[01:45] <nixternal> if you want to test the KDE 4.1 Beta 1 packages for Hardy, I have the base packages complete in the ~kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA
[01:45] <jjesse> its about time ;)
[01:46] <jjesse> which ppa is that?
[01:47] <jjesse> is that ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members/ubuntu main?
[01:48] <nixternal> kubuntu-members-kde4
[01:48] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive
[01:49] <Jucato> Unstated disclaimer:  <nixternal> if anyone grabs the kde4.1 beta1 packages from the ppa and it destroys your system, don't say I didn't just tell you...there is a darn good chance of data loss yet
[01:49] <nixternal> that is pretty much over with
[01:49] <nixternal> I just tested an update and it went smooth
[01:49] <Jucato> :D
[01:50]  * jjesse takes a snapshot
[01:50] <nixternal> jjesse: good move
[01:50]  * Jucato gets his camera
[01:50] <nixternal> I forgot about using virtualbox
[01:50]  * Jucato moins nixternal and jjesse
[01:50] <jjesse> evening Jucato
[01:51]  * Jucato is excited...
[01:51] <nixternal> howdy Jucato and jjesse
[01:51] <jjesse> hello nixternal
[01:51] <jjesse> about what Jucato?
[01:51] <Jucato> openSUSE 11
[01:51] <Jucato> hahah j/k!
[01:51]  * nixternal kicks Jucato in the shins
[01:51] <Jucato> my classes start on the 7th
[01:51] <nixternal> rock on!
[01:51] <nixternal> I should be starting work on that same day :)
[01:51] <jjesse> yay for work
[01:52] <nixternal> yes...managing a linux distro though? wth did I get myself into
[01:52] <Jucato> :D
[01:52] <Jucato> yay for school and work!!!
[01:52] <Jucato> so I have 1 more week to get distracted
[01:52] <nixternal> hopefully I can change them from doing their own distro and utilizing another distro and just creating appliance releases
[01:52] <jjesse> 26 more days till the babies due date
[01:53] <Jucato> I already have my modules (books)... all I need now are instructions on what to do with them (other then read them of course)
[01:53] <nixternal> looks like I will be the "Linux Packaging and Development Engineer" as well as the "Open Source Community Manager" for the company
[01:53] <jjesse> i want one of your businnes cards
[01:53] <nixternal> gimme a couple of weeks after I start :)
[01:54] <nixternal> my interview last week, the one engineer had Kubuntu jokes
[01:54] <jjesse> awesome, what does a kubuntu joke sound like?
[01:54] <nixternal> he said "don't worry, there is no way we would treat you like a 2nd class citizen here"
[01:54] <nixternal> I told him "quit reading blogs!"
[01:54] <Jucato> lol
[01:54] <Jucato> specially my blog :)
[01:58] <jjesse> lol
[01:58] <nixternal> hahaha
[01:58] <nixternal> no doubt
[01:58] <jjesse> wow 42 packages upgraded and 8 new ones ;0
[01:58] <jjesse> nice
[02:02] <jjesse> hrmm this is interesting, trying to do a svn diff and getting an error about finding a temp dir
[02:02] <jjesse> doh i ran out of space
[02:02] <jjesse> hrmm
[02:02] <jjesse> wonder how that is going to work mid upgrade
[02:06] <jjesse> hrmm
[02:06] <nixternal> oh man, I do not like the sound of 'hrmm'
[02:06] <nixternal> please, no more kdebase-workspace borkage :P
[02:08] <jjesse> nixternal: i'm at 100% disk usaage in this vm
[02:08] <jjesse> need to figure something out
[02:08] <vorian> so nixternal, MoM or DaD?
[02:08] <nixternal> MoM!!!!!
[02:08] <jjesse> MoM ? DaD?
[02:08] <nixternal> actually, I could care less
[02:09] <nixternal> I used to use DaD because it gave me cleaner diffs to us
[02:09] <nixternal> e
[02:09] <nixternal> but MoM has had some clean diffs recently
[02:09] <vorian> DaD has the nice notes
[02:09] <nixternal> and by clean I mean, not a ton of .po crap in the diffs
[02:09] <vorian> hehe
[02:09] <nixternal> ya, wish mom had the notes
[02:10] <jjesse> afk taking out trash, walking dog and cleaning up or adding space on my vm
[02:19] <eddieftw> nixternal: you broke my computer! :p
[02:20] <claydoh> nixternal: you can't win, over in k - u ml :(
[02:21] <claydoh> I almost worked myself up into a similar post to yours, but i ain't that good at it, and it would just add to the noise
 nixternal: you broke my computer! <-- tsk tsk
[02:25] <nixternal> yup
[02:25] <Jucato> another customer broken by nixternal
[02:25] <nixternal> he deserves it though
[02:25] <Jucato> aw.. poor eddie :)
[02:25] <Jucato> baaaad richard :)
[02:26] <nixternal> can't figure out the man page overwrite right now
[02:41] <jjesse> ok restarting now that i've cleaned up some space
[02:41] <jjesse> lets see what happens w/ the upgrad ee;0
[02:43] <eddieftw> hi jjesse
[02:44] <jjesse> hello eddieftw
[02:46] <jjesse> nixternal: not booting to a graphical sesion
[02:47] <nixternal> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:47] <nixternal> RGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[02:48] <nixternal> jjesse: did you do a dist-upgrade?
[02:48] <jjesse> yes i did
[02:48] <jjesse> should i have?
[02:49] <nixternal> yes..that was correct
[02:49] <nixternal> are you coming up to kdm/gdm at all?
[02:49] <jjesse> instersting startx works and now getting a kde 4.devel start screen
[02:49] <jjesse> no kdm at all
[02:49] <nixternal> hrmm
[02:49] <nixternal> did you select kdm-kde4 as the default manager?
[02:49] <jjesse> i wasn't prompted
[02:50] <nixternal> ok, so you were already using kdm-kde4 then
[02:50] <jjesse> i just have kubuntu remix installed
[02:50] <vorian> ok, one down.  turned out to be a sync
[02:51] <vorian> nixternal: what's weird about starting out with watch files?  :P
[02:52] <jjesse> stupid question how do i reconfigure it to make sure i'm using kdm-kde4
[02:54] <vorian> nixternal: can you also take a peek at bug #179828 and get the mother off my back! :)
[02:55] <nixternal> jjesse: I think 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-display-manager
[02:55] <harolddong> so when I install kubuntu-kde4-desktop I'm supposed to choose kdm-kde4 and the default manager?
[02:56] <nixternal> up to you
[02:56] <nixternal> I don't, cuz I had issues with kdm-kde4 way back
[02:56] <jjesse> hrmm
[02:56] <nixternal> jjesse: that didn't do it?
[02:57] <nixternal> if not, try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm-kde4' and see what you get
[02:57] <jjesse> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm-kde4 returns nothing
[02:57] <jjesse> just kicks me back to the prompt
[02:58] <Jucato> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm?
[02:58] <jjesse> kdm is not installed
[02:58] <vorian> yeah, it wouldn't be in remix
[02:59] <jjesse> is kwin the window manager?  should i have kwin-kde4 installed?
[02:59] <Jucato> ohh right..
[02:59] <nixternal> jjesse: kde-window-manager
[02:59] <nixternal> that should remove kwin-kde4
[02:59] <jjesse> ah ok i don't have kwin-kde4 installed
[03:00] <Jucato> -_-
[03:02] <nixternal> jjesse: dpkg -l kde-window-manager
[03:02] <nixternal> see if that is installed...it should be if kwin-kde4 is gone
[03:02] <jjesse> failed to read archive kde-window-manager: no such file or directory
[03:03] <jjesse> ok be back in 20 mins wife is calling
[03:03] <nixternal> everyone has a different problem...this is starting to become a real pita
[03:17] <nixternal> hrmm
[03:17] <nixternal> >.< this close to not being nice
[03:18] <Jucato> kdegames co is taking waaay too long :(
[03:19] <harolddong> how many packages is the beta supposed to be all together?
[03:20] <nixternal> harolddong: when it is all done it will be all of them
[03:20] <nixternal> until then, it is only about 5 of them
[03:20] <harolddong> I'm still getting the man overwrite error?
[03:20] <nixternal> right now the plan is to get the base packages fixed so they aren't borking stuff
[03:20] <harolddong> is ther a way around that?
[03:21] <nixternal> harolddong: wait until the new kdebase-workspace finishes and re-update and upgrade
[03:21] <nixternal> also, for tech support q's, head over to #kubuntu-kde4
[03:21] <vorian> hell yes! Tracy Morgan is going to be hosting Scare Tatics
[03:21] <nixternal> everyone is in there that is testing and bringing the problems up so I can look at fixing them
[03:21] <nixternal> they are bringing back scare tactics?
[03:22] <vorian> yes!
[03:22] <vorian> July 9th
[03:22] <vorian> i love that show
[03:22] <Jucato> when is openSUSE 11's release?
[03:22] <nixternal> hehe, that show rocked
[03:22] <nixternal> Jucato: I am about to go kung-fu on you!
[03:23] <nixternal> muhahaha
[03:23] <Jucato> as long as it isn't gung-fu :)
[03:23] <nixternal> haha
[03:23] <nixternal> good catch :p
[03:23] <Jucato> :D
[03:23] <nixternal> I am getting to the point to where I don't even want to continue these beta packages
[03:23] <Jucato> win-fu would be worse
[03:23] <nixternal> people keep whining, and all it is doing is really pissing me off
[03:24] <Jucato> you're not used to it yet? :)
[03:24] <Jucato> the whining I mean
[03:24] <nixternal> these weren't even going to get done, but I decided to do it for everyone
[03:24] <Jucato> people love to wine
[03:24] <Jucato> er.. whine
[03:24] <nixternal> Jucato: right now, I am getting so many PMs about it
[03:24] <nixternal> I don't mind "hey, I am testing what you have in PPA, and this is the error I am getting"
[03:25] <nixternal> not "when are the beta packages going to get done???"
[03:25] <Jucato> or "the kde4 beta packages are broken"
[03:25] <nixternal> I feel like putting a rootkit in the packages and pwning the world :P
[03:28] <nixternal> then again, rootkits don't get ya far in *buntu anyways
[03:29] <Jucato> well can't you just make a package that will run rm -rf / there?
[03:29] <Jucato> I mean, it's running in sudo anyway...
[03:29] <vorian> hmm, that would be a treat
[03:29] <nixternal> that it would
[03:29] <nixternal> I would pay to see that one, even if I am broke :)
[03:30] <nixternal> the next time I do something like this, I will disconnect from IRC and email the entire time
[03:30] <nixternal> and....I will not upload the packages anywhere people can find them
[03:30] <Jucato> you? broke?
[03:30] <nixternal> yes, me, broke
[03:30] <Jucato> !nixternal
[03:30] <Jucato> oh you're lucky, no bot
[03:30] <nixternal> I haven't paid the monthly bot fee
[03:30] <Jucato> wb jjesse_ with a tail
[03:30] <nixternal> jjesse: is it still broke?
[03:31] <Jucato> did nixternal break you too?
[03:31] <jjesse_> nixternal: i love your posts on kubuntu-users
[03:31] <jjesse_> thanks :)
[03:31] <jjesse_> yes he did
[03:31]  * Jucato unsubscribed from k-users ml a long time ago
[03:31] <nixternal> jjesse_: I am filing a wishlist for kdepim/kmail:: [Wishlist] Allow me to send a punch through email
[03:31] <jjesse_> i ttoally agree
[03:31] <jjesse_> +1 to that idea
[03:32] <nixternal> the reason I haven't is because sometimes there are decent ideas on there, or valid issues that need fixing
[03:32] <jjesse_> i'm sick of the kde4 sucks this shouldn't be a major release
[03:32] <Jucato> nixternal: I think "sometimes" is a bit of an overstatement
[03:32] <jjesse_> if you have problems go talk to #kde-devel
[03:32] <nixternal> jjesse_: you can't have it...you would pull a holyfield on me
[03:32] <nixternal> then I would have to file a wishlist report that would allow me to bite your ear off
[03:32] <jjesse_> lol
[03:33] <nixternal> jjesse_: damn, I forgot to add that to my last email
[03:33]  * Jucato thinks there is more noise in the ML than in kubuntuforums actually... but I'm no longer monitoring both...
[03:33] <nixternal> whining to us isn't going to get KDE 4 fixed up to act like windows vista for you
[03:33] <Jucato> guys, can't you just make a wishlist for sending (physical) violence through e-mail? then you'd get to choose which kind you wish to inflict
[03:33] <Jucato> er.. implement
[03:34] <jjesse_> lol that's even better
[03:34]  * jjesse_ heads to bugs.kde.org
[03:34] <jjesse_> i wonder if the problem i'm having is with vmware-tools and the x config and not the upgrade/update
[03:36] <Daskreech> What?
[03:36] <Daskreech> Oh
[03:36] <Daskreech> I thought Jucato had 22 days for his baby's due date
[03:36] <Jucato> I'm not pregnant!!!
[03:36] <jjesse_> lol that's hiloarus
[03:36]  * Jucato kicks Daskreech
[03:36] <jjesse_> i have 22 days
[03:37] <Jucato> where are you giving birth?
[03:37] <Jucato> ;)
[03:38] <jjesse_> i'm reverting my snapshot
[03:38] <nixternal> on IRC
[03:38] <Jucato> wow!
[03:38] <jjesse_> and going to free up disk  space and try the update again
[03:38] <Jucato> our first IRC-born :)
[03:38] <jjesse_> there is free wi-fi in the birthing rooms
[03:39] <santiago-ve> hey guys... can someone of you take a look to kpogre?.. it is at revu~ i was going to try pack it but someone already did... and well its an interesting package ... :p
[03:39] <jjesse_> speaking of hositprals nixternal did you see/hear about the helocopter crash at butterworth?
[03:39] <nixternal> jjesse_: you my friend have bad DDR...I asked you about it the other day and you said you were in Ohio
[03:40] <jjesse_> oh yeah sorry bout that
[03:40] <nixternal> hahahaha
[03:40] <jjesse_> ok i'm cleaning up disk spce on my vm and trying upgrade again
[03:41] <Jucato> jjesse_: maybe you could also try cleaning your RAM as well :)
[03:41] <nixternal> ya, it has cobwebs
[03:41] <Jucato> you apparently have a bad DDR. or is that nixternal's fault too?
[03:41] <nixternal> kdebug() << "nixternal is broken";
[03:41] <jjesse> i read on kubuntu-users mailing list everything was nixternal's fault
[03:42] <Jucato> alias nixternal=soyuz
[03:42] <Jucato> was it soyuz? now I can't remember
[03:42] <Jucato> hahaha
[03:42] <nixternal> no way, the soyuz recently had a very rough landing
[03:43] <Jucato> lol
[03:43] <claydoh> Jucato !!  howdy
[03:43] <Jucato> and you're still up in the air and already you have it rough :)
[03:43] <Jucato> yo claydoh!!
[03:44] <Jucato> brb.. need/want to buy something sweet to eat and something sweet to wash it down
[03:46]  * nixternal goes for some cake
[03:46] <jjesse> mmm cake
[03:46] <jjesse> it has to be wheat free cake for me
[03:47] <claydoh> ice cream here :)
[03:47] <jjesse> bed here soon
[03:56] <jjesse> nixternal: updated from snapshot and restarted kde, working so far
[03:57] <jjesse> rebooting
[03:57] <jjesse> noticed the application launcher is no longer displayed
[03:58] <jjesse> might have to recreat my .kde4
[03:58] <jjesse> nixternal; nope still doesn't boot to kdm
[03:59] <jjesse> nixternal: bug!!!!!!!
[04:00] <jjesse> ./kdm-kde4: 128: Syntax error: ";;" unexpected (expecting "fi")
[04:00] <jjesse> got that upon shutting down and starting up
[04:00] <jjesse> come back from your cake ;0
[04:07] <jjesse> nixternal: going to bed see last comment ./kdm-kde4: 128: Syntax error: ";;" unxpeected (expecting "fi")
[04:10] <vorian> CAKE!
[04:14] <nixternal> mmm cake
[04:16] <nixternal> see, I just updated kde 4.1 beta 1 with both kde3 and kde4 installed on a fresh install w/o any issues
[04:16] <nixternal> now to test to see if it runs
[04:17] <nixternal> jjesse: I have no idea why you are getting that...I just updated a fresh install that had both kde3 and kde4 installed w/o any problems
[04:17] <nixternal> kde 4.1 beta 1 up and running
[04:23] <Daskreech> Cake is a lliiieeeeee
[04:23] <Daskreech> apt-get install kake ^_^
[05:42] <eddieftw> nixternal: ping?
[05:43] <nixternal> what?
[05:44] <eddieftw> you broke my computer!
[05:44] <eddieftw> i said i would help you test
[05:44] <eddieftw> and then you disappeared
[05:49] <nixternal> yes, I am busy breaking other people's computers as well!
[05:49] <nixternal> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:49] <nixternal> that should fix your troubles
[05:52] <nixternal> kdebase-* is a real pita I tell you :)
[05:56] <eddieftw> i did that
[05:56] <eddieftw> is when everything broke ;p
[06:00] <nixternal> do it again newb
[06:00] <nixternal> brb, gotta take the dogs for a walk....I should walk over to your house and let them eat you!
[06:01] <eddieftw> they wont be stuffed
[06:02] <cartman> mon
[06:02] <cartman> moin even
[06:13] <eddieftw> it seems to be working now nixternal
[06:14] <nixternal> of course it does
[06:17] <nixternal> apachelogger: what was your fix to get icons showing up in kickoff way back during the 4.0.0 days? I can't find a 4.0.0-0ubuntu2 diff of your changes
[06:18] <nixternal> something about paths is all it says in the changelog, and I am seeing no icons right now in kickoff under kde 4.1 beta 1
[06:45] <nixternal> apachelogger: nevermind those icon questions
[06:47] <nixternal> had to blow away ~/.kde4
[06:51] <Daskreech> \o/
[07:02] <eddieftw> nixternal: so are we done? is that all that testing the 4.1 package consists of?
[07:06] <Daskreech> Doesit all work? :)
[07:06] <eddieftw> no complaints from apt
[07:08] <Daskreech> Do you get a KDM on bootup?
[07:08] <nixternal> you do now
[07:17] <eddieftw> im not sure, i havent shut down
[07:17] <eddieftw> should i?
[07:19] <Daskreech> yup
[07:20] <eddieftw> wil try later
[07:20] <eddieftw> brb
[07:24] <nixternal> kdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase-*, and kdebase 4.1 beta 1 packages seem to be pretty darn complete and in good working order at this time
[07:24] <nixternal> tomorrow I will start working on the rest of KDE/*
[07:25] <Daskreech> cd ~nixternal/pub
[07:25] <Daskreech> more beer
[07:27] <nixternal> cd ~/nixternal/bed && sleep
[07:27] <bdgraue__> nixternal: thx for your work
[07:27] <nixternal> no prob, thanks for you patience :)
[07:28] <nixternal> bdgraue__: the work is yet to be completed though, but at least you can play with wobbly windows :)
[07:28] <Daskreech> And Scchnnow
[07:28] <Daskreech> Who did that?
[07:28] <eddieftw> yea kdm 4.1 starts up and runs perfectly for me
[07:28] <Daskreech>  I know seli wouldn't touch that with a frozen tongue
[07:28] <nixternal> Riddell: check your kdm.init for kdebase-workspace and line 128 to see if you have a missing 'fi'...I grabbed from your package and it was missing, but that grab was from a few days ago in Intrepid
[07:29] <nixternal> eddieftw: did you hear? Cleversafe said I am a perfect fit...so it looks like I will be working downtown with you soon :)
[07:29] <nixternal> Liquid Lunch!
[07:29] <nixternal> err, Linux Lunch!
[07:30] <eddieftw> nixternal: i heard! i sent you congratualtions on the lug chan.
[07:30] <nixternal> oh
[07:30] <eddieftw> let me know when you start, we can have lunch
[07:30] <nixternal> shows how much I pay attention
[07:30] <eddieftw> the next pitcher is on you!
[07:30] <nixternal> your buying :P
[07:30] <nixternal> gotta get a paycheck first homeskillet
[07:30] <Daskreech> Liquid?
[07:31] <nixternal> Billy Goat Tavern Dark!
[07:31]  * Daskreech listens to Chicago Rap
[07:32] <nixternal> is there a such thing?
[07:32] <nixternal> Tongue Twista was all we really had make it
[07:32] <nixternal> oh, and a couple of flameouts
[07:32] <nixternal> kanye
[07:32] <nixternal> what a joke
[07:36] <Daskreech> Lupe Fiasco
[07:37]  * nixternal beds now so he can go golfing in the morning
[07:37] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:37] <Daskreech> :-)
[07:37] <Daskreech> night
[07:37] <eddieftw> Daskreech: ive met him
[07:37] <eddieftw> we shop at the same stores ;p
[07:43] <Daskreech> eddieftw: nixternal? I wouldn't say that round here :-)
[07:46]  * Daskreech reboots into 4.1
[07:46] <eddieftw> Daskreech: lupe
[07:46] <Daskreech> see you in 20 minutes :-P
[07:46] <Daskreech> eddieftw: Neat. Sounds like someone I'd like to pick thoughts with
[08:00] <jussi01> !test
[11:10] <Riddell> freeflying: at Mandriva?
[11:14] <freeflying> Riddell: yes
[11:27] <Riddell> freeflying: what's happening there?
[11:28] <freeflying> Riddell: they had a 10 yrs anniversiry last week
[11:58] <Nightrose> re - back from linuxtag and sleep for a few hours
[11:58]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger 
[11:58] <Riddell> Nightrose: good event?
[11:58] <apachelogger> uhh, I didn't do it!
[11:58] <Nightrose> Riddell: definitely awesome
[11:58] <apachelogger> ah
[11:58] <Nightrose> will blog later
[11:58]  * apachelogger hugs Nightrose
[11:59] <Nightrose> karaoke was great and a lot of fun
[11:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: you have to join us next year
[11:59] <Nightrose> yea definitely
[12:00] <Nightrose> only bad thing was that the car we rented to get back to karlsruhe had some technical problems
[12:00] <Nightrose> so we had to switch cars on the way
[12:00] <Nightrose> which took quite some time
[12:01] <Nightrose> arrived around 4 am while we were supposed to be back around 11pm...
[12:05] <Nightrose> apachelogger: oO at sleeping at the airport ;-)
[12:05] <apachelogger> Nightrose: was \sh driving to KA?
[12:06] <Nightrose> nope sput
[12:06] <Nightrose> sh was his co-pilot :P
[12:06] <apachelogger> well, I basically did the very same as \sh :P
[12:06] <Nightrose> hehe
[12:07] <apachelogger> uhhh
[12:07] <apachelogger> Nightrose: do you have to build kdenet while I am neoning?
[12:07] <Nightrose> huh?
[12:08]  * Nightrose is not building anything
[12:08] <Nightrose> ;-)
[12:08] <apachelogger> Building i386 build of kdenetwork-kde4 4:4.0.4-0ubuntu1~hardy2~ppa6 in ubuntu hardy RELEASE [lydia-pintscher]
[12:08] <Nightrose> oO
[12:08] <apachelogger> so you broke something and LP is looping
[12:08] <apachelogger> which would explain the slowness of the last few days as well :P
[12:08] <Nightrose> meh
[12:59] <steve555> Hi everyone.
[13:00] <steve555> how is Intrepid Ibex Alpha1 shaping up?
[13:01] <sebas> depends ;-)
[13:02] <steve555> Ah I see,do you think it will be released in time for june 12th?
[13:06] <steve555> Are you having a bug-day at the same time as Ubuntu's?
[13:07] <Nightrose> steve555: we are trying to do that most of the time
[13:09] <Hobbsee> steve555: it will be the week of june 12th
[13:09] <Hobbsee> so it may be the 13th
[13:12] <steve555> Ah I see,thank you very much for the information.I am very new to I.R.C,I usually use the Kubuntu Forums if I had a problem,so I thought I might try this sort of communication out.
[13:22] <gnomefreak> steve555: best place for support to help or to get is #kubuntu if non support #kubuntu-offtopic
[13:22]  * apachelogger hands Nightrose, Hobbsee, steve555 and gnomefreak a cookie
[13:23]  * Nightrose munches the cookie
[13:23] <gnomefreak> thanks ill eat mine for lunch :)
[13:23] <apachelogger> hm, as a matter of fact... I should get something to eat
[13:24] <Nightrose> apachelogger: seen the videos yet? *g*
[13:24] <apachelogger> no
[13:24] <apachelogger> which ones?
[13:24] <Nightrose> oO
[13:24] <Nightrose> karaoke
[13:24] <apachelogger> nope
[13:24]  * apachelogger is videoless
[13:25] <steve555> thanks for the cookie apachelogger :)
[13:32] <steve555> Thanks gnomefreak  for the info,I have already joined the #kubuntu cahnnel now.
[13:53]  * seele yawns
[13:53] <seele> 'morning everyone
[13:53] <jjesse> morning seele
[14:08] <sebas> hi seele :>
[14:18] <Riddell> hmm, do we package 4.0.5?
[14:21] <Nightrose> if 4.0.80 is ready soonish I'd say no
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> If not, the fixes for the Qt 4.4-introduced bugs that made it into 4.0.5 should at least be cherrypicked/applied to our 4.0.4
[14:22] <Nightrose> true
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> Oh, and this one: http://websvn.kde.org/?rev=805916&view=rev
[14:28] <Riddell> well volunteers welcome
[14:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: why would we not package 4.0.5 if 4.0.80 is out?
[14:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger: cause 4.0.80 is what people who use 4.0.4 right now proabably want anyway
[14:35] <sebas> Depends on what changed, I'd say.
[14:35] <apachelogger> O
[14:35] <apachelogger> o
[14:35] <apachelogger> I am using 4.0.4
[14:36] <sebas> And of course people want the latest+greated, even if the version number is the only thing that changed
[14:36] <apachelogger> and I see no, but really no reason why I should switch my desktop to .80
[14:36] <sebas> 4.0.80 is not good for general consumption
[14:36] <sebas> It has lots of severe bugs.
[14:36] <Nightrose> hmmmm
[14:36] <Nightrose> ok
[14:36] <sebas> Like, my session wouldn't survive more than 30 minutes usage
[14:36] <Riddell> ooh, sebas is alive
[14:37] <sebas> Kind of, after LinuxTag :)
[14:37] <sebas> Trying to recover
[14:37] <apachelogger> hehe
[14:37] <apachelogger> sebas: everyone does ;-)
[14:37] <Riddell> sebas: I put my guidance-power-manager KDE 4 port into extragear, ok if I remove the old one that's there?
[14:37] <Nightrose> right ;-)
[14:37] <sebas> Riddell: Yes, please.
[14:37] <sebas> The old one is kde3
[14:37] <sebas> Ow, wait ... the old one is a crude port that doesn't work
[14:37] <sebas> I meant to review it, but didn't get around to it
[14:38] <Riddell> it's kde 4
[14:38] <Riddell> extragear/utils/guidance/powermanager
[14:38] <sebas> Yeah, I read the related emails, just not the code itself
[14:38] <sebas> Is it using solid?
[14:38] <Riddell> no
[14:38] <sebas> Ported to signals instead of polling?
[14:38] <Riddell> not yet
[14:39] <sebas> Ok, maybe I can help a bit with those things
[14:39] <Riddell> playground/utils/kde4powersave/ is looking promising in that respect
[14:39] <sebas> Ah, didn't see it popping up
[14:39]  * sebas is relieved that there's finally code
[14:40] <Riddell> sebas: so I can remove extragear/utils/guidance/powermanager ?
[14:43] <sebas> Yes, assuming that's not your version :)
[14:43] <sebas> Last commit on it is months ago
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> So how to I "apt-get source" from backports?
[14:45] <anirudh0> hi..i've just finished compiling kde4 svn, and i;d like to help with packages..my arch is x86..how can i do that
[14:46] <Riddell> sebas: done
[14:46] <sebas> Riddell: thanks
[14:46] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: same as anything else, make sure there's a deb-src line in sources.list
[14:46] <Riddell> anirudh0: great!
[14:47] <Riddell> anirudh0: have you made packages before?
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> I mean, how do I specify which server I get it from? a regular "apt-get source kdm-kde4" got me the 4.0.3 version of the source
[14:48] <anirudh0> Riddell, nope..but would like to :)..running ubuntu 8.04..all packages were compiled against qt-copy, following the method on techbase.kde.org
[14:48] <anirudh0> up to date as of yesterday..except kaudiocreator..which could'nt compile
[14:54] <anirudh0> ok..just saw the packaging section on the kubuntu site...will go through all the stuff on creating debs..and be back in a day or two..thanks
[14:56] <Riddell> amachu: there's a long guide at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PackagingGuide/Complete
[14:56] <Riddell> oh, he left
[14:56] <Riddell> sorry amachu
[15:09] <jjesse_> morning everyoen :)
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> hia
[15:25] <apachelogger> meh
[15:26] <apachelogger> launchpad is hindering neon+kde progress
[15:26] <apachelogger> -.-
[15:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: You picked Launchpad to host it ....
[15:27] <apachelogger> yeah, I should have used opensuse build service :S
[15:27]  * apachelogger stops work on neon+kde and switches to branch neon+obs
[15:29] <nixternal> jeesh
[15:29] <nixternal> mornin'
[15:30] <jjesse_> jeesh
[15:33] <Jucato> jjeesh?
[15:38] <jjesse_> :)
[15:38] <jjesse_> nixternal: you fix my kubuntu vm yet?
[15:40] <DreadKnight> how can i built-dep for a package using aptitude?
[15:40]  * Jucato thinks aptitude doesn't have that feature
[15:41] <DreadKnight> aham
[15:41] <DreadKnight> any way i could remove the build-dep for a specific package then?
[15:51] <jjesse_> hrmm noticed there are more updates for 4.1
[15:51] <jjesse_> wonder if that will fix things?
[15:52] <DreadKnight> jjesse_: go ahead xD
[15:54] <DreadKnight> do the package for 4.1b install without problems now?
[15:54] <DreadKnight> i messed up my distro last night and had to reinstall... im on kde3 atm
[15:55] <DreadKnight> too bad the 4.1b don't include the new theme xD
[15:55] <DreadKnight> guess is not hard to find it with ghns anyway
[16:04] <nixternal> jjesse: any luck yet? what was the issue again? did you mv or rm ~/.kde4
[16:04] <jjesse_> nixternal: i wasn't getting kdm to start
[16:04] <jjesse_> however i just did a dist-upgrade annd now it works
[16:05] <jjesse_> wlecome to debian at HOSTNAME
[16:05] <Artemis_Fowl> nixternal: heya. how are the KDE 4.1 packages doing?
[16:05] <nixternal> ya, I fixed kdm last night, there was a missing fi in the .init file
[16:05] <jjesse_> somoene forgot to change something :)
[16:05] <nixternal> Artemis_Fowl: just now starting on the kde modules
[16:05] <nixternal> I was^Wam supposed to go golfing sometime this morning^Wafternoon
[16:05] <Artemis_Fowl> nixternal: how long will it approximately take you?
[16:06] <nixternal> another day as long as it is smoother than the foundation packages
[16:06] <Artemis_Fowl> cool
[16:06] <jjesse_> nixternal: don't know if my emails to kubuntu-users ever went through, was having problems w/ smartphone, but i did agree w all you said
[16:07] <nixternal> I gave up, those people know better than I obviously...let them rant and have issues in a place where they will not get heard by devs
[16:08] <nixternal> it is getting bad again, so many ungreatful FREE software users...this was the same reason I took a 2 year break from Linux back around 2000
[16:09] <nixternal> so, if I don't just ignore it, I will end up throwing a hissy fit and walking away :)
[16:09] <nixternal> I totally enjoy people who complain, but do nothing to help anything improve
[16:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ignore userland.  it helps.
[16:13] <jjesse_> intersting the application launcher has disappeared
[16:17]  * Nightrose hugs nixternal 
[16:20] <DreadKnight> complains have their good part imo
[16:20] <DreadKnight> it's like feedback :-)
[16:25] <jjesse_> yay welcome to kde 4.devel
[16:27] <nixternal> woohoo :)
[16:27] <nixternal> build kdeadmin already..that was quick
[16:27] <jjesse_> needed to delete my .kde4 directory to get my desktop back and correct
[16:27] <nixternal> I still think there needs to be some tweaks to the core packages
[16:27] <jjesse_> didn't have the application launcher and other issues, but things are working
[16:27] <nixternal> jjesse_: ya, I had to do that as well
[16:27] <nixternal> some people didn't though
[16:28] <DreadKnight> i had some issues last night
[16:28] <DreadKnight> like when trying to save something or upload something in firefox
[16:28] <DreadKnight> the file chooser window was crashing FF
[16:29] <DreadKnight> and i couldn't run apps under wine
[16:29] <jjesse> the window borders are different?
[16:29] <nixternal> blue?
[16:29] <jjesse> yeah
[16:29] <DreadKnight> i had them blue as well
[16:29] <jjesse> they look a little windows 3.1 as well
[16:29] <nixternal> and I think that is changing again, which totally ruins the current set of complete docs with screenshots
[16:30] <jjesse> nixternal: did you get that kget handbook changes that i made
[16:30] <jjesse> i think i sent you a .dockbook file
[16:30] <DreadKnight> anyway, there is a new kde4 default theme now... xD (not in this packages ...)
[16:30] <nixternal> ya, I will upload them in a bit
[16:30] <nixternal> ya, that new theme is gorgeous if you ask me, at least what I saw in the screenshots
[16:30] <nixternal> my pbuilder crashed yet again
[16:31] <DreadKnight> looks awsome, except the clock xD
[16:31] <DreadKnight> the analog one i mean
[16:31] <nixternal> I don't use the clocks anyways...all of those analog clocks were created as a joke in the first place, an ongoing joke at that
[16:31] <DreadKnight> :-)
[16:31] <nixternal> ya, the analog ones
[16:31] <jjesse> the "default" theme?
[16:32] <nixternal> I like Wade's current blog post with the last image having all of the neon clocks..that was funny right there :)
[16:32] <nixternal> jjesse: ya, they are changing the theme again...check planetkde.org to see pics of it
[16:32] <DreadKnight> the clock on vista had a nice effect when tongues where moving.. a slight back and forward bounce... wonder if the plasma clocks have that as well
[16:33] <DreadKnight> that effect is a very nice realistic touch :-)
[16:33] <nixternal> you can add it easily though
[16:33] <DreadKnight> (provided tongues move/snap from time to time, not continuous movement)
[16:33] <DreadKnight> i'm not a coder
[16:34] <DreadKnight> you're talking about an already config option? :P
[16:34] <nixternal> nah, probably 1 or 2 lines of code to add that feature though
[16:35] <DreadKnight> :-)
[17:05] <nixternal> there is something in kde4.1 that causes my one desktop to constantly lock up
[17:06] <nixternal> I always thought it was just svn, but now I know it isn't, as the packages also lock up the machine
[17:06] <Riddell> working ok here
[17:06] <nixternal> ya, I have a hardware issue I believe
[17:06] <nixternal> it works on my lappy just fine
[17:07] <nixternal> another reason I believe it is hardware (possibly cpu) is because gcc will segfault when compiling every now and then as well
[17:09] <nixternal> Riddell: you were not joking when you said doing these packages would be a lot of work
[17:11] <Riddell> mm hmm
[17:11] <Riddell> how far have you got?
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: awesome work on these packages... they are FAST!
[17:14] <nixternal> Riddell: finished libs, pimlibs, and base*
[17:14] <nixternal> working on kdeadmin now
[17:14] <nixternal> the other modules shouldn't be to difficult
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: guess i'm jumping the gun a bit... but  i
[17:14] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: ya, I noticed a whicked speed improvement
[17:14] <nosrednaekim> m loving kde4
[17:14] <nixternal> ditto :)
[17:15] <nixternal> I love its Vista look :P
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> especially in dolphin and anything involving icons/ scrolling
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> heh
[17:16] <Riddell> nixternal: are those uploaded?
[17:16] <nixternal> Riddell: yes, people are already testing out those packages
[17:16] <Riddell> nixternal: ready for an announcement?
[17:16] <nixternal> not yet
[17:17] <nixternal> possibly tomorrow
[17:17] <nixternal> I have a group of people testing them right now
[17:17] <nixternal> thus far, I think I worked out a majority of the issues with installing (especially kdebase-workspace)
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: BTW.... I had an error on installing workspace-bin... a ksm manual page it looked like
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> I just forced an overwrite
[17:19] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: ya, that was fixed
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> ok, great, that was the only problem I had.
[17:22] <nixternal> Riddell: do all of the kde 4.1 beta1 packages need automoc?
[17:22] <nixternal> nevermind, that wasn't the question I wanted to ask, that was all wrong
[17:23] <nixternal> and now I can't remember the question I was going to ask
[17:30] <DreadKnight> how the heck to make a show desktop icon in kde4 or what's the hotkey for that?
[17:42] <DreadKnight> omg
[17:42] <DreadKnight> here i am again installing kde4 xD
[17:57] <jjesse> mmm i like lunch
[17:59] <harolddong> I can set my resolution as high as 1024x768
[18:00] <harolddong> is that intended?
[18:00] <Riddell> we're not X developers
[18:02] <harolddong> so if I can only set my res to 1024x768 in the kubuntu kde 4.80 builds its an X issue?
[18:02] <harolddong> cause in kde 3 I can set it as high as I want
[18:06] <Riddell> kde shouldn't touch your resolution
[18:07] <ScottK> Riddell: It could potentiall be a tool issue though.
[18:07] <ScottK> harolddong: How are you trying to change the resolution?
[18:08] <harolddong> system settings/display
[18:10] <ScottK> Riddell: What tool is that in KDE4?  Is it still Guidance?
[18:11] <harolddong> I mean it seems like the setting is there to change the resolution its just that the highest available setting is 1024x768
[18:11] <harolddong> should I be doing it another way?
[18:12] <harolddong> I just didnt know if it was supposed to be like that or not
[18:15] <nixternal> jjesse: gotta a KDE 4.1 doc task if you are interested :)
[18:15] <ScottK> harolddong: Just to be clear, it works with KDE3 and not with KDE4.  Is that right?
[18:16] <jjesse> nixternal: sure can you send it via email, not really paying attention
[18:16] <harolddong> yes scott
[18:16] <nixternal> jjesse: just messin' with ya, it is a biggon actually
[18:17] <nixternal> convert plasma docs -> docbook within the next couple of hours
[18:17] <nixternal> ie. plain text to docbook
[18:17] <jjesse> within the next couple of hours?
[18:17] <harolddong> I havent tried changing it to a lower res in kde4 though, I just left it at 1024x768
[18:18] <nixternal> jjesse: ya, cuz the freeze is just a few hours away
[18:18] <jjesse> wow i don't know if i can do it in a couple o hours
[18:19] <harolddong> also is there way to change the thickness of the panel? am I just missing it?  the arrows seem to change the length just fine but I dont see a way to change the thickness
[18:25] <jjesse> nixternal: where is this plasma guide you speak of located?
[18:25] <jjesse> how much work is it?
[18:25] <daskreech> sebas?
[18:25] <daskreech> I'm writing one too
[18:25] <daskreech> wikibooks
[18:25]  * daskreech shuts up and lets nixternal speak
[18:26] <jjesse> Daskreech: you are writing one for the kde docs?
[18:26] <nixternal> jjesse: waiting for it to get emailed to me
[18:26] <daskreech> No :) External
[18:26] <daskreech> nixternal: send me a copy :)
[18:26] <jjesse> nixternal: i might be able to work on it today
[18:26] <nixternal> when it is uploaded to svn, you can get it then :)
[18:26] <daskreech> :-p
[18:26] <daskreech> Should be looking into the systemsettings password as well while i'm there
[18:27] <daskreech> no idea why that doesn't work but can't be too hard a fix
[18:37] <smarter> Riddell: ping
[18:57] <Nightrose> nixternal: you can resize the panel by dragging the top of it to the size you want
[19:03] <daskreech> what did I miss on the plasma docs?
[19:03] <jjesse> did nixternal upload them to svn ?
[19:03] <jjesse> that's the last i heard
[19:03] <daskreech> >_<
[19:03] <daskreech> kmail is making a full dupliacte of my inbox
[19:03] <daskreech> that's over 3000 messages
[19:04] <jjesse> that's a bummer
[19:04] <nixternal> woohoooo!!!!!!
[19:04] <nixternal> and the job offer just came in :)
[19:04] <jjesse> yay for a job
[19:05] <jjesse> hopefully that means you will get paid :)
[19:05] <nixternal> oh ya baby :)
[19:05] <jjesse> now you can buy me dinner next time im in town
[19:05] <eddieftw> meaning nixternal and i can have lunch jjesse
[19:05] <eddieftw> and he's buying!
[19:05] <nixternal> yup, start Monday
[19:05] <jjesse> i heard hes' buying for the whole channel
[19:05] <nixternal> nevah!
[19:06] <eddieftw> jjesse: he's giving out free money too
[19:06] <jjesse> wahoo
[19:06] <jjesse> the better question is did he uplaod that doc to svn?
[19:07] <nixternal> haven't gotten via email yet...still waiting for it
[19:08] <nixternal> once I get the doc, I will do the conversions and then rock and roll on it
[19:17] <eddieftw> off to work. nixternal ping me if you want to break my computer again later with testing ;p
[19:24] <daskreech> !nixternal
[19:28] <daskreech> Note All free money also comes with Kicks up the Butt on k-users mailing list
[19:32] <daskreech> nosrednaekim: is it there yet?
[19:33] <nosrednaekim> oh yeah... its here :)
[19:34] <nosrednaekim> in beatiful multi-panel splendor..
[19:48] <jjesse> nixternal: upon install of kde 4.1 stuff it removed kget-kde4 and knewsticker-kde4 which i was trying to document due to libplasma1 not being installed
[19:52] <seele> Riddell: who was fixing the kde4 system settings ui?
[19:55] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: yeah... installing 4.1 will remove all 4.0.x packages
[19:56] <smarter> It's just me or the apt protocol doesn't work at all with konqueror
[19:56] <smarter> ?
[19:56] <Arby_> mhb: around?
[19:57] <daskreech> seele: fixing?
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> "Jon wants to open the letter that Krissy has written. He finds it in her shared folder and opens it."
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> pretty obvious who write that one ^^
[19:59] <seele> daskreech: there is a bunch of visual stuff that changed between the 3.5.9 version and current 4 version that made it worse, and we are merging the two tabs together
[19:59] <daskreech> hmm ok
[20:11] <jjesse> nosrednaekim: who wrote taht one? JR?
[20:13] <nosrednaekim> yeah :)
[20:23] <Serega> hi folks
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> hey Serega
[20:26] <Serega> nosrednaekim: hey. I miss you all. There is too silent after release :)
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> :)
[20:32] <yuriy> hi Serega, you did kaffeine codec install right?
[20:33] <Serega> hi yuriy, yes it was me
[20:34] <yuriy> Serega: have you seen bug 209534?
[20:34] <Serega> yuriy: nope. thanks for pointing!
[20:34] <yuriy> and a few others
[20:34] <yuriy> Serega: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=kaffeine+codec&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[20:35] <yuriy> sorry for long link
[20:35] <Serega> np
[20:36] <Serega> 209534 looks like a missed package dependency
[20:37] <yuriy> ah, yes, looks like stdin already figured it out, see bug 234998
[20:37] <daskreech> Question
[20:37] <daskreech> for kde4 can we have phonon do the codec install?
[20:38] <Serega> yuriy: 222265 & pals is due to Riddell was forced to remove libdvdcss autoinstallation
[20:39] <Serega> daskreech: hi, question to me?
[20:39] <daskreech> Serega: I guess
[20:39] <Serega> shhot
[20:39] <Serega> shoot
[20:39] <daskreech> just seems to make sense to me to have the code once in the underlying code
[20:39] <yuriy> Serega: if that's the case, could you comment on the report and close if appropriate since you know what's going on there?
[20:40] <daskreech> So any player used by the end user asks for codecs and it gets installed
[20:40] <daskreech> No idea if that's reasonable or possible though
[20:41] <Serega> yuriy: ok. How it is going usually? Do developers periodically search launchpad for bugs in their code?
[20:41] <yuriy> Serega: though it does sound like there's a bug there if it is trying to install it and failing
[20:41] <yuriy> Serega: well, that's the idea :P
[20:41] <yuriy> or, better, subscribe to bugs for your software
[20:42] <Serega> daskreech: do you mean to change libxine, mplayer and vlc? it is not a bad idea, but I believe it must be done at the debian level
[20:43] <Serega> yuriy: thanks :)
[20:49] <yuriy> Serega: i could assign kaffeine codec installation bugs to you if/when I run across them if you want
[20:52] <Serega> yuriy: I would be very good thanks. I also will find a way to subscribe to there bugs.
[20:53] <yuriy> Serega: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kaffeine/+subscribe will get you all kaffeine bugs. it's not too noisy compared to some other stuff but there will certainly be some stuff you don't want to hear about
[20:56] <Serega> cool
[20:57]  * Serega is subscribed now
[21:26] <freeflying> ls
[21:27] <daskreech> ls -a
[21:28] <daskreech> some of us are more shy than others
[21:28] <eddieftw> ?
[21:36] <santiago-ve> ls -lahR :D and some aren't
[21:38] <daskreech> santiago-ve: Woah woah don't go searching all up in the chan!
[21:40] <a|wen> ScottK: around?
[21:40] <ScottK> vaguely
[21:41] <daskreech> cause when he sits around the house he vaguely sits around the house
[21:41] <a|wen> ScottK: okay ... I've added some more to the kde-guidance patch i'm working on; do you think you have time to look at it some time?
[21:43] <ScottK> Yes, but probably not today.
[21:44] <a|wen> okay ... if you've time sometime within the next few days, that's no problem too; would very much like to have time for an SRU so it can be in 8.04.1
[21:45] <a|wen> ScottK: it's here http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu18.debdiff
[21:47] <a|wen> ScottK: i'm planning on attending the meeting on wednesday, so in any case you'll be able to catch me around that time if you have some comments ... (or you're welcome to shoot me a mail)
[21:49] <ScottK> Will do.
[21:50] <a|wen> ScottK: thanks a lot