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| mnabil_ | hello guys, is there's a how to for creating a virtual ubuntu package ? | 01:45 |
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| persia | mnabil_: Not really. Why do you need one? | 01:49 |
| sladen | mnabil_: virtual ubuntu package? | 01:49 |
| sladen | mnabil_: can you expand the question; what type of 'virtual'? | 01:50 |
| mnabil_ | persia, actually , i'm building a custom system based on ubuntu, so i wanna make an update scheme using apt , so i can grab some package under one name | 01:50 |
| persia | mnabil_: I'd suggest making a meta-package rather than a virtual package. It is more likely to meet your needs. | 01:50 |
| mnabil_ | sladen, actually , like ubuntu-desktop i think | 01:50 |
| sladen | mnabil_: a meta-package ? | 01:50 |
| mnabil_ | persia, cool , link me to the how to :D , or i can google ? | 01:50 |
| mnabil_ | sladen, is this a meta package :D | 01:51 |
| persia | mnabil_: Better to just look at the source of an existing one. Start with apt-get source ubuntu-desktop. | 01:51 |
| mnabil_ | the packages, ubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop are called meta packages ? | 01:51 |
| mnabil_ | persia, so this is called meta package then ? | 01:52 |
| sladen | mnabil_: apt-cache search meta| grep -i meta.*package && apt-get source packageofyourchoicetouseasanexample | 01:52 |
| persia | mnabil_: A meta-package is a package that only contains dependencies information: no content. A virtual package is one that doesn't even exist, but is used by other packages for dependencies management. | 01:53 |
| mnabil_ | sladen, yea, i just ask about the category name , i think i have conflict between the meaning of metapackage , and virtual package :D | 01:53 |
| mnabil_ | persia, so, ubuntu-desktop is a meta package , right ? | 01:54 |
| sladen | mnabil_: yes | 01:54 |
| mnabil_ | sladen, thanks alot, sorry i new to ubuntu , and debian like distros, i didn't use any :D | 01:55 |
| mnabil_ | i'm a gentoo user | 01:55 |
| sladen | eg. "mail-transport-agent" is a virtual package. exim/postfix/sendmail all Provide: it | 01:56 |
| sladen | but there is no such package itself | 01:56 |
| mnabil_ | sladen, yea, i'm reading , thanks alot :) | 01:57 |
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| dazza | hi, is it possible to create a 3TB ext3 filesystem with the standard ubuntu desktop kernel? | 02:47 |
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| Hobbsee | lamont: any idea why you made changes to kinput2? | 04:40 |
| lamont | Hobbsee: because it annoyed me??? | 04:41 |
| lamont | no clue./ | 04:41 |
| * lamont goes looking | 04:41 | |
| Hobbsee | lamont: oh, excellent, it's not even in intrepid anymore, apparently (makedepend) | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | oh *nice*. it hasn't existed apart from dapper. | 04:42 |
| lamont | Hobbsee: it's called "xutils-dev" :-) | 04:43 |
| lamont | Provides: imake, makedepend, xorg-build-macros, xmkmf | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | lamont: ahhh, so that moved. right | 04:44 |
| lamont | you could certainly go with the "I bet it works, please sync 3.1-10.1 from sid, kthx" and then add the xutils-dev build-depend if it doesn't... :-) | 04:44 |
| lamont | given that it's built everywhere in debian, I expect that you can just sync it and have success | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | lamont: yeah. well, seeing as i just synced it, taht's what i'll be doing. | 04:45 |
| lamont | heh | 04:45 |
| * lamont bets we can't sync a package from sid/NEW though. :0( | 04:45 | |
| lamont | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/ISDN.png <-- why I'm not sure about the reliability of copper some days... | 04:46 |
| lamont | gotta love those hard flat tops where one channel goes *splat* | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | lamont: you cna sync from anywhere that has a .dsc address, it appears. | 04:48 |
| lamont | OTOH, I'd trade $something for something from the current century | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 04:48 |
| lamont | Hobbsee: NEW queue isn't readable. | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | i was thinking of sid, but yes. | 04:48 |
| Hobbsee | oh, i see. sid/new as in the one thing, not either of them | 04:48 |
| lamont | right | 04:48 |
| lamont | bind9_1:9.5.0.dfsg-1 is sitting in NEW, bound for sid | 04:49 |
| lamont | stupid soname changes | 04:49 |
| * Hobbsee trouts whoever put in the requiring a debian maintainer field as a multi-affects bug. | 04:49 | |
| lamont | if it takes too long, I'll just upload a ~0ubuntu1 version. :D | 04:49 |
| lamont | ?? | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | ah, damn. now it's frozen my firefox. | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | bug 23035- | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | bug 230350 | 04:50 |
| lamont | 2008-05-14 by Luca Falavigna | 04:51 |
| * Hobbsee trouts him again | 04:52 | |
| Hobbsee | i thought it was. | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | i just couldn't load the bug again, to check. | 04:52 |
| lamont | Hobbsee: just mass close it and open new ones... :-) | 05:17 |
| lamont | or not | 05:17 |
| lamont | anyway, iz bedtime | 05:17 |
| lamont | g'night | 05:17 |
| twb | Does Ubuntu have a document anywhere defining what requirements must be met before an upgrade will be allowed into a (already released) release? | 05:18 |
| twb | I realize it'll basically amount to "only if it fixes critical security bugs", but I'd like to be able to refer to the full document. | 05:19 |
| * lamont bets that a search for "stable release update" on the wiki would be fruitful | 05:21 | |
| lamont | twb: that's the rule for -security. -updates is a bit easier. though not my much | 05:22 |
| twb | So the wiki is considered the official place for that document? | 05:23 |
| twb | I want to know what the Ubuntu developers are *committing* to, not an explanation of the intent. | 05:24 |
| twb | (I'm reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates now.) | 05:25 |
| lamont | those are the rules that are applied wrt updates to stable releases | 05:27 |
| lamont | which direction are you coming at the question from? trying to get something in, or trying to avoid upgrades that you don't want? | 05:28 |
| twb | From the persepective of a corporation deploying LTS | 05:29 |
| twb | And personally as a Debian user who likes policy to be written down in great detail. | 05:29 |
| twb | I'm looking at the upgrade list of a fresh desktop LTS install, and there are a lot of upstream point releases being included (e.g. gnome-about [1:22.2.1-0ubuntu6 -> 1:2.22.2-0ubuntu1]. As a Debian user, I have a deep-seated fear of allowing upstream to introduce new code to a stable release, because new upstream = new regressions. | 05:32 |
| twb | Althogh looking at apt-cache policy I can see that example has come from -updates not -security. | 05:32 |
| lamont | the shortest answer to that is to just not include hardy-updates in sources.list | 05:33 |
| twb | Nod. | 05:33 |
| Chipzz | twb: for the gnome packages in ubuntu, that's perfectly normal | 05:33 |
| lamont | OTOH, hardy has a 8.04.1 release (which lands in updates, almost certainly) scheduled for august, which is when the upgrade from dapper->hardy is supposed to be fully happy and such... hence the higher rate of churn in -updates right now | 05:34 |
| lamont | and yeah, ubuntu tracks gnome very religiously | 05:34 |
| twb | So -updates constitutes the upgrades from version Nr0 to Nr1, where 1 is the latest micro(?) release? | 05:35 |
| twb | Oh sorry, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions is something else | 05:36 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: That is a very very weird sync. | 06:49 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: sorry? | 06:55 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: Those two packages that have your name against them on the intrepid changes list. | 06:58 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: yes, i know. | 06:59 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: i can't sign with the archive key, of course. | 06:59 |
| * TheMuso nods. | 07:00 | |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: it's using sync-source.py, which effectively downloads the package, resigns, then lets you upload it | 07:00 |
| TheMuso | Wouldn't it be better to request a sync? | 07:00 |
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: perhaps. i just wanted to save work, and knock it off the MoM list | 07:12 |
| Hobbsee | although i'm aware it's not off yet | 07:12 |
| ernstp | where can I find documentation about all the details of the debian/rules file? | 07:34 |
| bimberi | ernstp: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules | 07:57 |
| ernstp | bimberi: perfect! | 07:58 |
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| uga | guys, anybody can tell what's the difference between libssh-2 and libssh2-1 ? | 10:21 |
| uga | it's very confusing, both support ssh2 | 10:22 |
| nxvl | libssh-2 seems to be the 2 debian version of libssh | 10:26 |
| nxvl | and libssh2-1 must be the 1st debian version of libssh2 | 10:27 |
| uga | nxvl: it supports ssh2 though | 10:27 |
| nxvl | dunno | 10:27 |
| nxvl | but folowing the debian version rules | 10:27 |
| nxvl | that must be the loginc | 10:27 |
| nxvl | logic* | 10:27 |
| uga | I thought at first that libssh-2 was ssh1, but the url in says they disabled ssh1 by default | 10:27 |
| uga | and the maintainer of the package is the same guy :/ | 10:27 |
| uga | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libssh2-1 | 10:28 |
| uga | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libssh2-1-dev | 10:28 |
| uga | uh-oh... | 10:28 |
| uga | sid and lenny. that may mean something | 10:28 |
| uga | oh sorry, no wrong pastes I go nuts now ;) | 10:29 |
| nxvl | those ones are libssh2 both of them | 10:30 |
| nxvl | also | 10:31 |
| nxvl | that's a question you should ask on debian-devel | 10:31 |
| nxvl | since they are debian packages | 10:31 |
| nxvl | not ubuntu ones | 10:31 |
| uga | nxvl: errrm... that's because in my google search debian packs appeared, but it seems ubuntu took the names from debian | 10:32 |
| uga | I'm on ubuntu, not on debian =) | 10:32 |
| uga | and ubuntu.com seems timing out on me :/ | 10:33 |
| nxvl | packages.ubuntu.com | 10:34 |
| nxvl | or check in launchpad | 10:34 |
| uga | trying, but the server refuses | 10:34 |
| nxvl | launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/$PACKAGENAME | 10:34 |
| uga | that doesnt' seem to work for me, unless package name needs more than the name | 10:36 |
| uga | nxvl: sigh, it's not possible this way, unless someboy fixes packages.ubuntu.com... I tried from a different host with no luck | 10:39 |
| uga | nxvl: but you can sure check apt-cache search libssh and you'll see both | 10:40 |
| uga | whose names, have obviously been inherited from debian | 10:40 |
| uga | here you are http://rafb.net/p/vsTMei98.html | 10:43 |
| nxvl | mm | 10:51 |
| nxvl | there is the difference in the descriptions | 10:51 |
| nxvl | one is the client side library | 10:51 |
| nxvl | and the other a programmers library | 10:51 |
| uga | nxvl: from a kde-dev guy: | 10:51 |
| uga | [11:43] <pusling> uga: the first one is libssh2 soname1 and the other one is libssh soname2 | 10:52 |
| uga | [11:43] <pusling> uga: I guess you should blame the upstreams of those two difeferent projects for choosing so similar names ;) | 10:52 |
| uga | that should explain what's going on | 10:52 |
| uga | I wonder if the two packages are needed | 10:52 |
| uga | anymore | 10:52 |
| nxvl | ask the DM | 10:52 |
| nxvl | or send and e-mail to colin | 10:52 |
| uga | seems the right thing to do yes | 10:53 |
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| GnineX | whois GnineX | 12:16 |
| GnineX | oops.. | 12:16 |
| geser | Hobbsee: could you please give back irssi on i386 (CHROOTWAIT)? Thanks. | 12:20 |
| Kopfgeldjaeger | do we already know which kernel version will be in intrepid? | 12:42 |
| Hobbsee | geser: given back. poor rothera. | 13:13 |
| Hobbsee | wait. | 13:13 |
| * Hobbsee does it manually, and sacrifices a goat to launchpad to ensure that buildd.py works again soon | 13:15 | |
| cody-somerville | \o/ | 13:16 |
| geser | Hobbsee: buildd.py works for me. I use it to do give-backs for universe packages. | 13:17 |
| Hobbsee | File "/usr/lib/python2.5/urllib2.py", line 506, in http_error_default | 13:18 |
| Hobbsee | raise HTTPError(req.get_full_url(), code, msg, hdrs, fp) | 13:18 |
| Hobbsee | urllib2.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error | 13:18 |
| geser | hmm | 13:18 |
| Hobbsee | repeatable. | 13:18 |
| geser | I took the script from people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/scripts and adjusted only the path to my LP cookie. | 13:19 |
| * Hobbsee yoinks new changes | 13:23 | |
| Hobbsee | nope. still an internal server error. | 13:23 |
| geser | really interesting why it works for me but not for you. You probably have to much permissions :) | 13:25 |
| Hobbsee | perhaps so. | 13:25 |
| geser | or simply LP doesn't like you anymore :) | 13:30 |
| persia | Did LP ever? I always imagined Hobbsee's stick taming LP for the rest of us. | 13:31 |
| Hobbsee | LP doesn't like me for being australian. | 13:32 |
| geser | move to europe | 13:32 |
| Hobbsee | yeah well. i wouldn't mind doing that. | 13:35 |
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| cjwatson | persia: FWIW equivs might be a better thing to point people at than ubuntu-desktop. ubuntu-desktop is designed for ease of maintenance in Ubuntu, not so much for comprehensibility by everyone else ... | 14:11 |
| persia | cjwatson: Ah. Thanks. | 14:11 |
| persia | Wow! a meta-meta-package :) | 14:12 |
| cjwatson | it's kinda cool | 14:12 |
| ion_ | http://gitweb.heh.fi/?p=ion/ubuntu/ion-meta.git;a=tree | 14:13 |
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| smarter | Could someone please have a look at bug #236526 ? | 15:59 |
| smarter | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devscripts/+bug/236526 - "uupdate should appends -0ubuntu1 instead of -1 to the version number" | 15:59 |
| sladen | smarter: ideally that would detect if you're on Debian, or Ubuntu and select the default postfix based on that | 16:12 |
| sladen | otherwise we have to keep a patch against Debian | 16:12 |
| a7p | hi everyone - I found a removal request on a certain Package an I'd like to have further information on that - can anyone give me a direction to look into? | 16:14 |
| a7p | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/vim-latexsuite/20060325-4.1 | 16:14 |
| a7p | is the package in question | 16:14 |
| sladen | a7p: removal? | 16:16 |
| sladen | a7p: from whom? for what reason? | 16:16 |
| a7p | sladen, I've got absolutly no idea, not that the package was especially important to me - there is written: Removal requested on 2008-05-05. | 16:17 |
| a7p | or does that mean something entirely differend? | 16:18 |
| sladen | a7p: where did the message come from? where did you see the messagE? | 16:21 |
| sladen | ah, on that URL "Removal requested on 2008-05-05. " | 16:22 |
| sladen | it was uploaded by the auto-syncer | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | a7p: to perhaps clarify what sladen said, that "Removal requested" just means that internal stuff in Launchpad decided to remove *that version* of vim-latexsuite | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | a7p: you can tell this because there's also a message about it being superseded by a later version | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | a7p: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim-latexsuite shows that it's still in the archive | 16:54 |
| a7p | cjwatson, ah, thank you very much for the information ... | 17:15 |
| a7p | did not get that connection. | 17:15 |
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| smarter_ | sladen: I've attached a new patch to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devscripts/+bug/236526 | 17:45 |
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| sladen | smarter: looks very good | 17:49 |
| smarter | thanks ;) | 17:49 |
| sladen | smarter: I wonder if there's a more reliable way than grep Ubuntu /etc/issue | 17:49 |
| sladen | there's /etc/lsb-release but I have a feeling that is only meant to be accessed via the 'lsb-release' command | 17:49 |
| smarter | lsb_release -i | 17:49 |
| smarter | $(grep Ubuntu $(lsb_release -i)) maybe, but it doesn't look good | 17:50 |
| sladen | if [ `lsb_release --short --id` = `Ubuntu` ] ; then ... maybe? | 17:51 |
| sladen | it could even got inside a switch statement | 17:51 |
| smarter | good idea | 17:51 |
| smarter | I'll try to do that | 17:51 |
| geser | smarter: you might look how dch does it, but it also uses the output of lsb_release -is | 17:55 |
| Mithrandir | which is what sladen is suggesting. | 17:55 |
| Mithrandir | oh, you were suggesting a way to look more at the code around it; just ignore me. :-) | 17:56 |
| a7p | #225411 is fixed in Intrepid, and the commited patch works for hardy - I'm just bilding a diff for gustys package - how should I procede? | 18:09 |
| sladen | bug #225411 | 18:09 |
| sladen | ubugtu... | 18:10 |
| smarter | sladen: new patch: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/devscripts/+bug/236526 | 18:42 |
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| sladen | smarter: that's close enough I'd be happy with it | 18:54 |
| sladen | smarter: I'd generally do test -x /usr/bin/lsb_release && ... as it's mandated where 'lsb_release' is and avoids PATH | 18:55 |
| sladen | smarter: case "$(test -x /usr/bin/lsb_release && /usr/bin/lsb_release --short --id 2>/dev/null)" in Ubuntu) | 18:58 |
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| cjwatson | sladen: prefer which or type to any use of hardcoded PATH | 22:32 |
| sladen | cjwatson: can do. Do you also want a --distribution override a la the other utilities? | 22:33 |
| cjwatson | this is just a drive-by review, haven't looked that far ... | 22:33 |
| cjwatson | (I don't use uupdate myself any more so I'm not really a good person to answer that) | 22:34 |
| geser | wasn't one reason for the --distribution override that one can work on Debian package on a Ubuntu system and vice versa? so the same should apply for uupdate, shouldn't it? | 22:36 |
| cjwatson | slightly more interested right now in why valgrind is failing on my openssh build :-/ | 22:36 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: hang on, didn't this exact same thinking just cause the world a lot of hurt? :p | 22:46 |
| cjwatson | that was failing in the usual way | 22:47 |
| cjwatson | this is valgrind outputting nothing but: | 22:47 |
| cjwatson | valgrind: mmap(0x0, 294912) failed in UME with error 13 (Permission denied). | 22:47 |
| cjwatson | strace has: | 22:47 |
| cjwatson | open("build-deb/ssh-add", O_RDONLY) = 3 | 22:47 |
| cjwatson | [...] | 22:47 |
| cjwatson | mmap2(NULL, 90112, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 0) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) | 22:48 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: kees woz 'ere ? | 22:56 |
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