[00:02] <ompaul> SWAT, go to sleep!
[00:02]  * ompaul grins
[00:04] <Jack_Sparrow> goodnight
[00:05]  * Seeker` wonders where ikonia is when you need him
[00:06] <elky> given the time in UK, probably sleeping
[00:06] <Jack_Sparrow> midnight
[00:06]  * Seeker` is perfectly aware of the time in the UK, having lived there for the whole of his life
[00:06] <PriceChild> burrrrrnnn...
[00:06] <Seeker`> :P
[00:06] <ompaul> well I am now very aware of the time
[00:06] <Jack_Sparrow> Ah.. didnt know...
[00:06] <ompaul> I am going to go
[00:07] <Jack_Sparrow> ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz
[00:07] <ompaul> to sleep cheers
[00:07] <PriceChild> elky: could you take a look at a couple of the things i've left in this channel? Namely #xubuntu, and +Fs.
[00:08] <Seeker`> elky: I first prodded him 2.5 hours ago
[00:08]  * jrib suspects randbot is indeed a bot
[00:08]  * Seeker` suspects that jrib does infact have ribs
[00:08] <jrib> heh
[00:09] <Seeker`> and that I am indeed seeking something
[00:10] <elky> whoa, what did they do to services...
[00:10] <Pici> What didn't they do to them?
[00:11] <elky> yeah, no kidding
[00:12] <elky> PriceChild, im not seeing anything about +Fs
[00:12] <Pici> fffffff
[00:13] <PriceChild> elky: as in, is it a good idea to give the four of us +F in the main channels, not all of them that irccouncil owns though
[00:14] <elky> let me look up what it means first
[00:18] <elky> forgive me, im ill and home from work, but im confused. why do we need forward exempts?
[00:54] <PriceChild> elky: +F on chanserv is founders access, means we don't have to use ubuntuirccouncil to edit things (see /msg chanserv help flags)
[01:00] <elky> PriceChild, oh. i didnt see that on the page, except in the +b block but with no explanation
[01:24] <Seeker`> lo
[01:32] <jrib> hi
[03:12] <tj83> Hello all. Is there a Operator available at the moment?
[03:14] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes
[03:14] <Jack_Sparrow> Surprise
[03:14] <tritium> tj83: What's up?
[03:15] <tj83> Well... I would like to suggest that reference be made to this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b in the IRC bot to help others with a hardware issue.. I have searched the wiki for duplicate topics with none found. Is this appropriate?
[03:15] <tj83> Hey Jack_sparrow LOL
[03:15] <tj83> hello tritium
[03:15] <Jack_Sparrow> tj83 Is there a bot trigger for it
[03:15] <tritium> hi tj83
[03:16] <tj83> Jack_Sparrow.... I dont know... I have the foggiest idea about the bot
[03:16] <tj83> or are you asking for a trigger name?
[03:17] <Jack_Sparrow> Didnt know if we already had a bot factoid for it
[03:17] <tj83> I dont think so.... its nowhere to be found in the wiki... surely there isnt a factoid... where is the list?
[03:18] <tj83> I dont care what we call it.. as long as it suits the subject well.
[03:19] <Jack_Sparrow> Noted will try to get that taken care of
[03:19] <Jack_Sparrow> !Realtek   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b
[03:20] <tj83> thank you... I come across many people in despair on this subject.. I hope this aids many.
[03:21] <mneptok> !realtek
[03:21] <tj83> is "Realtek" too vaige?
[03:21] <tj83> vague
[03:21] <mneptok> ubottu: relatek is <reply>some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b
[03:21] <mneptok> bah.
[03:22] <Jack_Sparrow> tj83 It needs to be short, we can add other card info to it
[03:22] <tj83> ok... thats why your the operator....
[03:22] <mneptok> ubottu: relatek is <reply>some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b
[03:22] <mneptok> curse you, you prattling pile of poopy Python!
[03:22] <elky> are you intentionlly mispelling realtek?
[03:22] <nalioth> mneptok: identify yourself, you imposter!
[03:23] <elky> !realtek
[03:23] <nalioth> it's not mneptok
[03:23]  * mneptok farts delicately
[03:23] <elky> um, his cloak changed?
[03:23] <mneptok> it did?
[03:23] <mneptok> not to my knowledge
[03:23] <nalioth> mneptok: services have changed.
[03:23] <elky> oh, i thought it used to be different
[03:24] <nalioth> mneptok: elky: neither of you are identified
[03:24] <mneptok> ubottu: realtek is <reply>some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b
[03:24] <Seeker`>  ubottu: relatek is <reply>some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b
[03:24] <Seeker`> haha
[03:24] <elky> nalioth, so we now remain cloaked even when not identified?
[03:25] <Seeker`> !forget relatek
[03:25] <nalioth> elky: weird, isn't it?
[03:25] <elky> or is my client just slow to figure?
[03:25] <elky> nalioth, stupid really
[03:25] <tj83> so if i wish to pull this up in a channel how do I do this?
[03:25] <Seeker`> you are identified to services
[03:25] <Seeker`> are you identified to the bot?
[03:25] <mneptok> !realtek
[03:25] <Seeker`>  ubottu: realtek is <reply>some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b
[03:25] <tj83> !Realtek
[03:25] <elky> !realtek is <reply>some help for recent Realtek chipsets can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b
[03:25] <elky> far out
[03:25] <Seeker`> elky: @whoami
[03:26] <elky> @whoami
[03:26] <elky> @login
[03:26] <Seeker`> mneptok: @whoamo
[03:26] <Seeker`> *whoami
[03:26] <mneptok> @whoibe
[03:27] <Jack_Sparrow> .. WhoDat
[03:28] <tj83> Thanks Guys...
[03:28] <tj83> I am outta here
[03:30] <Seeker`> seeya
[03:34] <tritium> Jack_Sparrow: hah ;)
[03:34] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[03:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Im getting punchy... time to call it a night
[04:07] <Hobbsee> sky didn't fall in, then?
[04:07] <Hobbsee> @login
[07:04] <Myrtti> jussi01: you better tell him about your thoughts of "do we need a factoid for every app available"
[07:05] <elky> !info scrot
[07:05] <elky> :(
[07:06] <elky> :D
[07:11] <jussi01> Myrtti: D
[08:10] <Myrtti> jussi01: would you mind if I'd suggest a person having an improvment idea about ubottu would come /msging straight to you?
[08:10] <Myrtti> ugh that was horribly put
[08:12] <tonyyarusso> Throw the cow over the fence some hay?
[08:13] <jussi01> Myrtti: people do it all the time, so thats ok. but they are better filing a bug, then I dont forget
[08:14] <jussi01> Myrtti: stdin is also a bot contact, so you can also contact him
[08:14] <Myrtti> jussi01: file a bug, how?
[08:15] <jussi01> !bug
[08:15] <jussi01> Myrtti: ^
[08:15] <Myrtti> !search ubuntu-bots
[08:15] <Myrtti> !best
[08:15] <Myrtti> !botabuse
[08:17] <Myrtti> though I just got this horrible idea of being the bug contact of ubottu
[08:18] <Myrtti> horrible, horrible eugh.
[08:18] <Myrtti> /me tries to shake the idea off
[08:23] <jussi01> hehe
[08:36] <Myrtti> I HATE THIS SCREEN/IRSSI BUG
[08:36] <Myrtti> who do I have to bribe to get rid of this
[08:38] <Hobbsee> which bug?
[08:39] <Myrtti> the one that makes overly long lines not to wrap correctly and making the content of the window previously visited to "leak" where the wrapped line should continue to
[08:40] <Myrtti> I've got no idea how to trace the problem...
[08:41] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[08:41] <Myrtti> happens in virtualized hardy server
[08:42] <Myrtti> not in "commandline" hardy
[08:42] <Hobbsee> dodgy.
[08:43] <Myrtti> it really freaks me out to see "confidential" text mixed up in a casual conversation
[08:43] <Myrtti> like "so which venereal disease did you get from that idiot" on #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:44] <Myrtti> and that was just an example
[08:45] <Myrtti> /me goes to find a bug to whine in
[09:56] <bazhang> mr. re-install is at it again.
[09:58] <Myrtti> should he be asked to come here
[09:58] <Myrtti> whaddaya think, ompaul?
[09:58] <ompaul> bazhang, who  is it and where
[09:58] <ompaul> do you want me to lead on it?
[09:58] <ompaul> or does anyone else?>
[09:58] <Myrtti> robg_
[09:59] <Myrtti> he's been advising people with all sorts of problems to just reinstall.
[09:59] <Myrtti> yesterday Seeker` (I believe) stopped an user from reinstalling the whole system just to get edubuntu to work.
[10:00] <Myrtti> and we've been watching his behaviour for about a week now.
[10:00] <ompaul> ffs
[10:00] <ompaul> let me look back
[10:00] <ompaul> invite issued
[10:01] <ompaul> lets sit back
[10:01] <ompaul> one more comment mute him
[10:01] <ompaul> as in one more _bad piece of advice_
[10:02] <Seeker`> Myrtti: that is correct
[10:02] <ompaul> Seeker`, can you get me the time of that
[10:02] <Myrtti> also Jack_Sparrow has been looking after him
[10:03] <Myrtti> I bet he stops now the advise stuff for about an hour
[10:04] <ompaul> fine will watch it also
[10:05] <Myrtti> I vaguely remember him stopping for a while with the bad advise after bazhang had asked him to stop with the "reinstall, two hours, done"-show
[10:05] <Myrtti> and then just carried on
[10:05] <ompaul> ack
[10:07] <Seeker`> ompaul: just looking
[10:07] <Seeker`> !logs
[10:08] <Seeker`> ompaul: "does robg_ regularly suggest that people reinstall"
[10:08] <Seeker`> search for that here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/05/29/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[10:11] <ompaul> Seeker`, thanks
[10:12] <jpds> 'lo Seeker`, ompaul
[10:12] <ompaul> not waiting
[10:12] <Myrtti> and whaddaya know, ompaul gave invite to -ops, robg_ going silent
[10:13] <Myrtti> could be a coincident, then again, might not be
[10:13]  * ompaul wonders
[10:14] <ompaul> now he is muted in #ubuntu
[10:15] <ompaul> good morning robg_
[10:15] <robg_> ompaul: good morning.
[10:15] <ompaul> any idea why you were asked to join here?
[10:15] <robg_> ompaul: god only knows.
[10:15] <ompaul> na
[10:16] <ompaul> I actually do :)
[10:16] <ikonia> Seeker`: you called me ?
[10:16] <Seeker`> ikonia: PM?
[10:16] <ikonia> Seeker`: apologies I've had a few days out of bath
[10:16] <ikonia> Seeker`: sure
[10:17] <ompaul> robg_, the idea that someone solves their issues with a reinstall or other brutal treatment of their machine when it is not necessary is not the kind of help we advise in #ubuntu
[10:17] <robg_> ompaul: I am indeed brutal.
[10:18] <robg_> ompaul: these machines can take it.
[10:18] <ompaul> but their users don't need to do that
[10:18] <ompaul> and we are about making life easy - not hard
[10:19] <Myrtti> you do realize that in most cases reinstall isn't needed and can cause more work than trying to fix the problem with other means?
[10:19] <Myrtti> right?
[10:19] <robg_> ompaul: I hear people struggling for 3 days with a problem that I solve in 2 hours.
[10:19] <ompaul> and comments like: <robg__> genii: I have the impression that a slow download actually produces better files.   <<<< are just "wrong"
[10:20] <ompaul> robg_, and if you both knew the right way you would be done in 5 - 10 minutes or less maybe one line of perl
[10:20] <robg_> ompaul: slow downloads do not attract attention on the web, high bandwidth downloads do.
[10:20] <ompaul> robg_, get off that track it is incorrect
[10:21] <ompaul> getting out of the way quickly is what the http: protocol was developed for
[10:21] <ompaul> fast and short bursts
[10:21] <robg_> ompaul: carriers throttle high bandwidth downloads
[10:21] <ompaul> that is a carrier choice and thus a users choice nothing to do with the rest of the internet
[10:22] <robg_> ompaul: anything that messes with a download could damage the file.
[10:22] <ompaul> robg_, stop that
[10:22] <Seeker`> robg_: you are wrong
[10:23] <robg_> ompaul: I have had only successes with slow downloads.
[10:23] <Myrtti> !worksforme
[10:24] <Seeker`> that is most unfortunate, but your theory is still wrong
[10:25] <robg_> Seeker: I use methods that work. Theories do not interest me much.
[10:25] <ompaul> robg_, look it seems you don't know what you are on about from our perspective
[10:25] <ompaul> robg_, and frankly we can't have people getting bad information
[10:26] <ompaul> robg_, and you sir are distributing same
[10:26] <ompaul> so what are we do to?
[10:26] <robg_> ompaul: my methods are formally correct and always work but I will gladly leave the provisioning of information to you.
[10:28] <ompaul> I have unmuted you in #ubuntu - I did so upon join - please observe the way problems are resolved, and don't give what we call bad information, be aware that if you do suggest a reinstall again to anyone in any case where it is not warranted then you may find yourself banned
[10:28] <robg_> ompaul: get stuffed.
[10:28] <Myrtti> oh my
[10:28] <ompaul> you got your answer in #ubuntu
[10:28] <ompaul> and now here
[10:29] <jpds> aol - whoo
[10:29] <ompaul> watch #ubuntu just in case
[10:29] <PriceChild> Aww I love today's xkcd.
[10:30] <ompaul> fading dreams?
[10:30] <PriceChild> yup
[10:30] <PriceChild> didn't get it till the alt text though, shame on me
[10:45] <Seeker`> ompaul: I asked him a few times yesterday not to swear
[10:53] <ompaul> Seeker`, he should not have to be asked more than once
[10:54] <ompaul> are we talking about rob or someone else?
[10:54] <bazhang> marcusklass
[10:54] <ompaul> find
[10:54] <ompaul> fine
[10:54] <Seeker`> ompaul: I can't really do anything about it
[10:55]  * ompaul goes to check something
[10:56] <ompaul> and you let them back in and then they get the idea that it is going to escalate don't worry about it
[10:56] <ompaul> woops
[11:00] <Seeker`> ompaul: they dont let me have ops in #ubuntu, so I can't do anything much about people doing naughty things
[11:01] <ompaul> Seeker`, get a job :)
[11:01] <ompaul> we are saving you from yourself :)
[11:01] <ikonia> best response to a student
[11:01] <ikonia> actually laughed out loud in the office
[11:01] <ompaul> ikonia, hehe
[11:01] <Seeker`> ompaul: I'm not sure if i still count as a student, did my last exam yesterday
[11:02] <ikonia> love it, perfectly reasonable discussing then the standard issue retort "get a job2
[11:02] <ompaul> Seeker`, wait three months
[11:02] <ikonia> while dinner = beans on toast; do student lifestyle; done
[11:02] <bazhang> chanserv gives Seeker` ops
[11:02] <Seeker`> actaully, i'm going to have loads of drinks from shakeaway while my library card is still valid
[11:02] <bazhang> ruh roh
[11:02] <ikonia> Seeker`: genius
[11:03] <ompaul> what chanserv giveth chanserv can taketh away
[11:03] <ompaul> ikonia, what is this shakeaway he speaks of
[11:03] <ikonia> milkshake bar in town
[11:03] <ikonia> not a booze bar
[11:03] <Seeker`> http://www.shakeaway.com/subsites/uk/homepage.htm
[11:03] <ikonia> it's where the cool kids hang out
[11:04]  * ikonia is not cool enough to drink there
[11:04] <Myrtti> omg
[11:04] <Myrtti> i just realized I'm living a student life
[11:04] <Myrtti> and I can't remember when I attended any classes
[11:04] <Seeker`> ikonia: why not?
[11:04] <ikonia> Myrtti: my script is flawed
[11:04] <ikonia> Seeker`: I don't wear skinny jeans
[11:04] <Seeker`> ikonia: I dont either
[11:04] <ikonia> maybe the dress code has changed  then ;)
[11:05]  * ompaul does not wear jeans has not since 1988
[11:05] <Seeker`> actually, I may get one on the way up to uni today
[11:05] <ikonia> Seeker`: on a saturday it's always over taken with the "cool" kids with their skinny jeans and caps that are puposfully put on jaunty
[11:05] <ompaul> now there is a fact
[11:05] <Seeker`> ikonia: :(
[11:05] <ompaul> Seeker`, does the truth hurt?
[11:05] <ompaul> ;-)
[11:05]  * ompaul rusn
[11:06]  * ompaul trips gets up and runs
[11:06] <Seeker`> :P
[11:07] <Myrtti> I do my laundry at the downstairs laundry room once a month, have a huge pile of dishes, there's hay all over the place, bed unmade, I sleep at odd hours and drool over university geek boys.
[11:07] <Myrtti> oh, and I eat mostly frozen pizzas and other semi-prepared food from Lidl.
[11:07] <ikonia> Seeker`: post a photo quick quick !
[11:07] <Myrtti> or bread.
[11:07] <Seeker`> ikonia: of what?
[11:07] <ompaul> a shakeaway
[11:07] <ikonia> Seeker`: "uni geek boys"
[11:07] <ompaul> hahaha
[11:07] <Seeker`> heh
[11:07] <Myrtti> uni geek boys, where where
[11:07] <ompaul> right so folks I am out of here
[11:08]  * ikonia prods Myrtti at seeker
[11:08] <Myrtti> /me looks around
[11:08] <ikonia> hot uni geek in the room
[11:08] <Myrtti> oh, there :-D
[11:08] <Myrtti> hiya Seeker` ;-)
[11:08] <Seeker`> hi Myrtti :)
[11:08] <ompaul> predator
[11:08] <ikonia> ha ha
[11:08] <ompaul> right so I am out of here
[11:08] <ompaul> ;-)
[11:08] <Myrtti> :-<
[11:08] <ikonia> laters
[11:09] <Myrtti> laters ompaul
[11:09] <ompaul> breakfast
[11:13] <Myrtti> I'll prolly have to ask my project manager if he knows any eligible uni Linux geek bachelors from here
[11:13] <Myrtti> since I can't date him.
[11:13] <Myrtti> :-)
[11:14] <ikonia> you'll have to beat them off with a pink stick
[11:14] <ikonia> (due to your love of pink)
[11:49] <stdin> quick announcement for those running a bot: the ubuntu.db URL has changed to http://jussi01.com/web/ubuntu.db please update your cron scripts :)
[13:29] <PriceChild> Cody seems to be under the impression that a resolution was made at uds that the irc council and freenode staff would not op in ubuntu channels. He has removed my access and *!*@freenode/staff/* from #xubuntu. As a GC I am requesting the +f flag in #xubuntu to return this./ Just fyi.
[13:31] <ompaul> PriceChild, ask him to talk here
[13:31] <PriceChild> Ah he is back online.
[13:32] <ompaul> it was not a resolution it was a suggestion that the whole thing would be rejigged
[13:32] <PriceChild> I talked with him a little ago, then he went offline saying he would look into it.
[13:32] <cody-somerville> Cheers.
[13:32] <ompaul> you still wearing a suit?
[13:32] <ompaul> ;-)
[13:32] <cody-somerville> Actually... yea :/
[13:33] <cody-somerville> <-- is a loser.
[13:33]  * ompaul sends ya a few tees
[13:33] <cody-somerville> :D
[13:33] <ompaul> they might be a bit on the large side :)
[13:34] <cody-somerville> hehe.
[13:37] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: from what i heard, that was a suggestion.
[13:37] <Hobbsee> but wasn't written down anywhere, nor decided upson.
[13:41] <ompaul> there were several strands to as I understood it
[13:41] <ompaul> as i understood it the idea was not to remove or strike freenode/staff from the access list but
[13:41] <ompaul> that freenode/staff and irc-ops would not be the same people
[13:41] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: OTOH, as the channel contact, he certainly has some rights
[13:41] <ompaul> where ops are ubuntu ops
[13:41] <ompaul> further to that
[13:42] <elky> Hobbsee, and the users have the right to expect that everything can be done to protect them. he's thrown out the biggest protection the users of the channel have by removing the staff access
[13:42] <ompaul> the council would not be all ops but should be inactive ops as far as I could tell with outsiders
[13:42] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: as a member of hte ubuntu irc council, i am part of the team that manages our presence on freenode. #xubuntu *should* have freenode/staff in, for reasons i have explained to cody.
[13:42] <Hobbsee> elky: i guess that then gets down to whether the staff actually respond.  but yes, i see your point
[13:42] <ompaul> SWAT, you about?
[13:43]  * Hobbsee wonders when her mobile will ring.
[13:43] <elky> Hobbsee, the staff cannot respond without the access there, by their own policies.
[13:43] <ompaul> Hobbsee, staff won't respond unless chan ops are not present
[13:43] <ompaul> and then they tend not to be as responsive as chan ops
[13:44] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: I'm not even sure when UbuntuIrcCouncil transferred ownership of the channel to cody.
[13:44] <ompaul> they view their role as very much stand back and act only if the channel is out of control for want of a phrase which I am not willing to define further
[13:44] <ompaul> next up
[13:44] <Hobbsee> elky: oh, i know that.
[13:44] <Hobbsee> elky: no question there
[13:45] <Pici> Why not have cody-somerville (ping) weigh in on this instead of talking about what we think he thinks.
[13:45] <PriceChild> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat says it is still UbuntuIrcCouncil's for exapmle.
[13:45] <PriceChild> I don't really care about that if the channel is being maintained properly by whoever has the proper access.
[13:47] <cody-somerville> So the main complaint is the lack of access in the channel to Freenode staff?
[13:47] <elky> that's the most critical. it's a redundancy feature/service
[13:50] <cody-somerville> I'm not intrinsically opposed to having them on the access list.
[13:50] <ompaul> cody-somerville, there is no "main complain"
[13:50] <ompaul> t
[13:50] <ompaul> woops :)
[13:50] <elky> then why did you remove them?
[13:50] <cody-somerville> ompaul, s/complaint/concern ?
[13:50] <ompaul> cody-somerville,  they are needed the point was the dual role of staff/irc-op
[13:51] <PriceChild> I would also appreciate being added to the list with at least +votiA, preferably +f
[13:51] <ompaul> and then council / staff
[13:51] <ompaul> PriceChild, that reads funny voti for A n f
[13:51] <PriceChild> Freenode staffers opping in our channels is not a problem, and I hope nobody is questioning that. What is a problem in some people's opinions is people wearing both hats when making decisions.
[13:51] <ompaul> the elections are won -- but I digress
[13:52] <cody-somerville> elky, I was under the impression that a decision had been made at UDS to effect that individuals could only wear one hat.
[13:52] <ompaul> PriceChild, that is exactly the "concern" to rob cody-somerville's phrase
[13:52] <ompaul> cody-somerville, not could - the suggestion and it was a suggestion was "should"
[13:52] <ompaul> but that has not played out in any way
[13:53] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: as a freenode staffer, I am already under that decision on their side. (Just so you know)
[13:53] <elky> cody-somerville, you're against people who help more than one project?
[13:53] <Pici> I'm not sure what removing access for Freenode staff has to do with people being on the irc council and being freenode staff...
[13:53] <cody-somerville> elky, What would give you that idea?
[13:53] <ompaul> elky, I think that is unfair, the guy has not got the picture in full that is all
[13:53] <elky> cody-somerville, the whole dual-role thing
[13:54] <PriceChild> Pici: suggestion is for more than the irc council
[13:54] <elky> how is it unfair. that's how it's sounding to me at the moment, as someone who is only now hearing *anything* about this.
[13:54] <cody-somerville> elky, I was not at the meeting at UDS Intrepid because I was tied up elsewhere but if I understand correctly the rationale was not to prevent people from contributing to multiple projects but to improve transparency.
[13:55] <PriceChild> We really need to hold an irc council meeting, so much to discuss.
[13:55] <Hobbsee> cody-somerville: it was all talk.  it's not action until it's publically documented.
[13:55] <Hobbsee> cody-somerville: where did you see this documented?
[13:55] <ompaul> elky, he made an mistake that is all
[13:55] <elky> cody-somerville, you were not the only one tied up elsewhere.
[13:55] <Hobbsee> elky: mneptok represented well, so you don't need to worry :)
[13:55] <cody-somerville> elky, You weren't able to attend either?
[13:55] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: none of the irc council was there in person.
[13:56] <cody-somerville> Mkay.
[13:56] <elky> cody-somerville, no, i was running a stand at the local version of CeBIT.
[13:56] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: afaik only i was able to join via irc, which was extremely limited.
[13:56] <ompaul> PriceChild, +1
[13:56] <ompaul> I wonder if the streams were saved
[13:56] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: so what shall we do.
[13:56] <ompaul> cos logs of the session and the streams could be played back and then a feeling gotten for what was needed
[13:57] <cody-somerville> Well, I'll speak with the individuals who had passed the summary on to me and I'll see about resolving the confusion.
[13:57] <ompaul> cody-somerville, I strongly suggest you talk with mneptok
[13:57] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: so you are not adding these flags back now?
[13:57] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, I would have no problem adding the flags back right now.
[13:58] <cody-somerville> I certainly don't think any one is going to do anything they're not suppose to.  I was simply updating the access list to adhere to what I believed was new policy.
[13:59] <Myrtti> cody-somerville: if #xubuntu needs more ops to your opinion (regardless of what the situation is with other things), I'm available
[13:59] <Hobbsee> cody-somerville: in normal terms, it's never policy until it's actually documented somewhere.
[13:59] <Hobbsee> cody-somerville: transparency, and all
[13:59]  * elky nods to hobbsee
[13:59] <Myrtti> cody-somerville: just fyi, I'm not pushing
[13:59] <cody-somerville> Hobbsee, I assumed that was being taken care of/already done.
[13:59] <Hobbsee> cody-somerville: bad assumption, methinks.
[13:59] <cody-somerville> I had no reason to believe what I was told was incorrect.
[13:59] <Hobbsee> cody-somerville: you're not on the irc ML or something?
[13:59] <PriceChild> Who told you this?
[14:00] <elky> i'm rather a fan of the penchant 'seeing is believing'
[14:00] <cody-somerville> Hobbsee, No, Seveas removed me over a year ago.
[14:00] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: feel free to resubscibe, it isn't a private list.
[14:00] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, Thanks.
[14:04] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, What do I have to type to add freenode staff, yourself, and Myrtti to the access list with op access?
[14:04] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: the nick ubuntuirccouncil would also be appreciated
[14:04] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: /msg chanserv help flags
[14:05] <cody-somerville> I'd prefer to have more time to think/research about adding ubuntuirccouncil for now.
[14:05] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: I'm not happy.
[14:05] <PriceChild> 1212152328 13:58:48 < cody-somerville> I certainly don't think any one is going to do anything they're not suppose to.  I was simply updating the access  list to adhere to what I believed was new policy.
[14:05] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: but neither is this the spanish inquisition.
[14:06] <elky> Hobbsee, we must play this out here however, for transparency sake.
[14:06] <PriceChild> If you don't believe freenode/staff is prohibited from being on the flags, if you don't think I am, then there is no difference in the council being there, except for if you don't trust them?
[14:06] <Hobbsee> elky: sure, but i don't see why it has to be done right this second, either.
[14:07] <Hobbsee> assuming that there are people around to cover the interim time.
[14:07] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, I think it has to do more with a lack of understanding of what adding that nick to the access list entails.
[14:07] <cody-somerville> and it is true that I may have certain misgivings
[14:07] <PriceChild> That nick used to be on #xubuntu with the access for flags modification.
[14:07] <PriceChild> It used to be contact even.
[14:08] <PriceChild> Adding it on now with +o at least, can serve anyone on the irc council as a last resort to op up if needed.
[14:09] <cody-somerville> I'm going to have ask that you simply accept that I need more time to understand and come to a decision.
[14:09] <Pici> cody-somerville: Can we help you understand? What part of access are you not clear on?
[14:10] <Myrtti> meh.
[14:10]  * Hobbsee wonders if people holding up sticks and demanding that things get done immediately, or the irc equivalent, is really an effective form of management.  If you're determined to get it done, then do it yourself?
[14:10] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: I would rather not do that tbh as it would cause lots more fuss.
[14:11] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, Agreed.
[14:11] <Myrtti> Myrtti says: close your eyes everyone and count slowly to 15
[14:11] <Hobbsee> i'm sure it would, but i'm not sure the "do it right now!  NOW!" approach is so hot either...
[14:15] <Myrtti> it's only irc, folks.
[14:15] <Hobbsee> yes, it is.
[14:16] <ompaul> don't forget also that stuff gets lost in typelation
[14:16]  * PriceChild highfives ompaul 
[14:16] <ompaul> where translating the thoughts into typing can break ideas
[14:17]  * ompaul returns the salute to PriceChild 
[14:17]  * ompaul hugs the channel - be afraid ;-)
[14:17] <ompaul> \o/ \o/ \o/
[14:17] <Myrtti> /me huggles ompaul back
[14:18] <elky> ompaul knows this because he's turned typelation failure into a new skill
[14:18] <Myrtti> /me puts silently a note saying "I'm an old geezer, ask me about stone age" to ompauls back
[14:18] <ompaul> elky, that was so nice, you know I will frame that
[14:18] <ompaul> Myrtti, ohh thanks :)
[14:18] <Myrtti> /me silently returns to work
[14:19] <elky> :)
[14:19]  * ompaul knows the handwriting and the use of the words old geezer are unique to her at this time 
[14:19] <ompaul> :)
[14:19]  * ompaul rofl
[14:19] <ompaul> poor floor
[14:20] <Myrtti> /me curses silently under her breath
[14:20] <ompaul> hahahaah
[14:20] <cody-somerville> Okay
[14:20] <ompaul> Myrtti, I got a book for you to read: http://www.alibris.com/search/books/isbn/0132396556
[14:20] <cody-somerville> I think I've added people with the right flags
[14:20] <ompaul> cody-somerville, you might want to see if you can convince someone to get that for you ^^
[14:20] <cody-somerville> ompaul, score :)
[14:21]  * cody-somerville adds to wishlist.
[14:21] <Myrtti> mmmmmm
[14:21] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: UbuntuIrcCouncil would also be appreciated.
[14:22] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, I acknowledge that I promise you that I will look into adding it. However, I don't want to add it and then feel like I want to remove it after I've had some time to think about it.
[14:22] <cody-somerville> *and I
[14:23] <ompaul> cody-somerville, better to be wrong and try something than do nothing at all
[14:23] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: I would appreciate discussion on it with you then.
[14:23] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, How about we arrange an informal meeting sometime late next week and we'll come to a decision then?
[14:23] <ompaul> cody-somerville, at any one time there are three things you can do, that is do something, choose to defer, and do nothing
[14:24] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: is there a reason why this time is not suitable?
[14:24] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, Besides being at work and me currently missing a MOTU meeting? :P
[14:24] <cody-somerville> Yes. I need time to think about the situation and form an opinion.
[14:25] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: the meeting just finished.
[14:25] <PriceChild> I also don't believe there is a 'situation'
[14:25] <cody-somerville> You're welcome to replace 'situation' with a more appropriate word.
[14:26] <PriceChild> Still, seems like you would rather avoid the problem.
[14:26] <Hobbsee> cody-somerville: you'd probably do better to hand the access completely to them.  looks like you have no choice in the matter, when they're telling you what to do.
[14:26] <cody-somerville> No. It just seems like you want to push the issue after I've already politely asked you to accept the decision I've made.
[14:26] <cody-somerville> Hobbsee, : (
[14:26] <PriceChild> Lets leave it at that then for a while.
[14:27] <cody-somerville> That sounds reasonable to me.
[14:27] <PriceChild> cody-somerville: next time you're free please send me a PM.
[14:27] <cody-somerville> PriceChild, Certainly. You're welcome to also send me an e-mail explaining why your POV to expedite the process.
[14:28] <PriceChild> why my POV to expedite the process?
[14:28] <elky> yeah, that failed to parse in my brain too
[14:28] <ompaul> add the word is
[14:29] <ompaul> cody-somerville, PriceChild may I make a suggestion that you both communicate in pm for a while say in two or three days
[14:29] <ompaul> and leave everything else out of here for the moment - cos it is just going around in a circle
[14:30] <ompaul> and wasting cycles
[14:30] <PriceChild> By the way, #xubuntu is owned by UbuntuIrcCouncil on the testnet, which is only a matter of weeks old. Still confused over that matter.
[14:31] <ompaul> what do you say to that PriceChild cody-somerville ?
[14:31] <PriceChild> ompaul: where is the word 'is' meant to go?
[14:31] <ompaul>  why your POV is to expedite the process.
[14:31] <ompaul> there not being a process as far as I know but that is my take
[14:31] <ompaul> now can we just drop it for today please
[14:32] <PriceChild> I'm still confused what that meant. Yes I am happy to drop it until cody is free and sends me that PM.
[14:32] <ompaul> cos the heat is on and to use a phrase "one word is borrowing another"
[14:32] <elky> im with PriceChild that i'd like to know who removed us from contact though.
[14:33] <bazhang> mediation seems to have paid off with Trae
[14:33] <PriceChild> ompaul has explained in Pm what was meant.
[14:33] <ompaul> bazhang, now that I got to see
[14:34]  * ompaul takes off his cynical hat
[14:34] <Hobbsee> bazhang: speaking of which, has the bible guy come back yet?
[14:34] <PriceChild> Trae?
[14:34]  * Mez hands ompaul a beer hat
[14:34] <Hobbsee> i've not been watching
[14:34]  * ompaul robs Mez's beer mat
[14:35] <bazhang> Hobbsee, yes, but as a well-behaved randall from philly :)
[14:35] <Mez> ?
[14:35] <Hobbsee> bazhang: good!
[14:35] <Hobbsee> bazhang: i'm glad to see that catalysing still works ;)
[14:35] <Mez> ompaul, I gave you a hat..
[14:35] <Jack_Sparrow> bazhang I dont think trea will be a prob.
[14:35] <bazhang> more uber-mediation :)
[14:35] <ompaul> Mez, Mez hands ompaul a beer hat ::rhymn:module:: ompaul robs Mez's beer mat
[14:35] <Pici> Mez: Was it a fedora?
[14:35] <Mez> you know - one of those with beer cans on the side and long straws?
[14:35] <Mez> Pici, no ...
[14:35] <ompaul> Mez, hahahaha
[14:35] <Pici> Mez: red?
[14:35] <bazhang> never rob beer to umm nvm
[14:36] <ompaul> Pici, now I am seeing red
[14:36]  * ompaul grins
[14:36] <Mez> Pici, yeah - red
[14:36] <ompaul> okay I got to do something here
[14:36] <ompaul> back in a few
[14:43] <jpds> !bot > moshe
[14:44] <Pici> !what is <reply> I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent.
[14:45] <jpds> !what is the answer for UBUNTU
[14:45] <Mez> Pici, I can remember that being annoying
[14:45] <Pici> ubottu: what is poop
[14:45] <Mez> and it doesnt apply
[14:45] <Mez> !forget what
[14:46] <Mez> It wont work like that unfortunately :(
[14:48] <Myrtti> I haz idea
[14:49] <Myrtti> @login
[14:49] <Pici> Do they speak english in what?
[14:49] <Myrtti> oh
[14:49] <Myrtti> Pici:
[14:50] <Pici> Myrtti:
[14:50] <Myrtti> !pim
[14:50] <Myrtti> !evolution
[14:50] <Pici> !evolution
[14:50] <Myrtti> :-P
[14:52] <Mez> !search pim
[14:52] <Pici> I'm not sure why we need pim though
[14:53] <ompaul> !what is
[14:53] <ompaul> it sees is as
[14:53] <ompaul> ......
[14:53] <ompaul> a command
[14:53] <Pici> ubottu: what is the meaning of life
[14:53] <Pici> !what
[14:53] <Pici> !unforget what
[14:53] <Pici> ubottu: say what one more time
[14:54]  * Pici recently saw Pulp Fiction for the first time, apologizes
[14:54] <ompaul> Pici, hahahahaha
[14:55] <ompaul> Pici, and what do they call a burger round your way?
[14:55] <Myrtti> !what
[14:55] <Pici> ompaul: what
[14:55] <ompaul> le what?
[14:56] <ompaul> la what?
[14:56]  * ompaul grins
[14:56] <Pici> a royale with cheese?
[14:56] <ompaul> hahaha
[15:00] <ompaul> Pici, what you do that for?
[15:00] <ompaul> :)
[15:28] <ikonia> did anyone else get spam on web hosting from silver
[15:28] <Myrtti> what was the kde replacement for "gksudo gedit" again?
[15:28] <Pici> pm? nope.
[15:28] <Pici> Myrtti: kdesu kate ?
[15:28] <Myrtti> kdesu kate?
[15:29] <bazhang> kdesudo kate?
[15:29] <Myrtti> thanks
[15:30] <ikonia> ok - I'm getting version requests and hit for hosting advice from silver in pm
[15:30] <ikonia> no-one else ?
[15:31] <jpds> not me
[15:31] <bazhang> not yet
[15:31] <bazhang> got one from mint user moshe though
[15:31] <Jack_Sparrow> not me
[15:32] <ikonia> 14:50 <Silver_> where i can host a site
[15:32] <ikonia> 14:50 -!- Silver_ [n=silver@77-85-73-231.btc-net.bg]
[15:32] <ikonia> 14:50 -!-  ircname  : Stanimir Mihov
[15:32] <ikonia> 14:50 -!-  channels : #ubuntu
[15:32] <ikonia> 14:50 -!-  server   : irc.freenode.net [http://freenode.net/]
[15:32] <ikonia> 14:50 -!- End of WHOIS
[15:32] <ikonia> 14:50 -!- Silver_ [n=silver@77-85-73-231.btc-net.bg] has quit [Client Quit]
[15:32] <ikonia> 14:50 Silver_ [n=silver@77-85-73-231.btc-net.bg] requested CTCP VERSION from  ikonia:
[15:32] <ikonia> 14:52 <Silver_> ty in advice
[15:32] <ikonia> 14:52 <ikonia> why are you asking me ?
[15:32] <ikonia> 14:52 <ikonia> why are you running version against me
[15:32] <ikonia> 14:52 <Silver_> to see what irc client you use
[15:32] <ikonia> it goes on
[15:33] <Pici> ikonia: All the weirdos seem to like messaging you
[15:33] <ikonia> is that a compliment ?
[15:33] <Pici> Just an observation ;)
[15:33] <bazhang> first line of defense!
[15:33] <ikonia> I'm hopeful its because they see someone active
[15:34] <ikonia> or I could just give off a weirdo friendly vibe
[15:34] <bazhang> or ik<tab> is easier than baz<tab>
[15:35] <Amaranth> I get them a lot too
[15:36] <jpds> ikonia: must be cos they see you helping out a lot
[15:36] <ikonia> jpds: or just an active guy
[15:36] <ikonia> as in - oh he's responding
[15:38] <ikonia> no big deal, he's left, he can ask me, just as long as he's not hitting random people in #ubuntu, which it looks like he's not
[15:39] <jpds> ikonia: so... which host did you suggest?
[15:41] <Jack_Sparrow> Maybe someone wrote a note about ikonia on the bathroom wall ?
[15:41] <ikonia> he quit when I was trying to either find out his requirments or directing him to some webhosting
[15:41] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: there are /many/ f them
[15:41] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[15:42] <ikonia> jpds: I think he actually wanted to know how to host it on his own box, but it was hard work getting to that
[15:43] <jpds> ikonia: ah, right
[16:19] <ompaul> PriceChild, ehh have a look at the ownership of #ubuntu-doc
[16:29] <ompaul> muted <boki_boy>
[16:32] <ompaul> failed to speak correctly in pm and then when unmuted continued so banned
[16:39] <PriceChild> ompaul: what about it?
[16:40] <Pici> Just giving us a status update
[16:40] <ompaul> it has jdub there afik he has not been involved for a long time now
[16:40] <Pici> oh, that.
[16:40] <ompaul> yeap
[16:40]  * Pici neverminds
[16:41]  * ompaul smacks ACM web site with a very big cluestick
[16:42]  * Mez makes obscure memory optimizations 
[16:42]  * ompaul looks for a bigger cluestick
[16:43] <Pici> PriceChild: there are also some interesting things being returned by alis for #ubuntu channels... like #ubuntu-love (which seems to have locobot in it)
[16:43] <ompaul> PriceChild, pm
[17:14] <PriceChild> I'm gonna have some tea, then will make a proposal.
[18:04] <nalioth> folks, keeping in mind the new services, if you haven't reconnected for days, you are now unidentified (but have kept your cloak)
[18:05] <nalioth> IOW, if you were online during the services upgrade and haven't disconnected
[18:06] <SportChick> nalioth++
[18:09] <Pici> nalioth: or if you didn't re-id
[18:11] <Pici> s/didn't/haven't/
[18:12] <jussi01> Good evening all
[18:12] <Pici> good afternoon
[18:14] <nalioth> Pici: well, that was kinda what i was pointing to  :P
[18:19] <SWAT> ompaul: screen + irssi = bliss (I tend to sleep, sometimes)
[18:21] <jussi01> Quassel FTW
[18:34] <jussi01> hrm... ubuntu.com seems down... :/
[18:34] <Jack_Sparrow> yep
[18:36] <PriceChild> wfm
[18:36] <PriceChild> oh wait... giving me the download the 8.04 release candidate page
[18:37] <Pici> ooh, me too
[18:37] <PriceChild> Heads up on the ML.
[18:41]  * jussi01 sighs
[18:41] <Myrtti> WHOA
[18:43] <PriceChild> jussi01: what's up?
[18:43] <Myrtti> mmmm, I'm seeing a weird first page
[18:46] <jussi01> Myrtti: I got this: http://imagebin.ca/view/8ivd8k.html
[18:47] <jussi01> PriceChild: just a stupid topic - I told someone to read the topic of #kubuntu-kde4,  when he asked how to install kde 4 from 3, and he never got past: This channel is for KDE4 support on Kubuntu only (Not SVN). If you are running KDE3, please go to #kubuntu
[18:47] <Myrtti> I saw a "Hardy RC released, 8.04 coming soon" picture...
[18:48] <jussi01> So yeah, got to figure out how to express that a little better...
[18:48] <PriceChild> fun fun fun
[18:48] <jussi01> maybe: For KDE 3 support go to #kubuntu
[18:49] <Myrtti> idiocy of individual humans and the humanity as whole never stops to amaze me
[18:50] <Myrtti> I sort of expect more
[18:50] <jussi01> yeah
[18:51] <jussi01> headdesk! same user:
[18:51] <jussi01> [20:51:02] <[A]Li> why linux do not allow to use .exe files?
[18:51] <jussi01> [20:51:12] <[A]Li> as the most users need .exe files most times
[18:51] <Myrtti> lol
[18:52] <Myrtti> that's about the funniest I've seen for a loooong time
[18:53] <SWAT> that almost made me cry
[18:54] <jussi01> #kubuntu-kde4 for more... :/
[18:55] <jussi01> [20:55:12] <[A]Li> actually i am working for linux
[18:55] <jussi01> Ok, im really not looking anymore...
[18:55] <SWAT> jussi01, any logs online? This is comedy material
[18:56] <jussi01> SWAT: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15839/
[18:58] <Myrtti> oh lawd
[19:00] <SWAT> jussi01: ow dear... let's hope it doesn't rub off onto others
[19:01]  * jussi01 gulps down another cup of patience
[19:02]  * SWAT slowly refills jussi01's cup
[19:02] <jussi01> :)
[19:03] <Myrtti> *snif* I ran out of chocolate
[19:05] <jussi01> !opsnack | Myrtti
[19:11]  * jussi01 thinks we need to change the !help/bot factoid
[19:11] <Pici> !help
[19:11] <Pici> yes
[19:12] <PriceChild> what's up with it?
[19:12] <jussi01> PriceChild: !help should point to somewhere to get help
[19:13] <Pici> !halp
[19:13] <Pici> :)
[19:13] <jussi01> :D
[19:13] <PriceChild> aha yes
[19:13] <jussi01> and we definately needa !hai factoid... :P
[19:14] <Pici> I can haz hello?
[19:14] <Myrtti> hm, I hope I'm not the only one who noticed stdin's announcment earlier
[19:14] <Myrtti> about the database url
[19:14] <jussi01> [13:49:48] <stdin> quick announcement for those running a bot: the ubuntu.db URL has changed to http://jussi01.com/web/ubuntu.db please update your cron scripts :)
[19:15] <Pici> I saw it, but I dont run a bot.
[19:15]  * jussi01 pokes nalioth: 
[19:15] <Myrtti> I've got it on my crontab
[19:16] <nalioth> jussi01: poked
[19:16] <Myrtti> and I'm not running a bot (yet)
[19:16] <jussi01> nalioth: :)
[19:18] <jussi01> CyberKing: hello, can we help you?
[19:21] <nalioth> CyberKing: as i mentioned, joining #ubuntu for a day would give you a very good idea
[19:22] <jussi01> CyberKing: you can also go play in #ubuntu-bots
[19:23] <jussi01> !goodbotuse | CyberKing
[19:24] <jussi01> Myrtti: next time calcmandan gives scrot or something else like that, give him !scope
[19:24] <Myrtti> !scope
[19:24] <Myrtti> ok
[19:24] <jussi01> CyberKing: cool - anything else we can help with?
[19:24] <jussi01> !idle | CyberKing
[19:29] <Pici> byas
[19:29] <jussi01> night
[20:32] <ompaul> lets see if that changes attitude any
[20:45]  * jpds eyes IFeelDead in #u
[20:49]  * ompaul has already eyed them
[21:00] <Jack_Sparrow> jpds You sure called that one
[21:01] <jpds> Jack_Sparrow: hmm?
[21:01] <Jack_Sparrow> read back
[21:01] <Jack_Sparrow> IFeelDead is now known as ovojebot
[21:01] <jpds> and back again
[21:02] <Jack_Sparrow> yep..  I figured you'd ban him after the f-bomb
[21:04] <jpds> I was only watching when he said he needed drugs
[21:05] <Myrtti> English language is funny
[21:05] <Myrtti> I need drugs too, every day.
[21:05] <Myrtti> medication, that is.
[22:40] <PriceChild> Anyone heard from emma lately?
[22:41] <Myrtti> nope
[22:41] <Myrtti> I was sorta wondering what happened to her
[22:41] <Myrtti> as I was shuffling thru my private convo logs today
[22:42] <PriceChild> If there haven't been any issues I'm taking that as a good thing Myrtti ;)
[22:42] <Myrtti> I mean, I haven't seen her even in #ubuntu
[22:43] <Myrtti> I sorta hope she's ok
[22:43] <Myrtti> well, not sorta
[22:43] <Myrtti> I do hope she's ok
[22:44] <PriceChild> Myrtti: she's fine.
[22:51] <PriceChild> Hmmm our wiki pages need some updates.
[23:01] <Myrtti> hello lidi20, jimmygoon
[23:01] <jimmygoon> I believe the factoid for ccsm for ubotu should be:
[23:01] <jimmygoon> To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[23:01] <Myrtti> !ccsm
[23:01] <jimmygoon> That is what it used to be an is a better option in my opinion. At the least they should include both I think
[23:02] <Myrtti> @login
[23:03] <Myrtti> !ccsm =~ s/'simple-ccsm'/'simple-ccsm' or 'compizconfig-settings-manager'/
[23:03] <Myrtti> !ccsm
[23:03] <Myrtti> there
[23:03] <jimmygoon> thanks Myrtti
[23:03] <Myrtti> np
[23:05] <PriceChild> in addition to my ML post, seems there are now 7 people with ubuntu cloaks who haven't renewed their membership, less worried about that though and it can be done later
[23:09] <Myrtti> PriceChild: in short, with my pea sized brain of the moment, how carefully should I read that ML post?
[23:09] <PriceChild> Myrtti: I would appreciate you reading it 'moderately' carefully :)
[23:10] <PriceChild> How's that?
[23:10] <Myrtti> ok
[23:10] <Myrtti> so I'll just glance it over
[23:10] <Myrtti> I got halfway thru and my brain segfaulted
[23:26] <PriceChild> poor Myrtti
[23:29] <Seeker`> :(
[23:32] <Myrtti> hello Odd-rationale
[23:32] <Odd-rationale> hello! things are looking tense in #kubuntu atm. would appreciate your moderation. thanks!
[23:32] <Myrtti> anyone with the proper flags?
[23:32] <Seeker`> Myrtti: sorry, I dont
[23:33] <PriceChild> I'll take a look.
[23:33] <Myrtti> /me pokes Pricey with a pink stick.
[23:33] <Odd-rationale> thanks!
[23:34]  * Seeker` wishes he could do more to help :(
[23:34] <PriceChild> Myrtti: what'd I do? :)
[23:34] <Myrtti> you was kyuuut
[23:35] <PriceChild> I'm not sure what is needed in #kubuntu btw, all seems fine.
[23:35] <PriceChild> Myrtti: kyuuut?
[23:35] <Myrtti> cute.
[23:35] <Myrtti> ichc
[23:36] <PriceChild> why do i like mgmt
[23:36] <Seeker`> ?
[23:36] <PriceChild> its a band
[23:36] <PriceChild> not exactly what I usually go for
[23:36] <Myrtti> /me googles for piccies of cute Ubuntu geeks
[23:37] <PriceChild> Myrtti: stalker
[23:37] <Seeker`> Myrtti: PriceChild is a student :P
[23:39] <Myrtti> PriceChild: a girl has to have something to do while her supermultitool script runs and produces four different websites, 50 pdf's and 4 gzipped tarballs of aforementioned junk.
[23:39] <mneptok> Myrtti: i thought you wre already infatuated with ompaul :P
[23:40] <Myrtti> mneptok: mrs. O'Malley might have a say about that
[23:42] <Myrtti> and it's cold, lonely, dark and silent.
[23:42] <Myrtti> and it's friday
[23:42] <Myrtti> or was.
[23:47] <Myrtti> besides, all the good ones are already taken.
[23:51] <Myrtti> though I think the picture of long haired Jono looks funny :-P
[23:54] <Myrtti> /me hides
[23:55] <Jack_Sparrow> How long do we put up with Taza
[23:57] <Myrtti> ok, way too late for me to be awake.
[23:58] <Myrtti> I forgot to eat today
[23:58] <Myrtti> time for bed.