[00:14] owh: its apart of a spec that was discussed at UDS [00:23] hey people [00:23] please take a look in planet about rapache [00:25] bdmurray: ping [00:27] emgent: thats pretty intersting...does anything exist yet? [00:27] emgent: sounds cool ツ [00:29] stickystyle: pre-pre-alpha [00:29] kirkland: pong [00:29] i will push it [00:29] bdmurray: updated http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/search.html [00:29] is the focus the actual apache2 config, or vhost config? [00:30] bdmurray: added an irclogs filter, plus a few more [00:31] stickystyle: the goal is for all apache2 managing (VHOST, SSL, PHP and more) [00:31] I hope to do it for Intrepid [00:32] kirkland: cool, what about changelogs? maybe via -changes mailing lists? [00:32] bdmurray: good call, i might put that under "Code" [00:33] emgent: well I'll be folowing it. Quite a undertaking, best of luck with it. [00:33] bdmurray: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/ [00:34] oh yeah, that'd be better ;) [00:34] stickystyle: thanks :) [00:36] bdmurray: done! [00:56] New bug: #235625 in samba (main) "CIFS: broken support of symlinks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/235625 [01:45] hi all, I liked to install ubuntu 8,04 on IBM X3400 but on this page http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/200712-192/ say compatible and not certified. That means something is not working?? [01:46] some body here :) [01:47] newzen: "Compatible" is fine. [01:49] everything works on that status?? [01:49] Should do. [01:49] Most of the machines in the Canonical DC are HP Proliants, and they're all just "compatible". :) [01:50] ok, ty infinity. im going to install ;) [01:52] quit [01:56] I'm trying to setup ISPConfig with Apache but when I visit certain pages on ISPConfig I get "The connection to 127.0.0.1:81 was interrupted while the page was loading." [01:57] I also get "The connection to 127.0.0.1:81 was interrupted while the page was loading." while starting Apache [01:58] *"apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName" while loading Apache [01:58] sommer: congrats for your membership :) ! [01:58] mathiaz: thanks man [02:00] ...anybody have any ideas? It would be greatly appreciated. [02:00] PCChris: sorry never used ISPConfig, what is it? [02:01] a web based control panel to manage servers, databases, etc. [02:01] idk if I have an ssl problem [02:08] now I get "SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length." [02:09] PCChris: are you using a cert from a CA or self-signed? not sure if it makes a difference though [02:10] self-signed...or trying to at least [02:10] are there any other errors in /var/log/apache2/error.log ? [02:10] at least ones that pertain [02:11] checking that [02:11] doesn't look like it [02:12] Last thing is "[Wed May 28 21:07:24 2008] [notice] Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.4-2ubuntu5.1 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ruby/1.2.6 Ruby/1.8.6(2007-09-24) mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.8g configured -- resuming normal operations" [02:13] regarding "127.0.0.1:81" did you configure apache to listen to port 81? [02:13] ISPConfig listens on port 81 by default after it changes some configs [02:13] PCChris, there is a great howto for ISPConfig on www.howtoforge.com [02:15] PCChris: did you install ispconfig from a ubuntu package? [02:15] I see the "first steps" one but I can't even get to some of the settings pages it mentions [02:15] sommer: no, manual install [02:15] I don't believe there is a package for it [02:16] PCChris, i have followed step by step this: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts and it worked just fine [02:17] I actually followed that, though it doesn't go into ISPConfig installation [02:17] I can re-read through it to see if I missed anything [02:18] It may be good to mention I'm using the desktop Ubuntu and not the server edition [02:19] PCChris, after following that howto, i followed this: http://www.ispconfig.org/manual_installation.htm as told in the howto [02:19] and it worked without problems [02:19] that's where I went and I got all the way through the setup w/o problem but then when I try to go to pages such as server settings in ISPConfig it gives me errors [02:20] weird then.. maybe you missed something or is something related to the username you using or with the config. [02:21] cuz, i followed it and had full access to everything [02:22] additionally, some of the images in the ISPConfig interface are broken [02:23] PCChris, maybe is realted to the ISPConfig version you've installed [02:23] I got the newest one [02:23] stable [02:24] i think i installed the unstable one [02:24] maybe that's why [02:24] hmm... [02:25] do you know anything about the v3 one? [02:25] ...or what uninstallation entails [if anything]? [02:26] don't really know that... but should be an uninstall script somewhere in the source folder [02:27] sure you're using the unstable one? [02:27] PCChris, yeah v3 [02:27] that's the one i used [02:29] ISPConfig 3 Beta? Sorry, just don't want to crash my whole computer or anything, I've been through reinstallations before... [02:31] i am following tutorial on internet conection sharing , but it seems i cant get it to work. it looks pretty straight forward but after i reboot i lose connection to internet. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370 , any help is appriciated. [02:33] PCChris, yeah i used that one... in a VPS server [02:34] thanks, I'm installing now (installation guide also seems more thorough) [02:35] btw, what do you put for domain name if you're using a redirection service to redirect to your ip? [02:36] PCChris, i think that domain is used for the DNS server... so i guess you could use it aswell... i've never tried that but should be the domain that the server manages [02:40] m13, you want to share your inet connection for other to connect through your wireless card? [02:41] RoAkSoAx: think i got it runing [02:42] RoAkSoAx: router(net)/AP----wlan2/eth0---switch for internal network [02:43] m13, cause if you want to share your inet connection through a ethernet card, you only need 2 lines, 1 to enable packet forwarding and the other to introduce the iptables rule [02:43] yes wlan2 is incoming / eth0 is outgoing [02:43] seems i got it runing as server is updating finally :) [02:44] m13, so you just need to enable packet forwarding and the iptables rule... [02:44] RoAkSoAx: dnsmasq and ipmasq ? [02:44] not really [02:45] RoAkSoAx: problem is i want serve later PXE install server on same network over eth0 so i got dhcp server setup and since dnsmasq already got dhcp in it i thought i would need to do some tinkering on it [02:46] sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o eth1 -j SNAT --to 192.168.1.31 -->my iptables rule. 192.168.0.0 is my internal network that the ethernet card manages (you need to put IP 192.168.0.1 to the ethernet card) and eth1 is the output iface (which is wireless) and 192.168.1.31 is the IP of eth1 [02:48] RoAkSoAx: u using wireless access as internal network ? [02:49] m13, w. router->wlan.laptop.ethernet->ethernet.desktop [02:50] RoAkSoAx: ah i see , same setup i want then [02:50] RoAkSoAx: so u think i can uninstall dnsmasq and ipmasq ? [02:50] i do that because i have 4 VM's on laptop and 4 o desktop and i need bridged networking, and vmware does not amange bridged networking for wireless cards [02:51] RoAkSoAx: i use vbox for that and have usb wlan card, it is working ok [02:51] m13, yeah i would do.. i only have enabled packet forwarding and use that iptables rules, and set static IP's. If you want dynamic you can install a dhcp server [02:51] m13, yeah in vbox works, but i like vmware better xD [02:52] RoAkSoAx: i need DHCP for PXE install server later on eth0 [02:52] RoAkSoAx: important is that it does the job , for VM's :) [02:53] m13, tyou can follow this simple config for dhcp: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/dhcp.html [02:53] RoAkSoAx: i check [02:55] RoAkSoAx: i have similar config and added lines for pxelinux.0 , think it should be ok [02:55] yep it should [02:58] RoAkSoAx: many tnx for help and info m8 , server is upgrading :) [02:58] haha welcom ;) [03:02] oh nice ,ssh fix already working :) [03:19] I unfortunately ran into a new problem [03:19] "modprobe capability [03:19] FATAL: Module capability not found." [03:23] PCChris, are u installing it as root? [03:24] yes [03:24] I did a sudo su [03:27] sudo -i [03:27] the correct way to enter root terminal is to use sudo -i [03:27] but i doubt that that was the problem [03:27] oh, I was just following the ispconfig instructions [03:28] nope, didn't fix it [03:28] PCChris, have you verified that you have to modprobe "capability" por is it other name and maybe u using the example one [03:29] it's capability [03:30] weird then.. so the kernel does not has that module enabled then [03:31] Is there a way to fix that then? [03:33] PCChris, what do you need that module for? [03:33] idk, it was just in the instructions [03:34] pureftpd or quota it looks like [03:34] of ispconfig? [03:34] yes [03:34] i checked the instructions and i cant find that [03:34] I'm in the installation text that comes with v3 [03:35] PCChris, follow the one online for v2 version [03:35] when i installed, i don't remember doing that [03:35] ok, I think I might be able to install pureftpd through Synaptic though [03:35] New bug: #235646 in likewise-open (main) "Cannot Print to PDF using Likewise-Open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/235646 [03:35] yes you can [03:36] I'll just try Synaptic first, then if I run into more problems I'll probably go to the online guide [03:37] maybe it is because you haven't install pureftp [03:58] RoAkSoAx: going good so far (I was stuck on some MySql stuff until I realized I kept putting in the wrong root password) [03:58] lol [03:58] haha it happens [04:04] aggh! httpd not running is what I get now [04:06] does a dhcp server have to be plugged in as a "gateway" [04:06] no [04:06] phynix, not necessary [04:07] PCChris, what are you trying to do? [04:07] start apache [04:07] hmm ok. I have one set up. It assigns addresses but won't allow internet connecton to the wan [04:07] PCChris, whats the bigger picture? [04:08] I sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart then it says apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName [04:08] httpd (pid 9994?) not running [04:09] the hostname error isnt fatal. its just an annoyance (most of the time). [04:09] PCChris, check /var/log/apache/{access,error}.log and check the output [04:11] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15462/ [04:11] anyone know what causes high IO wait times with 3ware controllers? [04:12] crap controller? [04:13] PCChris, and apache /is/ running or /isnt/ currently? [04:13] unable to start piped log program '/root/ispconfig/cronolog --symlink=/var/log/httpd/ispconfig_access_log /var/log/httpd/ispconfig_access_log_%Y_%m_%d': No such file or directory [04:13] ^^ ispconfig? [04:13] Kamping_Kaiser: Error: "^" is not a valid command. [04:13] it is not currently [04:13] uvirtbot`, bugger off [04:13] Kamping_Kaiser: Error: "bugger" is not a valid command. [04:13] whois is the bot? [04:14] *who's [04:14] nijaba, is it yours? [04:15] PCChris, i have no idea about ispconfig, so i'm not keen to try and unbreak something its touched [04:16] New bug: #235653 in nut (main) "ACL covering all IPv4 addresses is broken in 2.2.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/235653 [04:17] RoAkSoAx: any ideas? [04:18] PCChris, what does it says when you do /etc/init.d/apache2 start [04:19] apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName [04:21] PCChris, you need to add ServerName ip-address in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf i think [04:21] dont have apache installed currently [04:21] but is in the config file for apache [04:23] I g2g, sorry [04:23] will have to look at it later [04:23] RoAkSoAx, the correct thing would be to fix his hostname, not hack around it :) [04:24] Kamping_Kaiser, i always had the same warning even if i had the correct hostname [04:24] RoAkSoAx, then your hostname was setup wrong :) [04:25] Kamping_Kaiser, don't think so... ;) :P [04:25] the only time you should have to set it in apache is if your making the apache hostname different to the system hostname [04:25] RoAkSoAx, i'm right, your not :P *grin* [04:26] Kamping_Kaiser, if that's so, hostname, hostname -f, and uname -n commands wouldn't show the hostname correctly [04:27] RoAkSoAx, hostname -d needs to be happy too (and hostname -a, but that should be ok if the others are) [04:30] they are ;) [04:31] :) [04:49] is it best to build server from JEOS for the best performance? [04:50] seems excessive [05:00] And you'd end up with the same stuff, just installed slower :) [05:00] nod :) [05:01] well that's pointless then, i'll go for full server [05:02] is ebox and webmin a good combo for management? [05:02] no. i can recommend vim and screen though [05:03] * hads giggles [05:03] I was about to type that. [05:03] lol [05:03] lol [05:03] lol [05:03] \o\ [05:04] :o hehe [05:05] i like timesaving devices [05:05] hads: surely you wouldn't [05:06] Hey ajmitch :) how goes the bug fixing? [05:08] mind rotting, need beer... [05:08] :) [05:09] I've got at least the major ones out of the way for today [05:14] * Surfer20 Visit http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com (upload pic make mag) - http://www.SillyWebcam.com (play with webcam online) - http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com (insulter/anon email) - http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com (fun) - http://www.BodySwitcher.com (put your face on funny body) - http://www.MedChecker.com (health) - http://www.Canuckster.com (Canada eh) - http://www.Nerdful.com (geeks) === Surfer20 changed the topic of #ubuntu-server to: -=[ www.WHAK.com ]=- Make Free/Fun Graphics Online At http://www.ImageGenerator.org =) [05:14] Hmmm === hads changed the topic of #ubuntu-server to: Ubuntu Server discussion and support | For general (not servehir specific) support visit #ubuntu | Get involved: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved | Guide to asking questions on IRC: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | Be patient. Don't ask to ask, just ask. | server guide: http://tinyurl.com/65jzxw | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam [05:25] "not servehir specific"? [05:25] heh, that was the last topic before the spam. === hads changed the topic of #ubuntu-server to: Ubuntu Server discussion and support | For general (not server specific) support visit #ubuntu | Get involved: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved | Guide to asking questions on IRC: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | Be patient. Don't ask to ask, just ask. | server guide: http://tinyurl.com/65jzxw | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam [05:26] i never notice topics getting changed :/ === thomas__ is now known as The-Kernel === RockHound_ is now known as RockHound [07:47] moin [07:47] moinsen [08:44] hello, my quey is that i want to run ubuntu server with a gui pkakage (openbox3 or fluxbox or icewm) i also want a tftp server to share data to only 2 clients(my system is 256mb ram 1.4ghz processer and 64mb vram) [08:45] will it work on this config and will it be easy to install other DE or WM easily [08:45] That is not a question. [08:45] Yeah, sure it'll work. [08:46] so is install openbox or fluxbox easy and does ubuntu server has all the pakages ubuntu dektop has [08:46] Ubuntu server and desktop share the same repositories. [08:47] Ubuntu server just installs less packages by default. [08:47] ..and a different kernel. [08:47] That's it. [08:48] what will e the best gui ican run on ths server (iam using it because gnome and kde are very slow)(i want good graraphics and all menu's etc.. all most like gnome) [08:48] *e be [08:49] xfce, probably. [08:49] I don't see why you want a gui on your server, though. [08:50] iam not soo good at the CLI also the server will be my desktop (ubuntu has preloaded GUI's) [08:51] you cant properly admin a server through a gui [08:51] yes that is another reason but mainly for a desktop [08:52] xfce gives good but i want to know if it will give me enough memory to run a 96mb application [08:54] its just a tftp server (it will be desktop mainly) [08:54] What 96MB app? [08:56] Counter-strike server (approx 96mb ) [08:57] so your running a desktop, apache, counterstrike all on 264mb of ram? [08:57] *254 [08:57] *256 [08:57] :| i'll get there eventually [08:57] not all togteher [08:58] i want a desktop that will run good (not slow) on my system with anyothe gui (not xubuntu) [08:59] * Kamping_Kaiser leaves you to it [09:00] * soren points liassist at the topic [09:00] please, tell me how to install openbox3 or fluxbox or icewm [09:00] please, ask in #ubuntu [09:00] on ubuntu server [09:00] "server" [09:00] I just told you... [09:00] ! [09:00] 07:46:59 < soren> Ubuntu server and desktop share the same repositories. [09:00] 07:47:07 < soren> Ubuntu server just installs less packages by default. [09:00] 07:47:11 < soren> ..and a different kernel. [09:00] 07:47:14 < soren> That's it. [09:01] "For general (not server specific) support visit #ubuntu" <--- It's in the topic [09:01] This is not server specific. [09:01] You're asking about installing desktops. [09:01] ok thanks soren (last are there any GUI pakages for TFTP) [09:01] I very much doubt it. [09:01] Why tftp? [09:02] ftp will do or vsftp [09:02] *why* do you want ftp [09:02] at all [09:02] to share data with only 2 clients [09:03] then your not after tftp. and depending on the clients, use scp/rsync/anythingthatsnotftp [09:04] a way to share data (smb will do?) [09:05] depends on the clients. .. [09:05] thier winxp clients [09:06] smb probably then. (although it doesnt such a whole lot less then ftp) [09:06] Hello! [09:06] http://pastebin.com/m6678dfeb --> how can i only install the ssh blackilst? [09:07] oh, and openssh-client openssh-server [09:07] i do not want to upgrade the kernel stuff [09:07] security? will that will be an issue (i've installed selinux) [09:07] spiekey, just apt-get install , it'll update them [09:09] Kamping_Kaiser: very cool! thanks! [09:09] this channel rocks :) [09:09] aww :) [09:09] :)) [09:12] :) [09:13] liassist asked in both #debian and here about that quetion, fyi [09:13] * Kamping_Kaiser gets irate over that (it may have shown) [09:25] 'morning all [09:25] o/ [09:25] dag, soren [09:26] Some docs on the possibility of the openldap AD proxy are here: [09:26] http://www.connexitor.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20 [09:27] as well as 'man slapo-translucent' [09:29] Cool. [09:38] bonjour Dan [09:45] Koon: salut Thierry [09:46] can i use a public ubuntu generated ssh-key for putty, too? [09:47] you need to use puttygen to convert ssh-keygen'd keys into ppk format. [09:51] hello everyone.... can anyone help me with setting up a home file/print server? [09:51] or direct me to a good guide.... [10:14] * danshearer is away: back in an hour === ogra_ is now known as ogra === danshearer is now known as danshearer1 [11:32] halpppp [11:33] !ask | fohdeesha1 [11:33] fohdeesha1: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) [11:33] whats the package that gives the console fonts, so folder show up one color files another etc [11:35] thats an ls setting [11:36] really? I thought it was a package [11:36] it may be. but its an ls setting [11:36] ls --color=auto [11:38] Should be set by dircolors which is in coreutils which will be installed. [11:38] ah thanks that did the trick, although my buddy always installed some fonts package which did that automatically [11:39] hads, whats dircolors do exactly, apart from modify an ls environment variable? :) [11:40] That's it AFAIK [11:40] :) [11:40] hehe [11:40] I'm sure someone who knows more can correct me, I don't know that much about it. [11:41] From the manpage, "Output commands to set the LS_COLORS environment variable" - it would seem that's it. [12:00] hello [12:01] i'd like to setup ubuntu server on a single hdd next to RAID5 matrix [12:01] when I install it normally, the GRUB can't boot and throws error 15 [12:01] how to fix it? [12:12] I HACKED THE GIBSON [12:13] a) What's "the gibson", b) who cares? [12:14] http://www.google.com/search?q=hacked+the+gibson&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [12:14] Welcome to the internet. [12:15] welcome to 13 years ago . . . get a new catchphrase [12:15] protip: take a joke [12:15] fohdeesha1, protip for you: dont piss off the people you want help from [12:16] LULZ HOLY FUCK IM RUNNING DEBIAN NOT UBUNTUY AND CONNED YOU INTO HELPING ME HOLY FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK [12:16] watch your language please [12:16] lol no kick? a lot more lax than the bsd guys [12:16] no ops looking. they'll be back ;) [12:19] kthxbye [12:19] hes back. [12:19] *heh* [12:20] He's been here before? [12:20] soren, your back. [12:20] Oh. Heh :)* [12:20] well [12:20] got any idea? [12:20] :) [12:21] nooga: What do you mean by "normally"? [12:22] normally: insert cd, hit next, next, next, next till end of installation ;D [12:24] ... [12:24] Oh, then it works. [12:25] Look, if you want help, you need to be helpful yourself. [12:26] okay, now i tried to manually partition disks: RAID5 (hda, hdb, hdc set to work under RAID), hdd: bootable / and swap partition [12:27] and it's the same [12:27] grub throws error 15 [12:27] You're trying to boot off of the 4th disk in the system? [12:28] dunno, in bios it seems to be hd0 [12:28] but linux sees it as hdd [12:28] as if the matrix was first [12:29] Yeah, that would do it.. [12:29] How soon do you get the erro 15? [12:30] after installation when i boot first time [12:30] ... [12:30] YEs, but *when*? [12:30] How far does it get? [12:31] sec [12:32] loading stage 1.5 [12:32] and then "GRUB loading, please wait..." [12:32] and then [12:32] boom ERROR 15 [12:33] brb [12:34] (cig brake) [12:34] Oh, good. That's easy then. [12:36] * soren takes a break [12:43] * danshearer is away: meeting [12:44] soren: what's easy? ;d [12:46] what do u mean? [12:50] To fix it. [12:51] You get a chance to hit ESC at some point. Do that. [12:53] when grub starts? [12:53] Yes. [12:54] does not work, grub throws error immediately [12:55] Ah. [12:56] Hm... I completely understand the problem, but I'm not sure who to guide you through fixing it. [12:56] the raid controller is on motherboard and that single drive is connected to additional sata socket, maybe i could connect it elsewhere and try to make RAID1 with one disk, next to the RAID5 with 3 disks and then try to install ubuntu on that RAID1 [12:56] nooga: One thing you could do, though.. [12:57] nooga: Go through the installation again, but pass "edd=on" on the kernel command line. [12:57] That should make grub install itself on the right disk and also know where to look for the stage1.5. [12:58] when exactly i should pass that arg? [12:58] When you boot the installer. === Tophat_offwork is now known as Tophat [13:01] okay [13:03] ah, hit f6 in the cd menu and just add "edd=on" in the end? [13:03] after -- ? [13:04] Yeah. [13:04] what is the security number to use for a ldap home directory? ie is it 644? I have the Ownership set to testuser:Domain User. I don't want others users to see a home folder that is not theirs. [13:06] Define "see". [13:06] cjsstables: then you need 700 [13:07] with 4 one could be able to read a file if he know the exact name [13:07] No. [13:08] With 4 you could find all the exact names of everything, but not access them. With 1, you could access them if you knew their name (and have access to the file itself), but not list the names. [13:09] cjsstables: Define "see". [13:10] Or don't. [13:10] *shrug* [13:11] soren: if user xxx is logged on the domain, user xxx would not be able to view user yyy home directory with a file manager like thunar [13:11] Define "view", then. [13:11] cjsstables: Do you want users to be able to determine the existence of other users' home directories? Do you want other users' to be able to list the contents of the home directories? Do you want other users to be able to access things in the home directories? [13:11] What? [13:12] soren answer is as follows. user xxx cannot determine existance of user yyy home directory [13:13] soren sorry. ty for correcting [13:13] user xxx cannot list content of user yyy home directory [13:13] Then you need 701 on /home as well. [13:14] ..but that seems rather pointless as ldap and nss and stuff will likely reveal their existence anyway. [13:14] I'm just trying to point out that "see" is not a very useful term. There are several layers to be taken into account. [13:15] I could have just given you the easy, but not fully correnct, answer: 700. [13:15] ...but that's not really my style. [13:15] ok no problem. why do we want to give "others" execute permission with 701 [13:17] soren,, your previous comment about revealing access to others when in an ldap enviro. is that a common practice [13:17] Yes. [13:18] Without execute permissions you can't refer to anything inside a directory. [13:18] Like, say, your own home directory. [13:18] ...which would be inconvenient. [13:18]