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ubottunickellery: Schedule for America/Vancouver: 31 May 05:30:  Forum Council | 02 Jun 13:00: EMEA membership meeting | 04 Jun 09:00: LoCo Council | 04 Jun 15:00: Kubuntu Team | 05 Jun 13:00: Security Team07:58
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ubottuleoquant: Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: 31 May 14:30:  Forum Council | 02 Jun 22:00: EMEA membership meeting | 04 Jun 18:00: LoCo Council | 05 Jun 00:00: Kubuntu Team | 05 Jun 22:00: Security Team08:41
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PmDematagoda'lo bapoumba12:49
PmDematagodaguess what12:49
bapoumbahey PmDematagoda :)12:49
bapoumbaWhat ?12:49
PmDematagodano meeting......yet12:50
PmDematagoda:P12:50
bapoumbawell, it's in half hour12:50
bapoumba40 MINS12:50
PmDematagodahuh?12:50
bapoumbayes12:50
PmDematagodabut Lodon is 12:40ish12:50
PmDematagodaLondon12:50
bapoumbaHmm12:50
stdinUK is on BST, not GMT12:50
PmDematagodabapoumba, can you give me the co-ordinates of the UTC time zone?12:51
PmDematagodaoh yeah12:51
PmDematagodastdin, you're right12:51
bapoumbaI now there is a command in the channels for that12:51
bapoumbatesting:12:51
bapoumba!time12:51
bapoumbatime!12:51
PmDematagodalol12:51
stdinno bot atm12:51
PmDematagodayou need a ! I believe12:51
PmDematagodaor /time12:51
bapoumbaah okay, thanks stdin12:52
stdin'date -u' in a shell will show time in UTC12:52
PmDematagodacool12:52
PmDematagodathanks stdin12:52
stdin:)12:52
PmDematagodait's 11:5212:52
PmDematagodastdin, do you know how to show that on the GNOME clock applet?12:53
stdinnope, I use KDE ;)12:53
PmDematagodalol12:53
bapoumbahttp://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ PmDematagoda12:53
PmDematagodaah12:53
PmDematagodathanks baps12:53
bapoumbawelcome :)12:53
PmDematagodaai12:54
PmDematagodaGreat Britain/United Kingdom is one hour ahead of UTC during summer.12:54
PmDematagodathere's the explanation why GB time was wrong12:54
PmDematagodaatleast for me12:54
bapoumbayes, and I'm UTC +212:54
bapoumba(my kids are hating me once again ^^)12:54
PmDematagodaI need to find a place directly under UTC12:54
PmDematagodaor something12:54
PmDematagodabapoumba, jdong was very happy when I relayed your words to him12:55
PmDematagoda:D12:55
bapoumbaHehe :)12:55
PmDematagodadamn12:56
PmDematagodajust cant get UTC12:56
PmDematagoda:(12:56
persiaPmDematagoda: Togo.  Specifically, Lome, Togo.12:59
PmDematagodacool12:59
PmDematagodaexcellent12:59
PmDematagodathanks persia12:59
PmDematagodahey u-g13:17
PmDematagodaquite early today13:17
PmDematagoda;)13:17
ubuntugeekHello13:19
PmDematagoda'lo13:20
Technovikingmorning13:21
PmDematagodaevening13:22
emmaGood morning.13:22
bapoumbahello ubuntugeek :)13:22
emmaI think I might go and see if I can get outside.13:22
emmaHello!13:22
bapoumbahello emma !13:22
emmaoh i thought you were calling me an ubuntugeek lol13:22
bapoumbaNP, emma, and it's nice and sunny outside :)13:23
PmDematagodalol13:23
PmDematagodacomplete opposite here13:23
PmDematagodabeen raining all day13:23
emmaOh dear. I'm quite sorry to everyone. I thought I was in ##linux. That's where I usually see PmDematagoda13:24
PmDematagodalol13:24
PmDematagodaemma, dont you mean #ubuntuforums?13:24
emmaI hope I am not interrupting a meeting.13:24
PmDematagodanot at all13:24
PmDematagodait didnt start yet13:24
bapoumbanot yet emma13:24
PmDematagoda:)13:24
emmaPmDematagoda: I'm not sure but I thought I was in a different channel since I saw your nick.13:24
PmDematagodaemma, lol, am I that famous13:25
emma(phew!)13:25
* PmDematagoda swells in pride13:25
PmDematagoda:D13:25
ubuntugeek:)13:25
bapoumbaHello Mike (sorry, did not see you coming in :))13:25
PmDematagodahey Technoviking(Mike):)13:26
Technovikingbapoumba: it is my ninja training13:27
bapoumbaMust be Technoviking ^^13:27
PmDematagodalol13:27
bapoumbaOr my poor attention ..13:27
PmDematagodathat too can be the cause.........13:28
* PmDematagoda ducks13:28
* bapoumba keeps eyes wide open when it comes to PmDematagoda 13:28
PmDematagoda:D13:28
PmDematagodayou cerebrum isnt functioning properly baps13:28
* bapoumba getting old..13:29
PmDematagodalol13:29
PmDematagodaI suppose you know enough bio to know what it means13:29
PmDematagoda:)13:29
bapoumbaone day you'll understand, PmDematagoda :D13:29
PmDematagoda:P13:29
ubuntugeekWe'll start in a couple minutes13:29
bapoumbaoki13:30
PmDematagodaaccording to my time, there's one minute remaining13:30
ubuntugeek0 minutes :)13:30
PmDematagodayep13:30
PmDematagodasame here13:30
PmDematagodaubuntugeek, keeping time snyced to an NTP?13:30
ubuntugeekAye.13:30
PmDematagodantp.ubuntu.com I suppose13:31
ubuntugeekLets discuss the Apple/Inte/PPC forum. Originally this was split because there wasn't enough traffic to warrant (2) forums. Putting them together with the and using tagging and prefixes seemed the way to go. The prefixes only specified the actually version leaving it up to the user to put in the tag for Intel or PPC.13:32
PmDematagodaPPC usage is rather low13:33
PmDematagodaso that can be justified13:33
PmDematagodaall Macs coming out nowadays are Intel arent they?13:33
Technovikingi think prefixes is the way to go13:33
ubuntugeekYeah Intel only13:33
PmDematagodayep13:33
PmDematagodathen we can eventually phase out PPC13:34
ubuntugeekI think the PPC user selection is low enough that they can specify a tag stating PPC or Intel. Thoughts?13:34
PmDematagodayeppers13:34
PmDematagodaprefixes are simple enough13:34
PmDematagodathey are visible enough13:35
PmDematagodathat should be enough to make people happy13:35
ubuntugeekCurrently our prefixes are shared among all categories, if we wanted to split them by PPC/Intel inside the apple forum it would require a new set be created. And would look pretty nasty with 10+ to choose from.13:35
Technovikingone question, could we go a step further and merge all the architecture forums i386,amd64, ppc, lpia (mobile), sparc into one and use prefixes? or would that just piss people off13:35
PmDematagodaTechnoviking, is there a lot of activity on all of them?13:36
bapoumbaregarding Apple forum, one is enough. The UF tree is already quite complicated :)13:36
PmDematagodai386 and amd64 are obviously active13:36
ubuntugeekMike, well the problem with that is.. Currently we don't have any platform specificed in the prefix, just the distro. Tags should be used for the platform but it requires the user to do that right now.13:36
oswaldkelsoAs a ppc user I can say that the removal of  ubuntu ppc and merging it with mac-tel has not been welcome by either set of users.13:37
ubuntugeekI can't imagine choosing from a list of 30+ prefixes trying to find the one i want.13:37
PmDematagodaubuntugeek, very good point13:37
bapoumbaubuntugeek, +113:37
PmDematagodaI wouldnt do that either13:37
Technovikingagreed13:37
bapoumbawhat about Kubuntu on and64 ?13:37
bapoumbait would require more than one prefix13:38
ubuntugeekPerhaps we can look at ways to improve the tags and make them into a dropdown like the prefixes.13:38
PmDematagodaubuntugeek, tags?13:38
PmDematagodathat may become messy13:38
bapoumbacan we limit the tags like the prefixes ?13:38
bapoumbaonly a list to choose from ?13:38
PmDematagodasome/most people may not even bother if there are a lot of prefixes/tags13:38
ubuntugeekYou can search by tags and tags now show next to forum title. Its rather simple if someone put 686, PPC, etc in the tag13:39
bapoumbaand no new ones ? (that would solve the nasty tags)13:39
PmDematagodaubuntugeek, people will take sometime to get used to that13:39
PmDematagodaand newbs will find that hard13:40
PmDematagodawe must give an introduction to newbies13:40
ubuntugeekLets put it this way, prefixes are pre-defined and the user must choose one. Ubuntu, kubuntu etc its rather simple. Tags however require user input, its about educating them to use the feature. We can add verbage on the posting page to help facilitate this.13:40
PmDematagodaubuntugeek, exactly13:40
bapoumbaPmDematagoda, any feature is difficult to users ^^13:41
ubuntugeekMoving the tag entry box under the subject line from the bottom of the post box would be the first step with verbage.13:41
bapoumba(along with the infraction button, but that's another story..)13:42
ubuntugeek:)13:42
bapoumbaI guess the amd64 arch will loose more visibility than any other in this process13:43
PmDematagodaamd64 is getting importance13:43
PmDematagodaand it is getting better13:43
PmDematagodaamd64 must get the same significance as i386 is13:43
ubuntugeekI think as the forum evolves we'll probably merge some forums the apple forum was the first one. Let's make some changes to the tag entry box and add verbage to the posting template to help educate users to use the feature. We can also add a tag cloud to the category so the tags are more visible.13:43
PmDematagodathat would work13:43
bapoumbacategory ?13:44
Technovikingubuntugeek: +113:44
PmDematagodaubuntugeek, what about giving some more prominence to the help on forums features sticky?13:44
ubuntugeekbaps, for example http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=328 under the description add a tag cloud13:44
PmDematagodaif we do, then newbies can read it and they can find UF more easier to use13:44
ubuntugeekWell, I am working on something for new users :) its about 40% done.. I think you'll like it :)13:45
PmDematagodaubuntugeek, excellent13:45
bapoumbaAh okay ubuntugeek, +113:45
PmDematagodaubuntugeek, care to give a preview of what it'll be?13:45
ubuntugeek:P13:45
PmDematagoda:D13:45
bapoumbaI know PmDematagoda, you get to talk to each new user :)13:46
bapoumbapersonally, one by one13:46
ubuntugeekMike, looks like we'll give this a try and discuss it in a later meeting to determine how well its working? Agree?13:46
PmDematagodabapoumba, dont be jealous because I have all the luck13:46
PmDematagoda:P13:46
Technovikingubuntugeek: agreed13:48
ubuntugeekk13:48
ubuntugeekIt's not in the agenda but lets discuss social groups really quick.13:48
PmDematagodaah13:48
PmDematagodaso what's going to be done u-g?13:48
bapoumbathey need to be watched more closely13:49
ubuntugeekA few weeks ago I mentioned some ideas for social groups. Those being the following: 1) social groups need to be applied for 2) they need to be ubuntu/forum related13:49
PmDematagodaI agree with those points13:50
bapoumba+113:50
ubuntugeekWith that said, I'd like to propose that we implement those policies and remove the current social groups that don't fall into this spec. Of course letting the group owners know before hand.13:51
ubuntugeekSocial Groups have sorta turned into a black hole..13:51
PmDematagodaagreed13:51
bapoumba+113:51
bapoumbaand may be also remove the ones that are incative after a certain time13:52
bapoumba(one mont or so ?)13:52
bapoumba*month13:52
PmDematagodanot one month13:52
PmDematagodaits a bit too short13:52
PmDematagodalet's have it at 313:52
Technoviking3-6 months13:52
ubuntugeekProbably 3-4 months would be good13:52
bapoumbaokay13:52
ubuntugeek3-6 is good too13:52
PmDematagodayeah13:53
ubuntugeek+1 on this from me13:53
bapoumba+113:53
Technovikingask at 3, close at 6 if nothing has changed13:53
Technoviking+113:53
ubuntugeekMike, perfect13:53
PmDematagodaTechnoviking, let's close at 413:53
PmDematagoda1 month is more than enough13:53
PmDematagodafor the owner to make an appearance and give his opinion13:54
PmDematagodawhat do you think?13:54
ubuntugeekPM, lets see how it goes13:54
PmDematagodaok13:54
ubuntugeekIs Graham Otte (xhhux) here to discuss his item?13:55
PmDematagodawhat?13:55
Technovikingubuntugeek: have not seen him13:55
PmDematagodadid he actually want to contest his ban?13:55
ubuntugeekYes13:55
PmDematagodaoook13:55
ubuntugeekWell, lets discuss it Mike. I think we've discussed it enough on the list and lets just make the facts know in public why he was banned.13:56
Technovikinglet get it on the record13:56
Technovikingubuntugeek: +113:56
ubuntugeekXhhux also shares accounts with multiple other users who have infractions for one reason or another13:56
ubuntugeekAll the email accounts on these accounts are very similiar, he claims it wasn't him doing it.13:57
ubuntugeekHe was banned and we reversed the ban once, only to find within the hour he was logging into multiple accounts again13:57
ubuntugeekWe banned him again13:58
PmDematagodaso he knew what he was doing13:58
bapoumbais he the one going with pchandler nicks too ?13:58
PmDematagodabapoumba, pchandler?13:58
ubuntugeekHe disputed it and we (the FC) decided to keep the ban in tact this time13:58
ubuntugeekAnd here we are today.. Its the general consensus of the FC to leave the perm ban at this time.13:59
PmDematagodaubuntugeek, what he did was more than enough to have even a respected member banned13:59
PmDematagodaso what kind of reason can he have?13:59
PmDematagodaunless he wants to put something over us13:59
Technovikingubuntugeek: +1, he was given a second chance and chose not to make the best of it13:59
ubuntugeekMike, +1 also matthew was unable to attend today meeting but shared the same thoughts as us on the FC list.14:00
ubuntugeekWe will leave the account banned at this time14:00
ubuntugeek+114:00
bapoumbafine with me14:00
PmDematagoda+1 here as well14:01
ubuntugeekMike?14:02
Technoviking+1 from me, he can take it to the CC if he wants, but it is a clear cut case14:03
ubuntugeekYep14:03
ubuntugeekDoes anyone have anything else?14:03
bapoumbaI think he has a currently active account14:03
* bapoumba checking14:03
PmDematagodabapoumba, are you referring to the linsux thing?14:03
ubuntugeekbaps ok we'll need to look into that14:04
Technovikingnope, other than can we move the meetings to 14:30 next time, it is 6:30 AM in Salt Lake :)14:04
PmDematagoda:D14:04
ubuntugeekMike, no way lol14:04
ubuntugeekYeah 14:30 is fine14:04
Technoviking6:30 AM Saturday = evil14:04
ubuntugeekWe'll I am evil :)14:04
PmDematagoda:P14:04
bapoumbaMike, my kids are waiting to go get new shoes ^^14:05
ubuntugeekI'll request the next meeting to be at 14:30 mike14:05
bapoumba2:30 PM saturday = evil too ;)14:05
Technovikingbapoumba: have fun14:05
PmDematagoda14:30 is cool14:05
ubuntugeekAnything else?14:05
bapoumbafine with me too14:05
Technovikingnone here14:06
PmDematagodado we need to do a clean up of the announcements?14:06
ubuntugeekPM, on the frontpage?14:06
PmDematagodayeppers14:06
ubuntugeekYeah14:06
ubuntugeekGoing to get to that today14:06
PmDematagodacool14:06
PmDematagoda:)14:06
PmDematagodaand Unix_Slayer sent me a PM today14:07
oswaldkelsoCould we go bacjk to the ppc issues as they seem to have been ridden over rough shod. There was no consultation as to the merging of mac-tel and ppc low usage or not. Tags suck.14:07
PmDematagodaoswaldkelso, what use is maintaining a forum section that is going to die out anyway?14:07
ubuntugeekoswal: We are going to try our implementation and bring it back to the agenda in a couple months for discussion .14:07
Technovikingoswaldkelso: What else to say? Prefixes are a good solution?14:08
oswaldkelsoThe majority of apple converts prefered the previous way with separate forums.14:08
oswaldkelsoEven the ppc mod was not consulted about the change. Shocking behaviour14:09
ubuntugeekoswal: Things change, the forum changes. I think we'll see more merging in the future.14:09
PmDematagodathere was a PPC mod?14:09
ubuntugeekPPC Mod?14:09
Technovikingoswaldkelso: I never liked the "Ubuntu" forums have two "Apple" areas14:09
Technovikingoswaldkelso: Give prefixes a chance14:09
PmDematagodaoswaldkelso, prefixes are rather visible, and they also have a way of keeping things organised14:10
oswaldkelsossam. he could'nt make it today but the maerge thread has been largly ignored, even thought ppc and mac-tel hat it14:10
oswaldkelso~hate14:10
PmDematagodawas ssam a PPC mod?14:10
PmDematagodablimey, I never knew14:10
oswaldkelsoyes14:10
ubuntugeekssam was never a mod14:11
oswaldkelsohe still is, He raise the subject on the agenda14:11
ubuntugeekSelf appointed maybe, but he has no moderator privileges on the forums.14:12
oswaldkelsowell forum admin ot what ever you call it. I'm not sure of the terminoligy14:12
PmDematagodaoswaldkelso, ssam isnt an admin14:12
PmDematagodathat I am sure14:12
oswaldkelsorep then. the ppc voice14:12
Technovikingoswaldkelso: ssam is just a regular forum user on ubuntuforums.org14:12
PmDematagodaoswaldkelso, just give the prefixes some time and justice14:13
oswaldkelsoWell if I'm wrong I stand corrected. But thats what I was lead to belive.14:13
ubuntugeekyep, like I said we'll re-discuss it in a couple months14:13
PmDematagodaoh and u-g14:15
ubuntugeekYep14:15
PmDematagodais there a possibility that the search system can extend throughout the whole forum?14:15
oswaldkelsoI seem to me ( and other ppc users) the Ubuntu is trying to kill off anything to do with ppc. Some of the earlier comments can only lead to that asumption also.14:15
PmDematagodafor now, we can't search either through the Jail or OPP14:15
PmDematagodaand that is a bit of a disadvantage14:15
PmDematagodaoswaldkelso, Apple has killed off PPC14:16
PmDematagodawho else is there?14:16
Technovikingoswaldkelso: We are not trying to kill it off, CAn you today make a post about PPC on the forums?14:17
ubuntugeekUbuntu forums is not trying to kill off anything... There is simply not enough PPC traffic to warrant a separate section when we have tools like tags/prefixes. We made  a decsion and will be trying it for a couple months.14:17
persiaSony?14:17
oswaldkelsoIt has nothing to do with apple ppc is more than apple. There are lots of powerpc hardware still being made and people want to run linux on it.14:18
Technovikingoswaldkelso: I appreciate your passion for PPC, but a decision has been made. We will look again in a couple of months14:19
oswaldkelsoSony yes Xbox millions of new machines14:19
ubuntugeekOur next meeting with be scheduled on June 14th, at 14:30 UTC.14:19
ubuntugeekthanks for coming everyone!14:19
Technovikingthanks14:19
ubuntugeek /end meeting14:20
bapoumbaThanks :)14:20
oswaldkelsoWhat about my motion it's on the agenda but not been discussed yet.14:20
Technovikingisn't PowerPC ports the same thing?14:21
oswaldkelsoNo14:22
oswaldkelsossam motion was about the merging of ppc and mac-tel.14:22
Technovikingoswaldkelso: the forums servers are under extreme load14:23
ubuntugeekoswal: We are not adding any other categories at this time that are not related to ubuntu14:23
oswaldkelsoMine is about an architecture specific forum ( which could include ubuntu ppc) but distro free Debian Slackintosh Fedora anything that runs on PPC14:24
ubuntugeekI understand that, but unless its 100% ubuntu related we are not adding new categories right now for anyone.14:25
Technovikingoswaldkelso: I have a suggestion14:25
oswaldkelsoThe problems of succsess. Says who14:25
oswaldkelsoI'm all ears14:26
Technovikingoswaldkelso: I would take this passion for PPC and start building a community behind it14:26
Technovikingoswaldkelso: where do you think Kubuntu, xubuntu, etc.. come from :)14:26
ubuntugeekMike, +114:27
Technovikingoswaldkelso: There is nothing wrong with our decision. but that does not stop you from doing your own thing14:27
PmDematagodawell, Im off to watch some movies14:28
ubuntugeekSee ya PM14:28
Technovikingoswaldkelso: We have to do what is best for the whole Ubuntu community, not just PPC14:28
PmDematagodaand Technoviking, hot fuzz is great14:28
PmDematagodasee ya u-g:)14:28
Technovikingoswaldkelso: people building new community and areas of interest is what make Ubuntu great14:29
Technovikinglater all off to drink lots of Coffee14:31
PmDematagodalol14:31
ubuntugeekWell our time is up for this month.. thanks everyone14:31
PmDematagodahave fun Mike14:31
PmDematagoda:D14:31
ubuntugeek /end meeting 2nd time14:31
PmDematagodalol14:31
ubuntugeekThanks all!14:31
PmDematagodasee ya everyone14:31
PmDematagodawill this ever end?14:31
PmDematagoda:D14:31
bapoumbaBye everyone :)14:32
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xhhuxhello?20:45
nathangrubbthe meeting is still 5 hours ahead20:45
xhhuxhow bout now?20:46
nathangrubbnope, still 5 more hours20:46
xhhuxhmm.. better wit a few more seconds and then see20:46
xhhux...20:46
xhhux...20:46
xhhux..20:46
xhhuxhow bout now?20:46
ace_suaresare we there yet ?20:50
nathangrubbno20:50

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