=== santiago-ve is now known as Guest94467 === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve [02:48] wheee $.1 [02:48] 4.1 [02:52] you had my hopes. up I even apt-get updated and it said I had upgradable packages. :( [02:52] But still the only 4.1 packages available are kdelibs and kdebase [02:53] ok maybe I'm delusional [02:53] lol [02:53] Instead I get stupid upgradable openoffice packages :( [02:56] I have Oo.o 3 [02:56] 2.4.1~rc1 [02:57] Well actually, 2.4.0 [02:57] I'm upgrading to 2.4.1 rc1 [03:16] with the recent update [03:17] The following packages are BROKEN: [03:17] openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb openoffice.org-l10n-en-za [03:17] I just uninstalled those, thank goodness [03:17] JontheEchidna: it wants to install thunderbird for some bizzare reason [03:17] o.O [03:17] I didn't need them anyway since I don't need a South African English dictionary [03:17] or a british english one [03:18] I need an Australian one [03:18] UK one is close [03:18] Those are some pretty big packages too [03:19] why the hell does it want to install thunderbird? [03:19] No clue, maybe one of the language packs is depending on thunderbird incorrectly [03:19] Remove the following packages: [03:19] language-pack-en, language-pack-en-base, language-support-en, language-support-translations-en, openoffice.org-help-en-gg, [03:19] Install the following packages: [03:19] ,thunderbird [2.0.0.14+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 (hardy-updates, hardy-security)] [03:19] JontheEchidna: do I need those language packs? [03:20] Yes [03:20] JontheEchidna: that's the suggested solution... [03:20] hrm [03:20] I've run into a bug where opening file dialog in any GTK app cause it to segfault [03:20] and some webpages in firefox do the same thing [03:21] Maybe it's gtk-qt-engine + half upgraded KDE... [03:23] Yeah, it's gtk-qt-engine [04:04] So what did I miss while 4.1 crashed? :) [04:29] :-D [04:29] There is a Gnome Theme for KDE4? [04:48] hey guys... a quick question before going to sleep... when merging packages... which one should i use?... DaD or MoM? === hunger_t is now known as hunger [10:04] mhb: I've just merged jockey trunk with jockey-kde and merged my branch in as discussed the other day [10:05] mhb: could you take a look when you get a minute to check all is ok [10:05] mhb: also I have some ideas to discuss regarding the aboutdata whenever you have a minute === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [10:26] Arby: hi [10:27] seele: I'll be here for around 5 hours, if you wanted something from me [10:28] Arby: still around? [10:29] * mhb wishes he had his laptop [10:44] mhb: back [10:45] mhb: there is a file called /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/jockey-0.3.3.egg-info [10:45] that contain much of the metadata required for aboutdata [10:46] mhb: is that a reasonable thing to rely on to extract the information.? [10:47] to save having to hard code it, which is bad [10:47] mhb: also, I've converted the icon loading to KIcon(name) as discussed [10:47] not uploaded yet though [10:57] hmm [10:57] Arby: I'm not familiar with an .egg file... [10:58] neither am I but it seems to contain the right info, and it exists in the installed version of jockey in my system [10:59] so it seems safe to expect it to be there to me [10:59] but I wanted another opinion [10:59] hmm [10:59] the problem is, can we always access it? [10:59] I think so [10:59] suppose jockey-kde was on a Fedora system and the path changed, are you still able to access it? [11:00] ok I see your point [11:00] back to the drawing board then [11:00] hmm [11:01] GNOME also does have those About windows, right< [11:01] ? [11:01] don't know, I assume so [11:01] hmm, jockey does not, it seems [11:03] is there a geneeric way to do this? [11:03] it doesn't seem like a new problem [11:06] hmm, system-config-printer just has it coded directly as I did before [11:09] hmm , can't you just somehow omit the data? [11:09] to me it seems silly that every application has to have those [11:11] the root of the problem is that KCmdLineArgs seems to need it [11:11] I could pass it to KCmdLineArgs directly but that just displaces the problem [11:15] sorry that's ambiguous, I could pass the content of aboutData to KCmdLineArgs directly as individual variables [11:15] but as I said that just moves the problem [11:16] (back in ~15 min) [11:16] right [11:16] see you then [11:19] Whee. === jords__ is now known as jords [13:44] mhb: ah, i wanted you to be part of the kgrubeditor confersation i was hvaing with artemis yesterday, but i think we got everything resolved [13:44] mhb: automagic is going to be a problem [14:29] Does anyone kwow what happened to pyuic4 in the python-qt4 packages? [14:29] it was moved to the -dev IIRC [14:30] it doesn't appear to be in there. [14:30] 4.3.3-2ubntu-2 [14:31] ok, i'll do some dpkg searching. [14:31] pyqt4-dev-tools [14:32] is the package [14:33] strange updates today [14:34] adept wants to remove some language packages and install thunderbird. together with a lot of openoffice stuff. [14:35] apt-get update/upgrade just wants to hold the OOo updates back, but wants nothing to remove or install!? [14:35] so apt-get seems ok, but adept not [14:35] whats up? [14:36] oh wait, thats because adept doea a dist-upgrade [14:37] The following packages will be REMOVED: [14:37] language-support-nl language-support-translations-nl openoffice.org-help-nl openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb [14:37] openoffice.org-l10n-en-za openoffice.org-l10n-nl [14:37] nosrednaekim: thanks, that was it. I can never remember that package name. *-devel should be enough. [14:37] The following NEW packages will be installed: [14:37] gimp-help-en thunderbird thunderbird-locale-en-gb [14:38] The following packages will be upgraded: [14:38] dpkg dpkg-dev dselect initramfs-tools libntfs-3g23 libparted1.7-1 libpolkit-gnome0 ntfs-3g openoffice.org .........etc....... [15:04] seele: it always has been [16:46] nixternal: where is beta1? [16:46] Awol [16:47] :D [16:47] Riddell: funny, i found Qt4.4 in launchpad but not in package.ubuntu.com [16:48] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libqtgui4&searchon=names&suite=intrepid§ion=all [16:48] PUC is not up to date [16:49] so known bug :) [16:54] are we there yet? xD [16:59] where? [16:59] bugland? [17:00] * apachelogger shouts kde-nightly-qt and wonders why everyone @ linuxtag looks at him [17:05] um... not bugland :D [17:05] kde4.1beta :D [17:14] apachelogger: working on them...a lot of work getting them ready [17:14] there are just so many dependency changes between 4.0 and 4.1...it is crazy [17:15] making sure none of the files are missing, and making sure it installs, and making sure it runs, and making sure it crashes only your system :P [17:16] its ok nixternal... take your time :) [17:23] ya, I am not just gonna toss packages out there if they don't work...testing them all first, even if it is a beta [17:44] nixternal: we appreciate your work :D === Hobbsee is now known as Guest78382 === txwikinger is now known as txwikinger2 === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [18:13] * nixternal finally has kdebase-workspace building correctly [18:14] nixternal: w00t! [18:15] I had lintian errors out the whazoo [18:19] yey :D === uga is now known as uga|away [19:07] can you put unstable packages into a ppa or do they have to be ubuntuized? [19:09] nixternal: so what's the point of the ppa then? :D [19:10] you can just upload stuff to a branch then... [19:11] ppa packages don't need to be approved if that's what you mean [19:11] hrmm, Riddell will pciutils-dev work for kdebase instead of libpci-dev? [19:12] I am not to sure I want to place the new pciutils package into the Hardy PPA === uga|away is now known as uga [19:13] DreadKnight: I know they don't need to be approved, but you can't upload a package to a PPA if the changelog has the release set to unstable [19:13] actually, I know pciutils-dev will work (I think) [19:14] hmm [19:15] I have been building kde4 trunk on hardy, and there is no libpci-dev, only pciutils-dev [19:17] nixternal: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:dhkWxttiLjQJ:groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.devel.release/browse_thread/thread/f1f2c72322144a9d+libpci+pciutils&hl=ro&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ro&client=firefox-a [19:27] where can I grab the lastest kde.mk for KDE4? [19:36] nixternal: maybe you know?^ it's for vorian's package (about to upload) [19:44] any of the 4.0.4 packages [19:44] I was afraid of that.. [19:56] Riddell: check your kdebase package in Intrepid...something tells me you grabbed a bad tarball, as the 01_ patch has already been applied upstream in the tarball I grabbed from ktown [20:10] * nixternal builds kdebase [20:10] go apps go! [20:15] hey, if I am working today, then you all are working today!!! [20:15] nobody passed on a request for time off to me at all for this weekend :p [20:16] :) [20:19] god I love the planet.ubuntu.com [20:20] me too [20:22] nixternal: I think I may have set -ops off [20:38] * vorian waves [20:38] jpds: which package? [20:40] vorian: k9copy, it's okay, but it still goes to /usr/lib/kde4 [20:40] rrrr [20:41] vorian: is that for the package, or re: planet ubuntu? [20:42] well, I can't really comment on the planet you know ;) [20:42] jpds: ahh, if you are doing k9copy for intrepid, you will also need to change the current k9copy to become something like k9copy-kde3...but I don't know 100% how the old kde3 packages are going [20:42] I can do that :) [20:42] nixternal: Ri.ddell said to replace. [20:42] ah, nevermind [20:43] are we getting rid of everything kde3 then? [20:43] * nixternal hopes not [20:43] Think so [20:43] vorian: you can still update it! [20:43] roger that [20:45] vorian: poke me when you're done and I'll upload ASAP [20:45] jpds: which one? [20:45] vorian: k9copy [20:46] original? k9copy > k9copy-kde3? [20:46] * vorian is suddenly confused [20:47] replace the kde3 with the kde4 on revu [20:47] so drop the -kde4 then [20:47] yeaj [20:47] err, s/j/h/ [20:48] werd [20:48] :) [20:54] jpds: update the debian/cdbs as well, or leave it as is? [20:56] vorian: yeah, that's what I was asking n1x.ternal [20:56] I'll pull then from the -members ppa [20:57] or not ... [21:03] alrighty jpds, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=k9copy [21:04] * jpds downloads [21:08] vorian: DEB_CMAKE_PREFIX = /usr/lib/kde4 [21:08] oops [21:16] where can I find a package with 4.0.4 mojo for cdbs? [21:16] nixternal: ^ :P [21:16] any of them [21:16] if you are going to intrepid, you don't want to use those files === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [21:40] If I am correct the base packages for 4.1 are now in the kubuntu-members kde4 ppa now? [22:03] kdebase-workspace-bin depends on x11-server-utils but apt can't find that package [22:03] Well, the 4.1 package in the ppa anyway [22:07] just noticed that, but it builds [22:08] JontheEchidna: they are not complete, the ones in PPA [22:08] if you grab them, plan on using KDE 3 for a while :) [22:10] yeah, I'm in virtual terminals 1-3 with irssi at the moment [22:10] * JontheEchidna is stoopid [22:10] command line isn't that bad, though [22:10] It's nice and fast, for one thign [22:12] would it be safe to use the dpkg --ignore-depends on the deb? [22:12] nope [22:12] if you install what is there, none of your kde4 apps will work [22:13] yes, I know that. I have already installed it all and kdebase-workspace is gone [22:13] I probably should have mentioned that I'm trying to get kdebase-workspace back :P [22:14] remove the ppa and then purge kdebase-workspace, then rm -rf ~/.kde4 [22:15] k, thanks [22:15] brb [22:17] not too pester and i imagine this questions get asked a lot but ... what's the ETA for kde 4.1 beta packages? [22:17] :) [22:17] eager to try it out myself [22:18] DreadKnight: my other laptop runs debian and the packages from experimental are awesome! :) [22:18] cool [22:18] 4.1 beta > 4.0.3 :D [22:18] i run 4.0.4 [22:19] openSuse supports kde4 pretty well it seems [22:19] yup [22:20] fedora does too for that matter ... but not as well as opensuse but they've got a ton of kde devs though ... but this is off-topic here :) [22:20] :) [22:20] daskreech: welmcome :) [22:20] welcome* [22:21] Riddell: lo, any update on KDE 4.1 on intrepid? [22:21] Hey DreadKnight how are you doing? [22:21] I finally succeeded installing KUbuntu on my MacBookPro [22:21] you keep popping up :) [22:21] daskreech: hehe [22:22] eager to try out 4.1beta :D [22:22] what about you daskreech? [22:22] sI'm on it now [22:22] * mustela would be shocked if debian releases on time as they could be the first distro to ship 4.1 [22:23] They currently have some debate as to if it should be included or not [22:23] THough they will probably ship CDs with Gnome as default in any case [22:23] daskreech: yup cd1 is gnome not kde ;) [22:23] daskreech: the kde 4.1 beta packages in experimental are sweet though [22:24] Yeah I know. I'm on the Suse Live CD and though it's driving me nuts I'm still booting into it [22:24] All the new features adn new bugs are pretty exciting :) [22:24] * daskreech finds Google nicely broken [22:24] xD [22:24] Though that's fixed in trunk already [22:25] daskreech: do you have sound on dragonplayer? [22:25] in* [22:26] DreadKnight: Where? [22:26] on my install no [22:26] onthe Live cd yes [22:26] anywhere xD [22:26] sound not working for me in dragonplayer for months... [22:27] I can't get it sorted on my install but thats cause I chose not to install phonon [22:28] :D [22:29] i got my popcorn now.. i'm gonna watch some movie... need to waste some time :-) [22:29] bbl [22:29] ok [22:30] DreadKnight: Get popkorn It's nicer ;-) [22:30] daskreech: indeed :D cheers! [22:42] just put up a new kdebase-workspace [22:43] hopefully this will squash some dep issues [22:43] wow is freenode having problems? [22:43] on trrillian i'm gettting no user list and its taking forever to join channels [22:43] ok [22:43] now I have a weird mix of 4.0.80 and 4.0.4 [22:44] that's cuz the packages are not complete [22:44] but at least I have a working desktop environment with wobbly windows [22:44] hehe [22:44] :D [22:44] at least you got that much...I have a bit of a dependency issue going on here....just cleaned out the cache, gonna check again [22:45] yeah, that was a pain to get through [22:45] I remember back in the mid 90s when I'd want to play flash games on the linux computers my dad administrated [22:46] Or maybe more like the late 90s [22:46] is there something going on w/ irc? [22:46] That was my first experience with dependencies [22:46] and they have haunted me ever since [22:48] jjesse_: freenode is a flake today it seems [22:49] its wierd i have joined some channels, but not showing any users and other issues [22:49] i have no idea whats going on [22:49] jjesse_: I got lag with joining chans as well === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [22:50] i'm not getting al ist of users either [22:50] JontheEchidna: Nothing like installing Redhat and then driving over to someone's house to get some RPMS driving a few hours home to find out that they have dependencies [22:51] Ahmm Think I'll go back next week and get those [22:51] what did you guys install to get a usable KDE4.1 wobblyness? :) [22:51] thanks for the info [22:51] daskreech that would suck to have to drive back :) [22:51] jjesse: Maybe you have that info squashed ? [22:51] daskreech: i don't, i can't even do tab completion for users [22:51] cartman you don't want to install just yet [22:52] unless you are man enough to face... dependency hell! [22:52] and a potentially broken system [22:52] JontheEchidna: I did install Kubuntu on MacBookPro :P [22:52] thats man enough [22:52] heh [22:52] jjesse: hmm that's strange. that's only happened to me once [22:52] though I'll wait indeed [22:52] :) [22:52] I added the ppa used for the gutsy kde4 packages [22:52] and upgraded [22:52] #kde-mac :) [22:53] then I removed the last traces of kdebase-workspace and reinstalled 4.0.4's kdebase-workspace [22:53] kwin-kde4 4.0.80 stayed behind and I achieved wobbliness [22:54] ah :) [22:54] hope this makes it to alpha1 [22:54] alrighty, heading out for some food and to chill a bit...I shall return to complete kde 4.1 beta 1 packages [22:54] k, thanks for the work you've done so far. I'm happy. :) [22:54] oh, and you will get happier :) [22:55] yes, dolphin + tabs ftw [22:55] kdebase-kde4 is up now, so konsole-kde4 and the main apps (konqi) are updated [22:55] but you would recommend waiting still? [22:55] nixternal: yay but isn't the name is kdebase now ? [22:55] just shhhhh, don't tell the world because I don't want them bitching when I destroy their computers :) [22:55] hehe [22:55] cartman: we can't do that in hardy [22:55] I care about intrepid ;) [22:55] bleeder edge [22:56] so is the kdebase-workspace dependency issue resolved now? [22:56] well I am not working on the kde4 packages in intrepid, I am backporting for the hardy users [22:56] nixternal: remember you, from pko, good work [22:56] JontheEchidna: do you remember what the dep issue was? I forgot [22:56] x11-server-utils [22:56] no such package [22:56] ya, removed those [22:56] was it complaining when you tried to install? [22:56] yeah [22:57] ksmserver conflicts with kdebase-workspace-data === smarter_ is now known as smarter [22:57] wait [22:57] dolphin has tabs? [22:57] Heh, here we are bogging down nixternal with more work [22:57] daskreech: in 4.1, yes [22:57] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop', which is also in package ksmserver [22:58] oooh, that would suck [22:58] * daskreech implodes [22:59] ok so I need konversation back [22:59] KOnversation has no code but has icons [22:59] That sucketh [22:59] heh, yeah [23:00] when I originally updated to these packages all I could do was log in to failsafe [23:03] I'm so torn :( [23:03] I wanna update to 4.1 but I wanna test the 4.0.5 packages as well [23:04] the change log is smaller this time between 4.0.4 [23:05] do you guys ever get to see any change log in adept? [23:05] not recently [23:05] in synaptic it works. but never in adept... [23:05] it always 404's [23:05] yeah [23:05] my kdm-kde4 looks like crap.. [23:06] JontheEchidna: Hmm [23:06] Sounds like something to dig into [23:06] can't be that hard to fix [23:06] http://cli-apps.org/content/show.php/lchangelog?content=71530 << a little script I made some time ago to check changelog of installed packages [23:06] there is a KDE4 Adept port going on right ? [23:07] DreadKnight: Mine too [23:07] blue background? [23:07] JontheEchidna: erm... even worse.. [23:07] heh [23:07] mine is entirely blue [23:08] daskreech: hope they'll just use shaman 2, way better than adept and synaptic, nicer gui, policykit as backend soon and using qt4 already [23:08] JontheEchidna: heh... that would be nice ... mine makes teeth hurt [23:09] * daskreech likes adept [23:09] daskreech: me too, but shaman2 is way better in every way xD [23:09] imho [23:09] hopefully packagekit's apt backend will become fully funtionally and the qt port gets finished [23:10] nixternal: Konqueror-kde4 is looking for kdebase-data instead of the kde4 counterpart [23:10] it's the same thing like with kaffeine / dragonplayer (or not xD ) [23:10] what's the PPA for 4.1 btw? [23:11] the same one used for gutsy KDE4 backports [23:12] It's in the 4.0.3 release announcement at kubuntu.org [23:12] guessed so [23:13] DreadKnight: but as far as i can it's uninstallable at the moment [23:13] https://edge.launchpad.net/kde4-backports [23:13] kdebase-runtime-data-common poops out [23:13] mustela: oh [23:13] you can override that error, if it's pooping about trying to install files in other packages [23:14] JontheEchidna: how? [23:14] dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/debname [23:14] https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4 [23:14] hmm [23:14] but... proceed with caution [23:15] queue ominous *dun dun dun* [23:16] <3 kwin compositing [23:17] maybe I'll boot into my intrepid partition and see if 4.1 packages are done there... === J-Unit is now known as jdong [23:19] oh shi- plasma is missing [23:20] I wonder what I did this time [23:20] oh, dpkg never finished setting up plamsa [23:22] brb, rebooting === jonathan_ is now known as JontheEchidna [23:29] i added the ppa, but kdebase-workspace-bin is marked for removal... not good :\ [23:31] should i proceed anyway or what? xD [23:31] proceeding will cause you not to be able to login to KDE4 [23:31] =) [23:46] oh those ppa 4.1 packages let me without a working kde ... not surprised ;) [23:50] same here [23:51] kdebase-workspace was probalby removed [23:54] DreadKnight: I'll look at shaman then [23:55] daskreech: well, v2 with policykit not ready yet... so only usable on archlinux distro; anyway... [23:55] do so :-) [23:56] daskreech: official site http://shaman.iskrembilen.com/site/ [23:58] * daskreech fights off memories of WOW [23:59] i think i'll wait for the official announcement before trying to break my kde again ;)