhow do i disable it?15:16
Assidwhich flag is it15:16
sorenCONFIG_PAE, probably.15:17
sorenHmm... Or perhaps not.15:17
Assidi got the git distribution.. found PAE .. but in config.server15:18
Assidhowever, how do i know which config file is worked on?15:19
nealmcbAssid: which git distribution?  I'd think you'd want to base your kernel off the standard ubuntu kernel and the one in the ppa15:19
zulsoren: CONFIG_HIGHMEM_64G turns on CONFIG_PAE15:20
sorenAh, those are only on i386, of course. That's why I couldn't find them.15:21
sorenAssid: You want to look for the openvz binary custom flavour thing.15:21
Assidmight as well compile this for my laptop15:21
sorenYou wan to do hosting off of your laptop?15:22
Assidnah.. just playing with it on my laptop before i do it on a production box15:23
Assidyou dont expect me to blow up a production box do you ?15:24
nealmcbAssid: thanks for your input on that bug.  if you could followup with information on the PAE issue that would also help.  e.g. is PAE required in the ppa kernel, but not in other ubuntu kernels?15:29
Assidim actually recompiling the kernel atm15:30
Assidi am tyring to recompile the kernel as we speak15:31
Assidits gonna take a long time.. its just a 1400 pentium m15:32
ghatakhi, I have a strange problem with syslog-ng, i want recieve remote syslog from switch and router, when I do a tcpdump i can see udp packets being sent however syslog-ng daemon does not see them. even if i do netcat on port 514, it does not see it, any help please ?16:08
mathiazkirkland: what is the name of the virtualization packages you've created ?16:11
mathiazkirkland: I don't find them in your ppa16:11
kirklandubuntu-virt-server and ubuntu-virt-mgmt, should be16:12
kirklandmathiaz: I see them there16:12
mathiazkirkland: yeah - me too :D16:12
kirklandmathiaz: oh, they're against hardy16:12
kirklandmathiaz: when i uploaded them, PPA didn't support intrepid yet16:12
kirklandmathiaz: and it only built i386, strange16:12
mathiazkirkland: that's because they're meta-packages16:13
kirklandmathiaz: oh, that's right.  i remember now.16:13
mathiazkirkland: the deb names is _all, which is for all architecture.16:13
kirklandmathiaz: that was a conscious change, save space on the repos16:13
kirklandmathiaz: gotcha.16:13
mathiazkirkland: they're just built for i386.16:13
kirklandmathiaz: -> #ubuntu-virt ?16:13
mathiazkirkland: that's all I wanted to ask16:15
kirklandmathiaz: ;-)16:15
kirklandmathiaz: can you sponsor for upload to intrepid?16:15
mathiazkirkland: I'm writing the minute then16:15
mathiazkirkland: I'd suggest to follow the NewPackage process.16:15
kirklandmathiaz: okay, cool16:15
mathiazkirkland: I can advocate for your package.16:15
kirklandmathiaz: i had that NewPackage todo from yesterday's meeting, i'll get right on it16:16
mathiazkirkland: I'd rather follow the NewPackage process.16:16
kirklandmathiaz: that's fine16:16
zulmathiaz: dovecot SRU works as expected fyi16:19
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Assidmathiaz: you got nything for openvz16:32
sommerzul: I was giving that a test as well, I'm running the load_test.py, is there anything I should look for?16:32
zulsommer: I bumped the login_max_proccesses_count to 1 and then rerun it16:33
sommerzul: cool will do, isn't it 128 by default?16:33
zulsommer: yeah but its easier and faster to see if you get the error message16:34
sommerzul: ah16:35
PCChrisRoAkSoAx: what were you saying yesterday?16:36
RoAkSoAxPCChris, about the server name on apache2.conf file?16:37
PCChrisyes16:37
RoAkSoAxadd ServerName <ip address of your server> in that file16:37
RoAkSoAxPCChris, have you set the hostname as told in the howtoforge.com howto?16:38
PCChrisI don't believe I did that actually16:38
PCChriswhich howto was that?16:39
PCChrisperfect server setup?16:39
RoAkSoAxPCChris, yeah in the 3rd page16:40
RoAkSoAxif you do that hostname setup i think that servername warning won't show up16:40
PCChrishttp://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_server_ubuntu7.10_p3 ?  I don't see anything about Apache config there16:41
RoAkSoAxPCChris, i ment the hostname of the server... do the hostname thing first and see if you get that warning16:41
LowWalkerGrub error 2... what are you16:42
RoAkSoAxif you do, add ServerName <1.2.3.4> to /etc/apache2/apache2.conf16:42
PCChrisSo right now I'm supposed to be editing Apache2.conf?16:42
RoAkSoAxPCChris, if you haven't set the hostname of your machine correctly, you do16:43
PCChrishttpd (pid 9994?) not running still16:45
PCChrisMaybe the first ISPConfig install messed up some settings?16:46
PCChrisMy computer hostname for Ubuntu is chris-laptop, which it provided by default when installing Ubunut16:49
PCChris*Ubuntu16:49
emgentheya16:49
RoAkSoAxPCChris, weird then... try check the apache logs and see why it ain't starting16:50
RoAkSoAxPCChris, maybe try resinstalling apache16:51
PCChrisThat's what I was thinking I should just try at this point16:52
RoAkSoAxPCChris, i would recommend you to uninstall it with sudo apt-get remove --purge apache2 (and any other packages you have installed)16:52
RoAkSoAxthen sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean16:53
RoAkSoAxand then isntall it again16:53
PCChriswill that remove all it's directories as well?16:53
RoAkSoAxPCChris, all the config files, not the directories on /var/www16:54
PCChrisshould I remove those?16:54
RoAkSoAxnope16:55
RoAkSoAxthat is just the DocumentRoot16:55
PCChrisok, I uninstalled-but do i need to change my computer host name or anything before trying to install anything again?16:55
RoAkSoAxPCChris, what is showed when you do hostname -a and hostname -d16:56
PCChrisumm...nothing?16:57
RoAkSoAxPCChris, if you gonna change the hostname, thouse two commands would show the hostname...16:58
RoAkSoAxand i think that you won't have problems with the ServerName warning on apache16:58
PCChrisbut what should I change it to?16:58
RoAkSoAxotherwise.. just leave it as it is... and install apache... and then you add ServerName 172.169.0.0 (obviously you will have to replace it with the IP of your machine) and that would be all16:59
* Assid watches the kernel recompile17:04
juannicolasHi people, I would like to know if somebody here had any experience installing ubuntu in a Dell PowerEdge 1950 or similar. I want to use all disk space RAID0 but when installing the only option I did get was the PERC 5/i system. HOw can I install Ubuntu in the way to use the both 143G?17:06
PCChrisRoAkSoAx: ok, when ISPConfig install asks for the fqdn, what should I put [default is chris-laptop]?17:09
RoAkSoAxyeah guess so17:09
RoAkSoAxthat's why is recommendable to set a hsotname17:09
PCChrishow do I remove all the old mysql tables?17:09
RoAkSoAxPCChris, if you now SQL you could do that17:10
uvirtbot`New bug: #235792 in bind9 (main) "BIND 9.4.2 permission denied for custom log files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23579217:11
PCChrisnm, I think I figured it out17:16
juannicolasHi, how can I install ubuntu hardly in a PE 1950 using my 2 disk of 143Gb at full capacity not raid017:18
_rubenjuannicolas: you probably have to use sofware raid (performance is quite decent) .. i installed 2 1950's the other day, but they had hardware raid17:18
_rubenjuannicolas: ow, you're only seeing one disk in the installer you mean?17:19
juannicolasyes Is telling me something about PERC 517:19
_rubendell default to raid1 config when shipped17:19
juannicolasso, how can i change or undo that in order to use both disk17:19
_rubenperc5 is the sata/sas/scsi (raid) controller17:19
brewmaster_anyone have any advice on setting up a simple failover web server?17:20
_rubenyou need to reboot and enter the perc 5 configuration manager .. and create a raid0 vdisk (its raid1 by default)17:20
_rubenit prompts you for ctrl-a or ctrl-e i think during boot17:20
juannicolaswith the radi0 I can use both disk seperatly? I mean i would have 280GB tops?17:21
_rubenwith raid0 you have one virtual disk with the size of about 280GB17:21
juannicolasrebooting system17:21
juannicolaslet me see17:21
_rubenthen again, i cant think of a reason to use raid0 .. raid0 isnt really raid .. the r is for redundant, raid0 isnt redundant17:21
_ruben2 disks in raid0, one disk dies, you lose the data on the other as well17:22
juannicolasi know17:22
juannicolasI only want this server for data17:22
juannicolasbut they requested full max hd capacity17:22
juannicolas:S17:22
_rubenthe more reason *not* to use raid017:22
PCChrisRoAkSoAx: ok, when setting up the RSA private key does it matter what info I put in?17:22
PCChrisIt has defaults it says I can use, but it's not actually my country, city, etc.17:23
RoAkSoAxPCChris, not really... since you are just testing17:23
juannicolasI recommended mirroring but That will loose space , hey said17:23
_rubenshould've gotten bigger disks then .. raid0 is pretty much useless, 1 300G disk would probably be cheaper than 2 150G's17:23
juannicolasgot you, but thats what they have right now. Maybe later on they can upgrade it17:24
PCChrisI still get httpd not running17:24
RoAkSoAxPCChris, what does sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start shows¿17:24
PCChrisIt just says it failed17:25
n6rejtest17:26
RoAkSoAxPCChris, from ispconfig?17:26
RoAkSoAxweird then17:26
n6rejcan anyone help me setup proftpd so that I can rw directly to /var/www ?17:26
PCChristhat's what's returned with ...apache2 start17:26
RoAkSoAxyou should uninstall it, and install it again so that you can test if it works without anyother config, because it should17:27
juannicolas_ruben i thin is ctrl+r for the PE Raid config17:27
juannicolasgosh, I dont understand this menu17:28
PCChrisstill fails :-(17:28
RoAkSoAxPCChris, have you done any special configutarion or something for apache?17:29
PCChrisno17:30
juannicolas_ruben  thank you, I have created a VD with 278784MB space17:32
FordPrefecthi.  Does anyone know how to get a console on a libvirt managed kvm?  I'm having the same problem as this guy: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/14500917:32
FordPrefectI also tried adding it to the template file17:32
FordPrefectit just removes it17:32
n6rejnobody knows how to config proftpd?17:32
juannicolasn6rej I think you need to give /var/www write permision to all user17:33
infinityjuannicolas: Dear god man, don't do that.17:33
PCChriswait, ispconfig vhost is still there17:33
juannicolasinfinity  then?17:33
n6rejjuannicolas: yeah, just gotta figure out how to do it properly17:33
zulsommer: can you do munin next?17:34
psyferrehey folks, does anyone have a moment to help me out with adding a command to run at boot?  I've seen several methods in my googling, but many are outdated or even say that there should be a "better way".  Anyone have a moment?17:35
infinityn6rej: "addgroup $mywebgroup; adduser $mywebuser $mywebgroup; chown root:$mywebgroup /var/www; chmod 2775 /var/www"  (Alternately, make it "$webgroup:www-data and 2750")17:35
psyferreI've read that a "good" way is to add your command to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh , but looking at that file i'm a bit unsure of where I would even want to put my command17:36
n6rejinfinity: is that in proftpd?17:36
infinityn6rej: No, that's all just unix file permissions.17:37
n6rejinfinity: include the $?17:37
infinityn6rej: No.17:37
PCChrisRoAkSoAx: Yes!  I think I at least got Apache working!  Had to delete all the old ispconfig files that were still there17:37
n6rejinfinity: k17:37
infinityn6rej: That was a variable.  Substitute the name of the groups and users as appropriate. :P17:37
n6rejinfinity: gotcha... just need one user its for my lan17:37
infinityn6rej: IOW, that wasn't an exact cut-n-paste routine, it was a "this is more or less how I'd do it" thing.17:37
n6rejinfinity: cc17:38
infinityn6rej: If it's just one user, you don't need groups at all, I guess, though you might want more than one user with access later.17:38
n6rejinfinity: nah, just need one.17:38
PCChrisRoAkSoAx: any idea where I should go from here?  Try installing ispconfig again?17:38
infinityn6rej: If you're sure it'll always just be one user, though, just make /var/www owned by root:$thatuser (every user should, by default, have a group named after them)17:38
n6rejinfinity: yeah I just need to give Joomla ftp access to apache17:39
infinityn6rej: And then mode 2775 (set-group-id, rwx to root, rwx to $user, rx to "all")17:39
infinityn6rej: So all files/directories created under /var/www get that sticky bit.17:40
infinityn6rej: (If there are already files under there, you'll need to muck with their permissions by hand...)17:40
n6rejinfinity: ok.17:40
sommerzul: maybe this evening... never setup munin, use nagios myself17:41
soreninfinity: Do you have an opinion on using fastcgi php5 instead of libapache2-mod-php5 by default?17:41
infinityn6rej: chown -R root:$user /var/www ; chmod -R 664 /var/www ; find -type d /var/www | xargs chmod 277517:41
zulsommer: cool just use a vm or something17:41
infinitysoren: It's a pain in the ass, it doesn't always work as "expected" for some PHP developers, it lacks some fancy features of being tied into the web server directly.17:41
n6rejtyvm!!!17:42
soreninfinity: In other words: "Go for it!" ?17:42
infinitysoren: Pros would be "it's faster" and it can be configured to be potentially more secure.17:42
soreninfinity: Yeah, the worker mpm sure would be nice.17:42
infinitysoren: But, honestly, mod_php serves more people's uses better, IMO.17:42
soreninfinity: I mean... It is Intrepid, after all. It's a good time to switch and get all the bugs worked out over the course of the release and possibly the next one.17:42
infinitysoren: The better option, IMO, is reopening the dialog upstream about the future of support for TSRM in PHP.17:43
soreninfinity: I'm not so sure.17:43
infinitysoren: fastcgi always has been, IME, a hideous hack.  mod_$lang has always worked better, it would just be swell if PHP was threaded-by-default.17:43
PCChrisRoAkSoAx: awesome, I think everything [might be] working now.  Thank you so much for the help.  (is it a problem if the images in the ISPConfig interface are broken, though?)17:43
soreninfinity: The security aspects of fastcgi makes me happy.17:43
soreninfinity: Why do you consider it a hack?17:44
infinitysoren: Meh.  Hand-wavy.  There's nothing secure about fastcgi by default.  One can potentially mangle it to be more secure (ish), but then again, one can install PHP in fastcgi mode too, if they plan to mangle things.17:44
infinitysoren: FastCGI is really a framework for distributing CGI jobs to multiple machines.  From back in the bad old days when all corporate CGI was a mess of perl and C, running on very slow machines.17:46
infinitysoren: The fact that we use it today as a hackish workaround for "running unthreaded apps in a threaded webserver" is cute and all, but it's a speed *hit* compared to what one would get with a native threaded mod_$foo.17:46
RoAkSoAxPCChris, if they are broken might be cause they don't have the right permissions to be accessed17:46
infinitysoren: And, if the big reason to switch to FastCGI is because "prefork is slow, ZOMG", then why pull the woll over people's eyes by offering them a differently unideal solution, rather than pursuing the ideal?17:47
soreninfinity: Well, ultimately, I'd like us have a php-cgi process per user to get rid of safe_mode and all that crap, too.17:47
infinitysoren: (Or, another angle, if your argument really is the potential to do security wrappers and such, will you be replacing mod_perl and mod_python with fastcgi implementations?)17:48
sorensafe_mode... Now, *there's* a hack if there ever was one.17:48
soreninfinity: I would like that, yes.17:48
infinitySafe mode just shouldn't exist.  If it never existed, no one would claim that PHP should hold their hands and be secure in the face of bad programming.17:49
infinityWell, I suppose safe_mode is more about protecting users from other users.17:49
infinityBut still.  Bah.17:49
infinitysoren: I suspect you'll get a lot of very angry people if you try to take away mod_python and mod_perl.17:49
infinitysoren: A lot of work has gone into php-cgi to make it "kinda, almost, but not quite" behave identically to mod_php.  There's no such luck with perl or python, where the apache modules behave drastically differently from the raw interpreter.17:50
soreninfinity: I know. It's not something I imagine will happen any time soon, but at some point, I'd certainly not reject the idea.17:50
infinitysoren: Fair enough.  My point is that I *do* reject the idea. :)17:51
sorenBah.17:51
soren:)17:51
sorenAnyhow...17:52
infinitysoren: As a man who's run many incredibly busy CGI/script-dependant sites, while there are cases where one might want "secure-by-default" (ISPs... And... ISPs... And... ISPs?), the vast majority want speed, speed, speed.17:52
* soren calls it a day17:52
bdmurraybug 215571 might be worth looking at18:03
uvirtbot`Launchpad bug 215571 in system-config-samba "system-config-samba.py crashed with OSError in onHelpClicked()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21557118:03
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psyferrecan anyone give me a few pointers with how to add a script to rc2.d ?  I have my script in there, but i must have given i the wrong permissions or something because it will only run manually... it doesn't run during startup18:05
throckI just upgraded a server from 7.10 to 8.04.  Worked great.  But now I have errors on boot (could have been there before the upgrade too, not sure).  The error from dmesg is:  ALSA /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-server/sound/alsa-driver/pci/via82xx.c:581: codec_read: codec 0 is not valid [0xfe0000],  plus 3 more just like it.18:06
stickystylepsyferre: #update-rc.d /etc/init/your_script_name defaults18:10
kirkland"There was some discussion about rewriting the page using ActiveX - it didn't18:11
kirklandget far due to a lack of interest in this technology."   :-D18:11
psyferrestickystyle: Thanks!! I'll give that a try18:11
kirklandmathiaz: ^^18:11
kirklandwhat a sense of humour mathiaz has ;-)18:12
Assidbah.. its still compiling18:13
Assidstupid kernel18:14
uvirtbot`New bug: #235809 in apache2 (main) "apache2 startup script fails to stop apache2 at times." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23580918:16
mathiazkirkland: isn't that what happened during the meeting ?18:21
kirklandmathiaz: um, yeah, and you do understand that was a joke, right?18:22
mathiazkirkland: I'm just reporting the truth, the only truth ;)18:22
kirklandmathiaz: :-p18:22
kirklandmathiaz: okay, i think i've done everything i need to do for the ubuntu-virt-* meta packages...  awaiting reviews18:24
mathiazkirkland: right - I've looked at it - why did you set the maintainer to yourself rather than the ubuntu-motu team ?18:24
kirklandmathiaz: hmm, that wasn't a conscious omission18:25
kirklandmathiaz: that can be fixed18:25
throckAny ideas on my ALSA boot errors?18:33
dbrewer_rjrI just configured ubuntu hardy server on an ibm server running vmware esxi. i am getting an error on boot "Host SMBus controller not enabled." Is this serious? everything seems to be working.18:44
dbrewer_rjroops i meant gutsy18:44
psyferrestickystyle:  I finally got my script worked out so that just doing /etc/init/scriptname start will run the script successfully and then used   update-rc.d scriptname defaults 88 to add it to the runlvls at the appropriate place.  It still for some reason, does not run at bootup... any idea why?18:47
_rubenpsyferre: it most likely runs in a slightly different environment where certain variables/commands/etc are not available (yet)18:48
psyferrestickystyle: i've seen that in some flavors of linux i have to do something like add scriptname_enabled='YES' in a file like rc.conf.... i don't see anything like that  in ubuntu.  Am i missing something?18:48
psyferre_ruben: thanks for the reply... that could quite possibly be it.  is there any way I can minimize the chances of that?  my script is a very simple one... just mounting a samba share18:49
psyferre_ruben: i made sure that it *should* run after samba starts18:49
brewmaster_anyone familiar with 'pound'?18:49
_rubenpsyferre: why not add it to fstab?18:49
psyferre_ruben: i went down that road once before and never had any luck.  I'll try again :)18:50
PCChrisI can't ping or access my Ubuntu server from anything other than localhost or 127.0.0.1 on the server machine18:53
PCChrisThe lan address also works but only server-side18:54
neerfrimathiaz: do you know how I can reach David Portwood ? he should be named macd here, but as of now he isn't answering me...18:56
Assiderr can kvm be defined to give a VM only 200mhz of the available processor?18:57
_rubenPCChris: can you ping anything *from* your server? if so: most likely a firewall18:57
PCChrisyes, I can ping from server but not to18:57
_rubenPCChris: sounds like a firewall :)18:57
PCChrisanything server-side as far as firewall that Ubuntu would come with?18:58
_rubenPCChris: hardy is the first release to have one i think: ufw18:58
PCChristhat's what I'm on18:59
PCChrisusing wireless to connect to my lan-and the laptop show up in the dhcp list for my Belkin router19:00
PCChris...I think I might have an Apache problem, actually...maybe only listening on localhost?19:01
Ali_ixPCChris: if you cant even ping your server, there is some routing/firewall blocking problem19:03
psyferre_ruben: hi again.. i tried putting the appropriate linein fstab, and it works if I do mount -a, but ona reboot the share is still not mounted.... any idea why?19:03
Ali_ixPCChris: you can check teh listenings with netstat command19:03
psyferre_ruben: thanks again for all your help19:03
_rubenpsyferre: any errors showing at boot time ?19:04
PCChrisnetstat -tap?19:05
PCChrisAli_ix: netstat -tap?19:08
Ali_ixPCChris: i preffer netstat -antp, but -tap works fine19:08
PCChrisWhat should I be looking for in it?19:09
Ali_ixPCChris: check if it is something like '*:80' or '*:www',19:09
Ali_ixPCChris: that means apache is not just listening localhost19:10
PCChrisAli_ix: don't see that19:10
Ali_ixPCChris: netstat -antp | grep apache19:10
PCChrisAli_ix: netstat -tap shows up with *:www though19:10
Ali_ixPCChris: or netstat -antp | grep :8019:10
Ali_ixPCChris: so it is ok19:11
Ali_ixPCChris: do you have and firewall/router in front of your ubuntu server?19:12
PCChrisyes, but I had it working previously-I'm redirecting port 80 and 8080 to the Ubuntu server19:12
Ali_ixPCChris: check that config again19:13
PCChrisyeah, port 80 and 8080 redirect to my Ubuntu ip which I just verified with ifconfig19:14
PCChriswait...ping is working now I think19:15
PCChrisit's somehow working now19:15
PCChrisunfortunately idk what changed19:15
PCChrisunless the router settings just weren't updated or something for some reason19:16
PCChrisAli_ix: thanks for the assistance, hopefully it won't start acting up again19:19
Ali_ixPCChris: try to telnet on 80 port from outside19:20
PCChristhat fails19:22
PCChrisas long as I'm doing it right19:23
PCChriswait, wrong port-how do I change telnet port?19:24
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Ali_ixPCChris: telnet IP PORT19:25
Ali_ixPCChris: telnet ip 80 (for webs erver)19:26
PCChrisdoesn't seem to work19:26
PCChrisI can ping and access the site, though19:26
Ali_ixPCChris: it is your router or the iptables on server that blocking apache, check both19:27
PCChrisAli_ix: I'm saying I can access it with external address now-or are you trying to determine why it wasn't working???19:28
Ali_ixPCChris: yes, but it doesnt  matter any more if it is working ;)19:28
PCChrisok (still wondering why it wasn't working, though)19:29
PCChrisAli_ix: thank you very much19:29
Ali_ixPCChris: np :)19:29
uvirtbot`New bug: #230016 in pilot-link (main) "[intrepid] Rebuild with perl 5.10" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23001619:46
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spiekeyhi20:16
spiekeyis there a way to check the CPU temperature?20:16
RoAkSoAxspiekey, http://www.techthrob.com/tech/linuxsensors.php20:16
emgentstickystyle: about rapache see planet :)20:21
spiekeyermm...: http://pastebin.com/m322228e020:23
spiekeyi am not sure what temparature that is :-/20:23
blue-frogbeginning to be hot20:24
spiekeyis this the cpu or power supply or what is it?20:25
spiekeyline 14 is the only one with degres on it.20:25
blue-frogi assume cpu but don't know for sure20:26
spiekeyok, thanks!20:26
blue-froghum if adpater there woul be a problem I guess at that temp20:26
blue-froganyway how could the motherboard knows about the adpater?20:27
nxvlkirkland: no luck20:39
kirklandnxvl: you called?20:39
nxvlnop20:40
nxvli go20:40
nxvlthey said there was people until 720:41
nxvlso maybe someone took it20:41
nxvlthey called to room service and there was the guard of the 3th floor, who called his collegue20:41
nxvland no one knew anything20:41
emgentkees: ping20:42
kirklandnxvl: bummer20:42
kirklandnxvl: thanks so much for trying20:42
kirklandnxvl: you da man20:42
kirklandnxvl: i emailed a bunch of people there20:42
nxvli will love that someone makes the same for me, so there was no problem20:42
nxvl:D20:42
nxvlalso i don;t have much to do20:43
nxvli'm just on the bar of the hostal drinking a beer and geeking around20:43
nxvl:D20:43
kirklandnxvl: which hostel?20:43
kirklandnxvl: I stayed at an awesome place called The Boathouse in Prague in May 200120:43
emgentpeople rapache pre-pre-pre alpha with GUI is out, see planet20:44
stickystyleemgent: Very nice.20:46
nxvli'm in Traveler's hostel20:47
nxvlit awesome20:47
nxvlemgent: btw, i will take a look and maybe help you20:47
nxvlemgent: it will help with my project, if you don't mind that i use it somewhen as a module :D20:47
RoAkSoAxnxvl, go look for some ladies :P20:48
nxvlRoAkSoAx: i just want to go home20:48
emgentnxvl: :)20:48
RoAkSoAxnxvl, hahaha why?? you have to come back to work!!20:48
nxvlemgent: i will when i go home and catch the correct timezone :D20:49
nxvlRoAkSoAx: because europe is expensive, they don't have ceviche, aji de gallina, you don't put your life in danger when you walk on the streets20:50
RoAkSoAxnxvl, hahahaha or have to pay a transit police officer if he stops ya!! oh well!! that's why we love Perú :P :D20:51
uvirtbot`New bug: #235856 in dhcp3 (main) "dhcdbd still uses old dbus-send location" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23585620:51
JanCnxvl: you're peruvian?21:01
JanCand Prague is actually quite cheap compared to some other places in Europe...21:02
RoAkSoAxJanC, i'm peruvian aswell xD21:08
JanCgreat21:08
nxvlone peruvian developer per version21:08
nxvl:D21:08
nxvls/version/release21:08
JanCwow, that's even greater  ;)21:09
nxvli started with hardy and RoAkSoAx with intepid21:09
nxvli hope to see more peruvian involved21:09
nxvlRoAkSoAx: and that's our work21:09
JanCdon't forget to involve non-develoeprs too  ;-)21:10
nxvlwell21:10
RoAkSoAxyeah, we are trying to do that but it's kinda hard since everyone on the Peruvian LoCo work, and we have like different schedules.. but well.. we gonna start giving *21:10
RoAkSoAxclases21:10
nxvlwe have people involved in translations21:10
nxvland in artwork21:10
JanCtranslations & artwork are important too21:11
JanCbut for things like advocacy, you don't necessarily need technical people21:12
JanCtry to get some people who aren't in IT to get involved21:12
emgentkees: 5th June next Security Meeting, true?21:12
JanCthey might also have some interesting input...21:13
JanChm, this is probably off-topic here  ;-)21:13
keesemgent: that's correct21:13
emgentkees: so if it`s ok for you, I think that we can start pt21:14
JanC2008-06-05 isn't on the Ubuntu agenda  ;-)21:14
keesemgent: pt?21:14
keesemgent: white-hat stuff?21:14
JanC(the calendar on the Fridge)21:14
emgentschedule pt, yeah21:14
keesemgent: feel free to add stuff to the agenda, email the hardened mailing list, etc.21:14
emgentok thanks21:15
emgent:)21:15
keesJanC: hm, can you fix that?21:15
JanCnot myself, the fridge people can21:15
JanCkees: boredandblogging can change the fridge calendar21:18
emgentkees: one or two hours?21:19
keesemgent: I'm hoping that the Ubuntu Security Team meeting will be 1 hour.  If you need a separate white-hat meeting, go ahead and get it scheduled too21:20
JanCwhat's the white-hat meeting supposed to be about?21:23
emgentkees: cool -- i think to try in security meeting for now and if we will need more time, i will schedule another meeting only for ubuntu-whitehat.21:26
keesemgent: okay21:33
michalskihey when removing something it says: E: ebox-ntp: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 121:33
michalskihow do i remove this?21:33
keesemgent: I think you updated the wrong thing (not the Meeting agenda)21:44
emgentkees: oops21:50
emgentjust a moment..21:50
tritonxquestion: What is it that tell the browser what name(domain) to show? ie: I have a few domain name at godaddy, but for now I only use redirecting to the proper place and my adress is always a no-ip one. Is there a way I could make it show another address?21:50
emgentkees: fixed, sorry21:51
bobboWhere can i find the default apache2 envvars file?21:56
keesemgent: np -- I just wanted to make sure you actually got on the schedule.  :)21:56
emgentthanks :)21:57
emgentnight people i go to sleep22:01

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