[00:00] <root> ok gracias
[00:00] <millak> I was trying to get the webcam on my laptop to work
[00:00] <theFATMAN> for some reason my menus are fully transparent and sub menus are overlapping the parent menus....how do I fix this?
[00:01] <root> todos son unos mialditos cabrones esepto los que hablan español los que no me chingo a su mama
[00:01] <nixternal> root: it is really a bad idea to be logged in as root and on irc as root
[00:01] <nixternal> root: #kubuntu-es
[00:01] <nixternal> I can read a little bit of spanish :)
[00:01] <nixternal> I do live in Chicago
[00:02] <shaffy> does anyone know of a program that downloads webpages for offline viewing later?
[00:04] <theFATMAN> for some reason my menus are fully transparent and sub menus are overlapping the parent menus....how do I fix this?
[00:07] <HollowPoint> are you using compiz?
[00:08] <HollowPoint> or just been playing around in system preferences?
[00:09] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: compiz-fusion
[00:09] <HollowPoint> have you got the configuration editor installed?
[00:09] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: i have went from compiz to kwin, and it does the same regardless
[00:09] <HollowPoint> ok then it is in your system preferences
[00:10] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: where?
[00:11] <HollowPoint> go to K Menu > System Settings > Appearance > Style
[00:11] <theFATMAN> k, brb
[00:11] <theFATMAN> it's a little hard to do now, lol
[00:12] <theFATMAN> ok, there, is it the effects tab?
[00:12] <theFATMAN> i see it
[00:13] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: whats the 'rubberband' effect?
[00:13] <Gibby69> Anyone know how to resize the sign in screen at boot up
[00:13] <millak> I foolishly installed some unfinished drivers for my webcam and now things don't work so well... how can I uninstall them?
[00:15] <ubuntu_> Hey, I just installed Kubuntu Hardy, and it looks like grub installed on the wrong hard drive.. How do I fix this?
[00:19] <harolddong> do you mean that you get an error 22 when you try to boot?
[00:19] <ubuntu_> No, I just boot up to exactly the same grub menu that was there before I installed.
[00:19] <ubuntu_> And all the data on the other hard drive disappeared..
[00:20] <shaffy> does anyone know of a program that downloads webpages for offline viewing?
[00:22] <Jucato> shaffy: Konqueror for KDE 3 has one. If konq-plugins is installed (it should be by default), you should have a Tools -> Archive Web Page entry
[00:22] <Jucato> (oh KDE 4 has one too, but I haven't tested it)
[00:23] <azzco> Does anyone have any idea why my mouse won't move when I hold down a non-modifier key?
[00:24]  * azzco feels like he add that he has tried with more than one keyboard
[00:25] <shaffy> Jucato: thanks.  much appreciated :)
[00:34] <The_Real_Hollow_> nick HollowPoint
[00:34] <The_Real_Hollow_> damnit
[00:34] <joshual> hey folks, anyone running on a preinstalled ubuntu dell 1525 N ?
[00:39] <BluesKaj> joshual, you might try the #ubuntu chat
[00:45] <birnisson> hi, does anybody know when amarok 2.0 will be released?
[00:46] <Odd-rationale> birnisson: when it is ready
[00:46] <birnisson> Odd-rationale: heh, so no roadmap set?
[00:46] <HollowPoint> why whats wrong with amarok as it is? lol
[00:46] <Odd-rationale> birnisson: i dont think amarok 2 has a release date...
[00:46] <birnisson> Odd-rationale: all right, tnx
[00:46] <Odd-rationale> np
[00:47] <birnisson> HollowPoint: nothing really, I just like the bling of 2.0
[00:47] <HollowPoint> lol fair play
[00:47] <Odd-rationale> i'm actually beginning to like moc...
[00:47] <HollowPoint> haven't seen 2.0 yet
[00:47] <HollowPoint> moc...?
[00:48] <Odd-rationale> HollowPoint: music on console
[00:48] <HollowPoint> aaaaaaaaaah
[00:49] <HollowPoint> yeah I suppose, I like Amarok though, can just shove stuff in the playlist and carry on working
[00:51] <Odd-rationale> then cool thing with moc is that it daemonizes (similar to mpd). so you could close it, restart X, and the music will still keep playing...
[00:52] <HollowPoint> true
[00:52] <HollowPoint> I don't restart X often though
[00:52] <HollowPoint> would be cool to use during a Gentoo build I suppose
[00:53] <tinin> How do I disable compiz effects from starting with each kde session?
[00:53] <HollowPoint> open up a console, type kwin --replace & then reboot
[00:53] <mm_> hola
[00:53] <tinin> yeah
[00:53] <tinin> but I will need o do this each time
[00:53] <mm_> donde puedo ir a un chat en español ????
[00:54] <tinin> mm_ #kubuntu_es
[00:54] <HollowPoint> nah it should remember the window manager you were using when you exited
[00:54] <tinin> perdon
[00:54] <tinin> mm_ #kubuntu-es
[00:54] <mm_> este programa como se congihuraria ....
[00:54] <tinin> entra ahi
[00:55] <mm_> que bueno , gracias
[01:08] <LolKitteh_> I'm trying to configure the wifi on Kub 8.04 desktop. Network settings in system settings seems totally buggered, what's best way to configure wifi with WEP auth please? any link to doc will do :-)
[01:10] <Jucato> LolKitteh_: K Menu -> Internet -> KNetworkManager. if it's running already, it should have an icon in the system tray. right-click (or click) to configure
[01:11] <mmmiiikkkeee> ﻿I am having trouble setting up Kdevelop.  What is the best channel to ask for help with that in?
[01:12] <Jucato> mmmiiikkkeee: #kdevelop
[01:12] <LolKitteh_> thank you Jucato - I tried that but nothing is launched
[01:12] <mmmiiikkkeee> Jucato: ok thanks
[01:13] <LolKitteh_> If I run knetworkmanager from the command line, same thing
[01:13] <edsonw> Brasil
[01:13] <edsonw> é nóis na fita
[01:13] <LolKitteh_> no error, no nothing, nothing happens
[01:13] <edsonw> hehe
[01:13] <LolKitteh_> Used KDE3 by the way
[01:14] <Jucato> !br | edsonw
[01:14] <nubotu> edsonw: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[01:14] <Jucato> LolKitteh_: press Ctrl+Esc and see if it's already running
[01:15] <LolKitteh_> yep it is, should I kill it?
[01:16] <HollowPoint> can you not see the icon in the bottom right hand corner (System tray)
[01:16] <LolKitteh_> ah ok I saw the icon in the
[01:16] <LolKitteh_> right corner
[01:17] <LolKitteh_> says 'no active device'
[01:17] <HollowPoint> right click on that you should see an option in one of the menus to activate wireless?
[01:17] <LolKitteh_> ok, one sec, righit clicked it
[01:17] <LolKitteh_> yes, thanks HollowPoint I'll get back to you in a sec, I;m seeing the light now ;-)
[01:17] <HollowPoint> :D
[01:25] <LolKitteh_> HollowPoint, Jucato thanks, wifi now working :-)
[01:25] <HollowPoint> well done mate
[01:25] <LolKitteh_> sorry. yeah, haven't used Linux for a while, things have changed ;-)
[01:26] <HollowPoint> I know that feeling, I left it for a couple of years and during that time became a Senior Windows Engineer, when I came back things were very different lol
[01:28] <LolKitteh_> ha ha - yeah, I got lazy cause had to use windows...
[01:32] <HollowPoint> well I became a Senior Windows Engineer which meant I spent pretty much 95% of my time in Windows Desktops and Servers trying to fix problems, when I came back to Linux I was a bit lost. Now I'm back using Linux Exclusively at home and thinking about changing careers to Linux Engineer instead
[01:43] <tefloncj> Having a problem with knetworkmanager (pretty certain that others have had this - but I can't think of the google search terms for this).   We  can hook in through manual connections ... can hook up a wired connection through manual configuration.  The problem is, we can NOT auto-detect local wireless networks and hook in to them.  I think that the configuration got messed up, but I'm not sure how/what was done (the laptop owner do
[01:49] <mabarahona> buenas
[01:50] <NickPresta> !es | mabarahona
[01:50] <nubotu> mabarahona: Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[01:50] <saint__> yes banana's for all!
[01:52] <mmmiiikkkeee> Jucato: And if no-one responds to my question in #kdevelop where should I ask?
[01:52] <TZM> tefloncj: Have you ever had wireless working on that computer? And is it Hardy or a previous version?
[01:52] <brad_> hey I'm trying to help my friend get his computer set up, and when I tried it out the wireless worked
[01:52] <brad_> but now he can't get it to connect
[01:53] <brad_> and ifconfig shows wlan0, but when he does ifup -v wlan0 it says it is ignoring unknown device and nothing else
[01:53] <Jucato> mmmiiikkkeee: um.. wait?
[01:53] <Jucato> mmmiiikkkeee: but what problem are you having?
[01:53] <mmmiiikkkeee> ﻿I am trying to get  KDevelop to do automatic code completion.  I Have the check box checked under the C++ support tab in project settings, but it does not seem to do what I had expected.  Nothing is automatic, but if i press CTRL+SPACE I get completion to work.  I have been following the guide at http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development   to set up kdevelop. This is the only problem I have had 
[01:53] <tefloncj> TZM - This laptop is running gutsy.  Wireless did work in the past
[01:54] <TZM> brad_; How about "sudo ifup wlan0"?
[01:54] <Jucato> mmmiiikkkeee: um.. I guess you'll really have to wait for an answer there. or ask if someone's using kdevelop in here
[01:55] <TZM> tefloncj: OK well please give more details/clues--when did it break? What were the circumstances? (e.g upgrades, etc)
[01:55] <tefloncj> hang on - must ask the laptop owner
[01:55] <brad_> oops I mean sudo ifup says ignoring device, sudo ifdown says device not configured (which I know is what it generally says if you've already done ifdown)
[01:56] <mmmiiikkkeee> Jucato: ok thanks for your help though
[01:56] <TZM> brad_: After doing the sudo ifdown wlan0, did you then try the "sudo ifup wlan0"? Sometimes I have to "ifdown" before I can "ifup" even though it might seem I'm disconnected to begin with.
[01:58] <brad_> tzm: I had him down both and ifup only says it is an unknown device, yet on ifconfig it shows wlan0 as being there...on network interfaces in kinfo it does not show wlan0 and only shows lo
[01:59] <TZM> brad_: OK instead do "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up" and then "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[01:59] <tefloncj> TZM: About a month ago, the machine owner was trying to hook in to a network.  Network owners couldn't tell him what encryption the wireless net was set for.   He went into knetwork manager's manual configuration settings to try and crowbar the settings in to place to hook in to said network.  After that point, auto-detection of wireless points did not work.  He can still hook in to wired points through manual connection.  Can not 
[02:02] <TZM> tefloncj: Can he do a "sudo iwlist wlan0 scan" and pick up any wifi APs?
[02:03] <tefloncj> stand by ... trying that
[02:03] <HollowPoint> what does the /etc/network/interfaces file look like?
[02:03] <TZM> tefloncj: Make sure he replaces "wlan0" with his wireless interface...\
[02:04] <tefloncj> iwlist does detect local networks (whythehelldidn't *I* try that??)
[02:05] <tefloncj> and /etc/network/interfaces ... for the interface in question ... iface eth1 inet dhcp
[02:05] <tefloncj> which matches the others
[02:05] <TZM> HollowPoint: That /etc/network/interfaces file is only necessary for ifup/ifdown. You don't have to have your interface configured in it to use networking successfully.
[02:05] <HollowPoint> yes but the knetwork manager will NOT auto find wifi networks if there is anything in that file other than lo
[02:06] <tefloncj> hollowpoint -- interfaces has entries for eth0, eth1, and wlan0 --all set for DHCP
[02:06] <brad_> TCM: that said device restarting, but on ifup it still says unknown dvice
[02:06] <HollowPoint> I have two seperate interfaces files which I have to swap between on my notebook, one for normal operation with just lo named which allows knetwork manager to search for wifi networks
[02:07] <HollowPoint> and one that has all my interfaces including some Taps and a bridge named for virtualbox networking, basically if I have anything other than lo named in the interfaces file knetworkmanager will not find wifi networks in the GUI
[02:08] <tefloncj> hollowpoint -- am trying your suggestion - just backed up interfaces
[02:08] <TZM> HollowPoint: Actually that's not true--my wlan0 is in interfaces and I can use knetworkmanager fine. But I know what you are talking about--I've read that and been told that, just that my experience proves different.
[02:08] <HollowPoint> you'll pretty much need to stop networking (NOT RESTART) then create a /etc/network/interfaces file with just lo in it, then start networking and you should find it'll allow you to find wifi networks
[02:08] <HollowPoint> which version are you using TZM?
[02:08] <HollowPoint> of Kubuntu I mean?
[02:09] <TZM> HollowPoint: Hardy.
[02:10] <HollowPoint> same as me then, I haven't tried it since I moved to Hardy because it refused to work in Gutsy
[02:10] <HollowPoint> I know they've updated knetworkmanager so maybe it works better in Hardy?
[02:10] <TZM> brad_: Well you can't use ifup/ifdown unless your wireless interface is in /etc/network/interfaces.
[02:11] <HollowPoint> you can because Kubuntu automatically creates the interface on boot depending on what hardware it finds, it won't however automatically (Neccessarily) write it to interfaces
[02:12] <TZM> HollowPoint: I don't know--I've never resolved whether having an NIC listed in interfaces interferes with knetworkmanager, because like I said, for me it doesn't, but I've heard of some people who have that problem.
[02:13] <HollowPoint> might be that you have exceptionally functional hardware/drivers that allow you to do that
[02:13] <HollowPoint> I'm only spitballing here I don't know that for sure
[02:14] <TZM> HollowPoint: Yes, could be Linux voodoo that I'm unaware of. I don't pretend to be an expert on networking in Linux, but I've learned alot in my quest to keep my networking actually working. :)
[02:14] <HollowPoint> one thing I have experienced previously was if I set an interface in the interfaces file to dhcp I could edit it in KNetworkManager but the changes would have no effect, whereas if I set it to manual KNetworkManager worked fine, all except my wireless that is which won't work at all if I name it in interfaces
[02:15] <hellhound> when i am given a browse for file option i notice alot of cool links on the left hand side such as download, pictures videos and templates.... is there a way to change the link to these shortcuts to point to a different location?
[02:15] <teflonc1> HollowPoint -- Thanks!  Worked!
[02:15] <TZM> HollowPoint: I think you may have hit the nail on the head--I forgot mention my wlan0 is configured for a static IP right now, so maybe that's why it exists peacefully in the interfaces file without interfering with knetworkmanager.
[02:15] <HollowPoint> Yeah I know what you mean, I'm an I.T. engineer by trade but I work with Windows machines mostly, I do get some Linux/Unix servers if I'm lucky but lately my job has moved more towards Cisco networking than anything else, has given me a great understanding of the problems between guis and configuration files
[02:16] <HollowPoint> no problem teflonc
[02:16] <HollowPoint> quite possible TZM
[02:18] <TZM> HollowPoint: I really wish there was some definitive documentation somewhere that made stuff like this clear. Have you ever seen it clearly explained anywhere?
[02:19] <HollowPoint> no I haven't, I learnt the hard way (As we all do with Linux) by trying to configure Host networking in Virtualbox
[02:19] <TZM> brad_: Where are you at right now? Is it still not working?
 HollowPoint -- Thanks!  Worked!
[02:20] <HollowPoint> then he left lol
[02:20] <TZM> HollowPoint: Not teflonc1, the other guy brad_. :)
[02:20] <HollowPoint> ah ok
[02:20] <HollowPoint> two with the same problem?
[02:21] <TZM> HollowPoint: Similar I think.
[02:23] <brad_> TZM: on the phone with my friend
[02:26] <navetz> can someone please tell me how to restart my keyboard without restarting x
[02:26] <Dr_willis> navetz,  usb? if so unplug it. wait a few sec plug ig back in..
[02:26] <Dr_willis> not sure why you need to restart a keyboard however....
[02:27] <TZM> HollowPoint: So what do think is the best way to "ifup/ifdown" a wireless card configured in knetworkmanager, given that it won't be in the interfaces file? I know of one way that works for me, but I'm not sure if it is the "official" method.
[02:28] <HollowPoint> lol no idea what the official method is but in Hardy I try not to use the command line for wireless, I tend to use Knetworkmanager instead
[02:28] <navetz> Dr_willis; it is on my laptop , and vmware stole my ctrl and shift keuys
[02:28] <navetz> keys
[02:28] <HollowPoint> I usually do "ifconfig wlan0 up"
[02:28] <HollowPoint> if all I want to do is bring it up after it's been configured in /etc/network/interfaces
[02:29] <Dr_willis> navetz,  thats weird.. I dont know of any way to reset it then.  Perhaps restarting vmware, and entering/leaving a virtual machine will  set them back.
[02:29] <HollowPoint> if I'm using knetworkmanager I just use the enable interface button
[02:30] <TZM> HollowPoint: for some reason "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up" is not enough for my NIC; I have to then do "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" to get it working again..
[02:30] <navetz> Dr_willis; i have tried, it only seems to fix when i log out and log back in.
[02:30] <brad_> TZM: I had him add wlan0 to /etc/network/interfaces and now ifup works, but it isn't finding any networks even with iwlist wlan0 scan, despite the fact that a windows computer sitting next to it shows a strong connection
[02:31] <hellhound> when i am given a browse for file option i notice alot of cool links on the left hand side such as download, pictures videos and templates.... is there a way to change the link to these shortcuts to point to a different location?
[02:31] <HollowPoint> well technically speaking you should really do it in the following sequence
[02:31] <HollowPoint> ifconfig wlan0 down
[02:31] <HollowPoint> nano /etc/network/interfaces
[02:31] <HollowPoint> ifconfig wlan0 up
[02:32] <HollowPoint> the /etc/init.d/networking restart command is a little vague and shouldn't really be used
[02:32] <HollowPoint> whoops left a bit out lol
[02:32] <HollowPoint> ifconfig wlan0 down
[02:32] <TZM> brad_: did he do "sudo iwlist wlan0 scan"? It's important to run it as root or it just returns the last cached results.
[02:32] <HollowPoint> ./etc/init.d/networking stop
[02:32] <HollowPoint> nano /etc/network/interfaces
[02:32] <HollowPoint> ./etc/init.d/networking start
[02:33] <HollowPoint> ifconfig wlan0 up
[02:33] <brad_> TZM: yeah he ran it as root...and it doesnt show it on the general list of networks
[02:33] <HollowPoint> the restart command has several flaws, much better (Although annoying) to stop networking, make changes, then start networking again
[02:34] <charlie5> hi guys ... after a fresh install of hardy,  i used the restricted drivers panel icon to install nvidia drivers, and on reboot X wouldn't start ... should i try to install nvidia drivers via adept ?
[02:34] <TZM> HollowPoint: Isn't it enough to just do the /etc/init.d/networking stop, and then /etc/init.d/networking start then? why nano the interfaces file?
[02:35] <HollowPoint> well was just giving an example of what I do when I'm editing anything in networking
[02:35] <HollowPoint> if you're not changing something in the interfaces file you don't need to open it
[02:35] <TZM> HollowPoint: What are you changing then in interfaces?
[02:35] <HollowPoint> I thought you meant the best way to start the interface after making a change in the interfaces file
[02:36] <HollowPoint> all depends, if I'm using my laptop and I've gone to a customers site I might be removing a static IP address, changing the interface to DHCP or manual, I might be changing back to my blank interfaces file which only has the lo interface detailed etc
[02:37] <HollowPoint> half my time lately gets spent using Putty in Serial mode to console into a router or firewall and then having to test the connectivity of it, sometimes those firewalls/routers have dhcp, sometimes they don't etc, you never know
[02:37] <TZM> HollowPoint: OK, I actually didn't mean that. I just meant if the NIC is not in interfaces (which it can't if you want to use DHCP and knetworkmanager I believe), how would you stop/restart wlan0 from the CLI?
[02:37] <HollowPoint> ifconfig wlan0 down > ifconfig wlan0 up most likely, as long as it wasn't detailed in interfaces, I hadn't changed anything in interfaces etc
[02:38] <HollowPoint> but like I said I wouldn't do it in CLI if I was using knetworkmanager
[02:38] <__killerfox__> Is there any known bug with the latest QT library and Kopete?
[02:38] <HollowPoint> I'd use the enable interface button in knetworkmanager
[02:38] <TZM> HollowPoint: That's what I read, but like I mentioned, I have to do the additional /etc/init.d/networking restart to actually get mine going.
[02:38] <HollowPoint> __killerfox__ don't use kopete ?
[02:39] <__killerfox__> so there is a bug?
[02:39] <HollowPoint> lol no I just said don't use it
[02:39] <HollowPoint> are you using it for MSN or something else?
[02:39] <HollowPoint> yeah I know what you mean TZM
[02:39] <HollowPoint> it's something that used to annoy me regularly
[02:39] <__killerfox__> I'm using it for MSN, AOL, IRC & Gtalk
[02:40] <HollowPoint> when knetworkmanager wasn't upto the job etc back in the days of Feisty
[02:40] <HollowPoint> for MSN use aMSN, much better program, there are others out there for AOL, and GTalk and as for IRC just use Konversation instead
[02:40] <HollowPoint> I'm not a fan of Kopete
[02:41] <TZM> brad_: Can you give any more details of what changed or might have caused your friend's wireless to stop working? (installs, upgrades, etc)
[02:41] <__killerfox__> mhhhh I see
[02:41] <HollowPoint> aMSN is in the repos and Konversation should be pre-installed if you're on Kubuntu
[02:42] <brad_> TZM: Kubuntu was installed for the first time, no changes have been made since it worked for me when I tested it after install
[02:42] <HollowPoint> when you tested it after install the wifi worked?
[02:42] <TZM> brad_: So your friend doesn't know what changed or what he might have changed to cause it to all of the sudden not work?
[02:42] <charlie5> so, could the resticted drivers setup in kubu be buggy for nvidia ?
[02:43] <hellhound> does anyone know how to change the locations for some of the preloaded links on the "Quick Access Panel" of the "Save and Open dialog windows"?
[02:44] <brad_> TZM: it never worked for him, when he first booted it up it briefly showed a connection and wouldnt go past 28% then failed to connect, nothing has made the network show again
[02:45] <Grower> всем привет!
[02:45] <Grower> ктонибуть может помочь с xamp ом ?
[02:46] <mr--t> !ru
[02:46] <nubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[02:46] <Grower> проблемка в след,пытаюсь заинсталить пхп скрипт а мне пишет в ответ http://paste.org.ru/?uxj8ah
[02:46] <TZM> brad_: You have me confused--you say it worked fine for you after the install, but that it never worked for him?
[02:48] <brad_> TZM: thats what I don't understand, when I installed it at my house it connected and worked fine, I gave him the computer, and it has not worked, he does not know anything about computers and has not changed anything
[02:48] <brad_> TZM: but I only connected very briefly and know wireless often acts screwy
[02:49] <TZM> brad_: What did you do to get it working? ndiswrapper? madwifi? bcm43xx? b43?
[02:52] <TZM> brad_: ...Or did it work "out-of-the-box"?
[02:52] <brad_> TZM: it worked out of the box
[02:54] <mr--t> did you test it or just see the icon?
[02:54] <TZM> brad_: Like you said before, it may be that it seemed like it was working fine but really wasn't.
[02:55] <HollowPoint> did you actually manager to transfer a file or bring up an internet page or anything or just saw it connect and assumed it worked/
[02:55] <HollowPoint> ?
[02:55] <theFATMAN> ok, an image popped up from a website, filled the whole screen, how do i close it?
[02:55] <brad_> TZM: I have no more ideas and am giving up, thank you for the help though
[02:56] <TZM> brad__: No problem, too bad you two couldn't get it working.
[02:57] <HollowPoint> FATMAN bring up a console, type sudo top, look for firefox/konquerer whatever browser you were using and find it's PID, then while in top press k it will prompt for a PID, type in the PID of the program and presto, program closed, don't do this for everything but for a web browser should be fine
[02:57] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: is there another option?
[02:58] <NickPresta> theFATMAN, is there any data in your browser which you don't want to loose right now?
[02:58] <theFATMAN> NickPresta: the browser is closed, mate
[02:58] <TZM> theFATMAN: Just do "sudo xkill" and click your pointer on the window you want to kill.
[02:58] <NickPresta> ah.
[02:58] <theFATMAN> damn image is still up
[02:58] <theFATMAN> pop up
[02:58] <NickPresta> then clearly the image is not from the browser if you closed it and all associated windows
[02:58] <Jucato> theFATMAN: press Ctrl+Alt+Esc and click on the image
[02:59] <theFATMAN> Jucato: trying now
[02:59] <theFATMAN> Jucato: didn't work, m8
[03:00] <theFATMAN> TZM: will that harm anything?
[03:00] <typedestereo> is progress quest in any of kubuntu's repositories?
[03:00] <TZM> theFATMAN: It will kill whatever window you click it on...
[03:01] <Jucato> theFATMAN, TZM:xkill = Ctrl+Alt+Esc in KDE
[03:01] <theFATMAN> ohhhh, cuz neither worked
[03:01] <theFATMAN> that desktop is disabled until i can close it
[03:01] <TZM> theFATMAN: How about a good old-fashioned reboot?
[03:02] <theFATMAN> TZM: aye, but i was trying to avoid that, lol
[03:02] <Dr_willis> reformat!
[03:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:02] <theFATMAN> trying to learn a new trick=)
[03:02] <HollowPoint> did top not work?
[03:02] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: naw mate
[03:02] <HollowPoint> interesting
[03:02] <TZM> Dr_willis: No that's too wimpy--bring out the crowbar and jackhammer! :)
[03:03] <HollowPoint> well you could always just kill X
[03:03] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: naw tried it
[03:03] <theFATMAN> lol
[03:03] <HollowPoint> all that will do (Providing your system is stable that is) is close EVERYTHING and put you back to the login screen
[03:03] <HollowPoint> you tried killing X?
[03:03] <theFATMAN> yep
[03:03] <HollowPoint> as in Alt Ctrl Backspace
[03:03] <HollowPoint> and then logged back in and it's still there?
[03:04] <Jucato> theFATMAN: how did you try to kill X?
[03:04] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: wait a minute...i thought you meant ctrl+alt+esc
[03:04] <HollowPoint> no mate
[03:04] <theFATMAN> .........
[03:04] <TZM> If he's just going to log out and back in... why not just reboot and be done with the whole matter?
[03:04] <HollowPoint> alt ctrl backspace will kill X (Ungracefully) and restart the X server
[03:04] <theFATMAN> TZM: aye, i'll be back
[03:04] <HollowPoint> takes less time than a reboot
[03:05] <TZM> HollowPoint: True, but with all his X killing and such I personally would take the extra minute to reboot just to know my system is clean. :)
[03:06] <HollowPoint> lol I tend to restart X, then load up top and make sure I've got nothing I don't want running
[03:06] <mr--t> might still not beclean
[03:06] <Jucato> TZM: what if he's running something beneath X that needs to be kept running even if he has no GUI? (though unlikely, just "what if")
[03:08] <TZM> Jucato: Well if he really knew he was running something in the background that he didn't want to lose, then yes I agree with you... But I'd be willing to bet money that's not the case here. :)
[03:08] <Jucato> it also kills uptime... :P
[03:08] <HollowPoint> to be fair restarting X that way isn't recommended by most
[03:08] <HollowPoint> but I do recommend it if it's a standard enough stable enough system it'll be fine usually
[03:08] <Jucato> HollowPoint: at this point, there is no other way
[03:09] <Jucato> in his case I mean
[03:09] <HollowPoint> there is, log out lol
[03:09] <HollowPoint> but to do that you have to move the mouse and everything
[03:09] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:09] <Ashex> how does one change the default file manager?
[03:09] <Jucato> and your panel visible
[03:09] <HollowPoint> you want to change it from dolphin?
[03:09] <Jucato> HollowPoint: actually in KDE, Ctrl+Alt+Del would bring up the logout prompt
[03:09] <Jucato> I just forgot about it
[03:09] <HollowPoint> not in mine it doesn't :D
[03:10] <HollowPoint> oh sorry
[03:10] <HollowPoint> ctrl alt del does yeah
[03:10]  * Jucato kicks HollowPoint in the Point
[03:10] <HollowPoint> ctrl alt backspace just exits super quick :D
[03:10] <NickPresta> You should logout first before you just kill x. You could lose data if you don't.
[03:10] <Jucato> Ctrl+Alt+Bksp kills X. totally and without consideration. :)
[03:10] <Ashex> !defaults
[03:10] <HollowPoint> you could lose data yes
[03:10] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about defaults, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[03:10] <HollowPoint> if you had anything open to lose data
[03:11] <Jucato> !d3lphin | Ashex
[03:11] <HollowPoint> if not though, happy days
[03:11] <nubotu> Ashex: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[03:11]  * TZM wonders why we are going on and on about this when poor old theFATMAN is rebooting anyway...
[03:11] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:11] <Jucato> TZM: coz we're probably trying to discuss how best to help others in the future
[03:11] <HollowPoint> Ashex why would you want to change from Dolphin?
[03:11] <HollowPoint> It kicks ass
[03:11] <Jucato> HollowPoint: D3lphin sucks :)
[03:11] <Jucato> Dolphin rocks
[03:11] <HollowPoint> WAY better than Konquerer
[03:12] <Ashex> HollowPoint, no expanadable file tree sidebar
[03:12] <HollowPoint> ah yes D3lphin does lol
[03:12] <NickPresta> D3lphin does indeed suck. Apologies to whoever is responsible for that
[03:12] <Ashex> split view makes the right sidebar take a third of the window
[03:12] <HollowPoint> Ashex I'm pretty sure you can sort that
[03:12] <Tann> yeah, that getts annoying
[03:12] <Ashex> HollowPoint, I haven't found anything to fix those two issues
[03:12] <Jucato> Ashex: you are talking about Dolphin in KDE 3 right?
[03:12] <Ashex> those are the two reasons I'm going back to Knoqueror
[03:12] <Ashex> yep
[03:12] <Jucato> (not KDE 4 Dolphin)
[03:13] <Ashex> KDE4 Dolphin has the file tree
[03:13] <Ashex> but the split view issue still exists
[03:13] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmmm
[03:13] <Jucato> yep. there's no way around that then
[03:13] <Jucato> except to keep on using Konqueror :)
[03:13] <Ashex> yep
[03:13] <Jucato> or use KDE 4's Dolphin
[03:13] <Jucato> ...
[03:13] <Tann> kde4 still isn't quite the best though
[03:13] <HollowPoint> see I never liked Konquerer as a file manager
[03:13] <Ashex> I'll give kde4 another try when 4.1 is out
[03:13] <mr--t> what about krusader
[03:13] <theFATMAN> ok, turns out a theme i had just installed screwed everything up. i removed it, now its straight
[03:13] <Jucato> Tann: we're talking about a single KDE 4 app, not the whole thing
[03:14] <HollowPoint> which theme? So we can all avoid it
[03:14] <typedestereo> is progress quest in any of kubuntu's repositories?
[03:14] <Ashex> I did pre-RC testing and what-not with KDE4 and it was still buggy as hell when it was released
[03:14] <NickPresta> typedestereo, progress quest?
[03:14] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: it's real nice looking, but it's 'Liquid_Splash'
[03:14] <HollowPoint> The one thing I HATE about KDE4 is the desktop icons
[03:14] <Jucato> typedestereo: what is that?
[03:15] <Tann> Ashex: and plasma still needs a bit of developement
[03:15] <Jucato> HollowPoint: hm?
[03:15] <HollowPoint> too vista-esque
[03:15] <typedestereo> http://progressquest.com
[03:15] <Ashex> Tann, yeah. Had it crash quite a bit when I was playing with it
[03:15] <HollowPoint> everything is a widget
[03:15] <typedestereo> mock mmo style game
[03:15] <Ashex> my biggest peave was not being able to move the widgets around on the taskbar
[03:16] <Jucato> HollowPoint: you do know that KDE, GNOME, and OS X had widgets waaay before Vista?
[03:16] <typedestereo> basically idlerpg without irc
[03:16] <HollowPoint> I found you have to open them in the right order lol
[03:16] <Jucato> and Plasma was just bulding on that
[03:16] <Ashex> if you needed to move one, you had to remove them all up to the spot you wanted it at, then add them all back
[03:16] <Jucato> typedestereo: try searching in packages.ubuntu.com
[03:16] <NickPresta> typedestereo, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/games/pq
[03:16] <Jucato> Ashex: that's still in the TODO list
[03:16] <HollowPoint> Jucato yeah I know but KDE4 has introduced the widget desktop icon, I just want a desktop icon, I don't care about it being a widget lol
[03:16] <theFATMAN> anyone know a vendor that would make a 'linu' super key replacement?
[03:16] <Ashex> Jucato, yeah, I read through it awhile
[03:16] <Ashex> I'm just voicing a few of the nuances :p
[03:16] <Ashex> awhile back*
[03:17] <theFATMAN> *linux
[03:17] <Jucato> HollowPoint: then don't. it will be turned into a desktop "containment" for that reason
[03:17] <Jucato> soon. not yet now. but soon
[03:17] <typedestereo> allright, thanks
[03:17] <HollowPoint> huh?
[03:17] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:17] <Jucato> HollowPoint: what it basically means is that the widget will become a desktop.
[03:17] <Jucato> your "old style desktop", so to speak
[03:18] <WillMc> can someone tell me why kmail is not starting in kununtu unless I start it in a termal window?
[03:18] <HollowPoint> believe me I'm not against new stuff and I'm not one of these guys who harks back to Gnome being an innovation in desktops and why can't it go back to being like that lol, I just don't want adjustable features on an icon lol I want it to be an icon, nothing more
[03:18] <navetz> hey guys my super key stoped working, I accidently changd my keyboard layout andI don't know how to fix it.
[03:18] <Jucato> WillMc: Alt+F2, "kmail" doesn't work?
[03:18] <navetz> can someone help
[03:19] <HollowPoint> WillMc use Evolution instead, kick ass mail client
[03:19] <Ashex> Wee, konqueror as default
[03:19] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:19] <WillMc> I don't have it in my menu when I loaded the system]
[03:19] <Jucato> oh course it comes with other features you might not want/need :)
[03:19] <Ashex> kinda miss having the available disk space int he status bar
[03:19] <Ashex> in the*
[03:19] <Jucato> WillMc: it isn't in the menu by default. it launches when you run Kontact
[03:19] <Tann> navetz: can you go to kcontol and go to regional. Then to keyboard Layout
[03:19] <calcmandan> is the bot not online?
[03:20] <Jucato> calcmandan: apparently
[03:20] <typedestereo> hm
[03:20] <NickPresta> calcmandan, nubotu
[03:20] <typedestereo> what's the kde equivalent of 'deb'?
[03:20] <NickPresta> !bot
[03:20] <nubotu> I am ubottu, the all-knowing infobot, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new gorgeous looks in the near future ;)
[03:20] <WillMc> what is kontact
[03:20] <Jucato> WillMc: KDE PIM. it "houses" kmail, korganizer, kaddressbook, etc
[03:20] <NickPresta> typedestereo, that doesn't make sense. a deb package is for dpkg/apt based systems. Are you trying to install that deb?
[03:20] <calcmandan> ok nubotu
[03:20] <Jucato> !info kontact | WillMc
[03:20] <nubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[03:21] <theFATMAN> what the sod is the 'kicker'?
[03:21] <Jucato> er sorry
[03:21] <Jucato> theFATMAN: KDE panel
[03:21] <NickPresta> Jucato, it doesn't do redirection, info, or search, AFAIK
[03:21] <calcmandan> will it be the case for now or is it temporary?
[03:21] <typedestereo> yes, I got an error message saying 'command not found'
[03:21] <typedestereo> er
[03:21] <Jucato> !info kicker | Jucato
[03:21] <NickPresta> its temp. I would ask stdin. It is his, I think.
[03:21] <typedestereo> wait a second
[03:21] <typedestereo> *blink*
[03:21] <nubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[03:21] <Jucato> ok
[03:21] <Jucato> it doesn't :)
[03:21] <theFATMAN> !kicker
[03:21] <navetz> Tann: is there a default keyboard layout, I don't know which one I use to have?
[03:21] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kicker, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[03:21] <Jucato> theFATMAN: Kicker is the KDE Panel
[03:21] <theFATMAN> !thanks dude
[03:21] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thanks dude, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[03:21] <theFATMAN> lol
[03:21] <typedestereo> it says I need to add a line beginning with deb into a certain file...how do I do that?
[03:22] <Jucato> (as in "kick off" or "kick start" something
[03:22] <theFATMAN> just thought it'd be funny, sorry
[03:22] <HollowPoint> can we get rid of the bot lol
[03:22] <Tann> navetz: I believe you can deselect "Enable Keyboard Layouts" Or is that what you have already?
[03:22] <navetz> Tann: ah ok I see thanks.
[03:23] <NickPresta> typedestereo, open up Adept and in the menu, there is a Manage Repositories section. Add the third party repository that way.
[03:23] <theFATMAN> is kde-look.org the only site that has themes? can someone recommend a good one?
[03:23] <Jucato> theFATMAN: kde-look is the only site that "collects" themes... there might be others scattered around the net
[03:23] <HollowPoint> kde-look best one I've found but I decided not to actually use themes and instead I just mod things like splash screens and login screens seperately
[03:24] <theFATMAN> Jucato: problem is they're short on dark themes, lol
[03:24] <HollowPoint> you could always just use KDE4
[03:24] <HollowPoint> it's not all that bad really
[03:25] <theFATMAN> ive heard its not as stable as it could be
[03:25] <WillMc> how do you upgrade to KDE4?
[03:25] <Jucato> it's stable.. at least the one that will become 4.1...
[03:25] <mr--t> yea but its pretty when it crashes
[03:25] <Jucato> WillMc: #kubuntu-kde4 for instructions
[03:26] <Jucato> (doesn't crash much here except for Plasma...)
[03:26] <theFATMAN> lol
[03:26] <Jucato> besides, KDE 4's color scheme is actually light. not dark
[03:26] <Jucato> only Plasma's theme (which is separate) is dark
[03:26] <Devourer> How do I emulate EOF in Konsole?
[03:26] <mr--t> just kidding , only a couple of minor oops
[03:26] <WillMc> Thanks
[03:27] <Jucato> Devourer: you mean in a keypress?
[03:27] <NickPresta> Devourer, control+D
[03:27] <NickPresta> in bash anyways. I don't know about other shells
[03:27] <Devourer> NickPresta, thanks.
[03:28] <Mr_Pan> hi i've problem with compiz .   compiz function right but after reboot no function ..... any ideas   ^
[03:28] <HollowPoint> which version of Kubuntu are you using?
[03:28] <Mr_Pan> HollowPoint, hardy
[03:28] <HollowPoint> in console type compiz --replace &
[03:28] <HollowPoint> then reboot
[03:28] <HollowPoint> should load up again at login
[03:29] <HollowPoint> as you, not as root I might add
[03:29] <Mr_Pan> ok
[03:29] <Mr_Pan> HollowPoint, i know ...... xgl not present ......
[03:30] <Mr_Pan> nvidia driver is broken i must reintall it
[03:30] <HollowPoint> ah ok
[03:30] <HollowPoint> lol missed him
[03:30] <navetz> hey guys, can somebody help me fix my windows key?
[03:30] <HollowPoint> whats wrong with it?
[03:30] <navetz> it doesn't work
[03:31] <HollowPoint> lmfao
[03:31] <navetz> is there a way I can test if its being sent
[03:31] <HollowPoint> a little more description would be nice
[03:31] <HollowPoint> what are you trying to do with it?
[03:32] <Mr_Pan> HollowPoint, itt's ok  now
[03:32] <HollowPoint> lol cool
[03:32] <navetz> I have amarok set to switch songs when I press win + alt + n
[03:32] <HollowPoint> are you running compiz?"
[03:32] <navetz> so I want to get the windows key working again.
[03:32] <Agent_bob> navetz i have "music" set to switch songs when i press ^c
[03:33] <typedestereo> hm
[03:33] <typedestereo> adept isn't opening
[03:33] <navetz> Agent_bob: humm thats not a bad ide
[03:33] <HollowPoint> I'd suggest using a different key combination instead
[03:33] <navetz> HollowPoint: I usually run compiz but right now I am not
[03:33] <NickPresta> navetz, if you're unsure that the super key is doing anything or being detected, you could use `xev` and see that it is being recognized (and its keycode)
[03:33] <HollowPoint> ctrl c isn't the best combination to use
[03:34] <navetz> NickPresta: ok ill try it
[03:34] <HollowPoint> it's the cancel operation key combination for a lot of things so that could get confusing
[03:34] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint it's natural in the console tho.  nothing needs to be changed... :)
[03:34] <typedestereo> ...yeah, aptitude isn't launching
[03:34] <typedestereo> with this error message:
[03:34] <typedestereo> "The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem."
[03:34] <HollowPoint> lol true I suppose
[03:34] <typedestereo> (neither command helps)
[03:34] <navetz> NickPresta: I don't think its working.
[03:34] <NickPresta> typedestereo, run 'sudo apt-get update' in the Konsole then
[03:35] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint and "music" being a script i wrote for a console media player...
[03:35] <HollowPoint> nice one
[03:35] <typedestereo> with this error message for attempting apt-get update: "E: Type 'http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list"
[03:35] <typedestereo> (a mirror I tried to add to my repository)
[03:35] <navetz> NickPresta: I am pretty sure its not set up, the output when I hit the super(windows) key is different then every other key.
[03:35] <Agent_bob> pasting file /usr/local/bin/music
[03:35] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d680af4eb
[03:36] <NickPresta> typedestereo, all lines in your sources.list must be prefixed with 'deb', 'deb-src' and a couple others that let apt know that they are repositories. Post your sources.list to a pastebin
[03:36] <HollowPoint> typedestereo you'll need to remove the line from your /etc/apt/sources.list file before it will open again
[03:36] <typedestereo> what's the command for this?
[03:37] <navetz> this is what happens when I type the windows key in xev:
[03:37] <navetz> KeymapNotify event, serial 31, synthetic NO, window 0x0,
[03:37] <navetz>     keys:  0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
[03:37] <navetz>            0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
[03:37] <NickPresta> typedestereo, kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:37] <Agent_bob> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:37] <navetz> any ideas?
[03:37] <HollowPoint> nano /etc/apt/sources.list, use the arrow keys to get to the line you entered and remove it, then save the file and open apt and add the repo through the GUI
[03:37] <Agent_bob> ooops NickPresta beet me.
[03:37] <NickPresta> ;)
[03:37] <HollowPoint> and me
[03:37] <HollowPoint> :(
[03:37] <HollowPoint> I'm a failure :(
[03:37] <NickPresta> if it makes you feel better, i already had that types out before he asked how to do it
[03:37] <NickPresta> s/types/typed/
[03:38] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:38] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint yeah.  your's is not even su'd
[03:38] <HollowPoint> yeah I forget it, I'm always in su in konsole
[03:39] <HollowPoint> I use Yakuake, so when I login to KDE I bring down Yakuake, issue the su command, then put yakuake to sleep until I need it, that way when I need to do anything in console I just press F11 to bring yakuake down and I don't have to faff around remembering Sudo lol
[03:40] <HollowPoint> can be annoying when I have to fix compiz or emerald and need to NOT be su though but that's rarer than I need to edit a file as root
[03:40] <Agent_bob> console != konsole      ;/
[03:40] <Jucato> Agent_bob: I think he generally meant "do anything in a console/command line" :)
[03:40] <HollowPoint> indeed Konsole, even in Yakuake is still Konsole but I think of it as the CLi generally lol
[03:41] <HollowPoint> Jucato - You are obviously deep in my subconscious lol
[03:41] <Agent_bob> <<< pet peeve      console is that thing in ctrl+alt+f1   not that cute little window thingy that emulates a "console/terminal"
[03:42] <HollowPoint> lol I spend most of my time looking at the inside of Cisco Routers and Firewalls in "a console session" so is all the same to me
[03:43] <Jucato> Agent_bob: a real console would include the hardware though, wouldn't it? ;)
[03:43] <Agent_bob> ok!   "linux console"      picky picky....  :)))
[03:43] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:44] <prince_jammys> linux konsole
[03:44] <Agent_bob> yeah you are right though.
[03:44] <Agent_bob> that would be a "kde konsole"
[03:44] <typedestereo> ...hm
[03:44] <Agent_bob> but what evah
[03:44] <typedestereo> I've added the mirror
[03:44] <HollowPoint> wat eva!
[03:44] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:44] <typedestereo> I know the mirror has a certain file
[03:44] <typedestereo> aptitude doesn't recognise it
[03:45] <HollowPoint> what file are you trying to get?
[03:45] <typedestereo> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/pq/download
[03:45] <typedestereo> pq_6.2-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[03:46] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint maybe he is "hunt" for it....    (hint hint)
[03:46] <typedestereo> from mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu
[03:46] <typedestereo> I'm entering 'sudo aptitude install pq_6.2-0ubuntu2_all.deb'
[03:46] <typedestereo> entered in the sources list as 'deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu dapper main restricted
[03:46] <typedestereo> deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu dapper main restricted'
[03:47] <Agent_bob> typedestereo name too long.  try     sudo aptitude install pq"
[03:47] <Agent_bob> s/"//
[03:47] <typedestereo> no luck
[03:48] <NickPresta> typedestereo, after you download that deb file, do this: sudo dpkg -i THEDEBFILE.deb
[03:48] <typedestereo> and in the name of semantics, you're missing a definite article and an apostrophe too :P
[03:48] <HollowPoint> have you tried googling the file, downloading it and then opening it locally with debian package manager instead?
[03:49] <typedestereo> hm
[03:49] <Agent_bob> apostrophe ?
[03:49] <typedestereo> I haven't
[03:49] <HollowPoint> I would suggest that
[03:49] <NickPresta> typedestereo, after you download that deb file, do this: sudo dpkg -i THEDEBFILE.deb
[03:49] <HollowPoint> you don't even need to do that if you're in Hardy
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[03:49] <HollowPoint> just click on it, it'll open with debian package installer, may ask for your password but then it'll do it's thing
[03:49] <NickPresta> HollowPoint, you can use the gui frontend to install the deb. I prefer the text way :)
[03:50] <HollowPoint> yeah but just trying to help someone else who may not be all that familiar with console/konsole and therefore may be easier for them to use the GUI :D
[03:51] <HollowPoint> I used to use Gentoo purely on the principle that I liked doing everything manually (The hard way basically) but then I saw the light and realised I'd have much more free time if I just did it the quick and easy way
[03:52]  * Agent_bob wonders why it's considered easier to use a gui than follow a simple command line ...
[03:52] <navetz> guys is it possible to dpkg -reconfigre your keyboard somehow?
[03:52] <mr--t> the ubuntu page for that program reccomends not installing manually
[03:53] <HollowPoint> because by default it's easier to point and click than it is to type things into konsole lol
[03:53] <typedestereo> yeah, I installed the file but for some reason terminal isn't recognising it
[03:53] <mr--t> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/pq/download
[03:53] <HollowPoint> I still do most of my stuff (The stuff that matters that is) in CLi but for installing a package I'd normally just use the GUI
[03:54] <HollowPoint> installing with the debian installer isn't a manual install
[03:54] <Agent_bob> navetz dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow    used to allow for redefining the keyboard for X   but as to the console (which you probably didn't mean) it's another package.    and, i don't think the reconfig works in hardy  ;/
[03:54] <HollowPoint> unzipping all the files to their appropriate places and editing config files is a manual install
[03:54] <HollowPoint> or if you want to get really nitty gritty then compiling from source
[03:55] <HollowPoint> using the debian installer is just like using apt-get install *program* you just already have the package locally instead of downloading it from a repo
[03:55] <mr--t> ok they reccomend using aptitude
[03:55] <navetz> Agent_bob: damn I am using hardy, should I do the reconfigure -plow ?
[03:56] <HollowPoint> debian package installer IS aptitude lmao
[03:56] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint not entirely.   dpkg doesn't auto-get the deps
[03:56] <HollowPoint> the package installer does though
[03:56] <Agent_bob> navetz you can try it.   i'm not using hardy so can't say for sure
[03:56] <HollowPoint> if you download a .deb file, install it with the debian package installer (Which IS aptitude basically) then it will tell you deps are needed and then download and install them
[03:57] <Agent_bob> if you use dpkg   it will tell you that deps are needed....   ;/
[03:57] <Agent_bob> lets hear it for "dselect"
 HollowPoint not entirely.   dpkg doesn't auto-get the deps
 if you use dpkg   it will tell you that deps are needed....   ;/
[03:58] <HollowPoint> either make up your mind or be more specific cos to me that says two opposite things lol
[03:58] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint correct.    both are true.   read carefully.
[03:58] <HollowPoint> are you meaning that dpkg will tell you it needs them but won't auto-get them?
[03:59] <Agent_bob> auto-get != tell about.
[03:59] <HollowPoint> rofl
[03:59] <HollowPoint> I give up
[03:59] <HollowPoint> lol
[03:59] <HollowPoint> anyway ........ what colour would the sky be if blue didn't exist?
 are you meaning that dpkg will tell you it needs them but won't auto-get them? <<<   you win  :)
[03:59] <prince_jammys> brown
[04:00] <typedestereo> undefined
[04:00] <HollowPoint> lol
[04:00] <HollowPoint> I think it would be pink
[04:00] <prince_jammys> that's what i meant by brown
[04:00] <typedestereo> just find the exact color composition of the sky at a given location
[04:00] <typedestereo> and remove blue
[04:01] <HollowPoint> lol in a computerised sky yes
[04:01] <HollowPoint> not in chemically created sky however
[04:01] <typedestereo> I work in ideals :)
[04:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> !ot | HollowPoint
[04:01] <nubotu> HollowPoint: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:01] <HollowPoint> lol nice world you work in
[04:01] <Agent_bob> what colour would the sky be without computers ?
[04:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> and to answer your question, it would still be blue, we would just have a different name for the colour we now call "blue"
[04:01] <HollowPoint> lmfao
[04:01] <HollowPoint> nice answer
[04:02] <HollowPoint> that would probably be the answer if the question came from an IQ test
[04:02] <prince_jammys> i think the word would be 'unblue'
[04:02] <Agent_bob> o.O (sky-colour)SOD !
[04:02] <HollowPoint> it's like , if a man speaks in the woods but no woman is there to tell him he's wrong would he still make any sound?
[04:03] <prince_jammys> who knows
[04:03] <navetz> I tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow and I reconfigured my keyboard but my windows key still doesn't work, any ideas?
[04:04] <HollowPoint> change the sequence for next song lol
[04:04] <Agent_bob> oh. get your misquotes streight.   "if a man spoke in the woods, and there was no woman there to hear it; would he still be wrong?"
[04:04] <HollowPoint> I prefer mine
[04:05] <typedestereo> hum
[04:05] <HollowPoint> ?
[04:05] <Agent_bob> navetz you do know that xorg has to be restarted before that change takes affect?
[04:05] <Agent_bob> i suspect you do...
[04:05] <typedestereo> so I downloaded this file for a program I want to install, and it was opened by kate
[04:06] <typedestereo> which program should I open it with to initiate the installation?
[04:06] <HollowPoint> whats the file extension?
[04:06] <typedestereo> .deb
[04:06] <navetz> Agent_bob: yes I restarted xorg
[04:06] <Agent_bob> typedestereo what are you installing ?
[04:06] <HollowPoint> you in Gutsy as opposed to Hardy?
[04:06] <Agent_bob> typedestereo you did check the repos
[04:06] <HollowPoint> if so right click it and tell it to open in the debian installer
[04:06] <typedestereo> I'm actually using hardy
[04:06] <HollowPoint> strange
[04:07] <typedestereo> ...er, my mistake
[04:07] <typedestereo> feisty fawn
[04:07] <Agent_bob> typedestereo you mean you tried to dl and it opened in kate rather than dl'ing ?
[04:07] <Agent_bob> oh!
[04:07] <typedestereo> yes
[04:07] <Agent_bob> never mind
[04:08] <Agent_bob> is feisty still supported ?
[04:08] <HollowPoint> right click and open it in GDebi installer
[04:08] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint he'll have to dl it first.
[04:08] <HollowPoint> and if you tell me you've got a mac mouse I'm going to hunt you down and kill you
[04:08] <typedestereo> logitech, thanks~
[04:08] <HollowPoint> he already has I think, or did you tell it to open from download?
[04:08] <Agent_bob> second time.   "read carefully"
[04:09] <typedestereo> I have it downloaded, I need the application with which to actually install it
[04:09] <HollowPoint> lmfao
[04:09] <HollowPoint> @ Agent_bob that is sorry
[04:09] <HollowPoint> like I said typedstereo, right click and open with GDebi installer
[04:09] <charlie5> mm, envy also fails to install nvidia driver :/
[04:09] <HollowPoint> what nvidia card do you have charlie5?
[04:10] <navetz> hey guys, I just found out I have ktouch installed
[04:10] <navetz> could that be messing with my keyboard config?
[04:10] <charlie5> hi navetz ...  it's a geforce 7600 gs
[04:10] <HollowPoint> tell me what ktouch is and I'll tell you the answer
[04:10] <typedestereo> oh, stuff is happening
[04:10] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint well that's not what he said.   but yeah/
[04:10] <charlie5> oops, i mean HollowPoint, sorry
[04:10] <HollowPoint> lol I know
[04:10] <typedestereo> ...I need to set up wine?
[04:10] <typedestereo> damn.
[04:10] <navetz> charlie5: what?
[04:10] <HollowPoint> wtf you need to setup wine for this program?
[04:10] <HollowPoint> yet it's a .deb?
[04:11] <charlie5> navetz: sorry, misread nick
[04:11] <typedestereo> evidently
[04:11] <HollowPoint> whats the program supposed to do?
[04:11] <navetz> charlie5: ah ok
[04:11] <HollowPoint> charlie5 what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[04:11] <typedestereo> a desktop version of idlerpg
[04:11] <charlie5> hardy
[04:11] <charlie5> it's a fresh install
[04:11] <typedestereo> installing wine as we speak
[04:12] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmmmm
[04:12] <HollowPoint> can't remember how I installed mine in Hardy
[04:12] <HollowPoint> in Gutsy was an installer in System Settings
[04:12] <charlie5> i'm trying the old nvidia-glx, but now i get an adept packaging system error :/
[04:12]  * charlie5 is not having much luck to day ;)
[04:13]  * Agent_bob still wishes his nvidia card was supported.
[04:13] <charlie5> i guess, i can try installing the drivers from NV's site ?
[04:13] <HollowPoint> well I'm in Hardy and I have a 7600GT and I have nvidia-glx-new and nvidia-kernel-common installed and mine works fine
[04:14] <HollowPoint> use konsole and do sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new and nvidia-kernel-common
[04:14] <Agent_bob> !worksforme
[04:14] <HollowPoint> think thats how I did it
[04:14] <nubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[04:14] <charlie5> mm, well, i'll try it again and maybe get some more detailed error info ... thaks HollowPoint

[04:14] <HollowPoint> k
[04:15] <HollowPoint> thats very usefull Agent_bob
[04:15] <Agent_bob> at times.
[04:15] <Agent_bob> :)
[04:15] <HollowPoint> working as an IT engineer I tend to follow the philosophy of "If you hear elephants it's probably elephants and not iguanas"
[04:16] <HollowPoint> also meaning that if something works on one system it'll probably work on a "similar" system, it might not but thats a risk you take by asking advice of people who are not on an identical system
[04:16] <Agent_bob> having "been there, done that"  in combat situations, if you hear elephants comming.   it may be mice...
[04:16] <HollowPoint> yeah but you wouldn't assume it, stand up and get trampled on
[04:17] <HollowPoint> by combat situations I guess you mean you're a soldier of some kind?
[04:17] <NickPresta> He is a secret agent ;)
[04:17] <HollowPoint> not very secret by all accounts
[04:17] <Agent_bob> secret ?  what secret ?
[04:18] <typedestereo> how do I configure wine?
[04:18] <Agent_bob> nobody  told me.
[04:18] <NickPresta> typedestereo, winecfg
[04:20] <m0nkfish> hi
[04:20] <HollowPoint> lo
[04:21] <m0nkfish> i am having a few problems with my wireless connection (surprise surprise)
[04:21] <HollowPoint> such as?
[04:22] <typedestereo> allright, I installed wine but to run an install on a program I'm still getting a message telling me I need to install wine...
[04:22] <m0nkfish> well. i have been trying to follow various guides on getting windows wireless cards to work on ubuntu using ndiswrapper
[04:23] <typedestereo> the exact message being "dependancy is not satisfiable: wine"
[04:23] <m0nkfish> but even though i've installed the (i think) correct driver with ndiswrapper, it still can't detect the hardware
[04:23] <Agent_bob> typedestereo you are calling it as     wine /path/to/installer.exe
[04:23] <Agent_bob> ?
[04:23] <Agent_bob> oh   sorry i'm slow.
[04:23] <HollowPoint> ok, well let's start by saying most common wireless cards are supported by the latest versions of Kubuntu/Ubuntu have you definately ruled out that Kubuntu cannot install it on it's own?
[04:24] <Agent_bob> typedestereo humm    that message is from what command ?
[04:24] <HollowPoint> typedstereo a .deb program that requires wine to be installed is probably not worth the hassle to get it installed
[04:24] <typedestereo> it's from trying to use dgebi
[04:24] <typedestereo> *gdebi to install the program
[04:24] <m0nkfish> its a realtek 8187b that (according to the wiki) needs to use ndiswrapper
[04:25] <Agent_bob> typedestereo try in konsole;    sudo dpkg -i package-name.deb    and see what it says
[04:25] <HollowPoint> problem is you're on Feisty so obviously the GDebi program just isn't as up to date as it is on Gutsy and Hardy so it's not dragging in the deps, as Agent_Bob said before
[04:25] <Agent_bob> or     sudo dpkg -i /path/to/package-name.deb
[04:25] <HollowPoint> right and you've been following the wiki but it still won't install?
[04:26] <m0nkfish> yeah
[04:26] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmm
[04:26] <m0nkfish> the page is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsRealTek
[04:26] <HollowPoint> what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[04:26] <charlie5> hi again ... well, 'mystery' solved .. i needed Option "NoPowerConnectorCheck" in my xorg.conf, just like the erro messages told me to do
[04:26]  * charlie5 's face a little redder than usual
[04:26] <HollowPoint> lol nicely fixed charlie5
[04:27] <Agent_bob> chin up charlie5,  we all do that from time to time
[04:27] <charlie5> heh ... thanks HollowPoint ... and cheers for the help
[04:27] <HollowPoint> speak for yourself
[04:27]  * HollowPoint is perfect
[04:27] <HollowPoint> lol
[04:27] <m0nkfish> im running hardy
[04:27] <Agent_bob> i just did.   and you just lied  :)
[04:27] <HollowPoint> is it a new card then m0nkfish
[04:28] <m0nkfish> well, new with the laptop
[04:28] <HollowPoint> artistic license Agent_bob ;)
[04:28] <Agent_bob> ;/
[04:28] <HollowPoint> so it's a new laptop you're installing ubuntu on?
[04:28] <frybye> hi - in Thunderbird it is opening (e.g.) jpg- attachments with the wrong browser when I click on them.. in the settings there are no file assosiations listed at all - that area of settings is blank.. any ideas..?
[04:29] <m0nkfish> yes
[04:29] <frybye> in global standard the setting is correct = firefox...
[04:29] <HollowPoint> frybye go to Kmenu > System Settings > Default Applications and set it there
[04:29] <m0nkfish> everything else works fine
[04:29] <m0nkfish> i'm dual-booting with vista
[04:29] <frybye> Hollow - see above...
[04:29] <HollowPoint> yup got ya
[04:29] <HollowPoint> ok, I would have removed Vista rather than dual boot but ok
[04:29] <m0nkfish> :p
[04:29] <frybye> seems to be a specifically thunderbird problem.. otherwise firefox is being used...?
[04:30] <HollowPoint> I'm assuming there is a button to turn the wireless hardware on?
[04:30] <m0nkfish> yes and it is on :)
[04:30] <HollowPoint> damn
[04:30] <frybye> there is for sure a config file someplace or??#
[04:30] <m0nkfish> lol
[04:30] <m0nkfish> iwconfig doesn't detect wlan0
[04:30]  * Agent_bob reconciles with HollowPoint for one word "<HollowPoint> ok, I would have removed Vista rather than dual boot but ok"
[04:30] <HollowPoint> if you open a konsole and type lspci can you see the wireless card in th elist?
[04:31] <charlie5> sooo ... would anyone have tried kubu with xen ?
[04:31] <m0nkfish> no it's in lsusb
[04:31] <HollowPoint> it's an external usb wireless device?
[04:32] <HollowPoint> not built into the laptop?
[04:32] <m0nkfish> it's internal usb
[04:32] <frybye> so my problem in short-version: how to configure thunderbird when the built-in gui settings are not working??
[04:32] <HollowPoint> ah was just wondering that lol
[04:32] <HollowPoint> ok so is it in lsusb?
[04:33] <m0nkfish> yup
[04:33] <m0nkfish> Bus 006 Device 003: ID 0bda:8197 Realtek Semiconductor Corp
[04:33] <HollowPoint> ok
[04:34] <HollowPoint> link me to the wiki please?
[04:34] <Agent_bob> new lappy has built-in usb devices  ;/     sad state of affairs this is becomming
[04:34] <NekosolTeraDyne> !wifi
[04:34] <nubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:34] <m0nkfish> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsRealTek
[04:35] <m0nkfish> that page has detail on my specific driver
[04:35] <m0nkfish>  /card
[04:35] <HollowPoint> Agent_bob some of the new HP Servers have internal USB Backup Tape Drives ffs!
[04:35] <mr--t> frybye the thunderbird app will default to your kde settings see above to set defaults
[04:36] <Agent_bob> oh an actual sting ?   or plugged streight into the board ?
[04:36] <HollowPoint> nah the motherboard has a usb port on it lol
[04:36] <HollowPoint> exactly the same usb port you would see on the outside of the case
[04:36] <HollowPoint> in the middle of the motherboard
[04:36] <m0nkfish> lo
[04:36] <m0nkfish> l
[04:37] <HollowPoint> with a picture of a cartoon dog underneath it
[04:37] <HollowPoint> your card isn't in that link mate
[04:37] <HollowPoint> yours is an 8197
[04:38] <m0nkfish> shall i try the generic one
[04:38] <m0nkfish> i swear my computer told me it was 8187b
[04:38] <HollowPoint> is your laptop a toshiba?
[04:38] <m0nkfish> i mean thats the driver im using in vista
[04:39] <HollowPoint> You're not trying to use the Vista driver with NDiswrapper are you?
[04:39] <m0nkfish> the win98 driver
[04:39] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmmmmm
[04:40] <HollowPoint> I'd be more inclined to use a Windows XP driver to work with Ndiswrapper, back in the days of Win98 wireless wasn't exactly established
[04:40] <se7en> is kubuntu not compatible with normal linux
[04:40] <HollowPoint> Win XP SP1 doesn't even support wireless properly lol
[04:40] <HollowPoint> what makes you say that se7en?
[04:41] <se7en> i can't scp anything from debian to kubuntu
[04:41] <frybye> HollowPoint: using a usb-wlan-stick attached to a port -inside- the pc case is not a good idea at all - the radio signals will be 95% screened by the metal case around them (If i have understood you correctly?)
[04:41] <se7en> i get 0kb files thats all
[04:41] <Agent_bob> se7en heh.   try as root.
[04:42] <Agent_bob> sounds like you don't have perms to read
[04:42] <frybye> you can buy a little lead/adapter- thing to extend the usb-port to a small plate at the back of the pc - or a longer usb lead and just run that out the back of the pc and place the usb-wland-stick someplace higher on your desk or similar..
[04:42] <se7en> i can ssh in the kubuntu box Agent_bob
[04:42] <mr--t> monkfish http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=792092
[04:43] <se7en> just scp doesn't work
[04:43] <m0nkfish> oof thanks mrt
[04:43] <m0nkfish> that is exactly my setup (hardy and toshiba realtek)
[04:43] <Agent_bob> se7en haven't changed my mind one byte
[04:44] <Agent_bob> se7en still sounds like you don't have read permission on the source files
[04:44] <HollowPoint> frybye, I was referring to a backup Tape Device in new HP Servers not wireless usb adapters but yeah your point is none the less true lol
[04:44] <se7en> well debian root scp --> kubuntu doesn't work
[04:44] <HollowPoint> yeah you probably don't have the rights in kubuntu to actually place the file there
[04:44] <se7en> ssh to kubuntu sudo scp from debian to kubuntu doesn't work as well
[04:44] <HollowPoint> ie the place you are trying to save the file, you don't have rights to
[04:45] <HollowPoint> make sure you're logged into the console as root, THEN ssh to the Debian box and do the SCP, you might have better luck
[04:45] <mr--t> monkfish google is a wonderfull thing lol
[04:45] <mr--t> nite all
[04:45] <HollowPoint> nite mate
[04:45] <Agent_bob> se7en you do know that $USER on one box/system  may not = $USER on another.  i.e. permissions issue.  be root on both.    scp root@source.ip:file root@dest.ip:/path
[04:46] <Agent_bob> root is almost always $UID = 0
[04:46] <Agent_bob> and at any rate almost always the super user
[04:47] <HollowPoint> Kubuntu does have an annoying feature sometimes where if you try to write a file to an area you don't have permission to write to it just writes a zero file
[04:47] <se7en> Agent_bob: nop doesn't do it ... works to other debian boxes so ... only kubunutu makes problems ...
[04:48] <Agent_bob> it shouldn't even make an empty inode HollowPoint
[04:48] <Agent_bob> key word "should"
[04:48] <Agent_bob> se7en interesting.  what version ?
[04:49] <se7en> 8.04 Agent_bob
[04:49] <Agent_bob> too new for me to test.  but file a bug.
[04:49] <se7en> Agent_bob: samba has the same problem i can copy out but not in ... just checked that ... ???
[04:49] <HollowPoint> I've done scp from kubuntu to kubuntu previously
[04:50] <HollowPoint> on Hardy I mean
[04:50] <Agent_bob> i'd say it's a bug   but not sure where.
[04:51] <HollowPoint> well I'm assuming you heard about the problem with RSA keys in all Debian based systems?
[04:51] <HollowPoint> and I'm not talking about recent ones either, I'm talking about 2 years ago apparently
[04:51] <EvolElm0> afternoon all
[04:52] <HollowPoint> some dev "accidentally" removed something from the randomizer that's used to create ssl certs and rsa keys, means it's possible for someone to brute force into a system quickly
[04:52] <Agent_bob> se7en as per the origenal question.   *buntu is not actually "linux" per'se   linux is the kernel and at the kernel level one "GNU/Linux" distrobution differs very little from another.   that's not to say that ubuntu didn't/doesn't mess with the kernel too.    only saying that the problem is more likely in the GNU user land apps/configs than in the kernel.
[04:55] <jsilverman2> hello
[04:55] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint yeah i only heard bits and peaces on that.   know any quick test to see if a system is affected ?
[04:55] <jsilverman2> strigi links from konqueror shell firefox which complains that it has no protocol handler for strigi:
[04:55] <jsilverman2> how do i fix this?
[04:55] <jsilverman2> i want strigi: to shell konqueror
[04:56] <HollowPoint> ALL Debian systems are affected, only way I know of at present to fix it is uninstall ssh and re-install it by compiling it from scratch and as for ssl certs I haven't looked into fixing that as I don't have any.
[04:57] <m0nkfish> ok im getting somewhere :D
[04:57] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint "all" is a broad range.   i'm still using dapper...
[04:57] <HollowPoint> yeah you might just about be safe then, I know it happened about 2 years ago and no one knew about it until now, Dapper could be a close call, google the problem "debian based ssl issues" and see if Dapper was affected or not
[04:57] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint i know a guy using potato
[04:58] <Agent_bob> k
[04:59] <HollowPoint> see I was interested to know if Gentoo was affected or not, as it was originally Debian based, it seems when they changed to be Fedora Core based (A year or two ago I think) they also inherited the ssl stuff instead of carrying over debians
[04:59] <HollowPoint> well done m0nkfish
[04:59] <HollowPoint> how far are you getting?\
[04:59] <m0nkfish> well wlan0 now shows my card
[04:59] <HollowPoint> nice one
[04:59] <EvolElm0> this is going to be interesting.. currently attempting to get WOW working.. :S
[04:59] <HollowPoint> slightly more detailed question then, what ISN'T working? lol
[05:00] <m0nkfish> network manager still isn't giving me a list of wireless networks
[05:00] <HollowPoint> EvolElm0 I wouldn't even try without crossover, just not worth the hassle for the results you'll get
[05:00] <m0nkfish> could you do me a favour please and scroll up to find mr--t's link from earlier
[05:00] <m0nkfish> i lost the url
[05:00] <HollowPoint> what does your /etc/network/interfaces file look like
[05:00] <HollowPoint> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=792092
[05:01] <m0nkfish> er... can i paste 6 lines..?
[05:01] <m0nkfish> thanks
[05:01] <HollowPoint> just tell me whats in it
[05:01] <HollowPoint> does it detail eth0 or wlan0 at all?.
[05:01] <Odd-rationale> m0nkfish: > 3 should be in the pastebin... :)
[05:01] <EvolElm0> HollowPoint: go for a dual boot instead?
[05:01] <HollowPoint> nah, get crossover
[05:02] <EvolElm0> *googles*
[05:02] <m0nkfish> 'auto wlan0'
[05:02] <HollowPoint> I don't use WoW myself but I've heard it's hard to install unless you have crossover installed and doesn't give the results people wanted
[05:02] <m0nkfish> 'iface wlan0 inet dhcp'
[05:02] <HollowPoint> ok save a copy of the file as /etc/network/interfaces.old
[05:03] <HollowPoint> and edit the file by removing everything about wlan0, and save it as /etc/network/interfaces
[05:03] <HollowPoint> before you do that though
[05:03] <HollowPoint> you'll need to stop networking
[05:03] <HollowPoint> so /etc/init.d/networking stop
[05:03] <HollowPoint> then edit the files
[05:03] <HollowPoint> then /etc/init.d/networking start
[05:03] <m0nkfish> ok thanks :)
[05:03] <HollowPoint> then check knetworkmanager
[05:04] <EvolElm0> oh.. crossover = $40USD?
[05:04] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint between September 2006 and May 13th, 2008 may be affected.  << post dapper   :)
[05:05]  * Agent_bob goes to kick heck out of his ssh door now just to see if brute force gets in....
[05:06] <m0nkfish> right
[05:06] <m0nkfish> i removed the wlan0 stuff
[05:06] <m0nkfish> and it shows up wireless networks :D
[05:06] <HollowPoint> cool for you Agent_bob
[05:07] <m0nkfish> but i think the problem is WEP compatibility now
[05:07] <HollowPoint> WEP works fine, you might have a problem with WPA though
[05:07] <HollowPoint> yeah EvolElm0 it costs $40 USD but it's cheaper than Windows and it works well with alot of programs, I use it for MS Office for those occassions where I ABSOLUTELY HAVE to use MS Office
[05:08] <EvolElm0> fair enough.. ill put a bit more research in to it.. probably see how it runs with wine first..
[05:08] <HollowPoint> cool
[05:08] <HollowPoint> I run Star Trek Elite Force II on Wine perfectly
[05:09] <HollowPoint> I had to install it on a windows box first (God bless Virtualbox so I don't actually have to run windows) and then copy the installation over to wine
[05:09] <HollowPoint> then made a couple of changes in regedit using Wine and it works lovelly
[05:09] <EvolElm0> dont really wanna slice up one of the TB drives to half windows/nix
[05:09] <HollowPoint> like I said
[05:09] <HollowPoint> Virtualbox matey
[05:09] <HollowPoint> it's in the repos
[05:09] <tuxwulf> HollowPoint: ST Elite Force is a heavy game?
[05:09] <m0nkfish> ok gonna try out my WEP network
[05:09] <Agent_bob> anyway to get "dpmi" in wine ?
[05:10] <HollowPoint> reasonably heavy tuxwulf year
[05:10] <HollowPoint> it's an FPS game
[05:10] <HollowPoint> ok m0nkfish
[05:10] <HollowPoint> dpmi?
[05:10] <Agent_bob> dos protected mode interface
[05:10] <Agent_bob> interface ?
[05:11] <Agent_bob> not sure about the last word
[05:11] <m0nkfish> yeah still having problems connecting :(
[05:11] <tuxwulf> HollowPoint:  Cool...  Must try such things.. switch is easily made...
[05:11] <m0nkfish> the networks show up fine
[05:11] <Agent_bob> the older model "command prompt"
[05:11] <m0nkfish> and i can actually 'connect' to mine
[05:12] <m0nkfish> but can't load web pages or make irc connections etc
[05:12] <Agent_bob> need to find the source to the C64 "red storm rising" and port it to linux ;/
[05:13] <HollowPoint> you should probably try rebooting the PC with the cable unplugged mate, mess about with it for ten minutes to see if you can sort it using knetworkmanager, then come back and tell us, if you can't get it working reboot again with the cable plugged in
[05:13] <m0nkfish> will do
[05:13] <m0nkfish> ta
[05:13] <HollowPoint> it is possible to do it without rebooting but it's the quickest easiest way for me to get you to do it lol
[05:13] <HollowPoint> I play Paperboy on linux
[05:13] <HollowPoint> ported from C64 to Windows and play it in Wine :D
[05:13]  * Agent_bob </knods?
[05:13] <Agent_bob> >
[05:13] <HollowPoint> god I'm a geek
[05:14] <tuxwulf> HollowPoint: ... go with the feeling, it's a good thing...
[05:14] <Agent_bob> i have rsr ported to dos  but it doesn't work in qemu + win9x   nor normal wine
[05:15] <aobo> Hi
[05:15] <Agent_bob> it runs in qemu  but the timming is normalx40k
[05:15] <aobo> Can i please get some help with scp command?
[05:15] <aobo> im trying to download a file from remote server to my computer
[05:15] <HollowPoint> what help do you need?
[05:15] <HollowPoint> you using Hardy?
[05:15] <aobo> no...
[05:15] <aobo> just normal scp
[05:16] <HollowPoint> no as in Kubuntu Hardy Heron?
[05:16] <aobo> scp yourname@yourserver:desktop/assi3
[05:16] <aobo> doesnt work
[05:16] <aobo> well i m not sure...
[05:16] <aobo> never heard of it
[05:16] <Agent_bob> aobo scp user@ip.address:/path/to/file dest-user@dest-ip.address:/path/to/dest
[05:16] <HollowPoint> you are in Linux?
[05:16] <aobo> yeah
[05:16] <HollowPoint> what version of Linux?
[05:17] <HollowPoint> are you wireless monkfish?
[05:17] <aobo> kubuntu
[05:17] <monkfish> its...
[05:17] <aobo> no.
[05:17] <monkfish> its working...
[05:17] <HollowPoint> lmfao
[05:17] <monkfish> i dont understand how lol
[05:17] <HollowPoint> nice one monkfish
[05:17] <HollowPoint> I telepathically made it work
[05:17] <monkfish> im on WPA
[05:18] <aobo> agent bob. i tried that
[05:18] <HollowPoint> aobo when did you install kubuntu?
[05:18] <aobo> ssh: aobo-desktop: Name or service not known
[05:18] <aobo> lost connection
[05:18] <monkfish> thanks for all your help HollowPoint
[05:18] <aobo> a while ago.
[05:18] <HollowPoint> np monk
[05:18] <Agent_bob> aobo you may be experancing the latest *buntu bug.
[05:18] <aobo> argh!!!!!!!!
[05:18] <HollowPoint> so you're not able to ssh to the machine you're trying to copy from?
[05:18] <aobo> nope
[05:18] <HollowPoint> that could be the start of the problem lol
[05:19] <aobo> this assignment is due in like a few hours and i left the files at school
[05:19] <aobo> :S
[05:19] <Boohbah> aobo: aobo-desktop is NOT an IP address
[05:19] <aobo> oh
[05:19] <Agent_bob> aobo you have to be able to ssh in to use scp
[05:19] <Boohbah> aobo: unless you have DNS or hosts setup it will not resolve
[05:19] <aobo> i did ssh in
[05:19] <aobo> i can look at al the files
[05:20] <HollowPoint> Anyone else confused now?
[05:20] <aobo> lol
[05:20] <Agent_bob> aobo use the same address for scp that you did for ssh
[05:20] <aobo> i did...
[05:20] <EvolElm0> what programming tools do we all use?
[05:20] <HollowPoint> do you have a VPN to the school?
[05:20] <monkfish> kate :)
[05:20] <Boohbah> EvolElm0: the ones for the task at hand
[05:20] <aobo> :S i have no idea
[05:20] <HollowPoint> nano :D
[05:20] <Agent_bob> aobo if ssh works and scp only makes empty files   it's a known bug i think.
[05:20] <aobo> all im trying to do is download a few files from school to my computer. i have established the connection
[05:20] <frogonwheels> vim
[05:20] <Boohbah> vim
[05:21] <Boohbah> gcc
[05:21] <aobo> upload works though
[05:21] <aobo> i can upload files
[05:21] <Boohbah> gdb
[05:21] <frogonwheels> I use vim on windoze with delphi :)
[05:21] <HollowPoint> you can scp TO the machine but not from?
[05:21] <aobo> if that means uploading to school server but not download ... then yes
[05:21] <Agent_bob> aobo open konqueror and use     fish://source-ip.address:/         < translate the address of course
[05:21] <aobo> ahhh
[05:22] <Boohbah> aobo: have you thought about firewalls? they could be filtering port 22
[05:22] <aobo> :S all these technical stuff lol
[05:22] <Boohbah> aobo: what did you expect? you're using linux
[05:23] <Agent_bob> fish in konq is sweet
[05:23] <aobo> fish doesnt work
[05:23] <Boohbah> aobo: you fail
[05:23] <Agent_bob> if you can ssh in you should be able to fish in
[05:23] <aobo> or... i can just try figure out whats wrong with my assignment
[05:23] <aobo> then upload it ...
[05:23] <aobo> stupid java
[05:23] <aobo> :(
[05:23] <aobo> code looks fine
[05:23] <aobo> but nothing come out
[05:24] <Agent_bob> or maybe    fish://user@address    i think that works too
[05:25] <aobo> nope.
[05:26] <Agent_bob> aobo heh.  wait.    you can ssh in, and look at the code ?   you have it locally then  just do     ssh user@address cat file > file
[05:27] <Agent_bob> the redirrect will be local because it's the terminal that is being redirrected not the remote shell
[05:27] <aobo> @_@
[05:27] <Agent_bob> ;/
[05:27] <aobo> hmm
[05:27] <aobo> tell me how to open a java file in kate?
[05:27] <aobo> :S
[05:27] <aobo> i have files there and i need to look at them
[05:28] <aobo> kate *.java?
[05:28] <Agent_bob> yep
[05:28] <HollowPoint> nano Roxorz
[05:28] <Agent_bob> but kdevelop would probobably be better
[05:28] <aobo> partch:~/Desktop/assi3> kate Cell.java
[05:28] <aobo> kate: cannot connect to X server
[05:29] <aobo> :S
[05:29] <Agent_bob> aobo heh   get it local   like i said.
[05:30] <Agent_bob> exit the ssh shell   and run  the same ssh command but add     cat /path/to/file.java > file.java      to the end of it,  and open with anything you want.
[05:31] <HollowPoint> so lemme get this straight, you're using linux at home, you're using linux at school, you know how to ssh and scp and you're writing something in Java using a text editor, yet you're asking us for help?
[05:31] <EvolElm0> test
[05:32] <EvolElm0> i can see!
[05:32] <HollowPoint> you can?
[05:32] <aobo> yes...
[05:32] <HollowPoint> wickid
[05:32] <HollowPoint> what were you testing?
[05:32] <aobo> come on its Uni
[05:32] <aobo> i barely pulled the java out of my butt
[05:32] <EvolElm0> new res and new refrest rate.. heh
[05:32] <EvolElm0> but i lost my 2nd moniter..
[05:32] <HollowPoint> aaaaaaaaaaah
[05:32] <HollowPoint> lol
[05:32] <HollowPoint> what are you using to configure the monitors and res?
[05:32] <HollowPoint> randr?
[05:32] <EvolElm0> twinview
[05:33] <HollowPoint> cool, same as me
[05:33] <aobo> ssh u4526644@partch.anu.edu.au cat Desktop/assi3/Cell.java > Cell.java
[05:33] <aobo> okay thats what i typed in
[05:33] <HollowPoint> have to use randr on my laptop cos it doesn't have an nvidia card :(
[05:33] <aobo> asked for pwd and i entered it and nothing happened
[05:33] <Agent_bob> aobo good.  now open the file you just copied to your $PWD
[05:34] <HollowPoint> when you edited the new res did you edit xorg.conf directly or did you use the gui in Kubuntu?\
[05:34] <aobo> there is no file.
[05:34] <aobo> Cell.java is no where to be seen on my computer... where would it be?
[05:34] <Agent_bob> $PWD
[05:34] <Agent_bob> echo $PWD    will expand that for you
[05:35] <aobo> im really lost...
[05:35] <EvolElm0> used the gui.. saved it..
[05:35] <frybye> Hi - whats the best app to use to put an image of the system onto a neighbouring pc??
[05:35] <aobo> what does cat do again?
[05:36] <HollowPoint> there's your mistake, DON'T use the gui
[05:36] <frybye> to use for recovery if necessary...? (assuming that on then boots with a live cd to restore?)
[05:36] <Agent_bob> aobo   man cat      in short same as dos "type"
[05:36] <EvolElm0> HollowPoint: really?
[05:36] <HollowPoint> frybye there's a program called shadow protect but it's not open source or free
[05:37] <funcrush> kwin doesn't start at boot after I updated. How can I fix?
[05:37] <HollowPoint> yeah GUI will F**K your xorg.conf
[05:37] <HollowPoint> it's broked!
[05:37] <EvolElm0> ah rite
[05:37] <Odd-rationale> dd might work in a hitch...
[05:37] <frybye> HollowPoint: and something that is open source/free??
[05:37] <HollowPoint> I used something the other day and can't rightly remember what it was now, basically ghosted an entire drive image into a file
[05:38] <HollowPoint> google linux file recovery
[05:38] <Agent_bob> frybye dd is a linux standard for that purpose
[05:38] <frybye> HollowPoint: using the kubuntu-live cd to restore?
[05:38] <HollowPoint> yeah think it was dd
[05:38] <EvolElm0> HollowPoint: same deal if ur using ubuntu?
[05:38] <frybye> ok.. tks.. I will go look...
[05:38] <Agent_bob> frybye tar is what i would reccomend tho
[05:38] <aobo> im gonna kill myself
[05:38] <aobo> :(
[05:38] <HollowPoint> as far as I know EvolElm0 yeah
[05:38] <Odd-rationale> frybye: there was something along those line in this issue of the fullcirclemagazine: http://fullcirclemagazine.org/2008/04/24/one-year-of-full-circle/
[05:38] <frybye> Agent_bob: something not too complicated to use..
[05:39] <HollowPoint> right I'm off out to the shop for a bit, back later
[05:39] <EvolElm0> so how do i edit that file? never done it before
[05:39] <HollowPoint_AwY> nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:40] <HollowPoint_AwY> but I would google it
[05:40] <HollowPoint_AwY> google "twinview dual monitors xorg.conf"
[05:40] <HollowPoint_AwY> takes some playing with but there are plenty of tutorials out there
[05:41] <EvolElm0> cool thx
[05:42] <Agent_bob> frybye tar     like this maybe.       from the remote machine,     ssh root@ip.address tar  -lczf - / > backup-ipaddress.tar.gz                simple enough for me.  </shrugs>
[05:44] <Agent_bob> one could even pipe that back into tar and have it extract locally....             | tar -xf - -C /ipaddress/storage/root/dir
[05:45] <axel> Hello! After unsuccessfully trying the 3D-effects in Hardy the [Alt]+[Tab]-behaviour changed. Before the test of the effects a little window was displayed in the center of the screen providing information about the window which would open if the [Alt]-key was released. Now, after the test, holding [Alt] and pressing [tab] windows get the active status. How to get the old behavior back?
[05:47] <Agent_bob> axel delete the home config that changed.   but i can't tell you which one that was, only that it's probably in ~/.kde*/share/<somewhere>
[05:48] <Agent_bob> find ~/.kde*        -amin n
[05:48] <Agent_bob>               File was last accessed n minutes ago.
[05:49] <Agent_bob> find ~/.kde* -amin 20       if it was within 20 minutes you did the testing...
[05:49] <axel> Agent_bob: Thanks. The Problem is that the test took place some hours ago and I have worked in the meantime.
[05:49] <frybye> Odd-rationale: the method using partimage in the magazine is rather complex for a newbie - I have acronis live image here but it seems to take forever to resolve the local network and -see- the other pc - any tips on fixing that??
[05:50] <Agent_bob> so use        -cmin n
[05:50] <Agent_bob>               File's status was last changed n minutes ago.
[05:51] <frybye> agent bob - what you are suggesting if perhaps simple for a person with some degree of background linux knowledge- which i am only just starting on...
[05:51] <Agent_bob> no  -amin would still be better    but you know that 600 minutes = 10 hours
[05:51] <frybye> perhaps someone knows a trick to get acronis to resolve the netwsork a bit faster...?
[05:52] <frybye> is sometimes seems to take either -forever- or fails completly...
[05:52] <krapper> hi. After changing the graphics card in the Display Settings, kubuntu fails to boot. I can get into recovery mode. How can I fix this?
[05:52] <Agent_bob> frybye ok.  sorry for any confusion.
[05:52] <Odd-rationale> frybye: i never used acronis. sorry...
[05:53] <axel> Agent_bob: Nothing worked.
[05:53] <frybye> Odd-rationale: when it works it is fine..(is also just a spec. linux system of course..)
[05:53] <frogonwheels> krapper: assuming by 'fails to boot'  you mean kdm doesn't start up?
[05:53] <krapper> frogonwheels: yup
[05:53] <frybye> ok - I will try again with acronis - the other stuff here is beyond me a bit for the moment...
[05:53] <frogonwheels> krapper:   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:53] <frogonwheels> possibly will reset.
[05:54] <frogonwheels> I've found that the graphics card display settings editor is worse than useless.
[05:54] <krapper> frogonwheels: are you sure that will work? my version of kubuntu is pretty old.
[05:54] <krapper> the version before Feisty Fawn, i think
[05:54] <frogonwheels> krapper:  that will go through the promts and set up a default xorg.conf
[05:54] <Agent_bob> axel ?    as in ?    find didn't find a file ?    deleting the file didn't change anything ? (restart of kde required "ctrl+alt+backspace")    all of the above ???
[05:55] <frogonwheels> that's been round since b4 ubuntu
[05:55] <krapper> frogonwheels: oh, ok. Thanks a million!
[05:55] <axel> find /home/axel/.kde* -amin 1200
[05:55] <axel> find: /home/axel/.kde/share/apps/kvpnc: Permission denied
[05:55]  * krapper hugs frogonwheels and gets back to the stuff
[05:56] <axel> Agent_bob: I performed also a restart since testing
[05:56] <axel> Agent_bob: I did not even find a file.
[05:56] <Agent_bob> axel ummm  did you by any chance "install" things and test ?
[05:57] <navetz> hey can anyone here please help me get my windows key working agiain. I messed up something with my keyboard settings and now the key is not working, please help
[05:57] <axel> Agent_bob: I had to install the Compiz-engine.
[05:58] <Agent_bob> axel ok.   i'm not sure what that package "might have" removed or over writen.   you better ask in the compiz channel seeing that the change was not in your home dir.
[05:58] <axel> Agent_bob: K-Menue > System > Desktop Effects
[05:58] <Agent_bob> !compiz
[05:58] <nubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:59] <axel> Agent_bob: then I clicked on the button install.
[05:59] <Agent_bob>                   ^
[05:59] <Agent_bob> out of my scope.
[06:00] <arcl> holding ALT, using the mouse to move the window.
[06:00] <axel> Agent_bob, nubotu: Thanks.
[06:00] <Agent_bob> sorry axel, thought you only had a config issue.   have to hand you off to a dev on that one.
[06:01] <Agent_bob> welcome
[06:02] <Agent_bob> arcl and ?
[06:05] <Agent_bob> ifconfig -a   yelds an  sit0   what is that interface ?
[06:07] <Agent_bob> !wifi
[06:07] <nubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:08] <Agent_bob> atheros    hard / easy to get working ?
[06:08] <axel> Agent_bob: There was one single checkbox to activate.
[06:09] <Agent_bob> axel ah where ?
[06:09] <axel> Agent_bob: System Settings > Window Behaviour > Window "features" > the first one in "navigation"
[06:09] <Agent_bob> cool.
[06:09]  * Agent_bob notes
[06:11] <axel> Agent_bob: I saw this earlier but I did not think that this checkbox would have that effect.
[06:11] <axel> Agent_bob: Thanks again for your help.
[06:11] <Agent_bob> welcome.
[06:13] <millak> hey, I'm having trouble compiling kxdocker
[06:13] <millak> says "configure: error: C compiler canot create executables"
[06:14] <Agent_bob> install "build-essential"
[06:14] <Agent_bob> !b-e
[06:14] <nubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[06:14] <millak> Oh right, thank you
[06:15] <Agent_bob> welcome.
[06:16] <millak> hm, another problem, but I'll take a look at that help file first .)
[06:16]  * Agent_bob wonders where millak's other eye is o.O
[06:18] <millak> No, couldn't find help from that file for this: now it says "Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"
[06:19] <millak> What are "X includes" anyways?
[06:20] <Snowman108> I just upgraded and I used to be able to use xcall now it seems to be gone...anyone know whats up?
[06:20] <Snowman108> Listen also
[06:20] <Agent_bob> probably a package named xorg-dev   or some such.   apt-cache search "X includes"   might know.   sudo apt-get install <packagename>   should grab it .
[06:20] <Agent_bob> @ millak   ^
[06:21] <Agent_bob> millak general rule of thumb when compiling,   "headers/includes/..." normally means some -dev package
[06:22] <Agent_bob> Snowman108 not a kloo here.
[06:23] <millak> right... so when it doesn't find Qt headers that means that I need a qt-dev package of some sort
[06:23] <Snowman108> this sucks... looks like I may have to go back to 7.4
[06:25] <Agent_bob> millak yep
[06:26] <Daisuke_Ido> Snowman108: what's xcall
[06:26] <Agent_bob> !info xcall
[06:26] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info xcall, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[06:28] <Agent_bob> the wiki says atheros works oob ?   how far back can one expect that to hold true ???  dapper even ?
[06:29] <Snowman108> it is used whith node to call another node or packet station  (amature radio)
[06:29] <Freethinker_AU> I read I can install Kubuntu Hardy Heron as an application through Windows, then uninstall if I don't like the program. Can Kubuntu Hardy Heron still be uninstalled if I installed it to a separate hard drive?
[06:29] <Snowman108> Listen would listen on all the ports to moitor all the traffic
[06:30] <Agent_bob> !wubi
[06:30] <nubotu> Wubi is an Ubuntu installer for Windows users that allows you to install and uninstall Ubuntu like a Windows application, in a simple and safe way. http://wubi-installer.org/support.php for troubleshooting. Please file bugs at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug.
[06:30] <Agent_bob> Freethinker_AU ^
[06:30] <Daisuke_Ido> Agent_bob: depends on how long madwifi's been included
[06:30] <Agent_bob> Freethinker_AU short answer is "yes"
[06:31] <HollowPoint> you can install Hardy Heron along side Windows anyway as a dualboot system and grub automatically configures to boot Windows as well, removing it is also possible but you have to do a fix mbr in windows setup after removing the Linux Partitions
[06:31] <Freethinker_AU> Ty Agent_bob I am very grateful for your answer
[06:31] <Agent_bob> Daisuke_Ido ?    madwifi ?    is that a package ?
[06:31] <Daisuke_Ido> HollowPoint: and that's why there's wubi - a lot of people don't feel comfortable taking what they perceive to be that large of a risk with their pc
[06:31] <Freethinker_AU> Ty HollowPoint
[06:31] <Daisuke_Ido> !madwifi
[06:32] <nubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:32] <Agent_bob> ;/
[06:32] <Agent_bob> !info madwifi
[06:32] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info madwifi, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[06:32] <tuxwulf> HollowPoint: YOU seem quite knowledgable in Kubuntu eh... With Heron, how come I can install from alt CD but after install and restart, screen stays dark? Or rather, what can I do about it to make it work?
[06:34] <HollowPoint> why do you want to install from the alt cd?
[06:34] <Agent_bob> tuxwulf i know that wasn't addressed to me.  but that sounds like a kernel framebuffer & xorg module conflict     simple answer is stop using boot splash and make sure xorg is configured correctly.   or.   use vesa as the xorg driver.
[06:35] <HollowPoint> or install from the standard installer cd and then edit your installation once it's installed
[06:35] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint because it's a commong issue that many can not get the gui up in the live CD
[06:35] <HollowPoint> unless there's a specific reason for installing from the alt cd
[06:36] <HollowPoint> that seems odd, any idea which graphics chipset that problem is with?
[06:36] <Agent_bob> ati mostely
[06:36] <HollowPoint> surprise
[06:36] <HollowPoint> NOT!
[06:37] <Agent_bob> sometimes a "noacpi" at boot of the live CD will work around it.
[06:37] <Freethinker_AU> Ty all for your help
[06:37] <HollowPoint> never had a problem with the live cd tbh on ati, intel or nvidia chipsets but I haven't used every single model of each chipset obviously
[06:37] <Agent_bob> but a lappy with acpi permanantly disabled is not reasonable.
[06:37] <HollowPoint> didn't realise was such a common problem
[06:38] <tuxwulf> Agent_bob: HollowPoint > Correct, the live CD does not start up, screen stays blank. ATI chipset.
[06:38] <Agent_bob> i've seen it many times.    and up close and personal too
[06:38] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmm
[06:39] <HollowPoint> do you even get the kubuntu boot screen where you have an option of installing in different methods?
[06:39] <tuxwulf> So I downloaded the alt CD, install works ok, no errors, just afterwards, screen stays blank.
[06:40] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint yes   and the splash works up to start of xorg   then  black screen of *buntu
[06:40] <tuxwulf> I therefore am forced to use text installer, andf that goes well. But .. I can not really remember well if the installer ever asks me to configure x-settigns myself
[06:40] <tuxwulf> I suppose I have to start the installer with some options
[06:40] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint and you can't switch back to a console   the vidio chip is in some wierd mode that leaves you in the dark until hard reset.
[06:41] <HollowPoint> ok well while the splash screen is running you should be able to press alt ctrl f1 and get into a console session, at which point you can re-configure X
[06:41] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint not enough time   when xorg starts, it's lights out.
[06:41] <HollowPoint> nah WHILE the splash screen is running
[06:42] <Agent_bob> there is no console durring that....
[06:42] <Agent_bob> try it.   the live CD is not quite like the installed system
[06:43] <HollowPoint> yeah there is, the splash screen is just hiding the text which in some other linux installations would be showing you what was being loaded, just wait till it gets about 3/4 of the way through and hit ctrl alt f1
[06:43] <Agent_bob> or do you mean the "grub" shell ?
[06:43] <HollowPoint> neither
[06:43] <Agent_bob> you can't configure xorg from there...
[06:43] <tuxwulf> Spalsh screen... like when that cylon light is running to and fro?
[06:43] <HollowPoint> I mean after install
[06:43] <HollowPoint> ie you install from the alt cd
[06:43] <HollowPoint> then reboot
[06:43] <HollowPoint> then during Kubuntu splash screen where the progress bar is going accross at about 3/4 you should be able to get into console
[06:44] <Agent_bob> right.   i'm with that.    and like i said.   stop using splash so the vidio doesn't go into fb mode will usually fix it.
[06:45] <tuxwulf> WHoa... not one but two knowledgables here...
[06:45] <tuxwulf> thanks!
[06:45] <tuxwulf> I will try and let you know.. may not be this evening though
[06:45] <Agent_bob> i simply boot with vga=normal nosplash     and violah   but that doesn't word with all hw.
[06:46] <Agent_bob> tuxwulf there are details on the web about this issue too.  you can check with google about it too.
[06:47] <Agent_bob> s/word/work/     i don't know why the d and k get so confused on my kbd
[06:48] <Agent_bob> and h and n do that too
[06:48] <Agent_bob> i'm not lysdexic.  really i'm not.
[06:49] <HollowPoint> nah mate its your keyboard
[06:50] <HollowPoint> mine does it from time to time too
[06:50] <HollowPoint> like it tries to teach me a lesson when I'm pissed and stuff
[06:50] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:50] <Agent_bob> ^5
[06:50] <millak> huu, I got kxdocker compiled! But I don't see a way to configure it...
[06:50] <HollowPoint> no idea, never used it sorry
[06:51] <millak> oh dear
[06:51] <Agent_bob> would madwifi be in the restricted area ?
[06:51] <millak> I'm also open to recommendations on a different program that does roughly the same thing...
[06:52] <HollowPoint> what does it do?
[06:52] <Agent_bob> what kind of crippled bot is this nubotu anyway ?     !info doesn't work
[06:53] <bazhang_> not til monday
[06:53] <HollowPoint> lmao
[06:53] <Agent_bob> it is monday !
[06:53] <bazhang_> db being brought online from crashed server
[06:53] <just-this-time> \o
[06:53] <just-this-time> Failed to startup volume : No such file or directory
[06:53] <just-this-time> Volume is corrupt. You should run chkdsk.
[06:53] <Agent_bob> well not in some far west tz maybe...
[06:54] <just-this-time> any cnance to repair an ntfs of vista from within kubuntu?
[06:54] <just-this-time> vista repari itself failed
[06:54] <just-this-time> also trying to backup broken vista install
[06:55] <HollowPoint> I'm in NZ it's nearly Tuesday for me
[06:55] <Agent_bob> just-this-time can you boot to the recovery console ?     run chkdsk like it says
[06:55] <just-this-time> Agent_bob: ty
[06:55] <simula> is there any way to get the system clock on AM/PM time rather than military 24 hour time?  (KDE 4 remix - kubuntu 8.04)
[06:56] <Agent_bob> just-this-time also there is a windows channel here    #windows   you might get help there
[06:56] <Agent_bob> simula right click it and configure ?
[06:57] <just-this-time> well now it is vista issue sorry, visat does some tries to repair which apparently failed, this kubuntu here is on same sda drive on neosmart boot
[06:57] <Agent_bob> i think it's in the lang& section
[06:57] <simula> agent_bob... there is no such option in the dialog provided :/
[06:57] <simula> kde 4 and all
[06:57] <just-this-time> yep Agent_bob ##WINDOWS will check
[06:57] <HollowPoint> just-this-time you can run chkdsk from inside windows in the cli, no need for recovery console, just go into cmd and run chkdsk /? it'll tell you how to force the drive to unmount before the check runs and then you'll have to reboot, it'll do the check as it boots.
[06:58] <Agent_bob> simula ah kde4  that's out of my scope too.   and there is a channel for that
[06:58] <Agent_bob> !kde4
[06:58] <just-this-time> HollowPoint: ty vista not booting , trying endlessly to repair
[06:58] <nubotu> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[06:58] <simula> thank you sir
[06:58] <HollowPoint> ah ok
[06:58] <just-this-time> while kubunut alive and well , ha
[06:59] <HollowPoint> in that case just do as Agent_bob said
[06:59] <HollowPoint> boot to recovery console using windows disk
[06:59] <HollowPoint> preferrably Win XP disk tbh
[06:59] <HollowPoint> then while in recovery console run chkdsk
[06:59] <just-this-time> ah burn a windows recovery boot?
[06:59] <HollowPoint> nooooooooooooooo
[06:59] <HollowPoint> windows install disk
[07:00] <HollowPoint> watch the bottom of the screen as it loads files and it'll ask you to press a button to enter recovery console
[07:00]  * Agent_bob points at ##windows again and taps fingure nails on desk...
[07:01] <just-this-time> dont make me laugh HollowPoint tis vista, they sold so called oem having only an on partition recovery which overwrites vista partition
[07:01] <just-this-time> Agent_bob: NP
[07:01] <just-this-time> was with HollowPoint
[07:01] <HollowPoint> if not once it's booted to the installer you'll have an option to repair an existing windows installation
[07:01] <just-this-time> seee?
[07:01] <HollowPoint> lol I'm a Senior Windows Engineer
[07:01] <just-this-time> bye for now
[07:02] <HollowPoint> see ya
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[07:02] <HollowPoint> what does that mean?
[07:02] <jussi01> !ot
[07:02] <nubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:03]  * HollowPoint demands to know what </click...click...click> means
[07:03]  * Agent_bob points at ##windows again and taps fingure nails on desk...
[07:03] <HollowPoint> lmao
[07:03] <HollowPoint> he's gone
[07:04] <Agent_bob> closing html tag </*>   or xml or what ever.
[07:04] <HollowPoint> ah ok
[07:05] <HollowPoint> theFATMAN is back!
[07:05] <tuxwulf> !dolphin |tuxwulf
[07:05] <Agent_bob> you senior developers types....   i sware.        :)
[07:05] <HollowPoint> nah not a dev
[07:05] <HollowPoint> am an I.T. engineer mate
[07:06] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: lol, how are ya, mate?
[07:06] <HollowPoint> I work with Windows, Linux, Cisco etc fixing things that break and setting up new systems/networks
[07:06]  * jussi01 points at #kubuntu-offtopic 
[07:06] <HollowPoint> not bad theFATMAN yourself?
[07:06] <theFATMAN> nice, i'm studying for a lowly A+ now
[07:06] <theFATMAN> i'm good
[07:07]  * HollowPoint asks jussi01 why he pointed at a channel I don't want to go to
[07:07] <theFATMAN> looking forward to being a regular old pc tech 1 day
[07:07] <HollowPoint> you won't stay as one for long mate
[07:07] <jussi01> HollowPoint: Please keep this channel free for support discussion - #kubuntu-offtopic for general chat
[07:08] <HollowPoint> support discussion like I've been doing for about 6 hours you mean? ok will do
[07:08] <just-this-time> try not to burnout ;-)
[07:08] <theFATMAN> so, got a question (again, wow) i have went from ubuntu to kubuntu and went pure kde, my login screen is still ubuntu, how do i change that?
[07:08] <HollowPoint> install kdm
[07:08] <just-this-time> also
[07:08] <just-this-time> !alternatives
[07:09] <nubotu> To change the default applications system-wide, use 'sudo update-alternatives --all' in a terminal.
[07:09] <theFATMAN> mutha! i knew it, i thought that, but in ubuntu channel i was told it wasnt necessary
[07:09] <HollowPoint> I won't burn out just-this-time I've got today off as a holiday for the queens birthday or anniversary or something, so thought I'd log in here and try to be of use
[07:09] <Agent_bob> theFATMAN umm maybe kubuntu-artwork package too ?
[07:09] <theFATMAN> .............
[07:09] <HollowPoint> yeah
[07:09] <HollowPoint> although technically not needed
[07:10] <theFATMAN> checking.........
[07:10] <HollowPoint> has your splash changed?
[07:10] <theFATMAN> yep i have it, and yeah the splash has changed
[07:10] <HollowPoint> cool
[07:10] <Agent_bob> k just checking.
[07:10] <HollowPoint> well install kdm and that should do it I think with Hardy
[07:10] <HollowPoint> should work in Gutsy too
[07:10] <just-this-time> wish me luck with that vista rubbish, thought I couled reach mount, backup from kubuntu
[07:11] <HollowPoint> previous versions/older versions of xorg would require you to change your login manager in the config file
[07:11] <HollowPoint> just-this-time
[07:11] <Agent_bob> gdm doesn't depend on gnome though.     errr does it ?
[07:11] <HollowPoint> I have a tip for you
[07:11] <theFATMAN> but not the login, ok, for sure, yeah i'm using hardy, ummm...how do i just do a custom login screen? i mean install it
[07:11] <HollowPoint> no it doesn't Agent_bob
[07:11] <just-this-time> btw what imaging softwareto take broken vista volume to a file
[07:11] <HollowPoint> just-this-time you want my tip?
[07:11] <HollowPoint> install kdm and then kdm-theme
[07:11] <just-this-time> depends
[07:12] <HollowPoint> when kdm-theme doesn't work come back and ask me how to get your new login screen to work :D
[07:12] <just-this-time> on tip
[07:12] <HollowPoint> remove vista and just run Linux :D
[07:12] <HollowPoint> you'll have LESS headaches
[07:12] <just-this-time> I kenew it
[07:12] <HollowPoint> anyone spot the pun there?
[07:12] <theFATMAN> ahhhh......lol, dude, i will be on here, and i agree with Hollow....vista blows
[07:12] <tuxwulf> Pun?
[07:13] <HollowPoint> or punn
[07:13] <HollowPoint> don't know how you spell it
[07:13] <just-this-time> tis a customers PC i will send him to you , HollowPoint yo convince him to use ubunut and send him to do some reading like we all do ;-)
[07:13] <HollowPoint> using linux you lol
[07:13] <HollowPoint> meh lol
[07:13] <HollowPoint> using linux you will have LESS headaches
[07:14] <tuxwulf> ubunut... like peanut, walnut, coconut?
[07:14] <HollowPoint> no one get it:/
[07:14] <HollowPoint> ?
[07:14] <tuxwulf> HollowPoint:  ... I admit... I missed it... what's your pun?
[07:14] <HollowPoint> my boss doesn't like me using Kubuntu so he calls it Kubutno
[07:14] <just-this-time> xp has sp3 and that makes vista still useless
[07:14] <theFATMAN> i have kdm installed, what would the cmd be?
[07:14] <theFATMAN> to reconfigure
[07:14] <HollowPoint> well try rebooting, see if kdm is your login screen or not
[07:14] <just-this-time> your boss will end up firing you :-
[07:15] <jussi01> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[07:15] <HollowPoint> nah I hope not
[07:15] <Agent_bob> theFATMAN just remove gdm now.
[07:15] <HollowPoint> that'll work too but shouldn't really need to
[07:15] <tuxwulf> Now I still do not get the pun...
[07:15] <Agent_bob> kdm will take over
[07:15] <theFATMAN> jussi01: thanks and Agent_bob: i dont like your tone.....lol
[07:15] <tuxwulf> a darn I been in thSEA too long...
[07:15] <just-this-time> gonna use old and tried , attaching bad partition as asecond drive to a good XP only cure I can think of
[07:15] <just-this-time> bye
[07:16]  * Agent_bob wonders what tone clear text carries...
[07:16] <tuxwulf> b flat
[07:16] <Agent_bob> maybe c flat
[07:16] <HollowPoint> tuxwulf if you wanted to temporarily export the output of a command to a text file what command would you use?
[07:16] <tuxwulf> Orrather, b VERY flat
[07:16] <Agent_bob> :)
[07:17] <tuxwulf> Hollow > tee
[07:17] <Makuseru> are there any way to set functions for multimedia buttons on keyboards?
[07:18] <Agent_bob> |
[07:18] <HollowPoint> yes you would use | but you know full well what I mean bob lol
[07:18] <Agent_bob> !hotkeys
[07:18] <tuxwulf> Yes the | comes before tee
[07:18] <nubotu> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[07:19] <Makuseru> Agent_bob: thank you
[07:19] <Agent_bob> welcome
[07:19] <HollowPoint> let's say you were gunna perform an ls command and you know the contents of the folder is huge so you want it to a text file, which command would you use?
[07:19] <tuxwulf> I do not really see a whole lot of differences between Fawn and Heron...
[07:19] <HollowPoint> after the |
[07:19] <HollowPoint> there are a lot of differences tbh between the two, knetworkmanager is vastly improved
[07:20] <tuxwulf> HollowPoint: ...I'll stop messing with yyou... Yes, pipe to a text file, then use less on it...
[07:20] <HollowPoint> :D
[07:20] <Agent_bob> pipe to less
[07:20] <tuxwulf> knetworkmanager sure could use a few imporovements, that's true
[07:21] <tuxwulf> Yes, could pipe directly to less, I suppose.. I usually  just type twice though...
[07:21] <tuxwulf> .. and I immediately agree, my typing needs improvement for sure...
[07:22] <tuxwulf> So with linux you have less headaches...
[07:22] <tuxwulf> windows | less headaches
[07:22] <tuxwulf> Mmm..
[07:22]  * HollowPoint shakes his head in dismay
[07:23] <Agent_bob> echo "$(<file))" | while read x ;do read p ;done
[07:23] <HollowPoint> oh stop scripting
[07:23] <Agent_bob> kind of a more bypass
[07:23] <HollowPoint> meh
[07:24] <HollowPoint> what time is it where you are anyway? You've been here nearly as long as me
[07:24] <Agent_bob> oh 06:25 zulu
[07:24] <HollowPoint> zulu?
[07:25] <Agent_bob> same time it is where you are   lol
[07:25] <HollowPoint> you're in NZ as well?
[07:25] <tuxwulf> New Zulu
[07:25] <HollowPoint> lol
[07:25] <Agent_bob> no it's 06:25 zulu no mater what time zone you are in ...     missed another one....;/
[07:26] <HollowPoint> well it actually is 06:25pm here right now lol
[07:27] <tzd> I need to install Java SDK (think that's the correct edition if i want to use if for programming with Netbeans?) and noticed Sun Java is available via repos. Can i just install it via synaptic or will i have to do it in another way please??
[07:27] <Agent_bob> that wouldn't normally have the leading 0  and the trailing pm   either 18:25  or  6:25pm
[07:28] <Agent_bob> tzd yes synaptic
[07:28] <HollowPoint> 06:25pm is perfectly acceptable as you still need two digits on the left side of the :
[07:28] <Agent_bob> for what ?
[07:28] <HollowPoint> for 10, 11 and 12
[07:28] <tzd> Agent_bob: oh nice, thanks! Last time i installed it was on gutsy and i did it manually or something.... can't remember that well but via the repos is a lot easier :) Thanks again!
[07:36] <Agent_bob> HollowPoint that's a little like saying you have to have a thousand digits for any number because some number has that many digits...    check the time formats in kcontrol  (kde3)     hH:MM p      uses the tens digit if needed    but anyway.    i know you are right.    for your locale/work/thought   so    </shrugs>
[07:43]  * HollowPoint agrees he is right :D
[07:43] <HollowPoint> gone quiet in here in the last 20 minutes
[07:44] <Agent_bob> how does this "madwifi" thing supposed to work ?   i have /lib/modules/`uname -r`/madwifi/ath_pci.ko   but i can't seem to modprobe it...
[07:45] <millak> uh, how do I remove a program I installed by compiling it?
[07:45] <Agent_bob> there is no "madwifi" command...   ?
[07:45] <Agent_bob> millak sudo make uninstall    in the build dir ?
[07:45] <Agent_bob> and hope
[07:46] <millak> yeah, that's the one I was looking for, thanks!
[07:47] <Agent_bob> ah shoot it's time to go to work.    see you fellows when you aren't expecting it...
[08:23] <eagles05> !rar
[08:30] <bkbilly> hi
[08:30] <eagles05> hi
[08:32] <EvolElm0> om nom nom.. pork roast for dinner tonight :D
[08:34] <eagles05> !offtopic | EvolElm0
[08:36] <zorglu_> q. i would like to change the desktop shortcut. the one to switch the virtual desktop in particular. where should i look ?
[08:36] <zorglu_> sorry wrong channel
[08:54] <MidgetSpy> Hey guys, how can I simply clear all information off a hard drive? It was used in a freebsd software raid configuration formatted with gpt, and if I try to use parted it just crashes. fdisk claims it can't deal with gpt partitions... I just want to clear the drive and reformat it with ext3
[08:56] <llutz> MidgetSpy: a complete HDD or a partition?
[08:57] <eagles0513875> MidgetSpy: you want to use the whole drive
[08:58] <MidgetSpy> I want to erase everything from the drive and start it from scratch
[08:59] <llutz> MidgetSpy: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX count=1     where X your drive is(a,b,c,d...), should clean the mbr+partition-table
[09:01] <olskolirc> anyone still up
[09:01] <eagles0513875> MidgetSpy: you on the live cd atm
[09:01] <jussi01> olskolirc: its 11 am so, yes, of course
[09:01] <olskolirc> I have a simple question I know you guys know the answer
[09:01] <olskolirc> oh its 4 am here
[09:01] <eagles0513875> 10am ovr here
[09:01] <jussi01> olskolirc: ask!
[09:01] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:01] <olskolirc> i can't load kdm themes
[09:01] <olskolirc> even as administrater
[09:02] <olskolirc> wow eagles0513875 where are you?
[09:02] <eagles0513875> central europe
[09:02] <eagles0513875> !offtopic | olskolirc
[09:02] <olskolirc> I don't have an offtopic do I?
[09:02] <olskolirc> kdm themes?
[09:03] <olskolirc> login themes.  I can't load them
[09:03] <zorglu_> olskolirc: find another alias and counter attack :)
[09:03] <eagles0513875> click on the blue link above to join that channel
[09:03] <zorglu_> let me think :)
[09:03] <zorglu_> !coc | eagles0513875
[09:03] <zorglu_> this one is a good counter attack :)
[09:04] <eagles0513875> ?
[09:04] <eagles0513875> what did i do wrong:(
[09:04] <zorglu_> see it works :)
[09:04] <olskolirc> you was mean to me
[09:04] <olskolirc> and didn't help :-(
[09:04] <eagles0513875> thought jussi01 was helping but ill help you
[09:04] <eagles0513875> olskolirc:are you on a live cd at the moment
[09:05]  * jussi01 is a bit busy here, sorry
[09:05] <olskolirc> lol no
[09:05] <olskolirc> I have Gutsy installed to hard drive
[09:05] <llutz> olskolirc: you have installed package kdmtheme?
[09:05] <olskolirc> yes llutz :-)
[09:06] <eagles0513875> olskolirc: i apologize for being mean not to mention i dont know the resolution to ur problem:(
[09:06] <eagles0513875> olskolirc: my apologies
[09:06] <olskolirc> I can't load my themes in kdetheme
[09:06] <olskolirc> np eagles0513875
[09:07] <olskolirc> I had this problem before but I don't remember how I resolved it
[09:08] <llutz> olskolirc: set USETHEME=true in /etc/default/kdm.d/20_kubuntu_default_settings
[09:08] <HollowPoint> just loads default ugly theme?
[09:08] <HollowPoint> what he said
[09:09] <olskolirc> thanks
[09:09] <olskolirc> ok llutz its already set
[09:09] <olskolirc> that wasn't it
[09:09] <HollowPoint> have you set the theme as well?
[09:10] <olskolirc> everything is already on true
[09:11] <HollowPoint> no I mean have you actually set the theme?
[09:11] <HollowPoint> in the same file
[09:12] <HollowPoint> just below the option USETHEME is an option to set the actual theme it's going to use
[09:12] <olskolirc> kdmthemes won't let me load any
[09:12] <olskolirc> it doesn't show up
[09:12] <HollowPoint> kdmtheme is broken
[09:12] <olskolirc> ohhh i see
[09:12] <HollowPoint> the only reason to install it is to have the files there to edit them manually
[09:16] <olskolirc> I might just go with gdm
[09:17] <HollowPoint> nah kdm loads better
[09:17] <olskolirc> looks better too
[09:21] <eagles0513875> does compiz work on kde 3.5
[09:22] <HollowPoint> yes
[09:22] <fable> hi to all
[09:23] <eagles0513875> hey
[09:24] <eagles0513875> interesting im missing something in my install to where i can setup the desktop effects
[09:24] <fable> i have one big problem! my tray-bar in KDE doesn't work, at startup is empty (no volume, no klipper etc), and when I start Amule or Konversation it doesn't create that icon in the tray bar!
[09:24] <fable> helpme
[09:25] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: what am i missing in my compiz installation i am having issues modifying the settings like the cube settings and what not
[09:25] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: found it nm
[09:26] <eagles0513875> missing the simple ccsm
[09:26] <mathieu_> salut, quelqu'un parle français ici
[09:27] <eagles0513875> !fr | mathieu_
[09:27] <mathieu_> ubottu: bien gentil mais kubuntu-fr n'existe pas
[09:27] <mathieu_> eagles0513875: : bien gentil mais kubuntu-fr n'existe pas
[09:28] <eagles0513875> mathieu_: do you speak english because i have no idea what u said
[09:28] <eagles0513875> *you
[09:28] <FSHero> Hello all, I want to install Windows XP, then Kubuntu Hardy, then Fedora 9 onto my computer.
[09:28] <eagles0513875> FSHero: you sure u have enough hard drive space
[09:28] <FSHero> Reading http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=254400 post #3, it suggests that the author installed Dapper and "chainloads" Edgy.
[09:28] <FSHero> eagles0513875: of course! ;)
[09:28] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:29] <FSHero> So, does that mean that a GRUB menu appears when he boots, which lists Dapper and Edgy, then when he selects Edgy, it just starts booting edgy?
[09:30] <eagles0513875> FSHero: i have no idea i have never done a triple boot before
[09:30] <eagles0513875> i have done duel with xp and kubuntu no problem
[09:30] <FSHero> Or does it pass into another menu, which lists all his Edgy kernels? (The computer will read menu.lst from his Edgy partition?)
[09:30] <eagles0513875> dunno
[09:30] <FSHero> eagles0513875: that is good... I am doing that atm too.
[09:31] <FSHero> The thing I am worried about is: if I install all these distros and they need to add a new kernel to the /boot/grub/menu.lst, will they interfere with each other?
[09:31] <eagles0513875> FSHero: why not just install xp hardy and fedora9 and install hardy and fedora after xp so when installing xp leave alot of free space for the 2 the swap partition
[09:31] <eagles0513875> FSHero: nope i have done it with xp and kubuntu no problem
[09:31] <eagles0513875> im not sure though if anyone has encountered any bugs but i have not
[09:31] <fable>  i have one big problem! my tray-bar in KDE doesn't work, at startup is empty (no volume, no klipper etc), and when I start Amule or Konversation it doesn't create that icon in the tray bar!
[09:32] <FSHero> eagles0513875: I did plan to install XP first. but I don't know in which order I should do K8.04 and F9, and whether or not to manually manage my /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:32] <eagles0513875> !patience | fable
[09:32] <eagles0513875> FSHero: i dont recommend manually managing grub unless u have experience in kernels
[09:32] <fable> eagles0513875: sorry
[09:33] <eagles0513875> FSHero: what will happen once u have xp install then install hardy grub will ovr write the ntbootloader windows needs
[09:33] <eagles0513875> as long as grub is present you will have no issues booting into windows or linux
[09:34] <eagles0513875> regardless of installing 8.04 first or f9 you shouldnt have any issues
[09:34] <eagles0513875> FSHero: with f9 though you kinda playing with fire
[09:34] <eagles0513875> since the stuff on there is all bleeding edge stuff
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> lo all
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> lo eagles0513875
[09:34] <eagles0513875> hey ActionParsnip have i said something wrong
[09:36] <FSHero> eagles0513875: ok, thanks. I don't think I should be splitting so many hairs over this. I shall just install XP then Hardy, then F9. I have a big summer holiday in which to sort out any problems!
[09:36] <FSHero> eagles0513875: Is "bleeding edge" a bad thing?
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: no, man. just saying hi o/
[09:36] <eagles0513875> FSHero: if u want bugs thats what ur goign to get with f9
[09:37] <eagles0513875> * you your
[09:37] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: lol
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> what's f9?
[09:37] <eagles0513875> fable: go ahead and ask ur question action might be able to help ya
[09:37] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: fedora core 9
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: oh, ok cheers
[09:37] <FSHero> eagles0513875: I heard that Fedora is quite a good distro, though? I did want to try many distros in my summer holiday...!
[09:37]  * ActionParsnip grumbles redhat bloatware
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> FSHero: give it a go, you might like it
[09:38] <eagles0513875> FSHero: kubuntu is the best
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> im a fluxbuntu convert :)
[09:38] <fable> eagleagle i have one big problem! my tray-bar in KDE doesn't work, at startup is empty (no volume, no klipper etc), and when I start Amule or Konversation it doesn't create that icon in the tray bar!
[09:38] <eagles0513875> FSHero: kubuntu is light weight u can run machines on a longer cycle before getting a new machine
[09:38] <FSHero> fable: are you running compiz?
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> fable: did you remove the application catcher from the bar?
[09:38] <FSHero> fable: I mean compiz-fusion?
[09:39] <fable> ya
[09:39] <eagles0513875> speaking of compiz fusion im having issues getting the cube working
[09:39] <fable> ActionParsnip: what is the application catcher?
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> fable: when you minimise a program it goes to the bottom bar, their is an applet you must have to show them
[09:40] <fable> i'm running compiz, but is still running from one mounth without problem
[09:41] <fable> the problem is on the traybar, at the startup it don't create neither the volume icon, the icon of the sound
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> fable: when you minimise programs do they vanish? Is that your issue?
[09:41] <tomas1986> hey all im trying to copy files from /tomas/documents/ttd/ to /usr/share/games/openttd/data/ but i cant
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: use sudo cp
[09:41] <fable> ActionParsnip: one problem is that
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: sweet game too bro
[09:41] <tomas1986> ok how do i do that
[09:41] <FSHero> eagles0513875: cool! I just think that some apps (especially Firefox and Thunderbird, which I use frequently) have poor KDE integration -- especially the file save/load boxes
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> fable: check the reply from dhruv_1884 in this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=169255
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: in konsole
[09:41] <eagles0513875> FSHero: i have firefox3 no problems on kde
[09:42] <eagles0513875> FSHero: depending on what repos u have u can get pretty bleeding edge with kubuntu
[09:42] <tomas1986> ok so how do i copy
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: sudo cp /path/to/source /path/to/destination
[09:42] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i cant get the cube to work with compiz fusion
[09:42] <cr4ftyb0n35> Does Kubuntu Hardy come with Compiz by default?
[09:42] <eagles0513875> no
[09:43] <eagles0513875> has to be installed
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: or, you could give your user access to the folder and copy it using nautillus / dolphin / yourmum
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: no idea man, i dont use it
[09:43] <FSHero> fable: I find that on Kubuntu, when I start Compiz fusion, Adept updater comes out of the 'system tray'. Maybe you are having a similar problem?
[09:43] <eagles0513875> bah
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> !compiz | cr4ftyb0n35
[09:44] <FSHero> While I am here... has anyone running GTK/GNOME applications in Kubuntu (KDE) encountered some weird behaviour in the File - Open dialogue boxes?
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: basically you dont have write access to that folder but you will as root
[09:44] <tomas1986> ok i tryed that and umm it did not work
[09:44] <tomas1986> how do i access root
[09:44] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: couldnt he change chown to what hes logged into
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: you could run kdesu konqueror to run the file browser as root
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: or whatever you use
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: indeed :)
[09:44] <tomas1986> i use Ubuntu the normal one lol
[09:45] <tomas1986> sorry if i make this hard
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: in your file browser hit help -> about ..
[09:45] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: lol sry im busting out the knowledge i have been learning in part one of my jr lvl cert from lpi
[09:45] <cr4ftyb0n35> I like few things in Compiz. can anyone tell me if the following are natively supported in KDE? 1)I have "Show/Hide Desktop" when I move my mouse off to a corner. 2) Expose. 3) transparent terminals. I know konsole can be made transparent. But is it true transparency or is it just, oh look your wallpaper in the background?
[09:45] <FSHero> I find that when I type /media/sda5/Documents and Settings... etc (accessing some files on my Windows partition), it just abruptly fills in the "path" box automatically, so that when I am typing at speed, I end up typing garbage.
[09:45] <tomas1986> ok it Nautilus 2.22.2
[09:45] <fable> sorry, my Konversation crash!
[09:46] <cr4ftyb0n35> anyone?
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: kdesu nautilus
[09:46] <FSHero> This is unlike the behaviour in KDE or Windows XP, where you must press the 'right-arrow' to 'auto-complete'.
[09:46] <tomas1986> ok
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: that will run nautilus as root, copy your files then close asap
[09:47] <tomas1986> ok
[09:48] <eagles05> ActionParsnip: im back
[09:48] <eagles05> ActionParsnip: busting out what i learned in my lpi 101 course lol
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> eagles05: yeah i got halfway throught that
[09:48] <tomas1986> ActionParsnip thanks
[09:48] <eagles05> im going all the way
[09:49] <AV1611> Greeting to all! Konqueror crashes, it does that quite a lot....Both 32 & 64, both laptop and Desktop WS.
[09:49] <eagles05> part 1 and 2 for jr level then advanced lvl 201 202 then 301 302
[09:49] <AV1611> It never become better even after the last system upgrade.
[09:49] <tomas1986> have a good one and thanks for the help
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> eagles05: i can probably do it, just costs money I dont currently have :(
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: you got it?
[09:50] <tomas1986> im going to have fun now
[09:50] <cr4ftyb0n35> Can I hide all windows in KDE by moving my mouse to an assigned corner?
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: dude, that is a sweet game :)
[09:50] <eagles05> ActionParsnip: im spoiled lol
[09:50] <tomas1986> yea i had the windows version
[09:50] <eagles05> ActionParsnip: what game
[09:50] <tomas1986> hey if i need help can i ask you
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> eagles05: transport tycoon
[09:50] <tomas1986> and how do you private messagw
[09:50] <eagles05> me wanty lol
[09:50] <fable> ActionParsnip: no, it isnt my problem, i have the taskbar in the bottom panel, the icon of Amsn works, but the all other doesn't work
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> tomas1986: just ask in the room and one of us wll probably reply
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> !ask | tomas1986
[09:50] <tomas1986> down load the game from torrentz.com
[09:51] <tomas1986> ok cool thanks
[09:51] <tomas1986> !ask | ActionParsnip thanks
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> np tomas1986
[09:51] <eagles05> lol
[09:51] <cr4ftyb0n35> tomas1986: Try out OpenTTD
[09:51] <tomas1986> thats what im p;laying
[09:51] <eagles05> !compiz
[09:51] <stdin> ubottu: ping
[09:51] <tomas1986> see ya all
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> i love that game and the music is kicking
[09:51] <stdin> ...
[09:52] <eagles05> ping pong sing a song
[09:52] <eagles05> woot installing openttd
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> eagles05: did you play it forst time round?
[09:53] <eagles05> ActionParsnip: no lol
[09:53] <eagles05> stdin: can you help me with a compiz issue i got
[09:53] <stdin> eagles05: I don't use compiz
[09:53] <eagles05> ok
[09:53] <eagles05> any compiz users in here
[09:53] <HollowPoint> yup
[09:53] <stdin> there's bound to be a few in #compiz-fusion
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> its a transportation of people / goods to supplier to demander. OpenTTD allows you to play it if you have the library files (much like doom3 installer needs the Doom3 files)
[09:54] <eagles05> gotcha
[09:54] <cr4ftyb0n35> Sid Meier and Chris Sawyer rock
[09:54] <cr4ftyb0n35> Pity they didn't write more for linux. Would have been great.
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> cr4ftyb0n35: without a doubt
[09:55] <cr4ftyb0n35> Alpha Centauri.
[09:55] <cr4ftyb0n35> Sim Tower. Such great games
[09:55] <fable> ActionParsnip: sorry, do you have another idea? :)
[09:55] <eagles05> i love all the sim games
[09:55] <eagles05> and all teh civilization games
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> haha Alpha was ace on LAN against CPU. You could rig elections EASILY
[09:55] <eagles05> sid meier's civilization back in the day
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> fable: can you do us a screenshot ?
[09:56] <fable> for the games i love Diablo
[09:56] <cr4ftyb0n35> I love Black and White.
[09:56] <fable> ya, where can i paste it?
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> eagles05: when games were good eh
[09:56] <cr4ftyb0n35> There's a few things if they ever ported to linux, that I'll never use Windows for
[09:56] <cr4ftyb0n35> ActionParsnip: I'd go further back for REALLY great games
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> cr4ftyb0n35: i got bnw2. doesnt run in Linux but its an ok game
[09:56] <eagles05> ActionParsnip: i have all the civs from the first to the 4th
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> cr4ftyb0n35: sid and al's incredible toon machine
[09:57] <cr4ftyb0n35> ActionParsnip: Stuff like Prince of Persia, Alley Cat...old ass games that rock
[09:57] <cr4ftyb0n35> ActionParsnip: Wanted to write a customizable web version of Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego
[09:58] <cr4ftyb0n35> thank the powers that be for stuff like DosBox
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> dosbox is awesome
[09:59] <cr4ftyb0n35> anyone play moagg? That's an AWESOME game
[09:59] <eagles05> yep
[09:59] <eagles05> !offtopic | all
[09:59] <eagles05> lol
[09:59] <cr4ftyb0n35> lol :)
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> i used my windows 3.11 floppys to install it on dosbox, made me laugh so hard
[09:59] <eagles05> lol
[09:59] <eagles05> y
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> fun
[09:59] <eagles05> i love the old nibbles and gorilla game on 3.1
[09:59] <cr4ftyb0n35> 3.11 Dos 5 were probably the best things MS released.
[10:00] <cr4ftyb0n35> most great games were for DOs 5/Dos 6.
[10:00] <eagles0513875> winblows *underlines it like no other*
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> i call it winslows
[10:01] <cr4ftyb0n35> windoze
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> or win-bsod
[10:01] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:01] <eagles0513875> i have vista on my other laptop
[10:01]  * frogonwheels shudders.
[10:01] <eagles0513875> kubuntu doesnt work right on it since the comp is not that old
[10:01] <eagles0513875> have 64bit vista on there
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> oh dear, that was ona box of mine a month (to give it a fair test). Hated it
[10:02] <eagles0513875> and its still slow like a mofo
[10:02] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:02] <eagles0513875> since at some pt in time i have to reinstall windows im goign to try kubuntu before installing windos
[10:02] <millak> umm, what do I have to type in a macro to get it echo me back the parameter the macro was started with?
[10:02] <millak> i.e. typing "./macro foo" would echo "foo"
[10:02] <frogonwheels> millak: !? what language?  you mean shell?
[10:03] <millak> yes, shell
[10:03] <millak> bash .)
[10:03] <frogonwheels> echo $0
[10:03] <frogonwheels> s/macro/shell script/
[10:03] <millak> right, thank you :]
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: id recommed fluxbuntu, its way lighter but you'll need to apt-get a lot. Makes it more customised
[10:03] <frogonwheels> $1
[10:03] <frogonwheels> I mean
[10:03] <millak> hmm, okay
[10:04] <frogonwheels> $0 is the program
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> millak: dont forget the bash script top line
[10:04] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: lol
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> millak: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-10.html
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> millak: should get you started
[10:06] <noiesmo> I can boot into ubuntu but not xp I am getting grub error 23 parsing number >  here's my entry in menu.1st http://paste.ubuntu.com/16365/ and here's output from fdisk -l http://paste.ubuntu.com/16364/
[10:06] <llutz> noiesmo: (hd1,0)  not (sd1,0) grub always calls it hdX
[10:07] <millak> oh yes, thanks... I just needed this one line to test something for now, but I will definately look into things when I have more time
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> noiesmo: change (sd1,0) to (sdb1,0) as far as I can tell
[10:07] <llutz> ActionParsnip: no
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> its an educated guess. I dont really play with grub configs
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> llutz: shine a light dude..:)
[10:08] <llutz> grub uses (hdX,Y) notation which is not related to /dev/sdX or /dev/hdX)
[10:09] <flaccid> how do you send notes to registered users on freenode?
[10:10] <eagles0513875> flaccid: u use compiz
[10:10] <eagles0513875> *you
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> flaccid: you mean like a PM?
[10:10] <flaccid> nah like a note to go in inbox
[10:10] <mattycoze> hey everyone; i was wondering if it's advised to Disable IPv6 to tune/speed up kubuntu?
[10:10] <flaccid> like noteop/noteserv
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> no idea that was achievable
[10:11] <flaccid> hmm maybe its not
[10:11] <noiesmo> llutz, i have tried this if the /dev/sdb1 = (hd1,0) and a few others from the grub edit line at boot if the sdb1 drive is only connected to system the xp boots fine and if I select the drive from bios boot menu
[10:11] <ActionParsnip> im not that knowledgable dude, ask an op
[10:11] <flaccid> ActionParsnip, do you get anything when you /msg noteserv ?
[10:12] <llutz> noiesmo: you'll need to map your hdds in grub for windows i guess. Win always prefers to be on 1st hdd in system (hd0,X)
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> noiesmo: heres some site i found: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/grubconf-for-windows-vista-or-xp-dual-boot/
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> flaccid: just that command on its own..nothing
[10:14] <noiesmo> llutz, yes I know it does and when it was installed it was the only drive in the system i thinks i know what i want to try next cheers
[10:16] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: flaccid u guys wanna know something kool a friend of mine r working on
[10:17] <millak> uuh... what would I need to write in a .desktop file to get it to start konsole and run something in that konsole session?
[10:18] <eagles0513875> brb
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> millak: just make a bash script and put it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[10:19] <millak> hm that would only run when I start kde, right?
[10:21] <millak> I was trying to do a script that I could bind to an icon and which would show me the name of the file I drag into it
[10:22] <llutz> millak: exec='konsole -e cmd'
[10:22] <fable> ActionParsnip: ok,i resolved the trouble, i try to disaable compiz, reboot, and then enable compiz and rebbot, now the traybar is ok, thank you either
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> fable: cool, lotsa issues caused by compiz dude
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> imho its not worth it
[10:23] <lavryc> hi
[10:23] <HollowPoint> compiz doesn't cause that many problems
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> im using luxbuntu to make my system as slick as possible, I dont like eyecandy so much
[10:24] <fable> HollowPoint: the trouble was that, when i disable compiz, the traybar appeared instantanely, then i re-enable comppiz, and all it was ok
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> *fluxbuntu
[10:25] <fable> HollowPoint: it is the first time that compiz doesn't work, it always work perfectly
[10:25] <thisisprateek> konquror BUG: I am unable to return to Original Konqueror after messing its toolbars. Is there any way out!
[10:25] <HollowPoint> tray bar appeared?
[10:26] <thisisprateek> There is no Address Bar anything
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> thisisprateek:  do you mean reset it to standard layout?
[10:26] <HollowPoint> do you mean it DISSAPEARED?
[10:26] <thisisprateek> ActionParsnip: yup
[10:26] <HollowPoint> open up a console and type emerald --replace &
[10:26] <thisisprateek> HollowPoint: no..i just messed it, for fun and now i see only File, Tools, Menu bar and nothing else
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> thisisprateek: http://server01.de-schepper.net:8080/wordpress/2006/11/03/reset-konqueror-profile-in-kubuntu/
[10:27] <HollowPoint> ah right you may have done a rollup, if you double click the title bar it should roll back down
[10:29] <thisisprateek> ActionParsnip: thnx, also i am UNABLE to browse my SSI files in Konqurer, they are "browsable" as HTML in Internet Explorer, but when i click a link, both konquror and Mozzila ask me to download it, after downloading they dont waor!
[10:29] <thisisprateek> work'
[10:29] <fable> HollowPoint: the problem was that my traybar disappeared with compiz at startup, i try to replace original windows decorator, and the traybar appear, then i restart compiz and the traybar works correctly
[10:30] <HollowPoint> what do you mean by traybar?
[10:30] <fable> HollowPoint: for me traybar is where there are the tray icon, right?
[10:31] <HollowPoint> oh ok
[10:31] <HollowPoint> system tray
[10:31] <HollowPoint> that stops working in compiz?
[10:31] <HollowPoint> but then works if you restart compiz?
[10:31] <fable> ya
[10:31] <fable> ya
[10:31] <fable> but only one time, i hope
[10:31] <fable> :)
[10:31] <HollowPoint> now thats a weird problem, I'd suggest uninstalling compiz and re-installing it but I doubt it'll fix the problem
[10:32] <HollowPoint> maybe the compiz forum would be a better place to seek help with that, might be a known bug
[10:32] <fable> no no no.. now it's ok,
[10:32] <HollowPoint> ah ok
[10:32] <HollowPoint> cool
[10:32] <HollowPoint> good
[10:32] <HollowPoint> excellent
[10:32] <HollowPoint> smithers
[10:32] <fable> i'm a mad that i try to reinstall compiz ;)
[10:32] <HollowPoint> lol
[10:32] <fable> smithers? simpson??
[10:33] <HollowPoint> I like Compiz but I only really use it for the rotating desktop cube and the emerald effects, not too fussed about anything else
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: why not just use the keyboard shortcuts to flip between in kwin
[10:33] <simon__> good morning
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> HollowPoint: uses less resources
[10:33] <fable> ya, the cube is fantastic, yesterday I install a beautyfull skydome
[10:34] <HollowPoint> I have plenty of resources to waste lol I just like the cube
[10:34] <simon__> how can I "move" / install the kubuntu-grub to the /boot partition instead of the mbr?
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> i had it all once, got sick of it. here's my old desktop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgFJmSp9VQg
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> makes me sick
[10:35] <HollowPoint> yeah I had all the effects running once myself
[10:35] <HollowPoint> things exploding and burning when I closed them etc
[10:35] <HollowPoint> got bored with it all
[10:35] <HollowPoint> now I just like the cube because it gives me alot of perspective of what I have open
[10:36] <eagles05> im back
[10:36] <eagles05> HollowPoint: i cant get it to work its upsetting me
[10:36] <HollowPoint> can't get what to work mate?
[10:36] <eagles05> the number of desktops in ccsm is stuck at 1
[10:36] <eagles05> compiz cube
[10:37] <HollowPoint> so in the compiz config editor you can't set the number of horizontal or vertical desktops?
[10:37] <HollowPoint> they are stuck at 1
[10:37] <HollowPoint> ?
[10:37] <eagles05> for my comp they r
[10:37] <llutz> simon__: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Installation-under-UNIX      but use "setup (hdX,Y)" to write it to your partition
[10:37] <HollowPoint> what graphics card do you have?
[10:37] <eagles05> ati radeon xpress 200m
[10:38] <eagles05> i have gotten it to work prior to having to reinstall
[10:38] <eagles05> i have direct rendering saying yes
[10:38] <HollowPoint> did you previously have it working in an earlier version of compiz?
[10:38] <eagles05> it was working for me on the rc
[10:38] <eagles05> that i was installing with
[10:39] <HollowPoint> rc of compiz?
[10:39] <eagles05> no of hardy
[10:39] <HollowPoint> oh right
[10:39] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmmm
[10:39] <eagles05> lol
[10:40] <fable> eagles05: where do you set the number of desktops?
[10:40] <HollowPoint> that's definately strange, might be something changed in the way Hardy uses the graphics drivers
[10:40] <eagles05> fable: under general
[10:40] <HollowPoint> ATi drivers have never been great for Linux
[10:40] <eagles05> fable: in ccsm
[10:40] <frybye> Hi - anybody know a flight-sim that works well in hardy??
[10:40] <eagles05> HollowPoint: i am having no problems with direct rendering just with compiz now
[10:40] <fable> eagles05: number of desktops = 1
[10:40] <eagles05> fable: ya can u change it
[10:40] <eagles05> *you
[10:41] <fable> eagles05: no, you must type horizontal virtual size = 4
[10:41] <HollowPoint> you could always do what I do, have one desktop but change the virtual horizontal and vertical sizes
[10:41] <fable> to have the cube
[10:41] <HollowPoint> I have 6 horizontal and 6 vertical with one desktop
[10:41] <eagles05> interesting tried changing that and i cant get the cube working lol
[10:42] <fable> eagles05: i always set this
[10:42] <HollowPoint> you have both desktop cube and rotate cube enabled?
[10:42] <fable> eagles05: does the cube work now?
[10:42] <eagles05> now i cannot turn the cube
[10:42] <eagles05> HollowPoint: ya i do
[10:43] <eagles05> just cannot turn the cube when i hit ctrl + alt + mouse button1
[10:44] <eagles05> what back end r u guys using
[10:44] <eagles05> *are you
[10:44] <fable> in the panel, do u have 4 desktops?
[10:44] <eagles05> no just 2
[10:44] <eagles05> default kubuntu numbebr of desktops
[10:44] <HollowPoint> try alt ctrl and the left arrow
[10:45] <eagles05> nothing
[10:45] <eagles0513875> this is really upsetting me
[10:45] <HollowPoint> I set my desktops to one through both system settings and in compiz, only want one desktop just have 5 virtuals on the cube
[10:46] <fable> set 1 desktops in eveery setting
[10:46] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: what backend u using
[10:46] <fable> then horizontal virtual desktop size = 4
[10:46] <HollowPoint> backend to what?
[10:46] <eagles0513875> compiz
[10:47] <HollowPoint> not sure what you mean mate, just using compiz-fusion, nothing special
[10:47] <eagles0513875> im going to remove and reinstall
[10:47] <HollowPoint> ok
[10:48] <fable> eagles0513875: no
[10:49] <eagles0513875> fable: im purging and reinstalling
[10:49] <fable> eagles0513875: ok
[10:50] <thisisprateek> how to install Firefox on Kubuntu
[10:50] <thisisprateek> how to install Firefox on Kubuntu
[10:50] <thisisprateek> how to install Firefox on Kubuntu
[10:50] <fable> thisisprateek: sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:50] <thisisprateek> thnx
[10:50] <SlimeyPete> thisisprateek: use Adept (in the K menu), or do "sudo apt-get install firefox" in a terminal
[10:50] <HollowPoint> open the Install/Remove software program from the K Menu and then search for firefox
[10:50] <thisisprateek> apt or aptitude
[10:50] <fable> apt
[10:51] <thisisprateek> eoor
[10:51] <thisisprateek> error
[10:52] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: is emerald a must
[10:52] <thisisprateek> firefox has no installation candidates
[10:52] <SlimeyPete> try "mozilla-firefox"
[10:52] <llutz> firefox-2/3
[10:52] <SlimeyPete> ah, yes
[10:52] <HollowPoint> emerald isn't a MUST but it's one of the only reasons I use compiz
[10:53] <frybye> is there likely soon to be a package for f-fox 3 rc1??
[10:53] <HollowPoint> firefox 3 is released
[10:53] <eagles0513875> its beta still
[10:53] <HollowPoint> so no not likely to release an rc1
[10:54] <HollowPoint> I've got the full version installed on my machine lol
[10:54] <fable> eagles0513875: but the other effects of compiz works correctly
[10:54] <fable> ?
[10:54] <eagles0513875> no
[10:54] <eagles0513875> still no cube
[10:54] <eagles0513875> i think i must have borked my sys somewhere
[10:54] <fable> ok, the problem is not cube, but all compiz?
[10:54] <eagles0513875> whats the difference between compiz and fusion
[10:56] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: any ideas after reinstaling y its not working
[10:56]  * eagles0513875 pulls out hard cd
[10:56] <eagles0513875> fable:
[10:56] <theFATMAN> can the effects with compiz be used under Dekorator?
[10:56] <fable> ya
[10:56] <eagles0513875> fable: u think i should reinsatall
[10:57] <HollowPoint> no idea tbh eagles
[10:57] <HollowPoint> you should be able to set the number of vertical and horizontal desktops, then set the button sequence that activates the cube and then use the button sequence
[10:57] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:58] <victor__> hola
[10:58] <eagles0513875> !es | victor__
[10:58] <theFATMAN> HollowPont: and the effects such as fire paint, water, etc.?
[10:58] <fable> eagles0513875: you must enable compiz windows manager
[10:58] <lo0lo> animations theFATMAN
[10:59] <eagles0513875> fable: where do i do that
[10:59] <theFATMAN> lo0lo: sweet
[10:59] <HollowPoint> indeed
[10:59] <fable> eagles0513875: i don't understand if compiz works, but not the cube no, or all compiz doesn't work
[10:59] <HollowPoint> you'll get tired of the fire and water effects quickly
[10:59] <eagles0513875> cube no
[10:59] <fable> eagles0513875: other effect of compiz?
[10:59] <eagles0513875> ?
[11:00] <theFATMAN> HollowPont: yeah, i just use 'em to persuade windows users to come over from the dark side
[11:00] <HollowPoint> lol
[11:00] <theFATMAN> HollowPont: and it works
[11:00] <eagles0513875> im going to do an entier kubuntu reinstall
[11:00] <HollowPoint> ouch eagles
[11:01] <HollowPoint> if you're going to do that you may as well grab the latest iso image and burn a new cd
[11:01] <lo0lo> eagles0513875: that is normaly not nessesary in linux
[11:01] <fable> eagles0513875: have you installa fusion-icon?
[11:01] <eagles0513875> no
[11:01] <theFATMAN> HollowPoint: after switching to kdm, my machine is running a lot better
[11:01] <HollowPoint> yeah thought it would :S
[11:01] <eagles0513875> fable: is that a must
[11:01] <theFATMAN> hella stable
[11:01] <HollowPoint> :D*
[11:01] <fable> eagles0513875: install fusion-icon
[11:01] <theFATMAN> (.)(.)
[11:01] <theFATMAN> jugs
[11:01] <HollowPoint> what's fusion-icon gunna do?
[11:01] <theFATMAN> lol
[11:02] <HollowPoint> he can get into the configuration menus
[11:02] <fable> HollowPoint: it's one manager to enable window manager
[11:02] <HollowPoint> he just can't change anything inside it
[11:02] <eagles0513875> i used the kde one
[11:02] <thisisprateek> i installed firefox..but how to open it
[11:02] <HollowPoint> the kde one?
[11:02] <fable> eagles0513875: kde is not compiz
[11:02] <HollowPoint> K Menu > Internet > Firefox
[11:02] <eagles0513875> under system there is desktop settings
[11:03] <HollowPoint> ooooooooooooooook
[11:03] <lo0lo> thisisprateek: is that a real question?
[11:03] <thisisprateek> lo0lo: yes..i cant find it
[11:03] <HollowPoint> right open adept package manager and type in compiz
[11:03] <fable> eagles0513875: try to install fusion-icon
[11:03] <thisisprateek> lo0lo; not a joke
[11:03] <thisisprateek> its untracable
[11:03] <lo0lo> alt+F2 --> firefox
[11:03] <thisisprateek> Failure
[11:03] <eagles0513875> fable: now what
[11:04] <eagles0513875> my window manager is kwin
[11:04] <thisisprateek> how how how
[11:04] <thisisprateek> suar
[11:04] <fable> eagles0513875: if you have kwin enables, now compiz isn' runnig
[11:04] <HollowPoint> install compizconfig-settings-manager eagles
[11:04] <eagles0513875> fable: its just the cube
[11:04] <fable> eagles0513875: you must change in compiz, instead kwin
[11:05] <eagles0513875> i have ccsm installed already
[11:05] <HollowPoint> and check that compiz-core and compiz-kde are both installed
[11:05] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: they both installed
[11:05] <eagles0513875> let me change my window manager its goign to boot me outa here so ill brb
[11:05] <HollowPoint> ok in that case open a console and type compiz --replace & and tell me what happens
[11:06] <eagles0513875> saying xgl isnt present
[11:06] <fable> eagles0513875: ok, there are two window manager : kwin and compiz, if you would have the cube you should use COMPIZ
[11:06] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:06] <eagles0513875> let me change it
[11:06] <fable> eagles0513875: olè
[11:07] <fable> opsssss, where do he go
[11:07] <HollowPoint> not sure, think he's trying to change his window manager the hard way
[11:07] <fable> hard?
[11:08] <HollowPoint> yeah as in changing configuration files instead of just opening a console and typing compiz --replace &
[11:08] <HollowPoint> he's using a startup script I tihnk
[11:08] <HollowPoint> think*
[11:08] <eagles0513875> im back it still isnt working
[11:08] <HollowPoint> ok open a console
[11:08] <HollowPoint> type compiz --replace &
[11:08] <fable> eagles0513875: what do u do?
[11:09] <copilas13> Hello.
[11:09] <lo0lo> eagles0513875: please paste that in the konsole compiz --replace && emerald --replace and paste the output in a pastbin
[11:09] <eagles0513875> fable: change from kwin to compiz
[11:10] <HollowPoint> how did you do it eagles?
[11:10] <eagles0513875> fusion icon
[11:10] <lo0lo> we can
[11:10] <copilas13> I have a trouble after installing kubuntu, Kde wont start, EE No Devices Found, video card it's an agp via onboard
[11:10] <lo0lo> we can't help you if we dont see the error eagles0513875
[11:10] <fable> eagles0513875: now compiz is enable?
[11:10] <eagles0513875> lo0lo:
[11:10] <eagles0513875> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[11:10] <eagles0513875> Found laptop using ati driver.
[11:10] <eagles0513875> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/kwin
[11:10] <eagles0513875> fable: its working but cube isnt working
[11:10] <HollowPoint> it's not working eagles
[11:10] <HollowPoint> you need to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[11:11] <HollowPoint> xgl isn't running properly
[11:11] <eagles0513875> for the love of god lol
[11:11] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: what do i need to edirt
[11:11] <copilas13> guys, i have a trouble after installing kubuntu, Kde wont start, EE No Devices Found, video card it's an agp via onboard, anyone can help ?
[11:12] <HollowPoint> not sure because it's ATi but it's definately a problem wit XGL
[11:12] <lo0lo> copilas13: lspci | grep -i vga
[11:12] <sklirokarydi> ﻿copilas13 are you greek?
[11:12] <fable> Checking for Xgl: not present. me too, but compiz works correctly
[11:12] <eagles0513875> HollowPoint: i used the Hardware manager and it got the driver in the repo
[11:12] <eagles0513875> its somethign stupid something else something small and simple is missing
[11:13] <lo0lo> eagles0513875: emerald is installed?
[11:13] <copilas13> sklirokarydi: no
[11:13] <HollowPoint> hmmmmmm, not sure why yours works fable but that distinctly said it was falling back to Kwin because it couldn't find xgl
[11:13] <eagles0513875> lo0lo: is that a must
[11:13] <sklirokarydi> ok
[11:13] <HollowPoint> emerald isn't a must no
[11:13] <HollowPoint> you can run Compiz without emerald
[11:14] <HollowPoint> right watching Dr Who
[11:14] <lo0lo> well  aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/kwin means that it cant find a windows manager ...
[11:14] <copilas13> lo0lo: VGA compatibile controller: VIA tehnologies, INC Unichrome PRO IGP
[11:17] <eagles0513875> anyone know how the ati crud works on here
[11:18] <eagles0513875> forget it im doing a total reinstall
[11:58] <odinsbane> How is kde4 going now?
[11:58] <odinsbane> Is it better than 3 yet?
[12:17] <rysiek|pl> hi all
[12:17] <rysiek|pl> guys, I am trying to use ElectricSheep as screensaver in hardy, using compiz
[12:18] <rysiek|pl> thing is, the screensaver window is translucent, and when it's translucent - Electric Sheep does not render. I get a translucent blue plane, that's all
[12:18] <rysiek|pl> is there a way to make compiz make the screensaver window 100% opaque? I have tried turning off all the plugins that might make this window translucent, to no avail
[12:19] <rysiek|pl> any hints?
[12:19] <eagles0513875> hocan any one help me with ati issues and compiz
[12:22] <eagles0513875> !sources
[12:22] <eagles0513875> where is the sources list found lol
[12:25] <eagles0513875> !repos
[12:25] <eagles0513875> anyone around in here
[12:26] <rysiek|pl> eagles0513875: what's the problem
[12:26] <eagles0513875> just tryingto remember where the repos listis ket lol and im drawying a blank
[12:27] <rysiek|pl> eagles0513875: 1. please put some effort into typing, it's not fun to decipher loads of typos
[12:27] <rysiek|pl> eagles0513875: 2. leave "lol" at home ;)
[12:27] <eagles0513875> rysiek|pl: sry ok
[12:28] <eagles0513875> found it
[12:28] <rysiek|pl> eagles0513875: /etc/apt/sources.list -> this is the repo sources file on your system
[12:28] <eagles0513875> ok ty
[12:28] <rysiek|pl> eagles0513875: unless you want to find how such a file should look like in Kubuntu
[12:28] <rysiek|pl> ah, ok :)
[12:29] <ian_> lo..
[12:29] <ian_> just wondering if kubuntu is going to use pulseaudio ?
[12:29] <ian_> I am using 8.04 64bit
[12:29] <rysiek|pl> ian_: you can install it and use it - alng with padevchooser
[12:30] <ian_> I have a 9815 acer laptop and it has 3 speakers but it appears that only the base speaker setup ?
[12:30] <ian_> cool cheers
[12:30] <rysiek|pl> ian_: although for me PA is a bit too moody still; it's a killer at parties, though ;)
[12:30] <ian_> k cheers :)
[12:30] <ian_> thanks.
[12:45] <harolddong> http://www.notmart.org/images/plasmakde41.png what plasma theme is that?
[12:45] <harolddong> it doesn't seem to be any of the ones in the 4.devel packages but its the default in all the 4.1 photos
[12:46] <Schorfi> http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Graphics/4.1_times_more_Prettyness
[12:49] <harolddong> yeah so my question is that going to be the default plasma theme in 4.1 or not?
[12:49] <harolddong> cause the 4.devel packages are just using the older default theme
[12:50] <harolddong> 4.80
[13:05] <steve555> Hello everyone.
[13:05] <Tirion> Hello everyone!
[13:06] <thierry_> hello
[13:07] <steve555> Hi Thierry.
[13:08] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. is www.tigerdirect.com/ down for anyone else?
[13:08] <thierry_> is there someone with dell lattitude d830 with kubuntu 8.04... i've some 3d Desktop effects problems
[13:09] <steve555> Are you trying to use Compiz?
[13:10] <crs> re
[13:10] <thierry_> yes, nvidia proprietary drivers, when i activate 3D desktop, i've poor effect (no floating windows, no cube)
[13:11] <thierry_> direct rendering ok
[13:11] <Dr_willis> You are using kde3 ? not kde4...?
[13:12] <thierry_> kde 3.5.9
[13:12] <Tirion> Can someone explain me how to install fglrx driver on Kubuntu 8.04. I've already used Envy, but driver  do not work correctly. The X-server freeze every 20 minutes and I have to reboot my computer by reset key.
[13:14] <alan> vb n
[13:17] <steve555> thierry,which version of the nvidia-drivers are you using?
[13:18] <thierry_> 169.12
[13:18] <thierry_> nvidia-glx-new
[13:19] <steve555> the latest nvidia-drivers are now 173.14.05 now from the nvidia website.
[13:20] <thierry_> u think i must try it in place of th deb package
[13:22] <thierry_> manualy or with envyng
[13:22] <steve555> Maybe,I think the topic about compiz is has been talked about widely in the kubuntu forums.I personally think you'll have to set certain things using nvidia-xconfig.
[13:23] <Dr_willis> ive never had to twiddle with much to get compiz going .. :) 8800gtsxxx card here
[13:28] <thierry_> thanks
[13:29] <steve555> did you find what you were looking for?
[13:53] <bandit_> не кто не подскажет как включить микрофон? в kmix уже все перебрал, при его включении там микрофон как-бы работает, голос слышен в динамиках, но собеседник его не слышет, и при включении идут сильные помехи в динамики. P.S. все стоит на ноуте
[13:53] <RurouniJones> !ru | bandit_
[13:54] <bandit_> thanks
[13:55] <algyz> !sound | bandit_
[13:55] <PolitikerNEU> Hi everyone - does anybody know how to sync kde4 kontact with evolution without having the one-hour-off-bug (which should be fixed in KDE4 according to bugs.kde.org) (maybe adjusing something with the timezone/daylight-saving-time?)
[13:57] <algyz> I don't have any sound on kdetv 0.8.9. There's sound on xawtv and tvtime. When I'm starting from terminal: http://www.paste.lt/paste/74e66ce7fd57338d9c8e0b7c225127df  (first part). Distro is 8.04
[13:57] <algyz> terminal: http://www.paste.lt/paste/74e66ce7fd57338d9c8e0b7c225127df  (first part).
[14:01] <dru__> !pm
[14:02] <STEVE555> Hi every one.
[14:03] <eagles0513875> hey
[14:03] <eagles0513875> !ask | STEVE555
[14:03] <eagles0513875> whoops :p sry
[14:04] <to> español
[14:04] <to> sp
[14:04] <algyz> !es | to
[14:08] <reese> is glx supported, with the "nv" driver? i'm using nv, and it doesn't load the glx module, in xorg.conf
[14:10] <flaccid> reese, doesn't seem so. Does not support 3D acceleration at all. Xgl will not work well with software emulation, refrain from using this combination. from http://en.opensuse.org/Xgl_Troubleshooting
[14:10] <flaccid> then xgl != glx but i think you can't do either
[14:11] <STEVE555> I wasn't asking a question at that time,I was just saying hello.My first qusetion is this: I have a package called icedtea-gcjwebplugin(version 1.0-0ubuntu6 that is waiting to be upgraded.I have installed it previously,but it upset Adept-Manager,I couldn't get any more updates.After looking at Launch Pad.I followed the instructions to downgrade it to version 5.I wish to know if that package is going to be updated to
[14:11] <STEVE555> version 7,or if the package is goign to be fixed soon.
[14:12] <Pici> STEVE555: Whats wrong with it?
[14:13] <reese> flaccid: i tried using nvidia instead of nv, but it doesn't load usplash. but if I boot from the recovery mode, nvidia works, along with glx
[14:15] <flaccid> reese, best to check logs and work the problem out. obviously this is not normal. your best performance will be with nvidia driver and the things you mentioned don't occurr normally thus why need to check logs
[14:15] <STEVE555> I've just tried to install it,Adept has come up with the following message:There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[14:15] <reese> flaccid: which logs, in particularly, do I have to check?
[14:16] <flaccid> reese, /var/log/Xorg.0.log after started X/kdm
[14:17] <jaakkome> uh, how do I destroy a link I made with ln?
[14:17] <Pici> jaakkome: delete it?
[14:17] <benedito> not speak ingles
[14:17] <eagles0513875> !es | benedito
[14:18] <eagles0513875> benedito: que lingua tu hablas
[14:18] <eagles0513875> http://linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=690&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 bs bs cough cough choke
[14:18] <benedito> brasileiro
[14:18] <jaakkome> heh, doh, thanks :]
[14:18] <eagles0513875> no problem
[14:18] <flaccid> reese, somebody in xorg chan has confirmed no 3d stuff at all with nv driver
[14:19] <eagles0513875> benedito: portugese u looking for
[14:19] <Mr_Pan> !brasileiro|benedito
[14:19] <Mr_Pan> !brasil|benedito
[14:19] <Pici> !br | benedito
[14:19] <Mr_Pan> thanks Pici :d
[14:19] <eagles0513875> Pici: ty
[14:20] <benedito> brasileiro
[14:20] <algyz> !br | benedito
[14:21] <algyz> oobs
[14:22] <reese> flaccid: thank you.. i'll check those logs. the problem is that, with nvidia, it tried to load usplash with not supported resolutions. but usplash is is set to my default resolution, so I have no clue
[14:24] <The_ManU_212> hi
[14:25] <flaccid> reese, shouldn't have anything to do with usplash
[14:26] <flaccid> reese, goto restricted/hardware drivers and enable nvidia then reboot. if the X server doesn't start press ctrl+alt+f1 and login then tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see why it didn't start
[14:26] <flaccid> you can also stop kdm by sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop then you could startx manually for testing if you wanted
[14:26] <The_ManU_212> where are all config files of compiz located, cause i wanted to reset the settings of "windowanimations"
[14:28] <reese> flaccid, where do I find restricted/hardware? in 7.10 it was in system settings, but isn't there anymore
[14:28] <flaccid> reese, easiest way is to install the package restricted-manager-kde then run it with restricted-manager-kde iirc
[14:29] <flaccid> reese, it should be in system settings | advanced but iirc
[14:31] <astromme> Hello. Anyone have any idea when kde 4.1 snapshots (read: beta) are coming to kubuntu?
[14:32] <The_ManU_212> astromme: beacause kde 4 isnt stable under ubuntu but many want to have new featrues so terhe is a version not supported by canancial with kde 4 to test new features
[14:32] <PolitikerNEU> AFIK not before the next version - but kdesvn-build is working most times
[14:34] <Dragonath> hi, where can I change the size of the icons on the taskbar?
[14:35] <algyz> Dragonath:  look into control centre
[14:36] <Dragonath> ok
[14:36] <astromme> @The_ManU_212 erm? All I mean is "provided as is" snapshots like neon for amarok
[14:37] <The_ManU_212> astromme: oh sry, hm dont know
[14:38] <astromme> From http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2008/06/it-didnt-get-any-better.html:
[14:38] <astromme> "Neon KDE nightly packages for Kubuntu are building right now (i.e. heading fast towards publishing)"
[14:38] <astromme> That was yesterday. So I guess I have my answer.
[14:42] <Dragonath> erm, algyz, what do you mean by control centre? if I go into system settings I don't really see a place where I could specifically change the size of the systray icons (which is what I really meant by taskbar icons before)
[14:43] <nox_> i have some accuracy problems with my mouse! I guess it happend when I changed my monitor from 4:3 to 16:9 any ideas?
[14:44] <reese> flaccid: do I have to restart after installing restricted-manager-kde? it says it's provided by jockey-kde, which I installed
[14:45] <flaccid> no restart after installing it. restart after you have run it and selected nvidia restricted driver and it says reboot required
[14:46] <reese> sorry for the dumb question, but how do I run it? restricted-manager-kde doesn't work
[14:47] <STEVE555> Here's an update on my problem,I've just clicked update on Adept-Manager and everything seems fine now,thank you everyone that tried to help me.
[14:50] <reese> flaccid, up (I reckon you didn't see the message)
[14:50] <flaccid> sorry which message
[14:51] <reese> flaccid, how do I run restricted-manager-kde?
 reese, easiest way is to install the package restricted-manager-kde then run it with restricted-manager-kde iirc
[14:52] <reese> running 'restricted-manager-kde iirc' in the command-line? sorry, but don't know what iirc is
[14:55] <TZM> Dragonath: In KDE System Settings click the "Appearance" icon and then go to "Icons"....
[14:57] <Dragonath> TZM: ok, but changing size there (where I can) doesn't seem to have any effect
[14:58] <TZM> Dragonath: Under the "Icons", click the "Advanced" tab... I think that is what you want.
[15:00] <Dragonath> TZM: I am there, but what should I change in order to reduce the size of the systray icons?
[15:04] <TZM> Dragonath: My mistake, I didn't realize it was the system tray icons you wanted to change. I'm not sure how to do that, I would ask in #kde if you haven't all ready.
[15:04] <Dragonath> TZM: alright, thanks
[15:07] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:07] <eagles0513875> howdy yall
[15:07] <eagles0513875> lol
[15:07]  * genii hands BluesKaj a large coffee
[15:08] <eagles0513875> i need one
[15:08] <BluesKaj> hi genii , thanks :)
[15:08] <eagles0513875> i finish work at 5 have linux cert till 9
[15:08]  * genii puts on another pot
[15:10] <BluesKaj> eagles0513875, linux certification for ?
[15:11] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: linux
[15:11] <eagles0513875> what else
[15:11] <eagles0513875> from linux professional institute
[15:12] <BluesKaj> ok , now I understand
[15:12] <eagles0513875> lol
[15:19] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: wish i could admin a server lol
[15:19] <BluesKaj> lol?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> I'm sure you'll learn , eagles0513875
[15:20] <eagles0513875> what i dont have a server to admin
[15:21] <BluesKaj> I'm thinking of installing a home network server, but I need to learn more about it
[15:29] <santiago-ve> eagles0513875: you have a linux box... running (K)ubuntu... you can easily turn it into a nice server
[15:30] <eagles0513875> lol true
[15:30] <eagles0513875> lol
[15:38] <DreadKnight> how can i build-dep for a package using aptitude?
[15:43] <helpy> i want to install kubuntu on puppy linux
[15:43] <helpy> any help please
[15:45] <DreadKnight> helpy: you mean kde? the desktop enviroment, not the distro?
[15:46] <helpy> yes
[15:46] <helpy> isn't kubuntu a distro ?
[15:47] <ubunturos> helpy: Kubuntu *is* a distro. KDE is a desktop environment
[15:47] <DreadKnight> helpy: yes, but your question is rather absurd then
[15:47] <santiago-ve> helpy: kubuntu its a variant of ubuntu... so yes, kubuntu _IS_ a distro
[15:47] <helpy> i am really sorry but i am switching from windows and its giving me nightmares
[15:48] <helpy> what imeant to ask is that i am booting puppy linux of live cd and i want to install kubuntu instead of linux puppy in this system
[15:48] <DreadKnight> helpy: you want to get rid of puppy linux and have kubuntu or just get kde? :-)
[15:48] <genii> So you want to replace puppy linux with kubuntu?
[15:48] <helpy> err!! there is a difference between KDE and kubuntu ?
[15:48] <helpy> yes genii
[15:48] <DreadKnight> helpy: get a kubuntu cd
[15:49] <DreadKnight> helpy: kde is the set of application (desktop enviroment) that you actually get to see and use
[15:49] <Pici> !kde | helpy
[15:49] <helpy> i do have a iso on my system dreadknight
[15:49] <DreadKnight> helpy: burn it up...
[15:49] <helpy> thats the problem, my torrent showed that my iso has been downloaded 100 but i did md5 and it said it doesnt match
[15:50] <helpy> so now i am downloading new one
[15:50] <DreadKnight> helpy: check if it's 8.04 hardy and if it's right for your arhitecture
[15:50] <helpy> i was just wondering if there is a command line in puppy linux that could automatically download kubuntu and install it ?
[15:50] <DreadKnight> helpy: you could buy a cd or order one for free :-)
[15:50] <helpy> it should be fine. i am using ati radeon x1400. laptop is dell insprion 6400
[15:50] <helpy> and wait a week to ship dreadknight ?
[15:51] <DreadKnight> helpy: when you buy you get it fast; the freeone takes even more to ship..
[15:51] <genii> helpy: You can use debbootstrap but it's not for the faint
[15:51] <helpy> whats that genii ?
[15:51] <helpy> DreadKnight i can't afford it.
[15:51] <helpy> and i dont have credit card anyways
[15:52] <DreadKnight> will be cool to have kubuntu/ubuntu on a usb stick soon xD
[15:52] <genii> helpy: It's an ultra minimal install, which then you can set to install over internet
[15:53] <helpy> great. how do i use it genii ?
[15:53] <giacomo> !it
[15:55] <genii> helpy: There is a site here which shows how with encryption for a 7.04 (feisty) install. But you can modify the instructions to ignore the encryption install, change feisty to hardy, and partition manually instead of how he does it. http://www.cs278.org/blog/ubuntu-configuration/feisty-debootstrap-encrypted-install/
[15:56] <helpy> ok let me see genii
[15:57] <genii> helpy: Not for the faint of heart to try :)
[15:58] <helpy> nope, i dont think its gonna work genii
[15:58] <helpy> plus thats now what  want
[15:59] <genii> helpy: Just download a Kubuntu cd image then
[15:59] <helpy> ok
[16:00] <sigma_1234> nixternal: still having trouble with the packages?
[16:06] <to> hola
[16:07] <santiago-ve> to: SUP
[16:07] <santiago-ve> sup*
[16:08] <to> hola
[16:09] <to> alguien habla español
[16:09] <to> ??
[16:09] <santiago-ve> to: if you want to talk in spanish... ytou can try #kubuntu-es
[16:09] <santiago-ve> to: entra en #kubuntu-es
[16:17] <sid> hi
[16:31] <Tophat> how do i add my machine to a windows network?
[16:31] <Tophat> *i meant domain
[16:33] <jhutchins_wk> !samba | Tophat
[16:37] <genii> I'm thinking there may need to be a !smbclient since install of samba makes the machine a server and not a client, which is already builtin
[16:38] <weswh-> i have a 9600 GT graphics card. have been waiting for the nvidia drivers to come out, which they have now...I have Envy, but it doesn't support the driver i need and supposedly doesn't recognize the card
[16:39] <weswh-> is there a way to get Envy updated with this new driver...or, what's my best situation?
[16:40] <genii> Envy is not a part of Ubuntu/Kubuntu and and not officially supported. You might want to try manual driver install
[16:40] <genii> !nvidia
[16:41] <weswh-> when i go into the Hardware Drivers manager...there are no drivers there. I have installed restricted and such
[16:41] <weswh-> but, I see no way to download the nvidia driver, and get it integrated with the management tool
[16:41] <genii> weswh-: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[16:44] <genii> weswh-: http://www.adamspotton.com/node/1      may also be of use
[16:46] <BluesKaj> that damn Envy , should be hacked and broken so i tdoesn't get a chance to break ppl's systems
[16:49] <genii> BluesKaj: Maybe it needs to be a part of *buntu instead :)
[16:49] <sigma_1234> how do i uninstall kde 4.0.3?
[16:50] <genii> sigma_1234: Ubuntu does not have some "rollback" feauture
[16:50] <genii> *feature
[16:51] <sigma_1234> rats i want 4.1 beta 1 but i know its going to conflict
[16:51] <BluesKaj> well genii , that's not a bad idea. Then it could be fixed to 'buntu specs
[17:15] <joe_mid> Hmm my kde4 panel is gone... how do i restart it ?
[17:16] <nosrednaekim> joe_mid: try this " killall plasma && rm .kde4/share/config/plasma* && plasma"
[17:16] <joe_mid> thanks! That worked :)
[17:17] <jussi01> joe_mid: fyi: kde4 support is in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[17:24] <thisisprateek> while installing SecondLife DEB, due to power failure, it was suddenly stopped. Now i am unable to install any package..i get a error
[17:24] <thisisprateek> while installing SecondLife DEB, due to power failure, it was suddenly stopped. Now i am unable to install any package..i get a error
[17:25] <thisisprateek> while installing SecondLife DEB, due to power failure, it was suddenly stopped. Now i am unable to install any package..i get a error
[17:25] <thisisprateek> oops
[17:26] <nosrednaekim> !aptfix
[17:32] <tzd> who handles the repo versions? I was wondering if it's possible to suggest a "fix" for the Firefox3 packet?
[17:33] <alexey> hi) whho can help me ithh 8 04
[17:33] <Daisuke_Ido> !ask | alexey
[17:33] <alexey> ok sorry
[17:34] <alexey> When i try to make a new file in home dir i see an error msg about rights
[17:35] <genii> alexey: The user owns all from  /home/theirname             but they do not own just /home
[17:36] <alexey> ill try
[17:38]  * genii sips his coffee
[17:46] <alexey> hm( i have n acess to my folder /home/myname(
[17:46] <alexey> maybe some bug in rights
[17:47] <Jeshh> hi.. need support on Ubunto installation!
[17:47] <alexey> what kind)
[17:48] <Jeshh> i tried to Install Ubuntu.. Inserted the Installation CD and after sometimes i see the screen all scrambled.. 2 mouse icons.. overlapping images..
[17:48] <genii> alexey: You are on command line?
[17:48] <chev_chelios> Jeshh: what type of graphic card?
[17:49] <Jeshh> its a Via Chipset Mother board (Onboard Graphic)
[17:49] <genii> Gah likely some unichrome
[17:49] <alexey> genii: i try rbc in my foler -> create text file
[17:49] <Jeshh> honestly.. i don't know
[17:50] <chev_chelios> Jeshh: try changing screen resolution
[17:50] <Jeshh> how do i do?
[17:50] <chev_chelios> what was linux command for changing screen resolution?
[17:50] <chev_chelios> Jeshh: just a moment
[17:50] <Jeshh> okay chev_chelios
[17:51] <genii> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg                <-- only resolution
[17:51] <Jeshh> uh oh! where do i use this command
[17:52] <genii> alexey: Lets us say your user name is fred. And his home folder is  /home/fred     so then: sudo chown -R fred:fred /home/fred
[17:53] <genii> Jeshh: do ctrl-alt-f1  to gain console. Then that command. Then:   sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[17:54] <chev_chelios> Jeshh: ctrl+alt and + or -
[17:54] <alexey> genii: i need "udo"
[17:54] <genii> alexey: In the /home/fred/Desktop             directory, this is what appears on your gui desktop.   In just /home/fred  you own the things but do not see them on the desktop of the window manager
[17:55] <Jeshh> okay
[17:55] <genii> alexey: You need a folder called "udo" to get made?
[17:56] <alexey> to install udo
[17:56] <chev_chelios> Jeshh: did it work>?
[17:58] <genii> alexey: Do you have some website describing this appliction of udo?
[17:58] <Jeshh> no chev_chelios.. it still the same
[17:59] <chev_chelios> Jeshh: i am sorry, i cannot think of anything else...
[17:59] <Jeshh> still looks unreadable
[17:59] <Jeshh> its like 2 screens overlapping with horizontal dashes moving diagonally
[18:01] <theFATMAN> is there a guide lline or how to for editing color scheme files?
[18:01] <genii> !info udo
[18:01] <genii> Hmm
[18:04] <theFATMAN> is there a guide line or how to/tutorial  for editing color scheme files?
[18:04] <jaroslav> ahoj
[18:05] <jaroslav> nemá zvás náhodou čeaštinu na kubuntu 7.4?
[18:05] <theFATMAN> !es
[18:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> !pl
[18:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> still not quite there...
[18:06] <theFATMAN> lol
[18:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> !ro
[18:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> nope, back into romance languages there :\
[18:07] <theFATMAN> is there a how to/tutorial  for editing color scheme files?
[18:07] <theFATMAN> !color scheme
[18:07] <theFATMAN> !ktsc
[18:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah-ha!
[18:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> !cz | jaroslav
[18:08] <theFATMAN> ha ha ha
[18:08] <genii> Daisuke_Laptop: I figured you'd find the right country code eventually ;)
[18:09] <theFATMAN> !kcsrc
[18:09] <theFATMAN> dammit
[18:10] <theFATMAN> !KDE color theme
[18:10] <genii> !theme
[18:10] <Pici> !msgthebot
[18:10]  * genii desists
[18:10] <TZM>  /msg ubottu kderc
[18:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> genii: just a matter of tracking the language - some are really obvious...  i don't get that many from cz
[18:11] <theFATMAN> is there a how to/tutorial  for editing color scheme files? anyone know where to look, it's like a mystery
[18:11] <genii> Daisuke_Laptop: I usually try a whois on their url/IP to see what country of origin is
[18:12] <theFATMAN> genii: test my proxy; what country am i in?
[18:12] <theFATMAN> lol
[18:12] <hilfe> abend@all
[18:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> genii: that would have been cheating
[18:12] <hilfe> habe mal ne frage
[18:12] <hilfe> english chat or german?
[18:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> !de | hilfe
[18:13] <theFATMAN> english
[18:13] <hilfe> thx
[18:23] <d> hello
[18:28] <coredumped> k, am using Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3.5.9 not 4.0. Problem is Kaffeine and .rm (real media/realplayer files)...
[18:29] <coredumped> Kaffeine don't play em... misses cook.so then automatically opens a codec installer
[18:30] <coredumped> ... which says "package already installed"
[18:30] <coredumped> I install VLC and play through there, all works
[18:30] <coredumped> If this isn't the place to ask, >>>where is<<< ??
[18:33] <theFATMAN> coredumped: whats up?
[18:33] <coredumped> Kaffeine issue RE .rm files
[18:33] <coredumped> that's whatsup :)
[18:33] <theFATMAN> coredumped: have you enabled the restricted repositories?
[18:34] <theFATMAN> then the codecs?
[18:34] <coredumped> will check, 1 moment please...
[18:34] <theFATMAN> no p
[18:34] <coredumped> Yep, restriced is enabled
[18:35] <coredumped> in fact, main, universe, restricted and multiverse all enabled
[18:35] <theFATMAN> coredumped: did you install the codecs?
[18:35] <coredumped> It came with VLC when I installed that, but Kaffeine still doesn't realise...
[18:36] <coredumped> is there a specific Kaffeine plugin package that I should look for?
[18:36] <millak> hm, is there a way to make knetworkmanager just store the wep-passcode somewhere without kwallet?
[18:36] <theFATMAN> wait, so you have the codecs installed, but its still not playing?
[18:36] <millak> I'd like it to connect at startup without it stopping to ask for the password to open the wallet
[18:36] <theFATMAN> the one file, or anything?
[18:37] <theFATMAN> ! knetworkmanager
[18:37] <millak> dial-ups still exist?
[18:37] <theFATMAN> lol
[18:38] <timboy> ssh stopped working on my my main computer... when I try to connect it says connection refused...
[18:38] <coredumped> theFATMAN >> I have the codecs installed insofaras VLC plays .rm, didn't choose an option to install via Kaffeine, it tried itself but doesn't get there
[18:38] <kenneth_> hi i updated from kde 3 -> 4 on 8.04.. but for some reason still all old kde3 programs are in the menu's.. any way to remove em all by once?
[18:38] <kenneth_> (not sure if this would better first in the kde4 chan)
[18:39] <theFATMAN> coredumped: sudo apt-get remove kaffeine      then        sudo apt-get install kaffeine
[18:39] <theFATMAN> then update
[18:39] <coredumped> I'll give it a look
[18:40] <coredumped> theFATMAN: should I enable either or both of pre-released or unsupported updates in Adept Manager ?
[18:40] <theFATMAN> enable them all
[18:40] <theFATMAN> i did
[18:40] <theFATMAN> i can play anything
[18:41] <theFATMAN> x264 looks crisp
[18:41] <coredumped> Fair enough. Thanks.
[18:41] <theFATMAN> cheers
[18:42] <ScorpKing-Laptop> !w32codecs
[18:43] <Jeshh> need help in Ubuntu installation.. !
[18:43] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Jeshh: explain your problem so someone can help
[18:44] <ScorpKing-Laptop> theFATMAN: you having problems with codecs?
[18:44] <Jeshh> i'm a novice.. got 80GB hdd.. how do i partition this hdd? (id prefer to have 3 partitions, first 20GB balance 2 partitions with 30 gb each
[18:44] <theFATMAN> me, no
[18:44] <theFATMAN> i can play anything
[18:44] <ScorpKing-Laptop> ah ok. me too
[18:44] <theFATMAN> is there a how to/tutorial  for editing color scheme files? anyone know where to look, it's like a mystery
[18:45] <TZM> Jeshh: When you do the Ubuntu installation from the LiveCD, it will give you the option to partition your HD.
[18:45] <theFATMAN> Jeshh: what OS are you using now/
[18:45] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Jeshh: i use 10GB for / ,1GB for swap and the rest for /home
[18:45] <Jeshh> its a blank HDD
[18:46] <theFATMAN> Jeshh: then use the partitioner on the Live CD, mate
[18:46] <Jeshh> what would u advice me to do ScorpKing-Laptop..
[18:46] <ScorpKing-Laptop> theFATMAN: just use kcontrol for changing colors ;)
[18:46] <Jeshh> i don't understand the concept theFATMAN.. i'm a novice
[18:46] <theFATMAN> Jeshh: it'll walk you thru it
[18:46] <theFATMAN> step by step
[18:46] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Jeshh: depends what you want to do. will only ubuntu be installed on that disk?
[18:47] <Jeshh> i'd like to have Ubuntu and later on add windows XP
[18:47] <theFATMAN> ScorpKing-Laptop: yeah, but I need to make a custom theme
[18:48] <theFATMAN> Jeshh: when you partition, make one for XP, just don't allocate it
[18:48] <Jeshh> hmm ok
[18:48] <theFATMAN> Jeshh: when you run the Live CD install, you'll see
[18:49] <theFATMAN> ScorpKing-Laptop:I need to make a custom theme, do you know how to edit kcsrc files?
[18:49] <Jeshh> ok theFATMAN.. i'll have a look at it
[18:49] <ScorpKing-Laptop> theFATMAN: not sure, i'll see if i can find something. brb
[18:50] <theFATMAN> ScorpKing-Laptop: sweet thanks, i can't find diddly on kubuntu's site or kde's
[18:50] <theFATMAN> Jeshh:no p
[18:52] <RurouniJones> Jeshh: Easier to install windows first then install kubuntu after.
[18:52] <RurouniJones> Becaise Kubuntu detects your windows installation and accomodates it. Windows will wipe out the bootloader for your linux install and you have to put it back in.
[18:52] <theFATMAN> yep
[18:53] <Jeshh> oh okay RurouniJones... Its a Test PC.. i'll put Ubuntu first.. learn how to work and then i'll format again and reload xp and then Ubuntu
[18:53] <Jeshh> and since i've already started the formatting on Ubuntu.. don't wanna go stop it
[18:53] <RurouniJones> In that case when the time comes try messing around with manual partitioning rather than letting Kubuntu do the guided - use whole disk thing
[18:53] <RurouniJones> since you won't be able to use that options when you have windows already installed
[18:54] <Jeshh> seems good idea RurouniJones :)
[18:55]  * RurouniJones is wise
[18:55]  * Jeshh smiles
[18:55] <RurouniJones> Also lazy which helps
[18:55]  * ScorpKing-Laptop thinks it's always better to keep /home seperate..
[18:56] <Jeshh> i got a small doubt.. earlier when i tried to boot using Live CD my graphics were all messed up.. i chose the Safe method without graphics then only its proper
[18:56] <Jeshh> do i need to worry whether my Onboard Graphics card is supported or not!?
[18:56] <RurouniJones> What is it?
[18:57] <RurouniJones> Linux is pretty goot with Graphics cards nowadays
[18:57] <theFATMAN> Jeshh: you may need the restricted drivers
[18:57] <Jeshh> oh ok
[18:57] <theFATMAN> which is no p, really unless it's obscure, lol =)
[19:00] <ScorpKing-Laptop> theFATMAN: /usr/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes/ is where the system wide schemes are kept. open one of them and take a look. it's pretty straight forward
[19:00] <timboy> can someone please help me troubleshoot my ssh woes? something else seems to be hogging port 22...
[19:00] <ScorpKing-Laptop> what is the command to lock session from konsole?
[19:01] <theFATMAN> ScorpKing-Laptop: yeah I have em up now, but I need the guide...i only know hex value
[19:01] <ScorpKing-Laptop> theFATMAN: do you have gimp installed?
[19:01] <theFATMAN> ScorpKing-Laptop: yeah
[19:01] <theFATMAN> ScorpKing-Laptop: ................
[19:02] <ScorpKing-Laptop> ok open it and choose a color. it will show you the rgb values
[19:02] <theFATMAN> ScorpKing-Laptop: it cant be that easy, lol
[19:02] <ScorpKing-Laptop> theFATMAN: hehe.. it is ;)
[19:02] <theFATMAN> ScorpKing-Laptop: oh, lol
[19:02] <marcreichelt> hi there
[19:02] <theFATMAN> ScorpKing-Laptop: dude, i have spent almost an hour working on this
[19:02] <theFATMAN> lol
[19:02] <marcreichelt> I've activated Compiz and now I deactivated it because it has some failures
[19:03] <ScorpKing-Laptop> theFATMAN: simple problems have simple soluions :P
[19:03] <marcreichelt> now the Alt-Tab dialog is missing - how can I get it back again?
[19:03] <ScorpKing-Laptop> solutions*
[19:03] <theFATMAN> ScorpKing-Laptop: dude: !@$#%@&!
[19:03] <theFATMAN> lol
[19:03] <josef> Hello guys. I am new to linux and i need some help with somehting. what is the command to lock the sesion in ubuntu
[19:04] <theFATMAN> josef: distro?
[19:04] <master3000> hi@all
[19:04] <ScorpKing-Laptop> theFATMAN: he uses 8.04
[19:04] <master3000> german?
[19:04] <RurouniJones> !de | master3000
[19:04] <theFATMAN> josef: kubuntu?
[19:05] <theFATMAN> josef: these guys got ya, peace
[19:06] <josef> theFATMAN: Sorry i am Ubuntu
[19:06] <josef> theFATMAN:Using Ubuntu
[19:07] <ScorpKing-Laptop> josef: no. i installed kubuntu 8.04 for you :P
[19:09] <josef> theFATMAN: ok it seems i am using kubuntu 8.04
[19:09] <Jeshh> now i got the ubuntu Installed.. restarted the pc.. i see only my CD rom Icon on the screen.. is something wrong in the installation?
[19:09] <ScorpKing-Laptop> josef: haha. i'll see what i can find. do you still use kbluelock for locking the screen?
[19:10] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Jeshh: no that's normal
[19:10] <Jeshh> how do i start working on it? i don't see anything when i remove the CD of the cd drive.
[19:11] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Jeshh: go to the kmenu. it's where you'll find the start menu on xp
[19:12] <fatherdaly> hey does anyone know of a good usenet binary downloader in KDE, is klibido any good?
[19:12] <Jeshh> how do i go to kmenu?
[19:12] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Jeshh: a good start is Help in the kmenu. it will show you how most things work. if you get stuck just ask
[19:13] <RurouniJones> josef: Click on the K icon bottom left
[19:13] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Jeshh: it's in the bottom lefthand corner
[19:13] <RurouniJones> there should be a "Lock session" button near the bottom of the resulting menu
[19:13] <josef> ScorpKing-Laptop: No i found another Program called BlueProximity, but using the commands they give i can only lock the screen with xscreesaver but it won't unlock with the command they give it so i want to try and use the defualt sesion locking but i need the command for that
[19:14] <ScorpKing-Laptop> josef: ah right. i'll look around
[19:14] <josef> RurouniJones: ok done that
[19:14] <RurouniJones> well, clicking on the "Lock session" button will...lock the session
[19:14] <josef> ScorpKing-Laptop: thanks
[19:15] <Jeshh> i don't see any kmenu.. all i see is a wallpaper
[19:15] <josef> RurouniJones: Yes i does, but i need a command i can type into console that will do the same thing
[19:15] <RurouniJones> jeshh, there a panel at the bottom of the screen?
[19:15] <RurouniJones> like the windows system bar
[19:15] <Jeshh> no nothing at the bottom RurouniJones..
[19:15] <RurouniJones> do you know if you got the kde3 or kd4 version?
[19:16] <marcreichelt> hi there
[19:16] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Jeshh: press <ctrl>+<f1>
[19:16] <RurouniJones> josef: what about "dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock"....taken from a page found by google
[19:17] <RurouniJones> or kdesktop_lock --help for a possible command
[19:18] <josef> RurouniJones: lol... thanks a lot, i will read that manual quickly
[19:19] <marcreichelt> I activated and finally deactivated compiz, and now my Alt+Tab dialog does not appear. However the active window changes, but the dialog does not appear. Can somebody help me with this problem?
[19:19] <Jeshh> ctrl + f1 nothing happened
[19:19] <Jeshh> i've downloaded Ubuntu 8.04 i386
[19:19] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Jeshh: do you see a bar at the bottom of the screen?
[19:19] <RurouniJones> ah, Ubuntu.
[19:19] <Jeshh> i don't see any bar ScorpKing-Laptop
[19:20] <RurouniJones> This is the Kubuntu channel. slight difference in window managers. I haven't used the Ubuntu one.
[19:20] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Jeshh: you need a graphics driver
[19:20] <Jeshh> omg.. am exxtremely sorry RurouniJones
[19:21] <RurouniJones> no problems, some people here might still be able to help
[19:21] <RurouniJones> but you might try asking in #ubuntu as well.
[19:21] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Jeshh: press <alt>+<f2> and type in kdesudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:21] <Jeshh> okay let me try that ScorpKing-Laptop
[19:21] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Jeshh: no wait
[19:21] <Jeshh> ok i'll wait
[19:22] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Jeshh: press <alt>+<f2> and type in gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:22] <ScorpKing-Laptop> :D that's for gnome
[19:22] <RurouniJones> (gnome is the ubuntu window manager, KDE is the kubuntu one)
[19:23] <Jeshh> i pressed alt + f2
[19:23] <Jeshh> nothing comes up
[19:23] <RurouniJones> just out of curiosity have you tried moving your mouse to the very top and bottom of the window and see if it scrolls?
[19:23] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Jeshh: ugh.. is this on another box?
[19:24] <Jeshh> let me try that RurouniJones.. give me a minute
[19:24] <karl> would 32 bit kubuntu recognize all 4gb of my ram?
[19:24] <marcreichelt> anybody?
[19:25] <timboy> karl, no
[19:25] <karl> darn
[19:25] <ScorpKing-Laptop> RurouniJones: he needs to add " Driver "vesa" " to xorg.conf from tty1. it looks like he has the openchrome card
[19:25] <karl> is 64 bit stable?
[19:25] <timboy> you can recompile your kernel to use 32-bit with the ability to use more memorty
[19:25] <genii> karl: -generic does not see it, -server kernel of i386 can however.
[19:26] <karl> oh, i can recompile the kernel
[19:26] <karl> that isn't so bad
[19:26] <RurouniJones> 64bit ubuntu is stable.
[19:26] <RurouniJones> There are a few apps that won't run on it though
[19:26] <jorge_> buenas
[19:27] <RurouniJones> ScorpKing-Laptop:
[19:27] <RurouniJones> Riiiight.
[19:27] <RurouniJones> what about an alt+f7 console window? Does that work in ubuntu?
[19:27] <Dragonath> I enabled restricted drivers, now tvtime doesn't work - http://paste.ubuntu.com/16450/
[19:27] <RurouniJones> Jeshh: Try pressing CTRL+ALT+F1
[19:28] <Dragonath> is there a binary driver I should install for my ATI radeon9600 pro?
[19:28] <Jeshh> ok lemme try that RurouniJones
[19:28] <RurouniJones> See if that drops you into a command line prompt
[19:28] <Vermux> how do I c info about a user, for example his group name?
[19:28] <Jeshh> yes it got me to the command prompt RurouniJones
[19:29] <RurouniJones> ok, login with your normal username and password
[19:29] <USMarine> Vermux c?
[19:29] <Jeshh> ok
[19:29] <Vermux> USMarine: see
[19:29] <RurouniJones> _root: Assuming you are running as root then it is inadvisable to do so, especially if you are running programs like IRC :)
[19:29] <trappist> Vermux: id username
[19:29] <Vermux> I want to see information about user
[19:30] <Vermux> trappist: thanks!
[19:30] <Jeshh> did that RurouniJones.. its now waiting for the next command
[19:30] <USMarine> Vermux groups <username>
[19:30] <RurouniJones> Jeshh: When you are logged in do "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[19:30] <RurouniJones> without hte quotes of course
[19:31] <Jeshh> ok let me try taht
[19:31] <ScorpKing-Laptop> RurouniJones: will that work from tty1?
[19:31] <RurouniJones> aaah wait
[19:31] <ScorpKing-Laptop> lol
[19:31] <RurouniJones> good point
[19:31] <Jeshh> ?
[19:31] <RurouniJones> what command line editors are installed in ubuntu?
[19:31] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Jeshh: sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:31] <USMarine> RurouniJones nano
[19:31] <RurouniJones> nano!
[19:32] <USMarine> no, nano, not nano!
[19:32] <RurouniJones> Use nano, don't make the poor boy suffer through VIM :p
[19:32] <genii> hehe
[19:32] <Dragonath> I enabled restricted drivers, now tvtime doesn't work (ati radeon 9600 pro) - error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16450/
[19:32] <RurouniJones> Jeshh: When you are logged in do "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[19:32] <karl> use joe
[19:32] <Vermux> trappist: it shows 3 things. what's the difference between gid and groups?
[19:32] <karl> :
[19:32] <karl> )
[19:32] <trappist> virnik: gid is your primary group.  you can be a member of other groups too.
[19:33] <ScorpKing-Laptop> RurouniJones: hehe.. ok take over. supper is ready. 'Driver "vesa"' needs to go below 'Identifier      "Configured Video Device"'. ;)
[19:33] <Jeshh> RurouniJones.. it opened something like a Text Editor i guess
[19:34] <RurouniJones> Right ScorpKing-Laptop :)
[19:34] <davy> 
[19:34] <RurouniJones> Jeshh: Was that iwth the nano or vim command?
[19:34] <Jeshh> nano
[19:34] <RurouniJones> excellent
[19:34] <Vermux> trappist: ok, so there r 2 default groups whena creating user name: gID and groups?
[19:34] <RurouniJones> ok, use the arrow keys to scroll down and find the 'Identifier      "Configured Video Device" text
[19:35] <Jeshh> okay
[19:36] <Jeshh> was that to me RurouniJones?
[19:36] <RurouniJones> yes
[19:36] <Jeshh> i don't find anything like that
[19:36] <Jeshh> its like an empty Text editor window
[19:36] <Vermux> trappist: so by default the gid and group are set to the same name and number I see
[19:37] <trappist> Vermux: when you create a user, by default a group also gets created just for that user.  every user has a primary group, and every group has a Group ID (GID).  in the output of `id`, what it calls gid is your primary group.  then it lists any other groups you're in.
[19:37] <RurouniJones> erm, ok hit CTRL+x
[19:37] <Jeshh> okay
[19:37] <RurouniJones> that should take you back to the command line
[19:38] <Jeshh> yes am back onto the command line
[19:38] <RurouniJones> ok, type ls /etc/X11/
[19:38] <RurouniJones> you should get a directory listing
[19:38] <Jeshh> ok
[19:38] <RurouniJones> check that there is xorg.conf
[19:39] <Jeshh> ok
[19:39] <steveire> Hi, I want to be able to share photos with my friends (windows users). What do I need to use? nfs? samba? ftp?
[19:39] <USMarine> samba
[19:39] <steveire> It can be as crude as you like
[19:39] <USMarine> ftp would also work, but samba is easier
[19:39] <steveire> USMarine: Have you done it?
[19:39] <RurouniJones> temporarily or permanently?
[19:39] <Jeshh> uh oh
[19:40] <steveire> RurouniJones: Temporarily
[19:40] <USMarine> steveire yes
[19:40] <steveire> What about webdav?
[19:40] <Jeshh> RurouniJones: it says "ls: cannot access /etc/x11/ No such file or directory"
[19:40] <Vermux> trappist: ok thanks. so it give twice the group name if a user is in one group only
[19:40] <USMarine> broken permissions
[19:41] <USMarine> or X not installed
[19:41] <RurouniJones> ok Jeshh: Try sudo ls /etc/X11/
[19:41] <Jeshh> ok
[19:41] <RurouniJones> steveire: For very quick and dirty you can use the kpf applet
[19:41] <steveire> USMarine: OK, can you give me a quick run through of what I need to do? install samba, then what? Do I need to set something up on the windows machines?
[19:41] <RurouniJones> it will setup an extremelly basic webserver that you can point to a directory.
[19:41] <trappist> Vermux: well it lists the primary group, then all groups, so your primary group will generally be listed twice
[19:41] <steveire> RurouniJones: That wouldn't allow the windows users to upload, only download
[19:41] <USMarine> !samba
[19:41] <Jeshh> its the same error RurouniJones
[19:41] <RurouniJones> Ah, didn't realise it had to be both ways
[19:42] <USMarine> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba
[19:42] <RurouniJones> ok Jeshh. It looks like...er, I am not sure :)
[19:42] <steveire> samba looks heavyweight for what I want to do.
[19:42] <Jeshh> no problem mate.. u tried ur best :) thanks
[19:42] <Vermux> trappist: I c, thanks for clarifying
[19:42] <RurouniJones> My advice, download the kubuntu DVD and try again ;)
[19:43] <Jeshh> okay i'll do that RurouniJones :) thanks mate
[19:43] <RurouniJones> at least we know KDE here <G>
[19:43] <Jeshh> see ya bye
[19:44] <steveire> USMarine: It looks like there's a lot to it. I don't want to mount things permanently. can that make it simpler?
[19:44] <RurouniJones> steveire: You want the windows users to be able to transfer files to your machine right?
[19:44] <USMarine> from*
[19:44] <steveire> RurouniJones: And the other way.
[19:45] <steveire> Or, yes, just transfer to and retrieve from.
[19:45] <steveire> Any config that will allow us to easily share the photos without resorting to usb keys.
[19:46] <RurouniJones> Get them to turn on windows sharing and you have to do everything from your end
[19:46] <RurouniJones> they won't be able to push
[19:47] <steveire> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba <<< This says I don't need to install samba if I don't want to install a server. Maybe I don't. Can a windows computer be the server?
[19:47] <steveire> RurouniJones: Does that way require smbfs, or what will I need?
[19:47] <genii> steveire: Yes. Ubuntu/Kubuntu has already the client built in (smbclient).
[19:48] <RurouniJones> you can use konqueror and smb://hostname
[19:48] <RurouniJones> or smb://ip_address
[19:48] <steveire> genii: OK, I'll try it out. Thanks for the help
[19:48] <steveire> I'll try it now with a windows machine I have handy here.
[19:48] <genii> Actully there seems to be some issue with the smb:/ syntax on Dolphin and Konq, but in smb4k it works
[19:49] <genii> I've seen this weirdness a few times now
[19:49] <wittyfiend> hi
[19:49] <steveire> genii: Eh? It's not going to work?
[19:50] <wittyfiend> where can i find in kubuntu the files containing icons?
[19:50] <genii> steveire: If you find that smb://address       does not work in Dolphin or Konqueror, then install smb4k
[19:50] <steveire> genii: Then is it smb4k://ip?
[19:51] <genii> steveire: No, smb4k is an application. Install it from Adept or from apt-get
[19:51] <wittyfiend> where can i find in kubuntu the files containing icons? Where is the icon's folder?
[19:51] <genii> steveire: It's a standalone samba browser for kde
[19:54] <steveire> Thanks guys. smb:// seems to work fine. Is there some way I can allow the same sharing from my laptop for the windows machines?
[19:56] <genii> steveire: For the sharing from linux to windows, you will require install of samba.
[19:57] <steveire> Ok, thanks. I'll look into that another time so.
[20:00] <coax> Hey, i'm having a problem remove a package (there is an error in the post-remove script). Is there a way to get arround that? eg tell the system that the package is not installed thoug it really is.
[20:01] <genii> Use force
[20:01] <trappist> coax: I generally edit the post remove script and either try to fix the problem or comment out the offending line(s), and submit a patch if appropriate
[20:02] <Icelab> good night
[20:02] <coax> trappist: where is these scripts located_
[20:04] <Icelab> somebody knows why the linguage package don't work in firefox 3 beta 5?
[20:04] <trappist> coax: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postrm
[20:04] <sgraham> could be..its...ummmmBETA?
[20:04] <genii> sgraham: Officially RC1 now
[20:05] <Makuseru> How can i find out wheather an mp3 uses ID3v or ID3v2 tags?
[20:05] <coax> Icelab: many plugins doesnt work with ff3-
[20:05] <Icelab> but it's a plug in???
[20:05] <coax> Icelab: FF have changed a lot of things!
[20:06] <Pici> Icelab: What package are you installing for the language pack?
[20:06] <sgraham> I was only guess
[20:06] <sgraham> ing
[20:06] <Icelab> somethings like a local package
[20:07] <sgraham> besides....that is still...not stable..release candidate...but what do i know
[20:07] <Icelab> in kde works in ooo work, bat don't work in firefox anf gimp
[20:07] <sgraham> it should probbaly work..
[20:08] <genii> mozilla-firefox-locale-<countrycode>   is normally what you want
[20:08] <Pici> 2 letter country code
[20:08] <genii> Pici: Yes
[20:09] <Icelab> genij i have do it
[20:09] <genii> Although some showing from apt-cache search seem to have toe countrycode twice also
[20:09] <Icelab> but it do not translate the menu'
[20:09] <genii> toe->then
[20:09] <genii> bah
[20:10] <maduser> how do i change that blue backround everytime i log in?
[20:11] <coax> Icelab: what lang is it? could be that those packages havent been translated
[20:11] <maduser> not the kdm or splash screen this seems to be under it
[20:11] <Icelab> italian
[20:13] <Icelab> i have download the base pakage the firefox paclkage the support package and kde pakage with adept
[20:17] <frybye> hi - how do I navigate to the cdrom drive in a terminal window???
[20:18] <frybye> I hve forgoten the unix command to change drives...its been a while..
[20:18] <cleaton> cd
[20:18] <coax> frybye: cd /media
[20:18] <ScorpKing-Laptop> frybye: cd /media/cdrom0 most likely
[20:19] <coax> Icelab: i dont really understand why the lang is wrong, what is your $LANG and $LC_ALL?
[20:19] <frybye> ScorpKing-Laptop: thanx pal..
[20:19] <ScorpKing-Laptop> you're welcome :)
[20:20] <Icelab> italian
[20:20] <ZeroGravity> Hi!
[20:21] <Dragonath> I enabled restricted drivers, now tvtime doesn't work (ati radeon 9600 pro) - error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16450/
[20:21] <steve555> Hi there everyone.
[20:21] <ScorpKing-Laptop> hiya steve555
[20:21] <coax> Icelab: thats not right, should be something like it_IT.UTF-8
[20:21] <Icelab> sorry coax but i don't understand the "$"
[20:22] <steve555> Hi ScorpKing-Laptop.
[20:22] <Icelab> i don't know
[20:22] <coax> try opening konsole
[20:23] <Icelab> ok i've do it
[20:23] <coax> and type "env | grep LANG" (without the ")
[20:24] <steve555> The $ sign usually means that you're in user mode.
[20:24] <frybye> how to install a deb package in the terminal window..?
[20:24] <Pici> frybye: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[20:24] <ScorpKing-Laptop> frybye: use apt-get or aptitude
[20:24] <lup0> anyone know how to reset the desktop wallpaper setting? I have set the wallpaper through konqueror->actions->Set as background. But now the wallpaper configuration in configure desktop doesn't do anything.
[20:25] <coax> frybye: aptitude install <pkg>
[20:25] <ScorpKing-Laptop> frybye: sudo aptitude install <packagename
[20:25] <Pici> ScorpKing-Laptop, coax: those wont help if you have a .deb
[20:25] <Icelab> LANG=it_IT_UTF-8
[20:26] <steve555> The wallpaper can be changed in system settings.
[20:26] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Pici: installing deb's wit dpkg isn't always the best thing to do
[20:26] <coax> Icelab: ok.. i have absolutely no idear what is can be that is wrong! sorry...
[20:27] <Icelab> ok
[20:27] <Icelab> it is a good idea unistall and reistall firefox 3?
[20:28] <steve555> Why would you want to do that?
[20:29] <Icelab> i don't know
[20:29] <Icelab> it is a try
[20:29] <coax> steve555: to get the italian local to work...
[20:29] <Icelab> yes
[20:30] <ZeroGravity> i've the same problem firefox 3 isn't in italian
[20:30] <Dragonath> I enabled restricted drivers, now tvtime doesn't work (ati radeon 9600 pro) - error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16450/ <-- I really would like to watch telly, what's wrong? :)
[20:30] <steve555> Ah I see,sorry,I thought the question was about changing the wallpaper in Konqueror.
[20:31] <coax> steve555: now that would have been wierd!
[20:31] <Icelab> zerogravity non ci sei riuscito?
[20:31] <ZeroGravity> no
[20:31] <Pici> !it
[20:31] <Icelab> sorry
[20:32] <ZeroGravity> sorry
[20:32] <frybye> the script i have now found with the app cd I have says that the locale is not correct..how can I change it??
[20:33] <frybye> or check it and if necess change it..
[20:33] <steve555> No worries,would installing the local lanquage (i.e Italian) would be using Adept-Manager?
[20:34] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Dragonath: i haven't seen that one yet. have you tried the forums?
[20:34] <frybye> ah ha - it does not appareently say that it is not set but that it is not config with de_DE iso-8859-1 and en_GB iso-8859-1
[20:34] <frybye> how do I do that config??
[20:35] <Dragonath> ScorpKing-Laptop: nope, but this sounds like a good idea, I will
[20:35] <Dragonath> ScorpKing-Laptop: it's just that on 7.10 it worked with the restricted drivers
[20:35] <frybye> ScorpKing-Laptop: I need to activate the both iso***
[20:35] <Dragonath> although there was a huge fuss with installing them
[20:35] <ScorpKing-Laptop> Dragonath: maybe someone there had the same problem ;)
[20:36] <ScorpKing-Laptop> frybye: look in kcontrol
[20:37] <frybye> you mean in the menus the gui.. or as a command in the terminal   kcontrol???
[20:37] <frybye> sorry I just dont have much background knowledge...
[20:37] <frybye> newbie...
[20:37] <Dragonath> ScorpKing-Laptop: thanks, I'll try looking there
[20:37] <coax> frybye: edit /etc/locale.get and use dpkg-reconfigure locales
[20:39] <coax> frybye: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" as root in terminal
[20:40] <frybye> when I do edit /etc/locale.get in the terminal it says I do not have write permisssion
[20:40] <frybye> do I have to put sudo in front of it...?
[20:41] <coax> yes
[20:41] <frybye> tks..
[20:41] <ScorpKing-Laptop> nite guys. have fun
[20:41] <frybye> now it says
[20:41] <frybye> Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/locale.get" -- using "application/*"
[20:41] <frybye> Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"
[20:42] <Cannoli> hiya
[20:42] <Cannoli> is there any software in kubuntu that can resize a ntfs partition without deleting the contents?
[20:42] <frybye> coax: what is this about..
[20:42] <Icelab> coax i solve the problem installing the gnome package as is zerogravity said me
[20:42] <Dragonath> there's no known way of installing the newest ATI drivers on 8.04?
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> Dragonath: envy
[20:43] <frybye> the - the no edit mailcap rules etc???
[20:43] <NickPresta> Cannoli, when dealing with partitions, you should always backup sensitive data, regardless of filesystem
[20:43] <NickPresta> Cannoli, check out gparted (or qtparted)
[20:43] <Icelab> otherways thanks for all
[20:43] <genii> Dragonath: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide
[20:43] <coax> Icelab: nice, gracie!
[20:43] <Cannoli> this drive is just useless stuff, id prefer it not to get deleted but if it does, it wont be that bad
[20:43] <coax> frybye: type nano instead og edit
[20:44] <steve555> frybe, try run command,then kdesu knqueror and navigate to the file you're after.then open the file using kate.See if that works.
[20:44] <steve555> Sorry,konqueror
[20:45] <notebook> german?
[20:46] <coax> frybye: or use "kdesu kate /etc/locales.gen"
[20:46] <coax> !de
[20:46] <Cannoli> !edubuntu
[20:46] <frybye> the command sudo nano /etc/locale.get produces a new file by this name...??
[20:47] <frybye> nothing in there apparently..
[20:47] <Cannoli> would edubuntu be good for young kids, say around the age of 3?
[20:47] <frybye> hang on I will look and see if at different location..
[20:47] <coax> frybye: my spelling were wrong! it\s /etc/locales.gen
[20:48] <frybye> there seems to be no such file  ah ha .. ok thanks..
[20:49] <coax> Cannoli: better than any thing else i think!
[20:49] <Icelab> how can i change the color of the messages??
[20:49] <frybye> coax also no such file for locales.gen
[20:50] <Cannoli> haha coax, i hear that. my baby bro (3 y/o) loves pcs but has no clue wht to do so he just smashes keys and stuff and ends up deleting my desktop icons XD
[20:50] <steve555> Icelab,which messenger are you using?
[20:50] <coax> frybye: sorry, no s in there either...
[20:50] <Icelab> konversation
[20:51] <coax> Cannoli: http://gcompris.net/
[20:52] <steve555> Icelab,it's in settings,configure konversation,colours.
[20:52] <coax> Cannoli: i think you have the ability to lock the "user" inside this program...
[20:53] <Icelab> ok
[20:53] <nainef> hey is it possible to replace or remove dolfin?
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> !dolphin
[20:53] <nainef> thank you!
[20:53] <frybye> coax - the file    locale.gen cannot be found...
[20:55] <coax> frybye: sure? i has to be there!!! on my system > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18 2008-06-02 18:43 /etc/locale.gen
[20:56] <frybye> coax: hmmm... i seem to remember some of this stuff in a xserv.conf or similar???
[20:56] <nainef> wow you guys know everything
[20:56] <nainef> nice
[20:56]  * nainef high fives the channel
[20:58] <coax> frybye: that most likely has notting to do with locales in that sence!
[21:00] <coax> frybye: if it really isnt there then just create it!
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> nainef: the bot does at least :P
[21:00] <frybye> I am using dolphin to look at etc and even with "show hidden files" therre is nothing with locale*anything...?
[21:00] <nainef> lol
[21:00] <frybye> so what needs to go into it...?
[21:01] <Haza> Evening folks. Im having real trouble installing flash player for firefox :(
[21:01] <frybye> something with the de_DE and uk_UK but what format??
[21:01] <steve555> Hi Haza,is it Falsh Player 10?
[21:02] <trappist> frybye: maybe /etc/environment is where you want to be looking
[21:02] <Haza> 9 i think mate
[21:02] <coax> frybye: it contains only one line! mine is currently "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8" the first is the default local and the all other locals to generate.
[21:02] <nosrednaekim> Haza: how are you going about it?
[21:02] <Haza> Well...
[21:02] <steve555> Are you using Adept to install it?
[21:02] <frybye> trappist - there is no etc/environment???
[21:03] <frybye> emacs esound event - not environment
[21:03] <Haza> I installed firefox via Adept. then went about looking for the flash plugin. ive tried to install it via the Adept (lots of different versions of flash there)
[21:03] <Haza> and manually via the website
[21:03] <Haza> download the .rpm
[21:03] <Haza> try to copy the .so to the plugins dir
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> Haza: are you running 64bit?
[21:03] <coax> frybye: what system are you on? kubuntu 8.04??
[21:04] <Haza> I think i probably have 5 different versions of flash installed now :D
[21:04] <frybye> coax: does it make any difference that I am on x64? kubuntu 8.04 yeah...
[21:04] <Haza> Im not riunning 64bit no
[21:04] <nosrednaekim> ok
[21:04] <frybye> coax: I am running 64bit...
[21:04] <ubuntu> join #ravenna
[21:04] <steve555> I think you mainly need the flahplyer non-free,and maybe flash-mozilla-plugin.
[21:05] <coax> frybye: i don\t think that oughta make any difference!
[21:06] <frybye> coax: I will creat a file with the probably right content and see what happens..
[21:06] <Haza> steve555: Can i assume that if i have installed all sorts of version that it may cause conflicts?
[21:06] <Haza> *versions
[21:07] <Haza> steve555: It might also be worth mentioning that flash doesn't work in Konqueror..
[21:07] <steve555> Perhaps,I'm not an expert,but that could be a possibility.
[21:07] <alexey> how to install skype on kubuntu 8 04
[21:08] <coax> frybye: you should just add iso8859-1 at the end.. that should work!
[21:08] <siofwolves> Haza, download the .tar.gz for Linux from http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[21:08] <cleaton> alexej: i think skype has packages on their site?
[21:09] <Haza> steve555: I appreciate your help mate. Im no pro when it comes to *nix and im a little disheartened
[21:09] <Haza> siofwolves: I have that .rpm
[21:09] <siofwolves> then follow the instructions here http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/productinfo/instructions/#
[21:09] <frybye> too late.. lets try with just the stuff similar too you... do I have to reboot...?
[21:09] <Haza> i think it prompted me for the mozilla directory
[21:09] <Haza> mine (as far as i know) is /usr/lib/mozilla correct?
[21:09] <frybye> coax: so now reboot or???
[21:10] <Haza> But i just get a responce along the lines of "choose a valid directory" which is nuts! :)
[21:10] <coax> nope... you should run "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
[21:10] <coax> as root!
[21:11] <steve555> Haza,I think you need to point it to the directory where the plugins folder of your latest firefox,(I can't remember the exact location,but I have fallen into that trap befroe).
[21:11] <coax> frybye: does it work_
[21:11] <siofwolves> Haza, not sure what your's will be you could try /usr/lib/firefox
[21:11] <frybye> says all uptodate...
[21:11] <Haza> steve555: Thats right. the plugins dir is /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[21:11] <Haza> iirc
[21:11] <frybye> and now i try the script again.. hang on...
[21:11] <Haza> Two seconds lads. let me check
[21:12] <frybye> remind me of the command to go to the cdrom in the term ??
[21:12] <nosrednaekim>   ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins is also a valid plugin DIR
[21:12] <frybye> ok i have it..
[21:14] <Haza> libflash-mozplugin.so  libswfdecmozilla.so
[21:14] <Haza> those are the two files i have in my /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins directory
[21:15] <Haza> Im just a little confused why it should be so hard to get these plugins working :)
[21:15] <siofwolves> Haza, try /usr/lib/firefox
[21:15] <Haza> I don't remember having a problem on Ubuntu
[21:15] <Haza> siofwolves: I will give it a try
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu uses the same sytem as kubuntu for firefox plugins
[21:15] <coax> frybye: is it orking_
[21:17] <siofwolves> alexey, did you get to install skype?
[21:19] <frybye> coax: still complaining that i dont have the iso stuff in there.. hang on
[21:19] <coax> frybye: but did you add it to the file?
[21:20] <frybye> the dpkg-reconfig etc etc.. only shows utf-8's for all the languages and not the isos i put in there.. that file just dosent get read..
[21:20] <frybye> it is not the right file there was nver such a file to be found and someplce else all the langauges are found by the reconfig but not in there..
[21:22] <frybye> it says i have to activate the locals de_DE ISO etc etc and I have put that in a locale.gen file but it does nothing...
[21:23] <frybye> coax.. you know the annoying thing...to be quite honest.. this is just a local phone book cd - and there is also an *.exe on it.. and 60cm to my left is a windows pc.. but I did not wanna be beaten by this...
[21:24] <frybye> coax - at some stage i need to get smart and say.. ok I will stick the hing in the other pc and it will install itself.. sad but true..
[21:26] <coax> frybye: dont you have like the yellowpages or something? any way... it's wierd!
[21:27] <coax> frybye: i dont know what else to do...
[21:27] <frybye> the yellow pages cd is only avail for windows.. the white pages is almost installed now on windows..
[21:27] <frybye> nobody uses paper phone books here since 10 years or so .. awefull for the environment and slow slow to use..
[21:28] <coax> frybye: you dont have them online?? and have you tryed in install the windows edition with 'wine'
[21:28] <frybye> why install a windows edition with wine where there is a linux version ...?
[21:29] <frybye> and yes there is an online service but it is not so comprehensive - fast or good .. dosent always find stuff so well...
[21:29] <coax> frybye: most of the time a simple windows app will work better under wine than its badly made windows version... have had the same problem with a worldmap program...
[21:29] <frybye> still the job is done - it is working on the other pc now.. shame in a way that I have to admit it but much less bother...
[21:29] <coax> ups... its baldy mad linux counterpart...
[21:30] <coax> hmm...
[21:31]  * coax be back in a jiffi...
[21:32] <shd_> Hola
[21:35] <alexey> how can my friend on win xp look at my monitor) like remote administrator in win
[21:35] <shd_> hello everyone
[21:35] <trappist> alexey: you'd have to use VNC for that
[21:36] <adz21c> alexey: never tried it but krfb claims to be such an app i believe
[21:36] <steve555> Hi shd_
[21:36] <shd_> team viewer
[21:36] <trappist> it works, but it's a lot slower than the windows RDP thing
[21:36] <shd_> hi steve555
[21:36] <alexey> s i cant)
[21:36] <alexey> thx
[21:36] <shd_> alexey, do you try team viewer
[21:37] <alexey> no
[21:37] <shd_> that's a really good app
[21:37] <alexey> adept?
[21:37] <shd_> no
[21:37] <alexey> wine?
[21:37] <shd_> the name is team viewer
[21:37] <steve555> alexey,do you know your I.P address?
[21:37] <shd_> you have to use wine
[21:37] <alexey> yes)
[21:37] <alexey> of course i know)
[21:38] <shd_> team viewer is a program for windows
[21:38] <shd_> lol
[21:38] <steve555> Sorry,I was just wondering.
[21:38] <alexey> ok) never heared before)
[21:38] <alexey> ill try
[21:38] <shd_> ok
[21:38] <shd_> goof luck
[21:38] <shd_> good*
[21:40] <alexey> first day in ku env)
[21:40] <alexey> so ill try to start it up in wine)
[21:40] <JuJuBee> I feel like an idiot.  How do I copy the contents of /etc/skel into /home/test?
[21:41] <JuJuBee> I tried sudo cp -R /etc/skel/* /home/test, but all I get is MailDir  and none of the hidden files
[21:41] <steve555> It's the same experience for me,(using I.R.C)I have heard about it,but never tried it ubtil now.
[21:41] <alexey> ))
[21:41] <shd_> i am new here
[21:41] <shd_> im from uruguay
[21:41] <shd_> lol
[21:41] <alexey> steve555: what ver of wine i need)
[21:42] <steve555> I'm from Birmingham U.K
[21:42] <alexey> bec the istallation doenst started)
[21:42] <valentin_> hola shd!
[21:42] <shd_> oh really?...greate
[21:42] <valentin_> dede uruguay??
[21:42] <shd_> the country, uruguay
[21:42] <shd_> next to argentina
[21:42] <valentin_> si si yo tambien!
[21:42] <shd_> and brazil
[21:42] <shd_> anda?
[21:42] <shd_> d mas
[21:42] <valentin_> jaja
[21:42] <valentin_> que bueno
[21:42] <valentin_> todo bien?
[21:43] <shd_> jajaja...si
[21:43] <shd_> bien
[21:43] <shd_> y vos?
[21:43] <valentin_> tranqui
[21:43] <valentin_> estoy en españa
[21:43] <shd_> pero sos d uru?
[21:43] <valentin_> vos en montevideo?
[21:43] <valentin_> si claro
[21:43] <shd_> no, de la ciudad de la costa
[21:43] <valentin_> opaaa
[21:43] <shd_> a 40min de montevideo
[21:43] <shd_> jejeje
[21:43] <valentin_> me contaron que hace frio estos dias
[21:43] <valentin_> si si
[21:43] <shd_> paaa
[21:43] <steve555> Wine should be in the repo's(I don't know which repo,but it should be easy to find in Adept).
[21:43] <shd_> si mal
[21:43] <valentin_> yo conozco por ahi
[21:43] <trappist> fellas, this is an English-only channel
[21:44] <valentin_> yo iba  aparque del plata
[21:44] <valentin_> conoces?
[21:44] <shd_> tengo los pies congelados
[21:44] <trappist> take it to #kubuntu-es, please
[21:44] <shd_> por privado hablamos mejor
[21:44] <valentin_> ok
[21:45] <trappist> shd_: please take it to #kubuntu-es, or syre, privado hablamos
[21:45] <trappist> *sure
[21:45] <shd_> trappist, ok sorry
[21:45] <trappist> np, thanks
[21:45] <shd_> ok
[21:51] <JuJuBee> annybody on my cp question...
[21:51] <JuJuBee> How do I copy everything in /etc/skel/ to /home/test/?  I tried cp -R /etc/skel/* /home/test/ but did not get the hidden files.
[21:51] <trappist> JuJuBee: the * wildcard won't catch hidden files
[21:51] <JuJuBee> So how then?
[21:52] <trappist> JuJuBee: the purpose of /etc/skel is to *automatically* be copied to a new user's home directory.  if it's not already there, and it's a new user with no data, I'd just destroy the user and rerun adduser
[21:52] <crs> JuJuBee: do it once again: cp -R /etc/skel/.* /home/test/
[21:53] <crs> trappist: it is easier to just copy files than redoing user. ;-)
[21:53] <trappist> I would use /etc/skel/.??*, so you don't catch . and ..
[21:53] <crs> trappist: you dont need to copy . and .. ;-)
[21:53] <crs> Hehe. ;-)
[21:53] <crs> trappist: they dont really exist. ;-)
[21:53] <trappist> crs: I know, but /etc/skel/.* will catch those
[21:54] <trappist> crs: ls -ld ~/.* | head
[21:54] <crs> It is just symbol for current dir (.) and one up dir (..)
[21:54] <trappist> crs: yes.  I know.  which is why you don't want to copy them.  but the shell wildcard doesn't know that.  so you use .??* so they won't be included.
[21:54] <crs> trappist: so?
[21:55] <crs> trappist: you _can't_ copy them even if wildcard catch it :)
[21:55] <crs> p . ../
[21:55] <crs> cp: omitting directory `.'
[21:56] <crs> u, 'c' is gone ;p
[21:56] <crs> trappist: dont worry about that, you cant copy that. it's not exists ;-)
[22:05] <JuJuBee> crs, that gives me everyting in /etc
[22:08] <crs> JuJuBee: what? ;-)
[22:09] <JuJuBee> sudo cp -R /etc/skel/.* /home/test/  gives me everyting in /etc not just /etc/skel
[22:11] <crs> JuJuBee: impossible
[22:11] <JuJuBee> I beg to differ
[22:11] <crs> ls /etc/skel/.*
[22:11] <crs> /etc/skel/.bash_logout  /etc/skel/.bashrc  /etc/skel/.profile
[22:11] <JuJuBee> I am viewing as we speak
[22:12] <JuJuBee> I get the entire contents of /etc when i do that
[22:12] <genii> Thats because it recurses to .. since it also begins with a dot
[22:12] <trappist> JuJuBee: try /etc/skel/.??*
[22:12] <JuJuBee> better
[22:13] <crs> trappist: what is the difference?
[22:13] <trappist> crs: .??* doesn't catch ..
[22:13] <crs> trappist: it does not here.
[22:13] <crs> .* i mean
[22:14] <crs> which shell are you using?
[22:14] <JuJuBee> bash
[22:14] <crs> ooh, i see
[22:14] <crs> in bash I have got the same
[22:14] <crs> sorry
[22:14] <JuJuBee> np
[22:14] <crs> zsh here, smartest i think :)
[22:14] <JuJuBee> thanks for the assistance
[22:14] <JuJuBee> im used to bash
[22:14] <trappist> *cough* toldyaso *cough*
[22:15] <crs> JuJuBee: sorry for giving you wrong informations, it did works on my box.
[22:15] <JuJuBee> Yippppeeeee, that's what I want
[22:15] <JuJuBee> Thanks to both of you.
[22:16] <icqnumber> i have installed on my ubuntu box kubuntu-desktop, and it has changed my splash screen at start up (ununtu logo with a loading bar) to kubuntu, how can i set up which spalsh screen i want to see?
[22:17] <crs> icqnumber: you are looking for usplash confiuguration...
[22:18] <icqnumber> crs: looks so
[22:19] <icqnumber> crs: uspalsh or ksplash, where is that seted up? in gconf file?
[22:21] <crs> icqnumber: I dont know anything about gconf, sorry. ;/
[22:21] <icqnumber> crs: tell me more about usplash then
[22:21] <crs> icqnumber: do: apt-file show usplash and see what to look for
[22:21] <icqnumber> crs: link to a howto ot something
[22:22] <JuJuBee> BTW, any ideas why I am not able to shut down properly?  When I click on the Turn-OFF->Shutdown, it seems to hang.  I left it for over 30 minutes and it never shut down. Today I did sudo shutdown now from CLI and got the ksplash with progress bar as if it were stuck on 90% during Start UP rather than Shut down.
[22:22] <JuJuBee> Stayed there...
[22:22] <crs> icqnumber: /usr/sbin/update-usplash-theme?
[22:22] <JuJuBee> I seem to have to power off manually (I know, very bad, but won't shut down any other way).
[22:22] <crs> icqnumber: check this one out: /usr/share/doc/usplash/README
[22:22] <JuJuBee> Only started this behavior about a week ago.
[22:24] <steve555> JuJuBee,that sounds like something is hogging the system,(I don't know what it would be).
[22:37] <JuJuBee> steve555 : could it be powerd not starting?
[22:44] <[4K^Javax]> how can I disable vsync on an intel gfx chip?
[22:48] <scrote> everytime i open a dir with dolphin/konqueror.  the window crashes when i drag and drop a file.  why must linux vex me so ?\
[22:51] <linxa> ho
[22:51] <linxa> hi
[22:51] <linxa> do you know if exist lvm on ubuntu?
[22:52] <linxa> hi???
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> yes... you can do lvm on ubuntu
[22:54] <scrote> everytime i open a dir with dolphin/konqueror.  the window crashes when i drag and drop a file.  why must linux vex me so ?
[22:54] <linxa> ok, but, if i use apt-get install lvm, i can't found nothing
[22:55] <Dragnslcr> !lvm
[22:55] <linxa> ok, let me try
[22:58] <[4K^Javax]> how can I disable vsync on an intel gfx chip?
[22:59] <linxa> do you know where can i found source list for kubuntu, the last version
[23:00] <Dragnslcr> linxa- you mean the apt sources.list?
[23:00] <linxa> yes...
[23:01] <ubuntuissweet> test can people see this?
[23:01] <Pici> See what?
[23:02] <ubuntuissweet> yeap- it works (see text)
[23:03] <tahir> hiya
[23:04] <tahir> how can i change whts listed in my boot screen?
[23:04] <dwidmann_laptop> !sources | linxa
[23:04] <dwidmann_laptop> tahir: that's controlled by the /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[23:04] <tahir> ah ty
[23:05] <tahir> is tehre a way i can make xp first on the list without moving around text in the menu.lst
[23:06] <tahir> actually
[23:06] <tahir> nevermind
[23:06] <tahir> i got it
[23:06] <tahir> haha
[23:08] <tahir> !partition
[23:08] <tahir> !gparted
[23:09] <tahir> i love linux
[23:09] <tahir> XD
[23:09] <philsf> is there any hotkey to mark a thread as read in kmail?
[23:11] <dwidmann_laptop> philsf: you might be able to make one, look for something like mark as read in kmails shortcut configuration window
[23:11] <crs> philsf: i dont have one set up by default, but you can do it by yourself. Do you know how?
[23:12] <dwidmann_laptop> tahir: no, not really, you'll have to move the text around I think
[23:12] <crs> dwidmann_laptop: there is a possition like that. I have just found it.
[23:13] <tahir> dwidmann_laptop: yep thts wht i did
[23:13] <crs> philsf: Kmail --> Settings --> Configure Shortcuts --> type 'mark' in search box --> set upa ashortcut you want
[23:13] <tahir> dwidmann_laptop: do you know any way i can change the size of a ntfs partition without loosing the files?
[23:13] <dwidmann_laptop> tahir: I think gparted can do that
[23:14] <dwidmann_laptop> tahir: I'd back up the files anyway though, if I were you.
[23:14] <philsf> dwidmann_laptop: I found the shortcut config, but it's indeed unused by default
[23:14] <philsf> crs: ^^ :)
[23:15] <philsf> thanks
[23:15] <crs> philsf: yes, change it :)
[23:16] <philsf> crs: thanks :)
[23:17] <tahir> !mtab
[23:17] <tahir> where would mtab be located?
[23:18] <genii> You should not mess with mtab unless you have some situation where you have forcibly unmounted something and system still reports it as munted
[23:19] <genii> *mounted
[23:19] <gkffjcs> I'm trying to bind a directory to another using the /etc/rc.local script. When I run the command sudo mount --rbind /olddir /new/dir it works fine, but when I put it in the shell script, I get an error saying permission denied.
[23:19] <genii> mtab is dynamically remade every time you mount/umount something. It's located in /etc
[23:20] <tahir> oh i see
[23:26] <RoshanK> anyone here?
[23:26] <ubuntuissweet> yea
[23:26] <BluesKaj> no
[23:27] <RoshanK> i know this is the kubuntu channel
[23:27] <RoshanK> but i have ubuntu gursy installed with nome
[23:27] <RoshanK> but was wondering if i could install kde as well
[23:27] <BluesKaj> yup
[23:27] <RoshanK> and switch at login window (i think something about session)
[23:27] <genii> Yes. Install kubuntu-desktop
[23:27] <BluesKaj> yup
[23:27] <Simonft1> kubuntu just crashed and now i cannot log in with graphical. nothing shows uo on ctrl alt f7.
[23:28] <RoshanK> so would that affect my ubuntu install in anyway (such as disable gnome or be unable to  run programs such as compiz
[23:28] <RoshanK> ?
[23:28] <RoshanK> sorry
[23:28] <BluesKaj> Simonft1, backto the tty and startx
[23:29] <Simonft1> BluesKaj: i am
[23:30] <bdizzle> hello
[23:30] <Simonft1> hi
[23:30] <BluesKaj> what error , Simonft1 ?
[23:30] <dru> how can i get a specific net setting to stick in the system....madwifi seems to have this tendancy to remove itself
[23:30] <bdizzle> so the Ubuntu forums are down right now, so I'm hoping someone on here will be able to help
[23:30] <Simonft1> BluesKaj: no error, just a flashing underline
[23:30] <BluesKaj> no startx errors?
[23:31] <Simonft1> BluesKaj: if i run startx i get errors.
[23:31] <navetz> how can I check the speed of my internet connection through the command line?
[23:31] <bdizzle> on Kubuntu 8.04, my sound works until the screensaver is used. Then it doesn't work again until after I reboot computer. I've even tried resetting alsa via command line, and that hasn't worked
[23:31] <BluesKaj> ok , if there aren't too many (under 4 lines) post them here
[23:32] <dru> i just have to navigate to the mad* folder and re :make && make install the modprobe it and you know the rest of the regmarole
[23:32] <RoshanK> or use pastebin?
[23:32] <dru> bdizzel terminal: alsamixer?
[23:32] <BluesKaj> if you access the net, Simonft1 .yes
[23:32] <Simonft1> BluesKaj: there are over 4 lines, hold on, im trying something else
[23:32] <Simonft1> BluesKaj: nevermind, i fixed it myself
[23:33] <BluesKaj> cool
[23:33] <bdizzle> oh wow, there is a graphical interface in command line
[23:33] <Simonft1> BluesKaj: i ran sudo dkpg --reconfigure -a
[23:33] <BluesKaj> ahhh
[23:33] <bdizzle> um, alsa mixer says that the master, headphone, and PCM are all at max
[23:33] <bdizzle> well, second thought, here is what it reads
[23:34] <BluesKaj> bdizzle, don't max them, 71% is plenty
[23:34] <bdizzle> Master: 81, Headphone: 70<>70, PCM: 80<>80, Front: 81<>81
[23:34] <bdizzle> on my laptop speakers, it barely works unless they are maxed. Dont' have that problem on the windows side
[23:34] <dru> bdizzel ....just try unmuting your channels ...surroud esp
[23:34] <bdizzle> dru, they are unmuted
[23:34] <Daisuke_Ido> bdizzle: as i told you before, see what's using snd_hda_intel, kill that, and do 'sudo modprobe -r snd_hda_intel && sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel
[23:35] <bdizzle> I tried, remember?
[23:35] <dru> bdizzle: hmmmm
[23:35] <BluesKaj> dru, yeah make sure the ctrls say 00 in the box and not "M"
[23:35] <bdizzle> I'll close out any potential sound things I can find
[23:35] <Daisuke_Ido> including kmix
[23:36] <bdizzle> is there a way to track what is using snd_hda_intel?
[23:36] <bdizzle> amarok, internet, and kmix are all closed
[23:36] <Daisuke_Ido> lsmod
[23:37] <BluesKaj> bdizzle, check kmix , make sure the right switches and inputs are enabled
[23:37] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: he needs to remove and reload the module, this happens constantly on my laptop
[23:37] <[4K^Javax]> how can I disable vsync on an intel gfx chip?
[23:38] <bdizzle> how though?
[23:38] <Daisuke_Ido> but also needs to make sure everything *using* the module is shut down before that can be done
[23:38] <bdizzle> I can't determine which program is supposedly still using the module
[23:38] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, really, ...any idea why ?
[23:38] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: not sure
[23:38] <bdizzle> all of the usual sources (kmix, amarok, firefox) are all closed
[23:39] <Daisuke_Ido> artsd
[23:39] <Daisuke_Ido> amarok, amarokapp, firefox-bin
[23:40] <bdizzle> artsd might have been it, what is that program?
[23:41] <bdizzle> also, I'm not sure if this is a security feature or a bug, but when I boot into Kubuntu, it only loads the Kubuntu partition. It won't mount the other drives unless I enter in my password
[23:43] <gkffjcs> is there an easy to read the contents of a text file into a script?
[23:44] <gkffjcs> sort of like a config file?
[23:45] <ubuntuissweet> any of yall have expierence with fixing ATI radeon X1300 cards and compatability issues? so far, im finding some useful stuff about fixing them- but its either general- or a different version
[23:46] <philsf> pkill puse
[23:46] <philsf> (oops, wrong window)
[23:47]  * nainef hates it when he does that :)
[23:47] <BluesKaj> gkffjcs, I have done with a text file conf.dist and copied the text to a teat file and named it as a *.conf file, and it worked
[23:47] <BluesKaj> gkffjcs, copied to a text file
[23:49] <reese> I'm having problems with the nvidia driver. I have nvidia-glx-installed, but it doesn't accept 'nvidia' as a driver, only 'nv'.
[23:49] <RoshanK> is KDE 4 stable enough right now for me to be able to isntall in ubuntu and run it with gnome as well?
[23:49] <gkffjcs> sorry, I'm missing something. I have a script that I am writing, I would like to have a second text file with configuration data, which is read by the script, how do I do that?
[23:49] <reese> the funny thing is that if I start KDE with nv, than edit xorg.conf and set the driver to 'nvidia' then log out and restart X, nvidia works just fine
[23:50] <Dragnslcr> gkffjcs- depends entirely on the language you're working with. In any case, this probably isn't the right channel to be asking in
[23:50] <Dragnslcr> RoshanK- installing KDE4 shouldn't affect Gnome at all
[23:51] <gkffjcs> yeay, your probably right, is there a place I can go for bash help?
[23:51] <gkffjcs> yeah*
[23:51] <RoshanK> Dragnslcr: would u recommend what this guy is telling me to do or do you recommend something else http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-kde-40-stable-in-ubuntu-gutsy.html
[23:52] <Dragnslcr> gkffjcs- #bash maybe
[23:52] <kdavid> hello
[23:52] <gkffjcs> thanks Dragnslcr
[23:52] <ubuntuissweet> 1) how to tell if i have the 32 bit or 64 bit version?
[23:53] <Dragnslcr> RoshanK- looks about right if you have 7.10. KDE4 is in the main repositories in 8.04
[23:53] <Dragnslcr> ubuntuissweet- uname -a in Konsole should tell you
[23:53] <RoshanK> Dragnslcr: thank you
[23:54] <kdavid> I have a canoscan 8400f scanner and Kubuntu 8.04 are they compatable so far I have never been able to hook up my scanner.. It is fairly new
[23:54] <ubuntuissweet> danka drgnslicer
[23:54] <ubuntuissweet> (thanks)
[23:56] <kdavid> basically it is a cano scanner
[23:56] <kdavid> canon
[23:57] <kdavid> everyone sleeping?
[23:57] <ubuntuissweet> so far exiting posts on ati are useful info, but not helping with my particular card- X1300. has anyone ever dealt with this card that can link sites to me or trouble shoot with me?
[23:57] <ubuntuissweet> *existing