=== elky is now known as elkbuntu === Dana1 is now known as DanaG [19:40] kwwii, you there? [20:10] psyke83: I am in Berlin at a Linux conference [20:10] psyke83: but I am online for a bit if I can answer a question or so [20:11] kwwii, ah I won't bother you then, I'll post my next modification on the ML, is that ok? [20:11] psyke83: yes, please, do [20:11] sure thing, and enjoy yourself [20:11] psyke83: I'll include one from you next week [20:11] kwwii, I'm just throwing them out as ideas, in case they're liked... no pressure [20:12] well, the one I put in was the same kinda thing [20:12] so we can try out something different without worry === Dana1 is now known as DanaG [20:22] kwwii, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/attachments/20080531/c29553ff/attachment-0001.png [20:23] it's quite a bit lighter and uses a "coffee" brown as the selected bg colour, and just a few other tweaks [20:24] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-May/006464.html [21:04] psyke83: I like the idea but I am afraid to make it too washed out (and therefor too little contrast) [21:04] we can try something much lighter out and see what people say [21:05] kwwii, when you say too little contrast, do you mean the background colour against the selected background colour? [21:06] because too much contrast can also be bad (e.g. using firefox, dark widgets on a typical website) [21:06] (a website with white background) [21:07] psyke83: http://sinecera.de/current.png is where I am so far [21:07] right, I can see that point as well [21:07] really, we will have to test this out and see what people say [21:08] sure [21:08] by the way, judging from the screenshot, you're using "scrollbar_color"; that option is deprecated. Use "colorize_scrollbar" and set the boolean true, and it will inherit the selected bg colour [21:09] unfortunately I've noticed some instability with the new engine, too [21:09] it's from SVN, so that's to be expected [21:13] kwwii, also, the "contrast" parameter has a different effect on the new engine, you may want to set it back to 1.0 if you don't like the separator lines [21:15] Random thing: that reminds me... I actually do kinda' like rounded scrollbar ends... once I've changed the band-aid-ish bumps to lines instead. [21:22] DanaG, sorry, what bumps do you mean? [21:22] In Nodoka engine, actually. [21:22] That's what I'm currently using. [21:23] ah, ok [21:26] psyke83, I feel the contrast is too low as well [21:28] kwwii, I think the orange and brown clash in that shot [21:28] just my .04USD [21:28] BHSPitLappy, alright. The theme is color-picker compatible, so you can try tweaking the colours to your liking, and if you find a good combination you can post a screenshot [21:29] maybe we could employ ColourLovers here [21:29] BHSPitLappy, to be honest, I don't like dark themes because of too high a contrast, and I find it quite difficult to browse the net particularly, since we cannot control the background of webpages. Having a lower contrast makes it more tolerable [21:29] I use a dark theme currently, and I agree about the web problems [21:29] these are instances of bad CSS design, though, for the most part [21:30] and I tend to let the webmasters know when I can [21:30] BHSPitLappy, not at all, that's not the problem [21:30] are Google going to change their white background for us? [21:30] psyke83, when they explicitly set a backgorund but not a foreground, or vice versa, that's their problem [21:30] I use this slightly-dark theme in Windows: http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=436&libid=7 [21:31] I thought that was the problem we were talking about [21:31] ending up with black-on-black or white-on-white text [21:31] s/in/when in/ [21:31] BHSPitLappy, ah no, sorry. That problem is mostly in non-conformant GTK2 applications, e.g. gnome-control-center, nvidia-settings and many more [21:32] as long as the base colour is off-white, then the problem can be somewhat circumvented [21:32] I especially see the problem on input forms online [21:32] Ken chose an off-white base (grey) and so did I (light brown), so it's not a big deal for now. UbuntuStudio gets around this by having an off-white text instead [21:33] e.g. The text will be set to #000000, and the background will be set to system default (not set at all) [21:33] so they'll use my dark gray input bg and have me typing in black [21:33] BHSPitLappy, right, I haven't looked into that yet, but certainly a lower contrast theme is needed in this case [21:34] BHSPitLappy, do you know a site off-hand I can look at? [21:34] the moral I'm seeing is that content producers (apps and online) by and large don't allow users flexibility in theming [21:34] psyke83, google? [21:34] or do you mean a really problematic site [21:35] the google search page doesn't present any issues as far as I can see [21:36] the login on my university's web portal is an example [21:36] though the site is crap anyway [21:36] https://my.unt.edu/ [21:37] where is the problem, for the EUID and Password fields? [21:37] yeah [21:37] the background there uses system defaults [21:38] the text there is explicitly set to black [21:38] that's not a problem, though, Ken and my version are already using black text for input boxes [21:39] psyke83, it's a bug in their CSS [21:39] BHSPitLappy, yes I understand, but it won't conflict with this specific theme, as we happen to use text for GtkEntry fields [21:39] so, it won't look inconsistent [21:39] *black text [21:40] it should either fall to system defaults for BOTH colors, like Google does, or explicitly set both [21:40] psyke83, it's not the theme's job to account for that problem, it's the content's [21:40] ok, I'm just pointing out that it doesn't present a problem ;) [21:41] and if you could apply a hack to enforce this behaviour, Firefox would need patching, not the theme or GTK [21:41] maybe there's a greasemonkey script that already does it, who knows [21:55] Trying to find a term for images that are basically black and white blocky stick figures (like the do not cross sign with the guy standing with the circle and the cross through it...) [21:57] psyke83, huh? [21:57] BHSPitLappy, to work around sites using bad CSS, I mean [21:57] you could do it with a global Stylish theme, which is also merely transferring the responsibility away from its correct recipient [21:57] I just sent an e-mail to the maintainer of that university page, it'll get fixed :P [21:58] It's just stupid to set the foreground color for something on a web page and not set the background, or vice versa. Complete illogic. [21:59] also, that was weird. (RE: DustinGraham) [22:21] BHSPitLappy, I can notice a difference looking at a CRT screen vs LCD, so I darkened the theme a bit more, what do you think? http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/HumanMurrineDark3.png [22:22] psyke83, it's better [22:23] why do the tabs in the lower-left look messed up? [22:23] and the orange? I'm not too sure about it [22:23] TWF bug? [22:23] I think it's okay [22:24] hmm what's wrong with the tabs? [22:25] if you're getting a palette from coffee, I'd look at lots of coffee pics for good complementing colors :) [22:27] I wasn't necessarily aiming for a "coffee" theme ;) === Dana1 is now known as DanaG