[00:00] <DreadKnight> daskreech: lol
[00:00] <DreadKnight> that's rather sad actually xD
[00:01] <daskreech> Hey
[00:01] <daskreech> I loved being a shaman
[00:01] <DreadKnight> :D
[00:04] <DreadKnight> now it seems that konqueror-kde4 doesn't want to upgrade... oh well
[00:05] <daskreech> well mine crashes everytime I press back
[00:05] <daskreech> I don't like this CD :(
[00:06] <DreadKnight> that arora qt/webkit browser is very nice already
[00:09] <daskreech> I just need it to havea plugin system then have stumbleupon ported to it and I'll care
[00:09] <daskreech> though
[00:09] <daskreech> hopefully I can use KHTML :)
[00:13] <DreadKnight> stumbleupon seems interesting :)
[00:15] <daskreech> It's the awesomeness
[00:17] <DreadKnight> :F
[00:17] <DreadKnight> :D
[00:18] <daskreech> and they poopoo safari so .. hopefully we learn from that :)
[00:39] <DreadKnight> 4.1 doesn't installs atm xD
[00:50] <DreadKnight> i love the new crash window so far :-)
[00:50]  * nosrednaekim refrains from repeating what every other 4.1 hopee is asking
[00:57] <daskreech> nosrednaekim: is it here yet?
[00:58] <nosrednaekim> gaaah! :)
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> Haha, the packages work now
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> nice...
[01:27] <daskreech> ^_^
[01:27] <daskreech> nosrednaekim: is it here yet?
[01:29] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: they don't work for me... dependency issues
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> Somehow I got through it all
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> apparently not :P
[01:31] <daskreech> ;-)
[01:32] <DreadKnight> who is a motu or packager around here?
[01:32] <DreadKnight> does it needs my 'error logs' ?
[01:33] <DreadKnight> trying to help as i can :-)
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> I package stuff
[01:33] <DreadKnight> not sure how you manage installing it all xD
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> me either
[01:34] <DreadKnight> ţi putea să porniţi 'apt-get -f install' pentru a corecta acestea.
[01:34] <DreadKnight> Următoarele pachete au dependenţe neîndeplinite:
[01:34] <DreadKnight>   ksysguard-kde4: Depinde: kdebase-workspace-libs4+5 dar nu este instalat
[01:34] <DreadKnight>                   Depinde: libplasma2 dar nu este instalat
[01:34] <DreadKnight> E: Dependenţe neîndeplinite. Încercaţi să folosiţi -f.
[01:35] <DreadKnight> can't really set konsole to english ... no languages list displayed... heh
[01:35] <daskreech> !paste
[01:35] <DreadKnight> when there are more lines :P
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> It's depending on kdebase-workspace-libs4+5, but that package won't be installed?
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> Is that what the translation is?
[01:39] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: that and libplasma2
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> what happens if you try "sudo apt-get install libplasma2"
[01:39] <DreadKnight> tried that already
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> what does libplasma2 complain about?
[01:40] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/m45596e4c
[01:41] <DreadKnight> so libplasma2 depends on kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa2)
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> will that install ok?
[01:43] <DreadKnight> kde-workspace-data is in comflict with libplasma1
[01:43] <DreadKnight> kdebase*
[01:43] <DreadKnight> conflict*
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> Tried removing libplasma1?
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> libplasma2 will be replacing it so it'd be going away anyway
[01:44] <DreadKnight> it doesn't automatically removes, it upgrades i think
[01:44] <DreadKnight> hehe
[01:44] <DreadKnight> ok.. i'll try...
[01:45] <DreadKnight> so libplasma1 is marked for upgrade, libplasma2 for installation if i recall ...
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> what is libplasma1 trying to upgrade to
[01:47] <DreadKnight> i cant really manage to remove libplasma1 from konsole
[01:47] <DreadKnight> get the "use apt-get -f install" msg on and on
[01:47] <DreadKnight> ksysguard-kde4 is broken..
[01:48] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: now libplasma1 is marked for removal it seems
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> oh right, I had a bit of trouble with that too
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> ksysguard-kde4 wanted ksysguardd-kde4 too
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> (note the extra d)
[01:48] <DreadKnight> i know about it
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> now how did I deal with that
[01:49] <DreadKnight> konsole is so damn useless when upgrading for quite some time.. can't manage to install new packages when upgrading (as dependencies) with it
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> could I see the error message for ksysguard?
[01:50] <DreadKnight> adept gives error when preparing upgrade for kdebase-workspace-bin...
[01:51] <DreadKnight> ksysguard-kde4 depends on kdebase-workspace-libs4+5 and libplasma2
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> Ok
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> sudo apt-get remove libplasma1
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-data
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> That will remove libplasma1 and upgrade kdebase-workspace-data
[01:53] <JontheEchidna> you can then upgrade libplasma2
[01:53] <JontheEchidna> and that other kdebase-workspace one
[01:53] <DreadKnight> im trying
[01:54] <DreadKnight> ok... this is stupid
[01:57] <DreadKnight> ok, i'm on my way so far
[01:57]  * daskreech crosses his fingers and legs
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> I have snow on my desktop :o
[02:03] <daskreech> You keep your desk by an open window?
[02:04] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: i got the ksmserver error when trying to install kdebase-workspace-data
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[02:05] <gribelu> hmm? konqueror-kde4: Depends: kdebase-data (>= 4:4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa2) but 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.2 is installed.
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> ^most likely nixternal forgot to change it to kdebase-data-kde4
[02:06] <gribelu> damn it
[02:07] <DreadKnight> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop', which is also in package ksmserver
[02:07] <DreadKnight> ...
[02:07] <DreadKnight> same error as that dude smarter had
[02:09] <DreadKnight> shouldn't there be a session manager for kde4? :-)
[02:09] <DreadKnight> ksmserver-kde4 xD
[02:10] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: help xD
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> uh
[02:11] <DreadKnight> ksmserver issue :D
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> yeah, you could override dpkg and overwrite that file
[02:12]  * DreadKnight is a noob
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> I don't know if you want to though
[02:13] <JontheEchidna> because that's probably why I don't have a way to log in to KDE through the gui
[02:13] <DreadKnight> lol
[02:13] <DreadKnight> this needs to be taken care of
[02:14] <JontheEchidna> Hopefully nxiternal will return soon...
[02:14] <DreadKnight> yeah
[02:14] <DreadKnight> after a good night sleep :D
[02:15] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: how do you select the session when logging in without GUI ?
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> you would press crtl alt f1 to get you to a terminal
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> log in
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> then run startx
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> or startkde
[02:16] <DreadKnight> well, the problem when i do that is that i end up in kde3 (with startx)
[02:17] <DreadKnight> hmm
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> ah, right
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> hey... are the packages in?
[02:31] <JontheEchidna> sorta
[02:31] <JontheEchidna> I got lucky and forced them into submission, but you're looking at serious problems trying to install them
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> GOOD!
[02:32]  * DaSkreech has decided
[02:32]  * nosrednaekim goes to get them
[02:32] <DaSkreech> I will wait till post 4.0.5 to install 4.1
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> JontheEchidna:  the kde4 ppa, right?
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> right, the same one we used for Gutsy kde4 packages
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> ok... removing all my old kde4 packages
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> that should smooth things
[02:37] <DreadKnight> nosrednaekim: erm... my actuall problem is with a package used in kde3 as well i think
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> well, we shall see
[02:37]  * DreadKnight wishes you luck
[02:38] <DreadKnight> nosrednaekim: how do you manage to remove all kde4 packages in a simple matter?
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> DreadKnight: well, its not fool proof, but I searched "kde4" in adept, unchecked installabale packages and then removed in one swipe
[02:40] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: You know you can filter on installed packages right ?
[02:40] <DreadKnight> you would do more damage removing the base libraryes from the start
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: thats what I mean...
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> DreadKnight: true
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> yep... I see the problem
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> konqueror-kde4:
[02:42] <nosrednaekim>   Depends: kdebase-data (>=4:4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa2) but 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7 is to be installed
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> something wrong with that konqueror package
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's depending on the kde3 package instead of the kde4 one
[02:44] <DreadKnight> that's one problem
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> I gotta force it in :P
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> the PPA's are awful slow though
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> I'm going to DL overnight.
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> later...
[04:35] <fale> hello
[04:36] <DreadKnight> any packager alive?
[04:37] <DreadKnight> guess not
[04:38] <fale> DreadKnight: are you still guessing about when kde4.1beta will be ready?
[04:38]  * Hobbsee is vaguely alive, but doesn't do much kde stuff anymore
[04:39] <DreadKnight> fale: it's pretty much done; i'm guessing in less than 24h everything will be setled down :-)
[04:39] <fale> Hobbsee: I took the right one, before :D
[04:39] <fale> DreadKnight: I think the right thing to do is be calm and as soon as the devs will have the packages will write a news on kubuntu.org
[04:40] <fale> DreadKnight: and if you don't ask they will use less time to create the packages ;)
[04:40] <DreadKnight> fale: we're ... not on the same wave it seems
[04:41] <fale> DreadKnight: maybe
[04:42] <DreadKnight> Hobbsee: so you can take care of an dependency issue on 4.1beta by any chance? a typing error rather..
[04:42]  * DaSkreech pokes Hobbsee with the stiKK
[04:42] <DreadKnight> :D
[04:42]  * Hobbsee pokes DaSkreech back
[04:43] <DreadKnight> poke ... mon
[04:44] <DaSkreech> How are you Hobbsee ?
[04:44] <DaSkreech> other than perforated?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> dealing with some merges, finally
[04:51] <DaSkreech> hi manchicken
[04:52] <manchicken> Howdy
[04:53] <DaSkreech> how are you?
[06:39] <mornfall> Brekeke.
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Hi mornfall
[06:41] <mornfall> Morgen.
[06:46] <nixternal> oi
[06:47] <nixternal> oi
[06:51] <mornfall> yuriy: I have pushed a bunch of changes to Adept (and libept as well).
[06:51] <DaSkreech> :-D
[06:51]  * DaSkreech loves the adept
[06:52]  * nixternal loves the beer
[07:18] <nixternal> fixed kdebase and kdebase-workspace (workspace is finish up the builds right now)
[07:22]  * nixternal beds
[07:22]  * DaSkreech throws nixternal some (insert nixternal's shameful wants here)
[07:22] <nixternal> more beer?
[07:23] <DaSkreech> cd pub
[07:23] <DaSkreech> more beer
[07:23] <nixternal> if I get 1 more "any word on the kde4.1 packages" I am going to explode
[07:23] <DaSkreech> how about bytes ?
[07:23] <nixternal> I keep telling people, Word is in Microsoft, leave me alone :)
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Werd
[07:23] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:24] <nixternal> I will work on finishing the rest of them tomorrow, or today, whatever the heck it is
[07:24] <DaSkreech> as long as they come out before 4.0.5
[07:24] <nixternal> by about a day
[07:24] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[07:24] <nixternal> there is a ton of work between 4.0.4 and 4.0.80
[07:24] <DaSkreech> So people can break the computer nicely
[07:24] <nixternal> everything, and I mean everything, has pretty much changed everywhere
[07:24] <DaSkreech> then go back to 4.0 and get a nice update
[07:25] <DaSkreech> I know it's grand isn't it? :)
[07:25] <nixternal> cdbs, control, *.install, *.installgen, patches/, rules, and then some
[07:25] <DaSkreech> Well
[07:25] <DaSkreech> not for you
[07:25] <DaSkreech> but ... for !nixternal
[07:25] <nixternal> it isn't to bad actually, I am just tired of the impatient
[07:26] <nixternal> tomorrow if anyone wants to help, speak up and we will work out some sharing love...but be warned, there is an ass ton to be done
[07:26] <nixternal> the rest should be fairly easy, but kdebase* was a pita
[07:27] <DaSkreech> I don't have a ton of ass :(
[07:27] <nixternal> I feel like it
[07:27]  * DaSkreech hugs nixternal 
[07:27] <nixternal> I went out to my brothers house...he had a bonfire for the kids, so we cooked some hotdogs, smores, and then some...drink, drank, drunk
[07:28] <nixternal> I needed to get out..or risk blowing up my laptop
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Food and Liquor
[07:30] <nixternal> man, I never realised just how good a smore really is
[07:30] <nixternal> or a hotdog over an open fire
[07:31] <nixternal> oh well...I am going to bed for real this time
[07:31] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:32] <DaSkreech> night
[07:33] <Gnuton> hi
[10:07] <uga> anyone can tell why there are two separate ssh2 lib packages?
[10:07] <uga> libssh-2, and libssh2-1
[10:08] <uga> one says "A tiny C ssh library" and the other "ssh2 client-side library", but I believe both are same stuff
[10:08] <kuroryuu> uga: ones more compact?
[10:09] <uga> could be, I wonder why they don't point to the project urls or something =(
[10:09] <uga> or have in the name libtinyssh or so
[10:09] <uga> the "-1" doesn't really help
[10:10] <kuroryuu> uga: apt-cache show libssh-2
[10:10] <uga> uh-oh... so the -1 isn't coming from the standard repos?
[10:10] <uga> thanks, that may explain
[10:11] <uga> kuroryuu: is there a way to ask apt-cache what repository it found the package in?
[10:11] <kuroryuu> uga: says in the show output
[10:11] <kuroryuu> both are in universe apparently
[10:15] <uga> yes, it's confusing. I wonder if it's related to the later ssl changes
[10:16] <uga> kuroryuu: hehe, I think I figured out =)
[10:16] <uga> libssh-2, if I'm not wrong, is SSH
[10:17] <uga> while libssh2-1, SSH2
[10:18] <kuroryuu> I think they're just different implementations
[10:18] <kuroryuu> the libssh-2 website says it's version 0.2
[10:18] <uga> yes, and it never mentions ssh2
[10:19] <kuroryuu> on the site it also says ssh1 is supported, but disabled by default or somesuch
[10:19] <uga> kuroryuu: "current release changes" SSH-1 support (disabled by default)
[10:19] <uga> lol
[10:19] <uga> yes
[10:20] <uga> it sounds like I need libssh2-1 pack
[10:20] <uga> thanks
[10:20] <uga> ah no, silly
[10:20] <uga> the same url says "SSH2 and SSH1 protocol compliant"
[10:20] <uga> kuroryuu: I think I'll go nuts =)
[10:20] <kuroryuu> uga: sounds like a plan, lol
[10:21] <uga> maybe I should ask in #ubuntu-devel? =)
[10:21] <kuroryuu> wouldn't hurt
[10:47] <uga> kuroryuu:
[10:47] <uga> [11:43] <pusling> uga: the first one is libssh2 soname1 and the other one is libssh soname2
[10:47] <uga> [11:43] <pusling> uga: I guess you should blame the upstreams of those two difeferent projects for choosing so similar names ;)
[10:47] <uga> ubuntu-devel guys are clueless, and not too friendly I'd say ;)
[10:48] <uga> they pointed me to leave and go debian, when I pasted some debian urls
[10:48] <uga> (becuase packages.ubuntu.com is down)
[10:48] <uga> the packages were inherited from debian
[10:48] <uga> thankfully #kde-devel guys are friendlier ;)
[10:48] <kuroryuu> yeah
[10:49] <uga> it seem they are two separate projects with unfortuantely too similar names
[10:49] <Hobbsee> uga: you can't really blame them for not being there on a weekend, surely.
[10:49] <uga> no, I was blaming them for inviting me to leave the channel and go #debian ;)
[10:49] <uga> without even checking the packages I was referring to belong to ubuntu
[10:50] <uga> what could I do if packages.ubuntu.com is down ;)
[10:50] <Hobbsee> uga: you were lucky to get an answer at all.  anyone could be giving out answers.
[10:50] <Hobbsee> uga: that guy happens to be a contributor to universe.  only.
[10:50] <uga> heh
[10:50] <kuroryuu> well if the packages are straight from debian you could ask in #debian, just don't mention ubuntu, lol, they hate that
[10:51] <Hobbsee> uga: it's unwise to blame an entire team on one guy's response, *especially* if you have no idea if he's actually involved in the project or not.
[10:51] <uga> ok ok ok =)
[10:53] <Hobbsee> uga: unless you want to get attributed as "just another clueless user shooting his mouth off"
[10:53] <Hobbsee> or something
[10:55] <uga> Hobbsee: oh, that'd be a nicer adjective than one gets from debian devels at least =)
[10:56] <kuroryuu> one of the reasons I always liked gentoo better than debian though was this exact issue
[10:56] <kuroryuu> portage had better package names
[10:57] <uga> hey, but debian always releases new packages earlier
[10:57] <uga> see kdelibs5 already there!
[10:58] <kuroryuu> before portage you mean?
[10:58] <uga> yps
[10:58] <uga> yups
[10:58] <uga> I doubt you'll find kdelibs_5_ in portage
[10:58] <uga> maybe 4, but 5... =)
[10:59] <kuroryuu> portage builds from source, all you need is an ebuild and the moment it's released onto an ftp site somewhere you can install
[10:59] <uga> kuroryuu: lol, you aren't getting it
[10:59] <kuroryuu> apparently not, lol
[10:59] <uga> kdelibs5 in debian/kubuntu == kdelibs_4_ in gentoo =)
[11:00] <uga> stupid naming conventions in debian ;)
[11:00] <kuroryuu> ah, I see
[11:00] <kuroryuu> haven't really been paying as much attention to gentoo lately
[11:00] <uga> gentoo uses logical naming. it's kde4 so kdelibs_4
[11:00] <uga> but debian uses so versions, which is version 5
[11:01] <kuroryuu> I see
[11:01] <uga> that confuses a lot of users when they claim sometimes they installed kde5 =)
[11:01] <kuroryuu> lmao
[11:02] <kuroryuu> I love debian so, but I always have problems with their package naming, not to mention a lot of the apt commands are a bit cryptic at times
[11:02] <kuroryuu> in gentoo, emerge to install, emerge -s to search package name, emerge -S to search package description, emerge -u to update :P
[11:03] <kuroryuu> and the basic search lists version numbers, haven't figured out how to just get version numbers in apt without all the extra info they slap into apt-cache show
[11:04] <kuroryuu> besides grep Version :P lol
[11:08] <uga> heh
[11:14] <kuroryuu> is there a way to customize apt-cache search's output?
[12:04] <harolddong> when are the 4.1 beta packages going to be available?
[12:07] <seezer> harolddong: don't ask that or nixternal will eat you :)
[12:21] <wolfger> ... didn't we just get that update the other day?
[12:35] <nosrednaekim> whhooo! that konqueror-kde4 dep problem was fixed thanks whoever did that :P
[13:14]  * jussi01 should go report a konq-kde4 bug sometime... been a bit lazy recently though
[13:16] <nosrednaekim> jussi01: today is bug day IIRC
[13:16] <nosrednaekim> fo konqueror
[13:16] <jussi01> nosrednaekim: oh really? perhaps I should go tell them to fix the fact that kde4 konq doesnt open the full path in konsole when you hit f4
[13:17] <jussi01> nosrednaekim: can you confirm that for me?
[13:17] <nosrednaekim> nope
[13:17] <nosrednaekim> I just uninstalled all of 4.0.3 in preparation for 4.1 :P
[13:17] <jussi01> oh
[13:18] <jussi01> ok then. anyone else around that can test/confirm?
[13:25] <gribelu> jussi01: so what you mean is: open folder in konq -> hit f4 -> check path?
[13:25] <jussi01> gribelu: correct
[13:26] <gribelu> ya.. always goes to ~
[13:26] <gribelu> at least for me
[13:26] <jussi01> ok, Im off for a bit, Ill see answers when I get back
[13:26] <gribelu> using 4.0.80 :p
[13:26] <nosrednaekim> gribelu: from the PPA?
[13:26] <gribelu> yes
[13:26] <nosrednaekim> I'm try to get it now.... so awful slow :(
[13:27] <gribelu> i had many dependency issues while installing
[13:27] <gribelu> had to dpkg -i many of the packages
[13:27] <gribelu> --force-all too :)
[13:27] <nosrednaekim> :)
[13:28] <gribelu> then again i had kde 4.0.4 installed, and kde3
[13:28] <gribelu> some packages install manuals in the same location as kde3
[16:19] <santiago-ve> nixternal, ping
[16:34] <nixternal> santiago-ve: pong?
[16:37] <santiago-ve> nixternal, who's the person in charge of the website (kubuntu.org)
[16:38] <santiago-ve> i wanna halp :p
[16:38] <gnomefreak> santiago-ve: nixternal and or Riddell and or doc team
[16:38] <DreadKnight> nixternal: i'm on 4.1b; had to remove ksmserver and home & root directories are sort of swapped/messed up...
[16:40] <nixternal> santiago-ve: Riddell would be in charge, but ryanakca was doing all the work on the updates that I know of
[16:40] <nixternal> DreadKnight: what's messed up about them?
[16:42] <DreadKnight> nixternal: for example in the startmenu, when moving cursor over computer(places)/home, you get "/root" as description
[16:42] <nixternal> cool
[16:43] <DreadKnight> nixternal: clicking on it opens dolphin to some fake root folder that looks like a default user home folder...
[16:43] <DreadKnight> the whole thing is bugged..
[16:44] <DreadKnight> and i have no GUI login screen since i had to remove ksmserver xD
[16:44] <nixternal> groovy
[16:44] <DreadKnight> konversation reffused to work at first.. had to delete settings
[16:45] <DreadKnight> and i can't manage to run warcraft3 for some reason xD
[16:46] <DreadKnight> i wish konqueror-kde4 would get a seach engine box thingy like opensuse has... or firefox..
[16:48] <nixternal> DreadKnight: do you know why you had to remove ksmserver?
[16:48] <nixternal> DreadKnight: the url bar in konqi is that search box
[16:49] <DreadKnight> nixternal: kdebase-workspace-data couldn't get installed or something... not sure
[16:51] <DreadKnight> nixternal: http://pastebin.com/d510f429d
[16:51] <DreadKnight> kdebase-workspace-bin actually
[16:52] <DreadKnight> still not the same thing about konqueror :-( i doubt my mother or father would write google:.... in the address bar each time.. heh
[16:53] <DreadKnight> i usually ctrl + L, then Tab and write ... and Enter
[16:57] <nixternal> DreadKnight: you don't have to type google, just set the default search enging to google, and the bar becomes the same as a search bar
[16:57] <nixternal> or you could do gg:foo
[16:59] <DreadKnight> nixternal: hehe, was looking for the 'gg:' shortway
[17:00] <DreadKnight> i also don't have icons for the categories from applications xD
[17:00] <DreadKnight> oh well
[17:02] <DreadKnight> nixternal: cool, i've managed to set that up; i got each option from the default search engine like 3 times.... heh
[17:03] <nixternal> installing kubuntu-kde4-desktop now, then will do an update to see how it works and see what issues I get so I can fix them before going on to the other modules
[17:04] <DreadKnight> cool
[17:23] <gnuton> Hi there
[17:23] <OculusAquilae> hi
[17:24] <gnuton> hey OculusAquilae
[17:24] <OculusAquilae> hi gnuton
[17:26]  * OculusAquilae is looking on kubuntu.org to see if kde 4.1 beta packages are available
[17:27] <bdgraue> do you guys really prefer ozone over oxygen?
[17:30] <mhb> bdgraue: I think it
[17:30] <mhb> it's an upstream issue
[17:31] <bdgraue> mhb: upstream issue, what does that mean?
[17:32] <OculusAquilae> bdgraue: that the KDE project prefers ozone?
[17:33] <bdgraue> in trunk is oxyen not ozone
[17:34] <OculusAquilae> bdgraue: wheree does kubuntu use ozone?
[17:34] <bdgraue> i installed the ppa-packages and removed all kde4-configs and had ozone as default
[17:35] <OculusAquilae> ppa-packages ? the 4.1 beta ones?
[17:35] <bdgraue> yes
[17:35] <OculusAquilae> where are they?
[17:36] <bdgraue> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4
[17:36] <OculusAquilae> bdgraue: any issues?
[17:37] <bdgraue> there are not all packages made i think
[17:37] <bdgraue> only rudimentary stuff
[17:37] <maltedik> i spent some time at the kde-booth at linuxtag and there was no word shed about ozone
[17:37] <OculusAquilae> any problems with it? compatibility with the old packages for games/edu?
[17:38] <OculusAquilae> or are these deleted?
[17:38] <bdgraue> i removed everything old before i installed the beta
[17:38] <OculusAquilae> so I'll better wait until it is complete
[17:39] <OculusAquilae> it's to risky for me because this is the only installation working atm
[17:39]  * OculusAquilae doesn't want to destroy his only connection to the internet
[17:43] <DreadKnight> i love the new krunner xD
[17:44] <bdgraue> i like the idea, but i dont like the color of the icons
[17:45] <bdgraue> some work to do i think
[17:45] <DreadKnight> i don't manage to close kopete-kde4 and to launch warcraft3 xD
[17:45] <DreadKnight> (some of the most scarry issues
[17:51] <bdgraue> http://nuno-icons.com/images/estilo/imagefolders2.png  i like this one
[17:59] <OculusAquilae> bdgraue: indeed
[18:13] <DreadKnight> bdgraue: is that a mockup or what?
[18:14] <bdgraue> yes it is
[18:14] <DreadKnight> looks nice
[18:14] <DreadKnight> one thing... i preffer a gap betwen the close button and the rest
[18:14] <DreadKnight> less accidental closing xD
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> That was a nice addition
[18:15] <bdgraue> DreadKnight: tell that pinheiro ;)
[18:15] <DreadKnight> :) i will
[18:15] <DreadKnight> vista made the close button damn bigger xD
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> ha, easier to hit accidentally
[18:15] <bdgraue> vist what?
[18:15] <DreadKnight> :>
[18:16] <jjesse_> i see freenode is still having problems
[18:17] <DreadKnight> aqua is somewhat silly too (from apple mac), most button round and coloured, i think color blind people can't even tell betwen the maximize and close button
[18:17] <DreadKnight> *s
[18:26] <jpds> jjesse_: such as?
[18:27] <jjesse_> jpds: still having a very slow load on channel joins, not seeing any users in the user sesction and very very slow response from nickserv
[18:27] <jjesse_> started at least for me on saturday
[18:27] <jpds> hmm
[18:27] <jjesse_> i tried to join #ubuntu-bugs 5 minutes ago and its not showing up
[18:28] <Daskreech> MOrning
[18:28] <jjesse_> morning dascreech
[18:30] <jpds> jjesse_: well, I'm in 37 different channels... so, I can't tell.
[18:30] <jjesse_> i'm seeing Daskreech now because i was on when he joined
[18:46] <Daskreech> hi jjesse_ :)
[18:46] <jjesse_> hello dascrekk
[18:46] <jjesse_> dang it
[18:46] <jjesse_> still having problems
[18:46] <jjesse_> grumble
[18:46] <jjesse_> hello dskreech
[18:47] <jjesse_> this is frustrating, seems like i can only join this channel?
[18:50] <Daskreech> I see you on 5 chans
[18:51] <jjesse_> which 5?
[18:51] <jjesse_> i don't see any but this
[18:52] <Daskreech> Now you are on one
[18:53] <jjesse_> this is frustrating
[18:53] <jjesse_> gotta figure out what has changed since i used this last
[18:53] <Daskreech> #kde-docs #ubuntu-doc #kubuntu-devel #Altiris #ubuntu-bugs
[18:53] <Daskreech> those were the 5
[18:54] <jjesse_> thanks
[18:56] <jjesse_> ah that's better
[18:57] <Daskreech> Still see you on only one :)
[18:59] <Daskreech> Now I see you on nothing :)
[18:59] <jjesse> mok fianlly figured it out
[18:59] <jjesse> ok :)
[19:01] <Daskreech> What was it?
[19:02] <jjesse> i have no idea, something in the connection with trillian i think
[19:03]  * apachelogger stumbles in
[19:04]  * Daskreech catches apachelogger 
[19:04] <apachelogger> aye, thx
[19:04] <apachelogger> is beta1 released yet?
[19:05] <apachelogger> apparently not
[19:08] <Daskreech> apachelogger: Shhhhhh
[19:09] <apachelogger> I am wondering whether I can release neon+kde before beta1 packages hit the hardy heron ;-)
[19:09]  * Daskreech gets a pretty girl to hold up the handekerchief and drop it
[19:26]  * Daskreech rusltes jjesse's hair
[19:27] <jjesse> :)
[19:28] <jjesse> hrmm vms are really killing this machine :(
[19:29] <Daskreech> apt-get remove vrms
[19:29] <jjesse> i wish can't due to work stuff being done on them
[19:30] <Daskreech> on rms?
[19:30] <jjesse> work stuff is being done on the vms
[19:33] <Daskreech> Oh Vms
[19:33] <Daskreech> I saw vrms
[19:35] <Daskreech> I know he can be insistent but I couldn't see how he was killing your machine unless you were running KDE on Windows :)
[19:39] <jjesse> :)
[19:39] <jjesse> sorry bout that, yes virtual machines
[19:40] <Daskreech> I have been thinking of getting one running
[19:40] <Daskreech> I want the new VMware though
[19:41] <Daskreech> don't know if it's being backported
[19:41] <jjesse> vmware 6 or is there a newer one?
[19:41] <Daskreech> There was a new release like 4 days after buntu shipped which had a huge update
[19:41] <jjesse> ah
[19:52] <Tonio_> hi
[19:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm currently working on kdesudo kde4 fyi
[19:52] <Daskreech> 8.10 might ship with 4.0.3 ?
[19:52] <Daskreech> Tonio_: do you find that the sudo doesn't know about KDE4 binaries?
[19:56] <Tonio_> Daskreech: that'll change once kde4 is in /usr/
[19:56] <Tonio_> Daskreech: atm it is possible to export the PATH in your /etc/environment
[19:57] <Daskreech> I know it's just the path
[19:58] <Tonio_> Daskreech: so as kde4 is going in /usr for intrepid, that's not an issue ;)
[19:58] <nixternal> howdy Tonio_!
[19:58] <Tonio_> hey nixternal
[19:59] <Daskreech> Tonio_: plus the path also has doubled separators :)
[20:01] <nixternal> Tonio_: I CC'd you on my core-dev app thinking you had uploaded some of my main crack in the past..hope I was correct in including you and I apologize if I included you and you didn't upload any of my main crack :)
[20:18] <nixternal> ok, I set kdebase-bin-kde4 to conflict with konqueror-kde4 << ${source:Version}
[20:18] <nixternal> so that should fix the current kdebase-kde4 stuff
[20:18] <nixternal> as for the kwin-kde4 stuff, I renamed kwin-kde4 to kde-window-manager and made it conflict|replace with kwin-kde4, and also made the 2 new lib packages to conflict with kwin-kde4
[20:19] <nixternal> so that should fix those problems
[20:19] <jjesse> wow sounds crayz ;)
[20:19] <jjesse> crazy
[20:21] <nixternal> ya, I am trying to take everything from the Intrepid packages, but the Intrepid packages overwrite anything remotely related to KDE, so we can't have that in Hardy
[20:23] <jjesse> wow
[20:24] <jjesse> out to buy groceryies so i can  eat the rest of the week
[20:24] <nixternal> hehe
[20:51] <apachelogger> Mez: nothing's more awesome than a nice icecream cluster @ a fair :D
[20:58]  * Daskreech throws popcorn at DreadKnight 
[20:59] <DreadKnight> lol
[20:59] <DreadKnight> hey
[20:59] <DreadKnight> :-)
[21:48] <yao_ziyuan> ﻿does anyone care about firefox 3's ugly tabs under kubuntu's kde theme-ization?
[21:51] <yao_ziyuan> ﻿kubuntu applies the current kde style to GTK+ applications. when it comes to firefox 3, web page tabs are drawn in a broken manner.
[21:54] <apachelogger> *thumbs up*
[22:10] <gnuton> Hi