[01:27] <Technoviking> evening all
[07:58] <nickellery> @schedule Vancouver
[08:41] <leoquant> @schedule amsterdam
[12:49] <PmDematagoda> 'lo bapoumba
[12:49] <PmDematagoda> guess what
[12:49] <bapoumba> hey PmDematagoda :)
[12:49] <bapoumba> What ?
[12:50] <PmDematagoda> no meeting......yet
[12:50] <PmDematagoda> :P
[12:50] <bapoumba> well, it's in half hour
[12:50] <bapoumba> 40 MINS
[12:50] <PmDematagoda> huh?
[12:50] <bapoumba> yes
[12:50] <PmDematagoda> but Lodon is 12:40ish
[12:50] <PmDematagoda> London
[12:50] <bapoumba> Hmm
[12:50] <stdin> UK is on BST, not GMT
[12:51] <PmDematagoda> bapoumba, can you give me the co-ordinates of the UTC time zone?
[12:51] <PmDematagoda> oh yeah
[12:51] <PmDematagoda> stdin, you're right
[12:51] <bapoumba> I now there is a command in the channels for that
[12:51] <bapoumba> testing:
[12:51] <bapoumba> !time
[12:51] <bapoumba> time!
[12:51] <PmDematagoda> lol
[12:51] <stdin> no bot atm
[12:51] <PmDematagoda> you need a ! I believe
[12:51] <PmDematagoda> or /time
[12:52] <bapoumba> ah okay, thanks stdin
[12:52] <stdin> 'date -u' in a shell will show time in UTC
[12:52] <PmDematagoda> cool
[12:52] <PmDematagoda> thanks stdin
[12:52] <stdin> :)
[12:52] <PmDematagoda> it's 11:52
[12:53] <PmDematagoda> stdin, do you know how to show that on the GNOME clock applet?
[12:53] <stdin> nope, I use KDE ;)
[12:53] <PmDematagoda> lol
[12:53] <bapoumba> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ PmDematagoda
[12:53] <PmDematagoda> ah
[12:53] <PmDematagoda> thanks baps
[12:53] <bapoumba> welcome :)
[12:54] <PmDematagoda> ai
[12:54] <PmDematagoda> Great Britain/United Kingdom is one hour ahead of UTC during summer.
[12:54] <PmDematagoda> there's the explanation why GB time was wrong
[12:54] <PmDematagoda> atleast for me
[12:54] <bapoumba> yes, and I'm UTC +2
[12:54] <bapoumba> (my kids are hating me once again ^^)
[12:54] <PmDematagoda> I need to find a place directly under UTC
[12:54] <PmDematagoda> or something
[12:55] <PmDematagoda> bapoumba, jdong was very happy when I relayed your words to him
[12:55] <PmDematagoda> :D
[12:55] <bapoumba> Hehe :)
[12:56] <PmDematagoda> damn
[12:56] <PmDematagoda> just cant get UTC
[12:56] <PmDematagoda> :(
[12:59] <persia> PmDematagoda: Togo.  Specifically, Lome, Togo.
[12:59] <PmDematagoda> cool
[12:59] <PmDematagoda> excellent
[12:59] <PmDematagoda> thanks persia
[13:17] <PmDematagoda> hey u-g
[13:17] <PmDematagoda> quite early today
[13:17] <PmDematagoda> ;)
[13:19] <ubuntugeek> Hello
[13:20] <PmDematagoda> 'lo
[13:21] <Technoviking> morning
[13:22] <PmDematagoda> evening
[13:22] <emma> Good morning.
[13:22] <bapoumba> hello ubuntugeek :)
[13:22] <emma> I think I might go and see if I can get outside.
[13:22] <emma> Hello!
[13:22] <bapoumba> hello emma !
[13:22] <emma> oh i thought you were calling me an ubuntugeek lol
[13:23] <bapoumba> NP, emma, and it's nice and sunny outside :)
[13:23] <PmDematagoda> lol
[13:23] <PmDematagoda> complete opposite here
[13:23] <PmDematagoda> been raining all day
[13:24] <emma> Oh dear. I'm quite sorry to everyone. I thought I was in ##linux. That's where I usually see PmDematagoda
[13:24] <PmDematagoda> lol
[13:24] <PmDematagoda> emma, dont you mean #ubuntuforums?
[13:24] <emma> I hope I am not interrupting a meeting.
[13:24] <PmDematagoda> not at all
[13:24] <PmDematagoda> it didnt start yet
[13:24] <bapoumba> not yet emma
[13:24] <PmDematagoda> :)
[13:24] <emma> PmDematagoda: I'm not sure but I thought I was in a different channel since I saw your nick.
[13:25] <PmDematagoda> emma, lol, am I that famous
[13:25] <emma> (phew!)
[13:25]  * PmDematagoda swells in pride
[13:25] <PmDematagoda> :D
[13:25] <ubuntugeek> :)
[13:25] <bapoumba> Hello Mike (sorry, did not see you coming in :))
[13:26] <PmDematagoda> hey Technoviking(Mike):)
[13:27] <Technoviking> bapoumba: it is my ninja training
[13:27] <bapoumba> Must be Technoviking ^^
[13:27] <PmDematagoda> lol
[13:27] <bapoumba> Or my poor attention ..
[13:28] <PmDematagoda> that too can be the cause.........
[13:28]  * PmDematagoda ducks
[13:28]  * bapoumba keeps eyes wide open when it comes to PmDematagoda 
[13:28] <PmDematagoda> :D
[13:28] <PmDematagoda> you cerebrum isnt functioning properly baps
[13:29]  * bapoumba getting old..
[13:29] <PmDematagoda> lol
[13:29] <PmDematagoda> I suppose you know enough bio to know what it means
[13:29] <PmDematagoda> :)
[13:29] <bapoumba> one day you'll understand, PmDematagoda :D
[13:29] <PmDematagoda> :P
[13:29] <ubuntugeek> We'll start in a couple minutes
[13:30] <bapoumba> oki
[13:30] <PmDematagoda> according to my time, there's one minute remaining
[13:30] <ubuntugeek> 0 minutes :)
[13:30] <PmDematagoda> yep
[13:30] <PmDematagoda> same here
[13:30] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, keeping time snyced to an NTP?
[13:30] <ubuntugeek> Aye.
[13:31] <PmDematagoda> ntp.ubuntu.com I suppose
[13:32] <ubuntugeek> Lets discuss the Apple/Inte/PPC forum. Originally this was split because there wasn't enough traffic to warrant (2) forums. Putting them together with the and using tagging and prefixes seemed the way to go. The prefixes only specified the actually version leaving it up to the user to put in the tag for Intel or PPC.
[13:33] <PmDematagoda> PPC usage is rather low
[13:33] <PmDematagoda> so that can be justified
[13:33] <PmDematagoda> all Macs coming out nowadays are Intel arent they?
[13:33] <Technoviking> i think prefixes is the way to go
[13:33] <ubuntugeek> Yeah Intel only
[13:33] <PmDematagoda> yep
[13:34] <PmDematagoda> then we can eventually phase out PPC
[13:34] <ubuntugeek> I think the PPC user selection is low enough that they can specify a tag stating PPC or Intel. Thoughts?
[13:34] <PmDematagoda> yeppers
[13:34] <PmDematagoda> prefixes are simple enough
[13:35] <PmDematagoda> they are visible enough
[13:35] <PmDematagoda> that should be enough to make people happy
[13:35] <ubuntugeek> Currently our prefixes are shared among all categories, if we wanted to split them by PPC/Intel inside the apple forum it would require a new set be created. And would look pretty nasty with 10+ to choose from.
[13:35] <Technoviking> one question, could we go a step further and merge all the architecture forums i386,amd64, ppc, lpia (mobile), sparc into one and use prefixes? or would that just piss people off
[13:36] <PmDematagoda> Technoviking, is there a lot of activity on all of them?
[13:36] <bapoumba> regarding Apple forum, one is enough. The UF tree is already quite complicated :)
[13:36] <PmDematagoda> i386 and amd64 are obviously active
[13:36] <ubuntugeek> Mike, well the problem with that is.. Currently we don't have any platform specificed in the prefix, just the distro. Tags should be used for the platform but it requires the user to do that right now.
[13:37] <oswaldkelso> As a ppc user I can say that the removal of  ubuntu ppc and merging it with mac-tel has not been welcome by either set of users.
[13:37] <ubuntugeek> I can't imagine choosing from a list of 30+ prefixes trying to find the one i want.
[13:37] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, very good point
[13:37] <bapoumba> ubuntugeek, +1
[13:37] <PmDematagoda> I wouldnt do that either
[13:37] <Technoviking> agreed
[13:37] <bapoumba> what about Kubuntu on and64 ?
[13:38] <bapoumba> it would require more than one prefix
[13:38] <ubuntugeek> Perhaps we can look at ways to improve the tags and make them into a dropdown like the prefixes.
[13:38] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, tags?
[13:38] <PmDematagoda> that may become messy
[13:38] <bapoumba> can we limit the tags like the prefixes ?
[13:38] <bapoumba> only a list to choose from ?
[13:38] <PmDematagoda> some/most people may not even bother if there are a lot of prefixes/tags
[13:39] <ubuntugeek> You can search by tags and tags now show next to forum title. Its rather simple if someone put 686, PPC, etc in the tag
[13:39] <bapoumba> and no new ones ? (that would solve the nasty tags)
[13:39] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, people will take sometime to get used to that
[13:40] <PmDematagoda> and newbs will find that hard
[13:40] <PmDematagoda> we must give an introduction to newbies
[13:40] <ubuntugeek> Lets put it this way, prefixes are pre-defined and the user must choose one. Ubuntu, kubuntu etc its rather simple. Tags however require user input, its about educating them to use the feature. We can add verbage on the posting page to help facilitate this.
[13:40] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, exactly
[13:41] <bapoumba> PmDematagoda, any feature is difficult to users ^^
[13:41] <ubuntugeek> Moving the tag entry box under the subject line from the bottom of the post box would be the first step with verbage.
[13:42] <bapoumba> (along with the infraction button, but that's another story..)
[13:42] <ubuntugeek> :)
[13:43] <bapoumba> I guess the amd64 arch will loose more visibility than any other in this process
[13:43] <PmDematagoda> amd64 is getting importance
[13:43] <PmDematagoda> and it is getting better
[13:43] <PmDematagoda> amd64 must get the same significance as i386 is
[13:43] <ubuntugeek> I think as the forum evolves we'll probably merge some forums the apple forum was the first one. Let's make some changes to the tag entry box and add verbage to the posting template to help educate users to use the feature. We can also add a tag cloud to the category so the tags are more visible.
[13:43] <PmDematagoda> that would work
[13:44] <bapoumba> category ?
[13:44] <Technoviking> ubuntugeek: +1
[13:44] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, what about giving some more prominence to the help on forums features sticky?
[13:44] <ubuntugeek> baps, for example http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=328 under the description add a tag cloud
[13:44] <PmDematagoda> if we do, then newbies can read it and they can find UF more easier to use
[13:45] <ubuntugeek> Well, I am working on something for new users :) its about 40% done.. I think you'll like it :)
[13:45] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, excellent
[13:45] <bapoumba> Ah okay ubuntugeek, +1
[13:45] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, care to give a preview of what it'll be?
[13:45] <ubuntugeek> :P
[13:45] <PmDematagoda> :D
[13:46] <bapoumba> I know PmDematagoda, you get to talk to each new user :)
[13:46] <bapoumba> personally, one by one
[13:46] <ubuntugeek> Mike, looks like we'll give this a try and discuss it in a later meeting to determine how well its working? Agree?
[13:46] <PmDematagoda> bapoumba, dont be jealous because I have all the luck
[13:46] <PmDematagoda> :P
[13:48] <Technoviking> ubuntugeek: agreed
[13:48] <ubuntugeek> k
[13:48] <ubuntugeek> It's not in the agenda but lets discuss social groups really quick.
[13:48] <PmDematagoda> ah
[13:48] <PmDematagoda> so what's going to be done u-g?
[13:49] <bapoumba> they need to be watched more closely
[13:49] <ubuntugeek> A few weeks ago I mentioned some ideas for social groups. Those being the following: 1) social groups need to be applied for 2) they need to be ubuntu/forum related
[13:50] <PmDematagoda> I agree with those points
[13:50] <bapoumba> +1
[13:51] <ubuntugeek> With that said, I'd like to propose that we implement those policies and remove the current social groups that don't fall into this spec. Of course letting the group owners know before hand.
[13:51] <ubuntugeek> Social Groups have sorta turned into a black hole..
[13:51] <PmDematagoda> agreed
[13:51] <bapoumba> +1
[13:52] <bapoumba> and may be also remove the ones that are incative after a certain time
[13:52] <bapoumba> (one mont or so ?)
[13:52] <bapoumba> *month
[13:52] <PmDematagoda> not one month
[13:52] <PmDematagoda> its a bit too short
[13:52] <PmDematagoda> let's have it at 3
[13:52] <Technoviking> 3-6 months
[13:52] <ubuntugeek> Probably 3-4 months would be good
[13:52] <bapoumba> okay
[13:52] <ubuntugeek> 3-6 is good too
[13:53] <PmDematagoda> yeah
[13:53] <ubuntugeek> +1 on this from me
[13:53] <bapoumba> +1
[13:53] <Technoviking> ask at 3, close at 6 if nothing has changed
[13:53] <Technoviking> +1
[13:53] <ubuntugeek> Mike, perfect
[13:53] <PmDematagoda> Technoviking, let's close at 4
[13:53] <PmDematagoda> 1 month is more than enough
[13:54] <PmDematagoda> for the owner to make an appearance and give his opinion
[13:54] <PmDematagoda> what do you think?
[13:54] <ubuntugeek> PM, lets see how it goes
[13:54] <PmDematagoda> ok
[13:55] <ubuntugeek> Is Graham Otte (xhhux) here to discuss his item?
[13:55] <PmDematagoda> what?
[13:55] <Technoviking> ubuntugeek: have not seen him
[13:55] <PmDematagoda> did he actually want to contest his ban?
[13:55] <ubuntugeek> Yes
[13:55] <PmDematagoda> oook
[13:56] <ubuntugeek> Well, lets discuss it Mike. I think we've discussed it enough on the list and lets just make the facts know in public why he was banned.
[13:56] <Technoviking> let get it on the record
[13:56] <Technoviking> ubuntugeek: +1
[13:56] <ubuntugeek> Xhhux also shares accounts with multiple other users who have infractions for one reason or another
[13:57] <ubuntugeek> All the email accounts on these accounts are very similiar, he claims it wasn't him doing it.
[13:57] <ubuntugeek> He was banned and we reversed the ban once, only to find within the hour he was logging into multiple accounts again
[13:58] <ubuntugeek> We banned him again
[13:58] <PmDematagoda> so he knew what he was doing
[13:58] <bapoumba> is he the one going with pchandler nicks too ?
[13:58] <PmDematagoda> bapoumba, pchandler?
[13:58] <ubuntugeek> He disputed it and we (the FC) decided to keep the ban in tact this time
[13:59] <ubuntugeek> And here we are today.. Its the general consensus of the FC to leave the perm ban at this time.
[13:59] <PmDematagoda> ubuntugeek, what he did was more than enough to have even a respected member banned
[13:59] <PmDematagoda> so what kind of reason can he have?
[13:59] <PmDematagoda> unless he wants to put something over us
[13:59] <Technoviking> ubuntugeek: +1, he was given a second chance and chose not to make the best of it
[14:00] <ubuntugeek> Mike, +1 also matthew was unable to attend today meeting but shared the same thoughts as us on the FC list.
[14:00] <ubuntugeek> We will leave the account banned at this time
[14:00] <ubuntugeek> +1
[14:00] <bapoumba> fine with me
[14:01] <PmDematagoda> +1 here as well
[14:02] <ubuntugeek> Mike?
[14:03] <Technoviking> +1 from me, he can take it to the CC if he wants, but it is a clear cut case
[14:03] <ubuntugeek> Yep
[14:03] <ubuntugeek> Does anyone have anything else?
[14:03] <bapoumba> I think he has a currently active account
[14:03]  * bapoumba checking
[14:03] <PmDematagoda> bapoumba, are you referring to the linsux thing?
[14:04] <ubuntugeek> baps ok we'll need to look into that
[14:04] <Technoviking> nope, other than can we move the meetings to 14:30 next time, it is 6:30 AM in Salt Lake :)
[14:04] <PmDematagoda> :D
[14:04] <ubuntugeek> Mike, no way lol
[14:04] <ubuntugeek> Yeah 14:30 is fine
[14:04] <Technoviking> 6:30 AM Saturday = evil
[14:04] <ubuntugeek> We'll I am evil :)
[14:04] <PmDematagoda> :P
[14:05] <bapoumba> Mike, my kids are waiting to go get new shoes ^^
[14:05] <ubuntugeek> I'll request the next meeting to be at 14:30 mike
[14:05] <bapoumba> 2:30 PM saturday = evil too ;)
[14:05] <Technoviking> bapoumba: have fun
[14:05] <PmDematagoda> 14:30 is cool
[14:05] <ubuntugeek> Anything else?
[14:05] <bapoumba> fine with me too
[14:06] <Technoviking> none here
[14:06] <PmDematagoda> do we need to do a clean up of the announcements?
[14:06] <ubuntugeek> PM, on the frontpage?
[14:06] <PmDematagoda> yeppers
[14:06] <ubuntugeek> Yeah
[14:06] <ubuntugeek> Going to get to that today
[14:06] <PmDematagoda> cool
[14:06] <PmDematagoda> :)
[14:07] <PmDematagoda> and Unix_Slayer sent me a PM today
[14:07] <oswaldkelso> Could we go bacjk to the ppc issues as they seem to have been ridden over rough shod. There was no consultation as to the merging of mac-tel and ppc low usage or not. Tags suck.
[14:07] <PmDematagoda> oswaldkelso, what use is maintaining a forum section that is going to die out anyway?
[14:07] <ubuntugeek> oswal: We are going to try our implementation and bring it back to the agenda in a couple months for discussion .
[14:08] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: What else to say? Prefixes are a good solution?
[14:08] <oswaldkelso> The majority of apple converts prefered the previous way with separate forums.
[14:09] <oswaldkelso> Even the ppc mod was not consulted about the change. Shocking behaviour
[14:09] <ubuntugeek> oswal: Things change, the forum changes. I think we'll see more merging in the future.
[14:09] <PmDematagoda> there was a PPC mod?
[14:09] <ubuntugeek> PPC Mod?
[14:09] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: I never liked the "Ubuntu" forums have two "Apple" areas
[14:09] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: Give prefixes a chance
[14:10] <PmDematagoda> oswaldkelso, prefixes are rather visible, and they also have a way of keeping things organised
[14:10] <oswaldkelso> ssam. he could'nt make it today but the maerge thread has been largly ignored, even thought ppc and mac-tel hat it
[14:10] <oswaldkelso> ~hate
[14:10] <PmDematagoda> was ssam a PPC mod?
[14:10] <PmDematagoda> blimey, I never knew
[14:10] <oswaldkelso> yes
[14:11] <ubuntugeek> ssam was never a mod
[14:11] <oswaldkelso> he still is, He raise the subject on the agenda
[14:12] <ubuntugeek> Self appointed maybe, but he has no moderator privileges on the forums.
[14:12] <oswaldkelso> well forum admin ot what ever you call it. I'm not sure of the terminoligy
[14:12] <PmDematagoda> oswaldkelso, ssam isnt an admin
[14:12] <PmDematagoda> that I am sure
[14:12] <oswaldkelso> rep then. the ppc voice
[14:12] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: ssam is just a regular forum user on ubuntuforums.org
[14:13] <PmDematagoda> oswaldkelso, just give the prefixes some time and justice
[14:13] <oswaldkelso> Well if I'm wrong I stand corrected. But thats what I was lead to belive.
[14:13] <ubuntugeek> yep, like I said we'll re-discuss it in a couple months
[14:15] <PmDematagoda> oh and u-g
[14:15] <ubuntugeek> Yep
[14:15] <PmDematagoda> is there a possibility that the search system can extend throughout the whole forum?
[14:15] <oswaldkelso> I seem to me ( and other ppc users) the Ubuntu is trying to kill off anything to do with ppc. Some of the earlier comments can only lead to that asumption also.
[14:15] <PmDematagoda> for now, we can't search either through the Jail or OPP
[14:15] <PmDematagoda> and that is a bit of a disadvantage
[14:16] <PmDematagoda> oswaldkelso, Apple has killed off PPC
[14:16] <PmDematagoda> who else is there?
[14:17] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: We are not trying to kill it off, CAn you today make a post about PPC on the forums?
[14:17] <ubuntugeek> Ubuntu forums is not trying to kill off anything... There is simply not enough PPC traffic to warrant a separate section when we have tools like tags/prefixes. We made  a decsion and will be trying it for a couple months.
[14:17] <persia> Sony?
[14:18] <oswaldkelso> It has nothing to do with apple ppc is more than apple. There are lots of powerpc hardware still being made and people want to run linux on it.
[14:19] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: I appreciate your passion for PPC, but a decision has been made. We will look again in a couple of months
[14:19] <oswaldkelso> Sony yes Xbox millions of new machines
[14:19] <ubuntugeek> Our next meeting with be scheduled on June 14th, at 14:30 UTC.
[14:19] <ubuntugeek> thanks for coming everyone!
[14:19] <Technoviking> thanks
[14:20] <ubuntugeek>  /end meeting
[14:20] <bapoumba> Thanks :)
[14:20] <oswaldkelso> What about my motion it's on the agenda but not been discussed yet.
[14:21] <Technoviking> isn't PowerPC ports the same thing?
[14:22] <oswaldkelso> No
[14:22] <oswaldkelso> ssam motion was about the merging of ppc and mac-tel.
[14:23] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: the forums servers are under extreme load
[14:23] <ubuntugeek> oswal: We are not adding any other categories at this time that are not related to ubuntu
[14:24] <oswaldkelso> Mine is about an architecture specific forum ( which could include ubuntu ppc) but distro free Debian Slackintosh Fedora anything that runs on PPC
[14:25] <ubuntugeek> I understand that, but unless its 100% ubuntu related we are not adding new categories right now for anyone.
[14:25] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: I have a suggestion
[14:25] <oswaldkelso> The problems of succsess. Says who
[14:26] <oswaldkelso> I'm all ears
[14:26] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: I would take this passion for PPC and start building a community behind it
[14:26] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: where do you think Kubuntu, xubuntu, etc.. come from :)
[14:27] <ubuntugeek> Mike, +1
[14:27] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: There is nothing wrong with our decision. but that does not stop you from doing your own thing
[14:28] <PmDematagoda> well, Im off to watch some movies
[14:28] <ubuntugeek> See ya PM
[14:28] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: We have to do what is best for the whole Ubuntu community, not just PPC
[14:28] <PmDematagoda> and Technoviking, hot fuzz is great
[14:28] <PmDematagoda> see ya u-g:)
[14:29] <Technoviking> oswaldkelso: people building new community and areas of interest is what make Ubuntu great
[14:31] <Technoviking> later all off to drink lots of Coffee
[14:31] <PmDematagoda> lol
[14:31] <ubuntugeek> Well our time is up for this month.. thanks everyone
[14:31] <PmDematagoda> have fun Mike
[14:31] <PmDematagoda> :D
[14:31] <ubuntugeek>  /end meeting 2nd time
[14:31] <PmDematagoda> lol
[14:31] <ubuntugeek> Thanks all!
[14:31] <PmDematagoda> see ya everyone
[14:31] <PmDematagoda> will this ever end?
[14:31] <PmDematagoda> :D
[14:32] <bapoumba> Bye everyone :)
[20:45] <xhhux> hello?
[20:45] <nathangrubb> the meeting is still 5 hours ahead
[20:46] <xhhux> how bout now?
[20:46] <nathangrubb> nope, still 5 more hours
[20:46] <xhhux> hmm.. better wit a few more seconds and then see
[20:46] <xhhux> ...
[20:46] <xhhux> ...
[20:46] <xhhux> ..
[20:46] <xhhux> how bout now?
[20:50] <ace_suares> are we there yet ?
[20:50] <nathangrubb> no