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| psyke83 | kwwii, you there? | 19:40 |
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| kwwii | psyke83: I am in Berlin at a Linux conference | 20:10 |
| kwwii | psyke83: but I am online for a bit if I can answer a question or so | 20:10 |
| psyke83 | kwwii, ah I won't bother you then, I'll post my next modification on the ML, is that ok? | 20:11 |
| kwwii | psyke83: yes, please, do | 20:11 |
| psyke83 | sure thing, and enjoy yourself | 20:11 |
| kwwii | psyke83: I'll include one from you next week | 20:11 |
| psyke83 | kwwii, I'm just throwing them out as ideas, in case they're liked... no pressure | 20:11 |
| kwwii | well, the one I put in was the same kinda thing | 20:12 |
| kwwii | so we can try out something different without worry | 20:12 |
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| psyke83 | kwwii, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/attachments/20080531/c29553ff/attachment-0001.png | 20:22 |
| psyke83 | it's quite a bit lighter and uses a "coffee" brown as the selected bg colour, and just a few other tweaks | 20:23 |
| psyke83 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-May/006464.html | 20:24 |
| kwwii | psyke83: I like the idea but I am afraid to make it too washed out (and therefor too little contrast) | 21:04 |
| kwwii | we can try something much lighter out and see what people say | 21:04 |
| psyke83 | kwwii, when you say too little contrast, do you mean the background colour against the selected background colour? | 21:05 |
| psyke83 | because too much contrast can also be bad (e.g. using firefox, dark widgets on a typical website) | 21:06 |
| psyke83 | (a website with white background) | 21:06 |
| kwwii | psyke83: http://sinecera.de/current.png is where I am so far | 21:07 |
| kwwii | right, I can see that point as well | 21:07 |
| kwwii | really, we will have to test this out and see what people say | 21:07 |
| psyke83 | sure | 21:08 |
| psyke83 | by the way, judging from the screenshot, you're using "scrollbar_color"; that option is deprecated. Use "colorize_scrollbar" and set the boolean true, and it will inherit the selected bg colour | 21:08 |
| psyke83 | unfortunately I've noticed some instability with the new engine, too | 21:09 |
| psyke83 | it's from SVN, so that's to be expected | 21:09 |
| psyke83 | kwwii, also, the "contrast" parameter has a different effect on the new engine, you may want to set it back to 1.0 if you don't like the separator lines | 21:13 |
| DanaG | Random thing: that reminds me... I actually do kinda' like rounded scrollbar ends... once I've changed the band-aid-ish bumps to lines instead. | 21:15 |
| psyke83 | DanaG, sorry, what bumps do you mean? | 21:22 |
| DanaG | In Nodoka engine, actually. | 21:22 |
| DanaG | That's what I'm currently using. | 21:22 |
| psyke83 | ah, ok | 21:23 |
| BHSPitLappy | psyke83, I feel the contrast is too low as well | 21:26 |
| BHSPitLappy | kwwii, I think the orange and brown clash in that shot | 21:28 |
| BHSPitLappy | just my .04USD | 21:28 |
| psyke83 | BHSPitLappy, alright. The theme is color-picker compatible, so you can try tweaking the colours to your liking, and if you find a good combination you can post a screenshot | 21:28 |
| BHSPitLappy | maybe we could employ ColourLovers here | 21:29 |
| psyke83 | BHSPitLappy, to be honest, I don't like dark themes because of too high a contrast, and I find it quite difficult to browse the net particularly, since we cannot control the background of webpages. Having a lower contrast makes it more tolerable | 21:29 |
| BHSPitLappy | I use a dark theme currently, and I agree about the web problems | 21:29 |
| BHSPitLappy | these are instances of bad CSS design, though, for the most part | 21:29 |
| BHSPitLappy | and I tend to let the webmasters know when I can | 21:30 |
| psyke83 | BHSPitLappy, not at all, that's not the problem | 21:30 |
| psyke83 | are Google going to change their white background for us? | 21:30 |
| BHSPitLappy | psyke83, when they explicitly set a backgorund but not a foreground, or vice versa, that's their problem | 21:30 |
| DanaG | I use this slightly-dark theme in Windows: http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=436&libid=7 | 21:30 |
| BHSPitLappy | I thought that was the problem we were talking about | 21:31 |
| BHSPitLappy | ending up with black-on-black or white-on-white text | 21:31 |
| DanaG | s/in/when in/ | 21:31 |
| psyke83 | BHSPitLappy, ah no, sorry. That problem is mostly in non-conformant GTK2 applications, e.g. gnome-control-center, nvidia-settings and many more | 21:31 |
| psyke83 | as long as the base colour is off-white, then the problem can be somewhat circumvented | 21:32 |
| BHSPitLappy | I especially see the problem on input forms online | 21:32 |
| psyke83 | Ken chose an off-white base (grey) and so did I (light brown), so it's not a big deal for now. UbuntuStudio gets around this by having an off-white text instead | 21:32 |
| BHSPitLappy | e.g. The text will be set to #000000, and the background will be set to system default (not set at all) | 21:33 |
| BHSPitLappy | so they'll use my dark gray input bg and have me typing in black | 21:33 |
| psyke83 | BHSPitLappy, right, I haven't looked into that yet, but certainly a lower contrast theme is needed in this case | 21:33 |
| psyke83 | BHSPitLappy, do you know a site off-hand I can look at? | 21:34 |
| BHSPitLappy | the moral I'm seeing is that content producers (apps and online) by and large don't allow users flexibility in theming | 21:34 |
| BHSPitLappy | psyke83, google? | 21:34 |
| BHSPitLappy | or do you mean a really problematic site | 21:34 |
| psyke83 | the google search page doesn't present any issues as far as I can see | 21:35 |
| BHSPitLappy | the login on my university's web portal is an example | 21:36 |
| BHSPitLappy | though the site is crap anyway | 21:36 |
| BHSPitLappy | https://my.unt.edu/ | 21:36 |
| psyke83 | where is the problem, for the EUID and Password fields? | 21:37 |
| BHSPitLappy | yeah | 21:37 |
| BHSPitLappy | the background there uses system defaults | 21:37 |
| BHSPitLappy | the text there is explicitly set to black | 21:38 |
| psyke83 | that's not a problem, though, Ken and my version are already using black text for input boxes | 21:38 |
| BHSPitLappy | psyke83, it's a bug in their CSS | 21:39 |
| psyke83 | BHSPitLappy, yes I understand, but it won't conflict with this specific theme, as we happen to use text for GtkEntry fields | 21:39 |
| psyke83 | so, it won't look inconsistent | 21:39 |
| psyke83 | *black text | 21:39 |
| BHSPitLappy | it should either fall to system defaults for BOTH colors, like Google does, or explicitly set both | 21:40 |
| BHSPitLappy | psyke83, it's not the theme's job to account for that problem, it's the content's | 21:40 |
| psyke83 | ok, I'm just pointing out that it doesn't present a problem ;) | 21:40 |
| psyke83 | and if you could apply a hack to enforce this behaviour, Firefox would need patching, not the theme or GTK | 21:41 |
| psyke83 | maybe there's a greasemonkey script that already does it, who knows | 21:41 |
| DustinGraham | Trying to find a term for images that are basically black and white blocky stick figures (like the do not cross sign with the guy standing with the circle and the cross through it...) | 21:55 |
| BHSPitLappy | psyke83, huh? | 21:57 |
| psyke83 | BHSPitLappy, to work around sites using bad CSS, I mean | 21:57 |
| BHSPitLappy | you could do it with a global Stylish theme, which is also merely transferring the responsibility away from its correct recipient | 21:57 |
| BHSPitLappy | I just sent an e-mail to the maintainer of that university page, it'll get fixed :P | 21:57 |
| BHSPitLappy | It's just stupid to set the foreground color for something on a web page and not set the background, or vice versa. Complete illogic. | 21:58 |
| BHSPitLappy | also, that was weird. (RE: DustinGraham) | 21:59 |
| psyke83 | BHSPitLappy, I can notice a difference looking at a CRT screen vs LCD, so I darkened the theme a bit more, what do you think? http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/HumanMurrineDark3.png | 22:21 |
| BHSPitLappy | psyke83, it's better | 22:22 |
| BHSPitLappy | why do the tabs in the lower-left look messed up? | 22:23 |
| psyke83 | and the orange? I'm not too sure about it | 22:23 |
| BHSPitLappy | TWF bug? | 22:23 |
| BHSPitLappy | I think it's okay | 22:23 |
| psyke83 | hmm what's wrong with the tabs? | 22:24 |
| BHSPitLappy | if you're getting a palette from coffee, I'd look at lots of coffee pics for good complementing colors :) | 22:25 |
| psyke83 | I wasn't necessarily aiming for a "coffee" theme ;) | 22:27 |
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